vegetable plants
All-seeing-I
the right times of the year.
Broccoli, Cabbage, Cauliflower, Greens of all kinds support the immune
system during the winter.
Hot peppers, sweet peppers, watermelon, strawberry and others nourish
and protect the body when it is hot.
This Hardly Describes a freak happenstance of evolution but rather a
designed and planned process.
The same dirt and the same sun can produce unique plants with just the
right nutrients for the human body at just the right time.
--
Stay Healthy with...
The All Seeing I
Inez
> Veggies give the human body exactly what they need and they do this at
> the right times of the year.
Is this just vegetable plants, or also non-vegetable plants
> Broccoli, Cabbage, Cauliflower, Greens of all kinds support the immune
> system during the winter.
Why would god give us diseases and then plants that support the immune
system to avoid them?
> Hot peppers, sweet peppers, watermelon, strawberry and others nourish
> and protect the body when it is hot.
How exactly does watermelon "protect the body when it is hot?" And
why would god design us to need protection and then provide it in
fruit and vegetable form? Is he crazy or weak?
> This Hardly Describes a freak happenstance of evolution but rather a
> designed and planned process.
Planned by a lunatic.
chris thompson
You posted this same inane crap a few months ago.
Are you mental?
Chris
bpuharic
well guys i guess the game is up.
he's got it all figured out. evolution is dead. this proves it.
Dana Tweedy
> Veggies give the human body exactly what they need and they do this at
> the right times of the year.
>
> Broccoli, Cabbage, Cauliflower, Greens of all kinds support the immune
> system during the winter.
Of course broccoli, cabbage, etc have been bred specifically for their
nutrient value. The original plants they were bred from didn't have the
same nutritional value. Also, Broccoli, Cabbage, Caluflower etc are not
harvested in the winter.
>
> Hot peppers, sweet peppers, watermelon, strawberry and others nourish
> and protect the body when it is hot.
And when it's cold, or medium temps.....
>
> This Hardly Describes a freak happenstance of evolution but rather a
> designed and planned process.
Evolution is not a 'freak happenstance" and the plants above have been
deliberately cultivated for specific traits. They evolved with human
selection to meet specific requiremnts.
>
> The same dirt and the same sun can produce unique plants with just the
> right nutrients for the human body at just the right time.
Plus a lot of human selection for traits, which caused the evolution of
those "right nutrients".
You also forget there are a great many plants that don't provide nutrition
for humans, and in fact are poisonous to humans. Deer, for example eat
poison ivy readily, but it would be damaging for humans to do the same.
DJT
All-seeing-I
wrote:
>
> - Show quoted text -
But you STILL cannot refute it. Why.
RAM
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posting. You can redeem this Coupon at your local Drug Store for a 14
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All-seeing-I
> On Nov 19, 7:33 pm, All-seeing-I <ap...@email.com> wrote:
>
> > Veggies give the human body exactly what they need and they do this at
> > the right times of the year.
>
> Is this just vegetable plants, or also non-vegetable plants
>
> > Broccoli, Cabbage, Cauliflower, Greens of all kinds support the immune
> > system during the winter.
>
> Why would god give us diseases and then plants that support the immune
> system to avoid them?
The disease came from the fallen ones. God gave us help with plants.
>
> > Hot peppers, sweet peppers, watermelon, strawberry and others nourish
> > and protect the body when it is hot.
>
> How exactly does watermelon "protect the body when it is hot?" And
> why would god design us to need protection and then provide it in
> fruit and vegetable form? Is he crazy or weak?
What do we need more of when it is hot? WATER. What makes up much of a
watermelon? WATER.
You can be suprisingly short sided at times Inez.
Plus watermelon is high in potassium. A good summer time nutrient,
> > This Hardly Describes a freak happenstance of evolution but rather a
> > designed and planned process.
>
> Planned by a lunatic.
Fine line between genius and insanity.
>
> > The same dirt and the same sun can produce unique plants with just the
> > right nutrients for the human body at just the right time.
>
> > --
> > Stay Healthy with...
>
> > The All Seeing I- Hide quoted text -
Dana Tweedy
> On Nov 19, 9:38 pm, Inez <savagemouse...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> On Nov 19, 7:33 pm, All-seeing-I <ap...@email.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Veggies give the human body exactly what they need and they do this
>>> at the right times of the year.
>>
>> Is this just vegetable plants, or also non-vegetable plants
>>
>>> Broccoli, Cabbage, Cauliflower, Greens of all kinds support the
>>> immune system during the winter.
>>
>> Why would god give us diseases and then plants that support the
>> immune system to avoid them?
>
> The disease came from the fallen ones.
Do you have any evidence for that assertion?
> God gave us help with plants.
I asked this before, and you didn't answer. Do you believe in the doctrine
of signatures?
http://eds.mounet.com/~jdye/doctrine.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_signatures
If not, why not?
>
>>
>>> Hot peppers, sweet peppers, watermelon, strawberry and others
>>> nourish and protect the body when it is hot.
>>
>> How exactly does watermelon "protect the body when it is hot?" And
>> why would god design us to need protection and then provide it in
>> fruit and vegetable form? Is he crazy or weak?
>
> What do we need more of when it is hot? WATER. What makes up much of a
> watermelon? WATER.
Nearly all plants are made up mostly of water.
>
> You can be suprisingly short sided at times Inez.
>
> Plus watermelon is high in potassium. A good summer time nutrient,
So are bananas. You are getting into Ray Comfort level crazy here.
>
>
>>> This Hardly Describes a freak happenstance of evolution but rather a
>>> designed and planned process.
>>
>> Planned by a lunatic.
>
> Fine line between genius and insanity.
Too easy, that one.....
DJT
John Harshman
So what you're saying is that, out of all the hundreds of thousands of
angiosperm species, a bare few hundred have parts that are edible to us,
and that we have practiced thousands of generations of selective
breeding on to make them more so, and coincidentally those are the very
species we do eat. Shocking!
By the way, "support the immune system" is a code phrase for "has no
documented benefit, and the FDA will close us down if we say it does".
Boikat
> Veggies give the human body exactly what they need and they do this at
> the right times of the year.
>
> Broccoli, Cabbage, Cauliflower, Greens of all kinds support the immune
> system during the winter.
>
> Hot peppers, sweet peppers, watermelon, strawberry and others nourish
> and protect the body when it is hot.
>
> This Hardly Describes a freak happenstance of evolution but rather a
> designed and planned process.
Your incredulity is not a logical basis for dismissing reality.
>
> The same dirt and the same sun can produce unique plants with just the
> right nutrients for the human body at just the right time.
Probably not entirely true.. I suspect thi based upon the source of
the claim: You.
Boikat
John Harshman
> On Nov 19, 9:38 pm, Inez <savagemouse...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> On Nov 19, 7:33 pm, All-seeing-I <ap...@email.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Veggies give the human body exactly what they need and they do this at
>>> the right times of the year.
>> Is this just vegetable plants, or also non-vegetable plants
>>
>>> Broccoli, Cabbage, Cauliflower, Greens of all kinds support the immune
>>> system during the winter.
>> Why would god give us diseases and then plants that support the immune
>> system to avoid them?
>
> The disease came from the fallen ones. God gave us help with plants.
Is god not very powerful, so that he couldn't just get rid of the
diseases instead of introducing these measures of dubious effectiveness?
I mean, how effective is your broccoli against cholera?
>>> Hot peppers, sweet peppers, watermelon, strawberry and others nourish
>>> and protect the body when it is hot.
>> How exactly does watermelon "protect the body when it is hot?" And
>> why would god design us to need protection and then provide it in
>> fruit and vegetable form? Is he crazy or weak?
>
> What do we need more of when it is hot? WATER. What makes up much of a
> watermelon? WATER.
Hey, know where you can get even more concentrated water? From water.
> You can be suprisingly short sided at times Inez.
Which side of her is short? Right or left?
> Plus watermelon is high in potassium. A good summer time nutrient,
So is gatorade. Did god give us gatorade?
>>> This Hardly Describes a freak happenstance of evolution but rather a
>>> designed and planned process.
>> Planned by a lunatic.
>
> Fine line between genius and insanity.
One that seems to have been crossed, and in the wrong direction?
Inez
> On Nov 19, 9:38 pm, Inez <savagemouse...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Nov 19, 7:33 pm, All-seeing-I <ap...@email.com> wrote:
>
> > > Veggies give the human body exactly what they need and they do this at
> > > the right times of the year.
>
> > Is this just vegetable plants, or also non-vegetable plants
>
> > > Broccoli, Cabbage, Cauliflower, Greens of all kinds support the immune
> > > system during the winter.
>
> > Why would god give us diseases and then plants that support the immune
> > system to avoid them?
>
> The disease came from the fallen ones. God gave us help with plants.
>
who didn't know the difference between right and wrong eating some
fruit they weren't suppose to eat. So the punishment is disease
forever, mitigated to an insignificant degree by vegetables? What
sort of 0.5-assed system is that?
>
> > > Hot peppers, sweet peppers, watermelon, strawberry and others nourish
> > > and protect the body when it is hot.
>
> > How exactly does watermelon "protect the body when it is hot?" And
> > why would god design us to need protection and then provide it in
> > fruit and vegetable form? Is he crazy or weak?
>
> What do we need more of when it is hot? WATER. What makes up much of a
> watermelon? WATER.
What do you still need when it's cold? WATER. What do you get out of
your faucet, or in more primitive times a river? WATER. Who gets an
appreciable percentage of their intake of water from watermelon? NO
ONE.
> You can be suprisingly short sided at times Inez.
Never thought of the drinking a glass of water trick, did you?
> Plus watermelon is high in potassium. A good summer time nutrient,
>
> > > This Hardly Describes a freak happenstance of evolution but rather a
> > > designed and planned process.
>
> > Planned by a lunatic.
>
> Fine line between genius and insanity.
>
Not usually.
g...@risky-biz.com
> The disease came from the fallen ones. God gave us help with plants.
Can I get some more detail here? Step by step please. God created the
universe perfect, without evil, without disease, right? Then Adam and
Eve committed an evil act, without any knowledge of evil, in a world
with no evil and and that brought evil into the world?
Whence this evil? From the "fallen ones"? Is not God the source of
all? Whoever the distributor may be, does not everything we see come
from God's hand?
VoiceOfReason
All-seeing-I wrote:
> Veggies give the human body exactly what they need and they do this at
> the right times of the year.
The hole was perfectly designed for the puddle of water that filled
it.
<snip>
Burkhard
to go down right to the ground, not a centimetre more, not a centimetre
less. Freak happenstance could never give such an exact result,
obviously fine tuning by a creator
Mike Dworetsky
> Veggies give the human body exactly what they need and they do this at
> the right times of the year.
>
> Broccoli, Cabbage, Cauliflower, Greens of all kinds support the immune
> system during the winter.
>
> Hot peppers, sweet peppers, watermelon, strawberry and others nourish
> and protect the body when it is hot.
>
> This Hardly Describes a freak happenstance of evolution but rather a
> designed and planned process.
Are you aware that nearly all food plants eaten by humans have been
"designed" by artificial selection, by farmers and later by agricultural
scientists, who bred plants with the nutritional and aesthetic
characteristics they wanted?
>
> The same dirt and the same sun can produce unique plants with just the
> right nutrients for the human body at just the right time.
>
>
> --
> Stay Healthy with...
>
> The All Seeing I
--
Mike Dworetsky
(Remove pants sp*mbl*ck to reply)
stew dean
It's either that or we evolved to eat certain plants at a certain
time. Nah - that would be too easy.
.
All-seeing-I
> All-seeing-I wrote:
> > On Nov 19, 9:38 pm, Inez <savagemouse...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> On Nov 19, 7:33 pm, All-seeing-I <ap...@email.com> wrote:
>
> >>> Veggies give the human body exactly what they need and they do this
> >>> at the right times of the year.
>
> >> Is this just vegetable plants, or also non-vegetable plants
>
> >>> Broccoli, Cabbage, Cauliflower, Greens of all kinds support the
> >>> immune system during the winter.
>
> >> Why would god give us diseases and then plants that support the
> >> immune system to avoid them?
>
> > The disease came from the fallen ones.
>
> Do you have any evidence for that assertion?
>
> > God gave us help with plants.
>
> I asked this before, and you didn't answer. Do you believe in the doctrine
> of signatures?
>
>
> If not, why not?
No. Not entirely. But I do believe that much disease is a nutrient
diffenciey that sucessfully leaves the body in a position unable to
defend itself.
Example:
Replacement of vitamins, minerals and neurotransmitter losses from
tobacco smoking
http://www.freshpatents.com/Replacement-of-vitamins-minerals-and-neurotransmitter-losses-from-tobacco-smoking-dt20080501ptan20080102138.php
"Tobacco smoking also depletes vitamin E in the body. A loss of
vitamin E, and a loss of vitamin C contribute to a variety of health
problems. In particular, the inflammatory process used by the body can
be impacted, and in addition, plasma and urinary CEHCs can be
decreased. CEHC (alpha CEHC=apha-carboxy-ethyl-hydroxychroman) is a
metabolite of vitamin E."
Vitamin A.C,E, the minerals Selenium and Zinc are impariative for the
human body. However, many food additives, perservitives, chemials in
the environment, even some modern medicines rob the body of these
vitals.
Tobacco ---A C E
Laxatives ---Posassium A K
Most startling, floride, that is in most water sourses today robs the
body of vitamin C which is paramount to good health.
http://www.innvista.com/health/anatomy/destroys.htm
> >>> Hot peppers, sweet peppers, watermelon, strawberry and others
> >>> nourish and protect the body when it is hot.
>
> >> How exactly does watermelon "protect the body when it is hot?" And
> >> why would god design us to need protection and then provide it in
> >> fruit and vegetable form? Is he crazy or weak?
Potassium and water.
God is not crazy. You do not fully understand what is going on with
man's
existance right now. Primarily because of bad religious teachings that
focus
on the touchy-feely and donations while disregarding the real hard
truths.
> > What do we need more of when it is hot? WATER. What makes up much of a
> > watermelon? WATER.
>
> Nearly all plants are made up mostly of water.
Dude, You bite into some cabbage, then I will bite into some
watermelon when it is
98 degrees outside and we are are thirsty. let me know how satisfying
that
cabbage was, ok?
> > You can be suprisingly short sided at times Inez.
>
> > Plus watermelon is high in potassium. A good summer time nutrient,
>
> So are bananas. You are getting into Ray Comfort level crazy here.
>
Denial is not good for your health.
>
> >>> This Hardly Describes a freak happenstance of evolution but rather a
> >>> designed and planned process.
>
> >> Planned by a lunatic.
>
> > Fine line between genius and insanity.
>
> Too easy, that one.....
>
> DJT- Hide quoted text -
All-seeing-I
You are being contrary just to be contrary
As a scientist, you should know the vital roll nutrients play in the
human body.
All-seeing-I
Of course. The FDA is relegated to being nothing more then an arm of
the food and drug companies today. What makes you think the food and
drug companies in America care about your health more then their
profits?
'
getting back to point of the OP. Many of the foods we eat are
perfectly balanced and shows they were created just for us.
.
Ilas
306b8d...@g23g2000yqh.googlegroups.com:
> What do we need more of when it is hot? WATER. What makes up much of a
> watermelon? WATER.
Indeed. I've installed a device in my kitchen that extracts the useful
stuff from a watermelon and provides it in concentrated form, through a
small nozzle. Cost a fortune, it did, and some people said I was mad. But
now I have water on tap 24/7, providing I keep feeding the watermelons into
the giant crushing machine. If there's a simpler way of getting water, I've
yet to find it.
All-seeing-I
Do you always compare apples to grave yards?
All-seeing-I
Great. Just what this NG needs. Another God hater who blames God for
everything.
God created everything with potential. What you do with that potential
can be used for good or bad.
How is what you do, God's fault?
Without a choice between good and bad you become nothing more then a
zombie living in a utopia but not realizing that you do.
If the ancient traditions are accurate, then it was the angels that
left their proper places, came to earth, taught man forbidden
knowledge and the result is what we live with daily. Which is not a
perfect earth as it once was.
" And they began to sin against birds, and beasts, and reptiles, and
fish, and to devour one another's flesh, and drink the blood. 6. Then
the earth laid accusation against the lawless ones."
bpuharic
>Without a choice between good and bad you become nothing more then a
>zombie living in a utopia but not realizing that you do.
isn't that what heaven is? are we going to be zombies there?
>
>If the ancient traditions are accurate, then it was the angels that
>left their proper places, came to earth, taught man forbidden
>knowledge and the result is what we live with daily. Which is not a
>perfect earth as it once was.
there are no 'ancient traditions'. and there are no angels
creationism is ueseless
>
Ye Old One
<ap...@email.com> enriched this group when s/he wrote:
>Denial is not good for your health.
Nor is religion.
--
Bob.
You have not been charged for this lesson - learn from it rather than
continuing to make a fool of yourself.
bpuharic
>
>No. Not entirely. But I do believe that much disease is a nutrient
>diffenciey that sucessfully leaves the body in a position unable to
>defend itself.
good thing scientists discovered this, huh? creationists would have us
sacrificing goats to appease angry gods to cure disease...just as they
did 2000 years ago.
>
>Most startling, floride, that is in most water sourses today robs the
>body of vitamin C which is paramount to good health.
ah. he's one of THOSE guys....
Ye Old One
<ap...@email.com> enriched this group when s/he wrote:
>On Nov 19, 10:28 pm, "g...@risky-biz.com" <g...@risky-biz.com> wrote:
>> On Nov 19, 10:56 pm, All-seeing-I <ap...@email.com> wrote:
>>
>> > The disease came from the fallen ones. God gave us help with plants.
>>
>> Can I get some more detail here? Step by step please. God created the
>> universe perfect, without evil, without disease, right? Then Adam and
>> Eve committed an evil act, without any knowledge of evil, in a world
>> with no evil and and that brought evil into the world?
>>
>> Whence this evil? From the "fallen ones"? Is not God the source of
>> all? Whoever the distributor may be, does not everything we see come
>> from God's hand?
>
>Great. Just what this NG needs. Another God hater who blames God for
>everything.
>
>God created
Nothing. Man created gods.
>everything with potential. What you do with that potential
>can be used for good or bad.
>
>How is what you do, God's fault?
>
>Without a choice between good and bad you become nothing more then a
>zombie living in a utopia but not realizing that you do.
>
>If the ancient traditions are accurate,
They are not.
> then it was the angels that
>left their proper places, came to earth, taught man forbidden
>knowledge and the result is what we live with daily. Which is not a
>perfect earth as it once was.
It never was perfect.
>
>" And they began to sin against birds, and beasts, and reptiles, and
>fish, and to devour one another's flesh, and drink the blood. 6. Then
>the earth laid accusation against the lawless ones."
Harpic!
--
Bob.
People may not always remember exactly what you said, but they will
always remember just how bright you made them feel.
Ye Old One
<ap...@email.com> enriched this group when s/he wrote:
We often compare the space between your ears with the vacuum between
the stars.
--
Bob.
Have you ever wondered what your life would be like if you had had
enough oxygen at birth?
g...@risky-biz.com
> On Nov 19, 10:28 pm, "g...@risky-biz.com" <g...@risky-biz.com> wrote:
>
> > On Nov 19, 10:56 pm, All-seeing-I <ap...@email.com> wrote:
>
> > > The disease came from the fallen ones. God gave us help with plants.
>
> > Can I get some more detail here? Step by step please. God created the
> > universe perfect, without evil, without disease, right? Then Adam and
> > Eve committed an evil act, without any knowledge of evil, in a world
> > with no evil and and that brought evil into the world?
>
> > Whence this evil? From the "fallen ones"? Is not God the source of
> > all? Whoever the distributor may be, does not everything we see come
> > from God's hand?
>
> Great. Just what this NG needs. Another God hater who blames God for
> everything.
I think it's obvious that the entire Genesis story is fiction. If such
an arbitrary and vindictive God existed I would indeed blame him for
the ills of the world, but He is clearly a creation of the human mind,
and bears the doubts, fears and flaws of humans as a result.
> God created everything with potential. What you do with that potential
> can be used for good or bad.
Firstly, what Adam and Eve supposedly did cannot be called evil in any
way that human beings can grasp. They disobeyed a silly arbitrary
command, at most.
Second, you're sidestepping the disease issue here. Where did disease
come from, specifically? The actual germs?
> How is what you do, God's fault?
Fault? That wouldn't be my word. What I take issue with is the
inexplicable notion that an all-powerful God got a universe that he
didn't want, and furthermore, didn't fix it. If there is such a God,
the way it turned out is what he desired
> Without a choice between good and bad you become nothing more then a
> zombie living in a utopia but not realizing that you do.
> If the ancient traditions are accurate, then it was the angels that
> left their proper places, came to earth, taught man forbidden
> knowledge and the result is what we live with daily. Which is not a
> perfect earth as it once was.
Why did God allow this? Just in case you're tempted to say that I
"blame God" again, remember that my position is that none of this ever
happened the way Genesis says.
> " And they began to sin against birds, and beasts, and reptiles, and
> fish, and to devour one another's flesh, and drink the blood. 6. Then
> the earth laid accusation against the lawless ones."
Was God powerless to stop this? Was he powerless to start over and
create a world more to his liking? Why does he afflict thousands of
generations not yet born for His own mistakes?
VoiceOfReason
Inability to comprehend the point noted.
R Brown
"All-seeing-I" <ap...@email.com> wrote in message
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What about the foods we don't eat?
..
John Harshman
As a scientist, I know that a lot of unsupported claims are bogus. Is
there something I said that you would like to challenge?
John Harshman
evil? How, for example, did they create disease?
And you raise further questions. What knowledge is forbidden, and why?
Boikat
>
> Denial is not good for your health.
Neither is willful ignorance.
Good thing you have care-takers.
Boikat
John Harshman
What makes you think the dietary supplement companies in America care
about your health more than their profits? The FDA, imperfect as it is,
acts to protect you from some bad practices.
> getting back to point of the OP. Many of the foods we eat are
> perfectly balanced and shows they were created just for us.
Actually, very few of the foods we eat are perfectly balanced. You have
to eat a varied diet to get all the necessary nutrients, and many foods
contain substances that are actually bad for you.
I see you have chosen not to respond to most of what I said. We eat less
than a tenth of a percent of all angiosperm species, and the ones we do
eat have been engineered -- by us, not god.
Reddfrogg
> On Nov 19, 10:06 pm, "Dana Tweedy" <reddfr...@bresnan.net> wrote:
>
> > I asked this before, and you didn't answer. Do you believe in the doctrine
> > of signatures?
>
>
> > If not, why not?
>
> No. Not entirely. But I do believe that much disease is a nutrient
> diffenciey that sucessfully leaves the body in a position unable to
> defend itself.
Why don't you believe in the doctrine of signatures? It would be
excellent example of a "intelligent designer" leaving clues to his
existence.
Also, while there are some diseases caused by nutrient deficiency
(Scurvy, Beri Beri, etc) the vast majority of diseases are some kind
of infection.
>
> Example:
> Replacement of vitamins, minerals and neurotransmitter losses from
> tobacco smokinghttp://www.freshpatents.com/Replacement-of-vitamins-minerals-and-neur...
this is a typical "snake oil" claim.
>
> "Tobacco smoking also depletes vitamin E in the body. A loss of
> vitamin E, and a loss of vitamin C contribute to a variety of health
> problems. In particular, the inflammatory process used by the body can
> be impacted, and in addition, plasma and urinary CEHCs can be
> decreased. CEHC (alpha CEHC=apha-carboxy-ethyl-hydroxychroman) is a
> metabolite of vitamin E."
Is there any scientific support for this statement?
>
> Vitamin A.C,E, the minerals Selenium and Zinc are impariative for the
> human body. However, many food additives, perservitives, chemials in
> the environment, even some modern medicines rob the body of these
> vitals.
>
> Tobacco ---A C E
> Laxatives ---Posassium A K
Again, while smoking is indeed hazardous to one' health, what
scientific studies have shown the above claims?
>
> Most startling, floride, that is in most water sourses today robs the
> body of vitamin C which is paramount to good health.
There's no evidence that flouride "robs" the body of Vitamin C.
>
> http://www.innvista.com/health/anatomy/destroys.htm
Again, another "snake oil" claim.
>
> > >>> Hot peppers, sweet peppers, watermelon, strawberry and others
> > >>> nourish and protect the body when it is hot.
>
> > >> How exactly does watermelon "protect the body when it is hot?" And
> > >> why would god design us to need protection and then provide it in
> > >> fruit and vegetable form? Is he crazy or weak?
>
> Potassium and water.
Drinking water provides better water replacement than just eating
watermelon. Potassium is also found in many other foods.
>
> God is not crazy.
Yet you make it appear that God is.
> You do not fully understand what is going on with
> man's
> existance right now. Primarily because of bad religious teachings that
> focus
> on the touchy-feely and donations while disregarding the real hard
> truths.
Again, this sounds like another barrel of snake oil.
>
> > > What do we need more of when it is hot? WATER. What makes up much of a
> > > watermelon? WATER.
>
> > Nearly all plants are made up mostly of water.
>
> Dude, You bite into some cabbage, then I will bite into some
> watermelon when it is
> 98 degrees outside and we are are thirsty. let me know how satisfying
> that
> cabbage was, ok?
Neither will provide you the same water than a glass of water
will.
>
> > > You can be suprisingly short sided at times Inez.
>
> > > Plus watermelon is high in potassium. A good summer time nutrient,
>
> > So are bananas. You are getting into Ray Comfort level crazy here.
>
> Denial is not good for your health.
Neither are snake oil claims.
>
DJT
Reddfrogg
"perfectly balanced" for what? None of the food crops grown
provide a "perfect balance" of nutrients for humans. Also, most of
the crops we grow have been bred over centuries to increase their
nutrients, taste, and appearance. Few, if any of the original crops
that were domesticated provided anything near a "perfect" balance.
For example, modern day Maize is descended from a plant called
Teosinte. That plant still grows wild in a few places, and it's
seed heads are very small, and has little nutrient value. Only by
selective breeding over centuries has this crop become a major
foodstuff. Another example is Olives. The wild olive produces a
fruit that humans can't eat. Somewhere along the way, there was a
mutation that produced olives fit for human consumption. Selective
breeding of descendants of that plant have made olives a important
food crop.
Claiming that plants were created "for us" is just absurd.
DJT
>
> .
John Wilkins
<d385b0f4-74b4-4748...@k4g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>,
Reddfrogg <redd...@bresnan.net> wrote:
> On Nov 20, 4:24�am, All-seeing-I <ap...@email.com> wrote:
> > On Nov 19, 10:06�pm, "Dana Tweedy" <reddfr...@bresnan.net> wrote:
> snip
> >
> > > I asked this before, and you didn't answer. �Do you believe in the
> > > doctrine
> > > of signatures?
> >
> > >http://eds.mounet.com/~jdye/doctrine.htmlhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...
> >
> > > If not, why not?
> >
> > No. Not entirely. But I do believe that much disease is a nutrient
> > diffenciey that sucessfully leaves the body in a position unable to
> > defend itself.
>
> Why don't you believe in the doctrine of signatures? It would be
> excellent example of a "intelligent designer" leaving clues to his
> existence.
That was, indeed, the rationalisation for the DoS: God made things
similar to what they treated as a sign to medicines.
>
...
Reddfrogg
> In article
> <d385b0f4-74b4-4748-b3af-614144ec5...@k4g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>,
That's exactly my point. Instead of looking at the Flagella, IDists
should be looking into the shape of plants to find their medicinal
value. Obviously, if God wanted to show that he existed, he'd be
leaving better clues than an appendage in a bacteria.
DJT
raven1
<ap...@email.com> wrote:
>Hot peppers, sweet peppers, watermelon, strawberry and others nourish
>and protect the body when it is hot.
All of these are fruits, not vegetables.
Inez
> On Nov 19, 10:28 pm, "g...@risky-biz.com" <g...@risky-biz.com> wrote:
>
> > On Nov 19, 10:56 pm, All-seeing-I <ap...@email.com> wrote:
>
> > > The disease came from the fallen ones. God gave us help with plants.
>
> > Can I get some more detail here? Step by step please. God created the
> > universe perfect, without evil, without disease, right? Then Adam and
> > Eve committed an evil act, without any knowledge of evil, in a world
> > with no evil and and that brought evil into the world?
>
> > Whence this evil? From the "fallen ones"? Is not God the source of
> > all? Whoever the distributor may be, does not everything we see come
> > from God's hand?
>
> Great. Just what this NG needs. Another God hater who blames God for
> everything.
Well if God made everything and knew from the beginning all that would
happen, how can he not be to blame for everything?
> God created everything with potential. What you do with that potential
> can be used for good or bad.
> How is what you do, God's fault?
We aren't talking about what we do, we're talking about disease as a
result of the fall. Do try to focus.
> Without a choice between good and bad you become nothing more then a
> zombie living in a utopia but not realizing that you do.
That's just factually untrue. Not being able to do bad things doesn't
make you a zombie.
But none of this has anything to do with disease. Even if you believe
evil is necessary, that doesn't mean diseases are necessary.
> If the ancient traditions are accurate, then it was the angels that
> left their proper places, came to earth, taught man forbidden
> knowledge and the result is what we live with daily. Which is not a
> perfect earth as it once was.
If God is omnipotent than nothing happens without his knowledge and
permission.
Inez
So why do you think that fact that people need to eat and get
nutrients is proof of God? If people were designed by an omnipotent
magical being then why do we have to eat at all?
And if we do have to eat, why do we have to eat cabbage in the winter
and watermelon in the summer? Why isn't there one food that
guarantees us perfect nutrition? Does God hate us?
Mark Evans
> All-seeing-I wrote:
> > Veggies give the human body exactly what they need and they do this at
> > the right times of the year.
>
> > system during the winter.
>
> nutrient value. The original plants they were bred from didn't have the
> same nutritional value. Also, Broccoli, Cabbage, Caluflower etc are not
> harvested in the winter.
>
>
>
> > Hot peppers, sweet peppers, watermelon, strawberry and others nourish
> > and protect the body when it is hot.
>
>
>
>
> > This Hardly Describes a freak happenstance of evolution but rather a
> > designed and planned process.
>
> deliberately cultivated for specific traits. They evolved with human
> selection to meet specific requiremnts.
>
>
>
> > The same dirt and the same sun can produce unique plants with just the
> > right nutrients for the human body at just the right time.
>
> those "right nutrients".
>
> You also forget there are a great many plants that don't provide nutrition
> for humans, and in fact are poisonous to humans. Deer, for example eat
> poison ivy readily, but it would be damaging for humans to do the same.
>
> DJT
Hot peppers, and sweet peppers, have also been bred for size, taste
and, in the case of hot peppers, heat. In fact, just about every
plant or plant product that people consume is the result of centuries
of selective breeding by people. In their "natural" state many plants
just don't provide that much in the way of calories or flavor. You
can find the modern forms of many of these plants growing wild but
that is due to the escaping domestication and, in some cases,
supplanting their wild ancestors. Humans have evolved to eat what is
on hand and learned how to modify what is around.
You know, ASI is showing signs of decaying mental acuity and
stability. This post is somewhat more simplistic than his previous
ones and actually reads like a small child wrote. Of course he may
have just cut and pasted it from some source, such as Conservipedia,
but it does not speak well for his mental state.
Mark Evans
Desertphile
> Veggies give the human body exactly what they need and they do this at
> the right times of the year.
Excellent evidence for evolution, yes, we know already.
You're still an ignorant shit, however.
--
http://desertphile.org
Desertphile's Desert Soliloquy. WARNING: view with plenty of water
"Why aren't resurrections from the dead noteworthy?" -- Jim Rutz
Desertphile
<savagem...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Nov 19, 7:33 pm, All-seeing-I <ap...@email.com> wrote:
> > Veggies give the human body exactly what they need and they do this at
> > the right times of the year.
> Is this just vegetable plants, or also non-vegetable plants
> > Broccoli, Cabbage, Cauliflower, Greens of all kinds support the immune
> > system during the winter.
> Why would god give us diseases and then plants that support the immune
> system to avoid them?
More to the point, why did the gods make so many poisonous plants?
TomS
<ef59ea80-944f-4fd6...@b15g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>, Reddfrogg
stated..."
>
>On Nov 20, 4:33=A0am, All-seeing-I <ap...@email.com> wrote:
>> On Nov 19, 10:05=A0pm, John Harshman <jharsh...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> > All-seeing-I wrote:
>t
>> > > the right times of the year.
>>
>e
>> > > system during the winter.
>>
>> > > Hot peppers, sweet peppers, watermelon, strawberry and others nourish
>> > > and protect the body when it is hot.
>>
>> > > This Hardly Describes a freak happenstance of evolution but rather a
>> > > designed and planned process.
>>
>e
>> > > right nutrients for the human body at just the right time.
>>
>> > So what you're saying is that, out of all the hundreds of thousands of
Broccoli, cabbage, and cauliflower happen to be three varieties of the
species Brassica oleacea which have been produced by breeding. Others
are kale, brussels sprouts and kohlrabi.
--
---Tom S.
the failure to nail currant jelly to a wall is not due to the nail; it is due to
the currant jelly.
Theodore Roosevelt, Letter to William Thayer, 1915 July 2
Kermit
> > >> On Nov 19, 7:33 pm, All-seeing-I <ap...@email.com> wrote:
>
> > >>> Veggies give the human body exactly what they need and they do this
>
> > >> Is this just vegetable plants, or also non-vegetable plants
>
>
> > >> Why would god give us diseases and then plants that support the
> > >> immune system to avoid them?
>
>
>
> > > God gave us help with plants.
>
> > of signatures?
>
> >http://eds.mounet.com/~jdye/doctrine.htmlhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...
>
> > If not, why not?
>
> No. Not entirely. But I do believe that much disease is a nutrient
> diffenciey that sucessfully leaves the body in a position unable to
> defend itself.
>
> Replacement of vitamins, minerals and neurotransmitter losses from
> tobacco smokinghttp://www.freshpatents.com/Replacement-of-vitamins-minerals-and-neur...
>
> vitamin E, and a loss of vitamin C contribute to a variety of health
> problems. In particular, the inflammatory process used by the body can
> be impacted, and in addition, plasma and urinary CEHCs can be
> decreased. CEHC (alpha CEHC=apha-carboxy-ethyl-hydroxychroman) is a
> metabolite of vitamin E."
So is tobacco also a gift from God? Didn't he give us herbs to eat?
It just so happens that some of them kill us slowly. Heh. What a
kidder He is.
>
> Vitamin A.C,E, the minerals Selenium and Zinc are impariative for the
> human body. However, many food additives, perservitives, chemials in
> the environment, even some modern medicines rob the body of these
> vitals.
>
> Tobacco ---A C E
> Laxatives ---Posassium A K
>
> Most startling, floride, that is in most water sourses today robs the
> body of vitamin C which is paramount to good health.
>
> http://www.innvista.com/health/anatomy/destroys.htm
Any cites? This quack website doesn't offer any.
>
> > >>> Hot peppers, sweet peppers, watermelon, strawberry and others
> > >>> nourish and protect the body when it is hot.
>
> > >> How exactly does watermelon "protect the body when it is hot?" And
> > >> why would god design us to need protection and then provide it in
> > >> fruit and vegetable form? Is he crazy or weak?
>
> Potassium and water.
>
> God is not crazy. You do not fully understand what is going on with
> man's
> existance right now. Primarily because of bad religious teachings that
> focus
> on the touchy-feely and donations while disregarding the real hard
> truths.
"Hard truths" that can't be replicated, and which make no predictions
that can be verified in the real world, and which offer no viable
mechanisms.
>
> > > What do we need more of when it is hot? WATER. What makes up much of a
> > > watermelon? WATER.
>
> > Nearly all plants are made up mostly of water.
>
> Dude, You bite into some cabbage, then I will bite into some
> watermelon when it is
> 98 degrees outside and we are are thirsty. let me know how satisfying
> that
> cabbage was, ok?
Give me some cabbage, some water, and a pound of fresh antelope.
>
> > > You can be suprisingly short sided at times Inez.
>
> > > Plus watermelon is high in potassium. A good summer time nutrient,
>
> > So are bananas. You are getting into Ray Comfort level crazy here.
>
> Denial is not good for your health.
You misspelled "projection".
We evolved as generalists, our close cousins are too, but we're more
flexible. We are omnivorous, and can live in pretty much any land
environment. Evolution explains this, it is what we expect, and what
we see. You claim that anything bad is our fault ("From the Fall"),
but anything good is God's mercy. Wow. And the world is full of good
and bad things! Proof!
>
>
>
> > >>> This Hardly Describes a freak happenstance of evolution but rather a
> > >>> designed and planned process.
>
> > >> Planned by a lunatic.
>
> > > Fine line between genius and insanity.
>
> > Too easy, that one.....
>
> > DJT- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
You still haven't looked up "pareidolia" or "Dunning-Kruger", have
you? Or maybe you have, and just won't acknowledge it.
Kermit
Kermit
Because if we were just evolved animals, then the animals around us
would need to eat food and drink water, too. Oh, wait...
>
> And if we do have to eat, why do we have to eat cabbage in the winter
> and watermelon in the summer? Why isn't there one food that
> guarantees us perfect nutrition?
That would be manna.
> Does God hate us?
Don't have any manna? Then yes, God hates you. But that's your fault,
I'm sure.
Kermit,
looking for manna in all the wrong places
Kermit
> On Nov 19, 10:28 pm, "g...@risky-biz.com" <g...@risky-biz.com> wrote:
>
> > On Nov 19, 10:56 pm, All-seeing-I <ap...@email.com> wrote:
>
>
> > universe perfect, without evil, without disease, right? Then Adam and
> > Eve committed an evil act, without any knowledge of evil, in a world
> > with no evil and and that brought evil into the world?
>
> > Whence this evil? From the "fallen ones"? Is not God the source of
> > all? Whoever the distributor may be, does not everything we see come
> > from God's hand?
>
> Great. Just what this NG needs. Another God hater who blames God for
> everything.
Excuse me. Like most biblical literalists, you have been blaming *us
for all things bad.
>
> God created everything with potential. What you do with that potential
> can be used for good or bad.
And yet we all choose bad. Out of ten or twenty billion people
throughout history, none of us have chosen to be good. Really? What
kind of free will is that?
>
> How is what you do, God's fault?
How is the nature of the world *our fault?
>
> Without a choice between good and bad you become nothing more then a
> zombie living in a utopia but not realizing that you do.
But you claim - as my grandfather did - that we never choose to be
good.
>
> If the ancient traditions are accurate, then it was the angels that
> left their proper places, came to earth, taught man forbidden
> knowledge and the result is what we live with daily. Which is not a
> perfect earth as it once was.
If the ancient traditions are right, Wodin hung on the tree for nine
days to gain wisdom, and gave up one eye for knowledge.
And we grew out of Yggsdrasil like fruit from a tree. Get yer story
stright.
>
> " And they began to sin against birds, and beasts, and reptiles, and
> fish, and to devour one another's flesh, and drink the blood. 6. Then
> the earth laid accusation against the lawless ones."
No, it's all due to Ratatosk, the strife-making squirrel.
Kermit
Kermit
> On Nov 19, 10:05 pm, John Harshman <jharsh...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> > All-seeing-I wrote:
> > > Veggies give the human body exactly what they need and they do this at
> > > the right times of the year.
>
> > > system during the winter.
>
> > > and protect the body when it is hot.
>
> > > designed and planned process.
>
> > > right nutrients for the human body at just the right time.
>
> > So what you're saying is that, out of all the hundreds of thousands of
> > and that we have practiced thousands of generations of selective
> > breeding on to make them more so, and coincidentally those are the very
> > species we do eat. Shocking!
>
> > By the way, "support the immune system" is a code phrase for "has no
> > documented benefit, and the FDA will close us down if we say it does".
>
> Of course. The FDA is relegated to being nothing more then an arm of
> the food and drug companies today. What makes you think the food and
> drug companies in America care about your health more then their
> profits?
> '
> getting back to point of the OP. Many of the foods we eat are
> perfectly balanced and shows they were created just for us.
>
You ever eat a wild carrot? It's like chewing on a pencil, but without
the nutritious benefit of the graphite core.
Kermit
Inez
milk!
chris thompson
> Veggies give the human body exactly what they need and they do this at
> the right times of the year.
Ah, that's why we can harvest rice and beans in midwinter, when we
need protein to produce antibodies.
Oops, we cannot harvest rice and beans in midwinter, can we?
>
> Broccoli, Cabbage, Cauliflower, Greens of all kinds support the immune
> system during the winter.
But antibodies are proteins, and we cannot get complete proteins from
the plants you mention above.
And (contrary to your claim of not having refuted this silliness) as I
posted in response to your gibberish of March 1 (in a thread titled "A
simple question for Adman") the plants you mention are NOT winter
plants. They can be planted in winter but they are harvested in
Spring. You might also plant them in midsummer, in which case you
harvest them in early Fall.
And what about all those people in places that are too hot to grow
broccoli, cabbage and cauliflower? If the plants are grown in hot
weather, they bolt (i.e., go to seed too quickly). In that case,
they're pretty much inedible.
>
> Hot peppers, sweet peppers, watermelon, strawberry and others nourish
> and protect the body when it is hot.
How so? Which specific nutrients?
>
> This Hardly Describes a freak happenstance of evolution but rather a
> designed and planned process.
Well, that ridiculous statement reeks of your nether regions.
> The same dirt and the same sun can produce unique plants with just the
> right nutrients for the human body at just the right time.
It can also produce _Amanita phalloides_. Why not sample a couple of
those?
>
> --
> Stay Healthy with...
>
> The All Seeing I
Attention Lurkers: You're better off with an Outback Steakhouse Aussie
Cheese Fries with Ranch Dressing, washed down with a Jamba Chocolate
Power Smoothie, than listening to [M]adman's dietary advice!
Chris
Note: food choices made on the basis of:
http://health.yahoo.com/experts/eatthis/139/the-20-worst-foods-in-america/
John Wilkins
<c85967e8-6307-4314...@k17g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>,
Kermit <unrestra...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> You still haven't looked up "pareidolia" or "Dunning-Kruger", have
> you? Or maybe you have, and just won't acknowledge it.
If he did, he'd only see what he wanted to, and be too stupid to
realise it.
Will in New Haven
> Veggies give the human body exactly what they need and they do this at
> the right times of the year.
>
> system during the winter.
>
> and protect the body when it is hot.
>
> designed and planned process.
>
> right nutrients for the human body at just the right time.
>
"Vegatables are what FOOD eats." my friend Joanne
--
Will in New Haven
Steven L.
> Veggies give the human body exactly what they need and they do this at
> the right times of the year.
>
> Broccoli, Cabbage, Cauliflower, Greens of all kinds support the immune
> system during the winter.
>
> Hot peppers, sweet peppers, watermelon, strawberry and others nourish
> and protect the body when it is hot.
>
> This Hardly Describes a freak happenstance of evolution but rather a
> designed and planned process.
No, I can understand this very well, as mutually dependent co-evolution.
Animals ate the plants, stayed healthy longer, and helped propagate
the plants' seeds for a longer period of time. Then we humans came
along and specifically bred varieties that were even more nutritious for
our benefit.
What I do find remarkable, however, is how we can get stoned on opium
and morphine from the poppy plant. I never heard of animals doing this.
Yet somehow, we humans can use this plant, which grows in the wild, as
a recreational drug or medical anesthetic. Just a bizarre evolutionary
coincidence?
--
Steven L.
Email: sdli...@earthlinkNOSPAM.net
Remove the NOSPAM before replying to me.
MAB
> Veggies give the human body exactly what they need and they do this at
> the right times of the year.
>
> Broccoli, Cabbage, Cauliflower, Greens of all kinds support the immune
> system during the winter.
>
> Hot peppers, sweet peppers, watermelon, strawberry and others nourish
> and protect the body when it is hot.
>
> This Hardly Describes a freak happenstance of evolution but rather a
> designed and planned process.
>
> right nutrients for the human body at just the right time.
>
> Stay Healthy with...
>
> The All Seeing I
Please provide a reliable source for this amazing information.
hersheyh
Cats and catnip. Many organisms, from birds to elephants, are
affected by the alcohol in rotting fruit just like humans are (drunken
elephants can do some consideralbe damage). And studies show that lab
animals get addicted to many of the same mind-altering substances that
humans do (nicotine, heroin, cocaine). The problem in nature is that
the sources tend not to be as concentrated or chemically altered so as
to produce a significant high. Wild bighorn sheep will take great
risks to get to and will then grind their teeth to their gums to
scrape off and eat a particular lichen that the local Amerinds also
used as a narcotic. See
http://groups.google.com/group/talk.origins/browse_frm/thread/fb0618cf2168c70f/dad7292d011c0731#dad7292d011c0731
for more examples.
And, recently, we see that rats can get addicted to HoHos just like
humans:
http://www.sciencenews.org/view/generic/id/48605/title/Junk_food_turns_rats_into_addicts
>
> --
> Steven L.
> Email: sdlit...@earthlinkNOSPAM.net
hersheyh
> > Veggies give the human body exactly what they need and they do this at
> > the right times of the year.
>
> > Broccoli, Cabbage, Cauliflower, Greens of all kinds support the immune
> > system during the winter.
>
> > Hot peppers, sweet peppers, watermelon, strawberry and others nourish
> > and protect the body when it is hot.
>
> > This Hardly Describes a freak happenstance of evolution but rather a
> > designed and planned process.
>
> No, I can understand this very well, as mutually dependent co-evolution.
> Animals ate the plants, stayed healthy longer, and helped propagate
> the plants' seeds for a longer period of time. Then we humans came
> along and specifically bred varieties that were even more nutritious for
> our benefit.
>
> What I do find remarkable, however, is how we can get stoned on opium
> and morphine from the poppy plant. I never heard of animals doing this.
Specifically, opium is only present in poppies during a short part of
the season and the plant itself is quite bitter and toxic to most
vertebrates. However, during that time water buffalo will graze on
the plants and become unwilling to work (aka, stoned). After the
season they will show symptoms of withdrawal. Because of the toxicity
of the plants, they don't over consume. But mahouts will put out
purified opium balls to capture wild elephants. Llamas like their
cocoa leaves and coffee and 'khat' were 'discovered' by observing
goats.
> Yet somehow, we humans can use this plant, which grows in the wild, as
> a recreational drug or medical anesthetic. Just a bizarre evolutionary
> coincidence?
>
> --
> Steven L.
> Email: sdlit...@earthlinkNOSPAM.net
Desertphile
<marklynn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Nov 19, 10:33 pm, All-seeing-I <ap...@email.com> wrote:
> > Veggies give the human body exactly what they need and they do this at
> > the right times of the year.
> >
> > Broccoli, Cabbage, Cauliflower, Greens of all kinds support the immune
> > system during the winter.
> >
> > Hot peppers, sweet peppers, watermelon, strawberry and others nourish
> > and protect the body when it is hot.
> >
> > This Hardly Describes a freak happenstance of evolution but rather a
> > designed and planned process.
> >
> > The same dirt and the same sun can produce unique plants with just the
> > right nutrients for the human body at just the right time.
> Please provide a reliable source for this amazing information.
Jesus is the answer!
All-Seeing-I
>
> Kermit <unrestrained_h...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > You still haven't looked up "pareidolia" or "Dunning-Kruger", have
> > you? Or maybe you have, and just won't acknowledge it.
>
> If he did, he'd only see what he wanted to, and be too stupid to
> realise it.
Typical evolutionist response:
"You are stupid"
Reddfrogg
Wow, that one sailed right over your head...
Note what John was talking about, ie pareidolia, and the "Dunning-
Kruger effect".
DJT
Free Lunch
<allse...@usa.com> wrote in talk.origins:
You are stupid. That response has to do with you, not with the people
responding to you. You have chosen to keep yourself ignorant and
foolish.
heekster
Hook, line, and sinker.
bpuharic
<allse...@usa.com> wrote:
says the guy who, when presented with evidence of evolution says;
GET MEDICAL HELP!!
or other nonsense.
Boikat
Most anti-evolutionists are. Your point, Mr. Cambrian Mammal =
Trilobite?
Boikat
Ye Old One
Usual creationist response "I am stupid, but I'll claim I'm not."
Madman (aka Mudbrain) is on record as claiming:-
That 3.5% actually means 25%...
That the actor Paul Newman was a creationist...
That "Dr." Kent Hovind has made lots of *scientific* discoveries...
That wars have been fought because some scientific finding discredited
some facet of some religion...
To have a "higher education" than most posters to this news group...
To understand how geologists determine the age of any given sample of
rock...
That trilobites were Cambrian mammals... [that one still makes me
laugh]
And that he has "created genes" and not evolved ape genes...
That linguists have traced all the world's languages to the Middle
East region and back to around the same time as the bible claims Noah
and his sons rebuilt mankind.
Claimed that talk.origin's moderator was a troll.
Claimed cigarettes do not cause cancer.
Now, I ask you, is this the sort of guy you would give an credence to?
Certainly I don't.
--
Bob.
All-seeing-I
A deliberte lie? ...or you can't keep up?
>
>
> > If the ancient traditions are accurate, then it was the angels that
> > left their proper places, came to earth, taught man forbidden
> > knowledge and the result is what we live with daily. Which is not a
> > perfect earth as it once was.
>
> If the ancient traditions are right, Wodin hung on the tree for nine
> days to gain wisdom, and gave up one eye for knowledge.
>
> And we grew out of Yggsdrasil like fruit from a tree. Get yer story
> stright.
>
> > " And they began to sin against birds, and beasts, and reptiles, and
> > fish, and to devour one another's flesh, and drink the blood. 6. Then
> > the earth laid accusation against the lawless ones."
>
> No, it's all due to Ratatosk, the strife-making squirrel.
>
> Kermit- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
You obviously failed Englist Lit. in high school and in college
All-seeing-I
> All-seeing-I wrote:
> > On Nov 19, 10:05 pm, John Harshman <jharsh...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> >> All-seeing-I wrote:
> >>> Veggies give the human body exactly what they need and they do this at
> >>> the right times of the year.
> >>> Broccoli, Cabbage, Cauliflower, Greens of all kinds support the immune
> >>> system during the winter.
> >>> Hot peppers, sweet peppers, watermelon, strawberry and others nourish
> >>> and protect the body when it is hot.
> >>> This Hardly Describes a freak happenstance of evolution but rather a
> >>> designed and planned process.
> >>> The same dirt and the same sun can produce unique plants with just the
> >>> right nutrients for the human body at just the right time.
> >> angiosperm species, a bare few hundred have parts that are edible to us,
> >> and that we have practiced thousands of generations of selective
> >> breeding on to make them more so, and coincidentally those are the very
> >> species we do eat. Shocking!
>
> >> By the way, "support the immune system" is a code phrase for "has no
> >> documented benefit, and the FDA will close us down if we say it does".
>
> > Of course. The FDA is relegated to being nothing more then an arm of
> > the food and drug companies today. What makes you think the food and
> > drug companies in America care about your health more then their
> > profits?
You don;t wanna go there. Do you?
Does "Vioxx" ring a bell. Og my. The list I could make.
> What makes you think the dietary supplement companies in America care
> about your health more than their profits? The FDA, imperfect as it is,
> acts to protect you from some bad practices.
>
> > getting back to point of the OP. Many of the foods we eat are
> > perfectly balanced and shows they were created just for us.
>
> Actually, very few of the foods we eat are perfectly balanced.
Good. Because that was not my claim.
>You have
> to eat a varied diet to get all the necessary nutrients, and many foods
> contain substances that are actually bad for you.
many?
> I see you have chosen not to respond to most of what I said. We eat less
> than a tenth of a percent of all angiosperm species, and the ones we do
> eat have been engineered -- by us, not god.- Hide quoted text -
This changes the fact that cabbage and broccoli are best for humans in
the winter while watermelon is best in summer, How?
Walter Bushell
Desertphile <deser...@invalid-address.net> wrote:
> On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 19:38:23 -0800 (PST), Inez
> <savagem...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Nov 19, 7:33�pm, All-seeing-I <ap...@email.com> wrote:
>
> > > Veggies give the human body exactly what they need and they do this at
> > > the right times of the year.
>
> > Is this just vegetable plants, or also non-vegetable plants
>
> > > Broccoli, Cabbage, Cauliflower, Greens of all kinds support the immune
> > > system during the winter.
>
> > Why would god give us diseases and then plants that support the immune
> > system to avoid them?
>
> More to the point, why did the gods make so many poisonous plants?
And would a T-Rex be kosher?
--
A computer without Microsoft is like a chocolate cake without mustard.
All-seeing-I
wrote:
Plant cole crops in June and July for fall-winter harvest
http://extension.oregonstate.edu/news/story.php?S_No=253&storyType=garde
Cool Fall Weather Brings Sweet Cole Crops
http://cecalaveras.ucdavis.edu/files/71640.pdf
Cabbage, broccoli and cauliflower and other brassica crops are hardy
crops that can be grown in all areas of New England. They are well
adapted to this region and plants maturing under cool weather
conditions
http://www.nevegetable.org/index.php/crops/brassica
nuff said
Reddfrogg
Sure, why not?
>
> Does "Vioxx" ring a bell. Og my. The list I could make.
people in ancient times ate arsenic, and drank wine stored in lead
vessels. So what?
>
> > What makes you think the dietary supplement companies in America care
> > about your health more than their profits? The FDA, imperfect as it is,
> > acts to protect you from some bad practices.
>
> > > getting back to point of the OP. Many of the foods we eat are
> > > perfectly balanced and shows they were created just for us.
>
> > Actually, very few of the foods we eat are perfectly balanced.
>
> Good. Because that was not my claim.
Then why talk about these things being perfectly balanced?
>
> >You have
> > to eat a varied diet to get all the necessary nutrients, and many foods
> > contain substances that are actually bad for you.
>
> many?
Yes, many.
>
> > I see you have chosen not to respond to most of what I said. We eat less
> > than a tenth of a percent of all angiosperm species, and the ones we do
> > eat have been engineered -- by us, not god.- Hide quoted text -
>
> This changes the fact that cabbage and broccoli are best for humans in
> the winter while watermelon is best in summer, How?
Your assertions are not facts. In any case, cabbages and broccoli
were bred by humans over centuries to be more nutritious. Watermelon
may be a nice treat, it's not the "best" for someone in the summer.
DJT
John Wilkins
<heek...@ifiwxtc.net> wrote:
I sets 'em up and he knocks 'em down...
chris thompson
>
> Cool Fall Weather Brings Sweet Cole Cropshttp://cecalaveras.ucdavis.edu/files/71640.pdf
>
> Cabbage, broccoli and cauliflower and other brassica crops are hardy
> crops that can be grown in all areas of New England. They are well
> adapted to this region and plants maturing under cool weather
> conditionshttp://www.nevegetable.org/index.php/crops/brassica
>
> nuff said
Thank you for proving my point.
These are COOL WEATHER crops.
They are not crops that do well under a meter of snow, which is what
we typically have in the North Atlantic states.
In case you missed the point, there are NO crops that mature in
midwinter in New England. The closest we have is stupidity, imported
from creationism-land, which seems to bloom anywhere there is soil
fortified with all kinds of animal shit.
Chris
Boikat
>
> Cool Fall Weather Brings Sweet Cole Cropshttp://cecalaveras.ucdavis.edu/files/71640.pdf
>
> Cabbage, broccoli and cauliflower and other brassica crops are hardy
> crops that can be grown in all areas of New England. They are well
> adapted to this region and plants maturing under cool weather
Evolution in action.
> conditionshttp://www.nevegetable.org/index.php/crops/brassica
>
> nuff said-
So what? Or aare you climing this supports creationism Aren't you
tired of making all these non-sequiturs? They make you look really
stipid. You know that, don't you?
Boikat
g...@risky-biz.com
Still waiting to hear exactly where disease came from. Don't cop out.
Who exactly designed the germs?
All-Seeing-I
>
> - Show quoted text -
Cabbage is primarily harvested for winter use. Why are you being so
obtuse?
Broccoli and all other members of the cabbage family are rated
‘excellent’ sources of vitamins and minerals such as:
folate
manganese
tryptophan
potassium
vitamin B6
vitamin B2
phosphorus
magnesium
omega 3 fatty acids
vitamin B5
vitamin B1 (thiamin)
vitamin B3 (niacin)
zinc
vitamin E
Research over the past ten years into inflammation and cancer has
shown conclusively that vegetables from the cabbage family (especially
Brussels sprouts and broccoli) contain substances that do three
things: dampen inflammatory response in the body, increase the body’s
ability to kill tumor cells, and depress the ability of tumor cells to
multiply. Brussels Sprouts Nutritional and Health Info.
"Cabbage for medium- to long-term storage is usually transplanted to
the field in June or early July for mid- to late-fall harvest."
Just in time for winter. When humans most need the Vitamins and
minerals I mention above the most. Only a designer could have such
forsight.
Boikat
>
> - Show quoted text -
You still have the problem or your conclusion being an example of a
non-sequitur. The fact that some plants are edible does not mean they
were created by some diety (Or is it "some aliens" today?). That was
your original claim, was it not?
Boikat
Mike Dworetsky
"We can eat cabbages cold-stored over the winter, so we won't starve;
therefore goddidit."
Biggest non-sequitur jump seen from you in the past, um, 36 hours. You do
this all the time. You seem to forget that vegetables and fruits that are
farmed have been extensively bred (by humans) for their properties of
nutrition and taste, as well as in some cases their ability to be stored
over winter. Agriculture started about 10,000 years ago and the
domesticated plants are now very different in most cases from their original
wild progenitors.
President Bush (GHWB) famously said that, now he was President, he didn't
have to eat broccoli any more. Does that make him an apostate?
--
Mike Dworetsky
(Remove pants sp*mbl*ck to reply)
Desertphile
<allse...@usa.com> wrote:
> Typical evolutionist (sic) response:
> "You are stupid"
If you don't like the trust, don't ask.
John Harshman
You're responding to yourself there.
>> What makes you think the dietary supplement companies in America care
>> about your health more than their profits? The FDA, imperfect as it is,
>> acts to protect you from some bad practices.
>>
>>> getting back to point of the OP. Many of the foods we eat are
>>> perfectly balanced and shows they were created just for us.
>> Actually, very few of the foods we eat are perfectly balanced.
>
> Good. Because that was not my claim.
Sorry, I thought you had said "Many of the foods we eat are perfectly
balanced". My bad.
>> You have
>> to eat a varied diet to get all the necessary nutrients, and many foods
>> contain substances that are actually bad for you.
>
> many?
Yes.
>> I see you have chosen not to respond to most of what I said. We eat less
>> than a tenth of a percent of all angiosperm species, and the ones we do
>> eat have been engineered -- by us, not god.
> This changes the fact that cabbage and broccoli are best for humans in
> the winter while watermelon is best in summer, How?
That isn't even a fact. Now what that tells you is that our food wasn't
created by god; it was selected by humans.
Or consider this. Why are all those essential nutrients essential? Why
can't we make them ourselves? A clever god could have arranged it so we
could synthesize those nutrients out of simpler materials, and so
wouldn't need to rely on any fancy diet. Take vitamin C, for example.
Why do we need it? Most other animals can make their own. Why are only
humans (and, oddly, all other primates) defective? And why do we have a
useless remnant of the central gene in the synthesis pathway (the GULO
pseudogene)?
Will in New Haven
Vermont and New Hampshire farmers often found that huge crops of
stones had matured in their fields when the snow finally melted in
July. So they left. The smaht ones.
--
Will in New Haven
hersheyh
>
> Cool Fall Weather Brings Sweet Cole Cropshttp://cecalaveras.ucdavis.edu/files/71640.pdf
>
> Cabbage, broccoli and cauliflower and other brassica crops are hardy
> crops that can be grown in all areas of New England. They are well
> adapted to this region and plants maturing under cool weather
> conditionshttp://www.nevegetable.org/index.php/crops/brassica
>
> nuff said
One of the many problems with all-seeing one's kindergarten taxonomy
that I have already mentioned is that many such names (such as finch)
covers multiple species. Other such kindergarten names (such as tree,
fruit, nut, evergreen, and vegetable) do not match any real taxonomic
group.
But here we see yet another (albeit rarer) problem with kindergarten
taxonomy. *All* the brassica crops are artificially selected
varieties of a single species (Brassica oleracea). That includes
cabbage and kales (leaf-emphasizing varieties), broccoli and
cauliflower (flower-emphasizing), Brussel sprouts, and kohlrabi (root-
emphasizing). All these are varieties derived from the wild mustard
(seed and leaf are used) and NOT separate species despite the dramatic
differences in appearance.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brassica_oleracea
This amazing variety in types of plants is a consequence of artificial
selection in the last few thousand years. That shows the *capacity*
of selection to cause significant amounts of change, even within a
single species. And it also shows that the amount of phenotypic
change is a poor indicator of species formation as defined by the
BSC. That requires a lack or severe constriction of gene exchange
between populations in the wild (aka, reproductive isolation).
hersheyh
They use the mature stones to make stone soup.
Walter Bushell
"Dana Tweedy" <redd...@bresnan.net> wrote:
> Of course broccoli, cabbage, etc have been bred specifically for their
> nutrient value. The original plants they were bred from didn't have the
> same nutritional value. Also, Broccoli, Cabbage, Caluflower etc are not
> harvested in the winter.
And bred lately for maximal weight in the minimum time, unfortunately.
The original development was for use, but these days its for sale.
Aristotle talked about the difference in the resulting objects.
Walter Bushell
Ye Old One <use...@mcsuk.net> wrote:
> On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 03:34:25 -0800 (PST), All-seeing-I
> <ap...@email.com> enriched this group when s/he wrote:
>
> >On Nov 20, 12:05�am, VoiceOfReason <papa_...@cybertown.com> wrote:
> >> All-seeing-I wrote:
> >> > Veggies give the human body exactly what they need and they do this at
> >> > the right times of the year.
> >>
> >> The hole was perfectly designed for the puddle of water that filled
> >> it.
> >>
> >> <snip>
> >
> >Do you always compare apples to grave yards?
>
> We often compare the space between your ears with the vacuum between
> the stars.
s/stars/local groups/
Ye Old One
<ap...@email.com> enriched this group when s/he wrote:
Sure does. I know two people still suffering because of its
withdrawal.
There are still a lot of people who would benefit from the return of
the drug.
>Og my. The list I could make.
>
>> What makes you think the dietary supplement companies in America care
>> about your health more than their profits? The FDA, imperfect as it is,
>> acts to protect you from some bad practices.
>>
>> > getting back to point of the OP. Many of the foods we eat are
>> > perfectly balanced and shows they were created just for us.
>>
>> Actually, very few of the foods we eat are perfectly balanced.
>
>Good. Because that was not my claim.
Lying arsehole! You words, still above, were "Many of the foods we eat
are perfectly balanced"
>
>
>>You have
>> to eat a varied diet to get all the necessary nutrients, and many foods
>> contain substances that are actually bad for you.
>
>many?
Actually, quite a lot. Certainly if eaten as too large a proportion of
the diet.
>
>> I see you have chosen not to respond to most of what I said. We eat less
>> than a tenth of a percent of all angiosperm species, and the ones we do
>> eat have been engineered -- by us, not god.- Hide quoted text -
>
>This changes the fact that cabbage and broccoli are best for humans in
>the winter while watermelon is best in summer, How?
Watermelon contains very little nutrient value. Stick to the other
two.
Now. if you want the wonder food of all time! Put chocolate high on
your list.
--
Bob.
You have not been charged for this lesson - learn from it rather than
continuing to make a fool of yourself.
heekster
<ap...@email.com> wrote:
Leave the Deliberte family out of this, schmuck.
>>
>>
>> > If the ancient traditions are accurate, then it was the angels that
>> > left their proper places, came to earth, taught man forbidden
>> > knowledge and the result is what we live with daily. Which is not a
>> > perfect earth as it once was.
>>
>> If the ancient traditions are right, Wodin hung on the tree for nine
>> days to gain wisdom, and gave up one eye for knowledge.
>>
>> And we grew out of Yggsdrasil like fruit from a tree. Get yer story
>> stright.
>>
>> > " And they began to sin against birds, and beasts, and reptiles, and
>> > fish, and to devour one another's flesh, and drink the blood. 6. Then
>> > the earth laid accusation against the lawless ones."
>>
>> No, it's all due to Ratatosk, the strife-making squirrel.
>>
>> Kermit- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
>
>You obviously failed Englist Lit. in high school and in college
You obviously, and interminably, fail.
Englist? As in, you englisted in Dumbasses of America?
You are truly pathetic.
heekster
wrote:
If it is, I want the name of the supervising rabbi.
Velo Ciraptorstein.
bpuharic
>Still waiting to hear exactly where disease came from. Don't cop out.
>Who exactly designed the germs?
but don't you know that creationism, for 2000 years, has had a cure
for all diseases?
you sacrifice a goat to appease the demons who control nature. because
we KNOW all of nature is controlled by magic...
Ye Old One
So, you are not aware that all those veggies you are talking about are
the products of man?
Wild cabbage is not much to eat, it has taken man, and a lot of
mutation, to produce the different brassica versions we see today.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wild_cabbage
You really want to look up the wild versions of things like carrots,
onions, beet, potatoes or any of the other vegetables you will find in
your local shops.
Walter Bushell
Desertphile <deser...@invalid-address.net> wrote:
>
> Jesus is the answer!
Let me guess the question.
"Who or what is the case of the pitiful plight of humanity?"
Don Cates
>
>> You still haven't looked up "pareidolia" or "Dunning-Kruger", have
>> you? Or maybe you have, and just won't acknowledge it.
>
> If he did, he'd only see what he wanted to, and be too stupid to
> realise it.
>
--
--
Don Cates ("he's a cunning rascal" PN)
Walter Bushell
bpuharic <wf...@comcast.net> wrote:
> good thing scientists discovered this, huh? creationists would have us
> sacrificing goats to appease angry gods to cure disease...just as they
> did 2000 years ago.
The additional protein and calories is good for increasing resistance to
a plague. So the sacrifice may be effective.
hersheyh
> In article <na2dg5tlhud4h78niorubco3s0fr7ll...@4ax.com>,
>
> bpuharic <w...@comcast.net> wrote:
> > good thing scientists discovered this, huh? creationists would have us
> > sacrificing goats to appease angry gods to cure disease...just as they
> > did 2000 years ago.
>
> The additional protein and calories is good for increasing resistance to
> a plague. So the sacrifice may be effective.
Only for the priests who demanded that sacrifice from their sheep.