"DRAFT (1): BAN PATHANA PHALAK PROJECT
BACKGROUND of Ban Phatana Phalak:
Ban Phathana Phalak was set up by the LPDR to received the Hmong
returnees
from Thailand .
Ban Phalak was funded by Vientiane province had spent about 40
hundred
millions of Kip (more than 400,000 $US - according to Mr. Somphet,
former
VTE provincial governor's report last year) for the first phase of the
Phalak
project that included 7km new paved road to the village, 50 houses,
two irrigating systems(sets), two Ford tractors and others needed
expenses. The second phase is
under operation nowadays that's including 50 new houses (10 new
houses are already in use http://www.flickr.com/photos/phalak/2217893505/),
3km electric line connection to the village, school, health unit and
the
work with 400ha farming land.
Phalak settlement comes under Vientiane (Phone Hong) province
authority as
it is located in Kasi district.
The area is situated near Kasi, on the way north on highway No 13, at
km202,
take a left turn toward Ban Chieng. Drive on for 27 km, you will
arrive at
Ban Phathana Phalak, an allocated areas of 400 hectares in the Phalak
plain
next to the Lak river. The pain is flat and with proper development,
it
could turn into 370 hectares of wet rice paddy, supporting about 100
families.
The first group of returnees arrived at the Ban Phalak in the
mid-2007. Since
then, there are 11 families people have resettled at Ban Phalak.
Currently,
the returnees were joined by other villagers who were relocated from
the
highland, a total of 50 families (including of 11 families as
returnees from
Thailand - 192 people) lives in and around the Ban Phalak. The total
population
is 326 people with 120 children and 166 women. Among the Hmong
returnees
from Thailand in Ban Phalak, there are about 43 school children, 25 of
early
primary and 17 slightly older kids.
There are two teachers (Ms Moua Xiong) and two nurses (Ms Pa Lor & Kou
Lor).
Ban Phalak was visited by Mr. Yaseng, Chief Cabinet of Department
Foreign
Affairs and Mr. Ly Ying, Director of the Committee for External
Relation,
on 28 August 2007.
About 5 months ago, Yong took a group of media to visit Ban Phalak.
Mr Lytou Bouapao, Vice Minister Education visited Ban Phalak in late
January 2008.
See more information at Youtube:
http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=LPDR&p=r
LAONORK BAN PHALAK PROJECT:
COORDINATORS OF PROJECT:
Mr. [S K] (US)
Ms [R I] (Oz)
Others: (To be confirmed)
AIM:
To enhance the life of the women and children of Ban Phalak.
Target groups:
Women and Children
Possible Projects: Targeting the Welfare of the children & Women in
one or more of the following areas:
1. Healthcare of the children and Maternity health of the women.
2. Improve the Medical care to the children & women.
3. Improve education to the children of Ban Phalak.
4. Improve the living condition to the children of Ban Phalak.
5. Other projects as deemed necessary.
PHASE 1 OF THE PROJECT:
Visit to Ban Phalak to obtain information about the NEED of the
children
and Women of Ban Phalak. (NB: Soulivanh and Ratamany are waiting for
the Lao Ministry of Foreign Affairs to set a date for their visit to
Ban Phalak in early March 2008.)
PHASE 2 OF BAN PHALAK PROJECT:
Based on the NEED of the children and women of Ban Phalak as compiled
from the initial visit, *future plan for assistance will be discussed
and planned.
If there is a need, another visit to Ban Phalak may be planned for
the Good Will Delegation.
PHASE 3:
* Further possible projects will be discussed .
(* TBC based on the information from the first visit by [S] & [R])"
Keo
Provide food and shelter for Hmong mean kill Hmong?
You may wish to ask Dr. Pao who is asking him for help or is he not
jumping by himself on works which is ongoing on initiative of others.
This trouble maker attitude will of course always be turn down. What a
shame.
Sok dee
when i back in vienchan, i check for you.
kham
On Mar 13, 6:52 am, wexat...@yahoo.com wrote:
> A source said that Dr. Pao's Vientiane assessment delegation to visit
> Ban Phalak this week is dead. Read his political propaganda proposal
> below.
>
> "DRAFT (1): BAN PATHANA PHALAK PROJECT
>
> BACKGROUND of Ban Phatana Phalak:
>
> Ban Phathana Phalak was set up by the LPDR to received the Hmong
> returnees
> from Thailand .
>
> Ban Phalak was funded by Vientiane province had spent about 40
> hundred
> millions of Kip (more than 400,000 $US - according to Mr. Somphet,
> former
> VTE provincial governor's report last year) for the first phase of the
> Phalak
> project that included 7km new paved road to the village, 50 houses,
> two irrigating systems(sets), two Ford tractors and others needed
> expenses. The second phase is
> under operation nowadays that's including 50 new houses (10 new
> houses are already in usehttp://www.flickr.com/photos/phalak/2217893505/),
Porsiew kham, is it Pao's team or is it a team of good intentioned
people who have started this initiative long before Pao declared that
it is HIS team? Do these people answer to Pao? Is he in command of
this team or is he jumping on the bandwagon after someone else has
started this? Would these people really want to be lead by this
amateur?
Your friend,
Larry
Ban Phalak is build from Lao kip, a money
from Lao sweat to rescue our Pheenong Hmong,
a victim of fraud. it's a sensitive project, who
would want a member of desperado-Meohom
near that site to create a hoo-ha, hoo-ha a gain...
think about it.
Why is there so such animosity display by the Spokesman of Laos?
The Ban Phathana Ban Phalak is a genuine proposal to the GOL AND every
thing is done through the PROPER channels.
This is a humanitarian issue. Furthermore, any visit by outsiders will
lessen the fear of those people in Thailand, and if people can see
that the Ban Phalak people are doing well, every one would want to to
return home. That will be a big win for Laos and for those Lao citizen
in Thailand.
Everything we have done about the Ban Phalak project has been done
with genuine cetana and everything is transparent.
Our Laonork team in Vientiane is coordinated by one of the most
reputable and highest respected Laonork in Laos, and the team has
followed the proper step in accordance with your protocol and
request.
All the meetings and discussions in Vientiane with the Lao officials
are ON RECORD at your Department.
Regards,
Pao
For how many times have have I repeated to you that the village of
Phalak is a Government project which had been designed and built with
Government budget. I recalled telling you that we have more than
enough money in this project and that we do not need any help from
anybody.
If you are really of goodwill, Laos is so big and there are so many
things to do, why are you so stuborn to insist in interfering in this
project... unless you have any hidden agenda? With this kind of
approach, I do not think that we can cooperate with you...
If you want to help, I have told you to think of another project,
formulate it and submit to the Government for consideration and not
sending people right away before any positive approval from the
Government. Laos is our country, the initiative should oiur and not
your and it is us who dicide what to do, where to do and how to do...
Not you.
And why limit yourself on only Hmong? We are a Nation of 49 ethnic
group?
Once again, we do not need you in Phalak and what we are negotiating
with Thai is not your business. Don't you think that you are too
arrogant in sneaking your nose requesting us to tell you what we are
negotiating and agreed upon with the Thai???
For better cooperation in the future. I do hope that you will take
into consideration my advise.
Sok dee
> > > Provide food and shelter for Hmong mean kill Hmong?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Please be reminded that I have repeated several times here that we had
already put an end to whatever people have done before and proposed
that we step forward with a new base. Please do not think that anybody
can fool us easely.
Sok dee
I understand everything you have said and I support you 100%.
You are the one that truthfully helps the Hmong people.
Thank You Tub
After reading each of Dr Pao's posting, I think that Dr Pao is
fundamentally quite sincere in his Samaritan gesture or mission, but
the only thing I see is that he wants to be treated like a dignitary
of some sort with all the necessary protocol. If you can provide all
of that, I do think that Dr Pao might come up with some substantial
aids and supplies as he so genuinely spoke about. Dr Pao, forgives me
if yout happens to read this statement which seems a bit extraordinary
without any malice, but compassion about your goodwill. I don’t know
for sure that maybe Dr Pao might have a solid reason behind to solicit
for such special accommodation. But it seems time has gone by ever
since his last visit, and unfortunately stuck in the non-start
departure line. Of course, it’s none of my business, but I feel like
concerned citizen regarding the good deed that one wants to pursue,
but for lack of clearly defined technicality. Mr. Thanouxay, would you
clarify a bit on this philanthropic adventure, otherwise it seems to
me that the subject keeps ping pong back and fro in this forum
Vannassay,
> > think about it.- Hide quoted text -
Eexectly, morron. Taking viagra will not change your liFe, she is the
mother of ALL FUCKING UGLY.
Really, you and old fool loaphuc, mr. loadend can fuck each other up?
Waiting to see until of time.
Ai Thanouxay,
I think you and Dr.Pao have something in common, the welfare or well-
being of all the Lao people. You two just need to sit together and
discuss ways you can work together. The people of Laos has been
through many difficult situations in the past and I do not think they
need to go through that again. Lastly, I do respect you and your
position and the card is in your hand. Sok Dee and thanks for keep us
informed of the people in Laos, especially the Hmong in the new towns.
Dony
Hmong in new town in Laos is free Hmong
There are thousand Hmong kids born in Thai camp
and serving time without knowing what they did wrong,
any human will feel the same way, it's unfair...if Dr. Pao
really want to help Hmong, those kids are priority...
We, the Laonork will do what we can.. but in THIS CASE of the Lao
Hmong in Thailand, may I remind you that, I or any laonork cannot
interfere with Mr Yong BECAUSE the welfare of the lao-hmong in
Thailand, who are Lao citizen in accordance to article 22 of the Lao
constitution, shall be the PRIORITY and RESPOIBILITY of Yong and the
GOL as stipulated clearly in Article 33 of the 1991 Lao constitution.
Article 33: THE STATE PROTECTS THE LEGITIMATE RIGHTS AND INTERESTS OF
LAO CITIZENS RESIDING ABROAD.
But... We, the Laonorks, are always ready to assist should the GOL
request.
Pao
On Mar 16, 8:51 am, ລາວພວນ ລາວຮັກຊາດ <phet...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mar 14, 11:12 pm, dony <phiaj...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Mar 13, 7:23 pm, thanouxay <thanou...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > Dear Dr. Pao,
>
> > > For how many times have have I repeated to you that the village of
> > > Phalak is a Government project which had been designed and built with
> > > Government budget. I recalled telling you that we have more than
> > > enough money in this project and imathat we do not need any help from
Whose LaoNork are you pretending to represent and act For and on their
Behalf??? If you recall your project, there are several flaws to be
reminded.
1. The so-called LaoNork has been abused... How come that Dr. Pao can
pretend to represent all the LaoNork to call the project LaoNork Ban
Phalak Project??? How many LaoNork already confirmed giving you the
mandate to formulate this propject for the on their behalf???
My advise: It is not proper for anybody to formulate a project and use
the qualification "LaoNork" because for use when addressing our
compatriot who are living abroad we call them: ຊາວລາວຢູ່ຕ່າງປະເທດ.
2. Your attitude will alway deem to failure... As I recall, this is
the second failure of something you Unilaterally initiated and self-
declared you want to do without aproper preparation, consultation,
formulation, submission for consideration by the Government...with
interference from foreign government.
3. Laos is a country of 49 ethnic group. For any further proposed
project, please try to direct you assistance to all the 49, or the
entire Lao Multi-ethnic people. Even in a particular area, it is
advisable that all ethnics be the targetted beneficiaries and not only
one exclusive group.
Sok dee
> > really want to help Hmong, those kids are priority...- Hide quoted text -
Sabaidee Thanouxay,
Just for your intelligence, Dr. Pao and his Laonork crooks will try
every method to grab your government’s throat. If you have paid enough
attention to their attempted liberating mission in the past, you
should notice the different tactics they used, for example, battle
field fighting, bannork village burning, bus shooting, human rights
abuse allegation, religious practice allegation, and now humanitarian
aid claims.
wexatlao
Sabaidee Dr. Pao,
Don't you think you are outsmart ai Thanouxay? What is your next
tactic? Using your Hmong people in Laos to shield your mission is a
deadly method. It seems like weighing a war against Vientian
government is your last choice. Bring all your Hmong brothers and
sisters all over world to smash Laos at once then everything will be
under your control.
wexatlao
When Dr Pao used the word "We., the Laonork" with such overreached ton
particularly in the name of everybody abroad, it's a bit disconnected
with the day to day reality... I will be extremely happy to contribute
if Dr Pao can convince his own very divisive Hmong community first, in
which it doesn't seem is the case yet. For the good of those misguided
Hmong in Thailand, it will be very beneficial to separate the
demagogic politic from real humanitarian, or arbitration from
negotiation. I really wish those Hmong people could finally come home
and relive their lost times.
Vannassay,
> > really want to help Hmong, those kids are priority...- Hide quoted text -
You are demonstrated great error in your judgment and that you may
have confusion about your understanding of the word laonork.
Let me me elaborate point by point as below (just scrool down):
On Mar 16, 8:05 pm, thanouxay <thanou...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Dear Dr. Pao,
>
> Whose LaoNork are you pretending to represent and act For and on their
> Behalf??? If you recall your project, there are several flaws to be
> reminded.
>
> 1. The so-called LaoNork has been abused... How come that Dr. Pao can
> pretend to represent all the LaoNork to call the project LaoNork Ban
> Phalak Project??? How many LaoNork already confirmed giving you the
> mandate to formulate this propject for the on their behalf???>>>
Dr Pao response:
There is NO where in any of my posts or content of my draft proposal
to indicate that the so-called Laonork has been abused. I have NOT
state any where, and I challenge YOU, THANOUXAY, to show me evidence
to support your GROSS ERROR in understanding that I pretend to
represent all the Laonork to call the project LaoNork Ban Phalak
Project. The detail of the Draft proposal is leaked out to SCL from
your camp.
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.laos/msg/1304abbde27674d0
and I MUST add that the original Draft proposal had the FULL NAMES of
the TWO Laonork Coordinators- but the leaked documents had those name
DELETED and replaced by their initials only - like this:
COORDINATORS OF PROJECT:
Mr. [S K] (US)
Ms [R I] (Oz)
THanouxay (I assume here that Thanouxay is Yong Chanmthalangsy - if
this is not the case then most of what I say below is irrelevant), YOU
know WHO are SK from US and RI from OZ - those are the TWO Laonork
coordinators for the proposal Draft project. You know that Mr. KS had
spoken to your vice Foreign Minister and your General Director for
Asia Pacific Desk at your Department. YOU also know your colleague
ຄົນບ້ານສີເມືອງ (who travel with you to China) had spoken on the phone
to Ms RI many times about the Ban Phalak projects and YOU have had
discussion with ຄົນບ້ານສີເມືອງ, wanting to know who is Ms RI. You had
asked ຄົນບ້ານສີເມືອງ to contacted his friend in Vientiane (who is
escorting Ms RI during her time in Vientiane), wanting to know about
Ms RI.
You also know that Ms RI had an official meeting with your Chief
Cabinet, two meeting with the Deputy and the Director of the Committee
for External Relation.
ALL THE MINUTES OF ALL THE ABOVE MEETINGS ARE AT YOUR
DEPARTAMENTABOVE
There is NO where else to suggest or to prove that I try to represent
ALL Laonork.
ALL THE MINUTES OF THE MEETINGS WITH MS RI ARE AT YOUR DEPARTMENT.
Secondly, the Draft Proposal has been sent to H.E. Kenthong, the Lao
Ambassador in Canberra AS RECOMMENDED by your Vice FM Minister and the
General Director of Asia Pacific desk.
Every thing is done with FULL TRANSPARENCY (if you need full detail of
the time, date and what is said at every meetings, every
conversations... then I can provide that any time).
Hence, in this case, Thanouxay has purposely MISLED members of SCL
and the global communities as he wrote in the few posts in this
thread.
Lastly, the word Laonork is used here to refer specifically to all the
people of Lao origin who fled Laos since 1975 and are now settled in a
third country around the world, either as a Permanent Resident or as
Citizen of their new host countries.
Hence, I am a Laonork, If there is just ONE more Laonork person with
me, it is grammatically correct to refer as "WE", the Laonork! ...
When I used the term "WE, the Laonork" does not mean AND can NOT be
interpreted that I mean to represent ALL the Laonork.
Thanouxay and Vannasay must have jump into their gross error in
understanding or it could be their intention to MISLED all SCH/SCH and
the world communities. Any one would expect that if Thanouxay is the
Official Spokesman of Laos, such GROSS error in interpretation is
unacceptable and inexcusable and if it happens in the West, that
person should be fired.
Pao
Ah Hammm!!
:
I became a bit more in tune with this issue during my late visit to
Laos, when I was bumping to a full load of Hmong men and women from US
in Done Muang airport, Bangkok. I talked to a few of them who seemed
quite happy to return to visit their relatives who had been
repatriated previously back to those new resettlement villages in
Laos. I was told that most of these Hmong were not first time
visitors, and kept coming back mostly to assist their close relatives
with money and purchase of basic necessity, electronic consumer goods,
appliance, and some with a few farming equipments etc...Then this also
triggered my curiosity to go to visit them in those villages. Beside
all these frivolous cheap shots and accusations, I am quite convincing
that these resettlements look quite promising and good for further
social integration; of course, they're far far from being any five
star Hilton Hotel, but hopefully offering a concrete solution to end
this long and precarious situation.
So my experience is totally unrelated to yours and Thanouxay. If both
of you seem to have an issue to settle out of your last time visit,
that can only concern both of you...I didn't even question your
sincerity to pursue such humanitarian interest, moreover, and you
could be even a frontline role model in this regard to many Hmong
people in need. For having said that, I still can't hold back with the
same question in the eyes of many readers, it looks like your motive
exceeded your official demand, or just a perception that has made the
whole project standstill or stuck.
My view as now is based on the concrete evidence of this progress
which is not a political endorsement of any kind, even less deterred
with unimpressed cold war rhetoric, but simply sincerely hoping with
the best wishes that this pending problem dissipate and all resettle
for the better for these Hmong people. I don't know what had made you
see the misleading part in all this.
Vannassay,
Those people you met in Duang muang are not really Hmong. They are
traitors who just broke their vows with their spouses and went to look
for pleasure in Laos. If they were so love the peoples why did they
spent at least 2 years with the LPDR in Phalak to monitor the
retunrnees? No matter what LPDR claims today. They are not the
orignal Pathet-Lao that form by Lor Fang Dang, Sithoun Khoumadan, and
Souphanouvong years ago. The orignal platform was Pa xa xoun peng
Chao. Now LPDR communist is Peng chao and currupted billions of moneys
into the World Bank.
If you love the poor Laotian. Stop giving your pledge to LPDR. When
your moneys gone, they would kill you just like the 3 yang brothers
from minnesota.
One day in the future Gods shall send terrible lucks to LPDR & Vietnam
by breaking all the corrupted Dams to trash them all into the
Vietcong's Sea.
Bee Houa Chaofa you belong to terrorist group and you are the traitor
to not just Laos but also to your old Hmong people . Shame on you .
PXL4LIFE.
> Those people you met in Duang muang are not really Hmong. They are
> traitors who just broke their vows with their spouses and went to look
> for pleasure in Laos. If they were so love the peoples why did they
> spent at least 2 years with the LPDR in Phalak to monitor the
> retunrnees? No matter what LPDR claims today. They are not the
> orignal Pathet-Lao that form by Lor Fang Dang, Sithoun Khoumadan, and
> Souphanouvong years ago. The orignal platform was Pa xa xoun peng
> Chao. Now LPDR communist is Peng chao and currupted billions of moneys
> into the World Bank.
>
> If you love the poor Laotian. Stop giving your pledge to LPDR. When
> your moneys gone, they would kill you just like the 3 yang brothers
> from minnesota.
>
> One day in the future Gods shall send terrible lucks to LPDR & Vietnam
> by breaking all the corrupted Dams to trash them all into the
> Vietcong's Sea.- Hide quoted text -
Porsiew Vann,
It is Pao's inability to see the glass half full vs the glass half
empty that makes it hard for him to be accepted. He does not have the
"spirit of cooperation". He said he has help ready for Ban Phalak,
but ONLY at his terms. He said "after all, nothing is for free".
He was shown pictures of Hmongs being helped but he only sees the
"glass half empty" part of that. When shown a picture of a brand new
well, he complained that the villagers weren't getting bottled water.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/phalak/2217649159/
When shown pictures of villagers eating together, he complained of
having to share spoons. When told that anyone can visit ban Phalak,
he wants a red carpet treatment. He complains that he is not allowed
to help the Hmongs of Phalak, but he hasn't lifted one finger to help
them when they were in Thailand.
Has he really done anything tangible when is comes to helping any of
these people? Has he visited the Hmongs in the camps Thailand? Has
he offered them clean water? Has he given them shelter? Has he built
them a school?
He hasn't earned the right to criticise how the Lao government is
running ban Phalak when he hasn't done one single thing to help. The
man is so out of touch with reality his shiiit don't stink anymore.
Pardon my French.
The way I see it is that he is more of a liability to the Hmong people
and to "reconciliation" than he is an asset. It makes me, and any
other half intelligent readers out there, question his intent.
Your friend,
Larry
Pa: you are sinner just like LPDR. I grew up and lived with Pathet-
Loa during my teenage's years . My parents supported Souphanouvong,
Kaisorn, Phoumy Vong Vichit, and Lor Fay Dang since 1944 until 1965.
My uncle donated 100 Silvers bars to purhsed Guns from Vietnam to
Pathe-lao. Two of my brothers died for the Pathet-lao cause. The
Pathet-lao platform was to free the Lao people from foreigner
domination. LPDR plan is begging from abroad and forcing Lao pepole to
become their slaver. You just wait when LPDR invade your heart & kill
your spirit then you will understand like Chao Xay is now hiding in
Switzerland and his older brother who got kill by LPDR in Xannua. They
were the Sons of Chao Souphanouvong and they still got kill. A plain
person just like you. It is easy For LPDR to kick your butt and trash
down to the ash like animals.
A plain person just like you. It is easy For LPDR to kick your butt
and trash
> down to the ash like animals.-
A plain person like me never has problem with LPDR because I am not
terrorist like chaofa bee houa .
PXL4LIFE.
vannasay,
International flights don't land in Done Moung Airport anymore. Are
you talking about 3 years ago or recently?
tz
International flights still use Don Muang, but not as frequently as
before. when congestion, safety, and other bad weather, flights are
still diverted from Suvarnabhumi Airport to Don Muang. My late flight
was diverted with a few other on that day.
Vannassay
thanouxay now diaspear . Why??? gone to canada to join his friends?
or thanouxay in big trouble?
havzoov