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Liberals@vastrightwingconspiracy.gov BÎllary

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May 5, 2004, 8:45:36 AM5/5/04
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As a Disney shareholder I approve of this decision. There is no reason that
an all American, family brand name like Disney should be associated with
left wing wacko socialist propaganda. Of course the left wing nuts are
going to scream "1st amendment". They ignore the fact that Michael Moore
is free to peddle his smut elsewhere through another distribution channel.
And that Disney is free to make a business decision that is good for it's
shareholders GOOD JOB DISNEY!!!!!


"Jingo" <Ji...@AFreeAmerica.com> wrote in message
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> Disney Blocks Distribution of Moore Film Critical of Bush
>
> Jim Rutenberg, The New York Times, May 5, 2004
>
>
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/05/05/national/05DISN.html?hp=&adxnnl=1&adxnnlx=1083758801-jkDZSgdimAlwRDhhD4Y54A
>
> WASHINGTON, May 4 - The Walt Disney Company is blocking its Miramax
> division from distributing a new documentary by Michael Moore that
> harshly criticizes President Bush, executives at both Disney and
> Miramax said Tuesday.
>
> The film, "Fahrenheit 911," links Mr. Bush and prominent Saudis -
> including the family of Osama bin Laden - and criticizes Mr. Bush's
> actions before and after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks.
>
> Disney, which bought Miramax more than a decade ago, has a contractual
> agreement with the Miramax principals, Bob and Harvey Weinstein,
> allowing it to prevent the company from distributing films under
> certain circumstances, like an excessive budget or an NC-17 rating.
>
> Executives at Miramax, who became principal investors in Mr. Moore's
> project last spring, do not believe that this is one of those cases,
> people involved in the production of the film said. If a compromise is
> not reached, these people said, the matter could go to mediation,
> though neither side is said to want to travel that route.
>
> In a statement, Matthew Hiltzik, a spokesman for Miramax, said: "We're
> discussing the issue with Disney. We're looking at all of our options
> and look forward to resolving this amicably."
>
> But Disney executives indicated that they would not budge from their
> position forbidding Miramax to be the distributor of the film in
> North America. Overseas rights have been sold to a number of
> companies, executives said.
>
> "We advised both the agent and Miramax in May of 2003 that the film
> would not be distributed by Miramax," said Zenia Mucha, a company
> spokeswoman, referring to Mr. Moore's agent. "That decision stands."
>
> Disney came under heavy criticism from conservatives last May after
> the disclosure that Miramax had agreed to finance the film when Icon
> Productions, Mel Gibson's company, backed out.
>
> Mr. Moore's agent, Ari Emanuel, said Michael D. Eisner, Disney's chief
> executive, asked him last spring to pull out of the deal with Miramax.
> Mr. Emanuel said Mr. Eisner expressed particular concern that it
> would endanger tax breaks Disney receives for its theme park, hotels
> and other ventures in Florida, where Mr. Bush's brother, Jeb, is
> governor.
>
> "Michael Eisner asked me not to sell this movie to Harvey Weinstein;
> that doesn't mean I listened to him," Mr. Emanuel said. "He definitely
> indicated there were tax incentives he was getting for the Disney
> corporation and that's why he didn't want me to sell it to Miramax. He
> didn't want a Disney company involved."
>
> Disney executives deny that accusation, though they said their
> displeasure over the deal was made clear to Miramax and Mr. Emanuel.
>
> A senior Disney executive elaborated that the company had the right to
> quash Miramax's distribution of films if it deemed their distribution
> to be against the interests of the company. The executive said Mr.
> Moore's film is deemed to be against Disney's interests not because of
> the company's business dealings with the government but because Disney
> caters to families of all political stripes and believes Mr. Moore's
> film, which does not have a release date, could alienate many.
>
> "It's not in the interest of any major corporation to be dragged into
> a highly charged partisan political battle," this executive said.
>
> Miramax is free to seek another distributor in North America, but such
> a deal would force it to share profits and be a blow to Harvey
> Weinstein, a big donor to Democrats.
>
> Mr. Moore, who will present the film at the Cannes film festival this
> month, criticized Disney's decision in an interview on Tuesday,
> saying, "At some point the question has to be asked, `Should this be
> happening in a free and open society where the monied interests
> essentially call the shots regarding the information that the public
> is allowed to see?' "
>
> Mr. Moore's films, like "Roger and Me" and "Bowling for Columbine,"
> are often a political lightning rod, as Mr. Moore sets out to skewer
> what he says are the misguided priorities of conservatives and big
> business. They have also often performed well at the box office. His
> most recent movie, "Bowling for Columbine," took in about $22 million
> in North America for United Artists. His books, like "Stupid White
> Men," a jeremiad against the Bush administration that has sold more
> than a million copies, have also been lucrative.
>
> Mr. Moore does not disagree that "Fahrenheit 911" is highly charged,
> but he took issue with the description of it as partisan. "If this
> is partisan in any way it is partisan on the side of the poor and
> working people in this country who provide fodder for this war
> machine," he said.
>
> Mr. Moore said the film describes financial connections between the
> Bush family and its associates and prominent Saudi Arabian families
> that go back three decades. He said it closely explores the
> government's role in the evacuation of relatives of Mr. bin Laden
> from the United States immediately after the 2001 attacks. The film
> includes comments from American soldiers on the ground in Iraq
> expressing disillusionment with the war, he said.
>
> Mr. Moore once planned to produce the film with Mr. Gibson's company,
> but "the project wasn't right for Icon," said Alan Nierob, an Icon
> spokesman, adding that the decision had nothing to do with politics.
>
> Miramax stepped in immediately. The company had distributed Mr.
> Moore's 1997 film, "The Big One." In return for providing most of the
> new film's $6 million budget, Miramax was positioned to distribute it.
>
> While Disney's objections were made clear early on, one executive
> said the Miramax leadership hoped it would be able to prevail upon
> Disney to sign off on distribution, which would ideally happen this
> summer, before the election and when political interest is high.
>
>
> "What they will do is stagger along until there's a major incident
> and then suddenly say, 'Oh my God, shouldn't we be organized to deal with
this.'"
>
> --Current U.S. Administrator in Iraq, Paul Bremer, commenting on the
Bush
> Administration, speaking at The McCormick Tribune Foundation
Conference on Terrorism,
> Feb. 26, 2001.
>
> http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/04/29/bremer.bush.
> ap/index.html


Mitchell Holman

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"BÎllary" <F. Libe...@vastrightwingconspiracy.gov> wrote in
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> As a Disney shareholder I approve of this decision. There is no reason
> that an all American, family brand name like Disney should be associated
> with left wing wacko socialist propaganda.


Please expect this to be thrown in your face the
next time you rant about Disney being "the liberal
media".


> Of course the left wing nuts
> are going to scream "1st amendment". They ignore the fact that Michael
> Moore is free to peddle his smut elsewhere through another distribution
> channel. And that Disney is free to make a business decision that is
> good for it's shareholders GOOD JOB DISNEY!!!!!


No, not a First Amendment issue. Just proof
of what liars conservatives are.


Mitchell Holman

Modern conservative: Someone who can take time out
from listening to Rush Limbaugh, Gordon Liddy, Paul
Harvey, Oliver North, Don Imus, Bill O'Rielly, Alan
Keyes and Dr. Laura to remind us that the media is
"dominated by liberals".

Roger

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> "BÎllary" <F. Libe...@vastrightwingconspiracy.gov> wrote in
> news:Ql5mc.31731$sK3....@nwrddc03.gnilink.net:
>
> > As a Disney shareholder I approve of this decision. There is no reason
> > that an all American, family brand name like Disney should be associated
> > with left wing wacko socialist propaganda.
>
>
> Please expect this to be thrown in your face the
> next time you rant about Disney being "the liberal
> media".

I prove the stupidity of this mantra every day when conservatives use the
"liberal media" to make their points. Look for the "Fucking liberal
xxxxx!!!" at the top of a reply.

>
>
> > Of course the left wing nuts
> > are going to scream "1st amendment". They ignore the fact that Michael
> > Moore is free to peddle his smut elsewhere through another distribution
> > channel. And that Disney is free to make a business decision that is
> > good for it's shareholders GOOD JOB DISNEY!!!!!
>
>
> No, not a First Amendment issue. Just proof
> of what liars conservatives are.
>
>
> Mitchell Holman
>
> Modern conservative: Someone who can take time out
> from listening to Rush Limbaugh, Gordon Liddy, Paul
> Harvey, Oliver North, Don Imus, Bill O'Rielly, Alan
> Keyes and Dr. Laura to remind us that the media is
> "dominated by liberals".

And Robert "I ruin CIA secrecy" Novak, Sean Hannity, Lou Dobbs, etc.


Liberals@vastrightwingconspiracy.gov BÎllary

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I'm hoping that we can outlaw "Gay Day" at the theme park next. Kids don't
need to be exposed to that kind of adult behavior. I'm not condemning gays,
just the behavior in front of the young kids. It's not right, and
mainstream America agrees with ME!!!


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Liberals@vastrightwingconspiracy.gov BÎllary

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May 5, 2004, 9:04:49 AM5/5/04
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Disney owns many other companies. Most of which ARE liberal. They finally
put thier foot down on Miramax. It was long in coming. Chew on that
liberal.


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Steve Canyon

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On Wed, 05 May 2004 13:03:02 GMT, "BÎllary" <F.
Libe...@vastrightwingconspiracy.gov> wrote:

>I'm hoping that we can outlaw "Gay Day" at the theme park next. Kids don't
>need to be exposed to that kind of adult behavior. I'm not condemning gays,
>just the behavior in front of the young kids. It's not right, and
>mainstream America agrees with ME!!!
>

I wouldn't mind the Disney "gay day" thing if they'd issue some
baseball bats at the gate to visitors who could the use them to beat
some common sense into anybody who is behaving inappropriately.

----

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"But it sounds like the movie is just one pornographic exercise in pain
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Cisco Kid

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May 5, 2004, 9:32:06 AM5/5/04
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On Wed, 05 May 2004 12:45:36 GMT, "BÎllary" <F.
Libe...@vastrightwingconspiracy.gov> wrote:

>As a Disney shareholder I approve of this decision. There is no reason that
>an all American, family brand name like Disney should be associated with
>left wing wacko socialist propaganda. Of course the left wing nuts are
>going to scream "1st amendment". They ignore the fact that Michael Moore
>is free to peddle his smut elsewhere through another distribution channel.
>And that Disney is free to make a business decision that is good for it's
>shareholders GOOD JOB DISNEY!!!!!

Yeah, sure. You're a rightwing shareholder of a company who dated to
legalize full employment benefits for homosexual couples?

Weren't you, Karl Rove and the other wingnuts out here a year ago
screaming at everyone to boycott Disney?

zepp

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On Wed, 05 May 2004 12:54:37 GMT, Mitchell Holman
<ta2eene...@comcast.com> wrote:

>"BÎllary" <F. Libe...@vastrightwingconspiracy.gov> wrote in
>news:Ql5mc.31731$sK3....@nwrddc03.gnilink.net:
>
>> As a Disney shareholder I approve of this decision. There is no reason
>> that an all American, family brand name like Disney should be associated
>> with left wing wacko socialist propaganda.
>
>
> Please expect this to be thrown in your face the
>next time you rant about Disney being "the liberal
>media".

Or ABC, Miramax, or the rest of Mousewitz's media empire.


>
>
>> Of course the left wing nuts
>> are going to scream "1st amendment". They ignore the fact that Michael
>> Moore is free to peddle his smut elsewhere through another distribution
>> channel. And that Disney is free to make a business decision that is
>> good for it's shareholders GOOD JOB DISNEY!!!!!
>
>
> No, not a First Amendment issue. Just proof
>of what liars conservatives are.
>
>
> Mitchell Holman
>
> Modern conservative: Someone who can take time out
>from listening to Rush Limbaugh, Gordon Liddy, Paul
>Harvey, Oliver North, Don Imus, Bill O'Rielly, Alan
>Keyes and Dr. Laura to remind us that the media is
>"dominated by liberals".
>
>

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senior State Department official tells CNN the U.S. government made a
mistake in focusing so much energy on bin Laden and 'personalizing
terrorism.'"

-- CNN, 4/30/2001.


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Liberals@vastrightwingconspiracy.gov BÎllary

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May 5, 2004, 9:36:55 AM5/5/04
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And I've worked for companies that extended benefits to unmarried and
homosexual partners. You have me confused with someone else. Billary is a
"moderate" republican. But nice try. Thanks for playing.


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Mitchell Holman

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"BÎllary" <F. Libe...@vastrightwingconspiracy.gov> wrote in
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> I'm hoping that we can outlaw "Gay Day" at the theme park next. Kids
> don't need to be exposed to that kind of adult behavior. I'm not
> condemning gays, just the behavior in front of the young kids. It's not
> right, and mainstream America agrees with ME!!!


Using government to tell theme parks what patrons
they will be allowed to admit.

Another first from the "fewer regulations" plank
of the GOP..........

Mitchell Holman

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Steve Canyon <Steven...@yahoooooooooo.com> wrote in
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> On Wed, 05 May 2004 13:03:02 GMT, "BÎllary" <F.
> Libe...@vastrightwingconspiracy.gov> wrote:
>
>>I'm hoping that we can outlaw "Gay Day" at the theme park next. Kids
>>don't need to be exposed to that kind of adult behavior. I'm not
>>condemning gays, just the behavior in front of the young kids. It's not
>>right, and mainstream America agrees with ME!!!
>>
>
> I wouldn't mind the Disney "gay day" thing if they'd issue some
> baseball bats at the gate to visitors who could the use them to beat
> some common sense into anybody who is behaving inappropriately.
>

Boy, the era of "compassionate conservatism" and
the "Big Tent GOP" didn't last too long, did it.......


Liberals@vastrightwingconspiracy.gov BÎllary

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That's your liberal problem. You see the word "outlaw" and you think
government. Okay let's make the word "eliminate".

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james

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In article <tnph9013ugvipc6ni...@4ax.com>,
Steve Canyon <Steven...@yahoooooooooo.com> wrote:

>I wouldn't mind the Disney "gay day" thing if they'd issue some
>baseball bats at the gate to visitors who could the use them to beat
>some common sense into anybody who is behaving inappropriately.

Are you advocating the use of violence directed against American
civilians?

Steve Canyon

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<LOL> Since I've never claimed to be a conservative, nor a member of
the GOP, and I loudly proclaim that I've never had any compassion for
morons who don't have enough sense to climb out of their own despair,
your comment is just another pathetic leftist whine...

I have absolutely no interest in what people do behind closed doors,
but anybody that thinks we ought to be "compassionate" about overt
sexual activity in an environment like Disneyland is a moron.

If people don't want to be punished for behaving inappropriately, all
the have to do is stop behaving inappropriately.

Steve Canyon

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On Wed, 05 May 2004 13:41:03 GMT, Mitchell Holman
<ta2eene...@comcast.com> wrote:

>"BÎllary" <F. Libe...@vastrightwingconspiracy.gov> wrote in
>news:aC5mc.31870$sK3....@nwrddc03.gnilink.net:
>
>> I'm hoping that we can outlaw "Gay Day" at the theme park next. Kids
>> don't need to be exposed to that kind of adult behavior. I'm not
>> condemning gays, just the behavior in front of the young kids. It's not
>> right, and mainstream America agrees with ME!!!
>
>
> Using government to tell theme parks what patrons
>they will be allowed to admit.
>
> Another first from the "fewer regulations" plank
>of the GOP..........

The continued attacks by the media on the Disney organization will
either force them to police behavior or eventually the tourists will
find other places to spend their vacations. I seriously doubt that
there are enough tourists who don't mind their children being exposed
to queers prancing around in women's clothing and rubbing on each
other to keep the place afloat.

zepp

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On Wed, 05 May 2004 13:41:03 GMT, Mitchell Holman
<ta2eene...@comcast.com> wrote:

>"BÎllary" <F. Libe...@vastrightwingconspiracy.gov> wrote in
>news:aC5mc.31870$sK3....@nwrddc03.gnilink.net:
>
>> I'm hoping that we can outlaw "Gay Day" at the theme park next. Kids
>> don't need to be exposed to that kind of adult behavior. I'm not
>> condemning gays, just the behavior in front of the young kids. It's not
>> right, and mainstream America agrees with ME!!!
>
>
> Using government to tell theme parks what patrons
>they will be allowed to admit.
>
> Another first from the "fewer regulations" plank
>of the GOP..........

I suspect the late Billary's plank is missing a few board-feet....


>
>
>>
>>
>> "Mitchell Holman" <ta2eene...@comcast.com> wrote in message
>> news:Xns94E050786...@204.127.204.17...
>>> "BÎllary" <F. Libe...@vastrightwingconspiracy.gov> wrote in
>>> news:Ql5mc.31731$sK3....@nwrddc03.gnilink.net:
>>>
>>> > As a Disney shareholder I approve of this decision. There is no
>>> > reason that an all American, family brand name like Disney should be
>>> > associated with left wing wacko socialist propaganda.
>>>
>>>
>>> Please expect this to be thrown in your face the
>>> next time you rant about Disney being "the liberal
>>> media".
>>>
>>>
>>> > Of course the left wing nuts
>>> > are going to scream "1st amendment". They ignore the fact that
>>> > Michael Moore is free to peddle his smut elsewhere through another
>>> > distribution channel. And that Disney is free to make a business
>>> > decision that is good for it's shareholders GOOD JOB DISNEY!!!!!
>>>
>>>
>>> No, not a First Amendment issue. Just proof
>>> of what liars conservatives are.
>>>
>>>
>>> Mitchell Holman
>>>
>>> Modern conservative: Someone who can take time out
>>> from listening to Rush Limbaugh, Gordon Liddy, Paul
>>> Harvey, Oliver North, Don Imus, Bill O'Rielly, Alan
>>> Keyes and Dr. Laura to remind us that the media is
>>> "dominated by liberals".
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>

-

Steve Canyon

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On Wed, 05 May 2004 14:17:26 GMT, fish...@conservatory.com (james)
wrote:

Yeah.. <shrug>

Roger

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It was a fraud from the beginning.

Marketing.


zepp

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On Wed, 05 May 2004 14:17:26 GMT, fish...@conservatory.com (james)
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>In article <tnph9013ugvipc6ni...@4ax.com>,

Of course he is. He's an anti-American terrorist.

Sid9, Liberal

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Forgive him, he knows not what he says.


Jeffrey Scott Linder

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Mitchell Holman <ta2eene...@comcast.com> wrote:

>"BÎllary" <F. Libe...@vastrightwingconspiracy.gov> wrote in
>news:aC5mc.31870$sK3....@nwrddc03.gnilink.net:
>
>> I'm hoping that we can outlaw "Gay Day" at the theme park next. Kids
>> don't need to be exposed to that kind of adult behavior. I'm not
>> condemning gays, just the behavior in front of the young kids. It's not
>> right, and mainstream America agrees with ME!!!
>
>
> Using government to tell theme parks what patrons
>they will be allowed to admit.
>
> Another first from the "fewer regulations" plank
>of the GOP..........

Yet I suspect you have no problem with the government telling a
business whom they should or should not hire...

a restaraunt determining whom they will or will not serve...

a bar determining whether or not its patrons are permitted to
smoke....

JSL

Jim

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Mitchell Holman <ta2eene...@comcast.com> wrote in message news:<Xns94E050786...@204.127.204.17>...

> "BÎllary" <F. Libe...@vastrightwingconspiracy.gov> wrote in
> news:Ql5mc.31731$sK3....@nwrddc03.gnilink.net:
>
> > As a Disney shareholder I approve of this decision. There is no reason
> > that an all American, family brand name like Disney should be associated
> > with left wing wacko socialist propaganda.
>
>
> Please expect this to be thrown in your face the
> next time you rant about Disney being "the liberal
> media".

Who was one of Hillary's biggest contributors again?

http://www.commondreams.org/news2000/0224-02.htm

By the way, just because they are liberal doesn't mean they don't have
standards (really, its true, hard to believe after reading these
boards) . Moore is a proven lying sack of shit. Why should they soil
themselves by touching him?

> > Of course the left wing nuts
> > are going to scream "1st amendment". They ignore the fact that Michael
> > Moore is free to peddle his smut elsewhere through another distribution
> > channel. And that Disney is free to make a business decision that is
> > good for it's shareholders GOOD JOB DISNEY!!!!!

> No, not a First Amendment issue. Just proof of what liars conservatives
> are.

Oh, please, libbies quite often cry first amendment violation when a
private company decides what it will do with its own property.

Jim

Mitchell Holman

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Steve Canyon <Steven...@yahoooooooooo.com> wrote in
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> On Wed, 05 May 2004 13:41:03 GMT, Mitchell Holman
> <ta2eene...@comcast.com> wrote:
>
>>"BÎllary" <F. Libe...@vastrightwingconspiracy.gov> wrote in
>>news:aC5mc.31870$sK3....@nwrddc03.gnilink.net:
>>
>>> I'm hoping that we can outlaw "Gay Day" at the theme park next. Kids
>>> don't need to be exposed to that kind of adult behavior. I'm not
>>> condemning gays, just the behavior in front of the young kids. It's
>>> not right, and mainstream America agrees with ME!!!
>>
>>
>> Using government to tell theme parks what patrons
>>they will be allowed to admit.
>>
>> Another first from the "fewer regulations" plank
>>of the GOP..........
>
> The continued attacks by the media on the Disney organization will
> either force them to police behavior or eventually the tourists will
> find other places to spend their vacations. I seriously doubt that
> there are enough tourists who don't mind their children being exposed
> to queers prancing around in women's clothing and rubbing on each
> other to keep the place afloat.


With any luck their children will grow up
knowing that homosexuals are just people, not the
monsters you ignorant homophobes are so afraid of.


Mitchell Holman

"The Bible contains six admonishments to homosexuals
and 362 admonishments to heterosexuals. That doesn't mean
that God doesn't love heterosexuals. It's just that they
need more supervision."
Lynn Lavner

Mitchell Holman

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Steve Canyon <Steven...@yahoooooooooo.com> wrote in
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> On Wed, 05 May 2004 13:41:58 GMT, Mitchell Holman
> <ta2eene...@comcast.com> wrote:
>
>>Steve Canyon <Steven...@yahoooooooooo.com> wrote in
>>news:tnph9013ugvipc6ni...@4ax.com:
>>
>>> On Wed, 05 May 2004 13:03:02 GMT, "BÎllary" <F.
>>> Libe...@vastrightwingconspiracy.gov> wrote:
>>>
>>>>I'm hoping that we can outlaw "Gay Day" at the theme park next. Kids
>>>>don't need to be exposed to that kind of adult behavior. I'm not
>>>>condemning gays, just the behavior in front of the young kids. It's
>>>>not right, and mainstream America agrees with ME!!!
>>>>
>>>
>>> I wouldn't mind the Disney "gay day" thing if they'd issue some
>>> baseball bats at the gate to visitors who could the use them to beat
>>> some common sense into anybody who is behaving inappropriately.
>>>
>>
>> Boy, the era of "compassionate conservatism" and
>>the "Big Tent GOP" didn't last too long, did it.......
>>
>>
>
> <LOL> Since I've never claimed to be a conservative, nor a member of
> the GOP, and I loudly proclaim that I've never had any compassion for
> morons who don't have enough sense to climb out of their own despair,
> your comment is just another pathetic leftist whine...
>
> I have absolutely no interest in what people do behind closed doors,
> but anybody that thinks we ought to be "compassionate" about overt
> sexual activity in an environment like Disneyland is a moron.


And just what "overt sexual activity" has ever
taken place at Disneyland, pray tell?


>
> If people don't want to be punished for behaving inappropriately, all
> the have to do is stop behaving inappropriately.
>

What "inappropriate" behavior are you talking about?

Oh, I know, you are still upset that Donald Duck isn't
wearing any pants, but beyond that, I mean.


Mitchell Holman

"Will the highways on the Internet become more few?"
George W Bush, Concord, N.H., Jan. 29, 2000

Mitchell Holman

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Steve Canyon <Steven...@yahoooooooooo.com> wrote in
news:v5vh90l7o8eq36em1...@4ax.com:

> On Wed, 05 May 2004 14:17:26 GMT, fish...@conservatory.com (james)
> wrote:
>
>>In article <tnph9013ugvipc6ni...@4ax.com>,
>>Steve Canyon <Steven...@yahoooooooooo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>I wouldn't mind the Disney "gay day" thing if they'd issue some
>>>baseball bats at the gate to visitors who could the use them to beat
>>>some common sense into anybody who is behaving inappropriately.
>>
>>Are you advocating the use of violence directed against American
>>civilians?
>
> Yeah.. <shrug>


Like most conservatives, "Steve Canyon" can't
stand the thought that someone, somewhere, is
having more fun than he is.

Mitchell Holman

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somd_j...@yahoo.com (Jim) wrote in
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> Mitchell Holman <ta2eene...@comcast.com> wrote in message
> news:<Xns94E050786...@204.127.204.17>...
>> "BÎllary" <F. Libe...@vastrightwingconspiracy.gov> wrote in
>> news:Ql5mc.31731$sK3....@nwrddc03.gnilink.net:
>>
>> > As a Disney shareholder I approve of this decision. There is no
>> > reason that an all American, family brand name like Disney should be
>> > associated with left wing wacko socialist propaganda.
>>
>>
>> Please expect this to be thrown in your face the
>> next time you rant about Disney being "the liberal
>> media".
>
> Who was one of Hillary's biggest contributors again?


You mean the junior Senator from New York who
voted FOR the Iraq war and FOR the Patriot Act? What
an America-hating leftist she must be.

Jingo

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Hmmmmmm...Michael's last film won an Academy Award and was very
profitable.

There goes the "protect the shareholders" argument.

Protect them from a profitable movie?

Jingo

"Iraq is free of rape rooms and torture chambers."

-President Bush, October 8, 2003, The Republican National
Committee Presidential Gala,

http://slate.msn.com/id/2100014/




Jingo

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On Wed, 05 May 2004 14:17:26 GMT, fish...@conservatory.com (james)
wrote:

>In article <tnph9013ugvipc6ni...@4ax.com>,

He might be surprised if he tried to live out his fantasy.

Being gay does not seem to preclude one from kicking the dog do out of
some violent right wing loser.

Jingo

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On Wed, 05 May 2004 18:36:20 GMT, linde...@osu.edu (Jeffrey Scott
Linder) wrote:

>Mitchell Holman <ta2eene...@comcast.com> wrote:
>
>>"BÎllary" <F. Libe...@vastrightwingconspiracy.gov> wrote in
>>news:aC5mc.31870$sK3....@nwrddc03.gnilink.net:
>>
>>> I'm hoping that we can outlaw "Gay Day" at the theme park next. Kids
>>> don't need to be exposed to that kind of adult behavior. I'm not
>>> condemning gays, just the behavior in front of the young kids. It's not
>>> right, and mainstream America agrees with ME!!!
>>
>>
>> Using government to tell theme parks what patrons
>>they will be allowed to admit.
>>
>> Another first from the "fewer regulations" plank
>>of the GOP..........
>
>Yet I suspect you have no problem with the government telling a
>business whom they should or should not hire...

As usual Linder tries to change the topic because he knows he is
losing.

>a restaraunt determining whom they will or will not serve...

That one is a favorite of every redneck bigot in America, Linder.

Apparentl,y it is one of yours too.

>a bar determining whether or not its patrons are permitted to
>smoke....

The one blowing smoke here is you Linder...out your ass.

Jingo

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On 5 May 2004 12:07:29 -0700, somd_j...@yahoo.com (Jim) wrote:

>Mitchell Holman <ta2eene...@comcast.com> wrote in message news:<Xns94E050786...@204.127.204.17>...
>> "BÎllary" <F. Libe...@vastrightwingconspiracy.gov> wrote in
>> news:Ql5mc.31731$sK3....@nwrddc03.gnilink.net:
>>
>> > As a Disney shareholder I approve of this decision. There is no reason
>> > that an all American, family brand name like Disney should be associated
>> > with left wing wacko socialist propaganda.
>>
>>
>> Please expect this to be thrown in your face the
>> next time you rant about Disney being "the liberal
>> media".
>
>Who was one of Hillary's biggest contributors again?
>
>http://www.commondreams.org/news2000/0224-02.htm
>
>By the way, just because they are liberal doesn't mean they don't have
>standards (really, its true, hard to believe after reading these
>boards) . Moore is a proven lying sack of shit. Why should they soil
>themselves by touching him?

Mr. Moore's movies have met both financial and critical acclaim.

He is a millionaire may times over and has an Academy Award for
Documentary Film making.

He would be pleased that his work makes you slobber and drool.

We certainly are.

Jingo

>
>> > Of course the left wing nuts
>> > are going to scream "1st amendment". They ignore the fact that Michael
>> > Moore is free to peddle his smut elsewhere through another distribution
>> > channel. And that Disney is free to make a business decision that is
>> > good for it's shareholders GOOD JOB DISNEY!!!!!
>
>> No, not a First Amendment issue. Just proof of what liars conservatives
>> are.
>
>Oh, please, libbies quite often cry first amendment violation when a
>private company decides what it will do with its own property.
>
>Jim

"Iraq is free of rape rooms and torture chambers."

Roger

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"Mitchell Holman" <ta2eene...@comcast.com> wrote in message
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> Steve Canyon <Steven...@yahoooooooooo.com> wrote in
> news:o5uh90hih0oplk3m5...@4ax.com:
>
> > On Wed, 05 May 2004 13:41:03 GMT, Mitchell Holman
> > <ta2eene...@comcast.com> wrote:
> >
> >>"BÎllary" <F. Libe...@vastrightwingconspiracy.gov> wrote in
> >>news:aC5mc.31870$sK3....@nwrddc03.gnilink.net:
> >>
> >>> I'm hoping that we can outlaw "Gay Day" at the theme park next. Kids
> >>> don't need to be exposed to that kind of adult behavior. I'm not
> >>> condemning gays, just the behavior in front of the young kids. It's
> >>> not right, and mainstream America agrees with ME!!!
> >>
> >>
> >> Using government to tell theme parks what patrons
> >>they will be allowed to admit.
> >>
> >> Another first from the "fewer regulations" plank
> >>of the GOP..........
> >
> > The continued attacks by the media on the Disney organization will
> > either force them to police behavior or eventually the tourists will
> > find other places to spend their vacations. I seriously doubt that
> > there are enough tourists who don't mind their children being exposed
> > to queers prancing around in women's clothing and rubbing on each
> > other to keep the place afloat.
>
>
> With any luck their children will grow up
> knowing that homosexuals are just people, not the
> monsters you ignorant homophobes are so afraid of.

They will as more and more come out of the closet.

The best cure for hatred and fear is to know that people you love and
respect belong to the groups you hate and fear.


james

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In article <7fsi90t9tefihpb4g...@4ax.com>,
Jingo <Ji...@AFreeAmerica.com> wrote:

>He might be surprised if he tried to live out his fantasy.
>
>Being gay does not seem to preclude one from kicking the dog do out of
>some violent right wing loser.

I have a friend who had to be forcibly restrained to keep him from
killing Fred Phelps. He was the "Green" in a pride parade in San Fran.
the "Yellow" and "Blue" guys held his arms as they paraded past Phelps.
They knew he would have killed him. It would have been very, very ugly.
My friend is not the sort of person you want to fight. Not all gay men
are effeminate pansies you know. Lots of them are militant, capable of
putting up a fight, and some of them are angry enough at people like the
O.P. that they don't really care about consequences.

james

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In article <0osi905v9vqsbhash...@4ax.com>,
Jingo <Ji...@AFreeAmerica.com> wrote:

>He is a millionaire may times over and has an Academy Award for
>Documentary Film making.

Why the hell does he need to surrender the least fraction of control of
his creative works?

How did he get into a position where ANYONE ELSE can decide whether and
how his films will be distributed?

Mitchell Holman

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fish...@conservatory.com (james) wrote in news:qAfmc.15731$fE.7637
@fed1read02:


uh, hello? Film producers don't own movie theaters,
and they don't distribute movies. That is what distribution
companies do. But not to worry, another will snap up the
work that "liberal" Disney doesn't want to do.


Milt

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BÎllary wrote:
> As a Disney shareholder I approve of this decision.

Yep. Typical right winger. You talk about liberty, but you favor
censorship of anything you don't like.

That's the difference between right and left.

I have been outspoken about Howard Stern's fate, despite the fact that I
can't stand his show. If someone were trying to ban Rush Limbaugh
because of his point of view, I would be beside the dittoheads,
protesting the move. (I am in favor of a return to the Fairness
Doctrine, because we need MORE points of view, not less, btw.)

> There is no reason that
> an all American, family brand name like Disney should be associated with
> left wing wacko socialist propaganda.

They're not. They just happen to have purchased Miramax, who bankrolled
the Moore film.

> Of course the left wing nuts are
> going to scream "1st amendment". They ignore the fact that Michael Moore
> is free to peddle his smut elsewhere through another distribution channel.

Actually, he isn't, dumbass.

> And that Disney is free to make a business decision that is good for it's
> shareholders GOOD JOB DISNEY!!!!!
>

Disney is certainly free to do this. We are also free to point out that
they are censors, and that they are putting politics ahead of common
sense. They're kissing Jeb Bush's ass now, but what happens when the
next governor is a Democrat? Bet you won't like it when they censor an
Ann Coulter film because it might piss off the Democrat...


>
> "Jingo" <Ji...@AFreeAmerica.com> wrote in message
> news:uemh909566vtmkrvp...@4ax.com...
>
>>Disney Blocks Distribution of Moore Film Critical of Bush
>>
>>Jim Rutenberg, The New York Times, May 5, 2004
>>
>>
>
> http://www.nytimes.com/2004/05/05/national/05DISN.html?hp=&adxnnl=1&adxnnlx=1083758801-jkDZSgdimAlwRDhhD4Y54A
>
>>WASHINGTON, May 4 - The Walt Disney Company is blocking its Miramax
>>division from distributing a new documentary by Michael Moore that
>>harshly criticizes President Bush, executives at both Disney and
>>Miramax said Tuesday.
>>
>>The film, "Fahrenheit 911," links Mr. Bush and prominent Saudis -
>>including the family of Osama bin Laden - and criticizes Mr. Bush's
>>actions before and after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks.
>>
>>Disney, which bought Miramax more than a decade ago, has a contractual
>>agreement with the Miramax principals, Bob and Harvey Weinstein,
>>allowing it to prevent the company from distributing films under
>>certain circumstances, like an excessive budget or an NC-17 rating.
>>
>>Executives at Miramax, who became principal investors in Mr. Moore's
>>project last spring, do not believe that this is one of those cases,
>>people involved in the production of the film said. If a compromise is
>>not reached, these people said, the matter could go to mediation,
>>though neither side is said to want to travel that route.
>>
>>In a statement, Matthew Hiltzik, a spokesman for Miramax, said: "We're
>>discussing the issue with Disney. We're looking at all of our options
>>and look forward to resolving this amicably."
>>
>>But Disney executives indicated that they would not budge from their
>>position forbidding Miramax to be the distributor of the film in
>>North America. Overseas rights have been sold to a number of
>>companies, executives said.
>>
>>"We advised both the agent and Miramax in May of 2003 that the film
>>would not be distributed by Miramax," said Zenia Mucha, a company
>>spokeswoman, referring to Mr. Moore's agent. "That decision stands."
>>
>>Disney came under heavy criticism from conservatives last May after
>>the disclosure that Miramax had agreed to finance the film when Icon
>>Productions, Mel Gibson's company, backed out.
>>
>>Mr. Moore's agent, Ari Emanuel, said Michael D. Eisner, Disney's chief
>>executive, asked him last spring to pull out of the deal with Miramax.
>>Mr. Emanuel said Mr. Eisner expressed particular concern that it
>>would endanger tax breaks Disney receives for its theme park, hotels
>>and other ventures in Florida, where Mr. Bush's brother, Jeb, is
>>governor.
>>
>>"Michael Eisner asked me not to sell this movie to Harvey Weinstein;
>>that doesn't mean I listened to him," Mr. Emanuel said. "He definitely
>>indicated there were tax incentives he was getting for the Disney
>>corporation and that's why he didn't want me to sell it to Miramax. He
>>didn't want a Disney company involved."
>>
>>Disney executives deny that accusation, though they said their
>>displeasure over the deal was made clear to Miramax and Mr. Emanuel.
>>
>>A senior Disney executive elaborated that the company had the right to
>>quash Miramax's distribution of films if it deemed their distribution
>>to be against the interests of the company. The executive said Mr.
>>Moore's film is deemed to be against Disney's interests not because of
>>the company's business dealings with the government but because Disney
>>caters to families of all political stripes and believes Mr. Moore's
>>film, which does not have a release date, could alienate many.
>>
>>"It's not in the interest of any major corporation to be dragged into
>>a highly charged partisan political battle," this executive said.
>>
>>Miramax is free to seek another distributor in North America, but such
>>a deal would force it to share profits and be a blow to Harvey
>>Weinstein, a big donor to Democrats.
>>
>>Mr. Moore, who will present the film at the Cannes film festival this
>>month, criticized Disney's decision in an interview on Tuesday,
>>saying, "At some point the question has to be asked, `Should this be
>>happening in a free and open society where the monied interests
>>essentially call the shots regarding the information that the public
>>is allowed to see?' "
>>
>>Mr. Moore's films, like "Roger and Me" and "Bowling for Columbine,"
>>are often a political lightning rod, as Mr. Moore sets out to skewer
>>what he says are the misguided priorities of conservatives and big
>>business. They have also often performed well at the box office. His
>>most recent movie, "Bowling for Columbine," took in about $22 million
>>in North America for United Artists. His books, like "Stupid White
>>Men," a jeremiad against the Bush administration that has sold more
>>than a million copies, have also been lucrative.
>>
>>Mr. Moore does not disagree that "Fahrenheit 911" is highly charged,
>>but he took issue with the description of it as partisan. "If this
>>is partisan in any way it is partisan on the side of the poor and
>>working people in this country who provide fodder for this war
>>machine," he said.
>>
>>Mr. Moore said the film describes financial connections between the
>>Bush family and its associates and prominent Saudi Arabian families
>>that go back three decades. He said it closely explores the
>>government's role in the evacuation of relatives of Mr. bin Laden
>>from the United States immediately after the 2001 attacks. The film
>>includes comments from American soldiers on the ground in Iraq
>>expressing disillusionment with the war, he said.
>>
>>Mr. Moore once planned to produce the film with Mr. Gibson's company,
>>but "the project wasn't right for Icon," said Alan Nierob, an Icon
>>spokesman, adding that the decision had nothing to do with politics.
>>
>>Miramax stepped in immediately. The company had distributed Mr.
>>Moore's 1997 film, "The Big One." In return for providing most of the
>>new film's $6 million budget, Miramax was positioned to distribute it.
>>
>>While Disney's objections were made clear early on, one executive
>>said the Miramax leadership hoped it would be able to prevail upon
>>Disney to sign off on distribution, which would ideally happen this
>>summer, before the election and when political interest is high.
>>
>>
>>"What they will do is stagger along until there's a major incident
>>and then suddenly say, 'Oh my God, shouldn't we be organized to deal with
>
> this.'"
>
>> --Current U.S. Administrator in Iraq, Paul Bremer, commenting on the
>
> Bush
>
>> Administration, speaking at The McCormick Tribune Foundation
>
> Conference on Terrorism,
>
>> Feb. 26, 2001.
>>
>> http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/04/29/bremer.bush.
>> ap/index.html
>
>
>

Milt

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BÎllary wrote:

> Disney owns many other companies. Most of which ARE liberal. They finally
> put thier foot down on Miramax. It was long in coming. Chew on that
> liberal.

So, they're liberal, except when they're kissing the right wing
government's ass?

Bullshit.
>
>
> "Roger" <rog...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:0B5mc.45212$le5....@newssvr29.news.prodigy.com...


>
>>"Mitchell Holman" <ta2eene...@comcast.com> wrote in message

>>news:Xns94E050786...@204.127.204.17...


>>
>>>"BÎllary" <F. Libe...@vastrightwingconspiracy.gov> wrote in

>>>news:Ql5mc.31731$sK3....@nwrddc03.gnilink.net:
>>>
>>>
>>>>As a Disney shareholder I approve of this decision. There is no


>
> reason
>
>>>>that an all American, family brand name like Disney should be
>
> associated
>
>>>>with left wing wacko socialist propaganda.
>>>
>>>

>>> Please expect this to be thrown in your face the
>>>next time you rant about Disney being "the liberal
>>>media".
>>

>>I prove the stupidity of this mantra every day when conservatives use the
>>"liberal media" to make their points. Look for the "Fucking liberal
>>xxxxx!!!" at the top of a reply.


>>
>>
>>>
>>>> Of course the left wing nuts
>>>>are going to scream "1st amendment". They ignore the fact that
>
> Michael
>
>>>>Moore is free to peddle his smut elsewhere through another
>
> distribution
>

>>>>channel. And that Disney is free to make a business decision that is


>>>>good for it's shareholders GOOD JOB DISNEY!!!!!
>>>
>>>

>>> No, not a First Amendment issue. Just proof
>>>of what liars conservatives are.
>>>
>>>

>>> Mitchell Holman
>>>
>>> Modern conservative: Someone who can take time out
>>>from listening to Rush Limbaugh, Gordon Liddy, Paul
>>>Harvey, Oliver North, Don Imus, Bill O'Rielly, Alan
>>>Keyes and Dr. Laura to remind us that the media is
>>>"dominated by liberals".
>>

>>And Robert "I ruin CIA secrecy" Novak, Sean Hannity, Lou Dobbs, etc.
>>
>>
>
>
>

Milt

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May 5, 2004, 9:16:12 PM5/5/04
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BÎllary wrote:

> I'm hoping that we can outlaw "Gay Day" at the theme park next. Kids don't
> need to be exposed to that kind of adult behavior. I'm not condemning gays,
> just the behavior in front of the young kids. It's not right, and
> mainstream America agrees with ME!!!

Disney posts signs all over the park on Gay Day. No family has to see
"that behavior" unless they consciously choose to.

BTW, what behavior? You think they blow each other on space mountain?
And if they do, what's to stop heterosexuals from doing so the other 364
days each year? Do you wnat your kids seeing THAT behavior?

>
>
> "Mitchell Holman" <ta2eene...@comcast.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns94E050786...@204.127.204.17...
>
>>"BÎllary" <F. Libe...@vastrightwingconspiracy.gov> wrote in
>>news:Ql5mc.31731$sK3....@nwrddc03.gnilink.net:
>>
>>
>>>As a Disney shareholder I approve of this decision. There is no reason
>>>that an all American, family brand name like Disney should be associated
>>>with left wing wacko socialist propaganda.
>>
>>
>> Please expect this to be thrown in your face the
>>next time you rant about Disney being "the liberal
>>media".
>>
>>
>>

Milt

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Steve Canyon wrote:

> On Wed, 05 May 2004 13:03:02 GMT, "BÎllary" <F.

> Libe...@vastrightwingconspiracy.gov> wrote:
>
>
>>I'm hoping that we can outlaw "Gay Day" at the theme park next. Kids don't
>>need to be exposed to that kind of adult behavior. I'm not condemning gays,
>>just the behavior in front of the young kids. It's not right, and
>>mainstream America agrees with ME!!!
>>
>
>

> I wouldn't mind the Disney "gay day" thing if they'd issue some
> baseball bats at the gate to visitors who could the use them to beat
> some common sense into anybody who is behaving inappropriately.
>

Of course, you're the one who gets to decide what's "inappropriate"? You
bigoted clod?

Milt

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May 5, 2004, 9:21:10 PM5/5/04
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Steve Canyon wrote:

> On Wed, 05 May 2004 13:41:58 GMT, Mitchell Holman
> <ta2eene...@comcast.com> wrote:
>
>
>>Steve Canyon <Steven...@yahoooooooooo.com> wrote in
>>news:tnph9013ugvipc6ni...@4ax.com:
>>
>>
>>>On Wed, 05 May 2004 13:03:02 GMT, "BÎllary" <F.
>>>Libe...@vastrightwingconspiracy.gov> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>I'm hoping that we can outlaw "Gay Day" at the theme park next. Kids
>>>>don't need to be exposed to that kind of adult behavior. I'm not
>>>>condemning gays, just the behavior in front of the young kids. It's not
>>>>right, and mainstream America agrees with ME!!!
>>>>
>>>
>>>I wouldn't mind the Disney "gay day" thing if they'd issue some
>>>baseball bats at the gate to visitors who could the use them to beat
>>>some common sense into anybody who is behaving inappropriately.
>>>
>>
>> Boy, the era of "compassionate conservatism" and
>>the "Big Tent GOP" didn't last too long, did it.......
>>
>>
>
>
> <LOL> Since I've never claimed to be a conservative, nor a member of
> the GOP, and I loudly proclaim that I've never had any compassion for
> morons who don't have enough sense to climb out of their own despair,
> your comment is just another pathetic leftist whine...

He doesn't say it, so we can't possibly know that he is, right?

> I have absolutely no interest in what people do behind closed doors,
> but anybody that thinks we ought to be "compassionate" about overt
> sexual activity in an environment like Disneyland is a moron.

And what evidence do you have that any "overt sexual activity" happens
on Gay Day, but no other day?

Most "overt sexual activity" is illegal. Or do you mean kissing and
hugging and holding hands?


Milt

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May 5, 2004, 9:28:53 PM5/5/04
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Mitchell Holman wrote:

And, ironically, he can't be having that much fun. He spends far too
much time on Usenet. Especially for a millionaire... <g>

Milt

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May 5, 2004, 9:31:11 PM5/5/04
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Jeffrey Scott Linder wrote:

> Mitchell Holman <ta2eene...@comcast.com> wrote:
>
>
>>"BÎllary" <F. Libe...@vastrightwingconspiracy.gov> wrote in
>>news:aC5mc.31870$sK3....@nwrddc03.gnilink.net:
>>
>>
>>>I'm hoping that we can outlaw "Gay Day" at the theme park next. Kids
>>>don't need to be exposed to that kind of adult behavior. I'm not
>>>condemning gays, just the behavior in front of the young kids. It's not
>>>right, and mainstream America agrees with ME!!!
>>
>>
>> Using government to tell theme parks what patrons
>>they will be allowed to admit.
>>
>> Another first from the "fewer regulations" plank
>>of the GOP..........
>
>
> Yet I suspect you have no problem with the government telling a
> business whom they should or should not hire...

You simply don't get it, Jeffrey. No one is saying they don't have

Milt

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May 5, 2004, 9:33:57 PM5/5/04
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Jeffrey Scott Linder wrote:

No, fuckwit.

A business open to the public should not be allowed to discriminate.

Disney is, of course, allowed to not distribute Moore's movie. And we're
allowed to point out what a bunch of spineless pathetic fucks they are
for doing so...

Steve Canyon

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May 5, 2004, 9:34:16 PM5/5/04
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On Wed, 05 May 2004 20:41:23 GMT, Mitchell Holman
<ta2eene...@comcast.com> wrote:

Geez. you never heard? That explains why you weren't there, huh?

http://www.gayday.com/

----

"Well, that's the funny thing about terrorists. If they get what they
want, they stop being terrorists."

--Zepp Jamieson explaining how he'd deal with terrorists if they were
trying to kill one of his family members
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=q5sc50lf1id03ms1i9truk78v2dk6052f5%404ax.com


"The South couldn't taken any more of the Missouri Compromise,
sensing (correctly) that it would kill slavery in the end,
and Lincoln planned to uphold it."

--Zepp Jamieson showing that he didn't know that the Missouri compromise
had been both repealed and declared uncosntitutional long before Lincoln
was elected.
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=9j2n5vsqfga7l2fsrt0polt2eg6lqs71hv%404ax.com


******************************************
******************************************


"No person pays corporate taxes. The corporation pays those."
"the corporation is not made up of people. It is made up of paper."

--Milt Shook explaining why he wouldn't mind if the taxes were quadrupled
on the corporation he says he created
http://www.google.com/groups?safe=images&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&as_umsgid=8c046319.0403172013.7bb7c449%40posting.google.com


"The law doesn't "allow" any gender discrimination."

--Milt Shook presumably explaining the "diversity" in his dating habits
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=prqdnVQM8LfCsdLdRVn-ig%40comcast.com


******************************************
******************************************


"Attacking the movie? Not me."
"The only criticism I have of it is that it sounds like a slasher movie"
"But it sounds like the movie is just one pornographic exercise in pain
and suffering"
"....allowing in slo-mo blood spatters like Gibson does."

--Mike Ross protesting too much while venting his displeasure over the
fact that Mel Gibson's movie is a big hit
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******************************************
******************************************


"Those are 187 Salomons and I know how to use them."
"There's a good reason that pretty much _everyone_ has abandoned the
long straight skis nowadays"

--Arne Langsetno bragging about his skiing ability, then, showing that
he doesn't even know that skis have never been "straight" and that you
could never perform the carving turns that advanced skiers do on straight
skis.

http://www.google.com/groups?selm=fF08c.53759%24aT1.41227%40newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net

Steve Canyon

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Hmmmm, so you think homosexual activity in public is fun, eh? I'll
bet you're real popular in your neighborhood.

Steve Canyon

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May 5, 2004, 9:34:18 PM5/5/04
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On Wed, 05 May 2004 20:35:13 GMT, Mitchell Holman
<ta2eene...@comcast.com> wrote:

>Steve Canyon <Steven...@yahoooooooooo.com> wrote in
>news:o5uh90hih0oplk3m5...@4ax.com:
>
>> On Wed, 05 May 2004 13:41:03 GMT, Mitchell Holman
>> <ta2eene...@comcast.com> wrote:
>>
>>>"BÎllary" <F. Libe...@vastrightwingconspiracy.gov> wrote in
>>>news:aC5mc.31870$sK3....@nwrddc03.gnilink.net:
>>>
>>>> I'm hoping that we can outlaw "Gay Day" at the theme park next. Kids
>>>> don't need to be exposed to that kind of adult behavior. I'm not
>>>> condemning gays, just the behavior in front of the young kids. It's
>>>> not right, and mainstream America agrees with ME!!!
>>>
>>>
>>> Using government to tell theme parks what patrons
>>>they will be allowed to admit.
>>>
>>> Another first from the "fewer regulations" plank
>>>of the GOP..........
>>
>> The continued attacks by the media on the Disney organization will
>> either force them to police behavior or eventually the tourists will
>> find other places to spend their vacations. I seriously doubt that
>> there are enough tourists who don't mind their children being exposed
>> to queers prancing around in women's clothing and rubbing on each
>> other to keep the place afloat.
>
>
> With any luck their children will grow up
>knowing that homosexuals are just people, not the
>monsters you ignorant homophobes are so afraid of.

Nobody said that queers are monsters, in fact, I think of them as
being extremely ugly and totally undesirable little animals.

Milt

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May 5, 2004, 9:35:32 PM5/5/04
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BÎllary wrote:

> And I've worked for companies that extended benefits to unmarried and
> homosexual partners. You have me confused with someone else. Billary is a
> "moderate" republican. But nice try. Thanks for playing.
>

A "moderate Republican" who is fully in favor of censorship of ideas
that right wingers don't like?

Yeah, sure.

>
> "Cisco Kid" <ck...@attnet.net> wrote in message
> news:8vqh90h8s82mbgfol...@4ax.com...


>
>>On Wed, 05 May 2004 12:45:36 GMT, "BÎllary" <F.
>>Libe...@vastrightwingconspiracy.gov> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>As a Disney shareholder I approve of this decision. There is no reason
>
> that
>
>>>an all American, family brand name like Disney should be associated with

>>>left wing wacko socialist propaganda. Of course the left wing nuts are


>>>going to scream "1st amendment". They ignore the fact that Michael
>
> Moore
>
>>>is free to peddle his smut elsewhere through another distribution
>
> channel.
>
>>>And that Disney is free to make a business decision that is good for it's
>>>shareholders GOOD JOB DISNEY!!!!!
>>

MikeSoja

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May 5, 2004, 9:21:38 PM5/5/04
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On Wed, 05 May 2004 21:11:52 -0400, Milt <miltrem...@usa.com>
posted:

>BÎllary wrote:

>> As a Disney shareholder I approve of this decision.

>Yep. Typical right winger. You talk about liberty, but you favor
>censorship of anything you don't like.

Yer a typical commie suck ass, Milt. You talk about liberty, but
you favor forcing people to conduct their own affairs as *you* see
fit.

Mike Soja

ps. Disney making decisions in its own interest isn't "censorship",
moron.

Steve Canyon

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May 5, 2004, 9:59:16 PM5/5/04
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On Wed, 05 May 2004 21:21:10 -0400, Milt <miltrem...@usa.com>
wrote:

Evidence of a negative? You must be kidding, Milt..

Oh, I forgot, Milt is a moron.

Gay day at disneyland seems to bring out the worst behavior. Perhaps
it's that there are so many of them that they feel brave enough to act
out where they know that if they did it most other places there might
likely be some severe consequences.

>Most "overt sexual activity" is illegal.

Yep, sure is....

> Or do you mean kissing and
>hugging and holding hands?
>

As disgusting as it is to see two "same-sexes" doing that, I'll let it
pass as long as they limit their activities to the same stuff
allowable in public by heterosexuals.

Steve Canyon

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May 5, 2004, 9:59:18 PM5/5/04
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On Wed, 05 May 2004 21:28:53 -0400, Milt <miltrem...@usa.com>
wrote:

I spend roughly an hour a day, usually while I'm doing my morning
business. Milt, OTOH must spend hours putting his silly "blog"
together.

Steve Canyon

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May 5, 2004, 9:59:20 PM5/5/04
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On Thu, 06 May 2004 00:21:59 GMT, fish...@conservatory.com (james)
wrote:

<LOL> Wanting sex with another man is the definition of effeminate
pansy.

Steve Canyon

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May 5, 2004, 9:59:21 PM5/5/04
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On Wed, 05 May 2004 21:17:06 -0400, Milt <miltrem...@usa.com>
wrote:

<LOL> Yeah...

Steve Canyon

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May 5, 2004, 9:59:23 PM5/5/04
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On Wed, 05 May 2004 21:16:12 -0400, Milt <miltrem...@usa.com>
wrote:

>BÎllary wrote:
>
>> I'm hoping that we can outlaw "Gay Day" at the theme park next. Kids don't
>> need to be exposed to that kind of adult behavior. I'm not condemning gays,
>> just the behavior in front of the young kids. It's not right, and
>> mainstream America agrees with ME!!!
>
>Disney posts signs all over the park on Gay Day. No family has to see
>"that behavior" unless they consciously choose to.

So the signs make it OK? The problem is that sometimes people come
from a long distance to spend time at Disneyland and they weren't
fore-warned that there was going to be a bunch of flaming queers
playing grab-ass all over the place. So

>BTW, what behavior? You think they blow each other on space mountain?
>And if they do, what's to stop heterosexuals from doing so the other 364
>days each year? Do you wnat your kids seeing THAT behavior?

Nope, but the chances of seeing it on "gay day" are many times higher.

Steve Canyon

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May 5, 2004, 9:59:24 PM5/5/04
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On Wed, 05 May 2004 21:11:52 -0400, Milt <miltrem...@usa.com>
wrote:

>BÎllary wrote:
>> As a Disney shareholder I approve of this decision.
>
>Yep. Typical right winger. You talk about liberty, but you favor
>censorship of anything you don't like.

<LOL> I favor the right of businessmen to control the distribution
of their products. Too bad that Moore is a dumbass and picked the
wrong place to go for financing. Call it censorship if you like, I
call it "very funny."

Steve Canyon

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May 5, 2004, 9:59:26 PM5/5/04
to
On Wed, 05 May 2004 21:35:32 -0400, Milt <miltrem...@usa.com>
wrote:

>BÎllary wrote:
>
>> And I've worked for companies that extended benefits to unmarried and
>> homosexual partners. You have me confused with someone else. Billary is a
>> "moderate" republican. But nice try. Thanks for playing.
>>
>
>A "moderate Republican" who is fully in favor of censorship of ideas
>that right wingers don't like?
>

Blah, blah, blah, it isn;t censorship unless the government does it,
you moron. What happened to dumbass, fatboy Moore, is that he made a
movie that his sponsors disapproved of and they control it.

james

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May 5, 2004, 10:02:02 PM5/5/04
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In article <gs5j90d3buud2oc6i...@4ax.com>,
Steve Canyon <Steven...@yahoooooooooo.com> wrote:

><LOL> Wanting sex with another man is the definition of effeminate
>pansy.

yeah. But my friend spend about ten years as a carny worker. And about
20 years as a blacksmith. I don't think you'd take him for a pansy.
You probably wouldn't even realize he's gay, until after you'd offended
him past his high tolerance.

You sure as hell wouldn't want to be Fred Phelps and get in his way, not
in those days.

Okay, so, maybe my friend is the exception. But be careful with your
stereotypes. They might get you in trouble.

Foxtrot

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May 5, 2004, 10:09:10 PM5/5/04
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Milt <miltrem...@usa.com> wrote:

>BÎllary wrote:
>> As a Disney shareholder I approve of this decision.
>
>Yep. Typical right winger. You talk about liberty, but you favor
>censorship of anything you don't like.

Horseshit. Disney decided not to distribute Moore's latest
vitriolic rant because it's bad business to insult the tens of
millions of people who don't see Bush as a megalomaniac,
like the hate-filled Moore does. It has nothing to do with
where it falls on the political spectrum. They wouldn't
distribute a film that attacked BJ in such a way either.

>That's the difference between right and left.
>
>I have been outspoken

<sanctimonious rant mercifully snipped>

Sid9, Liberal

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May 5, 2004, 10:18:13 PM5/5/04
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Dummy.
That's loss of freedom to dissent.
That's what your beloved second amendment is about.
We disagree with the threat that Disney perceives from the government


Mitchell Holman

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May 5, 2004, 10:24:41 PM5/5/04
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Steve Canyon <Steven...@yahoooooooooo.com> wrote in
news:866j9091a02c0nart...@4ax.com:

> On Wed, 05 May 2004 21:16:12 -0400, Milt <miltrem...@usa.com>
> wrote:
>
>>BÎllary wrote:
>>
>>> I'm hoping that we can outlaw "Gay Day" at the theme park next. Kids
>>> don't need to be exposed to that kind of adult behavior. I'm not
>>> condemning gays, just the behavior in front of the young kids. It's
>>> not right, and mainstream America agrees with ME!!!
>>
>>Disney posts signs all over the park on Gay Day. No family has to see
>>"that behavior" unless they consciously choose to.
>
> So the signs make it OK? The problem is that sometimes people come
> from a long distance to spend time at Disneyland and they weren't
> fore-warned that there was going to be a bunch of flaming queers
> playing grab-ass all over the place. So
>
>>BTW, what behavior? You think they blow each other on space mountain?
>>And if they do, what's to stop heterosexuals from doing so the other 364
>>days each year? Do you wnat your kids seeing THAT behavior?
>
>
> Nope, but the chances of seeing it on "gay day" are many times higher.


My God, you are talking about ONE DAY OF THE YEAR!

Get a life. If you don't like it, don't go then.

Why is that sooooo complicated for you?

PS: Would you feel better if "gay day" included
Cheney's lesbian daughter, Newts lesbian sister,
Schlafley's gay son and Goldwater's gay son. Oh, and
the son of Operation Rescue's Randall Terry just
came out of the closet last month. Must be the fault
of the "failed liberal values" they were raised with, eh?

know-buddy

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May 5, 2004, 10:25:01 PM5/5/04
to

Mr. Moore does not disagree that "Fahrenheit 911" is highly charged,
but he took issue with the description of it as partisan. "If this is
partisan in any way it is partisan on the side of the poor and working
people in this country who provide fodder for this war machine," he
said.

Mr. Moore said the film describes financial connections between the
Bush family and its associates and prominent Saudi Arabian families
that go back three decades. He said it closely explores the
government's role in the evacuation of relatives of Mr. bin Laden from
the United States immediately after the 2001 attacks. The film
includes comments from American soldiers on the ground in Iraq
expressing disillusionment with the war, he said.


copied from:
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/05/05/national/05DISN.html?pagewanted=print&position=

R

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May 5, 2004, 10:26:44 PM5/5/04
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In article <0k4j90h12vtq16rtj...@4ax.com>, mso...@newsguy.com
says...

My message to Disney:

I heard today that you will not release the doco about 9/11.
I am disappointed that you will not allow free speech and
alternative views. I would probably not agree with Michael
Moore, but would like to hear his opinion and respect
his right to share his opinion. If, as a company' you do
not agree with him, just state so at the beginning of the
documentary and let people judge for them selves. I am
sure it is not for financial consideration that you are
not releasing the doco, as it is sure to make money. If
you are an honest American company, stand up for the
right to free speech!


>
What do others think? Should Moore be censored for the
sake of Mr. Bush and his election campaign, or should he
have the right to free speech?

Mitchell Holman

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May 5, 2004, 10:30:46 PM5/5/04
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Steve Canyon <Steven...@yahoooooooooo.com> wrote in
news:e95j90dp6k7h0v5n7...@4ax.com:


Actually, I have never been to a Disney park. But then,
I like to think I have better things to do than go any "theme"
park.


>
> http://www.gayday.com/


Funny - I don't see any of the "overt sexual activity"
you fear so at that site. Perhaps you could point it out
for us.


Mitchell Holman

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May 5, 2004, 10:32:02 PM5/5/04
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Steve Canyon <Steven...@yahoooooooooo.com> wrote in
news:n95j901otm2k2biqr...@4ax.com:

> On Wed, 05 May 2004 20:43:06 GMT, Mitchell Holman
> <ta2eene...@comcast.com> wrote:
>
>>Steve Canyon <Steven...@yahoooooooooo.com> wrote in
>>news:v5vh90l7o8eq36em1...@4ax.com:
>>
>>> On Wed, 05 May 2004 14:17:26 GMT, fish...@conservatory.com (james)
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>In article <tnph9013ugvipc6ni...@4ax.com>,
>>>>Steve Canyon <Steven...@yahoooooooooo.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>I wouldn't mind the Disney "gay day" thing if they'd issue some
>>>>>baseball bats at the gate to visitors who could the use them to beat
>>>>>some common sense into anybody who is behaving inappropriately.
>>>>
>>>>Are you advocating the use of violence directed against American
>>>>civilians?
>>>
>>> Yeah.. <shrug>
>>
>>
>> Like most conservatives, "Steve Canyon" can't
>>stand the thought that someone, somewhere, is
>>having more fun than he is.
>>
>
>
> Hmmmm, so you think homosexual activity in public is fun, eh?


What do you consider to be "homosexual activity"?
Guys walking together? Women kissing? Rosie on TV?


Mitchell Holman

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May 5, 2004, 10:33:47 PM5/5/04
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Steve Canyon <Steven...@yahoooooooooo.com> wrote in
news:he5j901k1fovgt697...@4ax.com:


How do you know? Ever seen it for yourself?


>
>>Most "overt sexual activity" is illegal.
>
> Yep, sure is....
>
>> Or do you mean kissing and
>>hugging and holding hands?
>>
>
> As disgusting as it is to see two "same-sexes" doing that, I'll let it
> pass as long as they limit their activities to the same stuff
> allowable in public by heterosexuals.


Still waiting for your proof of "overt sexual
activity" at Disneyworld.


Foxtrot

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May 5, 2004, 10:37:23 PM5/5/04
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"Sid9, Liberal" <si...@bellsouth.net> wrote:

>Foxtrot wrote:
>> Horseshit. Disney decided not to distribute Moore's latest
>> vitriolic rant because it's bad business to insult the tens of
>> millions of people who don't see Bush as a megalomaniac,
>> like the hate-filled Moore does. It has nothing to do with
>> where it falls on the political spectrum. They wouldn't
>> distribute a film that attacked BJ in such a way either.

>Dummy.


>That's loss of freedom to dissent.
>That's what your beloved second amendment is about.
>We disagree with the threat that Disney perceives from the government

With the resources at their disposal, Disney isn't afraid
of anybody, including the government. FYI there is life
beyond the government.

Disney simply doesn't want to offend large numbers of
their customers with a politically divisive movie.

zepp

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May 5, 2004, 10:40:41 PM5/5/04
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On Thu, 06 May 2004 02:09:10 GMT, Foxtrot <fox...@null.com> wrote:

>Milt <miltrem...@usa.com> wrote:
>
>>BÎllary wrote:
>>> As a Disney shareholder I approve of this decision.
>>
>>Yep. Typical right winger. You talk about liberty, but you favor
>>censorship of anything you don't like.
>
>Horseshit. Disney decided not to distribute Moore's latest
>vitriolic rant because it's bad business to insult the tens of
>millions of people who don't see Bush as a megalomaniac,
>like the hate-filled Moore does. It has nothing to do with
>where it falls on the political spectrum. They wouldn't
>distribute a film that attacked BJ in such a way either.

Could you show us where in the film Moore calls Putsch a megalomaniac?

Incidently, if you can't criticize a president because it might offend
his delicate little followers, then America is finished.


>
>>That's the difference between right and left.
>>
>>I have been outspoken
>
><sanctimonious rant mercifully snipped>

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just a little more than an hour ago, but unlike last year, there's no
extensive mention of alleged terrorist mastermind Osama bin Laden. A
senior State Department official tells CNN the U.S. government made a
mistake in focusing so much energy on bin Laden and 'personalizing
terrorism.'"

-- CNN, 4/30/2001.


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May 5, 2004, 10:43:28 PM5/5/04
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On Wed, 05 May 2004 21:21:38 -0400, MikeSoja <mso...@newsguy.com>
wrote:

It is when they have to break the terms of agreement with their own
subsidiary in order to do so. Miramax doesn't answer to Disney on
distribution of films, as long as two criterion are met: the film
isn't over budget (and Moore's wasn't) and it isn't rated NC-17.

MikeSoja

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May 5, 2004, 10:59:43 PM5/5/04
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On Thu, 06 May 2004 02:26:44 GMT, r0071230...@yahoo.co.nz (R)
posted:

>My message to Disney:

>I heard today that you will not release the doco about 9/11.
>I am disappointed that you will not allow free speech and
>alternative views. I would probably not agree with Michael
>Moore, but would like to hear his opinion and respect
>his right to share his opinion. If, as a company' you do
>not agree with him, just state so at the beginning of the
>documentary and let people judge for them selves. I am
>sure it is not for financial consideration that you are
>not releasing the doco, as it is sure to make money.

There are all sorts of money-making ventures in which Disney chooses
not to invest. They choose not to invest in the distribution of
Moore's propaganda. That's their business. Such choice is the
essence of freedom. Michael Moore and other ignorant commie suck
asses like Milt and yourself, would rather that the commie suck ass
elite, as personified by Michael Moore, Hillary Clinton, and John
Kerry, have the say of what gets distributed or created or built in
this country, instead of the people who actually plunk down their
own money and their own reputations in their own businesses.

>If you are an honest American company, stand up for the
>right to free speech!

Nobody is censoring Moore. Additionally, no one is obligated to
distribute his vile crap for him.

>What do others think? Should Moore be censored for the
>sake of Mr. Bush and his election campaign, or should he
>have the right to free speech?

Only an ignorant commie suck ass could claim that Disney is
"censoring" Moore by refusing to allow their assets and good name to
be used in the effort of promoting his crap. Moore is free to find
other outlets.

Perhaps Moore's jaundiced views of America haven't served him as
well as his commie suck ass idolators think they have.

Mike Soja

MikeSoja

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May 5, 2004, 11:27:20 PM5/5/04
to
On Wed, 05 May 2004 19:40:41 -0700, zepp
<zeppn...@finestplanet.com> posted:

>Incidently, if you can't criticize a president because it might offend
>his delicate little followers, then America is finished.

And then commie suck ass Jamieson will throw a little party. At
taxpayer expense, if at all possible.


Mike Soja

MikeSoja

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May 5, 2004, 11:25:02 PM5/5/04
to
On Wed, 05 May 2004 19:43:28 -0700, zepp
<zeppn...@finestplanet.com> posted:

>On Wed, 05 May 2004 21:21:38 -0400, MikeSoja <mso...@newsguy.com>
>wrote:

>>On Wed, 05 May 2004 21:11:52 -0400, Milt <miltrem...@usa.com>
>>posted:

>>>BÎllary wrote:

>>>> As a Disney shareholder I approve of this decision.

>>>Yep. Typical right winger. You talk about liberty, but you favor
>>>censorship of anything you don't like.

>>Yer a typical commie suck ass, Milt. You talk about liberty, but
>>you favor forcing people to conduct their own affairs as *you* see
>>fit.

>>Mike Soja

>>ps. Disney making decisions in its own interest isn't "censorship",
>>moron.

>It is when they have to break the terms of agreement with their own
>subsidiary in order to do so.

Howzat, tubby? I think you need to look up the definition of
censorship. The definition doesn't hinge on "agreement[s]".

Matter of fact, zippy you probably ought to stick your fat head back
up your fat commie ass and see if you can find any evidence of any
"agreement" that Disney did "break the terms of", as you so lyingly
put it. When Miramax undertook the financing of Moore's suck ass
film, a year ago or more, Miramax was told then by Disney that they
would not be distributing the vile thing. It was in The Times,
scumbag. Read all about it.

>Miramax doesn't answer to Disney on
>distribution of films, as long as two criterion are met: the film
>isn't over budget (and Moore's wasn't) and it isn't rated NC-17.

Those are two criteria. Those aren't the only two criteria in the
formal contractual agreement between Miramax and its parent, as you
well know, but you're just another lying commie suck ass scumbag.

Right, zippy?


Mike Soja

MikeSoja

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On Thu, 06 May 2004 02:26:44 GMT, r0071230...@yahoo.co.nz (R)
posted:

<snips>

>I heard today that you will not release the doco about 9/11.
>I am disappointed that you will not allow free speech and
>alternative views. I would probably not agree with Michael
>Moore, but would like to hear his opinion and respect
>his right to share his opinion.

Here's a list of 297 film distributors *other* than Miramax. Why
not be a hero and phone the list in to commie suck ass Michael
Moore? See if any of *them* want to associate themselves with one
of capitalism's biggest haters.


http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/cgi-bin/db_mrc.pl?type=Documentary

DISTRIBUTORS DATABASE SEARCH RESULTS

Your Search Retrieved 297 Items

A & E (Arts and Entertainment) Home Video
125 Fifth Ave., 15th Fl.
New York, NY 10011
Phone: (708) 328-6700, (800) 423-1212, orders: (800) 625-9000
http://www.aetv.com/

ARC Videodance
150 5th Avenue, Suite 324
New York, NY 10011
Phone: (212) 206-6492
Notes: Dance performance and study

ATARA Releasing/San Francisco Jewish Film Festival
2600 Tenth Street, Suite 251B
Berkeley, CA 94710
Phone: 510-548-0556
Fax: 510-548-0536
jewis...@aol.com
http://www.sfjff.org

Academic Media Network
(Educational Video Network)
aca...@pioneer.net
http://www.infsol.com/amn/

Acorn Media
7910 Woodmont Ave., Suite 350
Bethesda, MD 20814
Phone: (800) 999-0212
Fax: (301) 907-9049
in...@acornmedia.com
http://www.acornmedia.com

African American Videos
755 O'Farrell St. #309
San Francisco, CA 94115
Fax: (415) 346-2055
ave...@best.com
http://www.amvideos.com:80/index.html
Notes: Black female-owned and operated video catalog service
presents the first cyber catalog with a selection of videos
exploring the Black experience

Aims Multimedia
formerly: The Media Guild
9710 DeSoto Ave.
Chatsworth, CA 91311-4409
Phone: 800-367-2467, 818-773-4300
Fax: 818-341-6700
http://www.aimsmultimedia.com

Alden Films
P.O. Box 449
Clarksburg, NJ 08510
Phone: (732) 462-3522
Fax: (732) 294-0330
aldf...@bellatlantic.net
http://www.aldenfilms.com
Notes: Videos on Israel and Judaism; special interest videos on art
and women's self defense.

Altschul Group Corporation
1560 Sherman Ave., Suite 100
Evanston, IL 60201-9971
Phone: (800) 323-9084, (708) 328-6700
Fax: (708) 328-6706
http://www.agcmedia.com/

Ambrose Video Publishing Inc.
1290 Avenue of the Americas, Suite 2245
New York, New York 10104
Phone: 800-526-4663
Fax: 212-768-9282
ambrosevideo.com
http://www.ambrosevideo.com/
Notes: Broadcast quality documentaries and educational videos for
schools, libraries and other institutions. Sciences, social studies,
health; BBC Shakespeare series.

American Dance Festival
Box 90772
Durham, NC 27708-0772
Phone: (919) 684-6402
http://www.americandancefestival.org/

American Film Foundation
1333 Ocean Avenue
Santa Monica, CA 90401
Phone: (310) 459-2116
Fax: (310) 394-1260

American Mathematical Society
P.O. Box 5904
Boston, MA 02206-5904
Phone: (800) 321-4267
Fax: (401) 331-3842
http://www.ams.org/bookstore/

American Portrait Films, Inc.
P.O. Box 19266
Cleveland, OH 44119-1545
Phone: (800) 736-4567
Fax: (216) 531-8355
Notes: Christian issues; abortion, youth, politics

American Psychological Association
Order Department, P.O. Box 92984
Washington, DC 20090-2984
Phone: (800) 374-2721
or...@apa.org

American Social History Productions, Inc.
Purchasing Dept., 99 Hudson St., Third Floor
New York, NY 10013
Phone: (212) 966-4248, ext. 201
Fax: (212) 966-4589
pbe...@email.gc.cuny.edu
http://spanky.osc.cuny.edu/~ashp/index.html

Annenberg/CPB
PO Box 2345
South Burlington, VT 05407-2345
Phone: 800-LEARNER
Fax: 802-864-9846
in...@learner.org
http://www.learner.org/

Anthology Film Archives
32 Second Avenue
New York, NY 10003
Phone: 212-505-5181
http://www.arthouseinc.com/anthology/

Anti-Defamation League of B'nai B'rith
823 United Nations Plaza
New York, New York 10017
Phone: (212) 490-2525
Fax: (212) 867-0779

Appalshop, Inc.
306 Madison St.
Whitesburg, KY 41858
Phone: (800) 545-7467, (606) 633-0108
Fax: (606) 633-1009
appalsh...@appalshop.org
http://www.appalshop.org
Notes: Award-winning films and videotapes, featuring people from the
southern Appalachian mountains. Environmental issues; folk culture;
literature; coal mining history and culture.

Aquarius Health Care Videos
5 Powderhouse Lane, P.O. Box 1159
Sherborn, MA 01770
Phone: (508) 651-2963
Fax: (508) 650-4216
aqvi...@tiac.net
http://www.aquariusproductions.com

Aquarius Productions, Inc.
5 Powderhouse Lane
Sherborn, MA 01770
Phone: (508) 651-2963
Fax: (508) 650-4216
aqvi...@ixl.net
http://www.aquariusproductions.com
Notes: Producers and distributors of contemporary videos on health &
healing issues

Ark Media Group, Ltd./New Era Media
425 Alabama St.
San Francisco, CA 94110
Phone: 415-863-7200

Art Com (Contemporary Arts Press)
PO Box 193123 Rincon Annex
San Francisco, CA 94119-3125
Phone: (415) 431-7524
Notes: Contemporary and avant garde arts, performance and video art

ArtMattan Productions
535 Cathedral Parkway, Suite 14B
New York, NY 10025
Fax: (212) 316-6020
http://www.africanfilm.com
Notes: Films focus on the human experience of black people in
Africa, the Caribbean, North and South America, and Europe

Arthouse, Inc.
154 Grand Street, Suite 208
New York, NY 10013
Phone: 212 334-6165
Fax: 212 334-6273
arth...@arthouseinc.com
http://www.arthouseinc.com
Notes: Avant garde and experimental film and video

Arthur Cantor Video Collection
1501 Broadway, Suite 403
New York, NY 10036
Phone: (800) 237-3801
Fax: (212) 391-2650
http://www.arthurcantor.com/film.htm
Notes: Film classics; Jewish heritage; art; music; world cultures

Artistic License, Inc.
P.O. Box 19407
Sacramento, CA 95819-0407
Phone: (916) 456-6046
Fax: (916) 456-1534
Notes: Contemporary Russian documentary films

Arts and Entertainment TV (A&E)
Phone: (212) 206-8600 ext 237
Fax: (802) 864-9846
http://www.aetv.com/index2.html

ArtsAmerica, Inc.
9 Benedict Pl.
Greenwich, Ct. 06830-5321
Phone: (800) 553-5278, (203) 869-4694
Fax: (203) 869-3075
arts...@aol.com
http://www.artsAmerica.com
Notes: Over 500 titles on art, artists, and art history

Athos Films Distribution
Husemannstr. 5, 10435
Berlin, Germany
Phone: 49-30-449-9769
www.athos-films.com

Atlantic Video
1940 Walnut Plaza
Carrollton, TX 75006-5810
Phone: 800-259-3445
Fax: 972-478-5544
http://www.bollywoodarts.com
Notes: South Asian video

Australian Broadcasting Corporation
G.P.O Box 9994
Sydney 2001, Australia
Phone: +61 3 9626 1167
Fax: +61 3 9602 5221
abc...@your.abc.net.au
http://shop.abc.net.au/

Avatar Communication
1415 Lamar Dr.
Kamloops, BC, Canada V2C 5C8
Phone: (250) 573-6024
Fax: (250) 573-6025
ava...@direct.ca
http://www.grizzly-systems.com/avatar/webpage.htm
Notes: Producer and distributor of Children's agricultural videos

BBC Videos for Education and Training
Woodlands, 80 Wood Lane
London W12 0TT, England
Fax: 0180-576 2916

BBC/Worldwide Americas
747 3rd Avenue
New York, NY 10017
Phone: (212) 705-9300
Fax: (212) 705-9344
http://www.bbc-worldwide-americas.com/

Baker & Taylor Video
Phone: (800) 775-4100
Fax: (800) 775-3500

Bandana Productions
909 E. Glendale Ave.
Shorewood, WI 53211
Phone: (414) 964-3742
Fax: (414) 964-5484
ban...@uwm.edu

Barr Media Group
12801 Schabarum Avenue
Los Angeles, CA 91706-7878
Phone: (818) 338-7878
Fax: (818) 814-2672

Baxley Media Group
110 West Main Street
Urbana, IL 61801
Phone: (800) 421-6999
Fax: (217) 384-8280
car...@baxleymedia.com
http://www.baxleymedia.com/
Notes: A woman-owned business, since 1983. Over one hundred programs
in: psychological and ethical issues in health care, programs for
schools and businesses.

Benchmark Media
569 No. State Rd.
Briarcliff Manor, NY 10510
Phone: (800) 438-5564, (914) 762-3838
Fax: (914) 762-3895
bench...@aol.com

Best Film and Video Corp.
108 New South Road
Hisksville, NY 11801
Phone: (516) 931-6969

Big World Inc.
1350 Pine St., Suite 5
Boulder, CO 80302
Phone: (800) 682-1261
bigw...@aol.com
Notes: Instructional videos for international business

Blackside, Inc.
486 Shawmut Avenue
Boston, MA 02118
Phone: (617) 536-6900

Bonjour America
Plattsburgh, NY
Phone: (800) 330-9565
Notes: French language videos with no subtitles

Brookside Media
P.O. Box 612
Trumbull, CT 06611
Phone: (800) 934-4336
Fax: (800) 920-8892

Budget Films
4590 Santa Monica Blvd.
Los Angeles, CA 90029
Phone: 213-660-0187

Bullfrog Films, Inc.
PO Box 149
Oley, PA 19547
Phone: (800) 543-3764, (610) 779-8226
Fax: (610) 370-1978
vi...@bullfrogfilms.com
http://www.bullfrogfilms.com
Notes: Topic areas include environment, ecology, sustainable
development, indigenous people, cultural diversity, and performing
arts, music and dance

C-SPAN Archives
Public Affairs Video Archives (PAVA)
Orders to: PO Box 620, Lafayette IN 47902
West Lafayette, IN 47907-1000
Phone: 877-662-7726
Fax: 765-497-9699
in...@pava.purdue.edu
http://www.pava.purdue.edu
Notes: Mailing address: Purdue University, 1000 Liberal Arts &
Education Bldg.

CPEDERF (Centre Parisien dEtudes et du Documentation pour
lEnseignement et le Rayonnement du Francais)
10 avenue Felix Faure
75015 Paris, France
Phone: 33-3 86-36-46-85
Fax: 33-3 86-59-56-91
Cpe...@wanadoo.fr

CRM Films
2215 Faraday Ave.
Carlsbad, CA 92008
Phone: (800) 421-0833, (619) 431-9800
Fax: (619) 931-5792
http://www.crmfilms.com/
Notes: Over 400 video titles with topics including: Change
Management, Communication and Customer Service to Leadership,
Diversity, Empowerment, Quality Improvement, Team Building,
Organization Development. CRM producies its own titles, and
distributes a compatible portfolio of videos, books, audiotapes and
training instruments for other training product producers. The
exclusive source for the American Management Assn's Group Training
Videos.

California Newsreel
Order Department: P.O.B. 2284
South Burlington, VT 05407
Phone: 877-811-7495
Fax: 802-846-1850
con...@newsreel.org
http://www.newsreel.org
Notes: Non-profit, documentary film and video production and
distribution center, since 1968. Titles include: award-winning
collections of African American video, African video, video on the
workplace, and media and society. For questions about programming,
for catalogs or to speak to Newsreel staff contact: California
Newsreel, 500 Third St., Ste. 505, San Francisco, CA 94107, voice:
415-284-7800, fax: 415-284-7801

Cambridge Documentary Films, Inc.
PO Box 390385
Cambridge, MA 02139-0004
Phone: (617) 484-3993
Fax: (617) 484-0754
ma...@cambridgedocumentaryfilms.org
http://www.cambridgedocumentaryfilms.org

Campaigns and Elections
P.O. Box 98273
Washington, D.C. 20090
Phone: (800) 771-8252
Fax: (301) 559-5167

Canadian Film Distribution Center
SUNY Plattsburgh, Feinberg Library - Room 128
2 Draper Ave., Plattsburgh, NY 12901
Phone: (800) 388-6784
Fax: (518) 564-2112
smi...@splava.cc.plattsburgh.edu
http://canada-acsus.plattsburgh.edu/video.htm

Canyon Cinema
145 Ninth Street, Suite 260
San Francisco, CA 94103
Phone: 510-626-2255
fi...@canyoncinema.com
http://www.canyoncinema.com
Notes: Experimental and avant garde film and video; performance
works; video art

CareerTrack
3085 Center Green Drive
Boulder, CO 80301-5408
Phone: (800)325-5854
Fax: (800) 685-7005
sa...@careertrack.com
http://www.careertrack.com
Notes: Audio and video materials dealing with management,
supervision, customer service, work productivity, training/human
resources, personal growth, presentation skills, computer skills,
and other business-related topics.

Carousel Film & Video
250 Fifth Avenue, Suite 204
New York, NY 10001
Phone: (800) 683-1660
Fax: (212) 683-1662
caro...@pipeline.com

Castle Video Resources, Inc.
801 West Mineral Avenue
Littleton, CO 80120-4501
Phone: (800) 521-5104, (303) 797-9379
Fax: (303) 797-9394
Notes: Travel films

Center For Defense Information
1500 Massachusetts Ave. NW
Washington, DC 20005
Phone: (800) 234-3334, (202) 862-0700
Fax: (202) 862-0708
in...@cdi.org
http://www.cdi.org/
Notes: Founded as an independent monitor of the military in 1972,
CDI is a private, nongovernmental, research organization, supporting
adequate defense by evaluating our defense needs and how best to
meet them without wasteful spending or compromising our national
security.

Center for Cuban Studies
124 W. 23rd St.
New York, NY 10011
Phone: 212-242-0559
Fax: 212-242-1937
cuba...@igc.org
http://www.cubaupdate.org

Center for Educational Telecommunications
1460 Washington St.
San Francisco, CA 94109
Phone: (415) 673-6428

Center for Educational Telecommunications (CET)
1940 Hearst Ave.
Berkeley, CA 94709
Phone: (510) 848-1656
c...@cetl.org
http://www.cetel.org/

Center for Media Literacy
4727 Wilshire Blvd., Suite 403
Los Angeles, CA 90010
Phone: (800) 226-9494
Fax: (213) 931-4474
http://www.medialit.org

Center for New American Media
524 Broadway
New York, NY 10012
Phone: (212) 925-5665, (800) 343-5540
http://www.cnam.com

Center for South Asia
1155 Observatory Drive, 203 Ingraham Hall
Madison, WI 53706
Phone: (608) 262-4884

Center for Southern Folklore
130 Beale Street
Memphis, TN 38103
Phone: (901) 525-3655
Fax: (901) 525-3945
http://www.southernfolklore.com

Checkerboard Foundation
250 West 54th
New York, NY 10019
Phone: 212-664-1746
http://www.checkerboardfilms.org
Notes: Founded in 1979, serves as a film and video production
company dedicated to documenting the American arts for educational
and archival purposes.

Cheng & Tsui Company
25 West Street
Boston, MA 02111-1268
Phone: 800-554-1963, 617-988-2401
Fax: 617-426-3669
ord...@cheng-tsui.com
Notes: Publisher and distributor of books about Asia; distributor of
feature films and television programming on video from Japan, Korea,
and China; documentary videos about Asia

China Books
2929 24th Street
San Francisco, CA 94110
Phone: (415) 282-2994

Chip Taylor Communications
15 Spollett Dr.
Derry, NH 03038
Phone: (603) 434-9262, (800) 876-2447
Fax: (603) 432-2723
ch...@chiptaylor.com
http://www.chiptaylor.com

Chip Taylor Communications
2 East View Drive
Derry, NH 03038
Phone: (603) 434-9262, (800) 876-2447
Fax: (603) 432-2723
sa...@chiptaylor.com
http://www.chiptaylor.com
Notes: Art and Artists, Cinema - Theater - Television, Environmental
Studies, Language Arts, Math, Reading, Social Studies/Sciences,
Stock Footage, Technology

Cinnamon Productions
19 Wild Rose Road
Westport, CT 06880
Phone: (203) 221-0613
Fax: (203) 227-0840
Notes: Native American topics

Clearvue/eav
Formerly: Centre Productions, Inc. & Churchill Films, Inc.
6465 North Avondale Avenue
Chicago, IL 60631-1996
Phone: (800) CLEARVU (253-2788)
Fax: (800) 444-9855
http://www.clearvue.com/

Collision Course Video Productions
Aka: Paradigm Productions
P.O. Box 347383
San Francisco, CA 94134-7383
Phone: (888) 305-1341
Fax: (415) 587-0818

Commedia Dell'Arte Communications
P.O. Box 2128
Pt. Washington, NY 11050
Phone: Orders: (800) 892-0860, Service/billing/research: (516)
767-7576
Fax: (516) 767-7576
Notes: drama classics

Common Ground Productions (CGP)
1601 Connecticut Ave. NW, Suite 200
Washington, DC 20009
Phone: (202) 265-4300
Fax: (202) 232-6718
c...@sfcg.org
http://www.searchforcommonground.org/cgpmain.htm
Notes: TV and radio production, often co-produced with local media
companies and broadcast outlets, emphasizes a common ground approach
in presenting issues. CGP deals with contentious problems in
entertaining, informative ways, while still promoting the search for
solutions.

Commonwealth Films
223 Commonwealth Ave.
Boston, MA 02116
Phone: (617) 262-5634
Fax: (617) 262-6948
in...@commonwealthfilms.com
http://www.commonwealthfilms.com/
Notes: Award-winning, dramatized productions have been training
tools for tens of thousands of companies, institutions and
government agencies. Information/computer security videos; legal
compliance & management issues videos.

Compas de La Primavera
Asheley Eames
Wentworth, NH 03282
Phone: (603) 764-9948

Concept Media
PO Box 19542
Irvine, CA 92623
Phone: 800-233-7078
www.conceptmedia.com
Notes: Psychology, Human Development, Nursing and Allied Healthcare,
Substance Abuse Counseling, Human Resources/Security

Connoisseur Video
10A Stephen Mews
London W1 OAX, United Kingdom
Phone: 171-957-8957
Fax: 171-957-8968

Convention Cassettes Unlimited
(Landes Slezak Group)
74-923 Hoveley Lane East, Suite 250
Palm Desert, CA 92260
Phone: (800) 776-5454, (760) 773-4498
Fax: (760) 773-9671
c...@landesslezak.com
http://www.landesslezak.com/ccu/index.htm
Notes: Producer and distributor of taped convention programming,
workshops, etc.

Corinth Films
34 Ganseveroot Street
New York, NY 10014
Phone: (212) 463-0305

Creative Arts Television Archive
PO Box 739
Kent, CT 06757
Phone: (860) 868-1771
Fax: (860) 868-9999
catar...@aol.com
Notes: Several archives of filmed and videotaped arts documentaries
from 1950 to date are managed. Hundreds of hours covering dance,
theater, cinema, music, graphics, literature, photography,
architecture, sculpture, painting; ethnic arts and popular culture
such as cartooning, radio and cooking. Servicing BBC, PBS, CBS, etc.
and independent filmmakers worldwide.

Cunningham [Merce] Dance Foundation, Inc.
463 West Street
New York, NY 10014
Phone: (212) 255-3130
http://www.merce.org/

DK (Dorling Kindersley) Multimedia
Phone: (800) 225-3362
Fax: (800) 634-7568
http://www.dkonline.com/dkcom/

DSR, Inc.
9111 Guilford Rd.
Columbia, MD 21046
Phone: (301) 490-3500
Fax: (301) 490-4146
d...@us.net
http://www.catalog.com/dsr/film.htm
Notes: African social message films & videos

Dance Film Associates
31 W. 21st St. NW, 3rd floor
New York, NY 10010
Phone: (212) 727-0764
http://virtualscape.com/dance_films/
Notes: A non-profit, tax-exempt, membership organization, acts as an
information clearinghouse and meeting ground for the user, producer,
and distributor of dance films and videos

Dance Horizons Video
Affiliate: Princeton Book Co. Publishers
12 West Delaware Ave.
Pennington, NJ 08534
Phone: (800) 220-7149
Fax: (609) 737-1869
p...@dancehorizons.com
http://www.dancehorizons.com/

Davenport Films
11324 Pearlstone Ln.
Delaplane, VA 22025
Phone: (703) 592-3701
Fax: (703) 592-3717
davf...@aol.com bee...@oz.net
http://www.oz.net/~davfilms/index.html
Notes: Folklore (including From the Brothers Grimm); American folk
culture; documentaries.

Davidson Films, Inc.
668 Marsh St.
San Luis Obispo, CA 93401
Phone: (805) 594-0422
d...@davidsonfilms.com
http://www.davidsonfilms.com/
Notes: Since 1955 producing quality videos for colleges, school
districts and eductors concerned with Human Development, Cognitive
Psychology, Teacher Training and Rhetoric.

DeBeck Educational Productions
3873 Airport Way, Box 9754
Bellingham, WA 98227-9754
Phone: (604) 739-7696

Deep Dish TV
339 Lafayette St.
New York, NY 10012
Phone: 212-473-8933
Fax: 212-420-8223
deep...@weber.ucsd.edu

Descriptive Video Service
Affiliate: WGBH Educational Foundation, Boston
125 Western Ave.
Boston, MA 02134
Phone: (617) 492-2777 ext. 3490
d...@wgbh.org
http://www.wgbh.org/wgbh/access/dvs/

Direct Cinema Ltd.
PO Box 10003
Santa Monica, CA 90410
Phone: (800) 525-0000, (310) 636-8200
Fax: (310) 396-3233
dclv...@aol.com
http://directcinemalimited.com

Discovery Channel
Aka: Discovery Channel Catalog
Two Explore Lane, P.O. Box 788
Florence, KY 41022-0788
Phone: (800) 889-9950
Fax: (606) 342-0633
email ordering: catalog_i...@discovery.com
http://shopping.discovery.com/redirect.html
Notes: Online ordering:
http://catalog.discovery.com/order/orderform.html

Disney Educational Productions
4350 Equity
Columbus, OH 43228
Phone: (800) 621-2131
Fax: (614) 771-7362

Documentary Educational Resources (DER)
101 Morse Street
Watertown, MA 02172
Phone: 800-569-6621, 617-926-0491
Fax: 617-926-9519
doc...@der.org
http://www.der.org
Notes: Producer and distributor of films and videos in broadly
defined areas of anthropology/ethnography, sociology and
documentary, with an in depth archive which includes the series on:
the !Kung San (Bushmen), the Yanomamo Indians, the Alaskan and
Netsilik Eskimo (Arctic). Other titles focus on life, culture,
politics, health, trance & healing, religion, police, gender/women's
studies, arts & crafts, music & dance from every continent including
Africa, Asia, Europe and Eastern Europe, North & South America, the
Caribbean, Melanesia, Indonesia and Papua New Guinea. Producers may
inquire regarding licensing of footage.

Downtown Community TV Center
87 Lafayette Street
New York, NY 10013
Phone: 212-966-4510
Fax: 212-219-0248
http://www.dctvny.org/
Notes: Community access production facilities and distribution;
activist slant on social and urban issues; international politics

Drift Distribution
611 Broadway, Suite 742
New York, NY 10012
Phone: (212) 254-4118
Fax: (212) 254-3154
dirf...@aol.com
Notes: avant garde and experimental film and video; performance
works; video art

ESPN, Inc.
ESPN Plaza
Bristol, CT 06010
Phone: (203) 585-2000
Fax: (212) 949-0142

Educational Development Center, Inc.
55 Chapel St.
Newton, MA 02458-1060
Phone: (617) 969-7100
http://www.edc.org
Notes: Feynman Lectures and other educational titles

Educational Media Company (EdMediaCo.)
Affiliate: KidsVids Katalogue
P.O. Box 91504
Georgetown, ON Canada, L7G 5M9
Phone: (800) 565-8437
Fax: (905) 873-7009
ser...@ed-u-media.com
http://www.ed-u-media.com/
Notes: History, Geography and Travel; Children's Videos; Movies;
Parenting and Childcare; Documentary; Hobbies and Crafts; Special
Interest; Sports, Health and Fitness; Science and Nature; Family and
Social Issues; Business and Computer Studies; Literature, Drama, and
The Arts.

Educational Video Center
55 E. 25th St., Suite 407
New York, NY 10010
Phone: (212) 725-3534
Fax: (212) 725-6501

Educational Video Group (EVG)
291 Southwind Way
Greenwood, IN 46142
Phone: (317) 888-6581
Fax: (317) 888-5857
E...@Iquest.net
http://www.evgonline.com
Notes: Great Speeches

Educational Video Network (EVN)
1401 19th St.
Huntsville, Texas 77340
Phone: (800) 762-0060
Fax: (409) 294-0233
e...@edvidnet.com
http://www.edvidnet.com/

Electronic Arts Intermix
535 West 22nd St., 5th floor
New York, NY 10011
Phone: (212) 337-0680
Fax: (212) 337-0679
in...@eai.org
http://www.eai.org
Notes: Avant garde and experimental film and video; performance
works; video art

Encyclopaedia Britannica Educational Corp.
310 S. Michigan Ave.
Chicago, IL 60604-9839
Phone: (312) 347-7900, (800) 554-9862
Fax: (312) 347-7966
http://www.ebec.eb.com/ebechp.htm

EnviroVideo
Phone: (800) ECO-TV46
envir...@earthlink.net
http://www.ecomall.com/class/envido.htm
Notes: Informative, hard-hitting, quality video programs about vital
environmental and social justice issues

Environmental Media Corporation
PO Box 99
Beaufort, SC 29901-0099
Phone: (800) ENV-EDUC
http://www.envmedia.com

Ergo Media, Inc.
668 American Legion Drive, P.O. Box 2037
Teaneck, New Jersey 07666-1437
Phone: (800) 695-ERGO (3746)
Fax: (201) 692-0663
http://www.jewishvideo.com
Notes: Judaism and Jewish culture; Jewish Diaspora; Israel

Essential Media Counterculture Catalog
POB 661245
Los Angeles, CA 90066
Phone: (310) 574-1554 voice
Fax: (310) 574-3060
http://www.essentialmedia.com
Notes: Guide to the best of alternative culture in print, sound and
video

Facets Multimedia, Inc.
1517 W. Fullerton Avenue
Chicago, IL. 60614
Phone: (800) 331-6197, (773) 281-9075
Fax: (773) 929-5437
sa...@facets.org
http://www.facets.org

Family Experiences Productions, Inc. (FEPI)
401 West 15th St. - Suite 680
Austin, TX 78701
Phone: (512) 494-0338
Fax: (512) 494-0340
FEP...@aol.com
Notes: Producer of award-winning consumer health and patient
educational videos. Alt. address: PO Box 5879, Austin, TX 78763-5879

Fanlight Productions
P.O. Box 1084
Harriman, NY 10926
Phone: 800-937-4113
Fax: 201-652-1973
in...@fanlight.com
http://www.fanlight.com
Notes: Film and video works on the social issues of our time, with a
special focus on healthcare, mental health, professional ethics,
aging and gerontology, disabilities, the workplace, and gender and
family issues.

Festival Films
6115 Chestnut Terrace
Shorewood, MN 55331
Phone: 612-470-2172
Fax: 612-470-2172
FesF...@aol.com
http://hometown.aol.com/fesfilms/index.html

Film Ideas
3710 Commercial Ave.
Northbrook, IL 60062
Phone: (800) 475-3456, (847) 480-5760
Fax: (847) 480-7496
fil...@ais.net
http://www.filmideas.com

Filmakers Library, Inc.
124 East 40th Street
New York, NY 10016
Phone: (212) 808-4980
Fax: (212) 808-4983
in...@filmakers.com
http://www.filmakers.com/index.html
Notes: A collection of award-winning documentary films and videos
primarily for educational use. Psychology, sociology, anthropology,
women's studies and multicultural issues. Titles are available for
rental or sale to universities, schools, museums, businesses and
community groups.

Filmmakers Collaborative
99 Moody Street
Waltham MA 02154
Phone: (781) 647-1102
Fax: (781) 647-1140

Films Inc.
See: Public Media Inc.
http://pmi.itonline.com

Films for the Humanities & Sciences
PO Box 2053
Princeton, NJ 08543-2053
Phone: (800) 257-5126, (609) 275-1400
Fax: (609) 275-3767
http://www.films.com

Filmwest, Canada
2399 Hayman Road
Kelowna, B.C., Canada V1Z 1Z8
Phone: 250-769-3399
Fax: 800-570-5505
in...@filmwest.com

Filmwest, USA
300 West Second St.
Carson City, NV 89703
Phone: 702-883-8090
Fax: 800-570-5505
in...@filmwest.com

First Light Video Publishing
2321 Abbot Kinney Blvd
Venice, CA 90291
Phone: 310-577-8581
Fax: 310-574-0886
in...@firstlightvideo.com
http://www.firstlightvideo.com

First Run Features/Icarus Films
32 Court Street, 21st Floor
Brooklyn, NY 11201
Phone: 800 876-1710, 718-488-8900
Fax: 718-488-8642
in...@frif.com
http://www.frif.com/

Flower Films (Les Blank)
10341 San Pablo Ave.
El Cerrito, CA 94530
Phone: (800) 572-7618, (510) 525-0942
Fax: (510) 525-1204
blan...@aol.com
http://www.lesblank.com

Forest Technologies
765 Industrial Dr.
Cary, IL 60013
Phone: (800) 544-3356, (847) 516-8280
Fax: (847) 516-8210
Notes: Educational multimedia

Frameline
145 Ninth St., Ste. 300
San Francisco, Ca 94103
Phone: (415) 703-8650
Fax: (415) 861-1404
distri...@frameline.org
http://www.frameline.org/distribution/
Notes: Frameline is the nation's only comprehensive non-profit
organization dedicated to the exhibition, distribution, promotion
and funding of lesbian and gay film and video. Through a variety of
programs and activities, Frameline provides access to films and
videos dealing with a wide variety of issues related to sexuality
and gender.

Full Circle Communications
1131 S. College Ave.
Tulsa, OK 74104-4120
Phone: (918) 585-8849
Fax: (918) 585-3911
ful...@aol.com

Galan Incorporated Television and Film
5524 Bee Caves Road, Suite B-5
Austin, TX 78746
Phone: 512-327-1333
Fax: 512-327-1547
hec...@galaninc.com
http://www.galaninc.com

German Language Video Center
7625 Pendleton Pike
Indianapolis, IN 46226-5298
Phone: (317) 547-1257
Fax: (317) 547-1263

Giorno Poetry Systems
222 Bowery
New York, NY 10012
Phone: (212) 925-6372

Global Video Network
http://www.totalmarketing.com/
Notes: Educational, instructional and special interest videos &
CD-ROMs. Over 7000 products: Business, Computer, Sports, Academic
Studies, Music, Health, Documentary, Biography, Fitness, Self
Improvement, Relationships, Nature, Boating, Crafts, Art, Parenting

Globalvision
1600 Broadway, Suite 700
New York, NY 10019
Phone: (212) 246-0202
Fax: (212) 246-2677
r...@igc.org
http://www.igc.org/globalvision/
Notes: An independent film and television production company
specializing in information, entertainment and educational
programming for both domestic and international markets.
Award-wimming producers of videos on international politics and
human rights, a number of which have been aired on PBS Frontline.

Goldhil Video
137 East Thousand Oaks Bl.
Thousand Oaks, CA 91360
Phone: (800) 250-8760
Fax: (800) 321-4420

Great Performance, Inc.
14964 NW Greenbriar Pkwy.
Beaverton, OR 97006
Phone: (503) 690-9181, (800) 433-3803

GyDigital Corp.
P.O. Box 575
Roseland, NJ 07068
in...@gydigital.com
http://www.gydigital.com
Notes: Computer training videos and cd-roms

HBO Video, Inc.
1100 Ave. of the Americas
New York, New York 10036
Phone: (212) 512-7400, (800) 648-7650
Fax: (212) 512-7458
http://hbohomevideo.com

Hallmark Home Entertainment
6100 Wilshire Blvd., Suite 1400
Los Angeles, CA 90048
Phone: (213) 634-3000
Fax: (213) 549-3760

Heebie Jeebie Music
1608 Julia St.
Berkeley, CA 94703-3450
Phone: (212) 512-7400, (510) 548-3450
Fax: (510) 548-4613
cr...@heebiejeebiemusic.com
http://www.heebiejeebiemusic.com/
Notes: Selection of videos focusing on African American arts and
culture

History Channel
Affiliate: A&E (Arts and Entertainment)
Phone: (800) 423-1212, Orders: (800) 408-4842
home...@aetv.com
http://www.historychannel.com/

History on Video
400 Markham Street SW Suite H-15
Atlanta, GA 30313
Phone: 404-524-7709
rex...@bellsouth.net
http://personal.bellsouth.net/atl/r/e/rexbarn/history.htm
Notes: Black history videos

Human Relations Media
175 Tompkins Ave.
Pleasantville, NY 10570
Phone: (800) 431-2050

IVN Communications, Inc. (International Video Network)
2246 Camino Ramon
San Ramon, CA 94583
Phone: (510) 866-1121
Fax: (510) 866-9262
http://www.ivn.com/

Idea Bank
1139 Alameda Padre Serra
Santa Barbara, CA 93103
Phone: (800) 621-1136
http://www.theideabank.com
Notes: Produces and distributes award-winning videos for classroom
instruction as well as employee training, since 1984. Titles range
from Fire Safety and Dis)A(bility Awareness to Living in Russia
Today.

Independent Television Service (ITVS)
51 Federal St., Suite 401
San Francisco, CA 94107
Phone: (415) 356-8383
Fax: (415) 356-8391
http://www.itvs.org/

Informed Democracy
P.O. Box 67
Santa Cruz, CA 95063
Phone: (408) 426-3921, (800) 827-0949
Fax: (408) 426-2312

Ingram Entertainment
Corporate: 2 Ingram Blvd.
La Vergne, TN 37086-7006
Phone: (800) 621-1333, (615) 287-4000
Fax: (615) 287-4992
http://www.ingramentertainment.com/
Notes: Orders: 1136 heilQuaker Blvd., P.O. 3006, LaVergne, TN
37086-1986, Tel: (800) 937-5300

Inner-Tube Video
138 Prince Street
New York, NY 10012
Phone: 212-966-7446 or 914-265-4302
ar...@bestweb.net

Insight Media
2162 Broadway
New York, NY 10024
Phone: (800) 233-9910, (212) 721-6316
Fax: (212) 799-5309
c...@insight-media.com
http://insight-media.com/IMHome.htm

Instructional Video
25958 Genesee Trail Rd., Unit K-332
Golden, CO 80401-5742
Phone: (303) 526-4240
Fax: (303) 526-1047
http://www.instructionalv.com

Instructional Video
727 'O' Street
Lincoln, NE 68508
Phone: (800) 228.0164, (402) 475.6570
Fax: (402) 475.6500
http://www.insvideo.com/
Notes: Retailer of videos to public libraries, schools, military
bases, and other government agencies. Represents thousands of
special interest, "how-to" and children's videos, since 1984.

Inter Nationes
Division Educational Media and Film / B12
Kennedyallee 91 - 103; D-53175 Bonn, Germany
fi...@inter-nationes.de
http://www2.inter-nationes.de/d/film-e.html
Notes: Inter Nationes offers a wide range of 16mm films and videos:
feature films from 100 years of German film history, to current
titles and documentary films reporting on cultural life in the
Federal Republic of Germany.

Inter-Image Video
PO Box 47501
Los Angeles, CA 90047-0501
Phone: (800) 843-9448

Intermedia, Inc.
1300 Dexter N.
Seattle, WA 98109
Phone: (206) 284-2995, (800) 553-8336
Fax: (206) 283-0778
http://intermedia-inc.com and http://maxmoneyadventure.com

International Film Circuit
WinStar Communications/Fox Lorber
419 Park Ave. South, 20th Floor
New York, NY 10016
Phone: (212) 686-6777
Fax: (212) 545-9931
wli...@winstar.com
http://www.filmcircuit.com

International Film Circuit, Inc.
54 W 21st St. - Suite 903
New York, NY 10010
Phone: (212)691-0770
Fax: (212)691-6812
Ifcp...@aol.com
http://www.indifilmweb.com/ifcplanet

International Historic Films
3533 South Archer
Chicago, IL 60609
Phone: 773-927-9091
Fax: 773 927-9211
in...@ihffilm.com
http://www.historicvideo.com/

International Media Resource Exchange (IMRE)
(Latin American Video Archive (LAVA))
125 Washington Place
New York, NY 10014
Phone: (212) 463-0108
Fax: (212) 243-2007
im...@igc.apc.org
http://www.lavavideo.org/lava/

International Video Network
2242 Camino Ramon
San Ramon, CA 94583
Phone: (800) 767-4486
Fax: (510) 866-9262

Ironwood Video
P.O. Box 2195
Asheville, NC 28802
Phone: (800) 383-6238

James Agee Film Project
909 West Main St. 2B
Charlottesville, VA 22903
Phone: 800-971-2921

Janson Associates, Inc.
88 Semmens Road
Harrington Park, NJ 07640
Phone: (201)784-8488
Fax: (201) 784-3993
e-mail: st...@janson.com
http://www.janson.com
Notes: Family and children's films and special interest
documentaries: Children's Programs; Special Interest: Hollywood &
Cinema; Special Interest: Ireland; Special Interest: History; The
Spiritual Life; Contemporary Issues.

Japan Society, Inc.
333 E. 47th Street
New York, NY 10017
Phone: (212) 752-0824

Jazz West
P.O. Box 3515
Ashland, OR 97520
Phone: (541) 482-5529
Notes: current and historical jazz performance videos

KCET-TV
4401 Sunset Blvd.
Los Angeles, CA 90027
Phone: (213) 666-6500, (800) 765-7890
Fax: (213) 665-6067

KET, The Kentucky Network Enterprise Division
560 Cooper Dr.
Lexington, KY 40502-2279
Phone: (606) 258-7205, (800) 354-9067
Fax: (606) 258-7396

Ken Crane's DVDs/Laserdiscs
DVDPlanet
15251 Beach Blvd.
Westminster, CA 92683
Phone: (800) 624-3078, California (800) 626-1768; (714) 892-2283
Fax: (714) 892-8369
di...@kencranes.com
http://www.kencranes.com/

Kids Core Television Productions
P.O. Box 732
Hood River, OR 97031
Phone: (509) 493-8399
sa...@kidscore.com
http://www.kidscore.com

Kifaru Productions
23852 Pacific Coast Highway # 766
Malibu, CA 90265
Phone: (800) 400-8433
kif...@aol.com
http://www.kifaru.com
Notes: Videos on Native American history, culture, and social issues

KingWorld Direct
12400 Wilshire Boulevard, Suite 800
Los Angeles, CA 90025
feed...@kingworlddirect.com
http://www.kingworlddirect.com/
Notes: A wholly owned subsidiary of KingWorld, worldwide distributor
of first-run programming, including Wheel of Fortune, Jeopardy and
The Oprah Winfrey Show, Inside Edition and American Journal. Handles
long and short-form commercial campaigns and back-end marketing
opportunities for its partners, including Sears, Discovery
Communications, Wild America and The Learning Channel.

Kit Parker Films
PO Box 16022
Monterey, CA 93942-6022
Phone: 800-538-5838, 408-393-0303
Fax: 408-393-0304
in...@kitparker.com
http://kitparker.com/
Notes: Rentals of classic international cinema on 16mm film.

Kultur Video
White Star Video
195 Highway 36
West Long Beach, NJ 07764
Phone: (800) 458-5887
Fax: (732) 229-2343
or...@kulturvideo.com
http://www.kulturvideo.com
Notes: Performing arts programs, with emphasis on music, dance, art,
ballet and opera. Over 400 titles showcasing great artists in some
of their best performances. The White Star line includes programs on
comedy, nostalgia, rock and roll, country music, documentaries and
foreign films.

L & S Video, Inc.
45 Stornowaye
Chappaqua, NY
Phone: (914) 238-9366
Fax: (914) 238-6324

LCA (c/o New World Video)
1440 S. Sepulveda Blvd.
Los Angeles, CA 90025
Phone: (310) 444-8100
Fax: (310) 444-8101

Labor Video Project
P.O. Box 425584
San Francisco, CA 94142
Phone: (415) 282-1908
Fax: (415) 641-4440
lv...@labornet.org
http://www.emf.net/~cheetham/glaect-1.html

Landmark Media
3450 Slade Run Dr.
Falls Church, VA 22042
Phone: (703) 241-2030, 800-342-4336
Fax: (703) 536-9540

Learntech Interactive
Phone: (888) 292-5584
Fax: (802) 864-9846
in...@learntech.com
http://voyager.learntech.com/cdrom/
Notes: handles Voyager CD-ROMs and other interactive multimedia

Library Video Company
P.O. Box 580
Wynnewood, PA 19096
Phone: (610) 645-4000, (800) 843-3620
Fax: (610) 645-4040
ly...@libraryvideo.com
http://www.libraryvideo.com

Light Cone Video
14 passage de l'industrie
75010 Paris France
Phone: 33-1-40226082
Fax: 33-1-40226083
Pi...@aol.com
Notes: Films by historically-important international experimental
and avant garde film makers, including Hans Richter, Maya Deren,
Maurice Lemaitre, Jonas Mekas, Patrick Bokanowski, Stan Brakhage,
Jurgen Reble, Matthias Muller

Long Bow Group, Inc.
55 Newton St.
Brookline, MA 02445
Phone: 617-277-6400
Fax: 617-277-6843
lbo...@aol.com
http://www.nmis.org/gate/longbow.html

Lucerne Media
(Affiliated with: Native American Public Broadcasting Consortium)
37 Ground Pine Rd.
Morris Plains, NJ 07950
Phone: 201-538-1401, 800-341-2293
Fax: 201-538-0855
http://www.lucernemedia.com/

Luso Brazilian Books
Box 170286
Brooklyn, NY 11217
Phone: (718) 624-4000
Fax: (718) 858-0690
luso...@tiac.net

Lyric Distribution, Inc.
Phone: (800) 32-LYRIC
Fax: (516) 484-6561
lyr...@ix.netcom.com
http://www.lyricdist.com/
Notes: Distributors of opera and classical music CDs and video tapes

MPI Media Group
16101 South 108th Ave.
Orland Park, IL 60462
Phone: (800) 777-2223, (708) 460-0555
Fax: (708) 460-0175
http://www.mpimedia.com

Madera Cinevideo
311 South Pine, Suite 102
Madera, CA 93638
Phone: 800-624-2204, 800-828-8118 (California only), 209-661-60001
vi...@maderavideo.com
Notes: Videos pertaining to Latino life, history, and culture.

MasterVision
969 Park Ave.
New York, NY 10028
Phone: (212) 879-0448

Media Basics
Lighthouse Square, Box 449
Guilford, CT 06437
Phone: (203) 458-2505
Fax: (203) 458-9816
help...@mediabasicsvideo.com
http://www.mediabasicsvideo.com/
Notes: Comprehensive source for educational video programming. All
curriculum subjects. All grade levels - from pre-school to college

Media Education Foundation
60 Masonic St.
Northampton, MA 01060
Phone: 800-897-0089 or 413-584-8500
Fax: 800-659-6882 or 413-586-8398
in...@mediaed.org
http://www.mediaed.org/

Media for the Arts
360 Thames St.
Newport, RI 02840
Phone: (800) 554-6008
Fax: (401) 846-6580
artmfa/@art-history.com
http://www.art-history.com

MediaMart
155A Moffett Park Dr. #103
Sunnyvale, CA 94089
Phone: (408) 744-9990
Fax: (408) 744-9991
http://www.mediamart.com
Notes: An online business that specializes in offering educational,
health and life benefit videotapes and CD-ROMS via the Internet. For
libraries, educators, and businesses.

Michael Blackwood Productions, Inc.
6 West 18th Street, Suite 2B
New York, NY 10011
Phone: 212 242-1805
Fax: 212 242-1671
blackw...@aol.com
http://www.michaelblackwoodproductions.com
Notes: Michael Blackwood Productions, Inc. is an independent film
company producing documentaries on art, architecture, music, dance,
since 1966.

Midnight Ramble Video
PO Box 11522
Portland, OR 97211
Phone: 503-287-0318
Midni...@aul.com
http://midnightramble.com
Notes: Specializing in all-black cast and race films.

Mongrel Media
P.O. Box 68547, 360-A Bloor St. W.
Toronto, Ontario M5S 3J2, Canada
Phone: 800-607-FILM, 416-516-9775
Fax: 416-516-0651
Mongre...@compuserve.com

Moriah Films (Simon Wiesenthal Center)
9760 West Pico Boulevard
Los Angeles, California 90035
mor...@wiesenthal.com
http://www.wiesenthal.com/moriah/
Notes: Orders online: http://www.wiesenthal.com/bstore/catalog.html

Moving Images Distribution
402 West Pender Street, Suite 606
Vancouver, B.C., V6B 1T6 Canada
mai...@movingimages.bc.ca
http://www.movingimages.bc.ca

Multicultural Media
56 Brownsmill Road, R.D. 2, Box 5550
Berlin, VT 05602
Phone: (802) 223-1294
Fax: (802) 229-1834
m...@multiculturalmedia.com
http://www.worldmusicstore.com

Mypheduh Film, Inc.
PO Box 10035
Washington, DC 20018-0035
Phone: (800) 524-3895, (202) 234-4755
Fax: 202-234-5735
San...@cais.com
http://www.melanet.com/Sankofa/
Notes: Distributors of African American cinema and documentary films

Mystic Fire Video
P.O. Box 422
New York, NY 10012-0008
Phone: (800) 292-9001
Fax: (212) 941-1443
mysti...@echonyc.com
http://www.mysticfire.com/

NOVA (WGBH)
WGBH Boston Video
PO Box 2284
South Burlington, VT 05407-2284
Phone: (800) 255-9424
Fax: (802) 864-9846
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/

National Asian American Telecommunications Association (NAATA)
Formerly: CrossCurrent Media
145 Ninth St., Suite 350
San Francisco, CA 94103
Phone: (415) 863-0814
Fax: (415) 863-7428
distri...@naatanet.org
http://www.naatanet.org/distrib/index.html
Notes: This educational distribution service was launched in 1986 to
broaden distribution opportunities for independent Asian American
producers, and to provide teachers, librarians and community groups
access to a growing number of quality Asian American media
productions. Since then, it has grown to be the largest provider of
Asian American audio/visual materials in the world. With over 70
film, video and audio cassette titles, NAATA now serves schools,
libraries, universities, museums public television stations,
government agencies community groups and corporations throughout the
U.S. and a growing clientele of educational institutions, cable
networks and televisions stations around the world.

National Audiovisual (AV) Center
National Technical Information Service
Technology Administration, U.S. Dept. of Commerce
Springfield, VA 22161
Phone: 800-553-6847, 703-605-6000
Fax: 703-605-6900
http://www.ntis.gov/nac/index.html

National Black Programming Consortium, Inc.
c/o WQED - Pittsburgh
4802 Fifth Ave.
Pittsburgh, PA 15213
Phone: 412-622-6443
Fax: 412-622-1331
http://www.blackstarcom.org

National Film Board of Canada
22-D Hollywood Ave.
Hohokus, NJ 07423
Phone: (800) 542-2164, (212) 629-8890
Fax: (201) 652-1973
Notes: For general information, inquire at: 350 5th Ave., Suite
4820, New York, NY 10118

National Geographic
http://www.shop.nationalgeographic.com

National Latino Communications Center (NLCC)
3171 Los Feliz Blvd., Suite
Los Angeles, CA 90039-1527
Phone: 800-722-9982, 323-663-8294
Fax: 323-663-5606
http://www.nlcc.com

National Women's History Project
7738 Bell Road
Windsor, CA 95492-8518
Phone: (707) 838-6000
Fax: (707) 838-0478

New Day Films
22-D Hollywood Ave.
Hohokus, NJ 07423
Phone: 888-367-9154, 201-652-6590
Fax: 201-652-1973
ord...@newday.com
http://www.newday.com

New Dimension Media
611 E. State Street
Jacksonville, IL 62650
Phone: (800) 288-4456
Fax: (800) 242-2288
www.btsbbooks.com

On Deck Home Entertainment
14546 Hesby St.
Sherman Oaks, CA 91403
Phone: (818) 906-3306
Fax: (818) 906-7806
ondeck123.aol.com
Notes: Specializing in military hitsory, american history and black
history documentaries

Optical Data Corporation
30 Technology Dr.
Warren, NJ 07059
Phone: (908) 668-0022, (800) 524-2481
Fax: (908) 755-0577
jcas...@octoberfilms.com

P.O.V. (Point of View)
(PBS Video)
http://www0.pbs.org/pov/

PBS Video
1320 Braddock Place
Alexandria, VA 22314-1698
Phone: 800-344-3337
Fax: 800-424-7963
w...@pbs.org
http://www.pbs.org

PBS Video Finders
Aka: PBS Videofinders
Phone: (800) 343-4727
Fax: (800) 328-7271

Pacific Islanders in Communications
1221 Kapiolani Blvd. #6A-4
Honolulu, Hawaii, 96814
Phone: (808) 591-0059
Fax: (808) 591-1114
pic...@aloha.net
http://planet-hawaii.com/~pacislanders

Paper Tiger TV
339 Lafayette St.
New York, NY 10012
Phone: (314) 569-0211
Fax: (212) 420-9045
http://www.papertiger.org/

Perspectives: Architecture/Design Videos
P.O. Box 565
Wilmette, IL 60091
Phone: (800) 821.2164
in...@archfilms.com
http://archfilms.com/index.html

Phoenix / BFA Films & Video
Affiliate: Coronet / MTI Film & Video
2349 Chaffee Dr.
St. Louis, MO 63146
Phone: (314) 569-0211, (800) 221-1274
Fax: (314) 569-2834

Political Commercial Archive
Dept. of Communication, University of Oklahoma, 610 Elm Ave.
Norman, OK 73019-0335
Phone: (405) 325-3114
Fax: (405) 325-1566
lk...@ou.edu
http://www.ou.edu/pcarchiv

Professional Media Service Corp.
1160 Trademark Drive, Suite 109
Reno, NV 89511
Phone: 800-223-7672
Fax: 800-253-8853
cust...@promedia.com
http://www.promedia.com

Program Development Associates
5620 Business Ave., Suite B
Cicero, NY 13039
Phone: (315) 452-0643
Fax: (315) 452-0710
dst...@servtech.com or pda...@servtech.com
http://www.pdassoc.com
Notes: Providing quality resources related to disabilities for over
11 years. Distributors and producers of video tapes, computer
software, board games and curriculum, whose customers are
organizations and professionals that want information about
inclusion, disability awareness, employment, parenting, and
community living. These resources are used throughout the world to
train, and educate rehabilitation staff, students and the public
about disabilities.

Project for International Communication Studies (PICS)
The University of Iowa, 270 International Center
Iowa City, Iowa 52242-1802
Phone: (800) 373-PICS, (319) 384-3807
Fax: (319) 384-3806
pi...@uiowa.edu
Notes: The source for authentic foreign video materials since 1983

Proud To Be... A Black Video Collection
1235-E East Blvd. Suite 209
Charlotte, NC 28203
Phone: (704) 523-2227

Public Interest Video Network
642 R Street, NW
Washington, DC 20009
Phone: (202) 393-2355

Pyramid Media
(Pyramid Films)
P.O. BOX 1048
Santa Monica, CA 90406-1048
Phone: (310) 828-7577, (800) 421-2304
Fax: (310) 453-9083
in...@pyramidmedia.com
http://www.pyramidmedia.com

Quality Books, Inc.
1003 W. Pines Road
Oregon, IL 61061-9680
Phone: (800) 323-4241, (815) 732-4450
Fax: (815) 732-4499
Notes: Specialize in distributing NEW non-fiction books and videos
to libraries

Quality Video Programs
2722 Browning Drive
Lake Orion, MI 48360
Phone: (800) 578-6808, (248) 391-4228
Fax: (248) 391-3739
Notes: Staff development and educational videos

Questar Video, Inc.
P.O. BOX 11345
Chicago, IL 60611-0345
Phone: (800) 544-8422, (312) 266-9400, (800) 633-5633 (orders only)
Fax: (312) 266-9523
http://www.questar1.com/
Notes: Mailing address: 680 N. Lake Shore Dr., Suite 900, Chicago,
IL 60611

Rainbow Educational Media
4540 Preslyn Dr.
Raleigh, NC 27604-3177
Phone: 800-331-4047

Research Press
2612 N. Mattis Ave.
Champaign, IL 61821
Phone: (217) 352-3273
http://www.researchpress.com
Notes: Distributes videos on classroom management, family counseling
and parenting, special education, mental health and counseling

Rhino Home Video
10635 Santa Monica Blvd., 2nd Fl.
Los Angeles, CA 90025-4900
Phone: 310-474-4778, 800-843-3670
Fax: 310-441-6575
http://www.rhino.com

Richter Productions, Inc.
330 W. 42nd St./32
New York, NY 10036
Phone: (212) 947-1395
Fax: (212) 643-1208
http://www.RichterVideos.com

Roland Collection
22-D Hollywood Avenue
Ho-Ho-Kus, NJ 07423
Phone: (800) 597-6526, (201) 251-8200
Fax: (201) 251-8788
sa...@roland-collection.co.uk
http://www.roland-collection.com
Notes: The Collection is the work of 230 film makers from 25
different countries and consists of more than 640 films and videos
on art available worldwide for institutional and individual use

S.I. Video Direct
PO Box 968
Englewood, FL 34295
Phone: (941)473-2601
Fax: (941) 473-2701
st...@sivideo.com
http://www.sivideo.com/

Schlessinger Media
P.O. Box 580
Wynnewood, PA 19096
Phone: (800) 843-3620
Fax: (610) 645-4000
ly...@libraryvideo.com
http://www.libraryvideo.com

SelectVideo Publishing
5475 Peoria St., Suite 4C
Denver, CO 80239-2227
Phone: (800) 742-1455, (303) 371-2005
Fax: (800) 742-1456, (303) 371-1954
Order/inquiries: ord...@selectvideo.com
http://www.selectvideo.com

Shanachie Entertainment
37 E. Clinton St.
Newton, NJ 07860
Phone: 973-579-7763
Fax: 973-579-7083

Shokus Video
http://www.shokus.com/catpg1.html#TOC
Notes: TV and movie nostalgia, pop culture

Simitar Entertainment, Inc.
http://www.simitar.com/
Notes: Large on-line special-interest video/audio mall: business,
cars, fitness, hard rock, martial arts, military, pets, sports,
westerns, many more categories

Social Studies School Service
10200 Jefferson Blvd., Box 802
Culver City, CA 90232
Phone: 800-421-4246 (U.S. and Canada), 310-839-2436 (International)
acc...@socialstudies.com
http://socialstudies.com

Society for Visual Education, Inc. (SVE)
6677 N. NW Hwy.
Chicago, IL 60631
Phone: (312) 775-9550, 800-829-1900
Fax: (312) 775-5091

Something Weird Video
Dept. FUEGO, P.O. Box 33664
Seattle, WA 98133
Phone: (206) 361-3759
Fax: (206) 364-7526
somw...@ix.netcom.com
http://www.somethingweird.com/
Notes: Cult films, exploitation films, ephemera, oddities.

Stirfry Seminars / Stirfry Productions
3345 Grand Ave. Suite 3
Oakland, CA 94610
Phone: Alexis Gable: 510-419-3930, 800-370-STIR
Fax: 510-419-3934

Sunburst Communications
101 Castleton St.
Pleasantville, NY 10570
Phone: (800) 431-1934

THA Media Distributors
1200 West Pender #307
Vancouver, BC, V6E 2S9
Phone: (Canada only): (800) 661-4919; (604) 687-4215
Fax: (604) 688-8349
tha....@thamedia.com, Information: tha....@thamedia.com
http://www.thamedia.com/

Teacher's Video Company
A Division of Global Video, Inc.
P.O. Box LBM-4455
Scottsdale, AZ 85261
Phone: (800) 262-8837
Fax: (602) 860-8650
Notes: Specializing in popular and mass market video box sets from
PBS, American History Channel, and others

Terra Nova Films
9848 South Winchester Ave.
Chicago, IL 60643
Phone: 800-779-8491, 773-881-8491
Fax: 773-881-3368
t...@terranova.org
http://www.terranova.org

The Association for Information Media & Equipment (AIME)
c/o Betty Gorsegner, PO Box 9212
Green Bay, WI 54308-0212
Phone: (414) 465-8090
Fax: (414) 465-6999
ai...@gmi.net
http://www.aime.org/

The Cinema Guild
130 Madison Avenue, 2nd Floor
New York, NY 10016-7038
Phone: (800) 723-5522, (212) 685-6242
Fax: (212) 685-4717
theci...@aol.com
http://www.cinemaguild.com
Notes: Over 500 titles on: health science; social studies; world
cultures; arts and humanities; children's and young adult films;
short fiction; how-to videos

The Kitchen
512 W.19th Street
New York, NY 10011
Phone: (212) 255-5793
Fax: (212) 645-4258
kit...@pathfinder.com
http://anansi.panix.com/userdirs/kitchen/
Notes: Filmed performance works and interviews, avant garde and
experimental artists, musicians, and other performers.

The Poetry Center and American Poetry Archives
San Francisco State University, 1600 Holloway Avenue
San Francisco, CA 94132
Phone: (415)338-1056
Fax: (415)338-0966
new...@sfsu.edu
http://www.sfsu.edu./~newlit/welcome.htm

The Poor Yorick Shakespeare Catalogue
PO Box 21146
Stratford, Ontario, Canada N5A 7V4
Phone: (519) 272-1999
Fax: (519) 272-0979
yor...@bardcentral.com
http://www.bardcentral.com
Notes: Independent CD and video store specializing in Shakespeare
multimedia. Over 200 video, audio and CD-ROM titles relating to the
bard

The Video Catalog
P. O. Box 64267
St Paul MN 55164-0428
Phone: (800) 733-2232
Fax: (612) 659-4320

The Working Group (We Do the Work)
5867 Ocean View Dr., PO Box 10326
Oakland, CA 94610-0326
Phone: 510-268-9675
Fax: 510 547-8844
dist...@wmm.com
Notes: Videos focus on economic, domestic, and workplace issues from
the perspective of the American worker. Producer of the PBS series
"We Do the Work."

Theatre Arts Video Library
174 Andrew Ave.
Leucadia, CA 92024
Phone: (800) 456-8285
Fax: (760) 632-6355
tavl...@aol.com

Theatre Arts Video Library (TAVL)
17 Andrew Ave.
Leucadia, CA 92024
Phone: (800) 456-8285
Fax: (760) 632-6355
tavl...@aol.com
http://members.aol.com/tavlvideo/tavl/tavl.html
Notes: Creates and distributes unsexy, but important instructional
videos for use in theatre training programs at universities,
colleges, high schools and in theatre companies of all sizes

Thin Air Video (Contemporary Poetry Archives)
58 East 4th St. #3
New York, NY 10003
Phone: (212) 254-2803

Third World Newsreel/Camera News, Inc.
545 Eighth Avenue, 10th floor
New York, NY 10018
Phone: (212) 947-9277
Fax: (212) 594-6417
t...@twn.org
http://www.twn.org/

Time-Life Education
P.O. Box 85026
Richmond, VA 23285-5026
Phone: Customer Service: (800) 828-8575, (800) 449-2010, weekdays
8am-6pm EST
Fax: (800) 449-2011, 24 hours a day
http://www.timelifeedu.com/

Unapix Home Entertainment
2601 4th Ave., Suite 320
Seattle, WA 98121
Phone: 800-245-6472 ext. 231
Notes: Audio and Video from Miramar, Pacific Moon, Inner Dimension,
A-PIX, US News and World Report, Lifetime, Smithsonian, Discovery
and others.

University of California Extension Center for Media & Independent
Learning (CMIL)
(UC Extension Media)
2000 Center St., 4th Fl.
Berkeley, CA 94704
Phone: (510) 642-0460
Fax: (510) 643-9271
dbic...@uclink.berkeley.edu, ksp...@uclink4.berkeley.edu
http://www-cmil.unex.berkeley.edu/media/
Notes: CMIL has been the worldwide media distribution agency for the
University of California since 1916, representing independent
producers of more than 600 award-winning documentaries and
educational media titles for use in universities, schools, public
libraries, medical facilities, television, and elsewhere. Titles are
selected on the basis of educational utility, merit, and
significance.

Upstream Productions
420 1st Avenue West
Seattle, WA
Phone: (206) 281-9177
Fax: (206) 284-6963
upro...@aol.com

VW Tapes
P.O. Box 10854
Honolulu, HI 96816
Phone: (808) 739-2544, (888) VWTAPES
Fax: (213) 654-0970
in...@vwtapes.com
http://www.vwtapes.com/
Notes: Conference and seminar recordings

Vanderbilt Television News Archive
Vanderbilt University, 110 21st. Ave S., Suite 704
Nashville, Tennessee, 37203
Phone: (615) 322-2927
Fax: (615) 343-8250
tvn...@tvnews.Vanderbilt.edu
http://tvnews.vanderbilt.edu/

Vedette Visuals
4520 58th Ave.
Tacoma, WA 98466
Fax: 565-7644
Notes: Foreign video w/o subtitles

Vide-O-Go, Inc. / That's Infotainment!
PO Box 2994
Princeton, NJ 08543-2994
Phone: 899-323-8433, 609 716-1989
Fax: 609 716-1988
Vid...@aol.com
www.videogo.com

Video Arts International, Inc.
PO Box 153, Ansonia Station
New York, NY 10023
http://www.videoarts.co.uk

Video D Studios, Inc.
29 West 21st St.
New York, NY 10010-6807
Phone: (800) 54-DANCE, (212) 242-3345
Fax: (612) 659-4320

Video Data Bank (School of the Art Institute of Chicago)
112 S. Michigan Ave.
Chicago, IL 60603
Phone: (312) 345-3550
Fax: (312) 541-8073
in...@vdb.org
http://www.vdb.org

Video France
4822 St. Elmo Ave.
Bethseda, MD 20814
Phone: (301) 654-2224
Fax: (301) 229-0621
fra...@wizard.net

Video Information Source
3395 South Jones Boulevard, Ste. 212
Las Vegas, NV 89102
Phone: (800) 557-3772, (702) 655-5800
Fax: (702) 396-4032
Notes: A free single-source ordering service for institutions.
Librarians may order any combination of video, DVD, laserdisc,
CD-ROM, audio CD's and cassettes, books, A/V display and storage
solutions, and video- and audiocassette repair from various
suppliers and catalogs, then place just one custom order. Volume
discounts and recommended title lists are offered. This small,
woman-owned business was established in 1994 to help librarians
build, maintain and preserve media collections.

Video McLuhan, Inc.
73 Sighthill Ave.
Torronto M4T Canada
Fax: (416) 484-6825
mailto:in...@videomcluhan.com
http://www.videomcluhan.com/

Video Press
School of Medicine University of Maryland
School of Medicine University of Maryland, 100 North Greene Street,
Suite 300
Baltimore, MD 21201-1082
Phone: 800-328-7540, 410-706-5497
Fax: 410-706-8471
gbil...@umaryland.edu
http://www.videopress.org/
Notes: Video programs for professionals and students in the fields
of geriatric health care, pediatrics and education.

Video Project
PO Box 77188
San Francisco, CA 94107
Phone: 800-4-Planet (415-284-0600)
Fax: 415-821-7204
in...@videoproject.net
http://www.videoproject.net/ or http://www.actnowproductions.com/

Video Resources
220 W. 71st St.
New York, NY 10023
Phone: (212) 724-7055
Fax: (212) 595-0819
Notes: Classic commercials, TV nostalgia

Videoflicks
1654 Avenue Road
Toronto, Ontario, Canada, M5M 3Y1
Phone: 800-690-2879, 416-782-5084
Fax: 416-782-4430
Videoflicks.com
Notes: Large home video web site; included DVDs

View Video
34 East 23rd St.
New York, NY 10010
Phone: (212) 674-5550

Viewfinders, Inc.
(Uncommon Video)
P.O. Box 1665
Evanston IL 60204-1665
Phone: (800) 342-3342
Fax: (708) 869-1710

Villon Films
c/o Peter Davis, 77 W. 28 Avenue
Vancouver, BC V5Y 2K7, Canada
Phone: (604) 879-6042
Fax: (604) 879-6042

Vision Video
P.O. Box 540
Worcester, PA 19490
Phone: (800) 523-0226, (610) 584-3500
Fax: (610) 584-4610
visio...@aol.com
http://www.gatewayfilms.com

Voyager (Criterion)
See also: Learntech (for Voyager CD-ROMS)
Retail Operations: PO Box 2284
S. Burlington, VT 05407
Phone: (802) 864-9846, (800) 446-2001
Fax: (802) 864-9846
w...@voyagerco.com
http://www.voyagerco.com/
Notes: Multimedia CD-ROMs, Criterion laser disc collection.
Educational sales are handled through Learntech

WETA
2775 South Quincy Street
Arlington, VA 22206
Phone: (703)998-2600
Fax: (703) 998-3401
http://weta.capaccess.org/wetaweb/web_email.shtml
http://www.weta.org

WGBH (WGBH Boston Video)
Orders: WGBH Boston Video, PO Box 2284-3213
South Burlington, VT 05407-2284
Phone: (800) 255-9424
Fax: (802) 864-9846
sarah_...@wgbh.org
http://www.wgbh.org
Notes: Mailing address: 125 Western Avenue, Boston, MA 02134, Tel:
(617) 492-2777

WNET-TV (New York)
Phone: (800) 336-1917, (212) 560-2000
http://www.wnet.org/index.html

WQED-TV /QED Enterprises
4802 Fifth Ave.
Pittsburgh PA 15213
Phone: (412) 622-1300
http://WQED.org/

Wehman Video
2366 Eastlake Ave. E., Ste. 312
Seattle, WA 98102
Phone: (800) 717-1158

Wehman Video
2366 Eastlake Ave., Suite 312
Seattle, WA 98102
Phone: (800) 717-1158
wehm...@aol.com
Notes: Original, award winning programs from over 85 independent
producers across the United States

West Glen Communications, Inc.
1430 Broadway - Ninth Floor
New York, NY 10018
Phone: (800) 325-8677, (212) 921-2800
http://www.westglen.com/
Notes: Distributer and producer of sponsored video and multimedia
programming for both mass media as well as targeted media
distribution. Services include the production and distribution of
Video News Releases (VNR), B-Roll packages, Audio News Releases
(ANR), Public Service Announcements(PSA), Satellite Media Tours
(SMT), Radio Media Tours (RMT), corporate videos and other
customized programs.

Weston Woods Studios, Inc.
PO Box 2193
Norwalk, CT 06852-2193
Phone: (800) 243-5020
Fax: (203) 845-0498

William Greaves Productions Inc.
230 W. 55th St.
New York, NY 10019
Phone: (212) 265-6150, (800) 874-8314
Fax: (212) 315-0027

Wombat Film and Video
1560 Sherman Ave., Ste. 100
Evanston, IL 60201
Phone: (708) 328-6700, (800) 323-9084
Fax: (708) 328-6706

Wombat Film and Video
250 West 57th St., Suite 916
New York, NY 10019
Phone: 800-542-5554

Women Make Movies
462 Broadway
New York, NY 10013
Phone: (212) 925-0606
Fax: (212) 925-2052
dist...@wmm.com
http://www.wmm.com/

Zeitgeist Films
247 Centre St., 2nd Fl.
New York, NY 10013
Phone: (212) 274-1989
Fax: (212) 274-1644
ma...@zeitgeistfilm.com
http://www.zeitgeistfilm.com

Zenger Media
10200 Jefferson Blvd., Room 94; P.O. Box 802
Culver City, CA 90232-0802
Phone: (800) 421-4246 (U.S. and Canada), (310) 839-2436
(International)
http://socialstudies.com/Zenger/
Notes: A division of Social Studies School Service dedicated to
searching out the highest quality videos, laserdiscs, CD-ROMs,
software, and materials that center around the broad subject of
technology in the classroom (including a wealth of items on using
the Internet). Experienced editorial staff and teacher consultants
carefully evaluate titles from dozens of publishers, searching for
items that are effective, balanced, easy to use, up-to-date, and
reasonably priced. Catalogs focus on different subject areas and
grade levels, and list the best materials using short, informative,
and objective descriptions.

Zipporah Films (Frederick Wiseman)
One Richdale Ave., Unit #4
Cambridge, MA 02140
Phone: (617) 576-3603
Fax: (617) 864-8006
zfi...@world.std.com
http://www.zipporah.com

Ztek Co. Educational Multimedia
P.O. Box 11768
Lexington, KY 40577-1768
Phone: (800)247-1603, (606)281-1611
Fax: (606)281-1521
in...@ztek.com
http://www.ztek.com/

R

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In article <fa9j905f0a0fn00r5...@4ax.com>, mso...@newsguy.com
says...

>There are all sorts of money-making ventures in which Disney chooses
>not to invest. They choose not to invest in the distribution of
>Moore's propaganda. That's their business.

But they did invest! Moore is on thier books and the film was made.


>Nobody is censoring Moore.

They are refusing to screen the film?


>Only an ignorant commie suck ass could claim that Disney is
>"censoring" Moore by refusing to allow their assets and good name to
>be used in the effort of promoting his crap.

First point is that I'm far more right wing than you could ever imagine.
I have no opinion about the Moore film until I see it. That is the whole
point of free speech. Exactly which of us is ignorant if 'you'
label something as propaganda before even seeing it.


Roger

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May 6, 2004, 12:26:37 AM5/6/04
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"Milt" <miltrem...@usa.com> wrote in message
news:qbadnXGWZ8O...@comcast.com...
> Jeffrey Scott Linder wrote:
>
> > Mitchell Holman <ta2eene...@comcast.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >>"BÎllary" <F. Libe...@vastrightwingconspiracy.gov> wrote in
> >>news:aC5mc.31870$sK3....@nwrddc03.gnilink.net:

> >>
> >>
> >>>I'm hoping that we can outlaw "Gay Day" at the theme park next. Kids
> >>>don't need to be exposed to that kind of adult behavior. I'm not
> >>>condemning gays, just the behavior in front of the young kids. It's
not
> >>>right, and mainstream America agrees with ME!!!
> >>
> >>
> >> Using government to tell theme parks what patrons
> >>they will be allowed to admit.
> >>
> >> Another first from the "fewer regulations" plank
> >>of the GOP..........
> >
> >
> > Yet I suspect you have no problem with the government telling a
> > business whom they should or should not hire...
> >
> > a restaraunt determining whom they will or will not serve...
> >
> > a bar determining whether or not its patrons are permitted to
> > smoke....
> >
>
> No, fuckwit.
>
> A business open to the public should not be allowed to discriminate.
>
> Disney is, of course, allowed to not distribute Moore's movie. And we're
> allowed to point out what a bunch of spineless pathetic fucks they are
> for doing so...

Hopefully their contract with Moore provides large payments of cash to Moore
if they don't distribute his film, and that he can take it elsewhere and
make a more enlightened company buckets on the controversy of their
short-term minded competitor.


Gary DeWaay

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May 6, 2004, 12:32:09 AM5/6/04
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MikeSoja's wisdom...


Switch to decaf.

Gary

james

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May 6, 2004, 1:03:51 AM5/6/04
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In article <z_imc.1003$XI4....@news.xtra.co.nz>,
R <r0071230...@yahoo.co.nz> wrote:

>>Nobody is censoring Moore.
>
>They are refusing to screen the film?

So? I have a restaurant. I refuse to sell shrimp. Do the shrimp
fisherman have cause to damn me to the press? (Maybe: Did I have
a contract with them that said I would sell shrimp?)

I make a turkey sandwich. I put mayonaise on it. Does Albertson's
have grounds to slander me for not using mustard? (Did I have a
contract with them that said I would put mustard on my sandwich?)

>First point is that I'm far more right wing than you could ever imagine.
>I have no opinion about the Moore film until I see it.

If Moore really put "getting the message out" before "profit", you'd be
able to see it. It would go straight to video. You'd already be able
to buy it from Amazon or rent it from Blockbuster (unless BB also
decides not to carry it, in which case you can get it wherever you get
foreign films or other cult movies that BB doesn't carry.)

Or, wonder of wonders, he could distribute the movie himself. Sell
DVD's through a website. Or persuade independent film houses to screen
the movie. Or work out some other way to get the film distributed.

Anything would be preferable to crying "censorship." I don't think
Michael Moore knows what censorship would be like. He'd better just be
glad he's here now, and wasn't a filmmaker under Stalin. (Stalin
allowed quite a few movies to be made that were harshly critical of the
party. Soviet politics were *weird*.)

>That is the whole
>point of free speech.

This is more specifically, "free press". Wake me up when a government
entity directly forbids this work to be published or distributed.
Disney's tax considerations doesn't rise to the level. Get us to that
level, and I'll be front and center when we march on Washington.

Kurt Lochner (Weasel Remember!)

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May 6, 2004, 1:04:44 AM5/6/04
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Ms.Soda <mso...@newsguy.com> was all shook up when:

>
> On Wed, 05 May 2004 19:40:41 -0700, zepp
> <zeppn...@finestplanet.com> posted:
>
> > Incidently, if you can't criticize a president because it might
> > offend his delicate little followers, then America is finished.
>
>And then commie suck ass Jamieson[..]

So Zepp's reduced you to a snivelling mass of republican rhetoric
in just a couple of postings, Miss Soda? *>guffaw!<*

--But, that's why you're know fascist bootlicking coward..

james

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May 6, 2004, 1:06:14 AM5/6/04
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In article <4a8j9014cskv2pumc...@4ax.com>,
Foxtrot <fox...@null.com> wrote:

>Disney simply doesn't want to offend large numbers of
>their customers with a politically divisive movie.

Anybody who has touched the entertainment industry knows this, and knew
it before getting involved with Disney. Moore is not fooling anybody.
He saw this coming. He's milking the controversy for publicity.

It leads me to assume the film is weak.

R

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May 6, 2004, 1:40:24 AM5/6/04
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In article <XGjmc.15800$fE.14519@fed1read02>, fish...@conservatory.com says...

>
>In article <z_imc.1003$XI4....@news.xtra.co.nz>,
>R <r0071230...@yahoo.co.nz> wrote:
>
>>>Nobody is censoring Moore.
>>
>>They are refusing to screen the film?
>
>So? I have a restaurant. I refuse to sell shrimp. Do the shrimp
>fisherman have cause to damn me to the press? (Maybe: Did I have
>a contract with them that said I would sell shrimp?)

Censorship is evaluation and suppression of objectional material.


>>That is the whole
>>point of free speech.
>
>This is more specifically, "free press". Wake me up when a government
>entity directly forbids this work to be published or distributed.
>Disney's tax considerations doesn't rise to the level. Get us to that
>level, and I'll be front and center when we march on Washington.

Ok, I conceed they have the commercial right to show or not show the
film. I still think it is a form of censorship by Disney, and ultimately
a guttless and commercially wrong decision.

ex_cathedra

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May 6, 2004, 1:41:34 AM5/6/04
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r0071230...@yahoo.co.nz (R) wrote in message news:<Enhmc.970$XI4....@news.xtra.co.nz>...

It's clear he's terrorizing the election.

I think these are his rights in a "war footing".
He has the right to be forced to wear womens panties and masturbate in
them and when he's done strip him naked and make him get on a man
pyramid with the film crew that made it with a sandbag on his head.
Oh yeah sodomize his butt then leave him handcuffed with his face in
Eisners crotch.
(And take pictures !)
I think people would pay to see that too!
Then call it an isolated incident and blame it on a couple of low
level lackeys if anyone has a problem with it.

Steve Canyon

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May 6, 2004, 6:42:44 AM5/6/04
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On Thu, 06 May 2004 02:30:46 GMT, Mitchell Holman
<ta2eene...@comcast.com> wrote:

Oh yeah, I'll bet you like to go out and protest things for fun, don;t
you?

>> http://www.gayday.com/
>
>
> Funny - I don't see any of the "overt sexual activity"
>you fear so at that site. Perhaps you could point it out
>for us.
>


The activity at Disneyland has been pretty well documented over the
last few years. I'm not going to go looking for it for you. You can
find your own queer pornography.

Steve Canyon

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May 6, 2004, 6:42:45 AM5/6/04
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On Thu, 06 May 2004 02:33:47 GMT, Mitchell Holman
<ta2eene...@comcast.com> wrote:

Nope, just heard about it.

>>>Most "overt sexual activity" is illegal.
>>
>> Yep, sure is....
>>
>>> Or do you mean kissing and
>>>hugging and holding hands?
>>>
>>
>> As disgusting as it is to see two "same-sexes" doing that, I'll let it
>> pass as long as they limit their activities to the same stuff
>> allowable in public by heterosexuals.
>
>
> Still waiting for your proof of "overt sexual
>activity" at Disneyworld.
>
>
>

Steve Canyon

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May 6, 2004, 6:42:47 AM5/6/04
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On Thu, 06 May 2004 02:32:02 GMT, Mitchell Holman
<ta2eene...@comcast.com> wrote:

>Steve Canyon <Steven...@yahoooooooooo.com> wrote in
>news:n95j901otm2k2biqr...@4ax.com:
>
>> On Wed, 05 May 2004 20:43:06 GMT, Mitchell Holman
>> <ta2eene...@comcast.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Steve Canyon <Steven...@yahoooooooooo.com> wrote in
>>>news:v5vh90l7o8eq36em1...@4ax.com:
>>>
>>>> On Wed, 05 May 2004 14:17:26 GMT, fish...@conservatory.com (james)
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>In article <tnph9013ugvipc6ni...@4ax.com>,
>>>>>Steve Canyon <Steven...@yahoooooooooo.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>I wouldn't mind the Disney "gay day" thing if they'd issue some
>>>>>>baseball bats at the gate to visitors who could the use them to beat
>>>>>>some common sense into anybody who is behaving inappropriately.
>>>>>
>>>>>Are you advocating the use of violence directed against American
>>>>>civilians?
>>>>
>>>> Yeah.. <shrug>
>>>
>>>
>>> Like most conservatives, "Steve Canyon" can't
>>>stand the thought that someone, somewhere, is
>>>having more fun than he is.
>>>
>>
>>
>> Hmmmm, so you think homosexual activity in public is fun, eh?
>
>
> What do you consider to be "homosexual activity"?
>Guys walking together? Women kissing? Rosie on TV?
>

Inappropriate behavior is Inappropriate behavior. Rosie is disgusting
in other ways.

Steve Canyon

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May 6, 2004, 6:42:49 AM5/6/04
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On Thu, 06 May 2004 02:02:02 GMT, fish...@conservatory.com (james)
wrote:

>In article <gs5j90d3buud2oc6i...@4ax.com>,
>Steve Canyon <Steven...@yahoooooooooo.com> wrote:
>
>><LOL> Wanting sex with another man is the definition of effeminate
>>pansy.
>
>yeah. But my friend spend about ten years as a carny worker. And about
>20 years as a blacksmith. I don't think you'd take him for a pansy.

Yes I would. His limp wrist would give him away.

>You probably wouldn't even realize he's gay, until after you'd offended
>him past his high tolerance.

<ROTFLMAO> A tough queer...????? I don't think so....

>You sure as hell wouldn't want to be Fred Phelps and get in his way, not
>in those days.

Oh, I'm pretty sure I don't want to be anybody named Fred Phelps
anyway...

>Okay, so, maybe my friend is the exception. But be careful with your
>stereotypes. They might get you in trouble.

Steve Canyon

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May 6, 2004, 6:42:53 AM5/6/04
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On Thu, 06 May 2004 02:25:01 GMT, know-buddy <know-...@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>
>Mr. Moore does not disagree that "Fahrenheit 911" is highly charged,
>but he took issue with the description of it as partisan. "If this is
>partisan in any way it is partisan on the side of the poor and working
>people in this country who provide fodder for this war machine," he
>said.

Too bad, fatboy

>Mr. Moore said the film describes financial connections between the
>Bush family and its associates and prominent Saudi Arabian families
>that go back three decades. He said it closely explores the
>government's role in the evacuation of relatives of Mr. bin Laden from
>the United States immediately after the 2001 attacks. The film
>includes comments from American soldiers on the ground in Iraq
>expressing disillusionment with the war, he said.
>
>
>copied from:
>http://www.nytimes.com/2004/05/05/national/05DISN.html?pagewanted=print&position=

Steve Canyon

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May 6, 2004, 6:42:55 AM5/6/04
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On Thu, 06 May 2004 02:24:41 GMT, Mitchell Holman
<ta2eene...@comcast.com> wrote:

>Steve Canyon <Steven...@yahoooooooooo.com> wrote in

>news:866j9091a02c0nart...@4ax.com:
>
>> On Wed, 05 May 2004 21:16:12 -0400, Milt <miltrem...@usa.com>
>> wrote:


>>
>>>BÎllary wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'm hoping that we can outlaw "Gay Day" at the theme park next. Kids
>>>> don't need to be exposed to that kind of adult behavior. I'm not
>>>> condemning gays, just the behavior in front of the young kids. It's
>>>> not right, and mainstream America agrees with ME!!!
>>>

>>>Disney posts signs all over the park on Gay Day. No family has to see
>>>"that behavior" unless they consciously choose to.
>>
>> So the signs make it OK? The problem is that sometimes people come
>> from a long distance to spend time at Disneyland and they weren't
>> fore-warned that there was going to be a bunch of flaming queers
>> playing grab-ass all over the place. So
>>
>>>BTW, what behavior? You think they blow each other on space mountain?
>>>And if they do, what's to stop heterosexuals from doing so the other 364
>>>days each year? Do you wnat your kids seeing THAT behavior?
>>
>>
>> Nope, but the chances of seeing it on "gay day" are many times higher.
>
>
> My God, you are talking about ONE DAY OF THE YEAR!
>
> Get a life. If you don't like it, don't go then.
>
> Why is that sooooo complicated for you?

Like I said above, and your reading impairment prevented you from
comprehending....

The problem is that sometimes people come
from a long distance to spend time at Disneyland and they weren't
fore-warned that there was going to be a bunch of flaming queers
playing grab-ass all over the place.

I'd have no problem with them if disney made enough public
announcements of this event to insure that people who didn't want to
witness it could alter their vacation plans accordingly.

Steve Canyon

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May 6, 2004, 6:42:57 AM5/6/04
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On Thu, 06 May 2004 02:26:44 GMT, r0071230...@yahoo.co.nz (R)
wrote:

Moore *does* have the right to free speech. What he doesn't have is
the right to force his investors to do what he wants with their
property.

Steve Canyon

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May 6, 2004, 6:42:59 AM5/6/04
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On Thu, 06 May 2004 04:16:31 GMT, r0071230...@yahoo.co.nz (R)
wrote:

>In article <fa9j905f0a0fn00r5...@4ax.com>, mso...@newsguy.com
>says...
>
>
>
>>There are all sorts of money-making ventures in which Disney chooses
>>not to invest. They choose not to invest in the distribution of
>>Moore's propaganda. That's their business.
>
>But they did invest! Moore is on thier books and the film was made.
>
>
>>Nobody is censoring Moore.
>
>They are refusing to screen the film?

It isn';t his film. It belongs to the people who financed it. They
can do what they want with it.

>>Only an ignorant commie suck ass could claim that Disney is
>>"censoring" Moore by refusing to allow their assets and good name to
>>be used in the effort of promoting his crap.
>
>First point is that I'm far more right wing than you could ever imagine.
>I have no opinion about the Moore film until I see it. That is the whole
>point of free speech. Exactly which of us is ignorant if 'you'
>label something as propaganda before even seeing it.
>

Free speech is a government issue. No government is censoring
anything.

Steve Canyon

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May 6, 2004, 6:43:03 AM5/6/04
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On Thu, 06 May 2004 05:40:24 GMT, r0071230...@yahoo.co.nz (R)
wrote:

>In article <XGjmc.15800$fE.14519@fed1read02>, fish...@conservatory.com says...


>>
>>In article <z_imc.1003$XI4....@news.xtra.co.nz>,
>>R <r0071230...@yahoo.co.nz> wrote:
>>
>>>>Nobody is censoring Moore.
>>>
>>>They are refusing to screen the film?
>>
>>So? I have a restaurant. I refuse to sell shrimp. Do the shrimp
>>fisherman have cause to damn me to the press? (Maybe: Did I have
>>a contract with them that said I would sell shrimp?)
>
>Censorship is evaluation and suppression of objectional material.

Censorship is a government issue.

>>>That is the whole
>>>point of free speech.
>>
>>This is more specifically, "free press". Wake me up when a government
>>entity directly forbids this work to be published or distributed.
>>Disney's tax considerations doesn't rise to the level. Get us to that
>>level, and I'll be front and center when we march on Washington.
>
>Ok, I conceed they have the commercial right to show or not show the
>film. I still think it is a form of censorship by Disney, and ultimately
>a guttless and commercially wrong decision.

Steve Canyon

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May 6, 2004, 6:43:07 AM5/6/04
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On Wed, 05 May 2004 19:43:28 -0700, zepp <zeppn...@finestplanet.com>
wrote:

>On Wed, 05 May 2004 21:21:38 -0400, MikeSoja <mso...@newsguy.com>
>wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 05 May 2004 21:11:52 -0400, Milt <miltrem...@usa.com>
>>posted:
>>
>>>BÎllary wrote:
>>
>>>> As a Disney shareholder I approve of this decision.
>>
>>>Yep. Typical right winger. You talk about liberty, but you favor
>>>censorship of anything you don't like.
>>
>>Yer a typical commie suck ass, Milt. You talk about liberty, but
>>you favor forcing people to conduct their own affairs as *you* see
>>fit.
>>
>>Mike Soja
>>
>>ps. Disney making decisions in its own interest isn't "censorship",
>>moron.
>
>It is when they have to break the terms of agreement with their own
>subsidiary in order to do so. Miramax doesn't answer to Disney on
>distribution of films, as long as two criterion are met: the film
>isn't over budget (and Moore's wasn't) and it isn't rated NC-17.

There are no terms of agreement being broken. If that were th case,
Moore could sue.

This is clearly a case where Moore has made a movie that his
financiers do not approve of.

It's not censorship, it's laughable.

Steve Canyon

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May 6, 2004, 6:43:12 AM5/6/04
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On Wed, 5 May 2004 22:18:13 -0400, "Sid9, Liberal"
<si...@bellsouth.net> wrote:

>Foxtrot wrote:


>> Milt <miltrem...@usa.com> wrote:
>>
>>> BÎllary wrote:
>>>> As a Disney shareholder I approve of this decision.
>>>
>>> Yep. Typical right winger. You talk about liberty, but you favor
>>> censorship of anything you don't like.
>>

>> Horseshit. Disney decided not to distribute Moore's latest
>> vitriolic rant because it's bad business to insult the tens of
>> millions of people who don't see Bush as a megalomaniac,
>> like the hate-filled Moore does. It has nothing to do with
>> where it falls on the political spectrum. They wouldn't
>> distribute a film that attacked BJ in such a way either.
>>

>>> That's the difference between right and left.
>>>
>>> I have been outspoken
>>
>> <sanctimonious rant mercifully snipped>
>

>Dummy.
>That's loss of freedom to dissent.
>That's what your beloved second amendment is about.

The second amendment is about government censorship, you moron.

>We disagree with the threat that Disney perceives from the government
>

You dopey liberals' disagreements bring joy to my heart.

zepp

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May 6, 2004, 7:40:04 AM5/6/04
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On Thu, 06 May 2004 05:40:24 GMT, r0071230...@yahoo.co.nz (R)
wrote:

>In article <XGjmc.15800$fE.14519@fed1read02>, fish...@conservatory.com says...


>>
>>In article <z_imc.1003$XI4....@news.xtra.co.nz>,
>>R <r0071230...@yahoo.co.nz> wrote:
>>
>>>>Nobody is censoring Moore.
>>>
>>>They are refusing to screen the film?
>>
>>So? I have a restaurant. I refuse to sell shrimp. Do the shrimp
>>fisherman have cause to damn me to the press? (Maybe: Did I have
>>a contract with them that said I would sell shrimp?)

In this case, there was a contract to sell shrimp, so to speak.
Miramax has a contract with Moore, and the only grounds Disney has to
nullify the contract is if the film ran well over budget (which it
hasn't) or if it has an NC-17 rating.

>
>Censorship is evaluation and suppression of objectional material.

>
>
>>>That is the whole
>>>point of free speech.
>>
>>This is more specifically, "free press". Wake me up when a government
>>entity directly forbids this work to be published or distributed.
>>Disney's tax considerations doesn't rise to the level. Get us to that
>>level, and I'll be front and center when we march on Washington.
>
>Ok, I conceed they have the commercial right to show or not show the
>film. I still think it is a form of censorship by Disney, and ultimately
>a guttless and commercially wrong decision.

Actually, they DON'T have that right in this case. Miramax has
semi-autonomy under Disney, and Disney's options on film contracts are
limited.

Steve Canyon

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May 6, 2004, 7:49:12 AM5/6/04
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On Thu, 06 May 2004 04:40:04 -0700, zepp <zeppn...@finestplanet.com>
wrote:

>On Thu, 06 May 2004 05:40:24 GMT, r0071230...@yahoo.co.nz (R)
>wrote:
>
>>In article <XGjmc.15800$fE.14519@fed1read02>, fish...@conservatory.com says...
>>>
>>>In article <z_imc.1003$XI4....@news.xtra.co.nz>,
>>>R <r0071230...@yahoo.co.nz> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>Nobody is censoring Moore.
>>>>
>>>>They are refusing to screen the film?
>>>
>>>So? I have a restaurant. I refuse to sell shrimp. Do the shrimp
>>>fisherman have cause to damn me to the press? (Maybe: Did I have
>>>a contract with them that said I would sell shrimp?)
>
>In this case, there was a contract to sell shrimp, so to speak.
>Miramax has a contract with Moore, and the only grounds Disney has to
>nullify the contract is if the film ran well over budget (which it
>hasn't) or if it has an NC-17 rating.

<LOL> Bullshit! If that were th case, Moore could sue instead of
simply whine......

zepp

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May 6, 2004, 8:21:50 AM5/6/04
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On 5 May 2004 22:41:34 -0700, excat...@eboxmail.net (ex_cathedra)
wrote:

It's the new American way!

zepp

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May 6, 2004, 8:27:37 AM5/6/04
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On Wed, 05 May 2004 23:25:02 -0400, MikeSoja <mso...@newsguy.com>
wrote:

>On Wed, 05 May 2004 19:43:28 -0700, zepp
><zeppn...@finestplanet.com> posted:
>
>>On Wed, 05 May 2004 21:21:38 -0400, MikeSoja <mso...@newsguy.com>
>>wrote:
>
>>>On Wed, 05 May 2004 21:11:52 -0400, Milt <miltrem...@usa.com>
>>>posted:
>
>>>>BÎllary wrote:
>
>>>>> As a Disney shareholder I approve of this decision.
>
>>>>Yep. Typical right winger. You talk about liberty, but you favor
>>>>censorship of anything you don't like.
>
>>>Yer a typical commie suck ass, Milt. You talk about liberty, but
>>>you favor forcing people to conduct their own affairs as *you* see
>>>fit.
>
>>>Mike Soja
>
>>>ps. Disney making decisions in its own interest isn't "censorship",
>>>moron.
>
>>It is when they have to break the terms of agreement with their own
>>subsidiary in order to do so.
>
>Howzat, tubby? I think you need to look up the definition of
>censorship. The definition doesn't hinge on "agreement[s]".

I think you need to look up the term, "contract", Sistah Soja.

Miramax is semi-autonomous (not Autonomouse), and as part of the
corporate merger agreement, Disney may stop distribution of a Miramax
film ONLY if the film is very much over budget, or if it receives an
NC-17 rating.

Chew on that, market boy.

>
>Matter of fact, zippy you probably ought to stick your fat head back
>up your fat commie ass and see if you can find any evidence of any
>"agreement" that Disney did "break the terms of", as you so lyingly
>put it. When Miramax undertook the financing of Moore's suck ass
>film, a year ago or more, Miramax was told then by Disney that they
>would not be distributing the vile thing. It was in The Times,
>scumbag. Read all about it.
>

Miramax itself noted the terms of the agreement in their release
yesterday in which they expressed hopes that a resolution could be
reached.

>>Miramax doesn't answer to Disney on
>>distribution of films, as long as two criterion are met: the film
>>isn't over budget (and Moore's wasn't) and it isn't rated NC-17.
>
>Those are two criteria. Those aren't the only two criteria in the
>formal contractual agreement between Miramax and its parent, as you
>well know, but you're just another lying commie suck ass scumbag.
>
>Right, zippy?

Those are the only ones. You may have noticed that Disney hasn't come
up with a reason yet. Tried wondering why not, little corporate
suck-up?
>
>
>Mike Soja

zepp

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May 6, 2004, 8:31:39 AM5/6/04
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On Wed, 05 May 2004 23:37:40 -0400, MikeSoja <mso...@newsguy.com>
wrote:

>On Thu, 06 May 2004 02:26:44 GMT, r0071230...@yahoo.co.nz (R)
>posted:
>
><snips>
>
>>I heard today that you will not release the doco about 9/11.
>>I am disappointed that you will not allow free speech and
>>alternative views. I would probably not agree with Michael
>>Moore, but would like to hear his opinion and respect
>>his right to share his opinion.
>
>Here's a list of 297 film distributors *other* than Miramax. Why
>not be a hero and phone the list in to commie suck ass Michael
>Moore? See if any of *them* want to associate themselves with one
>of capitalism's biggest haters.
>
>

[Snip silly, irrelevent and bandwidth-wasting list]

Gee, Sistah Soja, don't you think you should wait to whine about
"capitalism haters" for an instance where one of your showcase
examples hasn't just been caught lying, cheating, and trying to
determine what free people in America might be allowed to see?

Jeffrey Scott Linder

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May 6, 2004, 8:29:30 AM5/6/04
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Milt <miltrem...@usa.com> wrote:

>Jeffrey Scott Linder wrote:
>
>> Mitchell Holman <ta2eene...@comcast.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>"BÎllary" <F. Libe...@vastrightwingconspiracy.gov> wrote in
>>>news:aC5mc.31870$sK3....@nwrddc03.gnilink.net:
>>>
>>>

>>>>I'm hoping that we can outlaw "Gay Day" at the theme park next. Kids
>>>>don't need to be exposed to that kind of adult behavior. I'm not

>>>>condemning gays, just the behavior in front of the young kids. It's not


>>>>right, and mainstream America agrees with ME!!!
>>>
>>>
>>> Using government to tell theme parks what patrons
>>>they will be allowed to admit.
>>>
>>> Another first from the "fewer regulations" plank
>>>of the GOP..........
>>
>>
>> Yet I suspect you have no problem with the government telling a
>> business whom they should or should not hire...
>>
>> a restaraunt determining whom they will or will not serve...
>>
>> a bar determining whether or not its patrons are permitted to
>> smoke....
>>
>
>No, fuckwit.
>
>A business open to the public should not be allowed to discriminate.

But yet you seem to think they should be able to.


"While some of it makes sense, such as banning smoking in public
buildings,"


>Disney is, of course, allowed to not distribute Moore's movie. And we're
>allowed to point out what a bunch of spineless pathetic fucks they are
>for doing so...
>

JSL

Steve Canyon

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May 6, 2004, 8:48:55 AM5/6/04
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On Wed, 05 May 2004 21:33:57 -0400, Milt <miltrem...@usa.com>
wrote:

>Jeffrey Scott Linder wrote:
>
>> Mitchell Holman <ta2eene...@comcast.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>"BÎllary" <F. Libe...@vastrightwingconspiracy.gov> wrote in
>>>news:aC5mc.31870$sK3....@nwrddc03.gnilink.net:
>>>
>>>
>>>>I'm hoping that we can outlaw "Gay Day" at the theme park next. Kids
>>>>don't need to be exposed to that kind of adult behavior. I'm not
>>>>condemning gays, just the behavior in front of the young kids. It's not
>>>>right, and mainstream America agrees with ME!!!
>>>
>>>
>>> Using government to tell theme parks what patrons
>>>they will be allowed to admit.
>>>
>>> Another first from the "fewer regulations" plank
>>>of the GOP..........
>>
>>
>> Yet I suspect you have no problem with the government telling a
>> business whom they should or should not hire...
>>
>> a restaraunt determining whom they will or will not serve...
>>
>> a bar determining whether or not its patrons are permitted to
>> smoke....
>>
>
>No, fuckwit.
>
>A business open to the public should not be allowed to discriminate.

<LOL> There goes the moron, Milt Shook, talking stupidly about
discrimination again when he apparently doesn't even know what the
word means.

So tell me, Milt, if my business discriminates against queer people by
refusing to hire their "maid service," should that be disallowed?

When I discriminated on the basis of gender by refusing to hire a male
physical therapist, should that have been disallowed?

BTW, just a fe days ago, the moron, Milt, argue that just because the
government doesn't prohibit something doesn't mean that they "allow"
it, and now he contradicts himself by using the word "allow" in th
very same context.

But then, Milt is the moron that claims that little pieces of paper
pay the cost of corporate taxes, not any people.

>Disney is, of course, allowed to not distribute Moore's movie. And we're
>allowed to point out what a bunch of spineless pathetic fucks they are
>for doing so...

zepp

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May 6, 2004, 8:54:08 AM5/6/04
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On Thu, 06 May 2004 05:06:14 GMT, fish...@conservatory.com (james)
wrote:

If it was weak, then Disney would have no trouble with it. Disney
prefers weak films these days.

MikeSoja

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May 6, 2004, 9:32:21 AM5/6/04
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On Thu, 06 May 2004 04:16:31 GMT, r0071230...@yahoo.co.nz (R)
posted:

>First point is that I'm far more right wing than you could ever imagine.
>I have no opinion about the Moore film until I see it.

To my knowledge, Moore has only ever made one kind of film:
propaganda. All indications are that he's made another one.

> That is the whole

>point of free speech. Exactly which of us is ignorant if 'you'
>label something as propaganda before even seeing it.

It means that you get to judge my valuation, and either give me
credit or derision later, or, in your case, further moral
equivocating.

Mike Soja

mr_antone

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May 6, 2004, 10:02:05 AM5/6/04
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On Wed, 05 May 2004 21:21:38 -0400, MikeSoja <mso...@newsguy.com>
wrote:

>On Wed, 05 May 2004 21:11:52 -0400, Milt <miltrem...@usa.com>
>posted:
>
>>BÎllary wrote:
>
>>> As a Disney shareholder I approve of this decision.
>
>>Yep. Typical right winger. You talk about liberty, but you favor
>>censorship of anything you don't like.
>
>Yer a typical commie suck ass, Milt. You talk about liberty, but
>you favor forcing people to conduct their own affairs as *you* see
>fit.
>
>Mike Soja
>
>ps. Disney making decisions in its own interest isn't "censorship",
>moron.

Nobody is forcing Disney to do anything.
It's censorship.
The first amendment says Disney can be criticized for censorship.
Same goes when the RW loons criticize Disney for Gay Day.

mr_antone

MikeSoja

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On Thu, 06 May 2004 05:27:37 -0700, zepp
<zeppn...@finestplanet.com> posted:

>On Wed, 05 May 2004 23:25:02 -0400, MikeSoja <mso...@newsguy.com>
>wrote:

>>On Wed, 05 May 2004 19:43:28 -0700, zepp
>><zeppn...@finestplanet.com> posted:

>>>Miramax doesn't answer to Disney on


>>>distribution of films, as long as two criterion are met: the film
>>>isn't over budget (and Moore's wasn't) and it isn't rated NC-17.

>>Those are two criteria. Those aren't the only two criteria in the
>>formal contractual agreement between Miramax and its parent, as you
>>well know, but you're just another lying commie suck ass scumbag.

>>Right, zippy?

>Those are the only ones.

Common sense says you're either lying (again) or exhibiting your
usual incompetence (again).

Even the NY Times said that there were exceptions "like" the two
listed.

Otherwise, one would have to believe that the business agreement
between two world-class corporate giants, one of whom owns the
other, is less complicated than the agreement you signed for your
internet account.

Bets are that there is *at least* one other clause in the agreement:
one that expresses Disney's freedom to not be limited by any other
listed criteria, just as there is in almost every modern contract in
existence.

Mike Soja

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