Karmapa seen as future leader
Tom Jigme Wheat
Karmapa seen as future leader
March 12, 2011 6:06:32 AM
Sunanda K Datta-Ray
The debate over who will succeed the Dalai Lama as the spiritual
leader of Tibetans has intensified. Beijing is backing the Panchen
Lama, but Tibetans prefer the Karmapa Lama.
Zhou Enlai’s famous reply “It’s too early to say” when Mr Henry
Kissinger asked him about the impact of the French Revolution showed
how far ahead the Chinese do their strategic planning. That far-
sightedness also explains one aspect of the controversy over the 17th
Karmapa Lama, Ogyen Trinley Dorje, who is at the moment giving his
Spring Teachings on ‘How to Become a Good Person through the Wish to
Benefit Others’ at the Vajra Vidya Institute in Sarnath. Realising to
its dismay that the boy it nurtured as a Living God may be destined to
lead the crusade against Chinese hegemony, China is feverishly working
on alternative plans.
While petty officials in Himachal Pradesh fret and fume about the
Karmapa’s imagined intentions and activities, ignoring the Union
Government’s clear indications to the contrary, Beijing is focussed on
the future leadership of Tibetans, at home and abroad. Hence the
consternation at the possibility of not being able to foist a
complaisant Chinese-nominated puppet on the Tibetans to succeed Tenzin
Gyatso, the 76-year-old 14th Dalai Lama. It’s the only reason for the
hysterical statement by a Chinese puppet, Padma Choling, a former
soldier in the People’s Liberation Army, whom Beijing has made
Governor of Tibet, that the Dalai Lama has “no right to abolish the
reincarnation institution”. Clearly, China is calculating on
manipulating the reincarnation process to appoint its man as the 15th
Dalai Lama.
It has tried that tactic already, though without conspicuous success,
with the 11th Panchen Lama. Another China-backed pretender might be
expected to fare better if he is visibly ensconced in the Potala with
its rich symbolism. But he may not be the only contender for the
position of spiritual and temporal leader. Apart from the two Panchen
Lamas, of whom more later, there is Yabshi Pan Rinzinwangmo, known as
‘Renji’, daughter of the 10th Panchen Lama, Choekyi Gyaltsen, who
married a Han Chinese woman in 1979 and had a daughter four years
later. (This is not unique. Several high-ranking Gelug lamas both in
China and in exile have chosen a layman’s lifestyle. The 6th Dalai
Lama also renounced his monk’s vows and led a layman’s life but
continued to be highly revered by Tibetans.)
Finally, there is the 26-year-old Karmapa who fled Tibet in January
2000 and enjoys the unique position of being recognised as such by the
People’s Republic of China, the Dalai Lama and three of the four
highest monks of the Karma Kagyu sect which he leads. New Delhi’s
recent statements suggest that despite the perversity of some Himachal
Pradesh functionaries, India, too, accepts Ogyen Trinley Dorje as the
17th Karmapa.
Being second to only the Dalai Lama, the Panchen Lama occupies a
special place in Tibetan Buddhism. According to tradition, the Dalai
and Panchen Lamas mutually recognise each other. But much depends on
the person. The 10th Panchen Lama, who became Tibet’s most important
political and religious figure following the Dalai Lama’s escape to
India, tried to curry favour by supporting Beijing’s suppression of
the 1959 Tibetan rebellion. Even so, the Chinese imprisoned him in
1964. His situation worsened during the Cultural Revolution when,
according to the Chinese dissident, Wei Jingsheng, he was held in
appalling conditions in China’s Qincheng Prison.
The Panchen Lama was released In October 1977 but kept under house
arrest in Beijing until 1982. He died suddenly in Shigatse in 1989,
aged 51, shortly after making a speech criticising Chinese neglect of
Tibet’s religion and culture.
What followed was even more traumatic. Gedhun Choekyi Nyima (born
April 25, 1989) whom the Dalai Lama selected as the 11th Panchen Lama,
was on China’s short list but disappeared from view the moment he was
selected. He has not been seen since May 17, 1995. Beijing’s stock
reply to inquiries is that he is “safe and comfortable and wishes to
maintain his privacy”. Chadrel Rinpoche, head of the Panchen Lama
search committee who had shortlisted the boy with Beijing’s initial
approval, was arrested and charged with treason.
Meanwhile, the Chinese Government appointed Gyaincain Norbu (born
February 13, 1990), the son of two loyal Communist Party members, as
Panchen Lama. But attempts to project him as “the public face of
Tibetan Buddhism” have had limited success, possibly explaining why he
has not been made vice-chairman of the National Committee of the
Chinese People’s Political Consultative Conference like the 10th
Panchen Lama, even though, at 20, he became its youngest member. His
speech in Tibetan at the inaugural of the 2006 World Buddhist Forum
about Buddhism and national unity received a cold reception from
delegates, and Singapore’s Foreign Minister, Mr George Yeo, himself a
devout Roman Catholic, is the only foreign dignitary to have met him.
Not many others outside the Chinese establishment take him seriously.
But it’s not for want of trying. In 2008 Gyaincain Norbu denounced
anti-Han riots in Lhasa, saying “We resolutely oppose all activities
to split the country and undermine ethnic unity.” Last year when he
was elected vice-president of the Buddhist Association of China, Hao
Peng, Vice-Chairman of the Tibet Autonomous Region, praised the
appointment and congratulated Gyaincain Norbu for “demonstrating the
role of the Lliving Buddhas in Tibetan Buddhism and encouraging more
believers to participate in state affairs”.
Gyaincain Norbu never misses an opportunity to pray publicly for Tibet
and donate money for Tibetan relief after natural disasters, but,
curiously, he does not live at the Tashilhunpo Monastery, traditional
seat of the Panchen Lama, although he visits. The Asia Times describes
him as “a slight man who wears thick glasses and traditional crimson
robes”. Most Tibetans regard him as a state-backed pretender. The
exiled authorities are especially concerned that since the Dalai
Lama’s appointment traditionally requires the Panchen Lama’s approval,
China will exploit their creature’s position to nominate a 15th
pontiff who will do its bidding.
This is where the Karmapa Lama comes in. Tibetans see him as
independent. They know that his 900-year-old lineage is the oldest in
Buddhism. They are aware that he enjoys the Dalai Lama’s blessings.
And they are impressed by his youthful candour, religious devotion and
practical sense. Many see him as the future leader.
Meanwhile, there are fears about the fate of the real Panchen Lama,
Gedhun Choekyi Nyima, whom human rights organisations described as the
“youngest political prisoner in the world”. He is now 22 years old.
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Anti-DabianchenVirus
On the 17th of February, 2011, you accused me of advocating the
overthrow of American democracy, and "just a loud mouth with a one
inch rice dick":
http://groups.google.com/group/talk.politics.tibet/msg/3535c4db40a0115c?hl=en
I have since then asked you to prove it and you couldn't. All you
could do was beat around the bush and assume:
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/555a9caec9d9e24b?hl=en
making further accusations: "that makes you a foreign agent of the CCP
in my book. If your here on a visa it will be soon revoked":
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/f7d716c7958c0743?hl=en
, knowing full-well That I am an American and that I support the
American democracy in the USA:
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/8e211f9563fe6443?hl=en
.
On the 5th of March, 2011, you finally admitted:
"I cant prove that you want to see america overthrown"
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/eca9ae060e064bc3?hl=en
You couldn't even answer someone else's post directed specifically to
you:
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/0f1189f2e8d25e9c?hl=en
What's the matter? Find find the answer in Wikipedia, trailer-trash
homo punk?
When confronted again, all you could say was "go suck up to your
racist friend house nigger"
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/4da8eea9e620ae9e?hl=en
You yourself have thus proven that you are a LIAR!
Quod erat demonstrandum.
Tom Jigme Wheat
wrote:
> Proof that you are a LIAR, Tom Jigme Wheat.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tibet_(1912%E2%80%931951)
this is not a lie but proof.
>
> On the 17th of February, 2011, you accused me of advocating the
> overthrow of American democracy, and "just a loud mouth with a one
> inch rice dick":
>
>
> I have since then asked you to prove it and you couldn't. All you
> could do was beat around the bush and assume:
>
>
> making further accusations: "that makes you a foreign agent of the CCP
> in my book. If your here on a visa it will be soon revoked":
>
> , knowing full-well That I am an American and that I support the
> American democracy in the USA:
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/8e211f9563fe6443...
> .
>
> On the 5th of March, 2011, you finally admitted:
>
> "I cant prove that you want to see america overthrown"
consulate.
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/eca9ae060e064bc3...
>
> You couldn't even answer someone else's post directed specifically to
> you:
>
>
> What's the matter? Find find the answer in Wikipedia, trailer-trash
> homo punk?
independent nation from 1912 1951. The chinese conquest of tibet was
no different then the european colonisation of america.
>
> When confronted again, all you could say was "go suck up to your
> racist friend house nigger"
You are a house nigger racist against your fellow chinese people
believing them to be too stupid for democracy. And you suck up to a
guy who called you a chink. that's the same as calling a black man a
nigger.
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/4da8eea9e620ae9e...
rst7
Anti-DabianchenVirus
wrote:
>
> he called you a chink and obama a nigger. he is the redneck racist.
> You are a house nigger racist against your fellow chinese people
> believing them to be too stupid for democracy. And you suck up to a
> guy who called you a chink. that's the same as calling a black man a
> nigger.
>
You couldn't even answer a post directed specifically to you:
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/0f1189f2e8d25e9c?hl=en
What's the matter? Can't find the answer in Wikipedia, trailer-trash
homo punk?
Proof that you are a LIAR, Tom Jigme Wheat.
On the 17th of February, 2011, you accused me of advocating the
overthrow of American democracy, and "just a loud mouth with a one
inch rice dick":
http://groups.google.com/group/talk.politics.tibet/msg/3535c4db40a0115c?hl=en
I have since then asked you to prove it and you couldn't. All you
could do was beat around the bush and assume:
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/555a9caec9d9e24b?hl=en
making further accusations: "that makes you a foreign agent of the CCP
in my book. If your here on a visa it will be soon revoked":
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/f7d716c7958c0743?hl=en
, knowing full-well That I am an American and that I support the
American democracy in the USA:
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/8e211f9563fe6443?hl=en
.
On the 5th of March, 2011, you finally admitted:
"I cant prove that you want to see america overthrown"
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/eca9ae060e064bc3?hl=en
You couldn't even answer someone else's post directed specifically to
you:
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/0f1189f2e8d25e9c?hl=en
What's the matter? Find find the answer in Wikipedia, trailer-trash
homo punk?
When confronted again, all you could say was "go suck up to your
racist friend house nigger"
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/4da8eea9e620ae9e?hl=en
Tom Jigme Wheat
wrote:
> On Mar 12, 12:35 pm, Tom Jigme Wheat <thomaswheat1...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> > he called you a chink and obama a nigger. he is the redneck racist.
> > You are a house nigger racist against your fellow chinese people
> > believing them to be too stupid for democracy. And you suck up to a
> > guy who called you a chink. that's the same as calling a black man a
> > nigger.
>
> You couldn't even answer a post directed specifically to you:
>
>
> What's the matter? Can't find the answer in Wikipedia, trailer-trash
> homo punk?
>
> Proof that you are a LIAR, Tom Jigme Wheat.
>
> On the 17th of February, 2011, you accused me of advocating the
> overthrow of American democracy, and "just a loud mouth with a one
> inch rice dick":
>
>
> I have since then asked you to prove it and you couldn't. All you
> could do was beat around the bush and assume:
>
>
> making further accusations: "that makes you a foreign agent of the CCP
> in my book. If your here on a visa it will be soon revoked":
>
> , knowing full-well That I am an American and that I support the
> American democracy in the USA:
>
> .
>
> On the 5th of March, 2011, you finally admitted:
>
> "I cant prove that you want to see america overthrown"
>
>
> You couldn't even answer someone else's post directed specifically to
> you:
>
>
> What's the matter? Find find the answer in Wikipedia, trailer-trash
> homo punk?
inside china
>
> When confronted again, all you could say was "go suck up to your
> racist friend house nigger"
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/4da8eea9e620ae9e...
rst0wxyz
Anti-DabianchenVirus
> your the tweaker meth freak posting at 2am or you are posting from
> inside china
Proof that you are a LIAR, Tom Jigme Wheat.
On the 17th of February, 2011, you accused me of advocating the
overthrow of American democracy, and "just a loud mouth with a one
inch rice dick":
http://groups.google.com/group/talk.politics.tibet/msg/3535c4db40a0115c?hl=en
I have since then asked you to prove it and you couldn't. All you
could do was beat around the bush and assume:
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/555a9caec9d9e24b?hl=en
making further accusations: "that makes you a foreign agent of the CCP
in my book. If your here on a visa it will be soon revoked":
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/f7d716c7958c0743?hl=en
, knowing full-well That I am an American and that I support the
American democracy in the USA:
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/8e211f9563fe6443?hl=en
.
On the 5th of March, 2011, you finally admitted:
"I cant prove that you want to see america overthrown"
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/eca9ae060e064bc3?hl=en
You couldn't even answer someone else's post directed specifically to
you:
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/0f1189f2e8d25e9c?hl=en
What's the matter? Find find the answer in Wikipedia, trailer-trash
homo punk?
When confronted again, all you could say was "go suck up to your
racist friend house nigger"
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/4da8eea9e620ae9e?hl=en
Anti-DabianchenVirus
wrote:
> he called you a chink and obama a nigger. he is the redneck racist.
> You are a house nigger racist against your fellow chinese people
> believing them to be too stupid for democracy. And you suck up to a
> guy who called you a chink. that's the same as calling a black man a
> nigger.
Still trying to give excuses for not being able to answer a post
directed specifically towards you huh?
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/0f1189f2e8d25e9c?hl=en
What's the matter? Can't find the answer in Wikipedia, trailer-trash
homo punk?
Anti-DabianchenVirus
> your the tweaker meth freak posting at 2am or you are posting from
> inside china
Ha-Ha! Never even heard of different U.S. time zones, heh, trailer-
trash homo punk? You think that the whole world is in your time zone!
ROTFL!
I was born in the U.S., I grew up and went to school in the U.S., I
have an American passport, and I live and work in the U.S., but you
are too dumb to know that though, aren't you, homo punk?
Still trying to give excuses for not being able to answer a post
directed specifically towards you huh?
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/0f1189f2e8d25e9c?hl=en
What's the matter? Can't find the answer in Wikipedia, trailer-trash
homo punk?
Tom Jigme Wheat
wrote:
> On Mar 12, 3:19 pm, Tom Jigme Wheat <thomaswheat1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > your the tweaker meth freak posting at 2am or you are posting from
> > inside china
> > yes you are racist against your own people
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/1b9350ca49b75bb7?dmode=source
>
> Ha-Ha! Never even heard of different U.S. time zones, heh, trailer-
> trash homo punk? You think that the whole world is in your time zone!
> ROTFL!
>
california. so either your a meth freak or you are posting from inside
china. 50 cent bum.
> I was born in the U.S., I grew up and went to school in the U.S., I
> have an American passport, and I live and work in the U.S., but you
> are too dumb to know that though, aren't you, homo punk?
you lie 50 cent bum
>
Anti-DabianchenVirus
>
> your profile states that you live in california. I also live in
> california. so either your a meth freak or you are posting from inside
> china. 50 cent bum.
Ha-ha! Never gone out from your trailer-park huh, trailer-trash homo
punk, let alone travel around the U.S.?
Proof that you are a LIAR, Tom Jigme Wheat:
On the 17th of February, 2011, you accused me of advocating the
overthrow of American democracy, and "just a loud mouth with a one
inch rice dick":
http://groups.google.com/group/talk.politics.tibet/msg/3535c4db40a0115c?hl=en
I have since then asked you to prove it and you couldn't. All you
could do was beat around the bush and assume:
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/555a9caec9d9e24b?hl=en
making further accusations: "that makes you a foreign agent of the CCP
in my book. If your here on a visa it will be soon revoked":
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/f7d716c7958c0743?hl=en
, knowing full-well That I am an American and that I support the
American democracy in the USA:
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/8e211f9563fe6443?hl=en
.
On the 5th of March, 2011, you finally admitted:
"I cant prove that you want to see america overthrown"
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/eca9ae060e064bc3?hl=en
You couldn't even answer someone else's post directed specifically to
you:
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/0f1189f2e8d25e9c?hl=en
What's the matter? Find find the answer in Wikipedia, trailer-trash
homo punk?
You are so dumb that you didn't even know the United States has
different time zones:
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/9353ea9cd1e264ba?hl=en
When confronted again, all you could say was "go suck up to your
racist friend house nigger"
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/4da8eea9e620ae9e?hl=en
Tom Jigme Wheat
prove anything. Why are you wusong and rst0wxyz so racist against
tibetans.
http://groups.google.com/group/talk.politics.tibet/browse_thread/thread/66ff507e9cc559fe/5ed185ba50b01065?lnk=gst&q=ihug.co.nz#5ed185ba50b01065
Why are you racist against your fellow citizens in china, believing
them to be too stupid for democracy. Your best friend rst0xyz is a
holocaust denier.
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/1b9350ca49b75bb7?dmode=source
I notice also that you are racist against blacks
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.singapore/msg/a402c6f4331ac345
your just a midget bigoted troll. doing all that meth must have made
you a schizophrenic.
thomaswheat1975
On Mar 17, 5:30 pm, Anti-DabianchenVirus <wuso...@rocketmail.com>
wrote:
> On Mar 17, 5:13 pm, Tom Jigme Wheat <thomaswheat1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > your profile states that you live in california. I also live in
> > california. so either your a meth freak or you are posting from inside
> > china. 50 cent bum.
>
> Ha-ha! Never gone out from your trailer-park huh, trailer-trash homo
> punk, let alone travel around the U.S.?
>
> Proof that you are a LIAR, Tom Jigme Wheat:
>
> On the 17th of February, 2011, you accused me of advocating the
> overthrow of American democracy, and "just a loud mouth with a one
> inch rice dick":
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/talk.politics.tibet/msg/3535c4db40a011...
>
> I have since then asked you to prove it and you couldn't. All you
> could do was beat around the bush and assume:
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/555a9caec9d9e24b...
>
> making further accusations: "that makes you a foreign agent of the CCP
> in my book. If your here on a visa it will be soon revoked":
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/f7d716c7958c0743...
> , knowing full-well That I am an American and that I support the
> American democracy in the USA:
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/8e211f9563fe6443...
> .
>
> On the 5th of March, 2011, you finally admitted:
>
> "I cant prove that you want to see america overthrown"
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/eca9ae060e064bc3...
>
> You couldn't even answer someone else's post directed specifically to
> you:
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/0f1189f2e8d25e9c...
>
> What's the matter? Find find the answer in Wikipedia, trailer-trash
> homo punk?
>
> You are so dumb that you didn't even know the United States has
> different time zones:
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/9353ea9cd1e264ba...
>
> When confronted again, all you could say was "go suck up to your
> racist friend house nigger"
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/4da8eea9e620ae9e...
abc118
Xizang (Lhasa) Tibetan News 2011-03-17 1/3 ??????
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whPl7R1ddCY&feature=autoplay&list=QL&index=3&playnext=13
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kv_qmIJHNRM&feature=autoplay&list=QL&index=4&playnext=14
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aD8df2hy8HQ&feature=bf_next&list=QL&index=2
"Tom Jigme Wheat" <thomasw...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:6ce87291-10ac-4c3e...@d26g2000prn.googlegroups.com...
Anti-DabianchenVirus
> you are obviously mentaly unstable and out of ideas. these links donot
> prove anything.
Ha-ha! Another "obviously" from "Jig Me" the trailer-trash uneducated
homo punk.
So, you've never gone out from your trailer-park huh, trailer-trash
homo punk, let alone travel around the U.S.?
"these links donot prove anything"? That's because you are uneducated
and can't comprehend their significance!
Proof that you are a LIAR, Tom Jigme Wheat:
On the 17th of February, 2011, you accused me of advocating the
overthrow of American democracy, and "just a loud mouth with a one
inch rice dick":
http://groups.google.com/group/talk.politics.tibet/msg/3535c4db40a0115c?hl=en
I have since then asked you to prove it and you couldn't. All you
could do was beat around the bush and assume:
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/555a9caec9d9e24b?hl=en
making further accusations: "that makes you a foreign agent of the CCP
in my book. If your here on a visa it will be soon revoked":
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/f7d716c7958c0743?hl=en
, knowing full-well That I am an American and that I support the
American democracy in the USA:
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/8e211f9563fe6443?hl=en
.
On the 5th of March, 2011, you finally admitted:
"I cant prove that you want to see america overthrown"
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/eca9ae060e064bc3?hl=en
You couldn't even answer someone else's post directed specifically to
you:
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/0f1189f2e8d25e9c?hl=en
What's the matter? Find find the answer in Wikipedia, trailer-trash
homo punk?
You are so dumb that you didn't even know the United States has
different time zones:
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/9353ea9cd1e264ba?hl=en
When confronted again, all you could say was "go suck up to your
racist friend house nigger"
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/4da8eea9e620ae9e?hl=en
Jakub A. Krzewicki
<thomasw...@gmail.com>
contaminated soc.culture.china with the following letter:
> http://www.dailypioneer.com/323323/Karmapa-seen-as-future-leader.html
>
> Karmapa seen as future leader
> March 12, 2011 6:06:32 AM
>
> Sunanda K Datta-Ray
Which Karmapa? There is exactly two candidates and if you mean Trinley Thaye
Dorjee, he is considered as Karmapa only due to some external claim of
recognition by Dalai Lama. So he maybe fits as a Tibetan _political_ leader
but as far as the Kagyu school is concerned, not so much. If we have to
choose a the correct answer about right _Karma_ _Kagyu_ spiritual
leadership, can't it be rather the Shamarpa's candidate Urgyen Trinley?
Let's leave Trinley Thaye Dorjee no more than a politician in which, without
any doubt, he _is_ talented, and as a Gelugpa-connected minor tulku who in
fact he is, but rather not a legitimate head of the Kagyupas.
--
tois egregorosin hena kai koinon kosmon einai
ton de koimomenon hekaston eis idion apostrephesthai
http://lordwinterisle.blogspot.com/
bak yim sing
"Jakub A. Krzewicki" wrote:
> sobota, 12 marca 2011 01:37. carbon entity 'Tom Jigme Wheat'
> <thomasw...@gmail.com>
> contaminated soc.culture.china with the following letter:
>
> > http://www.dailypioneer.com/323323/Karmapa-seen-as-future-leader.html
> >
> > Karmapa seen as future leader
> > March 12, 2011 6:06:32 AM
> >
> > Sunanda K Datta-Ray
>
> Which Karmapa? There is exactly two candidates and if you mean Trinley Thaye
> Dorjee,
I think you mean Ogyen Trinley Dorje.
> he is considered as Karmapa only due to some external claim of
> recognition by Dalai Lama. So he maybe fits as a Tibetan _political_ leader
> but as far as the Kagyu school is concerned, not so much. If we have to
> choose a the correct answer about right _Karma_ _Kagyu_ spiritual
> leadership, can't it be rather the Shamarpa's candidate Urgyen Trinley?
> Let's leave Trinley Thaye Dorjee no more than a politician in which, without
> any doubt, he _is_ talented, and as a Gelugpa-connected minor tulku who in
> fact he is, but rather not a legitimate head of the Kagyupas.
>
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karmapa_controversy
Karma Kagyu teachers such as Ole Nydahl have said that the spiritual
realization of the Karmapas and their worthiness as reincarnations will
be shown clearly by their future actions.
Jakub A. Krzewicki
contaminated soc.culture.china with the following letter:
> I think you mean Ogyen Trinley Dorje.
Yeah, I reverted the names because of some disturbing emotions that appeared
--- in connection with some other unrelated case.
Namely: some radical Protestant have stong grievances agains me because I've
recently started writing poetry and opened my blog about Heathen
Reconstructionism, Gnosticism, magic and shamanism, directed for Polish
audience. They insulted me publicly in Usenet, suggested that some spirits
who inspire me are satanic demons and even that I have some connections to
the NWO conspiracy, and they generally try to ridicule and insult me another
way, trying to torpedo my advertising efforts on the Polish public
unmoderated group about religion, which they recently dominated.
I never ever experienced such a gargantuan flood of human anger directed at
me before, even if I try to mitigate the conflict. What's more I have not
even any problems with Roman Catholic majority about my activity who said
not a word about it, only with those radical Christian minorities.
> Karma Kagyu teachers such as Ole Nydahl have said that the spiritual
> realization of the Karmapas and their worthiness as reincarnations will
> be shown clearly by their future actions.
Maybe. But there is more sympathy to Thaye Dorjee in Europe, not to say he
is educated both in Tibetan and Western culture.
bak yim sing
"Jakub A. Krzewicki" wrote:
> piÄ…tek, 15 kwietnia 2011 09:19. carbon entity 'bak yim sing' <b...@bys.com>
I can tell the Kagyu Tibetan Buddhism is extremely popular in Europe and
in Poland. Like the following wiki article on Karmapa Controversy. There
are no Asian languages like Chinese, Korean, Japanese or Vietnamese which
details the controversy but Dutch, French, Polish and English. It seems that
the Kagyu Tibetan Buddhism is more popular in Europe than in Asia.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karmapa_controversy
Jakub A. Krzewicki
contaminated talk.politics.tibet with the following letter:
>
> I can tell the Kagyu Tibetan Buddhism is extremely popular in Europe and
> in Poland. Like the following wiki article on Karmapa Controversy. There
> are no Asian languages like Chinese, Korean, Japanese or Vietnamese which
> details the controversy but Dutch, French, Polish and English. It seems
> that the Kagyu Tibetan Buddhism is more popular in Europe than in Asia.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karmapa_controversy
The problem is that Kagyu Sanghas in Europe are threatened from within by
some members who only pay lip servvice instead fuly respecting the teaching
of masters. Gossips against Sangha, gossips in Sangha spread by illoyal
members against the loyal ones is much more problem than in tibet. There's
no place to conduct any detailed discussion about it. I think it demands
rather an internal dharma debate.
Since I had a misfortune to be among the object of those gossips, I've
chosen to stay away from the local Kagyu Sangha just for security, both
physical one and the one of my reputation. There is hard to be a "great
sorcerer" exploring some occult topics and not to be a target of false and
humiliating insanity- or violence-connected accusations from some
gossippers.
Whatever I do, I always meet both with an extreme popularity and extreme
unpopulariity. What's wroong with my karma? Is it possible that I
accidentally encroached into the field of _unusuallly_ _increased_ activity
of Lord Mara, as some of my opponents sugggest?
Jakub A. Krzewicki
contaminated talk.politics.tibet with the following letter:
>
> I can tell the Kagyu Tibetan Buddhism is extremely popular in Europe and
> in Poland. Like the following wiki article on Karmapa Controversy. There
> are no Asian languages like Chinese, Korean, Japanese or Vietnamese which
> details the controversy but Dutch, French, Polish and English. It seems
> that the Kagyu Tibetan Buddhism is more popular in Europe than in Asia.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karmapa_controversy
The problem is that Kagyu Sanghas in Europe are threatened from within by
some members who only pay lip servvice instead fuly respecting the teaching
of masters. Gossips against Sangha, gossips in Sangha spread by illoyal
members against the loyal ones is much more problem than in Tibet. There's
no place to conduct any detailed discussion about it. I think it demands
rather an internal Dharma debate.
Since I had a misfortune to be among the object of those gossips, I've
chosen to stay away from the local Kagyu Sangha just for security, both
physical one and the one of my reputation. There is hard to be a "great
sorcerer" exploring some occult topics and not to be a target of false and
humiliating insanity- or violence-connected accusations from some
gossippers.
Whatever I do, I always meet both with an extreme popularity and extreme
unpopulariity. What's wroong with my karma? Is it possible that I
accidentally encroached into the field of _unusually_ _increased_ activity
of Lord Mara, as some of my opponents sugggest?
PS. This new keyboard tastes my patience. It functions really poor...
bak yim sing
"Jakub A. Krzewicki" wrote:
> sobota, 16 kwietnia 2011 01:28. carbon entity 'bak yim sing' <b...@bys.com>
> contaminated talk.politics.tibet with the following letter:
> >
> > I can tell the Kagyu Tibetan Buddhism is extremely popular in Europe and
> > in Poland. Like the following wiki article on Karmapa Controversy. There
> > are no Asian languages like Chinese, Korean, Japanese or Vietnamese which
> > details the controversy but Dutch, French, Polish and English. It seems
> > that the Kagyu Tibetan Buddhism is more popular in Europe than in Asia.
> >
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karmapa_controversy
>
> The problem is that Kagyu Sanghas in Europe are threatened from within by
> some members who only pay lip servvice instead fuly respecting the teaching
> of masters. Gossips against Sangha, gossips in Sangha spread by illoyal
> members against the loyal ones is much more problem than in Tibet.
See if I could quiet your mind. Are there any differences between loyalists
or disloalists. This is dualism. One step away, you see the whole. The whole
rather than the fractions.
> There's no place to conduct any detailed discussion about it. I think it
> demands
> rather an internal Dharma debate.
If you cannot conduct any discussions, the time, place or the people involved
are not ready for it. Some people are never ready. Some are about to be ready.
That is why the Masters have to test it. If you are ready, a casual saying from
the master will make you enlighten. Just like Isaac Newton got hit by a falling
apple
and discovered gravity.It is because Newton is ready.
> Since I had a misfortune to be among the object of those gossips, I've
> chosen to stay away from the local Kagyu Sangha just for security, both
> physical one and the one of my reputation.
What is reputation? This is egoism. Subserve your ego and you will feel better.
> There is hard to be a "great
> sorcerer" exploring some occult topics and not to be a target of false and
> humiliating insanity- or violence-connected accusations from some
> gossippers.
>
> Whatever I do, I always meet both with an extreme popularity and extreme
> unpopulariity. What's wroong with my karma?
This is your ego.
Peter Terpstra (Anti-CCP)
> It is because Newton is ready.
Also believe that meditation is an important tool to observe and study the self.
Warm Regards,
Peter
AntiDabianchenVirus
Ha! What good has meditation done for you, old Dutch faggot? You're
still an ignorant old troll spamming the internet with hate posts
against China.
Proof that Peter (the old Dutch faggot) Turd hates China, and wants to
see China destroyed as a nation:
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/681bd104719b66a4?hl=en
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/233562b454be69d1?hl=en
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.singapore/msg/dc563333f233affd
He claims he does not have a country to call his own, and for lack of
anything better to do in his miserable life, he is content with being
the Dalai's ass wipe, posting anti-China propaganda on these
newsgroups, in the hope of irritating any Chinese who may read them.
How pathetic.
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/b7ec90ce835777b6?hl=en
Tibet is part of China:
http://ibnlive.in.com/news/us-says-tibet-belongs-to-china-beijing-smiles/105389-2.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CSbsyX9IkI
The Dalai should be arrested and shot for treason.
rst0wxyz
racist bigoted Tibetan Clown confirms again that he's a China haters,
and want to see China destroyed as a nation: Now, go suck your dalai
and fuck your yaks and kiwis.
bak yim sing
"Peter Terpstra (Anti-CCP)" wrote:
> bak yim sing wrote:
>
> > It is because Newton is ready.
>
> Also believe that meditation is an important tool to observe and study the self.
And then dissolve your self because there is no self.
We are all part of the Universe fabric.
>
>
> Warm Regards,
>
> Peter
Peter Terpstra
>> Also believe that meditation is an important tool to observe and study
>> the self.
>
> And then dissolve your self because there is no self.
> We are all part of the Universe fabric.
:-)
No self, no problem...
Give up everything that we do not need will make us free and happy.
Warm Reagrds,
Peter
~
of truth and righteousness. I am happy now.
Return and you will find the shore of happyness.
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