Laos thorny issue - the jungle people.
Pao
It is small issue by the LPDR's perspective, as I was told by one Lao
official, but it is a real and thorny issue that will constantly and
repetitively prick Laos. Internationally, this is a humanitarian
issue - a big issue - that will have repercussion on wider issues
including foreign aids, tourism and more.
Please note that we are referring to the jungle people (also known as
'remote people' by the LPDR) who are Lao citizen and are living in
hiding in the high mountains of Laos - and they are seeking secure
ways to integrate into the current society of Laos.
Here is just some background information (not necessary in order of
importance) to study (before making any comment) :
1. Welcome to the Jungle: http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,447253,00.html
2. Former CIA Secret Army: http://www.rogerarnold.net/
3. Still a Secret War: http://www.digitaljournalist.org/issue0708/still-a-secret-war-part-ii.html
4. Still a Secret War - Video: http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=5mi68GYu64k
5. Bandits or Rebels: http://members.ozemail.com.au/~yeulee/Topical/bandis%20or%20rebels.html
6. THE HMONG REBELLION IN LAOS: Victims of Totalitarianism or
terrorists?
http://members.ozemail.com.au/~yeulee/Topical/Hmong%20rebellion%20in%20Laos.html
7. Hmong in Laos afraid to surrender
Fear of being killed remains the prime reason groups of Hmong
hilltribe people are still stuck in isolated pockets in Laos
unwilling, and in some cases, virtually unable to surrender - 33 years
after the Indochina war ended....
http://nationmultimedia.com/2008/01/23/opinion/opinion_30063121.php
8. When I visited Laos in 2006, this issue was brought up by some
senior members of the Neo Lao Sang Xat, and I made some suggestions as
follow:
"I suggest that the NLSX to consider these suggestions:
(i) To allow an independent delegation of various international
members to visit those alleged settlements of the remote people in
Phou Khout, Phonesavanh, Lat Huang and around Xiengkhouangville.
(ii) For NLSX to set up a "Special Committee" to canvass international
assistance to the settlement and rehabilitation of the remote people.
(iii) For the hardcore group, Laos will need the participation of the
international communities to solve the issue. Solutions would include
allowing these people to be resettled in other countries.
(iv) For the international communities, it is time to take a serious
look at this issue. Pressure need to be brought onto the LPDR and the
Phak to solve this problem at the earliest possible opportunity..."
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.hmong/msg/011cdb2ed52c0725
WHAT IS NEEDED TO SOLVE THIS THORNY ISSUE??
Pao
zhen
to be pioneers on mars? mars need colonies and pioneers. who are
better candidates than these 'remote people' or 'jungle people'? they
are die-hards, and i am sure, they will manage a resilient existence
on mars. not to mention, make history books, make discoveries,
establish territories/lands/nations, etc... hmong americans and in
first world countries can communicate to them to setup experiments and
send them payment in the form of water and food by way of the vang pao
space highways. it's a win-win situation for all of us, if you ask me.
oh, and if mars is too far off, the moon is a definite possibility. i
rather these people be 'remote people' of the moon or mars, 'internal
migrants' of the moon or mars. survival in the dust bowls of mars/moon
or jungles of communist killers.
besides, these people have said it themselves, 'save us or kill
us' (pab peb; yog tsis pab ces tso bomb tuaj rau peb).
is that radical enough of a response?
moob ces, xav tias nem yuav mus ua ua kas moos, tiam si, mus ua ua kas
tsaub xwb. tos lawv tias me nyuam tsaub yuav yog ntiaj teb tus cawv
seej os.
On Jan 25, 12:13 pm, Pao <drpao...@dex.hmoob.net> wrote:
> As Laos is trying to move on, but a real thorny issue remains.
> It is small issue by the LPDR's perspective, as I was told by one Lao
> official, but it is a real and thorny issue that will constantly and
> repetitively prick Laos. Internationally, this is a humanitarian
> issue - a big issue - that will have repercussion on wider issues
> including foreign aids, tourism and more.
>
> Please note that we are referring to the jungle people (also known as
> 'remote people' by the LPDR) who are Lao citizen and are living in
> hiding in the high mountains of Laos - and they are seeking secure
> ways to integrate into the current society of Laos.
>
> Here is just some background information (not necessary in order of
> importance) to study (before making any comment) :
>
> 1. Welcome to the Jungle:http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,447253,00.html
>
> 2. Former CIA Secret Army:http://www.rogerarnold.net/
>
> 3. Still a Secret War:http://www.digitaljournalist.org/issue0708/still-a-secret-war-part-ii...
> 4. Still a Secret War - Video:http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=5mi68GYu64k
>
> 5. Bandits or Rebels:http://members.ozemail.com.au/~yeulee/Topical/bandis%20or%20rebels.html
>
> 6. THE HMONG REBELLION IN LAOS: Victims of Totalitarianism or
> terrorists?http://members.ozemail.com.au/~yeulee/Topical/Hmong%20rebellion%20in%...
>
> 7. Hmong in Laos afraid to surrender
> Fear of being killed remains the prime reason groups of Hmong
> hilltribe people are still stuck in isolated pockets in Laos
> unwilling, and in some cases, virtually unable to surrender - 33 years
> after the Indochina war ended....http://nationmultimedia.com/2008/01/23/opinion/opinion_30063121.php
Cat
I really don't think it''s a good idea to continually call Hmong
people "dumb ass meo". It's fine to argue and disagree but i think
you discredit yourself by the words that you use. I know you hate
Hmong people but it's hard to read those words as a Hmong person.
saop...@gmail.com
555 cat you so sensitive nor 55555555555 how you feel? n how i feel
as i am communist you call bad name .
Cat
derogatory names and pointing out a regime and it's misdeed and
mistreatment of a people.
ເຄຣຊີ້ແລຣີ້
You used to call yourself HmongMeo didn't you? You god damned
hipocrit dumbass mother fucking Meo.
Your friend,
Larry
pebhmo...@yahoo.com
Larry
People always go bad thing first than do good before they die but you
do good first and do bad when you will die. Budah said do bad will
receive bad reward, your next life will be very bad like you say
dumbass larry fucking dirt. That's okay with me because your own
decision. Well bad luck to you next five generations dumbass Larry
fucking dirt.
ເຄຣຊີ້ແລຣີ້
pebhmoobr,
I vote you the second dumbestass Meo of the century. Bad luck for you
next ten generations dumbass pebhmoobr fucking dirty ass Meo.
Your friend,
Larry
Pao
Zhen,
Is that all you can say??
zhen
kuv tso dag xwb naj. yeej muaj tseeb li koj hais tiam si koj muab sau
rau hauv no tsis muaj qab hau dab tsi li naj. koj txawm sau sau kom
koj txog siav los yeej tsis muaj ib tug yuav ntxiv tau lus ntxiv tau
zog tig kom muaj kev ncaj ncees nawb. koj yim hais ntau ces yeeb ncuab
yim nrhuav ntau. qhov tseeb, koj twb mus txog kiag tim teb chaws los
tsuas koj twb mus nqa tsis tau pov thawj los thiab ned. yuav ua li
cas? yuav hais li cas? hmoob taug ntau txoj kev mus nrhiav txoj cai
lawm, kawg tias tsis muaj tus nom loj nom me quav ntsej hmoob txoj kev
txom nyem ua tib neeg nyob qab ntuj.
kuv xav kom koj hais tsawg zog los tsis txhob hais hais li lawm nawb.
zaum no ces kav tsij txhawb rab phom rau hmoob kom hmoob pab tau hmoob
tus kheej lawm xwb. hais me me li no xwb nyaj nej nkag siab lawm.
Born2beHmong
> dr. pao,
>
> kuv tso dag xwb naj. yeej muaj tseeb li koj hais tiam si koj muab sau
> rau hauv no tsis muaj qab hau dab tsi li naj. koj txawm sau sau kom
> koj txog siav los yeej tsis muaj ib tug yuav ntxiv tau lus ntxiv tau
> zog tig kom muaj kev ncaj ncees nawb. koj yim hais ntau ces yeeb ncuab
> yim nrhuav ntau. qhov tseeb, koj twb mus txog kiag tim teb chaws los
> tsuas koj twb mus nqa tsis tau pov thawj los thiab ned. yuav ua li
> cas? yuav hais li cas? hmoob taug ntau txoj kev mus nrhiav txoj cai
> lawm, kawg tias tsis muaj tus nom loj nom me quav ntsej hmoob txoj kev
> txom nyem ua tib neeg nyob qab ntuj.
>
> kuv xav kom koj hais tsawg zog los tsis txhob hais hais li lawm nawb.
> zaum no ces kav tsij txhawb rab phom rau hmoob kom hmoob pab tau hmoob
> tus kheej lawm xwb. hais me me li no xwb nyaj nej nkag siab lawm.
>
Hzen,
koj mas...yus twb hais tsi yog lus lawm los, cias li lees zoo zoo xwb
es txhob tshum ub tshum no li no--ua zoo li no ces yeej hais tsi muaj
hnub kawg li os mog. peb hmoob ces thaum yus poob lus lawm los, lam
keb ub kev no li no ces txawm koj yuav tham mus txog kiag ntuj los nws
yeej nrhiav tej lub niag tswv8 nqia nqia neeg coj los hais ub hais no,
kom txhob muaj qab muaj haus li xwb.....peb tsi muaj principle li no
ces, tsawg tiam los--kawg tag hauv ris aws.
nyob li Dr Pao Oz, txawm yuav hais nws cov lus li no los yeej yog lus
kawg kiag lawm--peb yuav tau muaj cov ua very extreme, cov nyob hauv
middle, thiab cov ua very compassion thiab...es peb yuav ua ib yam
dabtsi los, ib tug rub ib sab es thiaj li muaj qhov phem nrog qhov
zoo--thaum kawg, peb thiaj li sib kho los ua txoj kev haumxeeb nyob
nruab nrab rau ob tog es thiaj li yuav zoo tau thiab wammeej rau peb
haivneeg pob.
yog li tseg kiag txhob "Tshum ...Tshum..." lawm thiab nawb...LOL!
Born2beMhong.......real Mhong Men
All4One
everywhere in SCH meo this and meo that to no ends. It's becoming a
nuisance. Callign Hmong name online seems like it's never enough for
you?! May I suggest one simple option to settle your hatred of Hmong.
Since koj hated hmong so much...why don't koj thiab kuv wb mus hunting
in the woods in some remote place...pick weapon of your choice and
lets head out to the woods. One Hmong went "missing" is your
gain...one less Larry the clown, is SCH gain? What say you?
jim
> Larry- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
pebcov...@yahoo.com
> It is small issue by the LPDR's perspective, as I was told by one Lao
> official, but it is a real and thorny issue that will constantly and
> repetitively prick Laos. Internationally, this is a humanitarian
> issue - a big issue - that will have repercussion on wider issues
> including foreign aids, tourism and more.
>
> Please note that we are referring to the jungle people (also known as
> 'remote people' by the LPDR) who are Lao citizen and are living in
> hiding in the high mountains of Laos - and they are seeking secure
> ways to integrate into the current society of Laos.
>
> Here is just some background information (not necessary in order of
> importance) to study (before making any comment) :
>
> 1. Welcome to the Jungle:http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,447253,00.html
>
> 2. Former CIA Secret Army:http://www.rogerarnold.net/
>
> 4. Still a Secret War - Video:http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=5mi68GYu64k
>
> 5. Bandits or Rebels:http://members.ozemail.com.au/~yeulee/Topical/bandis%20or%20rebels.html
>
> 6. THE HMONG REBELLION IN LAOS: Victims of Totalitarianism or
>
> 7. Hmong in Laos afraid to surrender
> Fear of being killed remains the prime reason groups of Hmong
> hilltribe people are still stuck in isolated pockets in Laos
> unwilling, and in some cases, virtually unable to surrender - 33 years
>
> 8. When I visited Laos in 2006, this issue was brought up by some
> senior members of the Neo Lao Sang Xat, and I made some suggestions as
> follow:
> "I suggest that the NLSX to consider these suggestions:
>
> (i) To allow an independent delegation of various international
> members to visit those alleged settlements of the remote people in
> Phou Khout, Phonesavanh, Lat Huang and around Xiengkhouangville.
> (ii) For NLSX to set up a "Special Committee" to canvass international
> assistance to the settlement and rehabilitation of the remote people.
> (iii) For the hardcore group, Laos will need the participation of the
> international communities to solve the issue. Solutions would include
> allowing these people to be resettled in other countries.
>
> (iv) For the international communities, it is time to take a serious
> look at this issue. Pressure need to be brought onto the LPDR and the
> Phak to solve this problem at the earliest possible opportunity..."http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.hmong/msg/011cdb2ed52c0725
>
> WHAT IS NEEDED TO SOLVE THIS THORNY ISSUE??
>
> Pao
zhen yog koj xav paub txog dr. Pao lub tswv yim koj mus nyeem tau yawg
cov lus hauv qab no.
Pao
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> they just line up to be shot and get it over with? This is more
> dumbass Meo quote just like the one that said, "We would rather die in
> Thailand prison than be returned to Laos." So, let them be, some
> people you just can't help them from harming themselves.
>
> A dumber Meo who saw the free housing and clean water supply nof Palak
> village and complained of having to share spoons. How ungrateful?
>
> Your friend,
> Larry
Lary, my dear friend...
Clean water? Let me tell you about clean water... in Melbourne,
Australia, we have clean water, we drink from the tap. But in Pha
Lak, the Lao official bring their own water bottle - why would they
drink the same water as the Pha Lak settlers? Would you drink the
same water as the Pha Lak people? If you do not believe me, you can
check dkj photo!
http://www.flickr.com/photos/phalak/2217866915/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/phalak/2218657788/
But no bottle water here:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/phalak/2218649410/
Would you be CRAZY enough to share a spoon with the a dumber Meo or
the good Hmong of Pha Lak? Who would be CRAZY enough to share with?
http://www.flickr.com/photos/phalak/2217807261/
Pao
people issue remains as a thorny issue for Laos- regardless.
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.laos/msg/dca53815533a3a57
Pao
Moobsib
Koj puas to taub tias ib sim neej Zhen hlob los ua ib tug Hmoob es
hauv nws tsev mus thoob plaws haiv neeg Hmoob nws yeej xauj tsi pom
tus txha nqajqaum uas yuav nws yuav los txhawb thiab pab kom Hmoob
ciaj taus haiv li ne. Yog li mas Zhen thiaj lib join thiab ncaws tag
phaab tag pheev tuaj mus ov.
Kuv yeej agree li Zhen hais saum toj no lawm thiab. Tej lus uas hais
los yuav tsi muaj paj thiab txiv ces tsis tas yuav hais lawm. Yog yuav
hais los hais through the proper channels xwb thiaj muaj nqis thiab
muaj zog.
Ceevfaj, Zhen mus muab tau phom thaum twg ces peb dov dev nrho lawg
xwb mas.. hahahahahaha...
ms
Zoo...@gmail.com
>
> - Show quoted text -
Larry - you are not worth to even spit on. Go bark somewhere else
where you might get a bit of shit thrown at you for your great effort.
ZN
Cov npawg sawvdaws,
Ua cas peb pheej tsis tuav tswv yim es txhua zaus ib tug twg post dab
tsi tag ces sawvdaws tsuas khaws sib ceg xwb nas Hmoob? Ntshai peb
lam nkim peb niam peb txiv tsum mov xwb laud cov yawg. Tab txawm peb
qhov political agenda yuav yog dab sti los xij, kuv xav hais tias peb
yuav tau xam txog peb cov kwvtij Hmoob coob-x uas tseem nyob tim Laos
thiab. Muaj tseeb hais tias muaj ib co yeej khiav nkaum hav zoov
thiab raug raws tua li tsiaj tiag. Tiam sis peb tshuav cov uas yeej
niaj hnub nyob ywj pheej raws li peb ib txwm nyob los lawm thiab - vij
yog lam nyob kuj tau thiab los yog. Peb yuav tau balance 2 qho issues
no es nrhiav kom muaj chaw mus rau peb ob pab Hmoob nyob tid tib si.
Kuv tus kheej los tseem muaj neeg nyob tim Laos thiab lawv kuj tsis
tau tau zoo li Masliskas teb laud tiam sis kuj tseem nrhiav tau noj
tau haus hnub dhau hnub raws li cov paxasone sawvdaws thiab.
Ntawm cov uas tseem nyob hav zoov hav txeeg, kuv fully support hais
tias kom nrhiav kev daws lawv teeb meem li Dr. Pao hais ntawd. Yuav
tsum muaj ib lub International Delegation to oversee and monitor their
surrender and process their settlement in a new country or even Laos,
if that is their choice - America is not necessarily the ideal choice
for everyone nawb cov npawg. Kuv kiag los thaum twg retired ces tseem
yuav khiav rov mus nyob Laos los Thailand thiab. Yog teb chaws Laos
thaj yeeb mas yeej xav nyob Laos xwb ntag.
ZN
Zoo
> Larry
Communist have been known to fuck not just his/her mother but the
entire family...
ລາວຮັກລາວ
As I had said many times in SCL even ten years ago, if you can't beat PDR government militarily WHY FIGHT???
Even if we employ every available Hmong and Laonok oversea to fight and die in vein on our side, even then
( under this optimistic model)we can't still beat them. We can't continue to do this business as usual.
Status quo won't work. Can we stay on the same course? Off course, not. I do not think it is good idea
to do what we are doing now and have been doing for almost thirty some years.
Then, what alternative solution we may have to look for? Do we have EXIT STRATEGY?
This question should have been in the mindof Hmong leaders.
@ It is about time to lay down your weapon and start looking at your motherland in optimistic way,
@Try to negotiate and work with the current authority,
@try to be law-biding citizen and become productive citizen.
Please, understand... Your struggle is UNWINNABLE...
You do more harm than good to the country.....
If you continue what you are doing now PDR government can EXTERMINATE your people..
Hakpeng, Laohaklao1954
Pao
"WHAT IS NEEDED TO SOLVE THIS THORNY ISSUE?? "
That is MORE POSITIVE than any one has done here. There is nothing
negative to seek for SOLUTION!
If you have any SOLUTION, put it forward or carry on.. I am only the
messenger here. The information is presented as IT IS - by the
respective authors who stand up for their own reports. Each reader
here has to go and consult the available information AND any other
information that available to them... then GO AHEAD to do whatever to
SOLVE this problem IF he/she so desires.
On 29 January 2007, at the USLAOSNC Forum, yong chanthalangsy has
posted this reply:
<Dear Friends,
This issue of Hmong is thorny only for those who want to make it up
and try to highjack this issue, make it up and try to make money out
of it.
For us this issue is a non issue and we are doing our job on our way
and will never allow any bad element to exploit the issue and
manipulate the poor people.
You may wish to take a look in the following link.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/phalak/
Sok dee >
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/USLAOSNC/message/5622
SO... ລາວຮັກລາວ... how do you comment on Yong's input?
As far as your suggestions, I have taken note of ecery points of your
input and I have seen many Hmong have done exactly as you has
suggested.
So... what is NEXT?
ຄົນບ້ານສີເມືອງ
Ai Dr. Pao,
People trying to do best but you just seat in front of your computer
in Australia keep on complain and raise problems from toe to head
never satisfy with any thing, why don't you stop a second and think
just a little positive way to make you feel better, you are most
welcome to Ban Pha Lak to see with your two eyes how do they live over
there, I kbsm assure you all facility to Ban Pha Lak OK ?
Hak Phaeng
kbsm.
Pao
wrote:
kbsm,
The positive question is HOW TO SOLVE THIS ISSUE? Is that not poitive
by you? You tell me.The positive is the 5-point ptoposal of the
Laonork to the Neo Lao Sag xat in 2006 that NO ONE of you in Laos has
made any resposne to it... WHY is that/ IS THAT JUST A PIECE OF CRAP
OR WHAT!.. kBSM, YOU ANSWER ME... IF THAT IS NOT POSSITIVE SUGGESTION
TO BUILD THE FOUNDATION FOR THE FUTURE,... IF THAT PROPOSAOL ID WONG,
THEN SAY SO...AND PROPOSE A new ONE:
http://www.lexicon.net/~lis01085/lao/visit/tmp/laonork.pdf
Is that ptoposay NEGATIVE, or what?
I did not just complaint on my seat as you suggested. This is wrong on
your part... I am sorry to say that.
I simply give my feed back which is legitimate and true as you can see
on the photo and the video that you may too blind to see yourself. I
have nothing to gain, no money making, not making it complicate, not
hijacking it any way but you and your Laonai team are making it hard
for yourself - hence it noe remains as thorny issue for you - not for
me. I am very comfortable in Australia and I could thing of all the
leisure activities that I can spend my time instead of wasting time to
post here to share my opinion on this issue - may be because I still
care enough about Laos and the Lao people.
It would be easy just to cut off completely from Laos!
Sure I am planing to come to visit Laos soon as part of another
delegation (if it get off the ground) , I am sure that these issues
will be on the table and that the delegate will certainly wanting to
visit that settlement.
The jungle people was a real issue that the members of Neo Lao Sang
Xat (who has DIRECT dealing with the Xaysomboun campaign and they know
what they are talking about because the number of people of died
during that campaign) raised the issue to me - Furthermore, I have
been brief fully on the issue of the remote peopIe from the official
and non-official line while I was in Loas, I think that I have enough
understanding of this complex issue. Even I know enough about the
issue, I never spoke of it when I was in Vientiane... you must
understand that. The issue was RAISE TO ME and I have no choice but to
gave my response which is not to your liking... but it was just my
opinion. You can either consider my opinion or dump it - simple is
that.
As far as the reference i posted, those authors are independent people
and I did not, or have any relationship or any collaboration with any
of them. I donot belong to any organisation. If you consider that
their writing is false, you can take on them... why target me! Read Dr
Gary Yia Lee most recent article - that is a scholar article. Hence,
I consider some of you here are too paranoid and simply just not
dislike me, because I donot speak your language and because I just let
you know of some of your flaw inn your public relation exercise. is
that right. But everything I said has some validity and perhaps you
just cannot bear to accept it when your blundrer surface- every ome
make mistakes and over the last 30 years, you know who make more
mistake - laonai or laoanork!.
The truth will be the truth so, you and I and every one else would
have nothing to fear. But it is yet too early to pass judgment as God
has not yet pass any judgment on any of you as yet so what right do
you have to pass judgment on me or any oner else around here that you
do not like!
If there is no fire, there should not be any smoke coming out! You
are smart enough to understand that.
Lastly, just rememberer the story of the 7 blind men trying to
describe the elephant. You see from your angle and you can swear that
you are right... but are you realy right? I doi not believe so. want
I see from my angle, I can prove that I am right as well... but what
you and I see, does it represent the entire elephant - NO no. Why not
switch place and see what u can see muy position and what I can see
from your position.
We are smart enough to do that now... instead of hanging outself with
out fixed view. I am a realist and you acnnot take it, just ignore
it.
More later
ps. Natrudy cannot remember you... can you tell her some clue... ru
Kaiyasith or in that group.
Moobsib
ms
tseemyeej
When I saw KBSM said the funding was from part of his income taxe, I
don't think anybody is talking about reality here. Is LPDR serious
about dealing with Hmong in the jungle? Who knows? Maybe it is just a
way to get funding?
Not so long ago, I have seen a lady who came from MouangCha to ask for
help from relatives. She begged them to arrange a ceremony (Tso plig)
for her family. Fearing the authority, no one dared doing so, just
because this family was recently out of Phoubia. Her husband got
shot in the head and the son strucked by a drunk driver, none of them
died of natural cause.
So pity of her, the best I can do was a small contribution which might
help and wiping my tears away, that's all I can do.
TseemYeej.
ຄົນບ້ານສີເມືອງ
Ai Pao
Yeah we still have some differences, as you have said regarding the
story of the seven blind men trying to describe the elephant,
hopefully it will not to be parallel for ever.
ps. I am not Kayasith we are very close friend and we are in the
same band, I am quitar man Kayasith is drumer, and I am also one of
Dong Dok Basketball Team, and I am not Prasith Sayasith if Natrudy has
English Section Student Year Book sure she can find out. She may ask
Khanthong Bakkam, she knows I am the who ride Harley Davidson.
ລາວຮັກລາວ
On 29 January 2007, at the USLAOSNC Forum, yong chanthalangsy has posted this reply: <Dear Friends, This issue of Hmong is thorny only for those who want to make it up and try to highjack this issue, make it up and try to make money out of it. For us this issue is a non issue and we are doing our job on our way and will never allow any bad element to exploit the issue and manipulate the poor people.
that does not mean I agree with Mr. Young's and DKJ's statement 100%. Please, don't read me wrong. Some times, these people
are completely BIAS and do not understand our issues and our concerns. Dr . Pao, most politicians have to
look forward into a future. But that is not what happened here. That is not the case. Remember DKJ posted
the battle of Nam Bak on SCL few days ago.. What that post suggested you? What is the PDR government's intention?.
When should Laos have NATIONAL RECOCILIATION even though the war had passed thirty some years?
I do honestly believe that either some high ranking PDR government officials-the inner circle in office of the prime minister-
overlook at this issue or lack of clear understanding how important this issue is for the well-being of our nation.
In other words, they are not VERY SERIOUS about this thorny issue...unless they (PDR government) have political
pressure from world communities. you need: POLITICAL SOLUTION.
What do we do and where do we go from here?
If they can't hear your message, US congress would be in better position to send them a message.......
Just my thought..... Peace brother peace....Laohaklao1954
tee...@hotmail.com
I have a thorny issue that I would like you to clarify. Save your
concern about the human rights of Hmong in the jungle, do you have
concern about the human rights of women?
In both Laos and Australia, bigamy is a crime. It is a crime because
it violates basic human rights in marriage. It appears that you have
no qualm violating these basic human rights.
What do you think the international community ought to do to protect
the basic human rights of women?
If you feel that the human rights of women are not worth protecting,
then what would you think the international community ought to take
your position on the rights of Hmong in the jungle?
In my view, a person who takes on such issue as Hmong in the jungle
ought to have as prerequisite moral fortitude and forthrightness. So
far Laos and the internal community have paid no heed to the cause of
Hmong in the jungle because the people who raise the issue are
themselves violators of human rights.
I do not see how Laos would take your advice. I certainly would not
take advice from questionable people..
Teev
zhen
thaum mus ua qhov loj yus twb poob qhov me lawm ces luag yuav txo yus
lub hwj chim no. thaum kawg, yus tus hmoob rov qab ncaws yus xwb.
the question is, would LPDR listen to someone with moral fortitude and
forthrightness such as teev? teev, tej zaum cov nplog liab no tseem
tig ntsej me ntsis rau cov human rights violators dua cov ncaj ncees
li koj pob? hahahahahha. by the way, how's the internal migrant
strategy coming along? did you find a 'legal' way to integrate the
'jungle people' back?
thanouxay
Well said. I wish to add on another offense committed by those
protected and promoted by Pao and that is: those guys used and are
using the women and kids as hostage for their crime. Those poor women
and kids were forced to live like animals to provide those bandits
with foot, care and joy.
But the Lao Government had declared that they are welcomed at any
moment and will be assisted to reintegrate the mainstream of Lao multi-
ethnic society.
Sok dee
brushoff
>
> - Show quoted text -
Well said cocker sucker, show us the ducuments.
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> On Jan 26, 4:48 am, "ເຄຣຊີ້ແລຣີ້" <larrype...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jan 25, 12:40 pm, zhen <shiyi.l...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > how about we just ask the international community to send these people
> > > to be pioneers on mars? mars need colonies and pioneers. who are
> > > better candidates than these 'remote people' or 'jungle people'? they
> > > are die-hards, and i am sure, they will manage a resilient existence
> > > on mars. not to mention, make history books, make discoveries,
> > > establish territories/lands/nations, etc... hmong americans and in
> > > first world countries can communicate to them to setup experiments and
> > village and complained of having to share spoons. How ungrateful?
>
> > Your friend,
> > Larry
>
> Lary, my dear friend...
>
> Australia, we have cleanwater, we drink from the tap. But in Pha
> Lak, the Lao official bring their ownwaterbottle- why would they
> drink the samewateras the Pha Lak settlers? Would you drink the
> samewateras the Pha Lak people? If you do not believe me, you can
> check dkj photo!http://www.flickr.com/photos/phalak/2217866915/http://www.flickr.com/photos/phalak/2218657788/
>
>
> Would you be CRAZY enough to share a spoon with the a dumber Meo or
>
> - Show quoted text -
OMG! How did I missed this?
Pao, Pao, Pao... Buk Pao. You need to give that certificate back
son. You don't deserve that medical certificate if you think that
bottle water is any cleaner than the well water.
Anyways, that's irrelevant. The LPDR provided shelter, food and clean
water supply via the new well as anyone can see in the photos. The
ball is in your court to show what your side has done towards peaceful
coexistance and you come back whining about not having enough spoon,
one missing shoe, leaky faucet and now, not having bottle water.
Who is being unreal and unreasonable here? You sir are insulting the
intelligence of your fellow smart Hmongs. You have nothing to offer.
You are a hindrance to their cause.
Your friend,
Larry
thanouxay
As it is well known that ccountants only see figures and they are lost
in details. In this case, the Dr. had been trying hard to find out a
crack but there is none therefore, he is trying to pinpoint on those
details to tell the world that the Lao Government is bad and cause
shoeless, spoonless and tape water from the mountain to the villagers
while they drink bottlede water etc...
Let him be ridiculous and lets learn how to live with it and let
continue to work for the betterment of everybody including those
people in Phalak. I will continue to visit them and try to make their
life easier day by day within our capacity and lets time decides who
is doing good and who is doing bad.
I do understand that Pao is not happy to see more and more Hmong
joining our programme.
Sok dee
> > check dkj photo!http://www.flickr.com/photos/phalak/2217866915/http://www.flickr.com/...
>
> > But nobottlewaterhere:http://www.flickr.com/photos/phalak/2218649410/
>
> > Would you be CRAZY enough to share a spoon with the a dumber Meo or
> > the good Hmong of Pha Lak? Who would be CRAZY enough to share with?http://www.flickr.com/photos/phalak/2217807261/-Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> OMG! How did I missed this?
>
> Pao, Pao, Pao... Buk Pao. You need to give that certificate back
> son. You don't deserve that medical certificate if you think that
> bottle water is any cleaner than the well water.
>
> Anyways, that's irrelevant. The LPDR provided shelter, food and clean
> water supply via the new well as anyone can see in the photos. The
> ball is in your court to show what your side has done towards peaceful
> coexistance and you come back whining about not having enough spoon,
> one missing shoe, leaky faucet and now, not having bottle water.
>
> Who is being unreal and unreasonable here? You sir are insulting the
> intelligence of your fellow smart Hmongs. You have nothing to offer.
> You are a hindrance to their cause.
>
> Your friend,
> Larry- Hide quoted text -
Pao
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > OMG! How did I missed this?
>
> > Pao, Pao, Pao... Buk Pao. You need to give that certificate back
> > son. You don't deserve that medical certificate if you think that
> > bottle water is any cleaner than the well water.
>
> > Anyways, that's irrelevant. The LPDR provided shelter, food and clean
> > water supply via the new well as anyone can see in the photos. The
> > ball is in your court to show what your side has done towards peaceful
> > coexistance and you come back whining about not having enough spoon,
> > one missing shoe, leaky faucet and now, not having bottle water.
>
> > Who is being unreal and unreasonable here? You sir are insulting the
> > intelligence of your fellow smart Hmongs. You have nothing to offer.
> > You are a hindrance to their cause.
>
> > Your friend,
> > Larry- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
INCREDIBLE!!! Thanouxay, you make my day!
Thanouxay having Crazy Larry at his corner!!! That speaks for
itself...more than any words can describe THIS Thanouxay credential
and credibility! (mind you, there are more than one person have known
to use the Thanouxay alias... but if this is the real Yong (which I
hope not), then, it is a real worry for Laos).
No need to say anything more.
Pao
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>
> > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > OMG! How did I missed this?
>
> > > Pao, Pao, Pao... Buk Pao. You need to give that certificate back
> > > son. You don't deserve that medical certificate if you think that
> > > bottle water is any cleaner than the well water.
>
> > > Anyways, that's irrelevant. The LPDR provided shelter, food and clean
> > > water supply via the new well as anyone can see in the photos. The
> > > ball is in your court to show what your side has done towards peaceful
> > > coexistance and you come back whining about not having enough spoon,
> > > one missing shoe, leaky faucet and now, not having bottle water.
>
> > > Who is being unreal and unreasonable here? You sir are insulting the
> > > intelligence of your fellow smart Hmongs. You have nothing to offer.
> > > You are a hindrance to their cause.
>
> > > Your friend,
> > > Larry- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> INCREDIBLE!!! Thanouxay, you make my day!
>
> Thanouxay having Crazy Larry at his corner!!! That speaks for
> itself...more than any words can describe THIS Thanouxay credential
> and credibility! (mind you, there are more than one person have known
> to use the Thanouxay alias... but if this is the real Yong (which I
> hope not), then, it is a real worry for Laos).
>
> No need to say anything more.
>
>
> - Show quoted text -
It is crystal clear, you have nothing to rebut me and your have
nothing to offer your fellow Hmongs. You denide that they are doing
better in Phalak than in the jungle?
Thanouxay, according to Pao, all you have to do is give everyone
bottled water and all will be dandy. Pao won't have anything to
complain about after that because that's all he wanted for the Hmong
returnees. Forget that the returnees now have roof over their heads,
food on the table, clean water to drink and a place to grow vegetables
and a place to fish and hunt. Oh yes, and school for their children.
Looks like they even have tractors to plow the fields and satelite TV
to watch. Hmmmm maybe, just maybe they are better off running around
in the jungle or perhaps they are better off in the hands of the Thais
huh?
If your relatives were among the ones running around in the jungle or
among the returnees of Phalak, which you rather have for them?
Pao, the ball is ini your court, it has been for the past 32 years,
what have you done ith it?
Your friend,
Larry
Pao
So... Larry Crazy is now team up with Thanouxay... is this your new
tag team?
Why do you brother to respond? I thought Thanouxay is capable to
defend himself? Or is this mean that Thanouxay and larry Crazy is the
SAME person?
Regardless what, Thanouxay and Larry Carzy is in the same corner,
fending for each other.. that is said all what can be said. A person
like Thanouxay, by having some crazy people around him, even speaking
on his behalf and Thanouxay supporting the crazy larry.... well, is
this the current state of Laos?
Say no more...
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>On Feb 14, 2:30 am, "ເຄຣຊີ້ແລຣີ້" <larrype...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> > INCREDIBLE!!! Thanouxay, you make my day!
>> > Thanouxay having Crazy Larry at his corner!!! That speaks for
>> > itself...more than any words can describe THIS Thanouxay credential
>> > and credibility! (mind you, there are more than one person have known
>> > to use the Thanouxay alias... but if this is the real Yong (which I
>> > hope not), then, it is a real worry for Laos).
>> > No need to say anything more.
>> > Pao
>> It is crystal clear, you have nothing to rebut me and your have
>> Your friend,
>> Larry
>Say no more...
Pao,
Many people simplify their perception of others by categorizing
everyone as "one of us" or "one of them." Since they may have trouble
understanding viewpoints other than their own, very often they confuse
the identities of those with whom they disagree (in the latter group)
and assimilate them all into a single sort of metaperson or bogeyman.
It may also console them to think that only one person is behind all
the personalities with whom they disagree, since the alternative would
be to acknowledge that there are more such people than they might like
to believe.
Once again, you have nothing for a rebuttal because you know that
everything I said above is true. You have nothing to offer your
fellow Laotians be they Hmong or other ethnics. You have many
complaints, but no contributions. You cheer separation and preach
against unity. You sir are thin, shallow and hollow. It is plain and
crystal clear, you have nothing to offer except a stick to prod and
poke the people in the jungle to fight and sacrifice their families
for your entertainment. You are the lowest of the low, you know not
of their suffering and yet you want to prolong it. You let them do
your fighting for you while you sit. poke and cheer them on in the
safety of your living room. If you care for them, you would erge them
to come out and assimulate like their fellow Hmongs and all other
ethnics in Laos. Go ahead dodge the truth all you want, smart people
can see right through you.
Your friend,
Larry
Pao
>
> > read more »- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
>
> Many people simplify their perception of others by categorizing
> everyone as "one of us" or "one of them." Since they may have trouble
> understanding viewpoints other than their own, very often they confuse
> the identities of those with whom they disagree (in the latter group)
> and assimilate them all into a single sort of metaperson or bogeyman.
> It may also console them to think that only one person is behind all
> the personalities with whom they disagree, since the alternative would
> be to acknowledge that there are more such people than they might like
> to believe.
>
> Once again, you have nothing for a rebuttal because you know that
> everything I said above is true. You have nothing to offer your
> fellow Laotians be they Hmong or other ethnics. You have many
> against unity. You sir are thin shallow and hollow. It is plain and
> crystal clear, you have nothing offer except a stick to prod and poke
> the people in the jungle to fight and sacrifice their families for
> your entertainment. You are the lowest of the low, you know not of
> truth all you want, smart people can see right through you.
>
> Your friend,
> Larry
Why pass judgment now?
YOU are not God... even GOD does not pass judgment on any one yet!
But it you want to stay crazy, that is your choice but your craziness
that not require any other people assistance.
Tham dee dai dee, tham sua dai sua. Kam sanong kam... so said the
karma. Hence, there is no need to be concern about what I said, did or
do not do. I will be rewarded accrodingly.
For you, Just look into your heart, look at your own hand to see that
it is soil with! and you know in your heart what is install for you.
I will do what I can, with what I have, from where I am. Just let time
prove everything if you live long enough to see that!
Pao
ເຄຣຊີ້ແລຣີ້
The Lao Government went to receive the returnees from the hands of the
Thais and brought them back to Laos in air conditioned buses. They
have built housing for these returnees. The returnees now have roof
over their heads, food on the table, clean water to drink and a place
to grow vegetables and a place to fish and hunt. Oh yes, and school
for their children. Looks like they even have tractors to plow the
fields and satelite TV
to watch.
If your relatives were among the ones running around in the jungle, or
in the hands of the Thais or among the returnees of Phalak, which
would you rather have for them?
You have complained about one missing shoe, one dripping faucet,
having to share spoons and having to drink from a brand new well
instead of getting bottled water. Pao, the ball is in your court, it
has been for the past 32 years, what have you done with it?
Simple questions that you have yet to answer. You have been doging
left and right, but you have yet to anser them. The truth is plain
and clear. The Lao Government have been doing positive things and you
have been complaining.
Your friend,
Larry
Tshaj...@gmail.com
Cov niag tsov tom deev niam ntawm nej ko es cas nej pheej tsis ntseeg
tias, yuav uacas thiaj muab tau peb cov tom havzoov los kom tau nrog
peb no es nej pheej yuav hais ub hais no, thiab niam sau ntawv suav ua
tug niag txhavqhi peb tsis paub tias nej sau puas yog los nej lam kos
rau xwb no nas. Sawvdaws ua ib lub siab mus hais kom muab lawv tuaj
tim no losyog tias coj lawv los kom muaj UN pab es los tau xwb los
pob!, cas pheej yuav hais ub hais no li???????
Pao
Larry,
Stop barking!
If you want something done by me, just open that damn settlement to
outsider.
I can bring in assistance from outside - but this is is the pre-
requiste (nothing is free):
1. A Delegation of Neutral parties (choosing at my discretion with
consultation with the Lao Ministry of Foreign Affairs and/or Committee
of Externakl Relation of the Lao Communist Party)) to be allowed to
travel by road into the Phalak settlement within the next 4 weeks -
dated from today.
2. That delegation will investigate WHAT is NEEDED in that settlement
and will publicise the villagers' needs at SCL/SCH and elsewhere.
3. A responsible program can be initiated and funded by non-Laonai
parties to meet the need of the new settlers, based on the report of
(2).
4. The assisted program (including spoons of course and more) to be
administered jointly by the Lao authority AND a selected NEUTRAL
parties (may =be UN, various Western Embassies, or even some NGO)
PLUS member of the Laonork communities.
5. A progress report (every 3 months or less) will be followed up and
be made available publically.
The ball in back on your court Carzy Larry/Thanouxay.
Pao
Phi Dung Mo
You have been told that the settlement is open to anybody, several
times. Don't you feel that you can go anywhere in Laos without special
treatment or considerations?
You talk a good talk but is that a ..., no it can't be, ... a crescendo
of trumpets? Yes, a crescendo of trumpets blaring loudly!
Phi Dung Mo
"Pao" <drpa...@dex.hmoob.net> wrote in message
news:ccb343bb-caef-46da...@e6g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
Pao
> Dr. Pao,
> You have been told that the settlement is open to anybody, several
> times. Don't you feel that you can go anywhere in Laos without special
> treatment or considerations?
>
> You talk a good talk but is that a ..., no it can't be, ... a crescendo
> of trumpets? Yes, a crescendo of trumpets blaring loudly!
>
> Phi Dung Mo
>
The rubber is on the road now..
You just have to wait to see if it get anywhere because the ball is at
Crazy Larry/Thanouxay court!
Phi Dung Mo, are willing to be part part of the Ban Phalak project. Or
can you get your Canandian Embassy in VT to be part of our delegation
to Ban Phalak... so that it is well represented... and so that the
report that come out later is credible. Or if you wanted, why not
join us in person?
A delegation is in being formed in Laos right now to go to Ban Phalak
as soon as Crazy Larry/Thanouxay can give us the official OK.
Any one else in SCL and SCH, wanting to join this project in any shape
or form, by attending personally, or by nominating a reptesentative of
your choice or by donating time, energy, money or any kind to Ban
Phalak project, please posted your interset here or to me - as per my
email here.
Crazy Larry/Thanouxay... let do the doing and stop the barking.
Pao
Born2beHmong
You cannot pretend for not to know about this back stab intellectual
mind sets of LPDR, because you had not lived in fear like me as yet.
As for me, I had lived through those thick jungles for many years and
then escaped on foot to camps in Thailand as a teen. It is very
devastating to see this camp call Ban Phalak, as it is isolation in
the midst of the jungle in nowhere to reach the inner city. If Yong
and the Laonai are really want to make this whole repatriation work,
won't they had relocated these people within the city and/or within
the norm of the rest of Lao citizens. However, to put these newly
repatriation people on isolation remote area as this, is for easy
target and eliminates as whenever they can. These people were having
relatives and families were still living side-by-side in the country,
and then why moved them to a remote area as this. This is very
similarity to an reeducation camp, as for seminar and heavily
concentration of focusing to annihilate when the world is not
watching. If this is truly as LPDR so called them as citizens of Lao
and need to be relocated back to its country. Why would the LPDR let
them go freely as its citizens where they may choose to live and farm.
This seem as the LPDR was hosting a group of foreigner that their
status are as refugees, such that they had to live in group and in
camp, for easily control and manipulating its population.
And, this is merely speaking on the already returnees from Thailand to
Laos, and not as-yet discuss about the people that still lived in the
jungle.
Teev,
I too believe that when we discussed issue at the blink of the eyes,
it is more substance than the normal routine of mistress that goes on
all over the world and/or nations. If you were going to pick piece by
piece as your logic, there is nowhere you can find a perfect country
or human being. Again, needless to remind that we are all human and we
all are making mistakes, but we can take the best subjective and make
correction of our mistakes and that is what we are discussing about
the Hmong returnees at Ban Phalak and the Hmong that still lived in
the jungle. To make and corrective action and the best course that
both Laonai and Laonork can live with it, as to achieve both of our
dreams and harmony into the future. We all need an end closure to
this past, and start a new beginning for the country of Laos, so both
of Laonai and Laonork can go sleep with a happy smile.
Smiles...
Born2beMhong
Pao
wrote:
Then you must be Mr. Simangk---- Ma--et then.
Nice to have caught up with you.
I did not meet you when you were down in melbourne or when you were in
Canberra.
Pao
ເຄຣຊີ້ແລຣີ້
Born2beMhong,
Youm say that you have lived in the jungle and have seen more than I
have, for this your words have more weight than mine.
I will attempt to tell your my point of view. I only know what I have
seen in the news, read in the papers and in a few sites SCL and SCH
being among them. From what I have read and from what I have seen,
and many young Lao (Hmong, Mien or whatever ethnic) see similar to
what I have seen. We see that Laos was bombed back into the stone age,
despite that, the LPDR government has managed to keep Laos together as
a country. The LPDR government has progressed along at a pace that is
expected of a small country with limited resources and manpower, for a
country that for most of the 32 years since the "WAR" have been kept
in isolation by outside and inside forces. For what they had to work
with, I think they did a decent job.
I also see that there are various little groups here and there trying
to undermind their efforts, by means of misinformation, terristic
attacks and propaganda.
I also see many people holding grudges and seek to discredit and
undermind the progress of Laos at every opportunity. Mostly I see and
read of accusations that have yet to be proven, and then there are
ridiculous complaints about one missing shoe, one dripping faucet,
having to share spoons and having to drink from a brand new well
instead of getting bottled water. I don't see any real issues or
contributions from these people, nothing tangible.
So, from what I have seen so far, I can only come to one conclusion,
these dogs are just barking while real work to progress the country
and keep the country together are being done only by the Lao
government.
I'm willing to see the light, but so far I haven't yet been shown the
light. The only glimmer of light as is coming from the Lao
government. They seem to be doing something positive.
Your friend,
Larry
ເຄຣຊີ້ແລຣີ້
>
> Crazy Larry/Thanouxay... let do the doing and stop the barking.
>
> Pao
Pao,
The Lao Government have been doing something, many things for the
Hmongs og Phalak and for Laos as a country. You need to stop barking
at rediculous, meaningless little details.
You barked about one missing shoe. You barked about one dripping
faucet. You barked about having to share spoons. You barked about
having to drink from a brand new well and not getting bottled water.
So, stop barking like a mad dog and start doing something.
Your friend,
Larry
Pao
Stop barking!
Here... Deal or NO deal....
If you want something done by me, just open that damn settlement to
outsider.
I can bring in assistance from outside - but this is is the pre-
requiste (nothing is free):
1. A Delegation of Neutral parties (choosing at my discretion with
consultation with the Lao Ministry of Foreign Affairs and/or Committee
of Externakl Relation of the Lao Communist Party)) to be allowed to
travel by road into the Phalak settlement within the next 4 weeks -
dated from today.
2. That delegation will investigate WHAT is NEEDED in that settlement
and will publicise the villagers' needs at SCL/SCH and elsewhere.
3. A responsible program can be initiated and funded by non-Laonai
parties to meet the need of the new settlers, based on the report of
(2).
4. The assisted program (including spoons of course and more) to be
administered jointly by the Lao authority AND a selected NEUTRAL
parties (may =be UN, various Western Embassies, or even some NGO)
PLUS member of the Laonork communities.
5. A progress report (every 3 months or less) will be followed up and
be made available publically.
The ball in back on your court Carzy Larry/Thanouxay.
Pao
Pao
Stop barking!
DEAL or NO deal???
If you want something done by me, just open that damn settlement to
outsider.
I can bring in assistance from outside - but this is is the pre-
requiste (nothing is free):
1. A Delegation of Neutral parties (choosing at my discretion with
consultation with the Lao Ministry of Foreign Affairs and/or Committee
of External Relation of the Lao Communist Party)) to be allowed to
travel by road into the Phalak settlement within the next 4 weeks -
dated from today.
2. That delegation will investigate WHAT is NEEDED in that settlement
and will publicise the villagers' needs at SCL/SCH and elsewhere.
3. A responsible program can be initiated and funded by non-Laonai
parties to meet the need of the new settlers, based on the report of
(2).
4. The assisted program (including spoons of course and more) to be
administered jointly by the Lao authority AND a selected NEUTRAL
parties (may =be UN, various Western Embassies, or even some NGO)
PLUS member of the Laonork communities.
5. A progress report (every 3 months or less) will be followed up and
be made available publically.
The ball in back on your court Carzy Larry/Thanouxay.
Pao
Phi Dung Mo
Are you just plain stupid? No, that is too simple. You are just clearly
indicating that you don't want to do anything by demanding that which is
already available in free access to Ban Phalak. As for your other demands,
what government are you? Who are you? Why do you think you are special? Just
makes you look "special" in a whole other manner.
By the way, there is no Canadian Embassy in Laos! But those
representatives of our government that look after Canadian affairs in the
region certainly are less demanding than your calls for special VIP
treatment and concessions.
Phi Dung Mo
"Pao" <drpa...@dex.hmoob.net> wrote in message
news:0dc35c90-b2ce-4908...@41g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
ເຄຣຊີ້ແລຣີ້
> Larry,
> Stop barking!
Ummmm, I think it is plain that you are fuming at the mouth barking
like a mad dog.
>
> DEAL or NO deal???
I can't speak for the Lao Government, if I could I would say, "No
Deal!"
>
> If you want something done by me, just open that damn settlement to
> outsider.
I just want you to stop barking like a mad dog about one missing
shoe. I want you to stop barking about one dripping faucet. I want
you to stop barking about having to share spoons and I want you to
stop barking about having to drink from a brand new well and not
gettig bottled water. Other than that, I don't want anything from
you.
> I can bring in assistance from outside - but this is is the pre-
No you can't if you could why would you not help these people?
> requiste (nothing is free):
Ah, that's where you are wrong:
1. The air conditioned buses to receive the returnees from the Thais
were free.
2. The shlters at Phalak are free.
3. The food at Phalak are free.
4. The clean drinking water from a brand new well at Phalak is free.
5. The plots to plant vegetable at Phalak are free.
6. The forests, rivers and streams around Phalak for hunting and
fishing are free.
7. The school for the children at Phalak is free.
8. The two tractors for plowing the fild at Phalak are free.
9. The satelite and TV at Phalak are free.
All courtesy of Lao government.
>
> 1. A Delegation of Neutral parties (choosing at my discretion with
> consultation with the Lao Ministry of Foreign Affairs and/or Committee
> of External Relation of the Lao Communist Party)) to be allowed to
> travel by road into the Phalak settlement within the next 4 weeks -
> dated from today.
Your delegation aren't feeding anybody.
> 2. That delegation will investigate WHAT is NEEDED in that settlement
> and will publicise the villagers' needs at SCL/SCH and elsewhere.
>
Your delegation wont investigate anything.
> 3. A responsible program can be initiated and funded by non-Laonai
> parties to meet the need of the new settlers, based on the report of
> (2).
A resposible program is already in place, administered by th Lao
Government.
>
> 4. The assisted program (including spoons of course and more) to be
> administered jointly by the Lao authority AND a selected NEUTRAL
> parties (may =be UN, various Western Embassies, or even some NGO)
> PLUS member of the Laonork communities.
The Lao Government are quite capable of administering these programs
all on their own.
> 5. A progress report (every 3 months or less) will be followed up and
> be made available publically.
>
A picture is worth a thousand words andDKJ has provided plenty of
pictures.
> The ball in back on your court Carzy Larry/Thanouxay.
>
> Pao
>
Right... There's an old song and it goes like this, "Whoa, whoa
WHOA! What have you done for me lately?" The Lao Government has done
planty, you on the other hand...
Your friend,
Larry
Pao
Larry...You are nothing...as I expected... toothless... just barking
away... when it comes to the real crunch, these barkers just shriver
into space.
As for Phi Dung Mo, you are either be part of the solution here or you
can choose stay at Crazy Larry corner with THAT Thanouxay.
As we speak now, a team is being assembled in Vientiane and as soon as
the team members are finalized, we will make direct approach to the
concerned Lao authority to grant a visit as soon as practical.
ຄົນບ້ານສີເມືອງ...don't be surprise if one of my team knock at your
door.. Are you available to escort the visiting team to Ban Phalak in
the next few weeks? The visit will be totally funded by the Non-
laonai.
IF the visit is permitted by the Lao authority, then, you people will
never see the Phalak Hmong sharing spoon ever again!
Any one who is not prepare to walk their talk, just make way!
Pao
thanouxay
Who requested you to brieng those assistance??? As far as we are
concern, we do have all capacity and means to do the job by ourself
and I do not need your help in Phalak.
You seem to invite yourself and are arrogant enough to impose a pre-
requisite condition... Who ask you anything, Pao??? I do not recall
requesting anything from you.
Sok dee
laopeop...@yahoo.com
Does the Lao proverb, " pun bor earn, toh yah kanh.....pun bor vanh,
toh ya soy," ring a bell, here?
> > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
Pao
Thanouxay. You just take care of your business and let us do what we
can. That is fair, isn't it?
Pao
> > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
thanouxay
Our Dr. is further more arrogant... Lets see who is overseeing Phalak
and look after its development.
I would not even foolow-up his arrogant statement.
Sok dee
On Feb 15, 3:44 pm, Pao <drpao...@dex.hmoob.net> wrote:
> The welfare and well being of the people of Ban Phalak is beyond you,Thanouxay. You just take care of your business and let us do what we
> can. That is fair, isn't it?
>
> Pao
>
thanouxay
This is typically the type of self invitation in order to interfere in
other affairs. It is amazing to note how this dear Dr. is so arrogant.
But he will come to notice that who is really the real owner of the
country. Let him run his show.
Sok dee
On Feb 15, 3:05 pm, laopeoplesa...@yahoo.com wrote:
> thanouxay,
>
> Does the Lao proverb, " pun bor earn, toh yah kanh.....pun bor vanh,
> toh ya soy," ring a bell, here?
>
Pao
Don't be too quick to point your finger at me because there are THREE
fingers pointing at you at the same time.If I am arrogance, you are
three times more arrogance than me, do you know that?
Helping the less fortunate people is the right thing to do, isn't it?
Even just one more spoon, or one more shoes... if that will make
people feel love, accepted and belonging... then it is the right thing
to do.
Thanouxay, who ever you may be (as there is more than Yong using this
screen name - unless Yong has multiple persnality, including one Hmong
personality, able to read and post in Hmong as well!!), I simply said
to you, with the greatest respect, that YOU do your job (as a Laonai
who control Ban Phlak), and let me do my job as a Laonork. Is that NOT
fair?
What is so arrogant about that?
Was it NOT true that the welfare and well being of those people in Ban
Phalak is beyond this Thanouxay?.
You may have control over the development of Ban Phalak but NO ONE has
the ultimate power over the lives of those people - even GOD still
does NOT possess that power! God still gives the power of choice to
the people. Buddha gives the power choice to the people - do as you
wish and you shall reap what you sow... that is what God said, isn't
it? Buddha gives the power to the people and conclude that, go ahead,
leading your own life but "tham dee dai, tha sua dai suua... kam
sanong nkam.."
At the end, it is really up to what each person in Ban Phalak decide
to do. Victor Frankl, the Austrian Psyhiatrist, who survived the Nazi
concentration camp concluded in his book, "Man Search for Meaning"
that you can control the person, take everything away from that person
but that person "free spirit" live on inside him and will guides that
person toward what/where his/her free spirits pointed to. People will
graviate toward where their free spirit can soar, they will go where
there is love and acceptance.
So, what is so arrogant about making a statement that the welfare and
well being of the Ban Phalak people is beyond this Thanouxay - or are
you suggesting that the welfare and the life of the peole of Ban
Phalak in IN YOUR HANDS? If their lives are in THanouxay's hands then
it would be true to say that I was too arrogance because I do not
recognise that fact - the fact that Thanouxay is more than God?
bUT.. what's that has to do with this arrogance stuff any way?
Pao
Born2beHmong
Larry,
If we were speaking about life in the jungle and fear of LPDR tactics,
then my words would have more weight than you, but if we would to
speak of different of opinion and what is the best corrective action
that can bring all of us closer together, then you and I should have
equally weight. Because both of us were speaking from each individual
experience and belief, as how we perceive this human issue is going to
be. However, no one sure would have the magic answer, but we all are
wanting to be the best of the both world, so Laos can easily move on
into the century and we all can sleep quietly into night with a smile
on our faces.
It is our best interested to seek to a workable solution and a better
solution for all the citizens of Laos. We all want to work hard to
enrich and develop Laos into the next Hong Kong or Taiwan, because we
have the human resources all over the world as well as the Chinese.
Laos citizens were spreading across the globe as a result of this war,
and then after 30 years, there were many who were gaining the
knowledge, expertise, skills and education to take Laos to the next
level. The natural resources of Laos are very limited, we need to
uphold as much as we can for the future generation--and ease the
tension among both Laonai and Laonork, so many of us can reestablish
business and/or retired in Laos (the land of our birth places).
LPDR had done so much to its citizens, except that we want this issue
as the Ban Phalak and others Laos citizens that go back, to settle and
live as a decent Lao citizen in Laos. In my point of view and greatly
concern regard to the current group that are now lived in Ban Phalak,
as they were putting there in a camp, as a group of foreigner that
their status are as refugees, for easily control and watch. Their
future go nowhere and they are living in a constant fear, as someone
is watching over your shadow every second that you move. Living in an
isolation and remote location as this, it feels like prisoner because
you will never know when you will be picked up and gone for good. If
you were ever lived inside those camps in Thailand, then this would be
a very similarity if you were to place in a remote and isolation place
as this Ban Phalak camp. It could have been called a Phalak
reeducation or seminar Camp instead, if both you and I would to agree
upon this name-calling. Therefore, the so call that the LPDR who said
she loves her citizens is willing to take them back home as in deny
and that was what I had pointed out to you to see.
I understand that both you and I would love to ensure the safety,
bring in something positive and an enclosure to the past and move on
with a better life for the country of Laos.
More next time, it's long enough for now.
Born2beMhong
ctj
courtesy of an “official” invitation. No one expects the red carpet
treatment. As a matter of fact, the last time that I was in Laos and was
being escorted by Laotian officials, my party paid for everything. Their
hotels, their meals, their travels, ect. Furthermore, no one wants to
disappear like the three men who allegedly crossed over the Friendship
Bridge six months ago.
Even the Canadians, as Phi Dung Mo stated, “who have no embassy in
Laos”, must go through the proper channels; they simply just wouldn’t
show up.
The Phalak Village concept is not new. In the U.S. it is call a
“reservation.” A fenceless prison designed to control people. The
Native Americans who were placed in these reservations lost several
generations due to lack of upward mobility. But at least they are allowed
to self govern.
Phi dung Mo, if it is true that you live in Canada, and then you must
enjoy the freedom that country affords to you. Why would you subject
another human to confinement? What have these people done to you and why
are they such a threat to you?
Some of you have retracted your open invitation to visit Phalak and now
ask, “What business is this of yours and who asked for your help?” The
answer is, “It is our business and it is not only our right but our duty
to stop acts unbecoming of human. Perhaps had someone stepped-in, the
killing fields of Dong Ma Kai, a place where thousand of Laotians were
murdered by their own brothers, may not have occurred.”
It appears that all the bravado may be nothing more then empty chest
thumping. When it comes right down to it, your hand is being called and I
see a fold in the making.
One last thing, I don’t believe that this is the real Thanouxay
responding to these messages. It is hard to conceive that a diplomat can
be that childish or make so many freshman mistakes. If I was the real
Thanouxay I would put a leash on some of these people before they do
anymore damage. Their attempts to be smart have turned them into nothing
short of smart-alecky. This is the Internet, who knows who’s reading
these posts.
Chong
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adi...@yahoo.com
Dr. Pao,
What a pethetic reason you have with Thanouxay. It is OK Dr. Pao, you
only shamed yourself here. If you would take my advice, please unto
your own damage here before it's too late. Next time do the reserve,
show Thanouxay and Yong your walk instead of your talk. You feel free
not to take my advice. However, this time is free but next time will
cost a lot.
Thanouxay, as a big man like you, it is not hurt nor bad for you if
you may pardon Dr. Pao for his careless attempt to show his diplomatic
triumph for Phalak. I know you see the bigger picture in Laos than
just the little treasure in Phalak.
ເຄຣຊີ້ແລຣີ້
Pao, I'll give you two advices, two very good advices. Advice number
1, learn to be humble. Advice number 2, when you are in a hole, stop
digging. I'll give you one more advice; I further advise you to take
my first two advices.
Heck, I feel like giving today. I'm in a giving mood. I'll give you
yet one more advice. Learn to work together instead of trying to be
the "THORN". Stop trying to make a "THORNY ISSUE" out of insignicant
things and start seeing the big picture. So what if the lady lost a
shoe, so what if one faucet is dripping, so what we have to share our
spoons, so what if we have to drink from a well. The lady still has
two healthy legs to walk on, the dripping faucet will be fixed, next
month we'll get spoons, the well water is nice, clean, cold and
refreshing. It is good to be alive and full at the end of the day.
Doctor Pao, I personally invite you to work with the powers that be
for the betterment of our people, yours and mine, the Lao people of
all ethnics.
My advices above to you are free dear doctor. You see, in life there
are things that are free and given from a warm heart with love.
You friend,
Larry
Pao
How can you suddenly turn a "A dumber Meo " into your friend?
Talking about being humble, do you ever look into the mirror Larry?
and Thanouxay?
I may not be a humble person but I invite you to Australia and you can
ask every Laonork in Australia to see how rough or how humble I am.
If you cannot get a visa to Australia, please let me know, i may even
able to arrange something to assist.
Larry, look into the mirror and have the sanity to see who you are in
this forum. Name calling... a "A dumber Meo ".heye? If I not a humble
person, and a patient man, you are not worth any second of my time!
Secondly, if you have cannot stand the heat, get out of the kitchen!
Everything, i said her, I stand by it. And all I said here will stand
the test of time. This is totally different from YOU Larry/Thanouxay
who just BARKING but not having the gut to reveal your true self!!!
That says a lot about such person. Barking but no GUT! Barking and NOT
wanting to be accountable to what you said! ... a "A dumber Meo "
heye... hey... hey... a "A dumber Meo "???
For every one information, as we speak now, a team of Laonork and
Laonai is being assembled in Vientiane to obtain permission from the
proper authority to visit Ban Phalak. This would be the first ever
neutral party trying to visit that settlement. The rubber is on the
road now... the ball is rolling. Soon we will know if that Laonork/
Laonai team (of some prominent members of Laonork and Laonai - me not
included in that team if any one is so concern) is able to visit Ban
Phalak or not - what ever the outcome, I am sure you will hear more in
SCH/SCL.
Meanwhile, just remember what I refer to Dr Victor Frankl, the
Austrian Psyhiatrist, said in his book, "Man Search for Meaning" - a
must read for all.
SO>>> Larry/Thanouxay, if you have no authority to grant permission
for the Laonork/Laonai team to visit Ban Phalak, then please stand
aside - that is all you are asked to do. If you have to the authority
to grant a visit, then...stop talking, just be sure and prepare that
the visiting Laonork/Laonai team is on the way to knock at your door
soon.
Regards to all,
Pao
On Feb 16, 7:35 am, "ເຄຣຊີ້ແລຣີ້" <larrype...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Feb 15, 5:50 am, Pao <drpao...@dex.hmoob.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Thanouxay, talking about arrogance!!
> > Don't be too quick to point your finger at me because there are THREE
> > fingers pointing at you at the same time.If I am arrogance, you are
> > three times more arrogance than me, do you know that?
>
> > Helping the less fortunate people is the right thing to do, isn't it?
> > Even just one more spoon, or one more shoes... if that will make
> > people feel love, accepted and belonging... then it is the right thing
> > to do.
>
> > Thanouxay, who ever you may be (as there is more than Yong using this
> > screen name - unless Yong has multiple persnality, including one Hmong
> > personality, able to read and post in Hmong as well!!), I simply said
> > to you, with the greatest respect, that YOU do your job (as a Laonai
> > who control Ban Phlak), and let me do my job as a Laonork. Is that NOT
> > fair?
>
> > What is so arrogant about that?
> > Was it NOT true that the welfare and well being of those people in Ban
> >Phalakis beyond this Thanouxay?.
> > You may have control over the development of BanPhalakbut NO ONE has
> > the ultimate power over the lives of those people - even GOD still
> > does NOT possess that power! God still gives the power of choice to
> > the people. Buddha gives the power choice to the people - do as you
> > wish and you shall reap what you sow... that is what God said, isn't
> > it? Buddha gives the power to the people and conclude that, go ahead,
> > leading your own life but "tham dee dai, tha sua dai suua... kam
> > sanong nkam.."
>
> > At the end, it is really up to what each person in BanPhalakdecide
> > to do. Victor Frankl, the Austrian Psyhiatrist, who survived the Nazi
> > concentration camp concluded in his book, "Man Search for Meaning"
> > that you can control the person, take everything away from that person
> > but that person "freespirit" live on inside him and will guides that
> > person toward what/where his/herfreespirits pointed to. People will
> > graviate toward where theirfreespirit can soar, they will go where
> > there is love and acceptance.
>
> > So, what is so arrogant about making a statement that the welfare and
> > well being of the BanPhalakpeople is beyond this Thanouxay - or are
> > you suggesting that the welfare and the life of the peole of Ban
> >Phalakin IN YOUR HANDS? If their lives are in THanouxay's hands then
> > it would be true to say that I was too arrogance because I do not
> > recognise that fact - the fact that Thanouxay is more than God?
>
> > bUT.. what's that has to do with this arrogance stuff any way?
>
> > Pao
>
> > On Feb 15, 8:12 pm, thanouxay <thanou...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > Dear all,
> > > Our Dr. is further more arrogant... Lets see who is overseeingPhalak
> > > and look after its development.
> > > I would not even foolow-up his arrogant statement.
> > > Sok dee
>
> > > On Feb 15, 3:44 pm, Pao <drpao...@dex.hmoob.net> wrote:
>
> > > > The welfare and well being of the people of BanPhalakis beyond you,Thanouxay. You just take care of your business and let us do what we
> > > > can. That is fair, isn't it?
>
> > > > Pao
>
> > > > On Feb 15, 6:20 pm,thanouxay<thanou...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > Pao,
> > > > > Who requested you to brieng those assistance??? As far as we are
> > > > > concern, we do have all capacity and means to do the job by ourself
> > > > > and I do not need your help inPhalak.
> > > > > You seem to invite yourself and are arrogant enough to impose a pre-
> > > > > requisite condition... Who ask you anything, Pao??? I do not recall
> > > > > requesting anything from you.
> > > > > Sok dee
>
> > > > > On Feb 15, 9:22 am, Pao <drpao...@dex.hmoob.net> wrote:
>
> > > > > > Larry,
> > > > > > Stop barking!
> > > > > > Here... Deal or NO deal....
>
> > > > > > If you want something done by me, just open that damn settlement to
> > > > > > outsider.
> > > > > > I can bring in assistance from outside - but this is is the pre-
> > > > > > requiste (nothing isfree):
>
> > > > > > 1. A Delegation of Neutral parties (choosing at my discretion with
> > > > > > consultation with the Lao Ministry of Foreign Affairs and/or Committee
> > > > > > of Externakl Relation of the Lao Communist Party)) to be allowed to
> > > > > > travel by road into thePhalaksettlement within the next 4 weeks -
> > > > > > dated from today.
> > > > > > 2. That delegation will investigate WHAT is NEEDED in that settlement
> > > > > > and will publicise the villagers' needs at SCL/SCH and elsewhere.
>
> > > > > > 3. A responsible program can be initiated and funded by non-Laonai
> > > > > > parties to meet the need of the new settlers, based on the report of
> > > > > > (2).
>
> > > > > > 4. The assisted program (including spoons of course and more) to be
> > > > > > administered jointly by the Lao authority AND a selected NEUTRAL
> > > > > > parties (may =be UN, various Western Embassies, or even some NGO)
> > > > > > PLUS member of the Laonork communities.
> > > > > > 5. A progress report (every 3 months or less) will be followed up and
> > > > > > be made available publically.
>
> > > > > > The ball in back on your court Carzy Larry/Thanouxay.
>
> > > > > > Pao
>
> > > > > > On Feb 15, 12:11 pm, "ເຄຣຊີ້ແລຣີ້" <larrype...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > On Feb 14, 1:50 am, Pao <drpao...@dex.hmoob.net> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > Crazy Larry/Thanouxay... let do the doing and stop the barking.
>
> > > > > > > > Pao
>
> > > > > > > Pao,
>
> > > > > > > The Lao Government have been doing something, many things for the
>
> > > > > > Hmongs ogPhalakand for Laos as a country. You need to stop barking
> My advices above to you arefreedear doctor. You see, in life there
> are things that arefreeand given from a warm heart with love.
>
> You friend,
> Larry
Pao
One just has to do all one can - and one should in accordance to one's
conviction - that is all.
No more , no less - as long as what one does is done with a good
heart, good cetana and aiming to benefit the people in the long
run....When the right time present itself, Newton first law is there
to be applied!
Pao
On Feb 16, 6:43 am, adin...@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Feb 15, 6:50 am, Pao <drpao...@dex.hmoob.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Thanouxay, talking about arrogance!!
> > Don't be too quick to point your finger at me because there are THREE
> > fingers pointing at you at the same time.If I am arrogance, you are
> > three times more arrogance than me, do you know that?
>
> > Helping the less fortunate people is the right thing to do, isn't it?
> > Even just one more spoon, or one more shoes... if that will make
> > people feel love, accepted and belonging... then it is the right thing
> > to do.
>
> > Thanouxay, who ever you may be (as there is more than Yong using this
> > screen name - unless Yong has multiple persnality, including one Hmong
> > personality, able to read and post in Hmong as well!!), I simply said
> > to you, with the greatest respect, that YOU do your job (as a Laonai
> > who control Ban Phlak), and let me do my job as a Laonork. Is that NOT
> > fair?
>
> > What is so arrogant about that?
> > Was it NOT true that the welfare and well being of those people in Ban
> >Phalakis beyond this Thanouxay?.
> > You may have control over the development of BanPhalakbut NO ONE has
> > the ultimate power over the lives of those people - even GOD still
> > does NOT possess that power! God still gives the power of choice to
> > the people. Buddha gives the power choice to the people - do as you
> > wish and you shall reap what you sow... that is what God said, isn't
> > it? Buddha gives the power to the people and conclude that, go ahead,
> > leading your own life but "tham dee dai, tha sua dai suua... kam
> > sanong nkam.."
>
> > At the end, it is really up to what each person in BanPhalakdecide
> > to do. Victor Frankl, the Austrian Psyhiatrist, who survived the Nazi
> > concentration camp concluded in his book, "Man Search for Meaning"
> > that you can control the person, take everything away from that person
> > but that person "freespirit" live on inside him and will guides that
> > person toward what/where his/herfreespirits pointed to. People will
> > graviate toward where theirfreespirit can soar, they will go where
> > there is love and acceptance.
>
> > So, what is so arrogant about making a statement that the welfare and
> > well being of the BanPhalakpeople is beyond this Thanouxay - or are
> > you suggesting that the welfare and the life of the peole of Ban
> >Phalakin IN YOUR HANDS? If their lives are in THanouxay's hands then
> > it would be true to say that I was too arrogance because I do not
> > recognise that fact - the fact that Thanouxay is more than God?
>
> > bUT.. what's that has to do with this arrogance stuff any way?
>
> > Pao
>
> > On Feb 15, 8:12 pm, thanouxay <thanou...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > Dear all,
> > > Our Dr. is further more arrogant... Lets see who is overseeingPhalak
> > > and look after its development.
> > > I would not even foolow-up his arrogant statement.
> > > Sok dee
>
> > > On Feb 15, 3:44 pm, Pao <drpao...@dex.hmoob.net> wrote:
>
> > > > The welfare and well being of the people of BanPhalakis beyond you,Thanouxay. You just take care of your business and let us do what we
> > > > can. That is fair, isn't it?
>
> > > > Pao
>
> > > > On Feb 15, 6:20 pm,thanouxay<thanou...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > Pao,
> > > > > Who requested you to brieng those assistance??? As far as we are
> > > > > concern, we do have all capacity and means to do the job by ourself
> > > > > and I do not need your help inPhalak.
> > > > > You seem to invite yourself and are arrogant enough to impose a pre-
> > > > > requisite condition... Who ask you anything, Pao??? I do not recall
> > > > > requesting anything from you.
> > > > > Sok dee
>
> > > > > On Feb 15, 9:22 am, Pao <drpao...@dex.hmoob.net> wrote:
>
> > > > > > Larry,
> > > > > > Stop barking!
> > > > > > Here... Deal or NO deal....
>
> > > > > > If you want something done by me, just open that damn settlement to
> > > > > > outsider.
> > > > > > I can bring in assistance from outside - but this is is the pre-
> > > > > > requiste (nothing isfree):
>
> > > > > > 1. A Delegation of Neutral parties (choosing at my discretion with
> > > > > > consultation with the Lao Ministry of Foreign Affairs and/or Committee
> > > > > > of Externakl Relation of the Lao Communist Party)) to be allowed to
> > > > > > travel by road into thePhalaksettlement within the next 4 weeks -
> > > > > > dated from today.
> > > > > > 2. That delegation will investigate WHAT is NEEDED in that settlement
> > > > > > and will publicise the villagers' needs at SCL/SCH and elsewhere.
>
> > > > > > 3. A responsible program can be initiated and funded by non-Laonai
> > > > > > parties to meet the need of the new settlers, based on the report of
> > > > > > (2).
>
> > > > > > 4. The assisted program (including spoons of course and more) to be
> > > > > > administered jointly by the Lao authority AND a selected NEUTRAL
> > > > > > parties (may =be UN, various Western Embassies, or even some NGO)
> > > > > > PLUS member of the Laonork communities.
> > > > > > 5. A progress report (every 3 months or less) will be followed up and
> > > > > > be made available publically.
>
> > > > > > The ball in back on your court Carzy Larry/Thanouxay.
>
> > > > > > Pao
>
> > > > > > On Feb 15, 12:11 pm, "ເຄຣຊີ້ແລຣີ້" <larrype...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > On Feb 14, 1:50 am, Pao <drpao...@dex.hmoob.net> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > Crazy Larry/Thanouxay... let do the doing and stop the barking.
>
> > > > > > > > Pao
>
> > > > > > > Pao,
>
> > > > > > > The Lao Government have been doing something, many things for the
> > > > > > > Hmongs ogPhalakand for Laos as a country. You need to stop barking
> > > > > > > at rediculous, meaningless little details.
>
> > > > > > > You barked about one missing shoe. You barked about one dripping
> > > > > > > faucet. You barked about having to share spoons. You barked about
> > > > > > > having to drink from a brand new well and not getting bottled water.
> > > > > > > So, stop barking like a mad dog and start doing something.
>
> > > > > > > Your friend,
> > > > > > > Larry- Hide quoted text -
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> Dr. Pao,
>
> What a pethetic reason you have with Thanouxay. It is OK Dr. Pao, you
> only shamed yourself here. If you would take my advice, please unto
> your own damage here before it's too late. Next time do the reserve,
> show Thanouxay and Yong your walk instead of your talk. You feelfree
> not to take my advice. However, this time isfreebut next time will
> cost a lot.
>
> Thanouxay, as a big man like you, it is not hurt nor bad for you if
> you may pardon Dr. Pao for his careless attempt to show his diplomatic
> triumph forPhalak. I know you see the bigger picture in Laos than
Phi Dung Mo
You have no premise because you can not show any confinement. End of
argument! You can imagine all you want but until you can show proof of
anything untoward you are just being silly. Who has retracted the invitation
to visit Ban Phalak? Only the parties extending the invtiation can revoke it
and I definitely have never read any retraction nor indications that Ba
Phalak is not freely open to the public including Dr. Pao. So you are making
up silly arguments and issues.
Dr. Pao, is just an official arrogant pain in the ass. Do you think that
Dr. Pao will ever see another official invite after his last trip? He
stabbed himself in the back after that trip. Bitch, bitch, bitch and
complain about one faulty faucet. Oh and complaints about offical protcol
whne it was he that chose to accompany a foreign government official, thus
demanding certain protocols and restrictions.
While the invitation sought may be simple official invite, the demand
for concessions is certainly seeking special treatment and consideration. He
is asking for those concessions and demands before he is even willing to go
to visit Ban Phalak. He asks for more than any government or UN organization
would demand nor expect prior to any official visit or establishment of any
issue/problem.
(What are those goofy characters in your text (â? interspersed here and
there) , quotation marks? If so then you are misusing them, I never said
"who have no embassy in Laos". If you quote me, then actually quote me
properly, don't make up things that I didn't say, in words I didn't use.)
Phi Dung Mo
"ctj" <ch...@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:dabf2ef5023b6b7f...@localhost.talkaboutculture.com...
> What Dr. Pao is asking for is not â?ospecialâ?ť treatment but rather the
> courtesy of an â?oofficialâ?ť invitation. No one expects the red carpet
> treatment. As a matter of fact, the last time that I was in Laos and was
> being escorted by Laotian officials, my party paid for everything. Their
> hotels, their meals, their travels, ect. Furthermore, no one wants to
> disappear like the three men who allegedly crossed over the Friendship
> Bridge six months ago.
>
> Even the Canadians, as Phi Dung Mo stated, â?owho have no embassy in
> Laosâ?ť, must go through the proper channels; they simply just wouldnâ?Tt
> show up.
>
> The Phalak Village concept is not new. In the U.S. it is call a
> â?oreservation.â?ť A fenceless prison designed to control people. The
> Native Americans who were placed in these reservations lost several
> generations due to lack of upward mobility. But at least they are allowed
> to self govern.
>
> Phi dung Mo, if it is true that you live in Canada, and then you must
> enjoy the freedom that country affords to you. Why would you subject
> another human to confinement? What have these people done to you and why
> are they such a threat to you?
>
> Some of you have retracted your open invitation to visit Phalak and now
> ask, â?oWhat business is this of yours and who asked for your help?â?ť The
> answer is, â?oIt is our business and it is not only our right but our duty
> to stop acts unbecoming of human. Perhaps had someone stepped-in, the
> killing fields of Dong Ma Kai, a place where thousand of Laotians were
> murdered by their own brothers, may not have occurred.â?ť
>
> It appears that all the bravado may be nothing more then empty chest
> thumping. When it comes right down to it, your hand is being called and I
> see a fold in the making.
>
> One last thing, I donâ?Tt believe that this is the real Thanouxay
> responding to these messages. It is hard to conceive that a diplomat can
> be that childish or make so many freshman mistakes. If I was the real
> Thanouxay I would put a leash on some of these people before they do
> anymore damage. Their attempts to be smart have turned them into nothing
> short of smart-alecky. This is the Internet, who knows whoâ?Ts reading
> these posts.
>
>
> Chong
ctj
Please accept my sincere apology for having prematurely concluded that an
open invitation to visit the Phalak Village might have been taken of the
table. I am delight to hear from you that anyone can freely visit this
settlement. I will heed your advice and make a simple official request for
a small delegation to visit the settlement with no strings attached and no
demands for any concessions on the LPDR. Please advice me as to whom I
need to contact to expedite this matter through the proper channels.
brushoff
Scary Larry, what are you barking about? I'm here to kick ass for fun
as far as LRPD I don't give a shit, go home and be in the jungle, boy.
brushoff
Yes I hpe you do look after all of the innocents were forced or gone
to other countries for prositutions, fucking idiot.......
Pao
And I do not believe that THIS Thanouxay (WHO POSTED HERE)is Yong...
because Yong was too busy in China with the Lao Foreign Minister. So,
who ever posted as THIS THANOUXAY is not Yong!
Pao
On Feb 16, 6:43 am, adin...@yahoo.com wrote:
> just the little treasure in Phalak.- Hide quoted text -
ເຄຣຊີ້ແລຣີ້
Errrrr. Pardon me my dear doctor posting from the outback while
hunting croc, THANOUXAY's posted FROM CHINA!
210.82.33.20
210.82.33.16 - 210.82.33.31
3R Soft co. ,Beijing city
北京斯利尔软件有限ࠤ
Jane J
Beijing,China
+86-10-88093588
+86-10-88091446
ja...@3rsoft.com.cn
Can't handle the truth? That IS how THANOUXAY feels about you.
Your friend,
Larry
ເຄຣຊີ້ແລຣີ້
>
> - Show quoted text -
Born2beHmong,
You are a very smart person and very reaonable. You have your doubts
as well as I have mine and I can respect that. You are smart enough
to see thru the gabage and reallize that both you and I have a common
goal and that is to see peace in Laos for Laotianes of all ethnics.
Let's do our best to help Laos achieve that goal.
Your friend,
Larry
Phi Dung Mo
If Yong is in China, then this is Yong just as Larry has also pointed
out. The post originates in Beijing China.
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Phi Dung Mo"Pao" <drpa...@dex.hmoob.net> wrote in message
news:99aa8ca1-c32c-4719...@s13g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
tee...@hotmail.com
Unfortunately, a man such as Dr. Pao contaminates and dilutes the
substance of the issue of Hmong in Pha Lak or in the jungle. Substance
of the issue needs to be matched by substance of the person or persons
involved. Otherwise, we are kidding ourselves about the issue.
Dr. Pao himself had declared prominently here in SCH a while ago that
Hmong in the jungle were qualified sacrificial lambs in the pursuit of
his political aim. A man who was willing to sacrifice Hmong is in no
position to claim that he cares about the same Hmong thereof.
There are mistakes that can be forgiven. However, one must make a
clear distinction between mistakes and premeditated/deliberated acts.
Any forgiveness to the latter needs due consideration. Otherwise, one
is courting disaster.
If we believe that polygamy is an acceptable standard, then there is
no need to even discuss the issue of Hmong in Pha Lak or in the jungle
because we are proven ourselves a bunch of brutes. How would brutes be
qualified to deal with anything of substance?
Teev
tee...@hotmail.com
Unless the government of Laos is run by a bunch of idiots, would it
even consider dealing with Dr. Pao. If I run the foreign affairs
ministry, I would tell Dr. Pao to mouth his suggestions at the bottom
of his pants.
Teev
tee...@hotmail.com
The truth is, Dr. Pao does not care one bit about the well-being of
Hmong or other people in Laos. He said himself that Hmong in the
jungle were a well worth sacrifice in the pursuit of his political
aim. He already wrote off Hmong in the jungle as a price for his
ambition.
Unless the government of Laos had some unbeknown use of Dr. Pao, I do
not see how Laos could have extended hospitality to such a character.
It just made the government of Laos cheap and irresponsible. Maybe, by
giving him a second wife, he is reduced to absurdity. This is not a
bad tactic.
Teev
On Feb 5, 3:24 am, thanouxay <thanou...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Teev,
> Well said. I wish to add on another offense committed by those
> protected and promoted by Pao and that is: those guys used and are
> using the women and kids as hostage for their crime. Those poor women
> and kids were forced to live like animals to provide those bandits
> with foot, care and joy.
> But the Lao Government had declared that they are welcomed at any
> moment and will be assisted to reintegrate the mainstream of Lao multi-
> ethnic society.
> Sok dee
>
Pao
> B2BM,
>
> Dr. Pao himself had declared prominently here in SCH a while ago that
> Hmong in the jungle were qualified sacrificial lambs in the pursuit of
> his political aim. A man who was willing to sacrifice Hmong is in no
Teev...
Just on the point you made above... You are out of your mind, my
friend!
SHOW me the evidence that I said what you stated in your post above.
SHOW me the evidence that YOU stated that I had said in "SCH a while
ago that Hmong in the jungle were qualified sacrificial lambs in the
pursuit of his political aim."
SHOW ME the EVIDENCE!!! I would LOVE to see the evidence, as much as
any one else in SCL/SCH and every one around the globe.
SHOW ALL the EVIDENCE!!!!
Come on Teev... let do it for REAL. SHOW the EVIDENCE! When, where,
the REAL post that I said that (remember that all my posts are
archives in SCL/SCH). So, it would not be difficult to find it, Teev.
Pao
ເຄຣຊີ້ແລຣີ້
Pao,
Please show some evidence that you are not a bigamist like teev has
aledged. Please also show evidence that you have bought out the
entire inventory of the shoe store gave the shoes to all the ladies in
the market. Please also show evidence that you have helped the Hmongs
in Thailand prior to them being repatriated.
I sincerely invited you to be a part of the answer instead of being
the "THORN". My invitation still stands.
Until then, please stop barking like a mad dog and telling people to
stop barking by barking back at them with upper case letters, it is
very unbecoming of you. Language like that should not be used by a
well educated doctor. You are starting to look like a 'CRAZY Larry'.
Your friend,
Larry
thanouxay
As you may guessed already that do not care so much on all the bla...
bla... made by the talkers. As a person who is on spot and who care
for everybody and particularly the most vulnerable, Icould not take
into account all those bla... bla... which may diter me from my work.
But as a stakeholder on this issue, I will continue to work for the
betterment of those poor people who do really need help and care.
Pao is Pao and I will care more for his deed and certaintly not his
bla.. bla...
I am posting this from Santosa Resort and SPA, Singapore.
Sok dee
> > well being of the Ban Phalak people is beyond thisThanouxay- or are
> > you suggesting that the welfare and the life of the peole of Ban
> > Phalak in IN YOUR HANDS? If their lives are inTHanouxay'shands then
> > it would be true to say that I was too arrogance because I do not
> > recognise that fact - the fact thatThanouxayis more than God?
>
> > bUT.. what's that has to do with this arrogance stuff any way?
>
> > Pao
>
> What a pethetic reason you have withThanouxay. It is OK Dr. Pao, you
> only shamed yourself here. If you would take my advice, please unto
> your own damage here before it's too late. Next time do the reserve,
> showThanouxayand Yong your walk instead of your talk. You feel free
> not to take my advice. However, this time is free but next time will
> cost a lot.
>
> Thanouxay, as a big man like you, it is not hurt nor bad for you if
> you may pardon Dr. Pao for his careless attempt to show his diplomatic
> triumph for Phalak. I know you see the bigger picture in Laos than
> just the little treasure in Phalak.- Hide quoted text -
Born2beHmong
Larry,
same goes to you, and i'm sure looking forward to work together and to
seek for a brighter future of Laos and all its citizens. this
includes all ethics, as they can live happily and smile at each other
as neighbors. and the most important thing of all is that Laos treats
its citizens equally and decently to a free movement inside the
country, whereas they would preferrably to live.
thanks,
Born2beMhong
Pao
If any one has any thing to say about this issue then said so. All the
information is written by the respective authors, including Dr Gary
Yia Lee.
The information speaks for itself.
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.hmong/msg/dca53815533a3a57?dmode=source
ເຄຣຊີ້ແລຣີ້
> Pao,
> Who requested you to brieng those assistance??? As far as we are
> concern, we do have all capacity and means to do the job by ourself
> and I do not need your help in Phalak.
> You seem to invite yourself and are arrogant enough to impose a pre-
> requisite condition... Who ask you anything, Pao??? I do not recall
> requesting anything from you.
> Sok dee
>
Thanouxay,
Our dear Dr. Pao is not bringing ANY assistance. He never has and he
never will. He is all talk just as he has been doing, NOTHING but
talk. He hasn't brought any assistance to the Hmongs in Thailand, and
he hasn't brought any assiatance to the Hmongs in Laos. He is just
like the extremist muslim Immams, safe in his living room erging the
rebels to risk their lives and erging the Laonorks and Hmongnorks to
fund them just like the muslim extremist clergies, using other
people's money and other people's misery for his personal gain. What
else is new?
Your friend,
Larry
thanouxay
You will soon hear again about Phalak. I am preparing visit but not
that proposed by Pao but with several big players to show to them that
Laos may need help in many sectors but with regard to this small
village of rapatriated Hmong from Thailand, we have more than enough
means and capacity to handle it. Those important peoples will also be
surprised to see the following:
1. It is not a camp because no barbed-wire nor fence but an ordinary
Hmong village with big space for living and wide horizon;
2. How fast, those rapatriated are able to renormalise their life with
the help of the Government;
3. How caring is theLao Government toward the Hmong rapatriated from
Thailand where they were confined in a Camp (Yes, a real camp with
barbe-wire fence) as illegal migrants; and
4. a magnificient site in term of landscape, pure aire, and beautiful
scenery.
To Pao,
Just retain your modest fund for other utilities. We are a big country
and Hmong are living not only in Phalak but all over Lao territory. We
do not need you there.
I am now posting against from Vientiane.
Sok dee
On Feb 16, 2:43 am, adin...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > well being of the Ban Phalak people is beyond thisThanouxay- or are
> > you suggesting that the welfare and the life of the peole of Ban
> > Phalak in IN YOUR HANDS? If their lives are inTHanouxay'shands then
> > it would be true to say that I was too arrogance because I do not
> > recognise that fact - the fact thatThanouxayis more than God?
>
> > bUT.. what's that has to do with this arrogance stuff any way?
>
> > Pao
>
> What a pethetic reason you have withThanouxay. It is OK Dr. Pao, you
> only shamed yourself here. If you would take my advice, please unto
> your own damage here before it's too late. Next time do the reserve,
> showThanouxayand Yong your walk instead of your talk. You feel free
> not to take my advice. However, this time is free but next time will
> cost a lot.
>
> Thanouxay, as a big man like you, it is not hurt nor bad for you if
> you may pardon Dr. Pao for his careless attempt to show his diplomatic
> triumph for Phalak. I know you see the bigger picture in Laos than
> just the little treasure in Phalak.- Hide quoted text -
Hmong-Lao
From the pictures posted by DKJ, I agree with you that Ban Phalak has
beautiful landscape. It is suitable to build a dream house there after
retired. I will stop at Ban Phalak sometime in the near future for
scenery sighting.
Anyway, from the pictures, I believe that these refugees have a better
life than some of the people I saw on a home video taken by my cousin
not too long ago. These poor people in the video are Lao Sung, Lao
Theung as well as Lao Lum. So I have nothing to complain about the
poor condition of the refugees in Ban Phalak as long as they have a
place to farm and can live freely just like everybody else.
This really shows that LPDR government does care about its citizen.
HL
ເຄຣຊີ້ແລຣີ້
ML,
Comparing Phalak to a concentration can only be dne by people who are
so far removed from reality that their shiite don't stink any more.
For those of us whose shite still stinks, we can see reality and see
that the people in Phalak is well being cared for.
Thnouxay,
I think if our dear Dr. Pao wants to help, by all mean, he should be
allowed to help. If he wants to run things, he has to get in line and
apply for the job like anyone else. We all know that our dear Dr. Pao
has never put his money where his mouth is. Everyone in SCL and SCH
can see from his record here that he's all talk and no walk. We also
know that anyone can change for the better, if he truely wants to
help, Laos should accept his offer. He can start by offering help
with 'no strings attached'.
Your friend,
Larry