Not able to save with Safari

Eric Weir

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Jun 19, 2013, 3:42:57 PM6/19/13

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Just finishing up setting up a new computer. I am now unable to save TWs running in Safari. TiddlySaver.jar is in the folder with the TWs. No problem on OS X Snow Leopard. Now on Mountain Lion.

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Jeremy Ruston

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Jun 19, 2013, 5:00:16 PM6/19/13

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Hi Eric

I think the issue might be that Java isn't installed by default on Mountain Lion. As far as I can tell, the best way to get it is to install it from Oracle's site:

http://java.com/en/download/index.jsp

Let us know how you get on,

Best wishes

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Eric Weir

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Jun 20, 2013, 10:11:48 AM6/20/13

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On Jun 19, 2013, at 5:00 PM, Jeremy Ruston <jeremy...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I think the issue might be that Java isn't installed by default on Mountain Lion. As far as I can tell, the best way to get it is to install it from Oracle's site:
>
> http://java.com/en/download/index.jsp

Thanks for the link, Jeremy. Java is installed. I quit Safari and restarted. Still not able to save. TiddlySaver.jar is in the folder with the TWs.

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Jeremy Ruston

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Jun 20, 2013, 10:16:31 AM6/20/13

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Hi Eric

Thanks for the link, Jeremy. Java is installed. I quit Safari and restarted. Still not able to save. TiddlySaver.jar is in the folder with the TWs.

Hmm, I'm not sure what to suggest - do other Java applets work for you in Safari? If not, I guess you're looking at some Java configuration issue. If you can run other applets then there might be something we can track down,

Best wishes

Jeremy

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Eric Weir

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Jun 20, 2013, 10:25:22 AM6/20/13

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On Jun 20, 2013, at 10:16 AM, Jeremy Ruston <jeremy...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hmm, I'm not sure what to suggest - do other Java applets work for you in Safari? If not, I guess you're looking at some Java configuration issue. If you can run other applets then there might be something we can track down.

Hmm. Don't have or run any applets that I know of.

Would rebooting resolve it? I'll give it a try.

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Jeremy Ruston

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Jun 20, 2013, 10:43:22 AM6/20/13

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> Hmm, I'm not sure what to suggest - do other Java applets work for you in Safari? If not, I guess you're looking at some Java configuration issue. If you can run other applets then there might be something we can track down.

Hmm. Don't have or run any applets that I know of.

Try this test page:

www.java.com/testjava/

Would rebooting resolve it? I'll give it a try.

Yup, always worth a try.

Best wishes

Jeremy

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Eric Weir

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Jun 20, 2013, 12:04:30 PM6/20/13

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On Jun 20, 2013, at 10:43 AM, Jeremy Ruston <jeremy...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Try this test page:
>
> www.java.com/testjava/

I did all the tests recommended there, including reverting to Java 6, and deactivating it and reinstalling Java 7. Still unable to save.

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Jeremy Ruston

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Jun 20, 2013, 12:16:20 PM6/20/13

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page: > > www.java.com/testjava/ I did all the tests recommended there, including reverting to Java 6, and deactivating it and reinstalling Java 7. Still unable to save.

And what about other Java applets, do they run?

Cheers

Jeremy

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Eric Weir

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Jun 20, 2013, 12:32:37 PM6/20/13

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On Jun 20, 2013, at 12:16 PM, Jeremy Ruston <jeremy...@gmail.com> wrote:

> www.java.com/testjava/ I did all the tests recommended there, including reverting to Java 6, and deactivating it and reinstalling Java 7. Still unable to save.
>
> And what about other Java applets, do they run?

Again, don't know that I have any applets. One indicator of the situation. When you open the page at the link above you're supposed to be able to see your "machine information." I cannot. And did everything the recommended in that case. Still no go.

I'm off to a dental appointment. Maybe the system will have fixed itself when I get back. -;)

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Jeremy Ruston

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Jun 20, 2013, 12:53:06 PM6/20/13

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Again, don't know that I have any applets. One indicator of the situation. When you open the page at the link above you're supposed to be able to see your "machine information." I cannot. And did everything the recommended in that case. Still no go.

Applets are a special type of widget that can be embedded in a webpage. To test whether your browser supports applets you just need to visit a page containing an applet. The test page you tried contains an applet, and from your description the applet is not loading.

Therefore the problem you've got at the moment is that Java isn't working, which is a bigger, broader problem than just TW not working. It's also easier to fix - many people do still run Java for many reasons, and so we can be confident that it can be made to work on your machine.

Doing a bit of googling, something obvious that might be worth checking: check that Safari > Preferences > Security > Enable Java is turned on.

Best wishes

Jeremy

I'm off to a dental appointment. Maybe the system will have fixed itself when I get back. -;)

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Eric Weir

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Jun 24, 2013, 10:24:06 AM6/24/13

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On Jun 20, 2013, at 12:53 PM, Jeremy Ruston <jeremy...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Doing a bit of googling, something obvious that might be worth checking: check that Safari > Preferences > Security > Enable Java is turned on.

Well, I can report progress, but still no prize. Googling I became aware that you have to click on "plugin inactive" that was showing when I went to <http://www.java.com/en/download/testjava.jsp> Now it tells me Java SE 7 Update 25 is running. But I'm still not able to save.

Java is enabled. I've tried restarting Safari and rebooting the system. Still not able to save. The notice of verification of signature and request to run TW does not display.

Might get help with this by further Googling, but perhaps at this point there's something TW folks could suggest.

Thanks,

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Marty McGowan

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Jun 24, 2013, 10:42:24 AM6/24/13

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One more attempt:

I'm having the identical problem with

OS X 10.6.8, Safari 5.19 and the "assurance" from Java that it works.

I've downloaded TW 2.8.1 Beta 1 to the downloads/empty: empty.html, TiddlySaver.jar and cannot open empty.html in Safari, but does in Firefox.

We fix this, or it's on to Markdown and static pages. btw, i'd prefer this TW to "tiddlyspace", where i'm in the martymcgowan, softwarereview, ... spaces

-=+*+ Marty McGowan

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Jun 24, 2013, 6:36:50 PM6/24/13

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I was just coming here to report that the latest update to Safari, as well as update to Firefox - v21 both have eliminated saving. Backing off the version restores saving - Safari and FF are both broken for TW right now -

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Jun 24, 2013, 7:30:33 PM6/24/13

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On Tuesday, June 25, 2013 12:36:50 AM UTC+2, packetlevel wrote:

I was just coming here to report that the latest update to Safari, as well as update to Firefox - v21 both have eliminated saving. Backing off the version restores saving - Safari and FF are both broken for TW right now -
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If you install latest TiddlyFox extension with FF21 it deffinitely saves.

https://github.com/TiddlyWiki/TiddlyFox/raw/master/tiddlyfox.xpi
-m

Eric Weir

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Jun 25, 2013, 4:27:53 PM6/25/13

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On Jun 24, 2013, at 6:36 PM, packetlevel <jsgo...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I was just coming here to report that the latest update to Safari, as well as update to Firefox - v21 both have eliminated saving. Backing off the version restores saving - Safari and FF are both broken for TW right now -

So is this the final verdict, at least for the moment, on saving in Safari?

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Eric Weir

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Jun 27, 2013, 4:29:19 PM6/27/13

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On Jun 25, 2013, at 4:27 PM, Eric Weir <eew...@bellsouth.net> wrote:

> On Jun 24, 2013, at 6:36 PM, packetlevel <jsgo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I was just coming here to report that the latest update to Safari, as well as update to Firefox - v21 both have eliminated saving. Backing off the version restores saving - Safari and FF are both broken for TW right now -
>
> So is this the final verdict, at least for the moment, on saving in Safari?

TiddlyWiki is now unusable to me. Given the lack of response to my requests for help it appears that it's going to remain that way. That disappoints me greatly. TiddlyWiki is an amazing app. Unfortunately, the very things that make it amazing mean that without good documentation and technical support it is impractical for ordinary nonprogrammer users.

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Jun 28, 2013, 2:46:43 AM6/28/13

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I assume you are using a mac so I can't say for any level of certainty, but TW is working fine with Firefox to my knowledge...

I use TW with FF Stable 18 - Nightly 25 with no issues.

Perhaps you would like to give more details about you're firefox setup and issues?

The most common issue with a lot of people and firefox is using an out of date version of tiddlyfox found in the addon depot instead use the one found here:

https://github.com/TiddlyWiki/TiddlyFox

Jeremy Ruston

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Jun 28, 2013, 3:47:10 AM6/28/13

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Hi Eric

Apologies for the late reply. I've installed Java 7 on my Mac and have been trying to debug what's going on. At the moment, I believe that you have uncovered an incompatibility between the new version of Java and TiddlySaver, but further investigation is needed.

As others have pointed out, Firefox+TiddlyFox is the most reliable, future proof way to save changes in TiddlyWiki on desktop and mobile.

Best wishes

Jeremy

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Jun 28, 2013, 4:06:47 AM6/28/13

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Eric - further to the message below, it may be worth trying to go back to Java 7 version 21 as a workaround:

https://groups.google.com/d/topic/tiddlywiki/pYsPQH8LGWU/discussion

Best wishes

Jeremy

Eric Weir

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Jun 28, 2013, 10:20:07 AM6/28/13

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On Jun 28, 2013, at 3:47 AM, Jeremy Ruston <jeremy...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Apologies for the late reply. I've installed Java 7 on my Mac and have been trying to debug what's going on. At the moment, I believe that you have uncovered an incompatibility between the new version of Java and TiddlySaver, but further investigation is needed.

Thanks, Jeremy. The explanation helps.

> As others have pointed out, Firefox+TiddlyFox is the most reliable, future proof way to save changes in TiddlyWiki on desktop and mobile.

Yes, I'll keep that in mind. Perhaps irrational, but I was hoping to be able to stick with Safari.

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