BAHA'I SPY RING WITH ISRAEL BUSTED
Baha'i Spy Ring Busted!
SPY RING BUSTED? - Bahai trustees accused of embezzling funds
NAZIYA Alvi
New Delhi
IN A complaint filed in a city court, a few trustees of the National
Spiritual Assembly of Bahais of India have been accused of espionage by
their colleagues. Apparently, they were supplying classified documents
from India's defence establishments to Israeli and Iranian spying
agencies and making huge amounts in foreign currency.
Taking cognisance of the complaint, the additional chief metropolitan
magistrate, Kamini Lau, has directed the Economic Offence Wing Cell to
immediately register a case against the accused persons. The court has
also asked the cell to file a status report with it by August 10.
As per the allegations in the complaint, one of the accused, N.K.
Bhudhiraja, general manager of finance with the spiritual organisation,
forged an identity card and af fixed his photograph on an armed forces
concessions form for fee baggage allowance, which is needed for
military officials travelling to places in India and abroad.
Apparently, he also used to travel under the fictitious name of
'Captain S. Budhiraja' of the air force station at Yelahanka.
Apparently, the accused, by using such impersonations and forgery
managed to clandestinely penetrate into the prohibited defence
establishment of the country and get hold of classified documents. In
turn, he supplied the sensitive documents to spying agencies in Israel
and Iran in return of foreign currency.
The complaint has also alleged that the stamp of the air force station
at Yelahanka had been forged with some amount of accuracy and was being
used by the accused trustees of the 'spiritual assembly'.
The complaint also alleges that another accused, Payam Shoghi, also a
trustee with the society, is in truth an Iranian national. He
fraudulently got his name inserted in the ration card of another
accused and also got it attested.
On the basis of the ration card he managed to procure an Indian
passport. The complaint also states that such passports have been
issued to a number of other foreigners by the accused people through a
similar fashion of forgery.
The counsel of three complainants Swadesh Kumar, Khub Singh and Gulshan
Kumar told the court that they have definitive documentary evidence to
prove that the accused were, in addition to the other violations,
involved in a large scale Hawala transaction network.
AyahuascaGnostic
say for yourselves now, eh?
W
refugeed...@yahoo.co.in
AyahuascaGnostic
W
AyahuascaGnostic
the Hindustan Times (which is online), this story has been running in
newspapers throughout India for the past two and a half weeks, together
with photographs and profiles of the accused. Major dailies in Mumbai,
New Delhi and Calcutta -- as well as other regional newspapers -- have
run it. It would seem the Indian government's longstanding tenuous
relationship with the baha'i organization has now come full circle.
W
Kent Johnson
page in, and none of the principle's names appear in any other news item
from any GoogleNews - searched news source.
--Kent
<refugeed...@yahoo.co.in> wrote in message
news:1153135608....@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
AyahuascaGnostic
The news item is from the Hindustani Times, and it has also been
reported elsewhere in India. You are welcome to write the editor of the
newspaper and broach the subject yourself. As for whether the names
appear or not on GoogleNews, so what? Write the New Delhi courts where
the cases are pending.
Your organization has been caught red handed!
W
AyahuascaGnostic
because it has its own page. What excuse will the baha'i cultist
apologists think of next in extracting their chestnuts out of the fire.
A criminal organization has been finally unmasked!
W
AyahuascaGnostic
investigative journalist), on google:
http://www.hvk.org/articles/0106/18.html
http://147.208.132.202/2006/Jul/08/181_1738212,001302300000.htm
http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_1585652,0008.htm
http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_1585652,0008.htm
http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_1584727,000600010001.htm
3 more pages came up.
Apparently this NAZIYA Alvi is an investigative journalist whose
journalism is precisely on such issues.
W
Baha'i Spy Ring Busted!
his page. The date of the article is July 7th. The article is
absolutely genuine and from the Hindustani Times:
http://www.bahaisonline.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=365&Itemid=2
What other excuses can you corrupt fascist cultist bastards come up
with?
W
Matt Menge
Baha'i Spy Ring Busted! wrote:
The original posting indicates July 14th. Steve Marhsall's article
indicates July 13th. Now you are saying July 7th.
Matt Menge
I guess you can't read back issues unless you've subscribed to the
newspaper. It isn't really worth it to me.
Matt
Matt Menge
Matt Menge wrote:
> Matt Menge wrote:
> > Baha'i Spy Ring Busted! wrote:
> > > Even a jackass like Steve Marshall has the original e-article linked to
> > > his page. The date of the article is July 7th. The article is
> > > absolutely genuine and from the Hindustani Times:
> > > http://www.bahaisonline.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=365&Itemid=2
> > >
> > > What other excuses can you corrupt fascist cultist bastards come up
> > > with?
> > >
> > > W
http://epaper.hindustantimes.com/Default.aspx?selpg=1327
Actually, you can still get the July 13th edition. I couldn't find it.
Maybe someone else saw it.
Matt
Matt Menge
Matt Menge wrote:
> Matt Menge wrote:
> > Baha'i Spy Ring Busted! wrote:
> > > Even a jackass like Steve Marshall has the original e-article linked to
> > > his page. The date of the article is July 7th. The article is
> > > absolutely genuine and from the Hindustani Times:
> > > http://www.bahaisonline.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=365&Itemid=2
> > >
> > > What other excuses can you corrupt fascist cultist bastards come up
> > > with?
> > >
> > > W
> >
> > The original posting indicates July 14th. Steve Marhsall's article
> > indicates July 13th. Now you are saying July 7th.
>
I checked on July 15th as well.
Matt Menge
Ok, its on page 6 of the July 14th edition. Please get your facts
straight.
AyahuascaGnostic
Matt Menge wrote:
> Ok, its on page 6 of the July 14th edition. Please get your facts
> straight.
You, cultist, are telling me to get MY facts straight after this?? L O
L
W
AyahuascaGnostic
First you cultists claim the link was faulty, which it wasn't. Then you
quibble regarding the manner in which the Hindustani Times has chosen
to archive the item, suggesting that maybe the article was spurious
because Kent Johnson couldn't be bothered to get off his fat ass and
google ALVI as a principle name, who has a long journalistic track
record with such exposes in India. Once it is established it is an
absolutely genuine article, you quibble over the date?! It actually
appeared printed on July 7th. Maybe the Hindustani Times chose to run
the article again on its e-journal 6 days later. It happens. Dates,
working links, etc., are irrelevent. What is relevent here is that
"trustees" of the National Spiritual Assembly of India have been caught
enriching themselves as double agents for the Zionists and Israel
simultaneously, selling classified military and intelligence
information to said parties, involved in a massive Hawla network,
forging and engaging in massive fraud, etc. This aspect of the "facts"
you cultist clowns don't even want to touch. Rather you desperately
attempt to latch on to secondary irrelevencies. In any case, the
clown-like behavior of you cultists over this piece is absolutely
revealing of what Fred and I have been saying all along regarding your
dishonest argumentative tactics. It also reveals your utter
desperation.
This time you can't bury; you are the ones who are going to be buried
:))
W
AyahuascaGnostic
http://bahairants.com/corruption-and-espionage-at-the-indian-nsa-129.html
Finnegan's Wake
"AyahuascaGnostic" <wahid...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1153190675.0...@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> Linked by baha'i rant:
>
> http://bahairants.com/corruption-and-espionage-at-the-indian-nsa-129.html
>
And your comment on the denial purportedly issued by or on behalf of the
Indian NSA is ...... (no histrionics ... though profanity and vulgarity will
be, sparingly, tolerated. I'm sure I don't need to remind you that these are
allegations which are subject to a formal burden of proof before they can be
accepted into the realm of fact. Of course ... where there's smoke there is
usually some form of combustion taking place ... and the platitudinous
responses of the faithful rank more of blind trust than solid knowledge of
the situation)
AyahuascaGnostic
Finnegan's Wake wrote:
> "AyahuascaGnostic" <wahid...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1153190675.0...@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> > Linked by baha'i rant:
> >
> > http://bahairants.com/corruption-and-espionage-at-the-indian-nsa-129.html
> >
>
> And your comment on the denial purportedly issued by or on behalf of the
> Indian NSA is ......
Plausible deniability for internal consumption. The first response of
cults and totalitarian systems to scandal is *always* denial. The
Hindustani Times is apparently a reputable daily with a massive
hard-copy distribution. There is a liability issue if they printed a
story such as this just for the ratings alone. ALVI (the investigative
journalist), I understand, has a reputation for exposing these sorts of
things.
This story, although a tip of a very large iceberg of corruption, is
true.
W
All Bad
AyahuascaGnostic wrote:
> I told you people this kind of shit was going on! What do you have to
> say for yourselves now, eh?
>
Are you asking yourself that? Or are you assuming that the readers have
not figured out that you followed up to yourself via different sock puppets.
> W
>
>
> Baha'i Spy Ring Busted! wrote:
>
>>http://epaper.hindustantimes.com/artMailDisp.aspx?article=14_07_2006_006_005&typ=0&pub=47
>>
>>
>>
>>SPY RING BUSTED? - Bahai trustees accused of embezzling funds
>>
>> NAZIYA Alvi
>>New Delhi
>>
>>
>>
>>IN A complaint filed in a city court, a few trustees of the National
>>Spiritual Assembly of Bahais of India have been accused of espionage by
>>their colleagues.
Are you shocked that other Spiritual Assembly members might report a
crook amongst their number?
- All Bad
Baha'i Spy Ring Busted!
All Bad wrote:
> AyahuascaGnostic wrote:
> > I told you people this kind of shit was going on! What do you have to
> > say for yourselves now, eh?
> >
>
> Are you asking yourself that? Or are you assuming that the readers have
> not figured out that you followed up to yourself via different sock puppets.
I was asking *you*. The first post and the follow-up were by me. Those
who can't figure something as obvious as that out, must be baha'is!
> Are you shocked that other Spiritual Assembly members might report a
> crook amongst their number?
Not at all. Internal political intrigue and back stabbing of your own
are part and parcel of your Stalinist creed, even though right now the
NSA of Hindustan seems to be denying the whole thing for internal
consumption.
W
AyahuascaGnostic
Baha'i Spy Ring Busted! wrote:
Viv
Under one of his many pseudonyms Nima Hazini posted the story again
representing it as an update. It was in fact the original story,
reposted. His dishonesty is (once again) exposed.
No other repurable media in India have taken up the story, with its
wild allegations. If there were any substance to it you would expect at
least some more coverage. It looks as though the others accept the
statement from the Indian NSA that this is a fantasy cooked up by
disgruntled ex-employees, a scenario that makes more sense than the
story itself does.
Got any relatives in India, Nima?
Viv.
AyahuascaGnostic
that an item is being pushed to the top, not that the story is being
updated, especially when the update is happening in the same thread as
the originating story. Furthermore, the Hindustani Times is the
largest, reputable daily, with the widest circulation in India. The
National Baha'i Spiritual Assembly has plausibly denied the story with
an undated email sent to Steve Marshall. This in no way constitutes a
rebuttal of the story or establishes the innocence of the accused. I
suggest that the matter be taken up with the Hindustani Times and other
newspapers in India who have also apparently printed the story.
W
AyahuascaGnostic
that an item is being pushed to the top, not that the story is being
updated, especially when the update is happening in the same thread as
the originating story. Furthermore, the Hindustani Times is the
largest, reputable daily, with the widest circulation in India. The
National Baha'i Spiritual Assembly has plausibly denied the story with
an undated email sent to Steve Marshall. This in no way constitutes a
rebuttal of the story or establishes the innocence of the accused. I
suggest that the matter be taken up with the Hindustani Times and other
newspapers in India who have also apparently printed the story.
W
All Bad
AyahuascaGnostic wrote:
> The cultist baha'i idiot is unaware that "updating" on USENET means
> that an item is being pushed to the top, not that the story is being
> updated, especially when the update is happening in the same thread as
This looks like Glaysherese. In normal usage, an update updates
something. That update would 'push the item to the top' in readers
which might work that way.
Your meaning for update is a thin veil over your (and Fred's) attempts
to manipulate discussion on what should be an uncensored forum.
- All Bad
Matt Menge
All Bad wrote:
>
> Are you shocked that other Spiritual Assembly members might report a
> crook amongst their number?
>
It is still entirely possible that these are false charges which won't
hold up in court. That can happen even in India.
Matt
John MacLeod
"Matt Menge" <mspm...@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:1153964059.4...@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>
> It is still entirely possible that these are false charges which won't
> hold up in court. That can happen even in India.
>
the statement from the Indian NSA. Has there been any other English
language reports?
What confuses me is the nature of the court proceedings considering the
nature of the charge. As I understand it the allegation has been made that
at least one person inpersonated an officer of the armed services, stole
defence secrets and sold them to a foreign country. Without knowing the
exact details of the Indian legal code this seems to me an allegation of
treason or espionage - one of the most serious crimes in most legal systems
often punishable by death or life imprisonment. One would suppose that if
anyone had suspicions of such an act one would inform the police or, if one
had the contacts, a national security agency of some kind. If they thought
the evidence warranted action there would be arrests and criminal charges.
The reality appears to be that the allegations were made by private citizens
without any action by security agencies and were referred by a magistrate to
an economic crimes investigation agency.
Is it possible that India regards selling defence secrets to foreign
countries as purely an economic crime?
Is it possible that that there is huge corruption affecting government
agencies involved?
My best guess is that the security forces of India are aware of the
allegations but on investigation found at least the treason aspects to be
without foundation. I hardly think the suspects would be at large and
presumably able to flee if not. However the magistrate believed there were
sufficient grounds to justify investigation of the possibility of financial
fraud. Still, it all sounds rather strange.
It is at the least very sad that relations between the Indian Baha'i
authorities and some of their ex-employees are so bad.
I do hope that every effort will be made by all Baha'i authporities to
assist the investigation and ensure the truth - whatever it may be -
emerges.
AyahuascaGnostic
John MacLeod wrote:
> My best guess is that the security forces of India are aware of the
> allegations but on investigation found at least the treason aspects to be
> without foundation.
And you know this, based on your best guess, because security forces in
India told you this, right John?
Viv
AyahuascaGnostic wrote:
. Furthermore, the Hindustani Times is the
> largest, reputable daily, with the widest circulation in India. The
> National Baha'i Spiritual Assembly has plausibly denied the story with
> an undated email sent to Steve Marshall. This in no way constitutes a
> rebuttal of the story or establishes the innocence of the accused. I
> suggest that the matter be taken up with the Hindustani Times and other
> newspapers in India who have also apparently printed the story.
>
> W
>
>
"apparently"? Other newspapers in India have "apparently" printed the
sotry? That's pretty vague, which tells us a lot from someone who is
normally so firm even when there isn't any truth in what he's saying.
Can you tell us which papers?
Can you tell us why they cannot be tracked down on the Web?
Can you provide a URL - or other actual information - to back up your
claim?
Viv.
PS The story no longer appears on the Hindustant Times site at the URL
you publsihed. It looks as though this tall tale isn't going anywhere
except as one of the many bees buzzing around in Nima's bonnet.
Viv
Nima-of-the-many-names-and-even-more-fantasies,
I realise that English isn't your native language and that you
occasionally have dificulties with the meanings and usage of some of
its words and phrases (that's quite apart from the difficulty you have
in telling truth from fantasy, of course, a separate issue).
No doubt that's why you don't appreciate what a "plausible denial" is
and the onus it places on the person who rejects it to prove it wrong.
Merely whining "plausible denial" when you are faced with something you
don't like and can't answer is, of course the same as saying "I have no
answer to these points". A position you find yourself in quite a lot.
Viv.
AyahuascaGnostic
Viv wrote:
> Can you provide a URL - or other actual information - to back up your
> claim?
Only if you can provide a date for Steve Marshall's email and a
retraction from the Hindustani Times regarding the initial article they
printed. You provide these two things, and I'll tell you what other
newspapers in India have also run the story.
W
AyahuascaGnostic
PaulHammond
AyahuascaGnostic wrote:
> Shut up, stupid, racist idiot!
I haven't the faintest clue what you found "racist" about Viv's last
post,
but you know, shouting at someone and calling them "stupid" is an
even clearer admission of Viv's point that you have no answer
to what she is saying than just calling something a "plausible
denial" and repeating your assertions in a yet louder voice.
Paul
(Viv's point which you are proving):
All Bad
AyahuascaGnostic wrote:
> Shut up, stupid, racist idiot!
>
You should hear yourself.
- All Bad
Baha'i Spy Ring Busted!
PaulHammond wrote:
> AyahuascaGnostic wrote:
>
> > Shut up, stupid, racist idiot!
>
> I haven't the faintest clue what you found "racist"
Of course you don't. You are a racist yourself.
W
Has...@aol.com
Matt,
Earlier I posted the following:
"The National Spiritual Assembly of the Baha'is of India was shocked by
the report Bahai trustees accused of embezzling funds (July 14). The
allegations are baseless and have been made by a few disgruntled
ex-employees of the assembly who have been dismissed from their
positions and have been indulging in harassment ever since."
AK Merchant
National Spiritual Assembly of the Baha'is
of India, Delhi
I suppose it wouldn't occur to Nima that the Hindustani Times may have
retracted the story when they found it to be false.
PaulHammond
Baha'i Spy Ring Busted! wrote:
And of course, you'd be incapable of *explaining* that
point, either.
---restoring the point Nima found unanswerable---
PaulHammond
This possibility didn't appear on Nima's "fake comprehensive" two
point list, I noticed.
According to him, the only options are 1) A Baha'i conspiracy has
attacked the website
2) A Baha'i conspiracy has paid off the newspaper.
I think Nima has a seriously limited imagination - if he got splashed
by a car driving through a puddle he'd accuse the driver of being
a Baha'i!
Paul
John MacLeod
<Has...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1154281747....@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
>
> I suppose it wouldn't occur to Nima that the Hindustani Times may have
> retracted the story when they found it to be false.
>
The Hindustani Times story was that allegations had been made in a court of
law. The statement by the NSA confirms that such allegations have been made
though it neither confirms or denies whether they were made in a court of
law. It also clarifies that 'trustees' refers to 'ex-employees' (without
confirming or denying that such 'ex-employees' were also members of the
NSA).
Note the Times response also printed with the NSA statement
"HT reporter replies: The story was based on a city court's order and an FIR
with the Economic Offence Wing of Delhi."
The most likely reason for the loss of the story seems to be date driven.
At www.hindustanitimes.com the archive facility currently only seems to go
back to 15th July.
AyahuascaGnostic
Has...@aol.com wrote:
> AK Merchant
> National Spiritual Assembly of the Baha'is
> of India, Delhi
>
> I suppose it wouldn't occur to Nima that the Hindustani Times may have
> retracted the story when they found it to be false.
Post the retraction.
Has...@aol.com
> The Hindustani Times story was that allegations had been made in a court of
> law. The statement by the NSA confirms that such allegations have been made
> though it neither confirms or denies whether they were made in a court of
> law. It also clarifies that 'trustees' refers to 'ex-employees' (without
> confirming or denying that such 'ex-employees' were also members of the
> NSA).
That's an easy enough thing to check. It shouldn't be too hard to get a
hold of a list of NSA members for India. And the Hindustani Times names
the people making these accusations.
> The most likely reason for the loss of the story seems to be date driven.
> At www.hindustanitimes.com the archive facility currently only seems to go
> back to 15th July.
What??? And explanation with no glamour at all!
John MacLeod
<Has...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1154323728.1...@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com...
>> It also clarifies that 'trustees' refers to 'ex-employees' (without
>> confirming or denying that such 'ex-employees' were also members of the
>> NSA).
>
> That's an easy enough thing to check.
You'd think so and I guess it would be if one thought it important enough
but a few minutes on search engines didn't help me find a list of Indian NSA
members past or present.
> And the Hindustani Times names
> the people making these accusations.
I could find only one of the names mentioned in a Baha'i context. 'Payam
Shoghi' - alleged to have fraudently acquired Indian citizenship - matches
the name of someone who was recently a counsellor. Don't know if its the
same person.
I don't know if 'trustee' has a specific meaning in Indian legal English but
it may not be the same thing as 'member' in relation to an NSA.
Just rereading the story I've noticed that one of the allegations is that
the 'accused' were involved in a large Hawala network. Is Hawala illegal in
India these days?
Viv
AyahuascaGnostic wrote:
Translation from Nima-speak "I don't have anything to back up what I
said before so I'll try to slide sideways and avoid the challenge."
Viv
AyahuascaGnostic wrote:
> Shut up, stupid, racist idiot!
Thank you, Nima, for your continued demonstration of the heights to
which your Bayani vision raises you, as regards both logical and
expressive skills.
PaulHammond
Updating: Nima still incapable of explaning what was racist about
Viv's recent post...
AyahuascaGnostic
John MacLeod wrote:
> I could find only one of the names mentioned in a Baha'i context. 'Payam
> Shoghi' - alleged to have fraudently acquired Indian citizenship - matches
> the name of someone who was recently a counsellor. Don't know if its the
> same person.
It is.
> I don't know if 'trustee' has a specific meaning in Indian legal English but
> it may not be the same thing as 'member' in relation to an NSA.
Since the convoluted Sovietesque system of baha'i authority structures
would not be easily explainable to an un-initiated readership in a
short article, the word "trustee" was used. In any case, much of these
espionage type activities have been co-ordinated primarily from the
ITC. The Missioanry fiasco in Iran originated with the ITC. Running
Ruhi Institutes in Iran and training institues in Dubai was an ITC
brainchild. The Iranian Ma'arif (recently renamed
Anjoman-i-Yaran/Association of Friends) answers to the ITC. Most of
these acitivites are rubber stamped by this body and most of the AO's
"formal" connections to intelligence agencies is from the ITC. The
Counsellors and the ITC are the state within the state of the baha'i AO
and are accountable to no one other than to the financial mafia who
bankrolls the whole thing, the uhj now being merely a formal figurehead
body and no more.
> Just rereading the story I've noticed that one of the allegations is that
> the 'accused' were involved in a large Hawala network. Is Hawala illegal in
> India these days?
A hawala system would be illegal throughout the world. The system is
"black market" oriented. This baha'i hawala has been around for awhile
and has been alleged to have been responsible for the deliveries of
arms shipments to the ayatollahs during Iran-Contra.
W
AyahuascaGnostic
Viv wrote:
> Translation from Nima-speak "I don't have anything to back up what I
> said before so I'll try to slide sideways and avoid the challenge."
You think that, cultist bitch. It makes no difference to the fact that
this story was printed in several newspapers in India besides the
Hindustani Times, and, more importantly, that this isn't the first
instance your cult has been caught and accused of massive corruption
inside India. The Indians know you sleaze-balls all too well.
W
PaulHammond
AyahuascaGnostic wrote:
> Viv wrote:
>
>
> > Translation from Nima-speak "I don't have anything to back up what I
> > said before so I'll try to slide sideways and avoid the challenge."
>
> You think that, cultist bitch. It makes no difference to the fact that
> this story was printed in several newspapers in India besides the
> Hindustani Times,
which other newspapers printed it?
and, more importantly, that this isn't the first
> instance your cult has been caught and accused of massive corruption
> inside India. The Indians know you sleaze-balls all too well.
>
Okay - let's deal with one unproved allegation at a time, shall we?
AyahuascaGnostic
PaulHammond wanked:
> which other newspapers printed it?
I asked for a date for Steve Marshall's email and a PRINTED retraction
of the HT article. I don't give away information like that without
getting something in return.
PaulHammond
I'm not Steve Marshall. Why are you asking me?
personally, I think John MacCloud's theory, that the article has
expired because the newspaper only keeps recent articles on the
site is most likely.
And if you *say* that "other Indian newspapers have printed
the story", but cant even be bothered to name them, I think
it's most likely that you're just blowing smoke out of your
arse on that one. I don't just take your word on anything, Nima.
Paul
AyahuascaGnostic
PaulHammond wrote:
> I'm not Steve Marshall. Why are you asking me?
I didn't *ostensibly* didn't ask paul. I asked Viv, and now you are
admitting - yet again - that you are indeed Viv.
>
> personally, I think John MacCloud's theory, that the article has
> expired because the newspaper only keeps recent articles on the
> site is most likely.
The URL I posted was an archive. They have articles in the archive
going years back. That one, however, is missing -- and the reason is
quite obvious.
> And if you *say* that "other Indian newspapers have printed
> the story", but cant even be bothered to name them,
I don't need to name them. I already know they have and who they are. I
want a date for Marshall's email and a printed retraction by the HT.
Without it, I have no interest to share that kind of information here
with the peanut gallery. Nor is there a necessity to prove anything.
The story was taken up by several other newspapers who printed it as
well.
W
PaulHammond
AyahuascaGnostic wrote:
> PaulHammond wrote:
> > I'm not Steve Marshall. Why are you asking me?
>
> I didn't *ostensibly* didn't ask paul. I asked Viv, and now you are
> admitting - yet again - that you are indeed Viv.
>
Bullshit. You just asked me directly. In this post
http://groups.google.com/group/talk.religion.bahai/msg/d2c4607c70c910db
Wanker.
> >
> > personally, I think John MacCloud's theory, that the article has
> > expired because the newspaper only keeps recent articles on the
> > site is most likely.
>
> The URL I posted was an archive. They have articles in the archive
> going years back. That one, however, is missing -- and the reason is
> quite obvious.
>
That you're a loony. Right.
>
> > And if you *say* that "other Indian newspapers have printed
> > the story", but cant even be bothered to name them,
>
>
> I don't need to name them.
Yes you do.
Otherwise, the reason why you can't name them is obvious.
That you're making it all up.
I already know they have and who they are. I
> want a date for Marshall's email and a printed retraction by the HT.
> Without it, I have no interest to share that kind of information here
> with the peanut gallery.
Go whistle.
Nor is there a necessity to prove anything.
> The story was taken up by several other newspapers who printed it as
> well.
>
WHICH other newspapers, loony? Why do you think that's such a
big state secret?
Viv
AyahuascaGnostic
PaulHammond wanked
> Bullshit.
Is in your brain.
>You just asked me directly.
I asked VIV! You jumped in, as usual, mid-train. Now you are saying,
once again, you are Viv.
Once again, date of Marshall email and HT retraction = naming of other
Indian newspapers. As simple as that. You want something for nothing,
and I am not going to give it to you.
<misdirection snip>
W
PaulHammond
You're a wanker:
http://groups.google.com/group/talk.religion.bahai/msg/d2c4607c70c910db
btw - you missed the fact that I deliberately signed off the last post
as "Viv".
George
Baha'i Spy Ring Busted!
PaulHammond wanked:
> http://groups.google.com/group/talk.religion.bahai/msg/d2c4607c70c910db
>
> btw - you missed the fact that I deliberately signed off the last post
> as "Viv".
It also hasn't missed me that you *are* Viv.
Baha'i Spy Ring Busted!
seriously.
Viv
Originally the tale was that this non-stroy had "apparently" been
printed in other Indian newspapers - now it's "a fact" that it has. Yet
when asked to name any of them, provide verifiable references etc Nima
ducks, weaves, tries to change the subject, and - surprise, surpise -
fails to come up with the goods. No change in technique there, then.
Viv.
Viv
>
> > And if you *say* that "other Indian newspapers have printed
> > the story", but cant even be bothered to name them,
His response
> I don't need to name them. I already know they have and who they are.
Now there's a plausible scenario... here's another one, one much more
likely based on this liar and fantasist's past behaviour - that Nima
doesn't know, that he made it all up, and now he's trying to wrigle
away from backing up what he said.
PaulHammond
Baha'i Spy Ring Busted! wrote:
Burble wurble wheedle worl. wheeled out like that you are is paid to
be.