qhov no yog qhov nej xavx pom ntag...dr pov daim report

[hmoobauxx]

zoo li yawg yawg ua tau qeeb siab dhau nej ib txhia tos tsis taus, cia
kuv pab yawg. hauv qab no yog qhov yawg qhov tham txog teeb meem hmoob
xwb. Yawg daim report kam muaj txog 21 pages. Enjoy your reading!

GENERAL OBSERVATION

THE HMONG

Traveling around the Hmong settlements, it appeared true that the Hmong
living standards had improved as the Lao authorities consistently said.
However, the reason for this improvement was not that given by the Lao
authorities [14] [12] [10]. They maintain always that the improvement
was due to the LPDR "national development", especially quitting the
slash and burn farming and the eradication of opium poppy cultivation
and moving the people down from the hills to the lowlands under the
government's relocation program in 2000.

Based on my personal observations, the improvement in the larger Hmong
settlements was only partly related to the LPDR policies. After touring
and talking to many Hmong in Xiengkhouang, Vientiane and Borikhamxay,
the only thing that the LPDR provide to the new settlers is the
allocation some wet rice paddies for those early arrivals. As far as
building their life is concerned, the people did this on
their own and for those who had an improved living standard this was
almost solely related to the monetary assistance from their overseas
family members (not by any monetary assistance of the central
government of the LPDR). For example, a casual observation at
Phonesavanh's post office, there would be an average of 100 US
cheques arriving per day and each cheque would average $50 -300.
Let's assume that the average is $100 - that would amount to
$US10,000/day
x 360 days = $3,600,000/year coming to the Hmong in Phonesavanh. Over
$3 million of foreign income to Laos/year! In addition, one source
has told me that every year the US Hmong sent no less than $25,000,000
(25 millions dollars) to help their relatives in Laos, not counting the
$100's of thousands from others overseas and the money sent in to buy
rice paddies and land around Vientiane. Not to mention that each year,
there are no less that 20,000 US Hmong visiting Laos and each would
spend an average of no less than $3000 - that would amount to
$60,000,000/year as foreign income to Laos!

Hence, in total, it can be said that each year the overseas Hmong have
contributed no less than $85,000,000 to Laos! And that the success
settlement of the Hmong in Laos is effectively entirely the result of
the overseas Hmong communities. The government should acknowledge this
contribution and would be morally obliged to perhaps contribute to the
Hmong extra on a $ for $ basis.
As stated earlier, the overseas Lao community yearly sends over
$285,000,000 to Laos to help their relatives. This money compares
favourably with the $500,000,000 of foreign aid that Laos receives each
year. However, the foreign aid reaches only a small fraction of the
general people whereas overseas Lao communities' contributions reach
the people 100%. This explains why the Lao rural economy seems to be
able to operate independently of the LPDR government.

The Hmong in the jungle

There is undeniable evidence about the existence of the jungle people
- or what the LPDR refer to as "remote people". There are still
people living out in the jungle and at least two members of the NLSX
whom I have discussion with acknowledge the existence of such people.
Whether these people are anti-government resistance fighters or
"bandits", does not change the fact that those people in the jungle
are citizens of Laos and they require the same treatment as any Lao
citizen as described in the LPDR constitution.

Based on my conversations with some senior members of the NLSX, the
total numbers may be in the 100's and they are facing extreme
hardship. One senior member of NLSX asked me, "How can anyone help
to get these people out of the jungle so that their children can attend
school, receive medical care and so on. Why don't these people want
to come out?" He ponders that thought. I told him that I had no
contact with the jungle people but I had heard of people who could
communicate with them through satellite phone. The stories I heard
about why they were not coming out were twofold:

Firstly "those who want to come out are too afraid of the LPDR due to
past stories about how the returnees' leaders died under mysterious
circumstances. Whether the deaths were due to the LPDR or not, it
matters enough to those people in the jungle that their safety cannot
be guaranteed and they would not risk their lives by just coming of the
jungle."

I suggested that a third party needs to be brought in to give comfort
to the jungle people, and I have seen in the recent past that the
Secretary General of the UN has indicated that the UN is willing and
ready to assist the Lao government should it ask for assistance. The
same senior NLSX member said that as long as the UN does not want to
dominate and take over the issue, and as long as the UN agrees to work
in cooperation side by side with the LPDR, it is acceptable. But he
believes that the UN would not agree to work alongside the LPDR. I
then suggested that if the LPDR agreed to that idea, perhaps other
governments like the Australian government could facilitate the
dialogue between the UN and the LPDR to work something out. That NLSX
member was very happy with that formula. However, another senior
member of the NLSX told me later that the current Lao Government would
never allow the UN to get involved in this "minor" internal Lao
issue because it could open up a huge can of worms and it could be very
messy. I suggested to that senior NLSX member that it may be seen as a
"minor" issue for LDPR but the international communities see it as
a major humanitarian issue. In addition, the international
communities, in the midst of a global aid donor fatigue are waiting to
see some genuine approach to this humanitarian issue in a transparent
manner that LPDR is serious about moving on for the betterment of the
multi-ethnic Lao people, including the most remote people.

The second reason that people are afraid to come out is related to the
lack of information about those who came out earlier. To date there
has not been any independent report about the well being and
resettlement of those many 100's of people who have already come out.
For example, there is no follow up report on these people like those
171 people who came out last year at Phou Khout. What has happened to
them? While I was in Phonesavanh, I requested to visit a Hmong village
which is about 12km from town and inhabited by mostly people from the
jungle. The purpose of that visit was to get some information about
those returnees and to see how they have settled. I was unable to
visit the village, even it was cleared from the Vientiane office. The
reason, as I was told, is that there was a heavy rain and the road was
flooded.

To satisfy the international curiosity, I suggest that the NLSX
consider these two suggestions:
(1) To allow an independent delegation of various international
members to visit those alleged settlements of the remote people in Phou
Khout, Phonesavanh, Lat Huang and around Xiengkhouangville.
(2) For NLSX to set up a "Special Committee" to canvass
international assistance to the settlement and rehabilitation of the
remote people.
(3) For the hardcore group, Laos will need the participation of the
international communities to solve the issue. Solutions would include
allowing these people to be resettled in other countries.

For the international communities, it is time to take a serious look at
this issue. Pressure need to be brought onto the LPDR and the Phak to
solve this problem at the earliest possible opportunity. Foreign
should be continue to help Laos as an economic boycott would hurt the
people more. Bu at the same time, conditions will need to be attached
to that money to ensure that the moneys go to the intended projects or
people.

Missing Hmong children in Laos.

When I arrived in Laos, the missing Hmong children were still looming.
The diplomatic communities believe that those Hmong children are still
being held in Laos. However at that stage they were prepared to wait in
order to give the LPDR and the Thai Government time to solve this issue
quietly.

The second issue, as I arrived in Vientiane, was about the alleged
killing of 26 Hmong by Lao soldiers near Vangvieng. As I was traveling
to Vangvieng, Kasy, Salaphoukoun and Xiengkhouang, I talked to many
Hmong on the way and trying to see if there was any news about this
story, but I was unable to get any information from anyone. It was
obvious that along this Salaphoukoun route there was a visible heavy
military presence patrolling the highway. When I was in Xiengkhouang I
talked to some Hmong officials but no one had head about the alleged
killing. So... the story still stayed looming as I left Laos with no
concrete evidence available to prove or disprove the issue, and the
LPDR officials maintained that there was no such killing.

It is worthy to add that the US Embassy made a formal complaint about
the missing children but the Embassy or other international agencies
did not follow up. Similarly, as I left Laos, the US Embassy made
similar complaint to the LPDR but the US Embassies failed to follow up
the issue as well. This lack of action has occurred several times in
the past, and now, which tends to suggest that the US Government has
no commitment to seeing such matters resolved. Why did the US Embassy
make the complaint in the first place? And why no follow up? What
agenda are they following?

So... this issue will remain as another unresolved Hmong issue, adding
to all other issues that have surfaced in the past which were labeled
by the LPDR as simply "fabrication".

The Hmong issue in Laos as a confusing and conflicting issue to me. On
the one hand the LPDR has consistently maintained that the Hmong in
Laos have the opportunity to take on various government positions in
LPDR. Examples are Pany as a Politburo member and also Chaleuan
Yiapaoher as Minister of Justice in the new LPDR.

At the provincial level the Hmong are faring quite well also. And I
have met with many Hmong along the route of my travels and I have
spoken freely with many of them, and I concur with the view of the LPDR
. The Hmong in Laos are doing better in some part of the countries
than other ethnic groups. Many Hmong are found in various government
department like Justice Dept, Education, Planning, Post And
telecommunication and even inside the Committee of External Relations
of the Phak. The local people along the route to Xiengkhouang and
South of Laos seem to be content with their current lives, despite all
the predicaments that many have found themselves in.

However, privately few people told me that many Hmong issues that
remain as real concerns to the future of the Hmong in Laos as some of
the central government initiatives seem to have more negative effects
on the Hmong that intended. Life for many is harder than before and
there are potential problem in the future due to the very small number
of Hmong students in higher education or attending schooling overseas.

The jungle people remain as a real concern as the LPDR see it as a
"minor" problem that would be solved soon. There is a fear that
the LPDR would mount a mopped up operation which could be potentially
serious.

On the evening of May 14th, the Laonork delegates (from USA, France &
Australia) sat down for two hours at Lane Xang Hotel to formulate a
Five-point proposal that we presented to the NLSX Central Committee
and various LPDR officials:

1. To set up an Office of Laonork in Vientiane

2. For the LPDR to expand its current practice to allow overseas
people (of Lao origin) to stay in Laos as "permanent resident" to
enjoy the same right and privilege as any Laonai. This will pave the
way for may Laonork, especially the self-funded elderly retirees, to
return to live in Laos permanently.
3. For the NLSX to host a Lao Expert International Conference of
Laonai and Laonork to identify means of assisting the development of
Laos for the betterment of the multi-ethnic Lao people.

4. For NLSX to set up an Official Committee to network with all the
Laonork .

5. For the NLSX to allow Laonork NGO to bring expertise to Laos to
assist in the national development, in business, human resource
development and cultural issues.

And I like to recommend two more points:
i) For the Phak and the LPDR to have open dialogue with the overseas
Lao communities by inviting Laonork delegations to visit Laos. These
delegations can include trade, education, medical, business,
bio-technical, engineering, IT and cultural.
ii) For the National Assembly to consider the issue of Dual
Nationalities.

His report is not that bad folks. More to come...

[vaaj...@yahoo.com]

hmoobauxx, yuav uas le caag es peb xam ntseeg tau has tas dlaim report
nuav yog dr.pao dlaim, kuv xaav nug koj ob peb lug, 1) koj puag yog
dr.pao, 2)yog koj tej has tas tsis yog nua tsi (1), koj puag tau kev
tso caij ntawd dr.pao lug, 3) yog tau nuav, koj los yog dr.pao yog tug
kws sau dlaim report nuav, koj xwb los mej ob leeg, 4) yog,koj txug
dr.pao sau nuav nwg puav tau approved qhov koj sau, 5) yog vim le caag
es dr.pao hoj tsis tso dlaim report ntawd huav koj ho yog tug tso 6)
qhov nuav,kuv xaav kuag dr.pao confirm has tas yog nwg dlaim report ua
ntej kuj yuav muaj lug nub nwg.

[tsee...@gmail.com]

vaajm...@yahoo.com wrote:
> hmoobauxx, yuav uas le caag es peb xam ntseeg tau has tas dlaim report
> nuav yog dr.pao dlaim, kuv xaav nug koj ob peb lug, 1) koj puag yog
> dr.pao, 2)yog koj tej has tas tsis yog nua tsi (1), koj puag tau kev
> tso caij ntawd dr.pao lug, 3) yog tau nuav, koj los yog dr.pao yog tug
> kws sau dlaim report nuav, koj xwb los mej ob leeg, 4) yog,koj txug
> dr.pao sau nuav nwg puav tau approved qhov koj sau, 5) yog vim le caag
> es dr.pao hoj tsis tso dlaim report ntawd huav koj ho yog tug tso 6)
> qhov nuav,kuv xaav kuag dr.pao confirm has tas yog nwg dlaim report ua
> ntej kuj yuav muaj lug nub nwg.

Vaajmoob,

Caag es koj tseem ntse tshaaj qhov kuv xaav taus lawm hab? Kuv los xav
paub yawm hmoobauxx nuav kawg le hab tag. Po yog yawd moog HACKED tau
dr.Pao cov REPORT lug le SOMMER hab LAURA ob tug niv?

Hahaha...Good observation VaajMoob.

TseemYeej.

[Born2beHmong]

Thank you,

and please sent a copy of the 21 pages to my email, i would be greatly
appreciated. please highlite the title as LPDR-Visiting Report to
truelove_neverendatyahoo.com

thanks,

born2beHmong

[vaaj...@yahoo.com]

born2be, koj yeej muaj truelove neb tog has tas koj ob lub qhov qau
dlig lawm es koj tsis pumhas tas zhen has mob lwm paag lwm paw vim tas
zhen yog koj tug maum dlev lawm ce koj yuav hlub nwg tsis pum nwg qhov
phem hab tsis paub kawg,pua yog.

[Xejthim]

Le caag los xij yog tas dlaim report nuav yog dr pao dlaim ces yawm
hmoobauxx hov yuav tsum yog dr pao xwb los sis hmoobauxx hab dr pao ob
tug yuav tsum koom noj ib dla mov, yaw txhaj le muaj peev xwm muab tau
huv dr pao lub pc coj tuaj tso rua peb saib. Zoo kawg, zoo kawg cas
maam le nyeem ntxiv kuas taag tso.

[vaaj...@hotmail.com]

kwv tseemyeej, es koj xaav has tas kuv txawj caum luag nkauj peg
PhamNaus nuav xwb lov, kuv txawjx has lug moob dlawb has huav yog thaum
kuv moog thaam luag nkauj moob dlawb naj, koj sim nug col. muas xwm
puab cov muam saib, kuv kuj txawj ntxag pamlem noj hab,koj sim moog nug
cov nyuag luag nkaug nplog es nyob ib ncig yawm vaajpov tsev kws zex
AbNubXamVabLis ntawd saib mej.

[noogq...@yahoo.com]

That last sentence looks more like Tseemyeej's writing......
hehehehehehe... Nej leej twg pum le ntawd hab?

nqq

. More to come...

[vaaj...@hotmail.com]

nqq, kuv tsis pum le hov es yog vim le caag koj xam has le hov, kuv twm
moog twm lug los tsis pum qhov hov le, tejzag yog vim kuv nyav tuaj
koom mej tshab es kuv qhov muag tsis pum keb zoo xwb, kuv maam moog
txav ib lub av saib puab pum, tabsim kuv ib txhij paub mas tseemyeej
yog ib tug phoojywg kwv zoo heev tsis zoo le mej xaav hab mej has, kuv
twm koj cov lug mas zoo le kws koj lag has tas tseemyeej fabricate qhov
post ntawd nuav puav yog.

[drpa...@dex.hmoob.net]

Ua cas es leej twg yuav hack tau kuv ib lub PC tiag lod! I only hope
that other UNFINISHED draft segment of the report will NOT be posted
here again.

Daim posting hauv no yeej zoo li kuv ib phab report uas yog kuv ib daim
very early draft report... tabsis nws yog in phab lus-lus thiab very
early draft - incomplete draft xwb.

Ua cas nej yuav mus kub siab ua luaj li laud?

Txhua xyoo, peb muaj kwvtij neejtsa Hmoob mus Nlpog teb txog 20-30,000
leej es ua case nej ho tsis kom lawv muaj lawv cov report los pub peb
paub thiab. Yav dhau los, yam li twb muaj cov Hmoob delegation mus
Nplog teb yav dhau los ne... nej leej twg puas tau pom lawm tej report
thiab mad?.

Thaum kuv sau kuv daim report tias, leej twg puav kam tawm nyiaj los
muaj print tawm thiab? ab... tejzaum... yuav tau sau nqi menti voj? Pes
tsawg lag nyij/report? Interesting thought to ponder!

Finally, because of the incomplete report was posted here (and only a
small section of the very early draf version), if any one have any
question regarding the content of the posting, please call me directly
on +61393764111 (use freecall) or email me ad drpao at hmoob.net. I
don't want people to misunderstood based on bits and pieces from the
whole report. Can you wait for a bit longer? even longer? Is that OK?

Regards to all...

Pao

[drpa...@dex.hmoob.net]

NB: The posting below was posted without my consent and without my
knowledge. I hope that we can have patient to wait for the finished
report in distant future... Or may be I should not release anything at
all in the future. Interesting thought!.

Pao

[noogq...@yahoo.com]

vaajmoob,

Ah...yaj... luas tso dlaaj tso luag xwb mas...nam tsuv tum aw....

nqq

[vaaj...@hotmail.com]

dr.pao los yog hmoobozz, tsis muaj leeg twg hack tau koj lub PC og rua
qhov has tas koj hab hmoobozz tub yog tuab tug tuab neeg rua yog ob lub
taub hau xwb puab yog, koj xaav kuam koj tseem muaj koj lub cake hab
tabsim koj ho xaav noj hab puab yog, moob los xaav ua huav blog los
xaav yuav, tub tsog los xaav kuam paag tub ntse los xaav kuam rhawb,
Pany thoj los kuam txheej huav yawm vaajpov los kuam ze, mov los kuam
tau nov dlej los kuam tau haug.dr.pao paub koj lub hlub los mas, yuav
tso miv qua report ua hmoobozz npe saib puab muaj tuabneeg has, tsis
has nuav ce zoo, has nuav ce tsis leeg has tas yog koj tsua qhov yog
hmoobozz posted xwb nev puav yog.

[phabej]

Phooj yawg hmoobauxx,

Ua tsaug rau koj daim post. Raws xav mas koj yuav tsum yog Dr. Pov ib
tug zoo phooj ywg li tus phooj ywg Xejthim hais ntawv es koj thiaj li
tau yawg daim report, tiam sis ntshe yog koj qhaim xaj rau the great
dr. lawm xwb. Saib mas zoo li Dr. Pov lus tsuag kawg li lawm los tsis
sub. Yog koj yeej tau kev tso cai ntawm yawg tus ua hlob ces koj kuj
muab post kom tag kiag 21 pages li koj hais ntawv pub rau peb nyeem
thiab. Txawm li cas los xij, yog koj tsis tau kev tso cai los ntawm Dr.
Pov no tej zaum koj yuav tau ceev faj tsam yawg lam siv yawg dab laug
laus cov txuj ci khawv koob nyuj ciab nyuj ncau-npas fas zeb ntais rau
koj nawj...hehehe...tso dag xwb.

Dr. Pov hais txog qhov no mas kuv xav hais tias koj tus ua hlob kuj
txhob muab thwm ua npas ham loj thiab vim hais tias koj yeej tau
promise ib tsoom phooj ywg hauv SCH no lawm hais tias koj yuav muab koj
daim report coj tuaj tso rau suav daws nyeem los ntev loo lawm (puag
thaum lub 6 hli 7 hli ntuj los lawm) tab sis pheej tsis pom koj post li
xwb. Ua li Hmoob pheej xij hais uas nej cov hlob hais tau yam twg lawm
yuav tsum ua kom tau li nej hais thiab laiv. Yog nej ua tsis tau li nej
tau hais ces tej zaum muaj tej tus neeg siab kub li yawg Hmoobauxx no
thiaj lam tau lam muab nej tej lus los tso ua dog ua dig rau suav daws
pom. Yog kuv lub cim xeeb tseem ua hauj lwm zoo mas, zoo li koj yeej
tau paj kaj tawm rau hauv SCH no hais tias muaj coob leej ntau tus
phooj ywg (koj cov qhaj nab ntseeg siab) yeej tau txais/pom/nyeem koj
daim report lawm no los tsis sub laiv. Tej zaum yeej yog koj cov zoo
phooj ywg ntawv tsis ua zoo tauv pa dej es ua pas dej phwj xwb. Tej
zaum mas twb tseem yog kiag koj cov phooj ywg zoo ntawv ib tug twg rov
taw tuam ntuj rau koj xwb los tsis paub.

Txawm li cas los xij qhov tseeb ces peb suav daws yeej los xav pom koj
daim report kawg kiag li xwb. Seb yog koj npaj tau ces kav tsi muab
post rau peb nyeem es peb ho nrog koj xwv xam seb yuav ua txoj twg
thiaj li zoo mus pab lub teb chaws Nplog.

Ua tsaug.

[phabej]

Phooj yawg hmoobauxx,

Ua tsaug.

[drpa...@dex.hmoob.net]

vaajmoob...

Tej laus yeej hais cia tias "nte tub sab yuav tsum nte kom tau ntawm
npab" no ne.
Muaj tseeb li cas, kuv hais tau li ntawd xwb. Ho, koj yuav xe, koj
yuav liam kuv licas, nws nyob ntawm koj tus kheej.

Tej laus yeej hais tias saum muaj ntuj haus muaj teb, leej twg yuav ua
zoo thiab thiab tsis zoo los yeej muaj lub ntuj pom. Lino xwb mog...
hais ntau los tau kua haus xwb.

Pao

[vaaj...@yahoo.com]

dr.pao, sob tu tu sab maj tej laug yeej has tas, yog mej cov luag tsis
tau ua moob tug coj ces sob tuag, nuav nib, tej nyuag miv miv nuav xwb
yog moob neej moob tsaav tsis muaj dlaab tsis.