Cov py, leej twg ua los nyias yeej muaj nyias ib lub tswv yim
zoo...kav tsij ua.    Tam sim no xav pom thiab paub ces seb leej twg
yog tus yuav los coj tsev neeg Hmoob mus rau ib ruam rau txoj kev
tshav ntuj xwb os.  Niaj hnub no nej txhua tus qhov muag pom kev yeej
paub thiab pom hais tias Hmoob txom nyeem npaum cas lawm nev?   Pej
xeem Hmoob, ntseeg tau hais tias, feem coob yeej tos seb leej twg
thiaj yog tus cawm seej lawm.....?  Kev sib theev lub tswv yim yuav
tau muaj thiaj vam meej, tawm sis lub tswv yim xwb, nej cov qhov muag
pom kev txhob tawm tsam tus neeg.... yog thaum ib tug ua yog lawm, tim
tsum koj nej txhua tus lub qhov muag pom kev los nrog koom tes thiab
qhib nej lub tswv yim vam meej los ua kom tau ib txoj kev vam meej rau
tsev Hmoob taug.....

NTS

On May 17, 10:09 am, Born2beMhong <truelove_never...@yahoo.com> wrote:

born-- ytk tham xwb kuv ntsia twb txaus dhau hwv lawm.  koj tsis txhob
txawj txawj tham hyena ntxiv rau thiab tsam ib chim lion tawm tuaj ces
ho dhia tsis qhig ov mog haj..haj..haj...

yog nej sawvdaws tuaj tiag no kuv mam li caw koj kwv nomleej thiab
phwvnyawm neb txiv nomkhwb tuaj thiab es mam kom nws nqa 4-5 hwj cawv
tuaj ntxiv thiab peb thiaj tsoo khob muaj ceem nawb.  tab sis koj ces
kuv twb paub lawm, lam hais xwb yuav tuaj tsis tau vim thaum i koj twb
twv twv rau zeh tias koj yuav tuaj sib tw nrog zeh khiav liab qab ncig
tshav npas no tab sis koj rov nplab hlaub tuaj xwb ces zeh thiaj ua ib
siab tawm hauv sch no mus lawm tsis tuaj ntxiv lawm ne
haj..haj..haj...

Yawg hlob YTK thiab Yawg hlob Born,

On May 17, 8:09 am, Born2beMhong <truelove_never...@yahoo.com> wrote:

Ua cas es luag lwm tus tawm suab los yog ua tej yam twg no pheej
txhaum neb tas li ne. Senator of MN Mee Moua thiab Attorney Siab Lo ua
los txhaum, Diane Chang ua los txhaum, Dr. Suav hais los txhaum,
Thornsp hais los txhaum. Pab twg pawg twg ua dabtsi tiv thaiv Hmoob
ces txhaum neb tag tib si. Neb rau siab ntso thuam thiab cem luag lwm
tus tsw quav ntxiag tas li xwb. Ua li no, neb ua tau dab tsi tsheej
haj lawm thiab, los yog tseem tuaj npuas ncauj li koj kuv peb hauv SCH
no thiab xwb? Hahaha....

Thov ne 2 tug ua hlob, yuav coj peb kom ciaj haiv lawm tom ntej, hais
lus kom tuaj nruab nrab ntug me ntsis thiab yom os. Yawg hlob YTK ces
twb tsis kam qhia nws tus kheej li, tabsis tsawm luag tej mas phab mas
lis li. Yawg hlob Born los tib yam, tsis kam piav txog nws tej dej nwm
uas nws ua tau pub rau Hmoob li, tsuas tab haj thuam luag lwm leej lwm
tus tas li xwb. Sau ntawv mas aub yauj e...tsheej phab tsheej pheev
cuag dej nyab nras li. Tig sab twg los nws yeej nco ntsoov qhuas tias
nws mas tshajlij tshaj lwm leej lwm tus li.

Ntuj e...Ua cas nim yuav cuag rho nrig ntau av li os. Yog rho nrig
ntaus av ces leej twg los ham tsis ntaus raug tag li las mas, tab qis
muag ntaus twb raug nav.

Txawm hais tau sab neb zog lawm los, thov zam txim rau nyuag yaus tus
txuj qis thiab nawb.

Nyuag yaus TseemYeej.

Ib tsoom bojyaig Moob,

Kuv los xaam pum le Thorn..has hab vim Dr.Suav tsi yog tej tuab neeg
kawm nqev nqev es leej twg tsi paub tabsi yug yog ib tug Assistance
Professor es lus lug (  bausuav ) nuas yuav has tsi tau vim yug yog ib
tug educator mas yuav tsum refer tsua yaam kws muaj txuj cai xwb. Yog
bausuav nuas ce yog SAUB lawm es SAUB txhaj pw ua bausuav xwb.

Thanks,

MT

Kwvtij hmoob,

Tus Born yuav nrog sib tw khiav LIAB QAB yog Hnubkaj tsis yog Zhen
nawb.

Yawg hlob Thorps,

Tus col. hmoob Yaj Dr Suav  hais....... npe hu ua Vam Xeeb Yaj.

Hmoob ua plaub ces ua-ua tsis muaj chaw xaus ces thaum kawg ua li Dr
Suav Yaj hais xwb los mas.........MAM MUS HAIS PLAUB SAUM NTUJ.

Nej puas hnov Dr Suav zaj npau suav maj......Thaib yawg hauj SAM luam
Phob thiab cov hmoob raug khawb ntxa twb ua plaub nyob saum ntuj lawm
no ned.

Ntshai zaum no hmoob twb KWV PAIB nyob saum ntuj lawm thiab
lauj.......hmoob ces keej tib qhov kwv PAIB nkaus-s xwb.

Kwvtijhmoob, koj txhob twv2 kuv nyuag hlob Born thiab py Yingb nkawd
nawb.  Nyob rau MadCity yawg yog peb ib tug tij laug uas koom peb cov
kwv tij caiv plawv nrad kawg li thiab hos.  Yog kuv lam nyob MadCity
thiab txhob kos tau npe kawm ntawv lub caij ntuj so no mas kuv nrog
hlob Born nkawd tuaj kom koj pom peb cov me kwv tij...... qhov kuv
txhawj xeeb me ntsis ces tsam tuaj pom cov kwv tij coob tus, cov txiv
thiab tij laug lam muab hlob Born tso pw xwb yog nej yuav tsoo cawv
thiab npias nas...hahaha!

On May 17, 1:16 pm, phwvnyawm <phwvnya...@yahoo.com> wrote:

muaj ntau pab nyias hais nyias txoj kev mas thiaj yog tsis kam los taug ib txoj kev li ntag. ntshe nej xwb kuv ces tsam no zaum saib lawm xwb os. tsis yog hais tias sawv daws koom taug ib txoj kev. yog ntsib txoj kev tws los sib pab tho kom tau kev mus. txoj kev mus hla dej los sib pab ua phuaj hla. muaj kuj ha tob los ua choj hla. nyias xav taug nyias txoj ces mus mus kev tws ces zaum tsaws quaj xwb xa tho kev los ib/ob leeg xwb tho tho rian yaig ti nkaus ko los kev tsis tau tshab.

kaj tsij sib tw nyias mus nyias txoj kuv mam zaum no saib.

On Sunday, February 26, 2012 3:31:05 AM UTC-6, DownUnder posted to
SCH:

The National Hmong Grave Desecration Committee (NHGDC) remains as the
 ACTIVE body to work to find a final solution to this tragedy in
 THailand.  Since 2001, NHGDC has been carried out fundraising to get
 $200,000  as a capital in preparation to work with the Government of
 Thailand. So far, the target is not yet me.
 So please contribute any $ you can..talk to your Hmong business
 friends to contribute - any amount is welcome.

 As the work before us is urgent,NHGDC has asked the Hmong Advocacy
 International Services (HAIS) to assist in their quest. As the
coordinator of HAIS-OZ, I believe that this one noble project as HAIS-
 Thailand had been very active at the onset of this problem. At that
 early stage, HAIS-Thailand, after compiling all the information and
 consulting with our Hmong-Thai lawyers, a proposed legal action was
 considered but due to the lack of funding, it was not possible to
 launch that legal action.

 But HAIS-Thailand and THai-Hmong Lawyer group remain ready to assist
 any action that concern with Thailand.

 HENCE, I like to see all the Hmong around the globe to get behind
 NHGDC or to set up their own organization to work together with the
 existing Hmong org esp NHGDC to solve this problem.

 NHGDC and HAIS have been considering a United GLOBAL STRATEGY to be
 mounted by all the Hmong from 4 corners of the globe at once -
 coordinated - to solve this problem for once and for all.

 Over the years, lots of works have been done  by the NHGDC and other
 organizations around the USA and they have been having dialogue with
 the UN, Government of Thailand, US Embassy in Bangkok, the Chinese
 Foundations concerned and the Thai local Governor to find a lasting
 solution for this problem. Many proposals have been considered.

 Hence I call upon every Hmong around the globe to come on board, by
 providing ideas, time, energy and donation so we can mount a GLOBAL
 ACTION from Hmong in every countries in the West to end this tragedy
 of the Hmong in Thailand.

 I count on ALL YOUR support in any shape or form.

 I have attached a Youtube Video Documentary of the exhumation of
Hmong  graves in Wat Tham Krabok. Please be advised of the strong
graphics
in this video and may not be suitable for everyone. Please contact
NDHDC
 if any one of you need Brochure and DVDs of this video.

 http://savetubevideo.com/?v=Z1fufl92z0A
Additional notes: Please refer to Dr Shoua YTahg & Diane Chnag Youtube
video for more update.

 As for funding contribution, please contact Yang Fundraising
Committee
 Chair, NHGDC:
 shawnyang09 at gmail.com.

ADDITIONAL NOTE:  We only need to contribute $10/.person. Or just $5/
person... IF worse to worse... Just give $1/person/year for the next ,
3, 4 or 5 years.  Is that NOT IMPOSSIBLE??

 Contact for HAIS-Oz:
 Mr Moualy Mouanoutoua
 moualeemouanoutoua at yahoo.com.au

 du

http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.hmong/msg/73e547008b6bbb56
DownUnder
         More options Feb 27, 4:27 pm
It is all about Hmong!!
In my little book, "The Root & the Fruit - Hmong Identity", I have
outlined what consitutes part of being "Hmongness".

On addition, to our Hmong gene, speaking Hmong, Hmongness means that
we CARE about one another. This CARING covers THREE groups of people:
1. CARE for the LIVINGS: Yus tsev neeg, yus kwv-tij neejtsa thiab
txhua tus Hmoob.  Thaum mub peb nyob ntuj qubqab, kuv tseem nco
ntsoov, kuv thaug kev pog tim Hoeueikhininh (near Muag Souei) tuaj mus
rau Phakhao. Tuaj dhau Ban Na xwb ces tsaus ntuj lawm. Kuv thiaj kuv
tijlaug ub tab tom tuaj txog ib lub zov Hmoob. Ib tsev Hmoob cia li
kom ub los pwb hauv lawv tsev tso vim tsaus ntuj lawm. Lawv muaj mov
rau ub noj tag, pua chaw rau wb pw. Sawv los, tseem ua tshais rau wb
noj, ntim wb ib pob su thiab wb mam sawv kev tuaj Phakhao. This is
WHAT is what I mean BEING HMONGNESS is all about.

2. CARE for the DEADS: Yus yug los ua ib tug Hmoob, yuv yuav tau CARE
rau yus tej members uas tau tag ib sim neej lawm. Tsis yog tias tuag
lawv ces yuav tso po-tseg...NO..NO...  Yus ib tus neeg tuag lawm, yus
yuav tau ua lub nteev kom phim nws, xav nws mus kom txog pojyawg tswv-
txoob (Cov Xtian ces yuav tsum xav mus kom txog Vajtswv).  Tsis tag li
no xwb, yus yuav tau nrhia ib thaj chaw kom zoo rau tus tuag, saib
memtoj kom muaj nqi zoo rau cov tub, cov ntxhais nyob tom qab.  Yog
lub ntxa pua me-ntsi xwb, yus yuav tau ua neeb mus kho ntxa - ib thaj
neeb yuav siv ib tug Npua loj, ib thaj neeb yuav tau ntiav tus txiv
neeb txog li 12 hla nyiaj mas luag thiaj kam ua. Vim kev ua neeb mus
kho ntxa no mas tseem ceeb heev rau tus tuag thiab rau cov tseem muaj
siav nyob. Tus Txiv Neeb yuav tau mus haiv ib ncig nws tej vajtsev,
mus Xab nws vaj nws tseb thiab mus kho memtoj thoob pawg, mus tsa nws
rooj noj rooj haus , rooj nom rooj tswv ect... so it is a complex
issue.. but all this has to be done BEFORE any thing can be done to
that grave.

FURTHJERMORE, thaum tus tuag lub cev tseem nyob, nws ib cov ntsuj-plig
tseem nrog tus tuag nyob kom txog hnub uas nws lub cev lwb tag, ua av
thag du lub lawm, tsis tshuav dabtsis li lawm, tej ntsuj plig mam li
mus thawj-thiab tau.  Lino, thaum Thaib muab Hmoob cov ntxa khawb, nws
ua rau tej ntsuj-plig tsisi mauj chaw nyob, tsis muaj vaj tsis muaj
tsev, tej n tsuj-plig qhuab tag hnub tag hmo, yuav nyob los tsis muaj
chaw, yuav mus los tsis tau txog caij vim tus khauj-khaum tus tuag
tseem nyob ntawd,,, ua rau tej ntsuj-plig qhuab nyuav, ts=ag hnub tas
hmoo... yuav ua kev looj-koov t=rau tej mentub menyaum, xeeb-leej xeeb-
ntswv mus ntau tiam..

Liino, thaum Thaib mus muab Hmoob cov ntxa tim Thaiteb khawb mas yog
ib
qhov UA TXHAWM (VIOLATION) loj tshaj npaws nyob hauv ib tug Hmoob lub
neej.

This is the GREATEST Violation of of our Hmong way of life of caring
for
our loved ones. Nothing can be more gross, more grave than disturbing
our loved ones graves.

IF this happen when we were still living in Laos, Hmoob yeej yuav ua
plaub thoob tebchaws. So, let it be UNDERSTOOD the GROSS violation
that were happening to the hmong by digging our loved ones's graves in
Thailand!!!

3. CARE for the NOT YET TO BE BORN... This is also related to the
burial sites of our loved one.  Leej twg los yeej mus nria kom tau
qhov mejtoj zoo rau yus cov me tub me nyuam - ob tug tib sis. This is
also a matter of great importance. As I have mentioned once before,
thaum ub, peb muab peb yawg Xaivkaub cov mu tso qhov chaw zoo kawg
tabsis ho tso rau pem toj Lauj Khiabtoom lub ntxa lawm.  Lauj Kiabtoom
tsev neeg tseem tsis zoo siab, ua plaub nrog peb tsev neeg tib si.
This is all about doing the best, caring for those yet to be born, as
part of the Hmong believe & practice over the past 5000 years.

In CONCLUSION, the grave desecration in Thailand is one of the
GREATEST violation of the Hmong way of life and those actions cannot
be left unresolved. Even those, it had happened in 2005 but progress
has been steadily moving ahead toward a satisfactory solution. The
first phase has been completed - that the Thai government has given
the undertaking that NO Hmong graves in THailand will be disturbed in
the future.

Now.. we are seeking the SOLUTION - for the two Thai Foundations to
re-
burial of all the remains in accordance with the Hmong religious
practices.

Now as we are moving to the final phase, I call upon all the Hmong
around the globe to combine force to mount a GLOBAL action to settle
this GREATEST violation for once and for all.

This is for ALL the Hmong.

Final NOTE:

NB: Tej haujlwm no tsis yog kev yuav ua kom tau ntse tau muag, tau
phlu lis tej tus SCH tau haus tawm hauv no.

This is a HMONG CAUSE that need to be solved once and for all.

The ONLY difficulty that I envisage is that (1) there are many groups
of Hmong who have worked very hard on their own, based on their own
PLAN of ACTIONS.

(2) So far, there has NOT been a ONE VISION - lub Homphiab for all
Hmong to work toward. THIS MUST BE our TOP PRIORITY NOW to formulate
ONE GLOBAL VISION only.

(3) The Hmong in each countries are working on their own plan - there
is NO COORDINATION from all the Hmong in different countries,

(4)  LAST and MOST IMPORTANT.... we NEED to have ONE GLOBAL
ORGANISATION ONLY... and

(5)we must STOP using the word HMONG only

because we do not have a country, we are only a group of people who
are CITIZEN of many countries around the globe. So STOP using the word
HMONG only... WE MUST change our paradigm - take on a NEW approach,
using our GREATEST resource that is there for our disposal to use!!!.

( 6)^) WE must START using the wording such as - HMONG_AMERICAN
Orgnaisation, Hmong-OZ Organisation, Hmong-France org, Hmong-Canadian
Org ect...

(7) We must use our RIGHT as CITIZEN of our adopted countries, using
our respective government as our platform, use our Gov resource for
our cause.. use our Tax money to carry our causes..

Once we have this shift or paradigm, then only then, we will have a
platform to stand on, we will have the plentiful resource to draw
on... and we will call upon our elected government to be our
VOICE...this is the time that we are EXERCISING our RIGHT as citizen
of our respective countries...

REMEMBER... we are NO LONGER just a group of hill billy Hmong - not
any more... we are NOW CITIZEN of some of the most powerful countries
on this earth...SO.. it is TIME to FLEX our muscles and STAND UP, be
HEARD and be NOTICED and let the world know that the Hmong of the 1st
century can NOT be bully as it was in the past.

I am ready to stand up... play my part as I can, with what I have, as
an Oz Hmong.

So.. what about YOU??  Plese send in all your  positive comment.
We need to be part of he SOLUTION... NOT part of the problem!

DR Pao Saykao ...

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My ol flien doctawm pov,

On May 17, 12:44 pm, DownUnder <drpaosay...@gmail.com> wrote:

Regardless you are ready or not, just don't switch the original topic
into your own. You have been stealing someone else show for too many
times.

I'm sick of that kind of behaviors!

Yor ol flien TseemYeej.

On May 17, 11:49 am, TseemYeej <tseemy...@gmail.com> wrote:

TseemYeej,

Noob nom aw!! tsi txhob lam xav xav tsej nkhuj nkhoob hais luag tej li
ko os, kuv tsi tau thuam lawv ib qho qhov twg uas lawv hais ua yog
lawm es kuv hais lawv nawb, tej uas kuv hais lawv twb yog lawv cov
txawj cov ntse uas twb tau ua yav tag dhau los thiab cov uas tseem tab
tom ua mus ntawd, tab txawm leej twg mus hais los tsuas mus hais tib
qhov qub num li tus uas xub xub mus hais qog qhia ua ntej lawm thiab
xwb no ne. 9 pab 10 pab los mus hais tib qhov num xwb no ces thiaj
hais lawv, tej li lawv ua no puas tau yog ib txoj hauv kev zoo haum
raug raws li koj siab lawm los puas yog. Tsuas pom Hmoob es thiaj ua 9
pab 10 pab los puav leej mus sib txeeb hais tib qhov dej num tas li
ntawd, yog ua no luag neeg UN tseem mloog thiab mas ntshe tsi tag tuaj
mus muag khoom hauv khw los yeej tau nyiaj noj lawm os.

Kuv tsuas hais tias cov txawj txawj ntse ntse uas yuav ntau thawj rau
peb Hmoob ntawd, yuav tau los sib koom ua ib ke ua tib pab kom muaj ib
lub zog loj mus hais thiaj sawv taus, thiab thiaj muaj phaj tshab
txaus rau tus yuav mus ntauj kev, hais li no los tseem yog thuam lawv
thiab raug rau koj tus ua nyuag yau lawm ntag.

Mee Moas, Siab Lauj mus hais tib qhov plaub khawb ntxa ua ke rau tim
thaib teb, tej no puas tsim nyog ua li ntawd thiab? Seng Xiong twb
muab sau ua ib txoj cai hais txog Thaib khawb Hmoob ntxa coj mus txog
rau UN lawm, tus muam Diane Chang lawv los tseem ua mus tib qhov num
rau tim UN thiab, Dr. Shoua Yang los kuj piav txog tias qhov thaib
khawb Hmoob ntxa zaum no yog Thaib yuam txoj cai hauv neeg ntiaj teb
lawm thiab. Yog li tag nrho cov  muaj npe saum lawv puav leej mus hais
tib txoj cai uas Thaib khawb Hmoob ntxa thiab xwb no koj tus ua nyuag
yau xav ne puas tsim nyog cia nyias mus hais nyias zaj tswv yim li
ntawd rau luag no zoo dua lov, los koj tus ua nyuag yau xav tias yuav
tsum yog sawv daws los sib koom ua ke ua ib pab mus hais mas luag
thiaj ntseeg peb Hmoob no los li cas? Koj twb hnov tus muam Hmoob Tsab
hais tias UN yuav kom lawv los hais Hmoob kom Hmoob kos tau 70 txhiab
lub npe mus rau UN no, qhov no twb yog UN xav paub saib Hmoob puas tau
sib koom siab ua ib ke lawm los tsi tau xwb.

Koj ua nyuag yau kuj soj ntsuam saib peb cov Hmoob txoj kev ua dej num
rau Hmoob txhua fab xws li Kas Moos ua teb chaws los muaj 10 tawm pab
mus hais tib lub hom phiaj, tib txoj ncauj ke, tsuas yog nyias ua
nyias ib pab kheej mus hais xwb, ua li ntawd yog zoo lawm los tsi
zoo , hais txog kev mus hais toj ntxha raug thaib khawb los muaj txog
5 pab mus hais thiab, kuj zoo sib xws nkaus li cov ua kas moos, sawv
daws ua ntau pab mus hais tib qhov kev khawb toj ntxas li ntawd, koj
xav ne yuav yog ua li sawv daws ua los no thiaj yuav tau noj los li
cas, los yog yuav cia kav liam tsi tas ua li, los yog yuav cia nyias
ua nyias li ntawd kom ib leeg ho tau me ntsis nyiaj siv.

Kev hais lus yog tsi sau ntau es yuav cas hais tas tej lus phem thiab
zoo rau hauv, koj twb yog neeg txawj ntawv koj kuj xyuas luag tej phau
ntawv seb tuab npaum cas thiaj hais tas luag tej lus rau hauv phau
ntawv.

YTK

Unko Tseemyeej aws,

tej yam nuav miv miv xwb os--yog tsi muaj cov neeg hais ncaj ncaj li
Born no ces leej twg los pheej khav thiab hais tau ntau ntau thiab
xwb.  yuav tsum muaj cov neeg ua tham lus tu nrhawv nrho li
Born2beHmong no kiag thiab.  li ntawd, cov neeg ua nyiam nyiam tham
lus no thiaj li tau ceev nws thooj me faj thiab yuav hais dabtsi los
thiaj li coj TSWB rawv nrog nws mas lod.

Yog koj tsi cias cov ua hais tau thiab ncaj nraim thaum peb tuaj tham
li hauv tej Forum li no thiab tej Meeting ces cov neeg khavtheeb thiab
hais lus ntau ntau ntawd lawv nyiam nyiam tham lus kawg kiag
ned....koj puas paub, koj me tub Born mas nws mus zaum lub rooj
Meeting twg lawm ces cov neeg tham lus ntau ntau li no--lawv yeej tsi
kab hais ib los lus li ntag nawb.  vim leej twg hais ntau, ces nws DOV
CAV kiag li nws rov rov rau tej nyuag Forum li no ces ua nws tws lus
nrho xwb ces leej twg los tuaj ces yeej hais qhov yog yog thiab zoo
zoo xwb....yog Born zaum hauv tej Meeting lawm ntag ces yeej tsi muaj
leej twg lam tham lus ntau ntau thiab tsheej pab tsheej pheev li ntag
nawb...hahahhahaa LOLz!

Kwvtijhmoob,

yog li tijlaug Phwvnyawm hais lawm nawb, tsi yog Zhen hos yog Hnubkaj
nawb...vim Hnubkaj lawv yog me nyuam ntxhais NOM ces thaum Born yuav
kom khiav LIAB QAB ncig July 4th, ces Hnubkaj cias li chim kiag thiab
npau kiag khiav lawm tus yees tiag ned.  haahahahaha LOLz...hos peb
cov me nyuam neeg no xwb ces txawm khiav puas tsawg zaus los peb tsi
nrov npe qhov twg tuaj li nawb, Npawg Kwvtijhmoob....LOLz!

hos hais txog qhov koj yuav caw kuv me kwv Nomleej thiab unko Nomkhue
nkawv tuaj mas--tsam tsi phim kuv me tijlaug Phwvnyawm thiab lawv coob
tus ua yuav thaum sibtham li cov neeg nyob Lycee lawm ned. vim kuv
nyuag Unko Nomkhue thiab Nomleej no mas--luag npav lub Qaug nkaus
xwb.  yog koj coj tuaj ces tag hauv ris li ntag hod...yeej tham tsi
tau dabtsi tseemceeb li ntag nawb....smiles and LOLz@Kwvtijhmoob.

Neegtojsiab aws,

koj ntshai tej no ua dabtsi naj....Kwvtijhmoob ces lam ua ncauj
puamsuavkhawv xwb...hahahhaaa LOLz!  li tijlaug Phwvnyawm hais os, cov
neeg no mas ntshai yus tshaj ntshai dab lawm thiab--yeej tsi kam tawm
los sibfwm ntsej fwm muag li os nawb.  kawg kuv twb mus lub funeral
home hmoob Vwj 2 zaug no--npaj siab qees yuav mus nrog Kwvtijhmoob
tham thiab haus ib me kho beer sibzeem no--nws twb tsi pom nws ntshiab
qhov twg.  cov no mas lam hais li koj ua kwv xwb nawb....LOLz!  yeej
tsi lam kam tawm kiag li tijlaug Yingb thiab tijlaug Phwvnyawm peb li
nawb....LOLz!

kuv mas, txiv ntxawm Sayassith (Choj), Dr Gary Yia, Txiabneeg,
YuePheng thiab coob tus no mas kuv tus Born no mus Tuav kiag Tes thiab
qhia kiag tias...tus ua cem cem nej thiab nthe nthe nej ces yog kuv
ntag nawb...no ntag hov.....hahhahahaa LOLz!

yog zaum tag no, kuv nqi mus Sactown ces kuv twb mus Noj Fawm nrog kuv
me Unko Tseemyeej lawm nawb...hahahaha LOLz!

Born2beHmong

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My ol flien...et. al...

Just for your information, when this issue started, I was among the
the first person (Mon, 7 Nov 2005 ) to organise a group (our Thai
chapter of HAIS) to  investigate as the digging was happening. After
our investigation, our Thai team, include a Hmong Thai lawyer, made
the recommendation to the US-based group (on Friday, 11 November 2005
23:08) to take what we considered to be the most EFFECTIVE action to
STOP the digging. But our recommendation was NOT taken... so the
digging continued - as we know that it is now history.

Recently, I was asked to come on board as an Advisor to the National
Hmong Grave Desecration (NHGD) since I was some of the few first
people involved at the beginning, so I accepted the invitation - and I
am trying to assist as I can by connecting NHGD to our Thai Hmong
group, including a  Hmong Lawyer in Thailand who is willing to assist
NHGD in Thailand.

As it stands now, things are going according to plan BUT we need
funding and petition as Diane Chang has said.  All are going well BUT
if thing goes off tract, for any reason, NHGD has no choice but to
take some drastic move.

Many scenarios have been discussed but when the time comes, NHGD will
have no choice but takes the NEXT best move for the Hmong globally....
and I would ask that if that drastic ACTION has to happen, I love all
Hmong to stick together - for the betterment of all the Hmong
globally.

du.

On May 18, 6:35 am, TseemYeej <tseemy...@gmail.com> wrote:

My ol flien doctawm pov,

On May 17, 6:43 pm, DownUnder <drpaosay...@gmail.com> wrote:

Me not asking for yor information, me telling you to stop stealing
someone else topic. That's all me have said! Me using e-z language not
too hard for a doctor to understand.

Yor ol flien TseemYeej.

Dr Pao oz,

koj yog ib tug Board nyob hauv lawm thiab--kuv xav kom txhob tham lus
ntau ntau es koj piav kiag nej qhov strategies ua yuav ua ntxiv no
thiab nej cov steps tom ntej no kiag xwb.  piav very simple and define
rau peb mloog xwb.  dhau kiag qhov no, peb thiaj li paub yuav pab
tswv8 thiab tswv9 thiab nyiaj txiag.

yog tham lus ua phab ua pheev li no xwb...ces zoo li tej lau thaum ub
tham xwb....thaum kawg, peb yuav plam tagnrho ib puas yam tsav duas
xwb.

thanks in advance,

Born2beHmong

On May 18, 9:13 am, Born2beMhong <truelove_never...@yahoo.com> wrote:

born-- diane chang twb hais meej lawm.  yog koj xav paub lawv cov
strategies ces mus mloog diane cov lus nram qab no xwb.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pu1ulGI2IkM&feature=relmfu

koj nug ntau txog lawv lub detail plan thiab strat mas lawv yuav kaw ncauj tsis pub koj pom/hnov li lawm os. lawv yuav nrog koj tham ntau mas yog koj txhob muab daim check 500 tabsis yog koj cev 5 daim ntsuab ntsuab. koj daim check 500 mas hmoob ceeb ceeb lawm os vim kuv kiag twb mag  ntau daim check bounce nram bank. thaum kuv niam tuag es hmoob tuaj pab nyiaj tom tsev dab qhuas. donation nrog check mas tsis txhob cia siab lawm os.

Yawg hlob YTK,

On May 17, 2:18 pm, Yaj Tshaj Koob <mutant_l...@yahoo.com> wrote:

Hahaha...Ib tug neeg muaj kev npau suav loj npaum ko, xav pheej kom
Hmoob muaj HAIV es ua cas yuav tais caus ua luaj ko naj? Yog xav ua
tus thawj mas hais lo twg yog lo ntawd mas thiaj li paub. Yog hu luag
ua Noob NOM mas muab kom taus nyiaj hnub nyiaj hli rau luag noj ntag.
Hos ho xav hu luag ua Noob DEV no mas yus txawm yuam kom tau luag
"tsej nkhuj nkhoob" ntag no mas yus thiaj yuav pheej taus HAIV nawb.

Yawg hlob awd...Ib rab qeej yeej yuav tsum muaj ntau ntiv thiaj nrov
zoo mloog las sav. Txawm yuav mus 9 pab 10 pawg los tsuav mus ua Hmoob
lub luag hauj lwm xwb ces zoo-oo kawg lawm las mas. Koj sim ua twb zoo
xav saib maj, thaum ub yawg hlob vp nej mus ntau ThoobHaimHim ne, nej
tog phaj2 mas sau nthwv qas Hmoob, qas Nplog Qabteb, qas Thaib
Dubncaug tuaj tsheej tiaj. Hos tog AibNoob ces hmo ntuj mam tso 2-3
tug nyuag tuaj tsuj kev mus-s los-s ua kev lwj ntsuav cuag cas. Nruab
hnub rov mus nkaum hauv qhov taub tag lawm, tos-s tsaus ntuj ntais mam
rov mus ua zaj qub dua. Kajntug taig kis, nej mus lajtabvees pom hneev
taw log laig cuag muaj Nyablaj tsheej koosphoo tuaj lawm, nej ib tug
hem ib tug ces cia li poob plig tag thiab xam kev khiav lawm xwb ne.
Lawv zov qoos-s, thaum phom nrov doog diaj ces ua nws Thaib, Nplog
Hmoob NabYub suaj kaum kiag. Tshuav nej cov Hmoob XeevKhuam rov los
yam xiam npiab tsawv xwb.

Kev siv TomTxwv no mas luag yeej siv tau noj los lawm tis kaus yaig
nawb, yog li no, yus los yuav tau thau yus tej TomTxwv los siv thiab
thiaj muaj yeej hov.

Hahaha...Yawg hlob awd...nyuag yaus xav mas ntshe 1 txiaj kub yuav
muaj nqis dua 1choj nyiag no nav. Txawm sau ntawv tsheej phab tsheej
pheev los yuav yog sau muaj paus muaj ntsis thiaj siv tau nav.

Yawg hlob Born,

On May 17, 2:17 pm, Born2beMhong <truelove_never...@yahoo.com> wrote:

Yog yus taw 1tug ntiv tes rau luag ces 3nti yeej taw rov rau yus thiab
ov. Nyuag yaus xav mas yog luag tej hais tsis haum yus siab, tsis tas
cav kom muaj yeej muaj swb, cia li xuas kab twj ywm rov los zov TV
hauv tsev xwb ntshe yuav zoo dua no. Nyuag yaus li mas, yav tag los,
tej thawj coj koom haum uas nej tham-m dhau los hauv SCH no, tsis hais
Hmong New Year, NHGDC, los tej 411 los sis UNPO etc.. yeej tuaj ntsib
nyuag yaus thiab mas. Tabsis, nyuag yaus li ces, txawm txaus siab
thiab tsis txaus los yeej tsis ua suab li. Yog leej twg ho tham ntev
zog tsis txawj mus los nyuag yaus tsuas cev ntsivquav rau kom qhua
tshwjxeeb ho zoo sawv kev mus no xwb. Poob tsawg zoo dua poob ntau
laiv.

Hais tsis yog lo twg thov zam txim rau nyuag yaus thiab.

 Nyuag yaus TseemYeej.

On May 18, 9:41 am, kwvtijhmoob <kwv...@aol.com> wrote:

Kwvtijhmoob,

yog hais li Diane Chang hais xwb ces kuv mus pw zoo zoo lawm xwb tiag
hod.

vim tias, yus tej pobtxhas xwb los yus tseem yuav tau rho nyiaj rov
qab mus yuav los mas luag thiaj li kam rau yus no ned--tusiab ua luaj
li...nothing else Diane said, that i had not known of..brother!

rov mus yuav cov txa ntawm 200 tus neeg yog 200,000$ yuav tau ces mam coj mus nrhiav chaw tshiab faub ib qho chaws 1,000$ ces rov ntxiv 200,000$ hmoob mas yuav them ib zaug 200,000 $ puas tsawg zaus ntxiv na? qhov ntawd twb tsis yog tas nrhov cov lawv khawb lawm. lawv khawb lawv ntau tshaj 200 tus 200 tus neeg cov txha tsuas yog cov thaum hmoob qw qw lawv khawb tas lawv tseg tau  200 tus tsis thauj mus ua lawv li num. khaws cia rov muag rau hmoob xwb. cov lawv tsis tseg mas tseem yuav yog 3-4 npaug ntawm 200 tus.

kaj tsij pos muag quaj nrov nrov xwb os hmoob aw. nej ces tas li ntawd xwb os.
mag lawv muab caum tua tas tsis txaus lawv muab khawb tuam tuag lawm. tsam no ces kom them nyiaj 200,000 $ rau tej yam zoo li yuav them tsis paub kawg.

--idnk

On May 18, 3:38 pm, idonotknow ¨pheej hmoo¨ <mih...@gmail.com> wrote:

Cov phoojywg,
Hmoob tham txog cov ntxa tom Thamkrabot heev ua luaj, ua li cas tsis
hnov leej twg mention txog cov ntxa tom Vinai li? Raws li kuv pom
video, cov ntxha nyob rau zos Vinai los yeej raug khawb tag lawm.
Tsuas tshuav cov uas luag tsis pom lawm xwb.

Thaum thajtsam 1982-83 ntawd, luag tuaj tshom kev thiab tshom quas
tsev (Khej 5/9), twb dawj tau Hmoob tej ntxa ua khaub hlab tawm liab
pes vog, thiab pob txha tawm dawb pes vog (first hand witness). Lub
sijhawm ntawd, Hmoob tseem ruam heev thiaj hais tsis tau ib lo rau
luag li. Yeeb vim li no, luag thiaj tabmeeg tuaj khawb Hmoob ntxa ua
ntu zus los txog rau lub zijceeb no.

Zag nuav txawv zag u lawm, Hmoob coj mus hais txog rau UN los yeej yog
ib qho zoo. Txawm hais tsis tau ib qho dabtsi los tsuav kom luag ntiaj
teb paub hais tias Hmoob no yeej tsis yog ruam ruam li yav tag los
lawm. Kom luag yuav ua ib yam dabtsi rau Hmoob los lawv xav ib zaug
ntxiv tso mam ua ces twb zoo lawm.

Hais txog tej yam zoo li no, ib lub suab xwb yeej nrov tsis muaj zog.
Yim ntau lub suab ces yim nrov muaj zog xwb nawb. Txawm muaj kaum pab
mus hais rau luag los yeej tsis txhaum li mog. Yim muaj ntau pab mus
hais ces luag yim saib qhov issue ntawd tseem ceeb xwb nawb. Tabsis
xav kom sawvdaws ci qos ua ntej es mus hais TIB lo lus xwb luag thiaj
ntseeg thiab mloog raug peb mog.

HL

On May 18, 3:38 pm, idonotknow ¨pheej hmoo¨ <mih...@gmail.com> wrote:

PY idnk,
Yog mus hais tsis yeej es yuav costs Hmoob txog tsheej 1-2 puas txhiab
los yeej yuav tau sib pab them li nawb. Qhov loj yog Hmoob lub npe
thiab Hmoob kablis kevcai xwb. Yam tsawg tsawg los nws yuav yog ib qho
lesson rau Thaib thiab neeg ntiaj teb kom tsis txhob lam khawb Hmoob
ntxa ntxiv lawm.

HL

Koj, YTK cuab ntse kawg tag laiv yuam, tsis yog ntse xwb kuas koj mas
tseem tshaajlij kawg nkaus le hab! Koj tub paub has tas kuv nrug DYD
puab ua ib team ua dlejnum rua Nploglab nua mas koj khub los tsis yog
khoom quav qab dlub kag le lawm hab ov. Kuv txawm yuav ua haujlwm rua
leej twg los ntawd yog kuv dlej kuv num nwg yeej tsis txhum leej twg.
Yog vim le caag kuv ua dlejnum rua Nploglab xwb es hua yuav txhum koj
hab mas lov? Kuv noog mas muaj cov Moob tug puav moog cuag hab tuav
tes tau nrug tej numtswv Nploglab xwb mas koj txujsa tub yuav tu, yuav
tu txug teg le; yog koj tseem pum kag ntawm qhov muag hab tes kawg koj
sav tu dlo taam sim hov lawm xwb lauj. Ntawd yog luag dlej luag num
nas es caag xij yuav khib hab mob koj sab ua luaj le hov mas yawg?
Puag yog koj pum luag ua tau noj lawm es koj sa txhaj yaaj ntsis tu
nrawv nro le ko.  Tug tuab neeg lim ham mas thaum yug ua tsis tau le
luag ua lawm txhaj le nrhav tswv yim ha le u le nuav rua luag xwb. Yog
tas koj yog ib tug tuab neeg zoo mas txawm koj xaav tau rua nruab sab
los yeej tsis muab has tawm but you are a no man, no wonder you keep
shooting your own forehead.

Kuv txawm ntseeg tus twg, nyob tebchaws twg los tsis yog koj dlejnum,
tsuav yog Asmelikas pub kuv nyob xwb yeej tsis txhum leej twg. Koj nim
has cuag le koj koj tug tswv teb tswv chaw tswj lub tebchaws
Asemelikas nuav hab muaj authority zawm kuv rua ntawm koj xib teg. Xob
laam cuab ntse le tug ruag tua tsuv le ko, tej lug koj has ko has no
merit.

Yog koj tseem tsis tau paub qhov txawv ntawm tug tuab neeg vwm hab
tsis vwm sis txawv le caag tes tug tuab neeg vwm tes zoo le koj ntaag.
Vwm quas ntsuav, zoo le tug dlev vwm kws ncaaj twg kaug twg, txug twg
lawg twg. Tug tuab neeg twg has lug los txhum koj taag huv tuab si le,
koj tej lug tsis muaj ib lu yuav muaj positive le tsuas yog has lug
vwm nkaus nkaus xwb. Coj tug xeeb ceem le ko tes yog xeeb ceem vwm
ntaag ov.

Kuv tsis tau pum ib tug tuab neeg twg naj nub tuaj qw huv internet es
ca le muaj taug teb chaw tshab. Tsuas yog koj tuab leeg mas txhaj le
xaav tas tuaj tsej cuag tug dlev vwm quav ncaug sis nrug zig huv nuav
tes yuav muaj taus teb chaws xwb. Kuv nug koj has tas lub tebchaws twg
yog lub tebchaws tshab koj refer rua?

Kuv pom koj rab nriam mas muab ceem

Tsuav yog kuv hua moog raws tau nqaj rua Nplooglab tua kuas tau saaj
nplaig puav tes tub zoo, hua koj tes tsuas nov lub suab dlev poob phem
xwb qhov ncauj txhaj le tsis
lu roj txhaj ua rua koj nyob tsis tswm sav yuav tu ntaag.

Thaum cov hauv

Luag tau txais liam los vim luag muaj zoo txaj ntsim hab yog tuab neeg
ncaaj nceeg txaus rua numtswv Nplog lawm luag txhaj le tau es koj xij
khib ua dlaab tsi nas yawg! Tug tuab neeg cog yaam qoob zoo, nwg yeej
yuav tau sau yaam qoob hov rov lug kuas koj tes cog xuv paug xwb txhaj
le sau tau xuv paug xwb. Tug tuab neeg muaj evil kws always plan
violent activities txhaj le tsis tau txais liam los xob khib khib sab
mog. Yog xaav tau le ob tug tes kawg yuav tau mav mav xauj ob tug qaab
seb puas nov ob tug paus tswv xwb les es.

Xaav nug tas koj tej lug nyaj lug kub kws muaj tuab neeg coj moog puag
pw lawm nyob qhov twg naj? Tug tuab neeg xiam hlwb tsis muaj laaj kaam
ua naj nub tuaj tshev tug u tug nuav, luag ua zoo los txhum koj huv
tuab sis mas kuv saib tsis ntev nua kawg tau moog prescribe tshuaj
xiam hlwb noj tag tag le.

According to YTK “nws tsuas ua tau qhov uas dag nplog liab nyiaj noj
nkaus xwb”, yog kuv tub ua tau le nuav lawm tes kuj yog ua tau ib teg
num zoo heev rov rua nwg tug kheej lawm.  Ca kuv hua nug koj tas since
Thornspear ua tsis tau dlaab tsis rua Moob kuas nwg ua tau rua nwg xwb
nua es xaav nug koj seb  koj hua ua tau dlaab tsi hab maj? Qha seb koj
hua ua tau yaam dlaab tsi rua Moob lawm.  Yog has npaum le ko mas koj
yuav tsum ua tau ib yaam dlaab tsi tseem ceeb rua Moob lawm mas txhaj
muaj plus tuaj khaav txiv le ko, yog koj tub ua tsis tau quav dlaab
tsi hab es xij pheej yuav point finger luag lwm tuges koj tsis txaaj
koj ob lub qhov muag le lov?  Txawm yug tsis txaaj muag rua lwm tug
los yuav tau paub txaaj muag rov rua yug tug kheej. Tej zaag koj hlwb
ib nyuag qauj zog lawm xwb, kuv yeej tsis tau has tas nub twg tug
faajkhum laug qaug tes kuv, Thornspear yuav sawv nuav nav; kuv ncu mas
kuv tsuas has tas “Moob” txhaj yuav sawv taug nuav xwb. Lu lug “Moob”
nua tes yeej including koj YTK rua huv lawm hab yog tas koj paub tsis
txug nas.