On Thu, 17 May 2012 16:43:18 +0000, 2966 Dead quacked:
> On Thu, 17 May 2012 11:34:33 -0400, Mr.B1ack wrote:
>> This is the end, the bitter end ...
>> 'Austerity' ? We don't NEED no stinkin' 'austerity' ... famous last
>> words dontchathink ? :-)
> Yeah. If Europe had been listening and hadn't imposed austerity, this
> wouldn't be happening.
The EU didn't "impose" austerity, it simply made it a condition of receiving more bailout money. Greece is free to do whatever it wants, but it does not have a right to free money from other countries.
In Germany, austerity has been the norm for decades, and rather than becoming the impoverished third-world shithole your crackpot economic theory predicts, it is one of the wealthiest and most advanced countries on earth. Its 5.6% unemployment rate is far lower than Spain's 25%, which you blame on a lack of government spending. Now you -- who are not even an EU citizen -- expect fiscally responsible German taxpayers to give their hard-earned money to Greek public employees who enjoy lavish salaries and pension benefits that Germans can only dream of?
>> I see the fascist party has made significant gains already. How long
>> before they're in charge ?
> Next election is now set for June.
Democratic socialism inevitably collapses and is replaced by dictatorship. The Greek people will vote for more free money, and since the money has run out they will riot and order will eventually be restored by force.
Zepp tries to portray Greece as some kind of "victim," which is like saying my brother is a "victim" because he is addicted to tobacco. Every few hours he wants five bucks for another pack of cigarettes. I tell him he needs to reduce his smoking, and he says he will but never does. It is not fair that I refuse to support his excessive smoking. It is cruel that I cut him off at this moment in time, when he needs a cigarette the most. Because I bought him a pack of cigarettes yesterday, I am required to buy him cigarettes forever. He is broke because he spends all his money on cigarettes, so he is "entitled" to a bailout paid for by everyone else.
On Thu, 17 May 2012 20:22:57 +0000, 2966 Dead wrote:
> On Thu, 17 May 2012 12:23:20 -0500, Dänk 42Ø wrote:
>> On Thu, 17 May 2012 11:34:33 -0400, Mr.B1ack wrote:
>>> This is the end, the bitter end ...
>>> 'Austerity' ? We don't NEED no stinkin' 'austerity' ... famous last
>>> words dontchathink ? :-)
>>> I see the fascist party has made significant gains already. How long
>>> before they're in charge ?
>> Adolf Hitler came to power in an era of hyperinflation, and under Nazi
>> rule the German mark was strong. This is why Germany is so adamant
>> about not devaluing the euro.
> Oddly enough, nobody is talking about hyperinflation, not for the euro
> or for the drachma.
Experts expect an immediate 40% devaluation of the new drachma. This will service existing debt, but it is not enough to cover public demand for increased spending. I posted a link to the history of the post-WW2 drachma, and you can see what kind of currency the Greek people demand.
> I note that Germany's hyperinflation was triggered, in large measure, by
> the very safe sort of austerity measures the allies imposed on Germany
> after World War I.
By "austerity," you mean the Treaty of Versailles, which required Germany to pay for the damage it caused when it tried to conquer the world. By your logic, it is unfair to sue someone for damages in court, since they will have to give up some of their luxuries to repay you.
On Fri, 18 May 2012 12:45:38 -0500, Dänk 42Ø wrote:
> On Thu, 17 May 2012 20:22:57 +0000, 2966 Dead wrote:
>> On Thu, 17 May 2012 12:23:20 -0500, Dänk 42Ø wrote:
>>> On Thu, 17 May 2012 11:34:33 -0400, Mr.B1ack wrote:
>>>> This is the end, the bitter end ...
>>>> 'Austerity' ? We don't NEED no stinkin' 'austerity' ... famous last
>>>> words dontchathink ? :-)
>>>> I see the fascist party has made significant gains already. How long
>>>> before they're in charge ?
>>> Adolf Hitler came to power in an era of hyperinflation, and under Nazi
>>> rule the German mark was strong. This is why Germany is so adamant
>>> about not devaluing the euro.
>> Oddly enough, nobody is talking about hyperinflation, not for the euro
>> or for the drachma.
> Experts expect an immediate 40% devaluation of the new drachma. This
> will service existing debt, but it is not enough to cover public demand
> for increased spending. I posted a link to the history of the post-WW2
> drachma, and you can see what kind of currency the Greek people demand.
Yes, because conditions are identical to Nazi occupation. I got a good laugh out of that. I don't dispute the 40% devaluation; that sounds like a pretty solid guesstimate. But it's hardly 'hyperinflation'. As noted, you need economic demand for inflation in the first place in a consumer society (which is why all the right wing dire warnings of runaway inflation here as a result of the bailouts and stimulus never came to anything) and so inflation won't really ravage the Greek people for some time, if ever.
>> I note that Germany's hyperinflation was triggered, in large measure,
>> by the very safe sort of austerity measures the allies imposed on
>> Germany after World War I.
> By "austerity," you mean the Treaty of Versailles, which required
> Germany to pay for the damage it caused when it tried to conquer the
> world. By your logic, it is unfair to sue someone for damages in court,
> since they will have to give up some of their luxuries to repay you.
The spectacular failure of the reparations program shows that just because someone owes you money doesn't mean that you should engage in aggressive and destructive collection methods, or even put you in the right.
>>>>>On Thu, 17 May 2012 11:34:33 -0400, Mr.B1ack wrote:
>>>>>> This is the end, the bitter end ...
>>>>>> 'Austerity' ? We don't NEED no stinkin' 'austerity' ... famous last
>>>>>> words dontchathink ? :-)
>>>>>Yeah. If Europe had been listening and hadn't imposed austerity,
>>>>>this wouldn't be happening.
>>>>>> I see the fascist party has made significant gains already. How
>>>>>> long before they're in charge ?
>>>>>Next election is now set for June.
>>>> Hmmm ... too soon maybe. Fascists need a period of social
>>>> unrest/suffering so they can swoop in and promise to 'save' the
>>>> country. Oh well, maybe the results of the June election will be
>>>> crap too and there'll have to be another.
>>>> Now by winter, the way money is fleeing Greece right now, yea ...
>>>> there really MAY be some very serious 'unrest' going on. First the
>>>> commies and fascists will have to have it out, then the winner
>>>> takes all. Nobody will stop 'em ... a total Greek default will
>>>> have the rest of europe in a tizzy and they'll have better things
>>>> to worry about.
>>>I might be wrong, but I'd kind of halfway anyway think maybe a system
>>>might come out of all this where people basically realize more how
>>>things really work....
>> You're wrong. They WON'T admit how things really work, what MUST be
>> done. Ideology and petty self interetst will prevail - creating
>> disaster.
> I wonder... Places like North Korea, the ex Warsaw pact are mostly
> gone... Even Cuba and North Korea (more radical) are going a little free
> market... North korea must be very confused... like, just when we
> thought, maybe go a little free market stuff starts falling apart...
> Thing is, the socialist nations haven't every done very great...
You're talking about communist nations. Socialist nations, such as Sweden, and Canada are all doing somewhat well.
> A lot of people just probably genetically don't have much sense about
> such things, but maybe 50% do... Those are probably the people
> ultimately who organize stuff... MOre of them realize, the free market
> stuff works, socialist stuff doens't...
So how many transcontinental roads and railroads did the private sector set up?
> Even the news people probably realize it... so aren't helping out Obama
> with as much crazy/lying stuff. They care some about reality...
> That's what really, IMO, ended the USSR and socialist associated
> nations... People saw the world through VCR tapes, the sergeants and
> above, and realized, sociliasm produces really lousy results for people,
> in reality, but free markets or *something* in the West does well... So,
> they cared more about their nations, about people, than they did about
> ideas like sociliasm, even the socialism of their fathers and mothers...
> (their religion, so to speak...)
Come back if you ever figure out what 'sociliasm' [sic] is.
> Only, what really works.... precisely... and, nothing's perfect..
> Libertarian society isn't heaven... Just a lot less hell on average...
> plus, more of Heaven... if only a little more..
> Still, a comet could come and whack us... libertarians won't stop it
> right off - but maybe in 50 years... Give some time to build up some
> technology...
Slackfest wrote:
> On 5/18/2012 9:42 AM, 2966 Dead wrote:
>> On Fri, 18 May 2012 05:19:27 -0700, linuxgal wrote:
>>> Robert Fitzgerald wrote:
>>>> Still, a comet could come and whack us... libertarians won't stop it
>>>> right off - but maybe in 50 years... Give some time to build up some
>>>> technology...
>>> Or we could go with the Obama future, with bicycles, and cars that drive
>>> on sidewalks, and let the comet get us.
>> There you have it folks! A right wing cunt managed to whine
>> simultaneously in one sentence that Obama wants us to develop advanced,
>> superior technology, and that Obama won't let us develop advanced,
>> superior technology!
If you think a bicycle is advanced technology, then you must be an emigre from North Korea. And you say "cunt" like that's a bad thing.
On Fri, 18 May 2012 12:45:52 -0700, linuxgal wrote:
> Slackfest wrote:
>> On 5/18/2012 9:42 AM, 2966 Dead wrote:
>>> On Fri, 18 May 2012 05:19:27 -0700, linuxgal wrote:
>>>> Robert Fitzgerald wrote:
>>>>> Still, a comet could come and whack us... libertarians won't stop it
>>>>> right off - but maybe in 50 years... Give some time to build up
>>>>> some technology...
>>>> Or we could go with the Obama future, with bicycles, and cars that
>>>> drive on sidewalks, and let the comet get us.
>>> There you have it folks! A right wing cunt managed to whine
>>> simultaneously in one sentence that Obama wants us to develop
>>> advanced,
>>> superior technology, and that Obama won't let us develop advanced,
>>> superior technology!
> If you think a bicycle is advanced technology, then you must be an
> emigre from North Korea. And you say "cunt" like that's a bad thing.
> On Thu, 17 May 2012 19:06:42 -0700 (PDT), Milt <milt.sh...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >On May 17, 9:34 pm, Steve <stevencan...@yahooooo.com> wrote:
> >> On Thu, 17 May 2012 21:33:54 -0400, Mr.B1ack <b...@barrk.net> wrote:
> >> >Steve <stevencan...@yahooooo.com> wrote:
> >> >>On Thu, 17 May 2012 20:22:57 +0000 (UTC), 2966 Dead <d...@gone.com>
> >> >>wrote:
> >> >>>On Thu, 17 May 2012 12:23:20 -0500, D nk 42 wrote:
> >> >>>> On Thu, 17 May 2012 11:34:33 -0400, Mr.B1ack wrote:
> >> >>>>> This is the end, the bitter end ...
> >> >>>>> 'Austerity' ? We don't NEED no stinkin' 'austerity' ... famous last
> >> >>>>> words dontchathink ? :-)
> >> >>>>> I see the fascist party has made significant gains already. How long
> >> >>>>> before they're in charge ?
> >> >>>> Adolf Hitler came to power in an era of hyperinflation, and under Nazi
> >> >>>> rule the German mark was strong. This is why Germany is so adamant
> >> >>>> about not devaluing the euro.
> >> >>>Oddly enough, nobody is talking about hyperinflation, not for the euro or
> >> >>>for the drachma.
> >> >>>I note that Germany's hyperinflation was triggered, in large measure, by
> >> >>>the very safe sort of austerity measures the allies imposed on Germany
> >> >>>after World War I.
> >> >>Lefties hate austerity... they want to spend, spend, spend...
> >> > So Pentagon generals are lefties ? :-)
> >> No, they're just big kids with expensive toys
> >The irony is, the generals don't want most of those "toys." But their
> >right wing Republican benefactors demand they take the shit, anyway.
> <LOL> Now Milt imagines he can speak for the military leadership.
And Google "F-22," fucktard. Navy pilots refuse to fly it, and the
Pentagon has been asking that the program be killed for years, but
Republicans have blocked every attempt to do so.
Wow. You don't read much news, do you?
> >Yes, I said it's Republicans who spend money like drunken sailors, not
> >Democrats.
> It's not so much that I know nothing, it's just that most of what
> I "know" is wrong..
> >> >> >> >>>On Thu, 17 May 2012 12:23:20 -0500, D nk 42 wrote:
> >> >> >> >>>> On Thu, 17 May 2012 11:34:33 -0400, Mr.B1ack wrote:
> >> >> >> >>>>> This is the end, the bitter end ...
> >> >> >> >>>>> 'Austerity' ? We don't NEED no stinkin' 'austerity' ...
> >> >> >> >>>>> famous last words dontchathink ? :-)
> >> >> >> >>>>> I see the fascist party has made significant gains already.
> >> >> >> >>>>> How long before they're in charge ?
> >> >> >> >>>> Adolf Hitler came to power in an era of hyperinflation, and
> >> >> >> >>>> under Nazi rule the German mark was strong. This is why
> >> >> >> >>>> Germany is so adamant about not devaluing the euro.
> >> >> >> >>>Oddly enough, nobody is talking about hyperinflation, not for
> >> >> >> >>>the euro or for the drachma.
> >> >> >> >>>I note that Germany's hyperinflation was triggered, in large
> >> >> >> >>>measure, by the very safe sort of austerity measures the
> >> >> >> >>>allies imposed on Germany after World War I.
> >> >> >> >>Lefties hate austerity... they want to spend, spend, spend...
> >> >> >> > So Pentagon generals are lefties ? :-)
> >> >> >> No, they're just big kids with expensive toys
> >> >> > The irony is, the generals don't want most of those "toys." But
> >> >> > their right wing Republican benefactors demand they take the shit,
> >> >> > anyway.
> >> >> > Yes, I said it's Republicans who spend money like drunken sailors,
> >> >> > not Democrats.
> >> >> Well, this is an instance where the favorite whine of right wingers
> >> >> when they're caught fucking up, "both parties do it" really DOES
> >> >> apply.
> >> >> The only President since Hoover to really trim the military was
> >> >> George HW Bush.
> >> > Oh, really. So, Truman and Eisenhower made no cuts, and we're
> >> > spending as much in constant dollars as we did during WWII? Really?
> >> OK. Point.
> >> Also, just as> many cuts were made under Clinton, and there have been
> >> significant cuts
> >> > during Obama's administration. You know, like taking one whole war
> >> > out of the picture; the one Republicans have been whining about
> >> > since. Of course, presidents can't trim the military, anyway. They
> >> > can recommend cuts, but only Congress can make them.
> >> Ending Iraq hasn't resulted in anything in the way of military cuts to
> >> date.
> > Oh, really? So, the Iraq War cost us nothing now? Last I heard, it and
> > Afghanistan cost us about $3 trillion, and most of that was for Iraq.
> > Suddenly, we're spending next to nothing on Iraq.
> The money simply transferred back to Afghanistan.
No, it didn't.
> Or went to
> reprovisioning and restocking.
Nope again.
> Let's not forget all the light armor that
> got destroyed and needs to be replaced.
It was replaced.
> And just for shits and giggles,
> even though technically it isn't part of the military budget, let's not
> forget the billions of dollars spent on medical care for tens of
> thousands of Americans permanently ruined but not killed over there.
Ok, you list a bunch of crap. I gave you numbers and examples.
Why are you so intent on being right that you ignore actual facts?
The FACT is, the difference between the FY 2010 and FY 2012 defense
budgets was a TOTAL of 3%. You'll note that that ***includes*** both
wars, and that the number is less than inflation.
Once more; a FLAT defense budget INCLUDING two wars that had
previously been conducted off the books. How is that not a pretty
significant cut?
There have also been two proposals for cuts; the first one was
approved by Dems before we helped boot them out of office, and the
second one was punted by the current House, thus kicking in the nuts
your basic premise that "both parties" are basically the same
regarding the defense budget.
> >> Now, if the Supercommittee default holds, then yes, there will be
> >> significant cuts to the military, and Obama can take credit for that.
> >> But the GOP are doing everything they can to renege on that, or at
> >> least make political hay out of it.
> > Last year alone saw $78 billion in cuts over the next five years, not
> > including the end of the Iraq war. I'd call that significant. In fact,
> > the GOP has been whining about that for a year; I'm surprised you hadn't
> > heard.
> The cuts are still being debated and haven't happened yet. What you're
> hearing is preemptive whining.
They HAVE happened. They went through before the Democrats left
office. Jesus, I even gave you a link.
You're wrong. GHWB was NOT the only one to cut defense, and Obama has
cut it, actually pretty significantly.But then, your ilk seems to like
trashing him as much as the wingnuts. You certainly seem just as
willing to believe bullshit.
Bullshit doesn't turn into wisdom just because it's spouted by a
liberal. Stop it.
> >> > I would also point out that all of this is about the debt ceiling
> >> > deal the GOP made, in which they agreed to cut the military by up to
> >> > 25% if they couldn't come up with other cuts. They're now reneging on
> >> > that, which Obama knew they would.
> >> > Even on this, at this point in time, both parties are polar
> >> > opposites. And comparing the current GOP with past iterations of the
> >> > party doesn't work, anyway. Ronald Reagan would be "too liberal" for
> >> > the current GOP.
>On May 18, 5:43 am, Steve <stevencan...@yahooooo.com> wrote:
>> On Thu, 17 May 2012 19:06:42 -0700 (PDT), Milt <milt.sh...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >On May 17, 9:34 pm, Steve <stevencan...@yahooooo.com> wrote:
>> >> On Thu, 17 May 2012 21:33:54 -0400, Mr.B1ack <b...@barrk.net> wrote:
>> >> >Steve <stevencan...@yahooooo.com> wrote:
>> >> >>On Thu, 17 May 2012 20:22:57 +0000 (UTC), 2966 Dead <d...@gone.com>
>> >> >>wrote:
>> >> >>>On Thu, 17 May 2012 12:23:20 -0500, D nk 42 wrote:
>> >> >>>> On Thu, 17 May 2012 11:34:33 -0400, Mr.B1ack wrote:
>> >> >>>>> This is the end, the bitter end ...
>> >> >>>>> 'Austerity' ? We don't NEED no stinkin' 'austerity' ... famous last
>> >> >>>>> words dontchathink ? :-)
>> >> >>>>> I see the fascist party has made significant gains already. How long
>> >> >>>>> before they're in charge ?
>> >> >>>> Adolf Hitler came to power in an era of hyperinflation, and under Nazi
>> >> >>>> rule the German mark was strong. This is why Germany is so adamant
>> >> >>>> about not devaluing the euro.
>> >> >>>Oddly enough, nobody is talking about hyperinflation, not for the euro or
>> >> >>>for the drachma.
>> >> >>>I note that Germany's hyperinflation was triggered, in large measure, by
>> >> >>>the very safe sort of austerity measures the allies imposed on Germany
>> >> >>>after World War I.
>> >> >>Lefties hate austerity... they want to spend, spend, spend...
>> >> > So Pentagon generals are lefties ? :-)
>> >> No, they're just big kids with expensive toys
>> >The irony is, the generals don't want most of those "toys." But their
>> >right wing Republican benefactors demand they take the shit, anyway.
>> <LOL> Now Milt imagines he can speak for the military leadership.
>And Google "F-22," fucktard. Navy pilots refuse to fly it, and the
>Pentagon has been asking that the program be killed for years, but
>Republicans have blocked every attempt to do so.
Nobody has refused to fly it and no, the pentagon has not been asking
to kill it.. Milt should try reading something other than the leftist
bloggers...
>Wow. You don't read much news, do you?
>> >Yes, I said it's Republicans who spend money like drunken sailors, not
>> >Democrats.
> It's not so much that I know nothing, it's just that most of what
> I "know" is wrong..
"I've explained it to you before; it's because the state is obligated to protect your First Amendment rights, even from private parties. "
--Milt Shook claiming that private parties are subject to the First Amendment
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.society.liberalism/msg/49833dff86e...
"Bush can pardon ANYONE for ANYTHING. The purpose of the pardon power
in the first place was so that the president would have the power to
right a judicial wrong, even at the state level. Since probably at
least 90% or more of crime is prosecuted at the state level, it
wouldn't make sense to only give him the power to pardon federal
crimes." --Milt Shook claiming that Bush could pardon OJ Simpson.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.society.liberalism/msg/4f4fe748216...
"It doesn't matter if it's state property or not; the state doesn't
have to power to limit access to a public area. They can charge to
access it, but they can't force people to have a state ID card or
something. It's right in the 14th Amendment; if you allow one person
to get in for free, then all people have to be allowed in for free, if
it's public property."
--Milt Shook.. more ignorance of the law
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.society.liberalism/msg/83e117a21b8...
>> >> >> >> >>>On Thu, 17 May 2012 12:23:20 -0500, D nk 42 wrote:
>> >> >> >> >>>> On Thu, 17 May 2012 11:34:33 -0400, Mr.B1ack wrote:
>> >> >> >> >>>>> This is the end, the bitter end ...
>> >> >> >> >>>>> 'Austerity' ? We don't NEED no stinkin' 'austerity' ...
>> >> >> >> >>>>> famous last words dontchathink ? :-)
>> >> >> >> >>>>> I see the fascist party has made significant gains
>> >> >> >> >>>>> already.
>> >> >> >> >>>>> How long before they're in charge ?
>> >> >> >> >>>> Adolf Hitler came to power in an era of hyperinflation,
>> >> >> >> >>>> and under Nazi rule the German mark was strong. This is
>> >> >> >> >>>> why Germany is so adamant about not devaluing the euro.
>> >> >> >> >>>Oddly enough, nobody is talking about hyperinflation, not
>> >> >> >> >>>for the euro or for the drachma.
>> >> >> >> >>>I note that Germany's hyperinflation was triggered, in
>> >> >> >> >>>large measure, by the very safe sort of austerity measures
>> >> >> >> >>>the allies imposed on Germany after World War I.
>> >> >> >> >>Lefties hate austerity... they want to spend, spend,
>> >> >> >> >>spend...
>> >> >> >> > So Pentagon generals are lefties ? :-)
>> >> >> >> No, they're just big kids with expensive toys
>> >> >> > The irony is, the generals don't want most of those "toys." But
>> >> >> > their right wing Republican benefactors demand they take the
>> >> >> > shit,
>> >> >> > anyway.
>> >> >> > Yes, I said it's Republicans who spend money like drunken
>> >> >> > sailors,
>> >> >> > not Democrats.
>> >> >> Well, this is an instance where the favorite whine of right
>> >> >> wingers when they're caught fucking up, "both parties do it"
>> >> >> really DOES apply.
>> >> >> The only President since Hoover to really trim the military was
>> >> >> George HW Bush.
>> >> > Oh, really. So, Truman and Eisenhower made no cuts, and we're
>> >> > spending as much in constant dollars as we did during WWII?
>> >> > Really?
>> >> OK. Point.
>> >> Also, just as> many cuts were made under Clinton, and there have
>> >> been significant cuts
>> >> > during Obama's administration. You know, like taking one whole
>> >> > war out of the picture; the one Republicans have been whining
>> >> > about since. Of course, presidents can't trim the military,
>> >> > anyway. They can recommend cuts, but only Congress can make them.
>> >> Ending Iraq hasn't resulted in anything in the way of military cuts
>> >> to date.
>> > Oh, really? So, the Iraq War cost us nothing now? Last I heard, it
>> > and Afghanistan cost us about $3 trillion, and most of that was for
>> > Iraq. Suddenly, we're spending next to nothing on Iraq.
>> The money simply transferred back to Afghanistan.
> No, it didn't.
>> Or went to reprovisioning and restocking.
> Nope again.
>> Let's not forget all the light armor that
>> got destroyed and needs to be replaced.
> It was replaced.
Damn fast work, given that just last year the Pentagon was saying they had a deficit of 200 units.
>> And just for shits and giggles,
>> even though technically it isn't part of the military budget, let's not
>> forget the billions of dollars spent on medical care for tens of
>> thousands of Americans permanently ruined but not killed over there.
> Ok, you list a bunch of crap. I gave you numbers and examples.
> Why are you so intent on being right that you ignore actual facts?
> The FACT is, the difference between the FY 2010 and FY 2012 defense
> budgets was a TOTAL of 3%. You'll note that that ***includes*** both
> wars, and that the number is less than inflation.
Hardly a dramatic cut, is it? And of course, that's the amount allocated to the Department of Defense. There's virtually the entire nuclear program stashed under the Department of Energy, a bunch of proto-military stuff in DHS, and 'non-military' expenditures for private entities serving the military, whether custodial or transportation or even protection.
And of course, there is still the matter of all those injured vets.
> Once more; a FLAT defense budget INCLUDING two wars that had previously
> been conducted off the books. How is that not a pretty significant cut?
It didn't exactly stay off the books, did it? It was an accounting gimmick to downplay the size of the deficits, but it eventually was tabulated. It's not like the money simply vanished, unless you count those pallettes of $100 bills, or the billions lost in "rebuilding" in both Iraq and Afghanistan. (Oh, and before you leap to your paranoid defense of all things Democratic, I'll note that I don't blame Obama for that).
> There have also been two proposals for cuts; the first one was approved
> by Dems before we helped boot them out of office, and the second one was
> punted by the current House, thus kicking in the nuts your basic premise
> that "both parties" are basically the same regarding the defense budget.
I said that on matters military, both parties have spent like drunken sailors. Do you really think the Republicans have America outspending the rest of the world combined on military all on their own?
>> >> Now, if the Supercommittee default holds, then yes, there will be
>> >> significant cuts to the military, and Obama can take credit for
>> >> that. But the GOP are doing everything they can to renege on that,
>> >> or at least make political hay out of it.
>> > Last year alone saw $78 billion in cuts over the next five years, not
>> > including the end of the Iraq war. I'd call that significant. In
>> > fact, the GOP has been whining about that for a year; I'm surprised
>> > you hadn't heard.
>> The cuts are still being debated and haven't happened yet. What you're
>> hearing is preemptive whining.
> They HAVE happened. They went through before the Democrats left office.
> Jesus, I even gave you a link.
You have me a link to the debt ceiling deal--which I acknowledged prior to that. Even gave Obama credit for that. You're so intent on disagreeing you can't even discern where we're in agreement.
> You're wrong. GHWB was NOT the only one to cut defense, and Obama has
> cut it, actually pretty significantly.But then, your ilk seems to like
> trashing him as much as the wingnuts. You certainly seem just as willing
> to believe bullshit.
I don't see a 3% increase on the DoD increase as being much in the way of a cut. And I'm guessing the 3% includes the defaults from the failed turkey committee, which haven't happened yet.
> Bullshit doesn't turn into wisdom just because it's spouted by a
> liberal. Stop it.
>> >> > I would also point out that all of this is about the debt ceiling
>> >> > deal the GOP made, in which they agreed to cut the military by up
>> >> > to 25% if they couldn't come up with other cuts. They're now
>> >> > reneging on that, which Obama knew they would.
>> >> > Even on this, at this point in time, both parties are polar
>> >> > opposites. And comparing the current GOP with past iterations of
>> >> > the party doesn't work, anyway. Ronald Reagan would be "too
>> >> > liberal" for the current GOP.
> >>>On Thu, 17 May 2012 11:34:33 -0400, Mr.B1ack wrote:
> >>>> This is the end, the bitter end ...
> >>>> 'Austerity' ? We don't NEED no stinkin' 'austerity' ... famous last
> >>>> words dontchathink ? :-)
> >>>Yeah. If Europe had been listening and hadn't imposed austerity, this
> >>>wouldn't be happening.
> >>>> I see the fascist party has made significant gains already. How long
> >>>> before they're in charge ?
> >>>Next election is now set for June.
> >> Hmmm ... too soon maybe. Fascists need a period of social
> >> unrest/suffering so they can swoop in and promise to 'save' the
> >> country. Oh well, maybe the results of the June election will be crap
> >> too and there'll have to be another.
> >> Now by winter, the way money is fleeing Greece right now, yea ...
> >> there really MAY be some very serious 'unrest' going on. First the
> >> commies and fascists will have to have it out, then the winner takes
> >> all. Nobody will stop 'em ... a total Greek default will have the
> >> rest of europe in a tizzy and they'll have better things to worry
> >> about.
> >I might be wrong, but I'd kind of halfway anyway think maybe a system
> >might come out of all this where people basically realize more how things
> >really work....
> You're wrong. They WON'T admit how things really work,
> what MUST be done. Ideology and petty self interetst
> will prevail - creating disaster.
Heh....like you being unwilling to look at the economic and fiscal
differences between the 1960s and 2000s.
Again, you're just projecting your intellectual shortcomings.
> >>>>On Thu, 17 May 2012 11:34:33 -0400, Mr.B1ack wrote:
> >>>>> This is the end, the bitter end ...
> >>>>> 'Austerity' ? We don't NEED no stinkin' 'austerity' ... famous last
> >>>>> words dontchathink ? :-)
> >>>>Yeah. If Europe had been listening and hadn't imposed austerity, this
> >>>>wouldn't be happening.
> >>>>> I see the fascist party has made significant gains already. How long
> >>>>> before they're in charge ?
> >>>>Next election is now set for June.
> >>> Hmmm ... too soon maybe. Fascists need a period of social
> >>> unrest/suffering so they can swoop in and promise to 'save' the
> >>> country. Oh well, maybe the results of the June election will be
> >>> crap too and there'll have to be another.
> >>> Now by winter, the way money is fleeing Greece right now, yea ...
> >>> there really MAY be some very serious 'unrest' going on. First the
> >>> commies and fascists will have to have it out, then the winner
> >>> takes all. Nobody will stop 'em ... a total Greek default will have
> >>> the rest of europe in a tizzy and they'll have better things to
> >>> worry about.
> >>I might be wrong, but I'd kind of halfway anyway think maybe a system
> >>might come out of all this where people basically realize more how
> >>things really work....
> > You're wrong. They WON'T admit how things really work, what MUST be
> > done. Ideology and petty self interetst will prevail - creating
> > disaster.
> I wonder... Places like North Korea, the ex Warsaw pact are mostly
> gone... Even Cuba and North Korea (more radical) are going a little free
> market... North korea must be very confused... like, just when we
> thought, maybe go a little free market stuff starts falling apart...
> Thing is, the socialist nations haven't every done very great...
Ummmm, try mixing in a little political analysis with your musings.
Hint: Dictatorial government versus liberal governance.
> A lot of people just probably genetically don't have much sense about
> such things, but maybe 50% do... Those are probably the people ultimately
> who organize stuff... MOre of them realize, the free market stuff works,
> socialist stuff doens't...
"Free Market" huh? Compare the number of auto companies today versus
the auto heyday. Same for food prices. Pharma...etc. just about
anything you care to name.
The economic term for this is "Price Takers" versus "Price Setters".
I'll leave it up to you to understand it all.
> Even the news people probably realize it... so aren't helping out Obama
> with as much crazy/lying stuff. They care some about reality...
Ummmm, yeah....all that analysis of the consequences of Senate
Minority Leader McConnell's strategy of making sure Obama is a "one
term" president...announced before Obama even took the oath of office.
> That's what really, IMO, ended the USSR and socialist associated
> nations... People saw the world through VCR tapes, the sergeants and
> above, and realized, sociliasm produces really lousy results for people,
> in reality, but free markets or *something* in the West does well... So,
> they cared more about their nations, about people, than they did about
> ideas like sociliasm, even the socialism of their fathers and mothers...
> (their religion, so to speak...)
> Only, what really works.... precisely... and, nothing's perfect..
> Libertarian society isn't heaven... Just a lot less hell on average...
> plus, more of Heaven... if only a little more..
> Still, a comet could come and whack us... libertarians won't stop it
> right off - but maybe in 50 years... Give some time to build up some
> technology...
On May 18, 10:42 am, 2966 Dead <d...@gone.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 18 May 2012 05:19:27 -0700, linuxgal wrote:
> > Robert Fitzgerald wrote:
> >> Still, a comet could come and whack us... libertarians won't stop it
> >> right off - but maybe in 50 years... Give some time to build up some
> >> technology...
> > Or we could go with the Obama future, with bicycles, and cars that drive
> > on sidewalks, and let the comet get us.
> There you have it folks! A right wing cunt managed to whine
> simultaneously in one sentence that Obama wants us to develop advanced,
> superior technology, and that Obama won't let us develop advanced,
> superior technology!
> Slackfest wrote:
> > On 5/18/2012 9:42 AM, 2966 Dead wrote:
> >> On Fri, 18 May 2012 05:19:27 -0700, linuxgal wrote:
> >>> Robert Fitzgerald wrote:
> >>>> Still, a comet could come and whack us... libertarians won't stop it
> >>>> right off - but maybe in 50 years... Give some time to build up some
> >>>> technology...
> >>> Or we could go with the Obama future, with bicycles, and cars that drive
> >>> on sidewalks, and let the comet get us.
> >> There you have it folks! A right wing cunt managed to whine
> >> simultaneously in one sentence that Obama wants us to develop advanced,
> >> superior technology, and that Obama won't let us develop advanced,
> >> superior technology!
> If you think a bicycle is advanced technology,
Sometimes....check what they ride in the Olympics.
> >> >> >> >> >>>On Thu, 17 May 2012 12:23:20 -0500, D nk 42 wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >>>> On Thu, 17 May 2012 11:34:33 -0400, Mr.B1ack wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >>>>> This is the end, the bitter end ...
> >> >> >> >> >>>>> 'Austerity' ? We don't NEED no stinkin' 'austerity' ...
> >> >> >> >> >>>>> famous last words dontchathink ? :-)
> >> >> >> >> >>>>> I see the fascist party has made significant gains
> >> >> >> >> >>>>> already.
> >> >> >> >> >>>>> How long before they're in charge ?
> >> >> >> >> >>>> Adolf Hitler came to power in an era of hyperinflation,
> >> >> >> >> >>>> and under Nazi rule the German mark was strong. This is
> >> >> >> >> >>>> why Germany is so adamant about not devaluing the euro.
> >> >> >> >> >>>Oddly enough, nobody is talking about hyperinflation, not
> >> >> >> >> >>>for the euro or for the drachma.
> >> >> >> >> >>>I note that Germany's hyperinflation was triggered, in
> >> >> >> >> >>>large measure, by the very safe sort of austerity measures
> >> >> >> >> >>>the allies imposed on Germany after World War I.
> >> >> >> >> >>Lefties hate austerity... they want to spend, spend,
> >> >> >> >> >>spend...
> >> >> >> >> > So Pentagon generals are lefties ? :-)
> >> >> >> >> No, they're just big kids with expensive toys
> >> >> >> > The irony is, the generals don't want most of those "toys." But
> >> >> >> > their right wing Republican benefactors demand they take the
> >> >> >> > shit,
> >> >> >> > anyway.
> >> >> >> > Yes, I said it's Republicans who spend money like drunken
> >> >> >> > sailors,
> >> >> >> > not Democrats.
> >> >> >> Well, this is an instance where the favorite whine of right
> >> >> >> wingers when they're caught fucking up, "both parties do it"
> >> >> >> really DOES apply.
> >> >> >> The only President since Hoover to really trim the military was
> >> >> >> George HW Bush.
> >> >> > Oh, really. So, Truman and Eisenhower made no cuts, and we're
> >> >> > spending as much in constant dollars as we did during WWII?
> >> >> > Really?
> >> >> OK. Point.
> >> >> Also, just as> many cuts were made under Clinton, and there have
> >> >> been significant cuts
> >> >> > during Obama's administration. You know, like taking one whole
> >> >> > war out of the picture; the one Republicans have been whining
> >> >> > about since. Of course, presidents can't trim the military,
> >> >> > anyway. They can recommend cuts, but only Congress can make them.
> >> >> Ending Iraq hasn't resulted in anything in the way of military cuts
> >> >> to date.
> >> > Oh, really? So, the Iraq War cost us nothing now? Last I heard, it
> >> > and Afghanistan cost us about $3 trillion, and most of that was for
> >> > Iraq. Suddenly, we're spending next to nothing on Iraq.
> >> The money simply transferred back to Afghanistan.
> > No, it didn't.
> >> Or went to reprovisioning and restocking.
> > Nope again.
> >> Let's not forget all the light armor that
> >> got destroyed and needs to be replaced.
> > It was replaced.
> Damn fast work, given that just last year the Pentagon was saying they
> had a deficit of 200 units.
Cite it. Last one I saw was about three years ago.
> >> And just for shits and giggles,
> >> even though technically it isn't part of the military budget, let's not
> >> forget the billions of dollars spent on medical care for tens of
> >> thousands of Americans permanently ruined but not killed over there.
> > Ok, you list a bunch of crap. I gave you numbers and examples.
> > Why are you so intent on being right that you ignore actual facts?
> > The FACT is, the difference between the FY 2010 and FY 2012 defense
> > budgets was a TOTAL of 3%. You'll note that that ***includes*** both
> > wars, and that the number is less than inflation.
> Hardly a dramatic cut, is it? And of course, that's the amount allocated
> to the Department of Defense. There's virtually the entire nuclear
> program stashed under the Department of Energy, a bunch of proto-military
> stuff in DHS, and 'non-military' expenditures for private entities
> serving the military, whether custodial or transportation or even
> protection.
Yawn. The 3% INCLUDES both wars, which were previously off the books.
> And of course, there is still the matter of all those injured vets.
> > Once more; a FLAT defense budget INCLUDING two wars that had previously
> > been conducted off the books. How is that not a pretty significant cut?
> It didn't exactly stay off the books, did it? It was an accounting
> gimmick to downplay the size of the deficits, but it eventually was
> tabulated. It's not like the money simply vanished, unless you count
> those pallettes of $100 bills, or the billions lost in "rebuilding" in
> both Iraq and Afghanistan. (Oh, and before you leap to your paranoid
> defense of all things Democratic, I'll note that I don't blame Obama for
> that).
> > There have also been two proposals for cuts; the first one was approved
> > by Dems before we helped boot them out of office, and the second one was
> > punted by the current House, thus kicking in the nuts your basic premise
> > that "both parties" are basically the same regarding the defense budget.
> I said that on matters military, both parties have spent like drunken
> sailors. Do you really think the Republicans have America outspending
> the rest of the world combined on military all on their own?
YES!!!!!! You've been on here prattling on about the right wing for 16
years, and you don't think they have any influence over government?
The government's been dominated by ever-more-radicalized neocons for
the last 32 years. Haven't you noticed? Jesus, you LOVE to talk
politics, but you sure as shit don't know much about it.
Out of 32 years, Republicans have been in the White House 20 of them,
which means they controlled both ends of the process. In the other 12
years, Clinton had control for eight, but he only had a Democratic
Congress for two. And yet, the defense budget dropped during his term.
Bush, OTOH, exploded the shit out of it for six years. The Democratic
Congress helped a bit when they got in, but the economy was imploding.
And Obama was kinda preoccupied with keeping us out of a Depression
when he took office; did you really expect him to gut the military,
and put even MORE people out of work? And perhaps you heard, but the
far left fucked up in 2010, and handed the House back to the GOP. How
many defense cuts do you imagine Obama will be able to get through
now? He's tried killing a few weapons programs, but they reinstate
them. And he can't just shut down the military while he fights with
them.
If you had been paying attention, during the last Congress (which you
guys whined about for two fucking years!) there were a number of
proposals to offer subsidies to encourage retrofitting some defense
plants and other factories, to turn them into alternative energy
plants. THAT is how you solve the problem. You can't just lop off 3-4
weapons systems overnight, especially when unemployment is around 8%.
See, you apparently only see weapons. What you fail to see are
individual workers (some even union) building those weapons and making
damned good money doing so. And, right now you have a Congress that is
being hamstrung by radicals, whom you claim are "the same" as the
Democrats. They block everything good Obama has tried to do. How would
you like Democrats to make large defense cuts right now, with a
radical Congress that won't even pass a jobs bill?
I swear, all of this "both parties are the same" bullshit really chaps
me. How do you call yourself a "political junkie" or a "news junkie"
and not even notice that one party has become completely radicalized?
When you and your far left brethren rail about both parties being the
same, not only are you full of shit, but moderate swing voters only
hear that message, and they think Democrats and Republicans are two
sides of the same coin, which is, of course, complete and utter
horseshit. Seriously; what people HEAR is, John Boehner and Nancy
Pelosi are the same. Really? Are they?
I'm trying to figure out if you're just so gullible that you believe
everything the left wing bloggers tell you, or you've been blustering
on Usenet for so long, it's clouded your judgment. But surely you have
to have noticed that Ronald Reagan would be too "liberal" for today's
GOP.
Democrats would cut defense, but do so smartly, which you would whine
about, because you have the same problem right wingers have; you don't
understand where defense money goes. Obama proposed cutting several
weapons systems last year, including the F-22, which is useless, and
the current GOP House put it back. Of course, you wouldn't have
noticed that, because you and your ilk were obsessing over the 1 page
section of the NDAA dealing with "indefinite detention" and ignoring
everything else in it.
If Republicans take charge again, they would once again
...
> On Fri, 18 May 2012 14:36:48 -0700 (PDT), Milt <milt.sh...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >On May 18, 5:43 am, Steve <stevencan...@yahooooo.com> wrote:
> >> On Thu, 17 May 2012 19:06:42 -0700 (PDT), Milt <milt.sh...@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> >On May 17, 9:34 pm, Steve <stevencan...@yahooooo.com> wrote:
> >> >> On Thu, 17 May 2012 21:33:54 -0400, Mr.B1ack <b...@barrk.net> wrote:
> >> >> >Steve <stevencan...@yahooooo.com> wrote:
> >> >> >>On Thu, 17 May 2012 20:22:57 +0000 (UTC), 2966 Dead <d...@gone.com>
> >> >> >>wrote:
> >> >> >>>On Thu, 17 May 2012 12:23:20 -0500, D nk 42 wrote:
> >> >> >>>> On Thu, 17 May 2012 11:34:33 -0400, Mr.B1ack wrote:
> >> >> >>>>> This is the end, the bitter end ...
> >> >> >>>>> 'Austerity' ? We don't NEED no stinkin' 'austerity' ... famous last
> >> >> >>>>> words dontchathink ? :-)
> >> >> >>>>> I see the fascist party has made significant gains already. How long
> >> >> >>>>> before they're in charge ?
> >> >> >>>> Adolf Hitler came to power in an era of hyperinflation, and under Nazi
> >> >> >>>> rule the German mark was strong. This is why Germany is so adamant
> >> >> >>>> about not devaluing the euro.
> >> >> >>>Oddly enough, nobody is talking about hyperinflation, not for the euro or
> >> >> >>>for the drachma.
> >> >> >>>I note that Germany's hyperinflation was triggered, in large measure, by
> >> >> >>>the very safe sort of austerity measures the allies imposed on Germany
> >> >> >>>after World War I.
> >> >> >>Lefties hate austerity... they want to spend, spend, spend...
> >> >> > So Pentagon generals are lefties ? :-)
> >> >> No, they're just big kids with expensive toys
> >> >The irony is, the generals don't want most of those "toys." But their
> >> >right wing Republican benefactors demand they take the shit, anyway.
> >> <LOL> Now Milt imagines he can speak for the military leadership.
> >And Google "F-22," fucktard. Navy pilots refuse to fly it, and the
> >Pentagon has been asking that the program be killed for years, but
> >Republicans have blocked every attempt to do so.
> Nobody has refused to fly it and no, the pentagon has not been asking
> to kill it.. Milt should try reading something other than the leftist
> bloggers...
>On May 18, 6:06 pm, Steve <stevencan...@yahooooo.com> wrote:
>> On Fri, 18 May 2012 14:36:48 -0700 (PDT), Milt <milt.sh...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >On May 18, 5:43 am, Steve <stevencan...@yahooooo.com> wrote:
>> >> On Thu, 17 May 2012 19:06:42 -0700 (PDT), Milt <milt.sh...@gmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> >On May 17, 9:34 pm, Steve <stevencan...@yahooooo.com> wrote:
>> >> >> On Thu, 17 May 2012 21:33:54 -0400, Mr.B1ack <b...@barrk.net> wrote:
>> >> >> >Steve <stevencan...@yahooooo.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >>On Thu, 17 May 2012 20:22:57 +0000 (UTC), 2966 Dead <d...@gone.com>
>> >> >> >>wrote:
>> >> >> >>>On Thu, 17 May 2012 12:23:20 -0500, D nk 42 wrote:
>> >> >> >>>> On Thu, 17 May 2012 11:34:33 -0400, Mr.B1ack wrote:
>> >> >> >>>>> This is the end, the bitter end ...
>> >> >> >>>>> 'Austerity' ? We don't NEED no stinkin' 'austerity' ... famous last
>> >> >> >>>>> words dontchathink ? :-)
>> >> >> >>>>> I see the fascist party has made significant gains already. How long
>> >> >> >>>>> before they're in charge ?
>> >> >> >>>> Adolf Hitler came to power in an era of hyperinflation, and under Nazi
>> >> >> >>>> rule the German mark was strong. This is why Germany is so adamant
>> >> >> >>>> about not devaluing the euro.
>> >> >> >>>Oddly enough, nobody is talking about hyperinflation, not for the euro or
>> >> >> >>>for the drachma.
>> >> >> >>>I note that Germany's hyperinflation was triggered, in large measure, by
>> >> >> >>>the very safe sort of austerity measures the allies imposed on Germany
>> >> >> >>>after World War I.
>> >> >> >>Lefties hate austerity... they want to spend, spend, spend...
>> >> >> > So Pentagon generals are lefties ? :-)
>> >> >> No, they're just big kids with expensive toys
>> >> >The irony is, the generals don't want most of those "toys." But their
>> >> >right wing Republican benefactors demand they take the shit, anyway.
>> >> <LOL> Now Milt imagines he can speak for the military leadership.
>> >And Google "F-22," fucktard. Navy pilots refuse to fly it, and the
>> >Pentagon has been asking that the program be killed for years, but
>> >Republicans have blocked every attempt to do so.
>> Nobody has refused to fly it and no, the pentagon has not been asking
>> to kill it.. Milt should try reading something other than the leftist
>> bloggers...
>If you're going to talk politics with people, shouldn't you have at
>least a passing knowledge of what's going on in the world?
"Turning down the opportunity to fly it" is rather different from
refusing to fly it and since the number of them is not specified, it's
really not an issue. Suffice it to say that there are plenty of
pilots that have no problem flying it.
> On Mon, 21 May 2012 07:29:35 -0700 (PDT), Milt <milt.sh...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >On May 18, 6:06 pm, Steve <stevencan...@yahooooo.com> wrote:
> >> On Fri, 18 May 2012 14:36:48 -0700 (PDT), Milt <milt.sh...@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> >On May 18, 5:43 am, Steve <stevencan...@yahooooo.com> wrote:
> >> >> On Thu, 17 May 2012 19:06:42 -0700 (PDT), Milt <milt.sh...@gmail.com>
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >> >On May 17, 9:34 pm, Steve <stevencan...@yahooooo.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> On Thu, 17 May 2012 21:33:54 -0400, Mr.B1ack <b...@barrk.net> wrote:
> >> >> >> >Steve <stevencan...@yahooooo.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> >>On Thu, 17 May 2012 20:22:57 +0000 (UTC), 2966 Dead <d...@gone.com>
> >> >> >> >>wrote:
> >> >> >> >>>On Thu, 17 May 2012 12:23:20 -0500, D nk 42 wrote:
> >> >> >> >>>> On Thu, 17 May 2012 11:34:33 -0400, Mr.B1ack wrote:
> >> >> >> >>>>> This is the end, the bitter end ...
> >> >> >> >>>>> 'Austerity' ? We don't NEED no stinkin' 'austerity' ... famous last
> >> >> >> >>>>> words dontchathink ? :-)
> >> >> >> >>>>> I see the fascist party has made significant gains already. How long
> >> >> >> >>>>> before they're in charge ?
> >> >> >> >>>> Adolf Hitler came to power in an era of hyperinflation, and under Nazi
> >> >> >> >>>> rule the German mark was strong. This is why Germany is so adamant
> >> >> >> >>>> about not devaluing the euro.
> >> >> >> >>>Oddly enough, nobody is talking about hyperinflation, not for the euro or
> >> >> >> >>>for the drachma.
> >> >> >> >>>I note that Germany's hyperinflation was triggered, in large measure, by
> >> >> >> >>>the very safe sort of austerity measures the allies imposed on Germany
> >> >> >> >>>after World War I.
> >> >> >> >>Lefties hate austerity... they want to spend, spend, spend...
> >> >> >> > So Pentagon generals are lefties ? :-)
> >> >> >> No, they're just big kids with expensive toys
> >> >> >The irony is, the generals don't want most of those "toys." But their
> >> >> >right wing Republican benefactors demand they take the shit, anyway.
> >> >> <LOL> Now Milt imagines he can speak for the military leadership.
> >> >And Google "F-22," fucktard. Navy pilots refuse to fly it, and the
> >> >Pentagon has been asking that the program be killed for years, but
> >> >Republicans have blocked every attempt to do so.
> >> Nobody has refused to fly it and no, the pentagon has not been asking
> >> to kill it.. Milt should try reading something other than the leftist
> >> bloggers...
> >If you're going to talk politics with people, shouldn't you have at
> >least a passing knowledge of what's going on in the world?
> "Turning down the opportunity to fly it" is rather different from
> refusing to fly it and since the number of them is not specified, it's
> really not an issue. Suffice it to say that there are plenty of
> pilots that have no problem flying it.
You fucking idiot. They are REFUSING to fly it. Every single article
says so.
Why do you insist on being openly stupid? Oh, right; that's why you're
anonymous; you can be as dumb as you want and never have to answer for
it.
Why do you insist on being stupid?
>On May 21, 11:35 am, Steve <stevencan...@yahooooo.com> wrote:
>> On Mon, 21 May 2012 07:29:35 -0700 (PDT), Milt <milt.sh...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >On May 18, 6:06 pm, Steve <stevencan...@yahooooo.com> wrote:
>> >> On Fri, 18 May 2012 14:36:48 -0700 (PDT), Milt <milt.sh...@gmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> >On May 18, 5:43 am, Steve <stevencan...@yahooooo.com> wrote:
>> >> >> On Thu, 17 May 2012 19:06:42 -0700 (PDT), Milt <milt.sh...@gmail.com>
>> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >> >On May 17, 9:34 pm, Steve <stevencan...@yahooooo.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >> On Thu, 17 May 2012 21:33:54 -0400, Mr.B1ack <b...@barrk.net> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >Steve <stevencan...@yahooooo.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >>On Thu, 17 May 2012 20:22:57 +0000 (UTC), 2966 Dead <d...@gone.com>
>> >> >> >> >>wrote:
>> >> >> >> >>>On Thu, 17 May 2012 12:23:20 -0500, D nk 42 wrote:
>> >> >> >> >>>> On Thu, 17 May 2012 11:34:33 -0400, Mr.B1ack wrote:
>> >> >> >> >>>>> This is the end, the bitter end ...
>> >> >> >> >>>>> 'Austerity' ? We don't NEED no stinkin' 'austerity' ... famous last
>> >> >> >> >>>>> words dontchathink ? :-)
>> >> >> >> >>>>> I see the fascist party has made significant gains already. How long
>> >> >> >> >>>>> before they're in charge ?
>> >> >> >> >>>> Adolf Hitler came to power in an era of hyperinflation, and under Nazi
>> >> >> >> >>>> rule the German mark was strong. This is why Germany is so adamant
>> >> >> >> >>>> about not devaluing the euro.
>> >> >> >> >>>Oddly enough, nobody is talking about hyperinflation, not for the euro or
>> >> >> >> >>>for the drachma.
>> >> >> >> >>>I note that Germany's hyperinflation was triggered, in large measure, by
>> >> >> >> >>>the very safe sort of austerity measures the allies imposed on Germany
>> >> >> >> >>>after World War I.
>> >> >> >> >>Lefties hate austerity... they want to spend, spend, spend...
>> >> >> >> > So Pentagon generals are lefties ? :-)
>> >> >> >> No, they're just big kids with expensive toys
>> >> >> >The irony is, the generals don't want most of those "toys." But their
>> >> >> >right wing Republican benefactors demand they take the shit, anyway.
>> >> >> <LOL> Now Milt imagines he can speak for the military leadership.
>> >> >And Google "F-22," fucktard. Navy pilots refuse to fly it, and the
>> >> >Pentagon has been asking that the program be killed for years, but
>> >> >Republicans have blocked every attempt to do so.
>> >> Nobody has refused to fly it and no, the pentagon has not been asking
>> >> to kill it.. Milt should try reading something other than the leftist
>> >> bloggers...
>> >If you're going to talk politics with people, shouldn't you have at
>> >least a passing knowledge of what's going on in the world?
>> "Turning down the opportunity to fly it" is rather different from
>> refusing to fly it and since the number of them is not specified, it's
>> really not an issue. Suffice it to say that there are plenty of
>> pilots that have no problem flying it.
>You fucking idiot. They are REFUSING to fly it. Every single article
>says so.
Those leftist blogs don't count, Shook. The only article that counts
says some unspecified number of pilots are "turning down the
opportunity to fly it."
>Why do you insist on being openly stupid? Oh, right; that's why you're
>anonymous; you can be as dumb as you want and never have to answer for
>it
<LOL> Anonymous??? Why Milly, didn't you say you knew who I was? Oh
wait, that was another of Shook's many lies..
.
>Why do you insist on being stupid?
That's from Milt Shook who says:
See, when you turn on your GPS, that delay is the satellite
communicating with the GPS device to tell you where you are. It's not
possible to do that by simply receiving a signal; it has to send one,
too. --Milt Shook
> >> >> >> >> >>>On Thu, 17 May 2012 12:23:20 -0500, D nk 42 wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >>>> On Thu, 17 May 2012 11:34:33 -0400, Mr.B1ack wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >>>>> This is the end, the bitter end ...
> >> >> >> >> >>>>> 'Austerity' ? We don't NEED no stinkin' 'austerity' ... famous last
> >> >> >> >> >>>>> words dontchathink ? :-)
> >> >> >> >> >>>>> I see the fascist party has made significant gains already. How long
> >> >> >> >> >>>>> before they're in charge ?
> >> >> >> >> >>>> Adolf Hitler came to power in an era of hyperinflation, and under Nazi
> >> >> >> >> >>>> rule the German mark was strong. This is why Germany is so adamant
> >> >> >> >> >>>> about not devaluing the euro.
> >> >> >> >> >>>Oddly enough, nobody is talking about hyperinflation, not for the euro or
> >> >> >> >> >>>for the drachma.
> >> >> >> >> >>>I note that Germany's hyperinflation was triggered, in large measure, by
> >> >> >> >> >>>the very safe sort of austerity measures the allies imposed on Germany
> >> >> >> >> >>>after World War I.
> >> >> >> >> >>Lefties hate austerity... they want to spend, spend, spend...
> >> >> >> >> > So Pentagon generals are lefties ? :-)
> >> >> >> >> No, they're just big kids with expensive toys
> >> >> >> >The irony is, the generals don't want most of those "toys." But their
> >> >> >> >right wing Republican benefactors demand they take the shit, anyway.
> >> >> >> <LOL> Now Milt imagines he can speak for the military leadership.
> >> >> >Nope. They speak for themselves just fine.
> >> >> >And Google "F-22," fucktard. Navy pilots refuse to fly it, and the
> >> >> >Pentagon has been asking that the program be killed for years, but
> >> >> >Republicans have blocked every attempt to do so.
> >> >> Nobody has refused to fly it and no, the pentagon has not been asking
> >> >> to kill it.. Milt should try reading something other than the leftist
> >> >> bloggers...
> >> >If you're going to talk politics with people, shouldn't you have at
> >> >least a passing knowledge of what's going on in the world?
> >> "Turning down the opportunity to fly it" is rather different from
> >> refusing to fly it and since the number of them is not specified, it's
> >> really not an issue. Suffice it to say that there are plenty of
> >> pilots that have no problem flying it.
> >You fucking idiot. They are REFUSING to fly it. Every single article
> >says so.
> Those leftist blogs don't count, Shook. The only article that counts
> says some unspecified number of pilots are "turning down the
> opportunity to fly it."
First of all, Stars and Stripes is not a leftist blog.
As you can see, there are hundreds of news stories about this,
including many from right-wing sources.
Second of all, WTF do you think "turning down the opportunity to fly
it" means in USAF terms? It means they're refusing to fly it, you
fucking nitwit. They're told to fly it and they're refusing the
order.
> >Why do you insist on being openly stupid? Oh, right; that's why you're
> >anonymous; you can be as dumb as you want and never have to answer for
> >it
> <LOL> Anonymous??? Why Milly, didn't you say you knew who I was? Oh
> wait, that was another of Shook's many lies..
Maybe I do, maybe I don't. That doesn't mean you're not anonymous, you
fucking loon. Do you have a basic understanding of anything?
>> >> >> >> >> >>>On Thu, 17 May 2012 12:23:20 -0500, D nk 42 wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> On Thu, 17 May 2012 11:34:33 -0400, Mr.B1ack wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >>>>> This is the end, the bitter end ...
>> >> >> >> >> >>>>> 'Austerity' ? We don't NEED no stinkin' 'austerity' ... famous last
>> >> >> >> >> >>>>> words dontchathink ? :-)
>> >> >> >> >> >>>>> I see the fascist party has made significant gains already. How long
>> >> >> >> >> >>>>> before they're in charge ?
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> Adolf Hitler came to power in an era of hyperinflation, and under Nazi
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> rule the German mark was strong. This is why Germany is so adamant
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> about not devaluing the euro.
>> >> >> >> >> >>>Oddly enough, nobody is talking about hyperinflation, not for the euro or
>> >> >> >> >> >>>for the drachma.
>> >> >> >> >> >>>I note that Germany's hyperinflation was triggered, in large measure, by
>> >> >> >> >> >>>the very safe sort of austerity measures the allies imposed on Germany
>> >> >> >> >> >>>after World War I.
>> >> >> >> >> >>Lefties hate austerity... they want to spend, spend, spend...
>> >> >> >> >> > So Pentagon generals are lefties ? :-)
>> >> >> >> >> No, they're just big kids with expensive toys
>> >> >> >> >The irony is, the generals don't want most of those "toys." But their
>> >> >> >> >right wing Republican benefactors demand they take the shit, anyway.
>> >> >> >> <LOL> Now Milt imagines he can speak for the military leadership.
>> >> >> >Nope. They speak for themselves just fine.
>> >> >> >And Google "F-22," fucktard. Navy pilots refuse to fly it, and the
>> >> >> >Pentagon has been asking that the program be killed for years, but
>> >> >> >Republicans have blocked every attempt to do so.
>> >> >> Nobody has refused to fly it and no, the pentagon has not been asking
>> >> >> to kill it.. Milt should try reading something other than the leftist
>> >> >> bloggers...
>> >> >If you're going to talk politics with people, shouldn't you have at
>> >> >least a passing knowledge of what's going on in the world?
>> >> "Turning down the opportunity to fly it" is rather different from
>> >> refusing to fly it and since the number of them is not specified, it's
>> >> really not an issue. Suffice it to say that there are plenty of
>> >> pilots that have no problem flying it.
>> >You fucking idiot. They are REFUSING to fly it. Every single article
>> >says so.
>> Those leftist blogs don't count, Shook. The only article that counts
>> says some unspecified number of pilots are "turning down the
>> opportunity to fly it."
>First of all, Stars and Stripes is not a leftist blog.
>As you can see, there are hundreds of news stories about this,
>including many from right-wing sources.
>Second of all, WTF do you think "turning down the opportunity to fly
>it" means in USAF terms? It means they're refusing to fly it, you
>fucking nitwit. They're told to fly it and they're refusing the
>order.
>> >Why do you insist on being openly stupid? Oh, right; that's why you're
>> >anonymous; you can be as dumb as you want and never have to answer for
>> >it
>> <LOL> Anonymous??? Why Milly, didn't you say you knew who I was? Oh
>> wait, that was another of Shook's many lies..
>Maybe I do, maybe I don't.
<LOL> You don't, Dummy. Face it, Shook, you were born clueless and
you've been going downhill ever since..
> That doesn't mean you're not anonymous, you
Shook is pissed off because I mentioned his homosexual activities..
Shook doesn't want that to get out...
>fucking loon. Do you have a basic understanding of anything?
That's from Milt Shook who says:
Depends on which [Bloom fuel cell] Box you use. I agree the 60 minutes report is
sketchy, but one of them runs on oxygen -- the one they're touting
most highly and the one that powers Google and FedEx simply uses
oxygen.
--Milt Shook
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.society.liberalism/msg/dd0839b4d74...
> >> >> >> >> >> >>>On Thu, 17 May 2012 12:23:20 -0500, D nk 42 wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> >>>> On Thu, 17 May 2012 11:34:33 -0400, Mr.B1ack wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>> This is the end, the bitter end ...
> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>> 'Austerity' ? We don't NEED no stinkin' 'austerity' ... famous last
> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>> words dontchathink ? :-)
> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>> I see the fascist party has made significant gains already. How long
> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>> before they're in charge ?
> >> >> >> >> >> >>>> Adolf Hitler came to power in an era of hyperinflation, and under Nazi
> >> >> >> >> >> >>>> rule the German mark was strong. This is why Germany is so adamant
> >> >> >> >> >> >>>> about not devaluing the euro.
> >> >> >> >> >> >>>Oddly enough, nobody is talking about hyperinflation, not for the euro or
> >> >> >> >> >> >>>for the drachma.
> >> >> >> >> >> >>>I note that Germany's hyperinflation was triggered, in large measure, by
> >> >> >> >> >> >>>the very safe sort of austerity measures the allies imposed on Germany
> >> >> >> >> >> >>>after World War I.
> >> >> >> >> >> >>Lefties hate austerity... they want to spend, spend, spend...
> >> >> >> >> >> > So Pentagon generals are lefties ? :-)
> >> >> >> >> >> No, they're just big kids with expensive toys
> >> >> >> >> >The irony is, the generals don't want most of those "toys." But their
> >> >> >> >> >right wing Republican benefactors demand they take the shit, anyway.
> >> >> >> >> <LOL> Now Milt imagines he can speak for the military leadership.
> >> >> >> >Nope. They speak for themselves just fine.
> >> >> >> >And Google "F-22," fucktard. Navy pilots refuse to fly it, and the
> >> >> >> >Pentagon has been asking that the program be killed for years, but
> >> >> >> >Republicans have blocked every attempt to do so.
> >> >> >> Nobody has refused to fly it and no, the pentagon has not been asking
> >> >> >> to kill it.. Milt should try reading something other than the leftist
> >> >> >> bloggers...
> >> >> >If you're going to talk politics with people, shouldn't you have at
> >> >> >least a passing knowledge of what's going on in the world?
> >> >> "Turning down the opportunity to fly it" is rather different from
> >> >> refusing to fly it and since the number of them is not specified, it's
> >> >> really not an issue. Suffice it to say that there are plenty of
> >> >> pilots that have no problem flying it.
> >> >You fucking idiot. They are REFUSING to fly it. Every single article
> >> >says so.
> >> Those leftist blogs don't count, Shook. The only article that counts
> >> says some unspecified number of pilots are "turning down the
> >> opportunity to fly it."
> >First of all, Stars and Stripes is not a leftist blog.
> >Here's a Google search, you simple-minded fool:
> >As you can see, there are hundreds of news stories about this,
> >including many from right-wing sources.
> >Second of all, WTF do you think "turning down the opportunity to fly
> >it" means in USAF terms? It means they're refusing to fly it, you
> >fucking nitwit. They're told to fly it and they're refusing the
> >order.
> >> >Why do you insist on being openly stupid? Oh, right; that's why you're
> >> >anonymous; you can be as dumb as you want and never have to answer for
> >> >it
> >> <LOL> Anonymous??? Why Milly, didn't you say you knew who I was? Oh
> >> wait, that was another of Shook's many lies..
> >Maybe I do, maybe I don't.
> <LOL> You don't, Dummy. Face it, Shook, you were born clueless and
> you've been going downhill ever since..
You hope I don't. You are so desperately afraid that someone might
find out who you are, it's funny.
I would never out anyone, even if they asked me to, because that's not
what I do. So, you'll never find out one way or another.
> > That doesn't mean you're not anonymous, you
> Shook is pissed off because I mentioned his homosexual activities..
> Shook doesn't want that to get out...
I'm not gay. If I was, I'd freely admit it. I have no problem with it,
as long as I don't have to watch them have sex.
I find it telling that you think calling me that is an insult. When do
you graduate middle school?
>> >> >> >> >> >> >>>On Thu, 17 May 2012 12:23:20 -0500, D nk 42 wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >> >>>> On Thu, 17 May 2012 11:34:33 -0400, Mr.B1ack wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>> This is the end, the bitter end ...
>> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>> 'Austerity' ? We don't NEED no stinkin' 'austerity' ... famous last
>> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>> words dontchathink ? :-)
>> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>> I see the fascist party has made significant gains already. How long
>> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>> before they're in charge ?
>> >> >> >> >> >> >>>> Adolf Hitler came to power in an era of hyperinflation, and under Nazi
>> >> >> >> >> >> >>>> rule the German mark was strong. This is why Germany is so adamant
>> >> >> >> >> >> >>>> about not devaluing the euro.
>> >> >> >> >> >> >>>Oddly enough, nobody is talking about hyperinflation, not for the euro or
>> >> >> >> >> >> >>>for the drachma.
>> >> >> >> >> >> >>>I note that Germany's hyperinflation was triggered, in large measure, by
>> >> >> >> >> >> >>>the very safe sort of austerity measures the allies imposed on Germany
>> >> >> >> >> >> >>>after World War I.
>> >> >> >> >> >> >>Lefties hate austerity... they want to spend, spend, spend...
>> >> >> >> >> >> > So Pentagon generals are lefties ? :-)
>> >> >> >> >> >> No, they're just big kids with expensive toys
>> >> >> >> >> >The irony is, the generals don't want most of those "toys." But their
>> >> >> >> >> >right wing Republican benefactors demand they take the shit, anyway.
>> >> >> >> >> <LOL> Now Milt imagines he can speak for the military leadership.
>> >> >> >> >Nope. They speak for themselves just fine.
>> >> >> >> >And Google "F-22," fucktard. Navy pilots refuse to fly it, and the
>> >> >> >> >Pentagon has been asking that the program be killed for years, but
>> >> >> >> >Republicans have blocked every attempt to do so.
>> >> >> >> Nobody has refused to fly it and no, the pentagon has not been asking
>> >> >> >> to kill it.. Milt should try reading something other than the leftist
>> >> >> >> bloggers...
>> >> >> >If you're going to talk politics with people, shouldn't you have at
>> >> >> >least a passing knowledge of what's going on in the world?
>> >> >> "Turning down the opportunity to fly it" is rather different from
>> >> >> refusing to fly it and since the number of them is not specified, it's
>> >> >> really not an issue. Suffice it to say that there are plenty of
>> >> >> pilots that have no problem flying it.
>> >> >You fucking idiot. They are REFUSING to fly it. Every single article
>> >> >says so.
>> >> Those leftist blogs don't count, Shook. The only article that counts
>> >> says some unspecified number of pilots are "turning down the
>> >> opportunity to fly it."
>> >First of all, Stars and Stripes is not a leftist blog.
>> >Here's a Google search, you simple-minded fool:
>> >As you can see, there are hundreds of news stories about this,
>> >including many from right-wing sources.
>> >Second of all, WTF do you think "turning down the opportunity to fly
>> >it" means in USAF terms? It means they're refusing to fly it, you
>> >fucking nitwit. They're told to fly it and they're refusing the
>> >order.
>> >> >Why do you insist on being openly stupid? Oh, right; that's why you're
>> >> >anonymous; you can be as dumb as you want and never have to answer for
>> >> >it
>> >> <LOL> Anonymous??? Why Milly, didn't you say you knew who I was? Oh
>> >> wait, that was another of Shook's many lies..
>> >Maybe I do, maybe I don't.
>> <LOL> You don't, Dummy. Face it, Shook, you were born clueless and
>> you've been going downhill ever since..
>You hope I don't. You are so desperately afraid that someone might
>find out who you are, it's funny.
I know that you don't and I'm not the least bit concerned that you or
anybody else will...
>I would never out anyone, even if they asked me to, because that's not
>what I do. So, you'll never find out one way or another.
<chuckle> I already know you don't have a clue, Shook. I also know
that you live in a total fog, imagining that your silly blogs and
amateur level, vanity press published books are something to brag
about.
>> Shook is pissed off because I mentioned his homosexual activities..
>> Shook doesn't want that to get out...
>I'm not gay. If I was, I'd freely admit it. I have no problem with it,
>as long as I don't have to watch them have sex.
Shook swings in both directions... I think he's prefer women but he's
never been able to find a women that'd let him arms length to... so
he swings the other way every now and then.
>I find it telling that you think calling me that is an insult. When do
>you graduate middle school?
It's not an insult, Shook, it's just a case of me letting you know
what I know...
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>On Thu, 17 May 2012 12:23:20 -0500, D nk 42 wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>> On Thu, 17 May 2012 11:34:33 -0400, Mr.B1ack wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>> This is the end, the bitter end ...
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>> 'Austerity' ? We don't NEED no stinkin' 'austerity' ... famous last
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>> words dontchathink ? :-)
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>> I see the fascist party has made significant gains already. How long
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>> before they're in charge ?
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>> Adolf Hitler came to power in an era of hyperinflation, and under Nazi
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>> rule the German mark was strong. This is why Germany is so adamant
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>> about not devaluing the euro.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>Oddly enough, nobody is talking about hyperinflation, not for the euro or
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>for the drachma.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>I note that Germany's hyperinflation was triggered, in large measure, by
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>the very safe sort of austerity measures the allies imposed on Germany
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>after World War I.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>Lefties hate austerity... they want to spend, spend, spend...
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > So Pentagon generals are lefties ? :-)
> >> >> >> >> >> >> No, they're just big kids with expensive toys
> >> >> >> >> >> >The irony is, the generals don't want most of those "toys." But their
> >> >> >> >> >> >right wing Republican benefactors demand they take the shit, anyway.
> >> >> >> >> >> <LOL> Now Milt imagines he can speak for the military leadership.
> >> >> >> >> >Nope. They speak for themselves just fine.
> >> >> >> >> >And Google "F-22," fucktard. Navy pilots refuse to fly it, and the
> >> >> >> >> >Pentagon has been asking that the program be killed for years, but
> >> >> >> >> >Republicans have blocked every attempt to do so.
> >> >> >> >> Nobody has refused to fly it and no, the pentagon has not been asking
> >> >> >> >> to kill it.. Milt should try reading something other than the leftist
> >> >> >> >> bloggers...
> >> >> >> >If you're going to talk politics with people, shouldn't you have at
> >> >> >> >least a passing knowledge of what's going on in the world?
> >> >> >> "Turning down the opportunity to fly it" is rather different from
> >> >> >> refusing to fly it and since the number of them is not specified, it's
> >> >> >> really not an issue. Suffice it to say that there are plenty of
> >> >> >> pilots that have no problem flying it.
> >> >> >You fucking idiot. They are REFUSING to fly it. Every single article
> >> >> >says so.
> >> >> Those leftist blogs don't count, Shook. The only article that counts
> >> >> says some unspecified number of pilots are "turning down the
> >> >> opportunity to fly it."
> >> >First of all, Stars and Stripes is not a leftist blog.
> >> >Here's a Google search, you simple-minded fool:
> >> >As you can see, there are hundreds of news stories about this,
> >> >including many from right-wing sources.
> >> >Second of all, WTF do you think "turning down the opportunity to fly
> >> >it" means in USAF terms? It means they're refusing to fly it, you
> >> >fucking nitwit. They're told to fly it and they're refusing the
> >> >order.
> >> >> >Why do you insist on being openly stupid? Oh, right; that's why you're
> >> >> >anonymous; you can be as dumb as you want and never have to answer for
> >> >> >it
> >> >> <LOL> Anonymous??? Why Milly, didn't you say you knew who I was? Oh
> >> >> wait, that was another of Shook's many lies..
> >> >Maybe I do, maybe I don't.
> >> <LOL> You don't, Dummy. Face it, Shook, you were born clueless and
> >> you've been going downhill ever since..
> >You hope I don't. You are so desperately afraid that someone might
> >find out who you are, it's funny.
> I know that you don't and I'm not the least bit concerned that you or
> anybody else will...
So, you admit you're deathly afraid to let anyone know who you are.
Finally, some honesty. Although you probably said it inadvertently.
> >I would never out anyone, even if they asked me to, because that's not
> >what I do. So, you'll never find out one way or another.
> <chuckle> I already know you don't have a clue, Shook. I also know
> that you live in a total fog, imagining that your silly blogs and
> amateur level, vanity press published books are something to brag
> about.
Really? Show me a "brag" that's less than 10 years old.
<snip>
> >> > That doesn't mean you're not anonymous, you
> >> Shook is pissed off because I mentioned his homosexual activities..
> >> Shook doesn't want that to get out...
> >I'm not gay. If I was, I'd freely admit it. I have no problem with it,
> >as long as I don't have to watch them have sex.
> Shook swings in both directions... I think he's prefer women but he's
> never been able to find a women that'd let him arms length to... so
> he swings the other way every now and then.
> >I find it telling that you think calling me that is an insult. When do
> >you graduate middle school?
> It's not an insult, Shook, it's just a case of me letting you know
> what I know...
You don't know anything. But we knew that from your Usenet activity.
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>On Thu, 17 May 2012 12:23:20 -0500, D nk 42 wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>> On Thu, 17 May 2012 11:34:33 -0400, Mr.B1ack wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>> This is the end, the bitter end ...
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>> 'Austerity' ? We don't NEED no stinkin' 'austerity' ... famous last
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>> words dontchathink ? :-)
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>> I see the fascist party has made significant gains already. How long
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>> before they're in charge ?
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>> Adolf Hitler came to power in an era of hyperinflation, and under Nazi
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>> rule the German mark was strong. This is why Germany is so adamant
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>> about not devaluing the euro.
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>Oddly enough, nobody is talking about hyperinflation, not for the euro or
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>for the drachma.
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>I note that Germany's hyperinflation was triggered, in large measure, by
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>the very safe sort of austerity measures the allies imposed on Germany
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>after World War I.
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>Lefties hate austerity... they want to spend, spend, spend...
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > So Pentagon generals are lefties ? :-)
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> No, they're just big kids with expensive toys
>> >> >> >> >> >> >The irony is, the generals don't want most of those "toys." But their
>> >> >> >> >> >> >right wing Republican benefactors demand they take the shit, anyway.
>> >> >> >> >> >> <LOL> Now Milt imagines he can speak for the military leadership.
>> >> >> >> >> >Nope. They speak for themselves just fine.
>> >> >> >> >> >And Google "F-22," fucktard. Navy pilots refuse to fly it, and the
>> >> >> >> >> >Pentagon has been asking that the program be killed for years, but
>> >> >> >> >> >Republicans have blocked every attempt to do so.
>> >> >> >> >> Nobody has refused to fly it and no, the pentagon has not been asking
>> >> >> >> >> to kill it.. Milt should try reading something other than the leftist
>> >> >> >> >> bloggers...
>> >> >> >> >If you're going to talk politics with people, shouldn't you have at
>> >> >> >> >least a passing knowledge of what's going on in the world?
>> >> >> >> "Turning down the opportunity to fly it" is rather different from
>> >> >> >> refusing to fly it and since the number of them is not specified, it's
>> >> >> >> really not an issue. Suffice it to say that there are plenty of
>> >> >> >> pilots that have no problem flying it.
>> >> >> >You fucking idiot. They are REFUSING to fly it. Every single article
>> >> >> >says so.
>> >> >> Those leftist blogs don't count, Shook. The only article that counts
>> >> >> says some unspecified number of pilots are "turning down the
>> >> >> opportunity to fly it."
>> >> >First of all, Stars and Stripes is not a leftist blog.
>> >> >Here's a Google search, you simple-minded fool:
>> >> >As you can see, there are hundreds of news stories about this,
>> >> >including many from right-wing sources.
>> >> >Second of all, WTF do you think "turning down the opportunity to fly
>> >> >it" means in USAF terms? It means they're refusing to fly it, you
>> >> >fucking nitwit. They're told to fly it and they're refusing the
>> >> >order.
>> >> >> >Why do you insist on being openly stupid? Oh, right; that's why you're
>> >> >> >anonymous; you can be as dumb as you want and never have to answer for
>> >> >> >it
>> >> >> <LOL> Anonymous??? Why Milly, didn't you say you knew who I was? Oh
>> >> >> wait, that was another of Shook's many lies..
>> >> >Maybe I do, maybe I don't.
>> >> <LOL> You don't, Dummy. Face it, Shook, you were born clueless and
>> >> you've been going downhill ever since..
>> >You hope I don't. You are so desperately afraid that someone might
>> >find out who you are, it's funny.
>> I know that you don't and I'm not the least bit concerned that you or
>> anybody else will...
>So, you admit you're deathly afraid to let anyone know who you are.
>Finally, some honesty. Although you probably said it inadvertently.
<LOL> Poor dumb Milt... I have web sites on the Internet.. some
pictures of me there... Go find 'em...
>> >I would never out anyone, even if they asked me to, because that's not
>> >what I do. So, you'll never find out one way or another.
>> <chuckle> I already know you don't have a clue, Shook. I also know
>> that you live in a total fog, imagining that your silly blogs and
>> amateur level, vanity press published books are something to brag
>> about.
>Really? Show me a "brag" that's less than 10 years old.
><snip>
>> >> > That doesn't mean you're not anonymous, you
>> >> Shook is pissed off because I mentioned his homosexual activities..
>> >> Shook doesn't want that to get out...
>> >I'm not gay. If I was, I'd freely admit it. I have no problem with it,
>> >as long as I don't have to watch them have sex.
>> Shook swings in both directions... I think he's prefer women but he's
>> never been able to find a women that'd let him arms length to... so
>> he swings the other way every now and then.
>> >I find it telling that you think calling me that is an insult. When do
>> >you graduate middle school?
>> It's not an insult, Shook, it's just a case of me letting you know
>> what I know...
>You don't know anything. But we knew that from your Usenet activity.
You still don't have a clue..
"companies are literally hoarding "cash." And by definition, if they have the cash, it's not in circulation. Money is zero-sum, which means, every dollar a company holds onto is a dollar that isn't in circulation. "
--Milt Shook
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.society.liberalism/msg/a3be1dd3b08...
