ReIntro and feedback request about news space.

[PMario]

In reply to: http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki/msg/2d2039216c76c818
( a post from "Important Message from Eric" [2])

I started a new topic, because this post will be way to - off topic -
to respond in erics post. It directly mentions something that I made,
which wasn't intended as a joke [5].

On Nov 9, 12:40 am, Yoann Babel <babel.yo...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> and http://news.tiddlyspace.com /??? is that a joke ?? I don't have a
> clue of what this page is about.
Just to be sure. Did you see the "About" [1] page. If yes, the
discription contained, doesn't seem to be good enough. But without any
"constructive" feedback, what's missing, I didn't even have the chance
to make it better.

> Doesn't (at first glance) exactly give you the ideia of a great
> organised active communnity, no ?
Have a look at the intro message [3] and feel free to post here, to
make things better.

> And for the documentation, you give plenty of links ... but the
> question is : how easy are they to find WITHOUT asking on this
> list ????
> idem for the plugins.
> How easy are they to find by themselfs ???
You are right. Documentation, is spread over too many places. IMO this
seems to be a (sometimes frustrating) side effect from TWs "non
linear" nature.

> TW ?
> The mailing list is not too active. No plugins announced for month ...
> Is Eric the only one standing ???
I don't think, that the mailing list is not active. The search term
"intro" [4] uncovers some of my recent posts/plugins

> and what about TW5 ??? no new on this list for so many time ... do I
> have to know the secret link hidden somewhere ?
IMO a lot of conceptual ideas have been integrated into TiddlySpace
but this should be answered by Jeremy.

> not so easy to "do" ;-)
My invitation from above still stands :)

have fun!
mario

[1] http://news.tiddlyspace.com/#About
[2] http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki/browse_thread/thread/25c4cea01c46c170
[3] http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki/browse_thread/thread/3f01fdb3bef18c7b
[4] http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki/search?group=tiddlywiki&q=intro&qt_g=Search+this+group
[5] http://news.tiddlyspace.com/

[Måns]

Hi Mario

> I started a new topic, because this post will be way to - off topic -
> to respond in erics post. It directly mentions something that I made,
> which wasn't intended as a joke [5].

I think it was a brilliant idea and I'm trying to feature it on a
danish version of tiddlyspace here:
http://tiddlyspace.gir.dk

My hope is that danish linux and open source communities will use
tiddlyspace.dk (or similar) as the framework for communication and
development...

I still have to do a lot of pr-work - I'm trying to indtroduce both
TiddlyWiki and TiddlySpace to danish users via blogs, in a magazine
(Fri-IT), videopodcasts (kanaltux.dk) and on groups G+ and linux-
abc.dk, where I have written a bunch of tutorials...

My latest writeup (work in progress)(for Fri-IT) is made on a
triptychtheme clone: http://fri-it-tiddlyspace.gir.dk ...

I'm trying to make my (danish)version of TiddlySpace easier to
navigate/more accesible by creating "tscans" à la @translations in
spaces for "plugins", "apps", "tips" etc - which can be found directly
via the tiddlyspace frontpage.... - there's still a lot of work to
do ...

I think it's crucial to have a lot of active users and they don't
neccesarily have to have the same agenda for using the service IF
things like your News Space is going to be effective...

Your @News Space - and your @Groupie idea and Jon's Caspian-ii Space
are perfect starting points for creating a new type of collaborative/
social spaceinteraction, where "tweets"/microblogging can turn out to
be fullblown projects with a lot of material interwoven/shared between
an indefinite number of participants - macrocontent could be hte
result ;-)

However we NEED some more users - not "just" great programmers working
"behind the scenes"... !!!

> You are right. Documentation, is spread over too many places. IMO this
> seems to be a (sometimes frustrating) side effect from TWs "non
> linear" nature.

TiddlySpace helps a lot - and I think it might help even more if
contributors like Yoann and Wolfgang would port their work to
TiddlySpace.
I think they would LOVE to see other users interact with their
creations - TiddlySpace is a great "TiddlyPlace" to do that :-)

> I don't think, that the mailing list is not active. The search term "intro" [4] uncovers some of my recent posts/plugins

Mario - your and Tobias' contributions to the TiddlyWikiVerse these
past two years has been FANTASTIC and not just "kept things alive" - I
have really enjoyed following your progres and using your
contributions - both CSS and plugins.
I admire the fact that you both did the "jump" to TiddlySpace and
contributed to make it into what it is now: a plethora of many, many
possible combinations of themes and plugins.
To me, you (Tobias, Jon, Fnd and Eric) stand out as the ones who has
shown us all that nothing is impossible - and new things can happen -
if you'r a dilligent, innovative and openminded craftsman...
Thanks for all of your GREAT work - and please don't let hard times or
ignorance kill the spirit!!!
It's not always pleasant to be the pioneer who enters unchartered land
- however I hope you'll get paid too - in one way or another - because
your work has been invaluable for TW, this community and
TiddlySpace... - no "amateur hour" at all - but a playground for
geniusses like yourself!!
The idea of "selling" TW better and to a broader audience might be
someone elses "playground" - and we all have an interest in getting
the message out - however there is no reason why things can't happen
at the same time - and I think TiddlySpace is a huge step forward in
that direction...

I'm an amateur - both as a TW-user and as a salesman, however I
introduce all my students, their parents and my collegues to TW
(almost) every time I communicate with them.
I write articles and tutorials and discuss TW with (almost) every
individual I encounter on groups anywhere - either as a container for
information we share or as a possible solution for almost any kind of
informational problem they encounter... I think I say, or write
"TiddlyWiki" or "http://sth.tiddlyspace.com - or gir.dk" at least 10
times pr day - I guess that is what I can do....

Please keep up the good work - and the spirit :-)

Cheers Måns Mårtensson

>
> IMO a lot of conceptual ideas have been integrated into TiddlySpace
> but this should be answered by Jeremy.
>
> > not so easy to "do" ;-)
>
> My invitation from above still stands :)
>
> have fun!
> mario
>
> [1]http://news.tiddlyspace.com/#About

> [2]http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki/browse_thread/thread/25c4ce...
> [3]http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki/browse_thread/thread/3f01fd...
> [4]http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki/search?group=tiddlywiki&q=i...
> [5]http://news.tiddlyspace.com/

[Julio]

Hello Mans and all,

Had there been a +1 button I would have given you one.
My same sentiments indeed.
Without the generosity and constant efforts of this community I would
have lost interest a looong time ago.
Just my 2 cents.
**Well, back to listening... :)**

Best regards,

Julio

> "TiddlyWiki" or "http://sth.tiddlyspace.com- or gir.dk" at least 10

> times pr day -  I guess that is what I can do....
>
> Please keep up the good work - and the spirit :-)
>
> Cheers Måns Mårtensson
>
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> > IMO a lot of conceptual ideas have been integrated into TiddlySpace
> > but this should be answered by Jeremy.
>
> > > not so easy to "do" ;-)
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> > My invitation from above still stands :)
>
> > have fun!
> > mario
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> > [1]http://news.tiddlyspace.com/#About
> > [2]http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki/browse_thread/thread/25c4ce...
> > [3]http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki/browse_thread/thread/3f01fd...
> > [4]http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki/search?group=tiddlywiki&q=i...

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