Supreme Leader of Iran Ayatollah Khāmene’i (1939-2009)
Demorising
Khamenei has died. The formal announcement is expected to be made
tomorrow morning (Tehran time) .
rst9
And he's a year and a half younger than I am. That is what Happens
when you believe in myth like god.
lo yeeOn
I'm puzzled by your statement. Generally, one's longevity has little
to do with whether you believe in myth, mush, or money in general.
In Ali Khamenei's case, he was quite badly injuried in the 1970s
during an assessination attempt at his life when a bomb hidden in a
tape recorder while he was giving a speech. So, one would expect that
his long term longevity is somehow impacted.
And recently, the unrest in Iran must have aggravated his health a
great deal more since his status as the supreme leader of the country
was directly challenged by not only the politicians involved in the
election but also other clerics and Iran has been constantly under
external threat from the most powerful quarters.
The correlation between stress and the decline of health is well
documented, which has little to do with whether you believe in myth,
mush, money or no god.
In fact, Khamenei's predecessor, the ayatollah Khomeini, also a myth
believer of essentially the same strain I assume you would agree, died
in his high eighties while Lenin, one of the most famous avowed
atheist, died in his mid-fifties.
Wikipedia on Lenin's decline of health and death:
The physical strains of leading a revolution, running a government,
and fighting a civil war aggravated the debilitation caused by his
wounds from the attempted assassinations; Lenin still had a bullet
in the neck, until a German surgeon removed it on 24 April 1922.[72]
In May 1922, Lenin suffered the first of three strokes, which
diminished his governing. In December 1922, he suffered a second
stroke that partly paralyzed his right side; he withdrew from active
politics. In March 1923, he suffered a third stroke that left him
dumb and bed-ridden until he died[in 1924].
So, one would expect that Kamenei has also been under a lot of strains
from leading a revolution and running a government which has been
under constant external threat of annihilation (with US forward bases
established in the east in Afghanistan and in the west in Iraq).
God or no god, one's belief is not directly linked to one's death in
general, but worldly things are.
Like the Christian Bible teaches, God rains on the just and the unjust.
And so, the god-believing people have been forewarned: Don't bring any
liability suit against God should you or your loved one die before the
time.
THIS CLERIC BELIEVES IN SCIENCE AND STEM-CELL RESEARCH
But one thing people in the West as well as in Iran should be happy to
learn is that Ali Khamenei, a former president of Iran himself for two
terms, has strongly advocated science and technology for his country
and his people, including the encouragement of stem-cell research,
believing that the future of the country depends on the welath of
knowledge its people have. The people in the West should be glad
because often their charge against the Muslims is that the latter are
ignorant or act ignorantly. So, for the hope of a more peaceful world
in the future, rise in consciousness of the Muslims must be a good
thing, at least for the people in the West.
But of course, any good thing must come from both sides. That means
that the people from the West must also rise from their ignorance,
which is plenty, given how they have been so easily misled by their
warmongering leaders and how they have tended to rationalize the
atrocities against the innocent and defenseless people in Iraq,
Afghanistan, and Pakistan.
The leaders in Washington are telling us that we would be more careful
but we must keep fighting the Taliban, in Afghanistan and in Pakistan,
because they are disrupting the supply routes for our terror war in
that region.
But people never ask why we have to use all those extra routes and
make such costly defense of them, when we already have this sprawling
Bagram military base in Afghanistan itself.
Why shouldn't the military bring all the supply to Bagram by air first
and then distirbute it accordingly? It would seem to be the most
sensible and efficient thing to do especially when you have total
control over the air transport corridor into Afghanistan.
But right now, Bagram is sitting back like a defense fortress as if
our military is being attacked from all sides and must be making our
last stand in a citadel or kremlin to survive.
People just don't ask what is the point of Bagram, since it's not
doing any fighting while our young soldiers and their counterparts
from our European allies are bleeding to keep those supply routes
open. It all seems very mysterious to me. But if you think more
deeply, the most logical explanation, and probably the only one, is
that all the fighting in Afghanistan and now even in Pakistan is to do
the reverse and that is to protect our control of the Bagram base.
And I bet that under the sprawling ground of the Bagram base for miles
and miles, there are doors with signs posted saying:
TOP SECRET RESEARCH
and nobody knows what that research might be except that it must be of
military importance.
Of course, the next question is why can't they do this in the deserts
of Arizona or New Mexico and save a bundle (read trillions)?
And the answer might be: it might just have something to do with how
experimental can your research be if you had been confined to your own
backyard when you had some experiments which might shake up everybody
at home?
So, why we've been given this myth about the need to fight terrorism
in Afghanistan, which has to be a giant red herring after eight years,
when our adversary consists of only ragtag, near-illiterate indigenous
Afghans who wear robes and sandals and no body armor, and we swallow
it as if it is some golden truth?
The answer is simple. We also are ignorant ourselves as we accuse the
Afghans and the Iraqis for being and believe in myth.
By the way, the guy, Michael Ledeen, who has been blogging about the
ayatollah's death, has the reputation of having rigged up the infamous
bogus WMD intelligence for George Bush to justify his invasion.
According to Wikipedia:
Michael Ledeen had been accused of being involved in the forgery
which claimed that Saddam Hussein had bought yellowcake in Niger.
. . .
Regarding regime change in Iraq, in 2002 Ledeen criticized the views
of former National Security Adviser Brent Scowcroft, writing:[18]
He [Scowcroft] fears that if we attack Iraq "I think we could have
an explosion in the Middle East. It could turn the whole region into
a cauldron and destroy the War on Terror." One can only hope that
we turn the region into a cauldron, and faster, please. If ever
there were a region that richly deserved being cauldronized, it is
the Middle East today. If we wage the war effectively, we will bring
down the terror regimes in Iraq, Iran, and Syria, and either bring
down the Saudi monarchy or force it to abandon its global assembly
line to indoctrinate young terrorists. That's our mission in the
war against terror.
Ledeen specifically called for the deposition of Saddam Hussein's
regime by force in 2002:
So it's good news when Scowcroft comes out against the
desperately-needed and long overdue war against Saddam Hussein and
the rest of the terror masters.[18]
and:
Question #2: Okay, well if we are all so certain about the dire need
to invade Iraq, then when do we do so? Ledeen: Yesterday[19]
Ledeen's statements prior to the start of the Iraq war such as
"desperately-needed and long overdue war against Saddam Hussein" and
"dire need to invade Iraq" make his later statement that he "opposed
the military invasion of Iraq before it took place" to be an
"outright lie" to Glenn Greenwald.[20] However, Ledeen maintains
these statements are consistent since: "I advocated as I still do
support for political revolution in Iran as the logical and necessary
first step in the war against the terror masters."[21]
And so Ledeen certainly has an unclean hand in all things about Iran.
He also gave a false report of Ali Kamenei's death in 2007, two years
ago. And he heads the infamous Defense of Democracies, the aim of
which is not so much to defend democracies but to start wars for the
new American century. He is a central figure in the Project for the
New American Century (PNAC) which has brought to the world nothing but
wars and grief since the new millennium. So, whether he's right this
time is immaterial. He has an agenda and his agenda is to make regime
changes while his method is more often than not mass deception, even
fooling us into thinking that we have to bankrupt ourselves to fight
all these bogus terror wars of deep hegemonic motivation. So, I'm
inclinded to believe that these rumors are more designed to
destabilize rather than reports of probable truth. In fact, he makes
myths and makes them in such a way that the ignorant masses want to
swallow them whole.
Ladeen is a mythmaker. When it comes to the mortality of men, it's
bound to be true some time. But most of the time, I wouldn't trust
him.
lo yeeOn
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lo yeeOn
I'm puzzled by your statement. Generally, one's longevity has little
to do with whether you believe in myth, mush, or money in general.
In Ali Khamenei's case, he was quite badly injuried in the 1970s
during an assassination attempt at his life when a bomb hidden in a
tape recorder while he was giving a speech. So, one would expect that
his long term longevity is somehow impacted.
And recently, the unrest in Iran must have aggravated his health a
great deal more since his status as the supreme leader of the country
was directly challenged by not only the politicians involved in the
election but also other clerics and Iran has been constantly under
external threat from the most powerful quarters.
The correlation between stress and the decline of health is well
documented, which has little to do with whether you believe in myth,
mush, money or no god.
In fact, Khamenei's predecessor, the ayatollah Khomeini, also a myth
believer of essentially the same strain I assume you would agree, died
in his high eighties while V. I. Lenin, one of the most famous avowed
atheists, died in his mid-fifties.
Wikipedia on Lenin's decline of health and death:
The physical strains of leading a revolution, running a government,
and fighting a civil war aggravated the debilitation caused by his
wounds from the attempted assassinations; Lenin still had a bullet
in the neck, until a German surgeon removed it on 24 April 1922.[72]
In May 1922, Lenin suffered the first of three strokes, which
diminished his governing. In December 1922, he suffered a second
stroke that partly paralyzed his right side; he withdrew from active
politics. In March 1923, he suffered a third stroke that left him
dumb and bed-ridden until he died[in 1924].
So, one would expect that Kamenei has also been under a lot of strains
from leading a revolution and running a government which has been
under constant external threat of annihilation (with US forward bases
established in the east in Afghanistan and in the west in Iraq).
God or no god, one's belief is not directly linked to one's death in
general, but worldly things are.
Like the Christian Bible teaches, God rains on the just and the unjust.
And so, the god-believing people have been forewarned: Don't bring any
liability suit against God should you or your loved ones die before
the time.
THIS CLERIC BELIEVES IN SCIENCE AND STEM-CELL RESEARCH
But one thing people in the West as well as in Iran should be happy to
learn is that Ali Khamenei, a former president of Iran himself for two
terms, has strongly advocated science and technology for his country
and his people, including the encouragement of stem-cell research,
believing that the future of the country depends on the wealth of
knowledge its people have. The people in the West should be glad
because often their charge against the Muslims is that the latter are
ignorant or act ignorantly. So, for the hope of a more peaceful world
in the future, rise in consciousness of the Muslims must be a good
thing, at least for the people in the West.
But of course, any good thing must come from both sides. That means
that the people from the West must also rise from their ignorance,
which is plenty, given how they have been so easily misled by their
warmongering leaders and how they have tended to rationalize the
atrocities against the innocent and defenseless people in Iraq,
Afghanistan, and Pakistan.
The leaders in Washington are telling us that we would be more careful
but we must keep fighting the Taliban, in Afghanistan and in Pakistan,
because they are disrupting the supply routes for our terror war in
that region.
But people never ask why we have to use all those extra routes and
make such costly defense of them, when we already have this sprawling
Bagram air base in Afghanistan itself.
Why shouldn't the military bring all the supplies to Bagram by air
first and then distirbute them to points of destination accordingly?
Why do we have to run the Taliban gaunlet through Pakistan when we can
freely use Afghanistan's airspace and launch airstrikes anywhere daily
over the whole country?
By removing these avoidable land transport supply operations, we stop
inflaming Pakistan, cut down the attacks against NATO convoys which
run the routes, and hence eliminate much of the fighting we say we
must do currently.
But instead of doing that, we keep Bagram idle for the fighting,
making it look like a defense post even though the Afghan operation
has always been offensive in nature and complain about the Taliban
attacks against supply convoys and about not getting enough soldiers
to fight and die.
People just don't ask what is the point of Bagram, since it's not
doing any fighting while our young soldiers and their counterparts
from our European allies are bleeding to keep those supply routes
open. It all seems very mysterious to me. But if you think more
deeply, the most logical explanation, and probably the only one, is
that all the fighting in Afghanistan and now even in Pakistan is to do
the reverse and that is to protect our control of the Bagram base.
And I bet that under the sprawling ground of the Bagram base for miles
and miles, there are doors with signs posted saying:
TOP SECRET RESEARCH
and nobody knows what that research might be except that it must be of
military importance.
Of course, the next question is why can't they do this in the deserts
of Arizona or New Mexico and save a bundle (read trillions)?
And the answer might be: it might just have something to do with how
experimental can your research be if you had been confined to your own
backyard when you had some experiments which might shake up everybody
at home?
So, why we've been given this myth about the need to fight terrorism
in Afghanistan, which has to be a giant red herring after eight years,
when our adversary consists of only ragtag, near-illiterate indigenous
Afghans who wear robes and sandals and no body armor, and we swallow
it as if it is some golden truth?
The answer is simple. We also believe in myths in the same sense they
do, vis-a-vis our professed belief in gods, without much introspection
and critical thinking. So we can be as ignorant as we think they are.
And our uncritical support for our foreign wars, even at a time when
we're bankrupt, does show that we're collectively quite ignorant.
That in itself does explain why we swallow the official propaganda
that we are fighting terrorism in Afghanistan when we are most likely
just fighting in Afghanistan to keep the use of Bagram for top-secret
military test progorams and take the next step to attack Iran and/or
Pakistan.
wusong
Any more false reports you want to post? So far, you haven't done
anything else, have you?
On Oct 14, 1:34 pm, Demorising <demoris...@aol.com> wrote:
abia...@my-deja.com
but you can NOT.
喂 psycho Xangdi 屁精! 小樓昨夜趕羚羊, 不知今昔是何年 ! 聽不懂吧?! 好爽! 哈哈!
On Oct 16, 3:57 pm, wusong <wus...@rocketmail.com> wrote:
> http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/blog/2009/oct/15/khamenei-iran-rumour...
>
> Any more false reports you want to post? So far, you haven't done
> anything else, have you?
>
> On Oct 14, 1:34 pm, Demorising <demoris...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> >http://www.antimullah.com/
>
> > Khamenei has died. The formal announcement is expected to be made
> > tomorrow morning (Tehran time) .
>
> >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ali_Khamenei- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Demorising
> http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/blog/2009/oct/15/khamenei-iran-rumour...
>
> anything else, have you?
"The man who reads nothing at all is better educated than the man who
reads nothing but newspapers."
-- Thomas Jefferson (1743-1826), 3rd president of US
report2009
On Oct 16, 5:00 pm, wusong <wus...@rocketmail.com> wrote:
> Is that your excuse?
> So, which one do you consider yourself to be? Or was that directed to
> that Philippino retard?
> > > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ali_Khamenei-Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
Anti-DabianchenVirus
That only shows that you, abianchen/Meichi, are NOT Chinese, and that
you can't speak, read/write Chinese other than cut-and-paste words and
articles from the internet. You are a pathological liar with no life
worth living, and all you can do is troll the net and lie, because you
are so ugly and your real life is so miserable. You have the mentality
of a pre-teen, and your level of education is way down below. Your
life was, is, and forever will be - miserable.
> > > > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ali_Khamenei-Hidequoted text -
report2009
On Oct 16, 8:15 pm, Anti-DabianchenVirus <wuso...@rocketmail.com>
wrote:
> > > > > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ali_Khamenei-Hidequotedtext -
Anti-DabianchenVirus
That only shows that you, abianchen/Meichi, are NOT Chinese, and that
you can't speak, read/write Chinese other than cut-and-paste words and
articles from the internet. You are a pathological liar with no life
worth living, and all you can do is troll the net and lie, because you
are so ugly and your real life is so miserable. You have the mentality
of a pre-teen, and your level of education is way down below. Your
life was, is, and forever will be - miserable.
ltlee1
> On Oct 16, 3:57 pm, wusong <wus...@rocketmail.com> wrote:
>
> >http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/blog/2009/oct/15/khamenei-iran-rumour...
>
> > Any more false reports you want to post? So far, you haven't done
> > anything else, have you?
>
> "The man who reads nothing at all is better educated than the man who
> reads nothing but newspapers."
> -- Thomas Jefferson (1743-1826), 3rd president of US
Thank you for the quote.
Quite a recommandation on American free press as a dumbing down
device.
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Oct 14, 1:34 pm, Demorising <demoris...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > >http://www.antimullah.com/
>
> > > Khamenei has died. The formal announcement is expected to be made
> > > tomorrow morning (Tehran time) .
>
> > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ali_Khamenei- Hide quoted text -
report2009
On Oct 16, 8:41 pm, Anti-DabianchenVirus <wuso...@rocketmail.com>
Anti-DabianchenVirus
puta abianchen/Meichi? All you can do is repeat the girlish infantile
insults that you were spewing before you got it, revealing you to be
idiot that you are anyway. You still can't use it to answer posts in
Chinese! Bwahahahaha!!
wusong
those two do you categorize yourself, or was that aimed specifically
at that uneducated Philippino whore who can only cut-and-paste
internet articles to post?
On Oct 16, 1:26 pm, Demorising <demoris...@aol.com> wrote:
> > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ali_Khamenei- Hide quoted text -
report2009
but you can NOT.
Psycho Xangdi, you don’t know Chinese language, you must feel like a
fool because you don’t know what others say to you in Chinese. You
must be frustrasted so you want to harass netters, right?
Psycho Xangdi, 不會中文很沮喪吧! 像個儍瓜对吧!
> > > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ali_Khamenei-Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
Anti-DabianchenVirus
openly admitted you can't write Chinese:
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/7576019d05116a21?hl=en
.
What you are doing now is merely displaying your mental retardation
with these girlish infantile insults you cut-and-pasted from the
internet. How pathetic! Bwahahahaha!!!
> > > > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ali_Khamenei-Hidequoted text -
report2009
but you can NOT.
Psycho Xangdi, you don’t know Chinese language, you must feel like a
fool because you don’t know what others say to you in Chinese. You
must be frustrasted so you want to harass netters, right?
Psycho Xangdi, 不會中文很沮喪吧! 像個儍瓜对吧!
On Oct 17, 8:21 am, Anti-DabianchenVirus <wuso...@rocketmail.com>
wrote:
> Hey, ugly lesbian pathological liar puta abianchen/Meichi! You have
> openly admitted you can't write Chinese:http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/7576019d05116a21...
> > > > > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ali_Khamenei-Hidequotedtext -
Anti-DabianchenVirus
Demorising
No excuses needed or given. Stay tuned!
rst0wxyz
My bet is;
Xi Jinping will NOT be the next president of China. The man in power
currently can and will trump over any rival who tries to derail him.
ltlee1
All ears.
wusong
Where is that TAM that was supposed to happen in Teheran after the
election?