Re: Hmong Grave Desecration -An Unfinished job- TO BE FINISHED by us all

[idonotknow]

On Sunday, February 26, 2012 3:31:05 AM UTC-6, DownUnder wrote:
> The National Hmong Grave Desecration Committee (NHGDC) remains as the
> ACTIVE body to work to find a final solution to this tragedy in
> THailand. Since 2001, NHGDC has been carried out fundraising to get
> $200,000 as a capital in preparation to work with the Government of
> Thailand. So far, the target is not yet me.
> So please contribute any $ you can..talk to your Hmong business
> friends to contribute - any amount is welcome.
>
> As the work before us is urgent,NHGDC has asked the Hmong Advocacy
> International Services (HAIS) to assist in their quest. As the
> coordinator of HAIS-OZ, I believe that this one noble project as HAIS-
> Thailand had been very active at the onset of this problem. At that
> early stage, HAIS-Thailand, after compiling all the information and
> consulting with our Hmong-Thai lawyers, a proposed legal action was
> considered but due to the lack of funding, it was not possible to
> launch that legal action.
>
> But HAIS-Thailand and THai-Hmong Lawyer group remain ready to assist
> any action that concern with Thailand.
>
> HENCE, I like to see all the Hmong around the globe to get behind
> NHGDC or to set up their own organization to work together with the
> existing Hmong org esp NHGDC to solve this problem.
>
> NHGDC and HAIS have been considering a United GLOBAL STRATEGY to be
> mounted by all the Hmong from 4 corners of the globe at once -
> coordinated - to solve this problem for once and for all.
>
> Over the years, lots of works have been done by the NHGDC and other
> orgnaisations around the USA and they have been having dialogue with
> the UN, Government of Thailand, US Embassy in Bangkok, the Chinese
> Foundations concerned and the Thai local Governor to find a lasting
> solution for this problem. Many proposals have been considered.
>
> Hence I call upon every Hmong around the globe to come on board, by
> providing ideas, time, energy and donation so we can mount a GLOBAL
> ACTION from Hmong in every countries in the West to end this tragedy
> of the Hmong in Thailand.
>
> I count on ALL YOUR support in any shape or form.
>
> I have attached a Youtube Video Documentary of the exhumation of Hmong
> graves in Wat Tham Krabok. Please be advised of the strong graphics in
> this video and may not be suitable for everyone. Please contact NDHDC
> if any one of you need Brochure and DVDs of this video.
>
> http://youtu.be/Z1fufl92z0A
>
> As for funding contribution, please contact Yang Fundraising Committee
> Chair, NHGDC:
> shawnyang09 at gmail.com.
>
> Contact for HAIS-Oz:
> Mr Moualy Mouanoutoua
> moualeemouanoutoua at yahoo.com.au
>
> du

tej no tshwm sim los lawm ntev ua cas tsam no twb tsis tau muaj ib lub ncauj ke li na yam twg los tseem yuav pib xwb. kuv xav tias ntev tsam no ntshe hmoob twb leg txoj num no mus deb lawm no.

[DownUnder]

Tej dej num no tsis yog yuav ua tau yoojyim vim peb Hmoob tawg mus
nyob rau ntau lub tebchawas ces kev ua haujlwm yeej tsis yoojyim li.


June progress report 2011:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zAPYMVn3e9Y&feature=endscreen&NR=1

du

[Yaj Tshaj Koob]

DU,

Hmoob ua cas yuav xav sib txeeb plhu ua luaj, nyias taus nyias tus twg
los yuav los tsa ib lub koom haum mus hais cov Hmoob cov Toj Ntxas
Hauv Thaab Kab Npuaj rau tim UN.

Ua li lub koom haum hu ua World Hmong People's Of Congress twb tau
muab cov Toj Ntxas Hmoob uas raug khawb lawm coj mus hais txog ntua
rau Hauv UN lawm tam sim no tsab cai daim ntawv xyuam phaj rau hauv UN
tseem nyob rawv rau tim UN tsi tau pov tseg.

Tus sau daim ntawv XYUAM PHAJ rau tim UN ntawd twb yog "Xeeb Xyooj"
yog tus ua ntag, yog li cas Hmoob ho tsi mus txhawb tsab ntawv ntawd,
es nyias ho tseem yuav ua nyias pes tsawg tus Hmoob sau Ntawv mus hais
rau tim UN es hais tib txoj num, thiab tseem yuav muaj pes tsawg lub
taub hau yuav khav txiv ua ntawv xyuam phaj rau tim UN ntxiv thiab.

Thaum Vaj Xyooj lawv ua tau lawv daim ntawv qog qhia xa mus txog rau
UN lawm UN yuav xav li cas, UN yuav xav tias ua cas Cov Hmoob No yuav
tsi sib koom siab li, twb muaj ib pab sawv cev Hmoob coj tuaj qog qhia
rau peb tag lawm ne, Cas tseem tshuav pab Hmoob no yog tib cov neeg
tuaj hais tib txoj kev khawb NTXA dua thiab xwb, thaum luag pom li
lawm luag UN yuav xav li cas rau peb cov Hmoob khav txiv khav ua plhu
li no.

Peb yuav tau los tshawb hais tias ua ntej peb yuav hais ib yam kev
tseem ceeb rau luag lwm haiv neeg xws li UN los si United State no mas
peb yuav tau nug peb tus kheej tias ua li tej hauj lwm khawb ntxa no
puas tau muaj tus Hmoob twg twb muab hais qog qhia rau lawv lawm los
tsi tau. Yog muaj lawm no peb pab mus tshawb seb daim ntawv sau mus
puas khov puas zoo txaus, tshuav qhov twg yuav tau ntxiv rau. Yog hais
tias tsi tau muaj ib tus Hmoob leej twg sau ntawv mus qog qhia rau
neeg ntiaj teb hlo li, es Vaj Xyooj yog tus tseem yuav lis cov ntaub
ntawv Khawb Ntxa ntawd mus xwb no mas thiaj tsim nyog yuav ua ntxiv
mus kom tiav rau Hmoob.

Thaum Xub thawj twb muaj Siab Lor, Mim Muas lawv mus sib txeeb hais,
nyias tau nyias ua plhu rau tim thaib mus sib txeeb hais kom tau ntej
muaj muag.

Qhov loj qhov yuav tau ntuj ntoo yog cas Hmoob tsi ua maj? qhov yuav
muab cov Toj Ntxas raug khawb no hais rau hauv Court ntiaj teb UN peb
yuav tau mus pab lub Koom Haum Congress Of World Hmong People's Rawv
Haiv ntawd ua kom peb Hmoob peem tsheej mus ua ib Haiv Neej Government
tso, ntawm rooj plaub khawb ntxa nyob nrog nraim peb tus tseem fwv lub
npe rau hauv UN, peb mam li muab rho los hais 1 xyoo tsi tag, hais 10
xyoo, hais hais mus txog rau Hnub yeej mam tsum.

Thaum Thaib yuav khawb cov toj ntxas Hmoob ntawd tsi yog Thaib yuav
nyiag khawb, thaib tab meeg khawb, thaib yeej tau kev tso cai hauv
thaib tus tseem fwv los khawb Hmob ntxa, yog Thai Government tso cai
pab thaib Suav no thiaj muaj cuab kav khawb tau Hmoob ntxa. Vaj Xyooj
hais tias thaib muaj ib txia tsi zoo los muaj ib txia yeej zoo thiab,
cov zoo tsuas yog cov nyuag taug nyeg caum Hmoob ua luam noj xwb, luag
tus tsoom fwv yeej ntxub Hmoob thiaj muab Hmoob ntxa khawb li ntawd.

Tsab Thai News ua ntawv tawm hais tias cov TOJ NTXAS Hmoob ntawd yuav
raug
khawb pov tseg, rau qhov muab cov neeg tuag FAUS RAU PEM LAWM, mas
muaj cov zej zog thaib nyob nram qab ib puag cig thaj tsam toj ntxas
ntawd
mas yuav lwj txheem ua dej mus rau cov thaib uas nyob ib cheeb tsam
ntawd hau, ces yuav ua kab mob rau lawv cov zos thaib ntawd mas yuav
tsum tau muab ntxuav "Clean" hais li. Yog hais tias cov Ntxa Hmoob
ntawd yuav txheem ua dej mus rau cov zej zog thaib li hais ntawd hau
es lawv tuaj 'Clean up' no ua cas thaum thaib khawb tau tus tuag lub
cev los lawm mas thaib yuav tsum muab cov kua lwj uas mus ntxaum av
ntau npaum li cas mas thaib yuav tsum yawm tib si coj mus hlawv los
sis faus rau tej thaj chaw ua neeg tsi nyob mas thiaj yog thaib Clean
kom huv ov.

Qhov thaib khawb Hmoob Toj Ntxas Zaum No thaib khawb tau lub cev neeg
tuag lawm ces thaib muab dej ntxuav cov txha huv huv, cov tseem tsi
tau lwj tag thaib muab tsaws li tsaws qaij puas kom cov nqaij laws tag
thaib muab dej yaug huv huv hliv rov rau hauv lub qhov NTXA qub ua
faus tus tuag, yog ua li no es puas yuav yog thaib tuaj Clean tu kom
huv maj, yog thaib tuaj khawb pob txha coj mus ua tshuaj noj, thaib
txov txo Hmoob xwb.Thaib yeej tsi tau hlub Hmoob ib qhov luaj ntiv
luaj rau li laus. Tej uas thaib pub Hmoob los so hauv thaib daim av,
ntawd yog ntiaj teb txoj cai neeg tawg rog txoj kev ib lub teb chaws
tawg los lawm yuav tau txais cov neeg ntawd, li ntawd thaib thiaj
txais peb sawv daws los ntawm ntiaj teb txoj cai xwb, tsi yog thaib
nim hlub hlub peb cov Hmoob, ntawm tej nyiaj tuaj pab rau tej yeej
tawg rog los tsi yog thaib li nyiaj, nws yog neeg ntiaj teb li nyiaj
tuaj rau hauv thaib, thiab li muab me me los yug sawv daws kom txhob
tuag xwb, qhov ntau thaib yuav lawm.

Yog li cas thaib clean Hmoob cov toj Ntxas kom huv no thaib ho tsi
clean Suav thiab thaib ntau lub Ntxa twb nyob thaj ntawd thiab nev,
Suav thiab Thaib cov kua lwj txawm tsi ua kua lwj txheem ua dej mus
rau thaib hau li ntag, thiab tsi ua kab mob rau thaib tej zej zog li,
tej lus thaib hais ntawd lam hais xwb,yog saib tsi taus lub ntsej muag
tsi sib koom tes li Hmoob nkaus xwb ma.

Hmoob yuav tau thim xav tias sawv daws tsi txhob nyias tau nyias sib
fuas plhu kom tau ntej muag rau yus tus kheej kom neeg qhuas yus, peb
yuav tau sib koom ua ke, ib tug ua lawm ces lwm tus txhob ua lawm,
tsuas mus txhawb qhov qub kom mus taus, seb mus txog qhov twg lawm, es
tseen khuam qhov twg yuav hais los sawv daws li tawm suab ua ke mus
rau txoj yog uas yuav yeej rau ib tsoom Hmoob thoob ntuj.

Yog Vaj Xyooj lawv tseem ua zaum no mus rau UN thiab ces Hmoob poob
ntsej muag zaum no txog txoj kev xav ua plhu ua kom tau ntsej muag.

Thaum i Mee Moua thiab Siab Lauj lawv twb ua ua rau Hmoob poob ntej
muag lawm, zaum no Vaj Xyooj rov pib loo qhov qub dua yog tib txoj kev
ua li Mee thiab Siab lawv ua ntag. TEJ KEV LUAG UA RAU HMOOB ZAUM NO
YOG
LUAG QHIA KOM HMOOB TXAWJ SIB HLUB, TXAWJ SIB PAB, TSI TXHOB NYIAS UA
NYIAS IB PAB NYUAG ME ME TSI MUAJ ZOG, pab twg los ua tib qhov, hais
tib qhov num, luag neeg ntiaj teb yuav luag yus cov neeg tsi muaj hlwb
li Hmoob nawb tsoom Hmoob.

YTK

[idonotknow]

lawv xav sib txeeb cia nyias ua nyias kuv ces tsis paub PAB tog twg lawm ces zaum nov saib xwb.

[idonotknow]

On Sunday, February 26, 2012 7:56:11 AM UTC-6, idonotknow wrote:
> lawv xav sib txeeb cia nyias ua nyias kuv ces tsis paub PAB tog twg lawm ces zaum nov saib xwb.

yog kuv muaj 10,000 no kuv yuav faib ib lub koom haum 1,000 kom txhua tas nrho tabsi tsuav zero lawm xwb. yog muab xav xav los muab 0/10 zoo li yog zero thiab xwb ne. zaum os kuv na.

HMOOB AW KAJ TSIJ RAU SIAB PAB IB LEEG $10.00 HMOOB USA MUAJ 300,000+ TUS CES YUAV TAU 3.000,000 LAWM PUAS TAU TXAUS FAIB RAU 10 LUB KAUM TSIS HAUM NA? TSHUAV HMOOB LWM LUB TEB CHAWS THIAB. PAB TIAG NAWB! KUV MAM NQA FOODSTAMP MUS PAB 500 VIM KUV MUAJ 5 TUG CES YOG LAWM. 5 5 5. OB PEB XYOO NO LAWV TXIAV TXIAV FOODSTAMP LOS TAU TSAWG KAWG LAWM XYOV PUAS KAM 500 STAMP RAU LAWV THIAB NEV COV NAM TSUV TUM TSIS KOOM SAB HOV NA.

SCH AW LEEJ TWG PAUB COV NUAV KOM LUG SIB SAU LOS SIB KOOM HAB LAUD COV NAM STUPID RUAG AW.

YOU GUYS ARE STUPID ....AMEN!

[Yaj Tshaj Koob]

On Feb 26, 4:16 am, DownUnder <drpaosay...@gmail.com> wrote:

DU,

Ua cas yuav tais caus ua luaj nej cov Dr. nas, koj tseem muab rho tawm
first post lawm thiab?

YTK

[DownUnder]

May be you got it mixed up some where. Kev pab Hmoob is the
responsibility of every Hmong individual and every Hmong organisation.
You are either be part of the SOLUTION or be part of the problem!

You either DO it or leave it for those who are trying to do it!
It is time to pass the cave men mentality such as you stated... Now it
is the time to come together to fight for the Hmong RIGHT as ib HAIV
neeg.

The Hmong Grave problem in Thailand is a gross violation of Hmong's
religious believe and we must do what we can to restore it. The Hmong
Advocacy International Services in THailand (HAIS-Thailand) and in OZ
(HAIS-OZ) have been active on this issue since day one (working hard
behind the scene - that you may not even heard anything until today!)
but due to the lack of funding that many actions have to be postponed
until today.

Likewise, over the years, many individuals and organisations,
inckludine those you mentioned, have done all they can... hence, now,
we need to build on what has been achieved thru and with the UN, US
government and Thai Government. Many people and orgnisations (like
HAIS) have also been working silently behind the scene. A lot has been
achieved but the satisfactory solution that we want is not yet bear
fruit... but it is getter closer, day by day.

So.. what I propose here is NOT to start afresh but it is the ongoing
process...it is what has been culminating to now... it is time to use
our combined action in the best possible way - hence we are
considering to combine force, to launch a GLOBAL ACTION...
participated by all Hmong in 4 corners of the globe and by all the
Hmong organisations in the West.

So, now it ts the time to jump on board to contribute idea, money and
time & energy or you can sit idle in silence- so not to distract those
who are trying to do something to solve this problem for good and for
all.

du

[Lawful CITZN]

> ...
>
> read more »

Dear Hmong brothers & sisters:

Below is the latest on the grave situation. All of the hard work
every Hmong or non-Hmong group or individual has done up to date is
being recognized by the NHGDC and one should feel proud about his or
her role. Your help whether it is made public or behind the scene and
continuing concern for this massive grave desecration tells us that
you are passionate about Hmong cause and would like to find an end to
it. However, there is much work to be done. I concur with some of
you that NHGDC alone cannot finish the job, but as a people we do need
a base to set our objectives. NHGDC is there so we can all come
together collectively.

Annex IX
Thailand: Exhumation of Hmong Graves at Wat Tham Krabok
THA 8/2010
1. In a communication of 17 December 2010, the Special
Rapporteur on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples, James Anaya, called
the attention of the Government of Thailand to information received
relating to the situation of the exhumation of Hmong graves at Wat
Tham Krabok which occurred in 2005. This matter has been the subject
of ongoing communications with the Government of Thailand, as
reflected in the Special Rapporteur’s 2008 and 2009 annual reports to
the Human Rights Council (A/HRC/9/9/Add.1, paras. 473-479; and A/HRC/
12/34/Add.1, paras. 404-429). In the absence of a response to his
communication of 17 December 2010 within 60 days as requested, the
Special Rapporteur sent another letter, dated 16 June 2011, in which
he reiterated his concerns about the situation and again invited the
Government to respond to specific recommendations. Subsequently, by a
note dated 11 July 2011, the Government of Thailand responded to the
Special Rapporteur’s communications. The full texts of the Special
Rapporteur’s communication of 17 December 2010 and the Government’s
response can be accessed from the electronic version of the joint
communications report (A/HRC/18/51), which is available on the web
site of the Human Rights Council.

The Special Rapporteur’s follow-up to earlier communications about the
situation

2. The Special Rapporteur’s letters of 17 December 2010 and 16
June 2010 follow up to earlier communications about the exhumation of
Hmong graves at Wat Tham Krabok in 2005 and resulting grievances of
Hmong relatives of the deceased. As expressed in previous
communications, questions exist about the reasons for the exhumation
of Hmong graves that occurred at Wat Tham Krabok as well as the level
of the involvement of the Government of Thailand in the exhumations.
In addition, ongoing information has been received about the continued
harm felt by the relatives of the deceased and the absence of any
action by the Government to remedy that harm.

3. According to information received, Hmong groups have
repeatedly sent delegations to dialogue with Government officials in
order to achieve a resolution of the pending issues concerning the
return of exhumed bodies. The relatives of the deceased Hmong and
members of the Hmong communities worldwide have made specific requests
to the Government of Thailand and Thai foundations in possession of
the remains of the exhumed bodies for what they would consider to be
an acceptable solution to their grievances.

These requests include that:
• The three Thai foundations (Phothi Phavan Songkhao, Buddha
Dahma and Wat Thamkrabok) return three petrified bodies they are
holding to the relatives of the deceased without cost;
• The three Thai foundations return the 691 bodies that were
confirmed by the Thai Ministry of the Interior to have been exhumed,
at no cost. This figure includes 211 bodies currently in Huilin
Cemetery and another 480 bodies that were originally falsely reported
to have been cremated;
• The Government of Thailand and the authorities of Wat Tham
Krabok allow the reburial of the 691 exhumed bodies at the original
temple site at no cost; and
• The Government of Thailand establishes a memorial park and a
monument at Wat Tham Krabok to commemorate the Hmong buried there.

4. In his letters of 17 December 2010 and 16 June 2011 the
Special Rapporteur referred to these requests and urged the Government
to give them special consideration, within a process of dialogue with
Hmong representatives aimed at resolving this situation.

Response of the Government of Thailand

5. In its response to the latest communications of the Special
Rapporteur regarding the exhumation of Hmong graves in Wat Tham
Krabok, the Government stated that, in principle, Thailand does not
have any indigenous people. The Government went on to state, however,
that given the importance Thailand attaches to cooperation with the
special procedures of the Human Rights Council, it appreciates the
ongoing efforts of the Special Rapporteur to enegage with the Royal
Thai Government and his willingness to help in the resolution of the
matter.

6. The Government stated that the facts and position of the
Royal Thai Government have been explained in its previous Note No.
21010/497 dated 9 July 2008 and Note No. 52101/884 dated 17 December
2008. Summaries of these letters can be found in the Special
Rapporteur’s previous reports to the Human Rights Council on cases
examined (A/HRC/9/9/Add.1, paras. 475-478; and A/HRC/12/34.Add.1,
paras. 406, 407, 409). In its letter of 11 July 2011 the Government
reiterated points it had made on those previous letters, specifically
that:
• Laotian Hmongs had migrated from Lao People’s Democratic
Republic to Thailand only from 2003 and thus could not be considered
as indigenous people. They were allowed to take refuge in Wat Tham
Krabok, a Buddhist Monastery in Saraburi Province, only for
humanitarian reasons.
• Under Thai law, the management of Buddhist monasteries is
under the authority of an abbot. The Hmong buried their deceased
relatives on the monastery grounds without any permission from the
abbot or the administrative committee of Wat Tham Krabok.
• When the monastery decided to convert parts of its land into
a place for various religious facilities, the relatives of those Hmong
buried at Wat Tham Krabok were informed in advance of the necessity to
relocate he graves from the monastery grounds. Some Hmong came to
reclaim their relatives’ bodies for relocation. Additionally,
representatives of the Hmong community had given their consent to the
monastery to proceed with the relocation.
• Consequently, unclaimed bodies were exhumed and provided
with a public cremation ceremony with full respect of the deceased as
well as consideration for their families. In accordance with Buddhist
practices, this mass grave exhumation and cremation ceremony were
accompanied by rituals to honor the deceased.

7. The Government further stated that, although there was no
official involvement in the exhumation of Hmong graves in Wat Tham
Krabok, in July 2008, the National Hmong Grave Desecration Committee
(NHGDC) from the United States had a meeting with the government
authority of Saraburi Province and later in August 2009,
representatives of the NHGDC revisited Thailand to meet with Hmong
peoples residing in various areas. The Government expressed its hope
that these dialogues would serve to address the concerns expressed by
the Hmong families.

Observations of the Special Rapporteur

8. The Special Rapporteur is grateful for the response
provided by the Government of Thailand to previous communications.
Notwithstanding the assertions by the Government that no indigenous
peoples exist in Thailand and previous assertions by the Government
that the Hmong that were present at Wat Tham Krabok were originally
refugees from Laos, the Special Rapporteur notes the longstanding
presence of Hmong people throughout southeast Asia, including
Thailand, and observes that in many respects the Hmong share
characteristics similar to indigenous peoples worldwide, including
their maintenance of cultural and religious traditions that are
distinct from those of the majority. Therefore, the concerns expressed
by members of the affected Hmong people are of relevance to the
Special Rapporteur’s mandate and fall within the ambit of concern of
the principles contained in international instruments such as the
United Nations Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples.

9. The Special Rapporteur would like to reiterate his
recommendation that the Government of Thailand engage in a dialogue
with the affected Hmong in order to resolve the situation, and takes
note of the Government’s information that it has held meetings with
the National Hmong Grave Desecration towards this end. He again urges
the Government to consider the proposals set out by the Hmong people,
mindful of their cultural and spiritual views regarding their deceased
with the view to restore a positive relationship with the Hmong. The
Special Rapporteur will continue to monitor this situation as
appropriate.

[MoobLeeg]

On Feb 26, 4:02 am, idonotknow <mih...@gmail.com> wrote:

PebMoob ua neej tsovqaab lawm os puab yawm aw...Cov caj tes ho tsipaab
kua sobtuag, ho moog paab cov nam kws twb tuag lwjtaag lawm !!! Moog
moog has tej nam qhovntxaa lua twb muab khawb povtseg taag hov tau
dlaabtsi naw?????? Nkim sijhawm, nkim nyaj hab nkimncauj nkimlug xwb
os.

Come back to reality please, people. Don't live your life in a stoic
and Neanderthal era but try to live your life in a dynamic and
futuristis way since we are here in the US. I cannot comprehend Moob
way of thinking anymore....

TaugRigNtev

[HmongBluesky]

Yawm Moob Leeg TaugRigNtev

Xyov yog koj tseem nyob tim rooj Moos Pheeb los yog koj tuaj txog teb
chaw vam meej no los koj tseem tsis tau xeev? cov neeg xav li kos mas
tseem tsis tau hmag tsim txom txaus. Koj puas paub hais tias, peb
Hmoob raug suav tua thiab tsim txom nyob suav teb tsis txaus, Peb ib
cos khiav los rau los tsuas teb los tseem rau luag lwm haiv neeg saib
qhis qhis (Hmong in Laos were a minority nation of the minority), rau
tua pov tseg, tsim txom thiab lom. Thaum tebchaw los tsuas tau poob
rau plog liab, peb cov coob uas tau pab America ua rog tiv thaiv plog
liab thiaj li tau khiav tuaj mus ua neeg thoj nam tawg rog rau thaib
teb. Thaib thiaj li tuaj txhias peb ib cos Hmoob mus nyob rau Wat Tham
krabok hais tias luang phor yuav pab muab ntauj ntawv rau lawv ua neeg
Thaib. Luang phor muab cov me nyuam yaus 6 xyoo mus txog ntua 70 xyoo
ua npe hais tias lawm tuaj txiav yeeb no mas tebchaw thaib thiab lwm
lub tebchaw xws li Australia thiaj muab nyiaj tuaj pab lub Wat Tham
krabok. Thaum peb cov neeg tau tas sim neeg, tsev neeg txhua txhua tus
yeej tau tso cia los ntawm luang pho. Tabsis thaum America qhib qhov
rooj rau cov Hmoob tuaj rau America. Luang phor thiaj tau tso cais rau
ob lub koom haum suav-thaib tuaj muab Hmoob cov ntxa khawb li 900 lub.
Cov lwj lawm, lawv muab cov qhaij tshem tawm, cov tseem tsis tau lwj,
lawm muab hlais li hlais tsiaj thiab muaj coj los hau yuav cov pob
txha xwb, hos cov ciaj pob zeb uas lawv hlais tsis tau, lawm muab
nyiaj pua thoob plaws lub cev thiab pes hawm tau qhov chaw lawv khawb.
Lawv coj cov pob txha thiab cov neeg ciaj pob zeb mus teev hawm lawm.
Hos sauv cov txha nyob ze ib ncheeb tsam ntawv lawv twj tsis kov li.
Koj puas mob siab. Yog koj yog Hmoob yug thiab koj muaj siab muaj tsws
no koj yuav tsum moob siab thiab.

Yawm Moob Leeg TaugRigNtev, kuv noog koj hais tias yog cov neeg uas
raug thaib tsim txom hais los saum no yog koj ib tug txheeb ze no koj
ho xav licas? Txawm tsis yog koj los yog kuv ib tug txheeb ze los lawm
yog Hmoob sav ! Es koj puas yog Hmoob? Kuv qhia rau koj tus tseem nyob
pem roob paub tias qhov thaib ua rau cov tuag (treated the deads) no
tseem loj tshaj thiab txhaum peb Hmoob txoj kev ntseeg thiab neeg
ntiaj teb (UN) txoj cais sav ! Ua cas koj tsis paub dabtsi li? Yuav
txog thaum twg es Hmoob mas li nrog luag lwm haiv neeg muaj vaj huam
sib luag? Yog peb Hmoob tsis tiv thaiv thiab nrog thaib hais kom muaj
yeej muaj swb ces lwn hnub koj tuag ces lawv tuaj koj ntas...koj puas
paub?Yog tsis paub dabtsi no nyob twj ywm xwb lau!

Kuv yeej xav sau lus English rau koj tabsis ib tsam tsis khag koj lub
hlwb, kuv thiaj li sau ntawv Hmoob rau koj. Tabsis kuv yuav sau
English rau koj kawm. Yawm Hmoob Leeg TaugRigNtev, you are right! you
can not comprehended Hmoob anymore because you might live in America
or where ever you maybe, but your brain is still in the hills of Laos.
Please wake-up and open your eyes. What the Thai people did to the
Hmong graves in Wat Tham krabok is NOT the victim families's problems
any more, it is Hmong problems as a whole because they did not dig
your relatives's graves nor my relatives graves, but they dig Hmong
graves and that is all of us, you and me included in it. Let me give
yon a advice that will last for a life-time, which do not criticize
others until you have look yourself in the mirror and ask yourself
"what have I done to help Hmong" and what you don't know, take an
effort to do research before dump your shitty brain out there. I hope
that you will learn a good lifelong lesson here.

HmongBluesky
USA

[MoobLeeg]

On Feb 26, 7:01 pm, HmongBluesky <sybluesk...@gmail.com> wrote:

Tug phoojywg Bluesky,

You are entitled to your own opinion. You can say whatever you think
is significant to you. Koj has tas ntshe kuv tseem pw tsi tau tsim.
Tejzag kuv tseem tsis tau tsim tag taabsis koj twb tsim lawm ne. Koj
ho ua tau dlaabtsi? Xaav le koj xaav ho paab puas tau Moob? Xaav le
kuv xaav ne, Moob ho yuav tuag npaum caag ntxiv?

My piont is--yog yuav paab tes paab cov tseem caj. Cov twb tuag lawm
tes paad los tsi sawv lawm.

Leejtwg lo yeej mobsab has txug lua tsim yug cov tuabneeg taabsis koj
txawm has npaun twg lo lua txuj plaubqau tsis tsaa tes ho tseg tej
nyaj, tej sijhawm, tej dlaagzug moog ua lwmyaam ntshe yuav zoo dlua.
You have cited all the event (history of other had done and have done
to Hmong) but, again, my question is--if you win this case of grave
digger, is that means all the nations that has oppressed and torture
Hmong all these years will suddenly set Hmong free? And Hmong will
become free of oppress or torture? The answer is NO. Keep dreaming on
because I think not.

Let's not talk about China or Laos. Let's take Thailand for example,
puab cov kws moog has txug khawbntxaa tim Thaib. Thaib luag puab heev.
Thaib has tas 1. Mej tsis yog tuabneeg Thaib, cov Moob Thaib twb tsi
has yog mej tug nkig dlaabtsi es mej ho yuav lug has? Mej tsi muaj cai
lug has. Lub tebchaws nuav yog peb lub. 2. Meej muaj ntau paab pawg
khaav hastas meej yog cov represent Moob, paabtwg txhajle yog paab
tseem? 3. Mej twb has tsis sihum mej lawm es yuav ua legcaag peb
txhajle paub nrug mej has? That means Hmong are diots. Thai only
interested in Hmong's moneys, nothing else. Cov kws moog hov twb tsis
muaj tug teb los yog keb tau cov issues kws Thaib has nuav le ne. Ask
Micheal Yang, Sia Lo, Cha Vang, Mee Moua and all the factions who
tried to take this issue for their personal gain. Why none of them try
again? Have a good day.

TaugRigNtev

[Blueskyman]

> yeej muaj swb ces lwn hnub koj tuag ces lawv tuaj khawb koj ntas...koj puas

[Blueskyman]

On Feb 26, 8:01 pm, HmongBluesky <sybluesk...@gmail.com> wrote:

[Mouatony]

bawg MoobLeeg,


Puab cov yawm kws nim qw qw has tas yuav moog has Moob cov toj ntxaag
ntawd tim Thamkrabot ce muaj ib cov nam ce yog moog has cov hluas
nkauj Thaib hab hluas nkauj Moob kws tseem caj cov qhov ntxaag mog xwb
os. Muaj tej tug ce quaspuj twb yuav dlav tuab neeg tua kom tuag tim
Thaib, tej tug ce hluas nkauj tseem hu puag tim Thaib tuaj ce quas puj
muab xuv tooj kaw lawm.

Peb Moob ce kaasmoos los moog xau tsua ntawd hluas nkauj 2 ceg, toj
ntxaag los moog xau tsua ntawd hluas nkauj 2 ceg. Luas siv zaaj tswv8
2 ceg nuav ce Moob tuag taag le lawm os.

MT

[DownUnder]

It is all about Hmong!!
In my little book, "The Root & the Fruit - Hmong Identity", I have
outlined what consitutes part of being "Hmongness".

On addition, to our Hmong gene, speaking Hmong, Hmongness means that
we CARE about one another. This CARING covers THREE groups of people:
1. CARE for the LIVINGS: Yus tsev neeg, yus kwv-tij neejtsa thiab
txhua tus Hmoob. Thaum mub peb nyob ntuj qubqab, kuv tseem nco
ntsoov, kuv thaug kev pog tim Hoeueikhininh (near Muag Souei) tuaj mus
rau Phakhao. Tuaj dhau Ban Na xwb ces tsaus ntuj lawm. Kuv thiaj kuv
tijlaug ub =tab tom tuaj txog ib lub zov Hmoob. Ib tsev Hmoob cia li
kom ub los pwb hauv lawv tsev tso vim tsaus ntuj lawm. Lawv muaj mov
rau ub noj tag, puua chaw rau wb pw. Sawv los, tseem ua tshais rau wb
noj, ntim wb ib pob su thiab wb mam sawv kev tuaj Phakhao. This is
waht beiign Hmongness is all about.

2. CARE for the DEADS: Yus yug los ua ib tug Hmoob, yuv yuav tau CARE
rau yus tej members vuas tau tag bib sim neej lawm. Tisi yog tias tuag
lawv ces yuav tso po-tseg...NO..NO... Yus ib tus neeg tuag lawm, yus
yuav vtau ua lub nteev kom phim nws, xav nws mus kom txog pojyawg tswv-
txoob (Cov Xtian ces yuav tsum xav mus kom txog Vajtswv). Tsis tag li
no xwb, yus yuav tau nrhia ib thaj chaw kom zoo rau tus tuag, saib
mejtoj kom muaj nqi zoo rau cov tub, cov ntxhais nyob tom qab. Yog
lub ntxa pua me-ntsi xwb, yus yuav tau ua neeb mus kho ntxa - ib thaj
neeb yuav siv ib tug bNpua loj, ib thaj neeb yuav tau ntiav tus txiv
neeb txog li 12 hla nyiaj mas luag bthiaj kam ua. Vim kev ua neeb mus
kho ntxa no mam tseem ceeb heev rau tus tuag thiab rau cov tseem muaj
siav nyob. Tus Txiv Neeb yuav tau mus hais ib ncig nws tej vajtsev,
mus Xab nws vaj nws tseb thiav mus kho mejtoj thoob pawg, mus tsa nws
rooj noj rooj hawss , rooj nom rooj tswv ect... so it is a complex
issue.. but all this has to be done BEFORE any thing can be done to
that grave.

Lino, thaum Thaib mus muab Hmoob cov ntxa tim Thaiteb khawb mas yog ib
qhov UA TXHAWM loj tshaj npaws nyob hauv ib tug Hmoob lub neej. This
is the GREATEST Violation of of our Hmong way of life of caring for
our loved ones. Nothing can be more gross, more grave than disturbing
our loved ones graves.

IF this happen when we were still living in Laos, Hmoob yeej yuav ua
plaub thoob tebchaws. So, let it be UNDERSTOOD the GROSS violation
that were happening to the hmong by digging our loved ones's graves in
Thailand!!!

3. CARE for the NOT YET TO BE BORN... This is also related to the
burial sites of our loved one. Leej twg los yeej mus nria kom tau
qhov mejtoj zoo rau yus cov me tub me nyuam - ob tug tib sis. This is
also a matter of great importance. As I have mentioned once before,
thaum ub, peb muab peb yawg Xaivkaub cov mu tso qhov chaw zoo kawg
tabsis ho tso rau pem toj Lauj Khiabtoom lub ntxa lawm. Lauj Kiabtoom
tsev neeg tseem tsis zoo siab, ua plaub nrog peb tsev neeg tib si.
This is all about doing the best, caring for those yet to be born, as
part of the Hmong believe & practice over the past 5000 years.

In CONCLUSION, the grave desecration in Thailand is one of the
GREATEST violation of the Hmong way of life and those actions cannot
be left unresolved. Even those, it had happened in 2005 but progress
has been steadily moving ahead toward a satisfactory solution. The
first phase has been completed - that the Thai government has given
the undertaking that NO Hmong graves in THailand will be disturbed in
the future.

Now.. we are seeking the SOLUTION - the two Thai Foundations to re-
burial of all the remains in accordance with the Hmong religious
practices.

Now as we are moving to the final phase, I call upon all the Hmong
around the globe to combine force to mount a GLOBAL action to settle
this GREATEST violation for once and for all.

This is for ALL the Hmong.

[idonotknow]

#1. kuv to taub tias khawb hmoob ntxa tim thaib 2005 yog ib yam loj heev uas
lwm haiv yeej txhob txwm tsom ib yam kom hmoob mob mob siab tshaj ntag.

#2. hmoob mas leej twg los mob siab. tus loj tus yau nyob thoob qab ntuj sib koom ua tej pab me me sib tw mus hais thaib,meskas, thiab UN. mus ntau pab ntau pawg qw qw thiab taw tes cij cauj cij cauj. nej xav yog tias nej yog thaib los tias nej yog UN no nej yuav ua cas?

#3. yog tias kuv yog thai los yog UN kuv ham tsi nyob tos kom lawv 10 pab tuaj qw qw ntawd sib sau los koom ib lo lus, ib lub goal, ib qhov complain, yog kuv yuav pab los yuav yog muab ib qhov solution rau kom solve tau yam teeb meem. raws li kuv saib tsam no mas. hmoob mus hais ntau pab heev. zoo li ib pab DEMAND ib lub qhov solution. nej yuav kom kuv muab 10 qhov solution rau nej. ib ntsis mas yuav kom muab 691 qhov solutions. npau suav lawm pob nej na? kom tub ceev xwm thiab cov zov ciam teb muab nej ban entry nej txog tom airport kom nej rov mus tsev lwm hnub nej sib haum nej lawm nej koom yuav ib qhov solution lawm no ces tuaj demand dua kuv mam saib seb qhov solution nej demand koob mus puas tau xov mus puas nyog. nco ntsoov nqa nyiaj ntau ntau los yuav yam solution nej nyiam nawb.

#4 in conclusion thaib txhaum vim thaib pub suav khawb hmoob ntxa. hmoob dhia cij cauj cij cauj coob li coob ib tug kom tau nyias ib yam solution. leej twg los tsis kam muab ib leeg ib yam solution li os. txawm yog lub ntuj lub teb kiag los yog neeg ib tug yuav kom ntuj los nag ib tug yuav kom ntuj tshav, ib tug yuav kom los snow ib tug yuav kom sov sov all abov 60 degree F. nej sim xav seb yog nej yog ntuj kiag nej yuav ua cas thiaj haum cov neeg tas nrho? yog ua tsis tau tsis haum tas nrho ces kuj cia lawv nyob lawv kuv ham tsi kom fuab cua mus li qub raws sij hawm thaum twg laswv yeem yuav ib yam no ces kuv mam pab kom tau li lawv siab nyiam.

YES GO SCREAM ALL YOU CAN BUT I'M STAYING MY NORMAL WAYS OF YEARLY ACTION. IF YOU WANT SNOW JUST WAIT UNTIL WINTER. IF YOU WANT HOT WEATHER WAIT UNTIL SUMMER IF YOU WANT RAIN WAIT UNTIL SPRING. THE PROBLEM IS IF I GIVE YOU SUMMER AT THIS TIME ALL THOSE DEMANDING FOR SNOW WILL KEEP BITCHING AT ME IN WAY I DON'T WANT TO HEAR. GO HOME... TAKE A REST AND THEN ALL OF YOU DEMAND ONE SOLUTION THAN I MIGHT BE ABLE TO OFFER A SOLUTION.

[DownUnder]

Yaj Tshaj Koob,

Neeg tais caus?? No such thing.. Only some people here (like you) who
tend to hide away when the tough is going..and hide behind some screen
name, shouting from the dark - faceless people!!! I have been here
from day 1 of SCH... and still here!!!

I was cleaning up my PC before March 1st Google’s new privacy policy
takes effect... It is advisable to cleanup work ahead of time
ie.Remove all Google Search History Before the New Google Privacy
Policy Takes Effect".

While cleaning up my Google use history and all other Google usage
history, I did mistakenly remove my own post..

But I always keep a copy of every post for my self. So, it is still
here - just to satisfy you:

[Yaj Tshaj Koob]

Kwv npawg Mouatony aw,

Koj has yog kawg lawm los muas, koj has tas....

> Puab cov yawm kws nim qw qw has tas yuav moog has Moob cov toj ntxaag
> ntawd tim Thamkrabot ce muaj ib cov nam ce yog moog has cov hluas
> nkauj Thaib hab hluas nkauj Moob kws tseem caj cov qhov ntxaag mog xwb
> os

Puab tes moog has qhov nam huv qaab nuav xwb muas, saib maj...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8Ohyl7NPsQ&feature=related

Puag yog puab moog has tej hov xwb es txhaj ua tsi txug twg le, qhov
nam hov mas khaum luj heev nawb, yog leej twg moog ua lag luam es moog
yos qhov hov hab yos lag luam ua ke tes, zag hov tsi tau laag luam le,
txawm tau los coj lug ua poob peev taag le tag.

Moog ua tsuv rog los tuab yaam le hab yog leej twg moog ua es ua ncaaj
ua nceeg xwb tes txhaj tsi maag tua, huas yog moog ua thab haam, es
xij kov kov qhov hov le tes tsi ntev yog muaj sib tua thaum twg tes
yawm kws kov kov qhov nam hov txawm yog tug kws xub xub maag tua tuag
ntaag tag.

Cov nam kws moog ua kaas moos los tuab yaam le ob qhov sau hab, yog
leej twg moog ua kaas moos es xij kov tej le kws has saum tes moog ua
tsi sawv le vim ntuj tsi paab nwg lawm, ntuj has tug nam tuab neeg
nuav tes cas thaam hluas nkauj xwb nua tes txaj muaj qhov nplaam ua
tsi moog le. tsuas tau tuab qhov kws nwg kov kov hov xwb, qhov nam hov
tsi zoo kov kag le ov xyob txhaj heev le. Qhov nam hov tes yog pov hum
hab yog xyob txaj ob yaam nyob ua tuab ke, yog txawj ua raws kis tes
yog pov hum, yog ua tsi raws kis tes yog xyob txhaj luj, yug moog
phoom puab sib nce xwb twb ua xyob txhaj lawm hab le hov le nawb.

Yog tas tsi muaj txij nkawm es moog nrhav nua tes tsi ua caag le, yog
kev yog cai lawm moog moog tes txawm tau quas puj. Tub tsi yog le hov
xwb yog yus moog yos haav zoov tua nqaj xwb los yog tas koj tawm rooj
moog zoj ib plag ib tsaam txawm ntsib quas puj ntaag tes tsi taag moog
le, koj txawm moog los yeej pum haav zoov nqhaa nrig xwb tag.


YTK

[Yaj Tshaj Koob]

On Feb 27, 4:41 am, DownUnder <drpaosay...@gmail.com> wrote:

DU,

You are right.....kuv tsuas qhia rau koj tias yus yog neeg kawm ntawv
siab yuav tau tawv, muaj cuab kav, yuav siv txoj kev txawj hauv tus
hlwb txha mus rau txoj yog, yus yog puav ces koj txawm mus nyob nrog
nas los nas tsi yuav, mus nyob nrog noog los noog tsi yuav, kawg nkaus
yuav tau nrog puav nyob xwb thiaj li zoo.

You are a good mentality men, but your foot print just a little far
away from our Hmong hopes. koj twb yog neeg txawj ntawv siab lawm lus
Hmoob lus Mab dawb los koj paub, koj noj Hmoob mov koj hais Hmoob lus
koj pw Hmoob lub lav, koj yuav tau ua Hmoob dej num, ces tsi muaj
leej twg yws,"no one complain" Yog tias tsi txawj ntawv Mab Dawb li
kuv no mas thiaj li ua tus follower ov, cov tub txawj es xij mus ua
follower rau lawv, lawv taw siab ntsia siab tawn qis ntsia qis xwb mas
tsi tau li tsi tsim nyog txoj kev kawm, lub meej mom poob qis, yuav
tsum ua txiv, yuav tsum ua txiv, tsi muaj leej twg ua txiv lawm.

Tsi txhob mus luag ntxhawv ntxhi rau tej nyuag maum li uas kuv muab
qhia rau tus kwv npawg Mouatony saum, tsi tau dab tsi li ov.

Nej cov tub txawj tag nrho yuav tau sawv los Hloov Tsa kom Hmoob sawv
tau nce ib theem rau saum kom peb tsoom Hmoob thoob ntuj hloov hlo
sawv taus los ciaj ua ib haiv neeg li luag lwm haiv neeg thiab mas
thiaj tsim nyog lub npe tias Hmoob txawj ntawv lawm tiag no ov. Koj
saib nplog li thaum xyoo 1943 ntawd lub nroog Vientiane nyuam qhuav
muaj pej xeem neeg tag nrho yog 23,000 leej tib neeg nyob hauv xwb los
luag twb yuav ua ib haiv neeg ntawm luag kheej no, lub caij ntawd
nplog nyuam qhuav muaj 9,570 leej nyob hauv nroog Vientiane xwb dua li
ntawm 14,430 leej yog neeg txawv teb chaws lawm, ces los txog rau xyoo
1949 nplog nyuam qhuav muaj teb chaws "Independence" hu ua nplog tiag
tiag ces yog thaum no los xwb nes. Hmoob tuag txaus lawm Hmoob cov tub
txawj yuav tau sawv los sib pab zaum no.

Hmoob cov tub txawj yuav tau tig los saib Hmoob txoj lw ntawm Hmoob
lub neej tias tseem tshuav qhov twg yog qhov yuav xub xub ua, ua ntej
yog dab tsi, kom lub neej tom ntej mus Hmoob tsi txhob raug teeb meem
ntxiv lawm yog yuav ua qhov twg kiag, tab txawm muaj teeb meem los
tsuas yog yus Hmoob muaj Hmoob li teeb meem hauv nruab nrog xwb ces
Hmoob li daws kho Hmoob kheej li Hmoob tus peev xwm.

YTK

[Noogqejqawg]

Yawm Tshaj,

Yog ua tuab zoo tsom lub koobxoos rov rua ntawm koj los kuj xaam pum
koj lub laajxeeb ncig yuj yeev tom tej chaw qaab sab hab laiv, puas
yog? Kuv has le ntawd mas yeeb vim koj txawjx moog thau los sis coj
tej dluab qaabx sab ntawd lug tso rua peb saib ne.
hahahahahahahaha...... Ceev faaj txuj nyuas kev ab lam luas tej nyob
tsaam ces ho muaj tug nthos nkaus yug dluav nqa ces kawg ntsev nchuav
xwb huas.... J/K....

nqq

[Yaj Tshaj Koob]

Kwv Noogqejqawg,


Tub yog peb has txug cov nam kws puab nim has tas puab twb moog has
thaib dlau lug lawm hab tseem yuav has dlua hab nua tes, kuv txaj le
teb npawg Mouatony has tas yog nwg has lawm, puab taag tug le mas
nruab nub tes moog has qhov ntxaa tuag, mo nyuj tes moog has qhov
ntxaa caj mog mog nua los mas, tes kuv txhaj muab qhov tseeb rua sawv
dlawg saib tas yog tuab qhov nyuas hov xwb nua.

Huas cov nam kws moog ua kaas moos los moog poob rua tuab txuj nyuas
kev hov le hab, thaum xub thawj mas cav thaam txug kaas moos nkaus
nkaus xwb laiv, ua caag moog ib ob lwm tim thaib nplog lug txug, ua
caag thaam txawv zog lawm, suav dlawg nim sau nyaj rua nws rov qaab
moog dlua, tes tau ib ntus yus moog pum ua caag twb aub ib tug miv mog
ab ntawm nraub qaum lawm, pum yawm tsaaj tsaaj miv nyuas quaj uj ab
moog rua tom lug rua tom nuav, moog moog lug lug le, tes yus moog sib
phoom kag tes, yug has tas uab yaub ua caag ho tau mog ab puag lawm
nej, es mej tej nam kaas moos yog le ko xwb los, tes nws teb has tas
ham tsi ua zaaj nuav xwb les es, tes yawm tseem ua tuab tug nam puag
miv nyuas hab tej taub mig miv nyuas noj ua nris ua nraws, ntxhuv quas
nyo.

Koj le los tog has tas koj moog tuab tuab, nyob tim nplog ntau xwb los
tub yog vim tej nam kws kuv thau lug peb saib sau xwb luas muas.cov
nam txiv neej moog ua num tim thaib hab nplog tes moog poob taag nrho
rua tuab qhov nam hov xwb los muas.

> yog? Kuv has le ntawd mas yeeb vim koj txawjx moog thau los sis coj
> tej dluab qaabx sab ntawd lug tso rua peb saib ne.
> hahahahahahahaha.....

Xob txhawj le, tej nam hov tes kuv twb xeem dlau taag lawm, kuv los ua
nam tuab neeg laug lawm hab tes yuav tsi phov tej hov le kws mej cov
hluas lawm os. Koj le es lug tim nuav tes yog lug nrhav nyaj rua miv
nam yau xwb pob? ha ha ha ha ha ....tej nam tuab neeg laus yuav nkauj
mog tes thaum zoo sab tes miv nam yau has zoo zoo, thaum muaj kev
ntsawv sab tes miv nam yau tshev mej cov nam kws yuav nkauj mog saab
sab le, tshev ua nam tsuv tum laug qas tuab neeg aw caag yuav tsi
ntsaub qaab ke le os le tej hov le ne.Hab tsi taag le los yug tau tej
nam miv nyuas ca ua miv nyuas ntsuag hab, tes miv nam yau coj moog
yuav dlua tug quas yawg tshab tes tej miv nyuas tab maag puab tshev
tsi txuag txaj le tes yog ib qhov tsi zoo.

YTK

[Noogqejqawg]

Yawm Tshaj,

Kuv le mas qha koj paub tas kuv yeej tsaa chij dlawb rua txuj kev ua
kaasmoos lawm nawb. Kuv tsuas rau sab nro rua kuv thaaj nyuas teb 2
nti xwb, txuj sa taag thaus twg tseev thaus ntawd. Lub sab ntshaw tag
ces yeej los xaav puag hab xuas cov nyuas ceevx xwb tawm sis quas nam
phom luv dluav, le Phwvnyawm has, lawm ces laam pheeb nam thaub laug
kws nwg tseem nquag khwv yug noj xwb ces puam chawj. hahahahaha...

Muab ua zoo saib mas peb tsoom txivneej Moob yeej los nyam hab khib
lub nyuas nceb quav hlawv hov tshaaj plawg lwm yaam le. Tej zag yuav
yog zoo le nuav es ua kaasmoos txug twg los txhaj le ntlog zoox nej...
hahahahaha...

nqq

[toulia vang]

YTK AKA Yang Y.,

Ua siab txias txias thiaj muaj neeg raws koj. Koj twb npaj los ua haiv
thiab mob mob siab rau peb Hmoob, mas peb thov qhuas koj, tab sis
txhob burn koj cov bridges ntau dhau mog me leej tij tus siab kub. Zoo
li koj chim chim rau coob leej. Koj tseem coj tus cwj pwm li thaum
nyob MT.

Please share with us your vision and strategy about this issue as
opposed to labeling and blaming or showing anger to others.

Your passion is commendable and no one would challenge your passion
but please convince me to support you. More activities mean that more
forces. Tsawg thiaj xyeej coob mas zoo thiab vam meej tuaj lawm.

Good day and enjoy big Idaho potato. Remember what you learned from J.
Daniels in the 70's.

TL.

[Yaj Tshaj Koob]

On Feb 27, 8:09 pm, toulia vang <vangtou...@gmail.com> wrote:

> YTK AKA Yang Y.,
>
> Ua siab txias txias thiaj muaj neeg raws koj. Koj twb npaj los ua haiv
> thiab mob mob siab rau peb Hmoob, mas peb thov qhuas koj, tab sis
> txhob burn koj cov bridges ntau dhau mog me leej tij tus siab kub. Zoo
> li koj chim chim rau coob leej. Koj tseem coj tus cwj pwm li thaum
> nyob MT.
>
> Please share with us your vision and strategy about this issue as
> opposed to labeling and blaming or showing anger to others.
>
> Your passion is commendable and no one would challenge your passion
> but please convince me to support you. More activities mean that more
> forces. Tsawg thiaj xyeej coob mas zoo thiab vam meej tuaj lawm.
>
> Good day and enjoy big Idaho potato. Remember what you learned from J.
> Daniels in the 70's.
>
> TL.

Toulia vang,

You make a big mistake to point finger to some body who is Yang Y, he
is clean man, you are really wrong.

> YTK AKA Yang Y.,

Koj twv yuam kev deb lawm, kuv twb tau hais ntau zaug rau sawv daws
tias peb cov Yaj muaj ob tug Y Y no ib tug yog tub ib tug yog txiv
lawm no, tus koj tuav npe ntawd yog tub lawm, nej tsuas paub Yang
Phooj tus tij laug uas yog Tsav Vaj Yaj tus tub xwb thiab nws tau ua
ib zaug project Director rau Lao Family dua los lawm xwb ne. Tsi txhob
mus nug tau tej tug neeg qhia koj yuam kev li ntawd, es Y Y nqaij dawb
lam xeeb kas mas tsi tau li ov.

> txhob burn koj cov bridges ntau dhau mog me leej tij tus siab kub. Zoo
> li koj chim chim rau coob leej. Koj tseem coj tus cwj pwm li thaum
> nyob MT.

Kuv hais rau koj tias, kuv hais lus li ntawd nyuam qhuav haum Hmoob
lub siab dai qhuav xwb, twb tsi npaum li nplog liab xuas phom tua rau
peb cov Hmoob tej pej xeem poj tub se tuag pawg lug, ua ciav nej twb
hais tias nplog tua li ntawd xwb tsi ua cas, nej coob tus tseem txhaub
dev ua sub sum rau nplog tua Hmoob thiab. Koj xav nev qhov kuv cem
Hmoob kom Hmoob ras xeev yuav yog qhov phem dua, los qhov uas nplog
liab tso tshuaj K,M lom, tua peb Hmoob tej poj tub se tuag puv toj puv
peg ntawd yuav phem dua no, ob qhov no qhov twg yog qhov phem dua es
yuav tau hais, yuav tau cheem.

Thiab qhov kuv cem kom Hmoob ras xeev thiab qhov uas Thaib Khawb Hmoob
Toj Ntxaas, ob qhov no qhov twg yog qhov yuav siv tau thiab tsi nyog
cheem kom txhob ua li ntawd ntxiv lawm. Tos kuv hais peb Hmoob los twb
vim yog cov neeg uas xij yuav mus hais los sis cov twb hais dhau los
lawm, twb tsi pom txoj cai qhovn nqia nqia es hais yuav yeej luag li
ne, tab mus hais tej yam niag lus me nyuam yaus rau Thaib xwb ces
thaib kuj plhe ncauj rau Hmoob xwb.

Txoj cai faus tuag nyob qhov twg zoo li cas? thiab peb yuav tau nug
rau ntiaj teb tias.

1). Peb neeg txoj cai tuag lawm yuav tau faus,los sis hlawv, rau thaj
av twg los yeej tsi txhaum tsuav yog tus tseem fwv tso cai rau faus
thaj ntawd.

2). Tsi muaj leej twg yuav tuaj rhuav tshem tau tej toj ntxas ntawd ua
ntej tau kev tso cai los ntawd tus tswv pawg neeg ntawd hlo li.

3). Thaib tau hais tias Thaib yuav tuaj tu ntxuav thaj av faus tuag
ntawd kom huv no, ua cas thaum khawb tau tus tuag lawm muab dej ntxuav
cov kua lwj thiab muab tej nqaij lwj thiab tej tsoos tsho pov tib si
rov rau hauv lub qhov ntxa qub uas faus tus tuag.

4). Ua cas thaib ho tsi yawm tej av uas kua lwj, lwj ntxaum av thiab
tej ris tsho thiab txua yam uas nrog tus tuag coj mus hlawv los faus
rau thaj chaw ua tsi muaj neeg, yog vim li cas?

5). Yog cas ho tsi khawb cov ntxa Suav thiab Thaib uas Faus rau thaj
chaw ntawd, ua li tus Suav los sis Thaib faus rau qhov ntawd puas puas
txawj lwj, puas muaj kua lwj mus ntxaum av rau thaj ntawd?

6). Yog cas khawb Hmoob li ntxa xwb ho tsi khawb Suav cov thiab Thaib
cov yog vim li cas?

Lawv cov mus hais ua ntej lawm los mus hais ua dog dig, tsi qab tsi
tsuag, cov yuav mus hais tom ntej no los yeej txawv tsi deb cov thawj
zaug.

Toulia Vaj, koj yuav tau los tu plaub cov nqai lus uas kuv hais los
saum seb yog vim li cas lawv tus tseem fwv ho tso cai khawb Hmoob li
xwb, ho tsi khawb Suav thiab Thaib li ntxa, thiab yuav mus hais li cas
thiaj yog ib cov lus khov uas tsim yog muab mus hais kom yeej txoj
cai, yog yuav muab qhov twg mus hais thiaj yog txoj cai yuav hais, koj
tus siab loj siab ntev sim qhia rau sawv daws suab.

> forces. Tsawg thiaj xyeej coob mas zoo thiab vam meej tuaj lawm.

Tej koj hais sob lus no leej twg twb paub, tab sis ua tib neeg mas
qhov tsim nyog hais lawm yuav tau muab qhov ruaj qhov mus hais thiaj
yeej taus luag, tsi yog hais tias lawv yuav tsoob yus qhov quav los
yus cia li kam tib si rau lawv tsoob nawb, ua neeg yuav tsum paub mob,
yam ua tsi yog txhaum rau yus kev cai dab qhuas lawm yuav tau hais,
yog xav xav hais tsi txawj hais mus rau qhov ruaj qhov,hais ua dog dig
ces yuav mag cem mag hais los txhob tu siab yus tsuas nros nyog yus
npub ces tsi ua cas li las.

YTK

[toulia vang]

> YTK- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

YTK,

Tus me tij siab kub thiab siab tsis tus. Tiag tiag mas koj yuav tsum
nrog peb nyob rau Fresno, Merced, Visalia, Clovis, Stockton, thiab
Sacramento. Koj ntshai Hmoob thiaj khiav mus nkaum rau Idaho los Las
Vegas lawm. Yuav tsim kom muaj haiv mas yuav los txeem nrog Hmoob nyob
thiaj pab tau Hmoob.

Hnub twg koj tsa tau koj lub "Organization" koj nquas hu kuv mam tuaj
nrog koj tuav xam tawm tswv yim.

Koj yuav tau coj peb ua ib delegation mus hais Nom Tswv Thaib. Koj
yuav tau nrhiav nyiaj es peb mam raws koj qab mus "foob" Nom Tswv
Thaib. Kuv yuav caum koj vim koj mob siab, muaj tswv yim, thiab hlub
Hmoob. Txhob nyob ib cag es ua dej tsej tsej thiab nqov ntuj xwb. Vaj
Xyooj twb siv zog heev, koj muaj lam lim plab plawv zoo, koj txhob sau
sau ntawv cia li nqis tes es peb thiaj fwm thiab qhuas koj thiab peb
tseem yuav raws koj ua koj ib tus npoj (member).

Koj hais ntau ntau, ua tsawg tsawg es leej twg yuav ntseeg tau koj.

Me txiv leej tub YTK, ua sib txias thiaj tau ntuj ntoo, ua siab ntev
thiab tau koob Hmoo zoo.

Koj cov qeb lus ces tos koj los ntau ntej xwb thiab teb thiab daws
tau cov teeb meem li koj tau teev tseg.

Koj leej npawg TL.

[Born2beMhong]

Toulia,

txhob hais lus sib sib chob li koj mas...tijlaug YTK hais los yeej yog
lus kawg kiag lawm thiab laid. tsua yog tias, lawv cov ua tij tham
lus ntau zog xwb nawb.

koj rov muab ua twb zoo xav mas, yog XeebXyooj, lawv pab twb muab tej
no coj mus hais rau UN tag lawm--peb tseem yuav cias li ua ntsej muag
lagdig tso duas ib pab mus hais tib cov lus qub rau luag UN duas no,
UN saib peb TsavHmoob zoo li cas lawm tiag mas. puas yog peb ruam
dhau qhov ruam lawm tiag mas....

nco ntsoov--peb twb muaj lub Lao Hmong Human Rights, Peb tseem ua duas
ib lub Hmong International Human Rights Watch thiab... yog li lub twg
yog lub ua yuav ua Human Rights tiag tiag rau peb Tsav neeg
Hmoob...thaum kawg, luag saib zoo li yus Tsav neeg Hmoob ces yog neeg
Vwm tagtus cias li sibntau li Rebacca thiab Laura Lor-Xiong lawv lawm
thiab xwb ned.

koj rov muab xav mas, li Attorney Siab Moua thiab Attorney (Former
Senator) Mee Moua nrog rau GVP tus tub TSAV lawv mus ua qhov khawb
ntxa no thiab ned.

Koj rov muab ua twb zoo xav txog ob lub ua Hmong world of Congress and
Congress of Hmong world no...hos zoo li cas lawm thiab xwb.

yog li ntawd, YTK muaj valid point los discuss qhov topic issue no
nawb.

Ziag no, Dr Pao Oz, twb yog ib tug tib neeg educated lawm--nws yuav
tsum tau kom nws pab committee rov qab los taug qab seb...cov dabneeg
no mus zoo li cas thiab muaj puas tsawg caum pab twb ua txog li cas
rau qhov twg lawm. thaum taug tau tag tej tswv8 thiab tswv9 no
tag...li los set dua ib lub meeting hus tagnrho cov involve
organizations ua twb muab suab coj mus txog UN no lawm los sibtham seb
yuav ua li as thiaj li yuav zoo tagnrho rau peb Tsav Neeg Hmoob no
mas.

Hnub no laus, kuv tus Born no los yeej xav caugh up me me $$$$ tuaj
pab tiag tiag mas. hos yog sibtxeeb ua li nyias tau nyias ua no xwb
tias ces...Born yuav zaum no saib me me seb leej twg mus txoj kev
pemtoj, nruabnrab los yog txoj hauv qab tso. ua ntej Born yuav cev
nws $$$$ mus rau nawb.

thaum peb tham, peb txhob tham lus sibntsw thiab sibtshum lawm. peb
los discuss the real content of the discussion and how it would lead
us.

zam txim nawb, txawm muab koj lub npe tua lawm los yog hais tagnrho
rau txhua tus--tsi yog koj ib leeg xwb. es thov peb hmoob xyaum ua
neeg zoo thiab txawj hais lus thiab hais qhov kom nojnyog mustau xwb.
ib hnub peb Tsav neeg hmoob thiaj li yuav mus rau ib kaujruam ntxiv
nawb mog.

--txhob sib sib ntsw lus thiab hais lus pajpaws li tej laus
lawm....hais tsi nyob lawm, peb twb txhua tus twb kawm tshaj 3rd grade
education lawm nawb mog.

ua tsaug,

Born2beHmong

[Yaj Tshaj Koob]

Toulia Vang,

Kuv twb hais rau Hmoob sawv daws lawm tias, tej kev zoo uas Hmoob siv
lus muag lus mos yav dhau los lawm tsi work tsi tau dab tsi lawm, nim
no yuav tau cem thiab hais tag zog leej twg yuav ntxub los tsi dua
nws, tab si thov nws khaws qhov uas yog thiab qhov siv xwb. yog hais
tau yam twg tsi zoo siv lawm ho muab pov tseg, txhob cia ua lub pob
chim ces zoo lawm.

Kuv saib mas koj tus uas siab ntev mas tseem chim tshaj kuv lawm
thiab, Hmoob zaj ces yog nkauj hlob nkauj ua taus nkauj niam, tub hlob
tub ua taus tub txiv lawm ces Hmoob yeej tsi thawj leej twg xub tsag
li es thiaj li ua neej xyuam khuav li peb tiam tam sim no ntag. Thaum
yug tau kiag poob thav loj hlob tuaj ces yus yeej paub tias yus tsi
muaj teb chaws, tsi muaj kiab khw, tsuas muaj mov noj thiab tsiaj txhu
xwb, ces nim no los nyias thiaj ua nyias li ntawd.

> Hnub twg koj tsa tau koj lub "Organization" koj nquas hu kuv mam tuaj
> nrog koj tuav xam tawm tswv yim.

Ua cas koj xij tsi to taub li, kuv twb hais rau hauv SCH no tias ua
cas sawv daws tsi mus txhawb World Hmong People's Of Congress no ne,
lub ntawd twb muaj tej plaub ntug uas thaib khawb Hmoob qhov coj mus
zwm rau hauv UN tag lawm, yog peb yuav rov hais dua ces peb yuav tau
mus taug seb lub koom haum ntawd lis txog twg lawm no ne, es tseem
yuav tos kuv ua tau kuv lub haum thiab tso no ces txhob tos lawm kuv
nrog rau lub koom haum sawv cev Hmoob twb nyob rawv tim UN tau ntau
hnub los no koj tsi paub los peb twb pib tham 2/13/ txog rau 3/9/2012
no lawm ne, cov sawv cev Hmoob tseem tseem nyob tim tseem tsi tau los
tsev. Es koj tseem yuav tos txog hnub twg thiab? Thiab tsi tas li
ntawd xwb kuv twb hais tias tsi txhob ua ntau paab mus hais tsi sawv,
kom suav daws ua ib pab mus hais thiaj qhov no nes, koj nyeem tag koj
hnov qab lawm los cas.

> Koj yuav tau coj peb ua ib delegation mus hais Nom Tswv Thaib. Koj
> yuav tau nrhiav nyiaj es peb mam raws koj qab mus "foob" Nom Tswv
> Thaib.

Peb tsi mus hauv thaib, thaib twb yog tus ua tus khawb peb ntxa lawm
es tseem mus hauv thaib no leej twg yuav txiav txim ncaj rau Hmoob,
peb yuav tsum mus rau cov teb chaws uas sau txoj cai kav lub ntiaj teb
no mas thiaj tau, txoj cai ntiaj teb luag muab zwm rau hauv Geneva, UN
lawm.

> Me txiv leej tub YTK, ua sib txias thiaj tau ntuj ntoo, ua siab ntev
> thiab tau koob Hmoo zoo.

Txawm yog Moua Paj Kaub ua siab ntev es ntseeg ntseeg Suav daj Suav
phais tsib es thiaj mag nplog liab muab tua pov tseg lawm les, nim no
ua siab ntev ces pom kua xwb os, txawm yog ib txhia ua siab ntev ntev
es ib txhia thiaj tau Hmoob nyiaj ntau coj mus siv, ib txhia thiaj tsi
tau ces txog qhov kawg ces sib txeeb li Hmoob txeeb Lao Family kev
khwv nyiaj ntag taig.

> Koj cov qeb lus ces tos koj los ntau ntej xwb thiab teb thiab daws
> tau cov teeb meem li koj tau teev tseg.

Awb yawb, tej me lus ntiav li kuv hais ntawd koj twb tsi muaj cuab kav
tshab txhais thiab ces, tsi tshua tso siab rau nej cov tub txawj li
les, qhov xaus tseem yuav yuav peb cov laus no mus txhais lus xwb pab
koj tu siab ntau.

YTK

[idonotknow]

peb twb hais tias kom sib sau ua ib pab loj es txhob ua kaum tawm pab me me nyias mus qw nyias kom thaib ua li sawv daws nyiam mas npau suav tseeb zog. txhob maj ua ib pab me me ntxiv thiab os. kaj tsij mus koom nrog ib pab twg kom loj muaj puas tsawg pab kom los sib koom. yog nyias khav nyias qhov thiaj yog ces hmoob zaum twj ywm saib nej lawm xwb txhob xav hmoob yuav pab ib pab twg li os. pab twg los tias $ rau peb pab mas yog tshaj. puas nco tau divide and con quer lawm na? yuav kom ua ib zaug dam 10 tus pas ces dam tsis tau yog yuav dam ib tug zuj zus 10 tus tsis txaus dam. yog tsis koom los ua ib lub koom haum. yuav npaj ua 10 lub nyias khav nyias txoj thiaj yog mus txog thaib los yog UN kom nej rov qab xwb tiag. txhob npau suav yuav ua tau ib yam li os. mus foob los foob mus ces nej pluag xwb. court los yog lawv tus. thaum kawg nej poob millions rau lawyers thiab court tas tsis txaus yees huab tais lawv tsev neeg uas yog final decision to over rule everything else tias kom nej mus tsev so kom txaus txaus koom siab lawm no mam tuaj dua. nej ces ham tsi rov los ntej muag daj tas vim poob tsim loj vim mag cem sab sab xwb mas. rov los txog tsev los tsis tau hmoob lo lus zoo. hmoob tseem cem YOU GUYS ARE STUPID AMEN! thiab xwb. tghaum ntawd mas nej xav haus tshuaj ntxuav nyiaj ib pib tsis txaus tseem xav kom tau 5-6 pib ntxiv kom mus sai mentsis txhob hnov hmoob hais lawm.

KAV LIAM TXHOB THUJ LAB MLOOG KUV HAIS KAJ TSIJ UA LI NEJ SIAB XAV. TXOG KAWG YEEJ SWB XWB LI MAS. YOG MUAJ IB LEEG 5,000 YUAV MUS FOOB THAIB CES KHAWS 5,000 NTAWD COJ MUS PUAG POJ THAIB DAUM PW 1-2 WEEK TIM BANGKOK HOTEL XWB YUAV TXAUS YEES RAU NEJ DUA. TXHOB MUS MOB AID LOS YOG KAS CEES NAWB. UA ZOO TSAM TSIS YOG TAUM TXHOB THIAB HLAU KHO TSIS ZOO NAWB. LAWV TWB NTXUB HMOOB TXAUS KAWG LAWM. MUS FOOB NTXIV CES YOG NEJ NQA YUAM SIJ MUS QHIB LUB QHOV ROOJ KOM HMOOB KHIAV NTIG NTWG MUS TXHAWS QHOV TUAG NTXIV XWB MAS.

[Yaj Tshaj Koob]

Kwv Born2bH,

Ua tsaug rau koj cov lus, tus neeg tseem ceeb nyeem tag lawm yeej paub
cov lus qhov tseem ceeb yog los twg. Li no kuv thiaj hais tias tub
txawj muaj coob tub ntse muaj ntau, tab sis thaum yuav siv los ua ib
qhov tseem ceeb ces tsi muaj pis tsawg tus, ces yog li koj tej lus
tshab txhais rau Toulia Vaj saum ntag. Koj tej lus tsi muaj ib qhov
tias tsi yog, puav leej yog lus zoo tas nrho.

Leej twg xav pom neeg tu plaub ces nej nyeem kwv Born2bH cov lus saum
xwb ces tau lawm, tsi yog nkaug, tsi yog thuam, tsi yog rhav, yog lus
tshab txhais lub ntsiab thiab lub nqaub qhov tseeb nkaus xwb.

sis ntsib dua.

YTK

[DownUnder]

On Sunday, February 26, 2012 11:43:46 PM UTC+11, Yaj Tshaj Koob wrote:
> On Feb 26, 4:16 am, DownUnder <drpaosay...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Feb 26, 9:02 pm, idonotknow <mih...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >

> NYIAS IB PAB NYUAG ME ME TSI MUAJ ZOG, pab twg los ua tib qhov, hais
> tib qhov num, luag neeg ntiaj teb yuav luag yus cov neeg tsi muaj hlwb
> li Hmoob nawb tsoom Hmoob.
>
> YTK

This issue is COMPLEX and many organisations and individuals have done a lot of work so far. Their works have been well recognised and recorded.
Here is a chronology of what have been done earlier:

http://hrp.cla.umn.edu/projresearch/gd/timeline.html

Now, it is time to BUILD ON what have been done up to now... to find a FINAL SOLUTION.