Physics becoming the new "post modernism"
GatherNoMoss
A circle jerk in madness, created for no other good reason as to
provide jobs for a nonfunctional intellectual elite.
Is this what our mighty physics has degenerated into ?
Is physics waving the white flag of surrender ?
An admission that problems are simply beyond human capacity ?
Physics departments ARE indeed closing in many universities.
Students see no future in it.
And those that are left are descending into a sad lonely dialogue in a
language which is their own.
Unuseable to humanity, unrecognizable to reality....
Here we go round the prickly pear
Prickly pear prickly pear
Here we go round the prickly pear
At five o'clock in the morning.
Between the idea
And the reality
Between the motion
And the act
Falls the Shadow
For Thine is the Kingdom
Between the conception
And the creation
Between the emotion
And the response
Falls the Shadow
Life is very long
Between the desire
And the spasm
Between the potency
And the existence
Between the essence
And the descent
Falls the Shadow
For Thine is the Kingdom
For Thine is
Life is
For Thine is the
This is the way the world (physics) ends
This is the way the world ends
This is the way the world ends
Not with a bang but a whimper.
TS Eliot
"When you click the link for the Postmodernism Generator
(www.elsewhere.org/pomo), a software robot working behind the scenes
instantly throws together a lit-crit parody with a title like this:
"Realities of Absurdity: The dialectic paradigm of context in the works
of Fellini." And a text that runs along these lines: "In a sense, the
main theme of the works of Fellini is the futility, and hence the
stasis, of precapitalist sexuality. An abundance of deconceptualisms
concerning a self-falsifying reality may be revealed."
Reload the page, and you get "The Dialectic of Sexual Identity:
Objectivism and Baudrillardist hyperreality" and then "The
Meaninglessness of Expression: Capitalist feminism in the works of
Pynchon."
With a tweak to the algorithms and a different database, the Web site
could probably be made to spit out what appear to be abstracts about
superstring theory: "Frobenius transformation, mirror map and instanton
numbers" or "Fractional two-branes, toric orbifolds and the quantum
McKay correspondence."
Those are actually titles of papers recently posted to the arXiv.org
repository of preprints in theoretical physics, and they may well be of
scientific worth--if, that is, superstring theory really is a science.
Two new books suggest otherwise: that the frenzy of research into
strings and branes and curled-up dimensions is a case of surface
without depth, a solipsistic shuffling of symbols as relevant to
understanding the universe as randomly generated dadaist prose.
In this grim assessment, string theory--an attempt to weave together
general relativity and quantum mechanics--is not just untested but
untestable, incapable of ever making predictions that can be
experimentally checked. With no means to verify its truth, superstring
theory, in the words of Burton Richter, director emeritus of the
Stanford Linear Accelerator Center, may turn out to be "a kind of
metaphysical wonderland." Yet it is being pursued as vigorously as
ever, its critics complain, treated as the only game in town.
"String theory now has such a dominant position in the academy that it
is practically career suicide for young theoretical physicists not to
join the field," writes Lee Smolin, a physicist at the Perimeter
Institute for Theoretical Physics, in The Trouble with Physics: The
Rise of String Theory, the Fall of a Science, and What Comes Next.
"Some young string theorists have told me that they feel constrained to
work on string theory whether or not they believe in it, because it is
perceived as the ticket to a professorship at a university."
more..........
http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?articleID=000713DC-8161-14E3-BAEC83414B7F0000&sc=I100322
Eric Gisse
GatherNoMoss wrote:
> Post modernism, a strange, useless practice in futility.
> A circle jerk in madness, created for no other good reason as to
> provide jobs for a nonfunctional intellectual elite.
>
> Is this what our mighty physics has degenerated into ?
> Is physics waving the white flag of surrender ?
> An admission that problems are simply beyond human capacity ?
>
> Physics departments ARE indeed closing in many universities.
> Students see no future in it.
> And those that are left are descending into a sad lonely dialogue in a
> language which is their own.
> Unuseable to humanity, unrecognizable to reality....
Oh, physics is useless?
The last century of technological advancement must have been a figment
of my imagination, then.
[...]
Dirk Van de moortel
"GatherNoMoss" <saint...@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:1162153585.1...@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> Post modernism, a strange, useless practice in futility.
Yes, without any doubt.
Read all about it in Alan Sokal and Jean Bricmont's brilliant book
http://www.physics.nyu.edu/faculty/sokal/#impostures
The most compelling piece of debunking you'll ever find.
Dirk Vdm
dcrespin
message.
Recently I started a thread on this group, a most critical one about
currently held beliefs in Physics, but relying mostly on technical
arguments. See
http://crespinnnb.com/RvsQHomeEng.html
You may want to download RvsQ.exe from this URL, run it and read the
Manifesto and the FAQ bundled there.
Cordially,
Daniel
jonathan
"GatherNoMoss" <saint...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1162153585.1...@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> A circle jerk in madness, created for no other good reason as to
> provide jobs for a nonfunctional intellectual elite.
>
> Is this what our mighty physics has degenerated into ?
> Is physics waving the white flag of surrender ?
Yes. It has gone down the reductionist path to
the very limit, which string theory demonstrates.
And at the end, the smallest, the most fundamental
they found only emptiness. Meaningless constructs
that 'resonates' with only them, and no one else.
If the effect of an idea is the measure of it's success
then string theory has failed. And with it the entire
notion that reducing to parts will answer our most
basic questions about existence and meaning.
They are realizing very quickly that their direction
was wrong, that expanding to the whole is where
these Grand Answers are found. In the study of
complex....systems. Not in the reduction to the
smallest parts. Their search for the simplest component
has only led to confusion, endless complications, the
opposite of elegance and truth.
But searching for, and understanding, the complex whole
is the path to the simple and elegant ideas
we all know are out there.
They are realizing classical physics is literally backwards.
They are realizing the chaos and complexity sciences
are the future and the Enlightenment. And that they
represent the past and the Dark Ages.
It's not enough to say they've reached their last brick
wall. But we should also look to find the correct path.
Here it is.
http://necsi.org/publications/dcs/index.html
s
Eric Gisse
dcrespin wrote:
> I agree with your analysis so much that I wish I had written your
> message.
>
Since when was stupidity something to be desired?
[...]
Androcles
"dcrespin" <dcre...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1162251373.3...@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
|I agree with your analysis so much that I wish I had written your
| message.
|
| Recently I started a thread on this group, a most critical one about
| currently held beliefs in Physics, but relying mostly on technical
| arguments. See
| http://crespinnnb.com/RvsQHomeEng.html
| You may want to download RvsQ.exe from this URL, run it and read the
| Manifesto and the FAQ bundled there.
| Cordially,
| Daniel
No thanks, Dr. Crippen. Downloading executables went out when
virii came in. If you have something to say, put it on a page.
Ilja Schmelzer
"Eric Gisse" <jow...@gmail.com> schrieb
> GatherNoMoss wrote:
> > Is this what our mighty physics has degenerated into ?
> > Is physics waving the white flag of surrender ?
> > An admission that problems are simply beyond human capacity ?
> >
> > Physics departments ARE indeed closing in many universities.
> > Students see no future in it.
> > And those that are left are descending into a sad lonely dialogue in a
> > language which is their own.
> > Unuseable to humanity, unrecognizable to reality....
>
> Oh, physics is useless?
No, only string theory is useless. And currently in theoretical
physics string theory is the only game in town.
Ilja
Eric Gisse
String theory isn't what is being specifically talked about. It might
have motivated the argument, but what is being talked about is physics
in the abstract.
>
> Ilja
hanson
<q686...@mailstore.fernuni-hagen.de> who wrote in
message news:ei70b9$7j4$1...@tamarack.fernuni-hagen.de...
>
[GatherNoMoss wrote]
>> > Is this what our mighty physics has degenerated into ?
>> > Is physics waving the white flag of surrender ?
>> > An admission that problems are simply beyond human capacity ?
>> > Physics departments ARE indeed closing in many universities.
>> > Students see no future in it.
>> > And those that are left are descending into a sad lonely dialogue in a
>> > language which is their own.
>> > Unuseable to humanity, unrecognizable to reality....
>>
> "Eric Gisse" <jow...@gmail.com> schrieb
>> Oh, physics is useless?
>
[Ilja]
> No, only string theory is useless. And currently in theoretical
> physics string theory is the only game in town.
>
Eric, a 22 year old Phys. B.Sc, student has a direct interest in
this issue and he is justifiably concerned. True, there have been for
years discussion about the future of the physics job market in these
NGs. True that a large %age of phys. graduates can not finds
employment in the field of physics. True that *.edu is readjusting.
But Eric is too worried when asking whether "physics is useless?".
Physics is the spear point of engineering and electronics. So
physics like math will always be essential. However today we
live in an age where applications of physics and math do trump
the field, from engineering to electronics to computer to biology.
These are all very exiting and fulfilling ($$$) fields and as romantic
as pure physics that is a bland measuring job of how many times a
unit measure will fit into something that has never been measured
before, or even more prosaic to verify/repeat what others have done
and requires 99% of traditional engineering to do the experiment to
begin with. How exiting is that?.... ahahahaha....
It is the carefully kept quiet little dirty secret that physics has always
been and always will be totally dependent on the technology, the
engineering in the state of the art of in metrology and material
sciences (chemistry). Equally bad or worse for physics is the power
of its hanger-on lure/lore. Every now & then abortions like the SR/GR
steam roller of theoretical physics will flatten/kill all/most other roads
of inquiry for the development in the advancement of conceptual
physics... which is what Ilja is pointing at.
String theory, I feel, is a victim of heuristic fads and trends and is
too far advanced for current affairs in the state of the art in metrology
AND because of the still lingering REL fixations that still suppress
acceptance of new mentation constructs in phsysics.
A paradigm shift in the thinking of physical concept appears to
be in the offing, undefined yet, but it may well reach back into
the time of yore where it got derailed when REL was starting to get
oversold by Zionist interests & was being shoved down everyones
throat especially from 1945 on to about 1990. The future thread
that may be taken up again may lay in the period when one asked
ca. 1900 ff....: Is there yet *another *subatomic world to be explored
that is as **vast** as the step is from our day to day experience in
the cgs/MKS domain, down some N_A (6E23) units, into the atomic
realm.... in a second such N_A step, a step for which Max Planck
gave the direction for with his Planck domain units... by/with which
one most directly can see that there is such a possibility open by
looking at the notion that it takes the gargantuan amount of 1 mol
(N_A (6E23)) of Planck domain length unit (l_pl) to arrived at
the radius of the Hydrogen atom: r_H / l_pl = (N_A*pi*sqrt3).
There are vast voids in our knowledge in the realm between 1E-12
meters and 1E-35 meters.... ahahahaha... Lots of work and grand
surprises are laying in that 1 mole of those next still unexplored 23
orders of magnitude.
So, once the crucial idea for experimentally probing into that 2nd
N_A step-down realm into/towards Planck's domain has been
found **string theory variants will be the only game in town**....
That magic moment will be no less revolutionary than the pursuit
was of proving that ordinary matter is indeed made up of atoms,
a fact that was only officially accepted and celebrated some 80
years ago when Perrin got his Nobel in 1929 for work in/on this
subject... ahahahaha... ahahahanson.
Paul F. Dietz
> Every now & then abortions like the SR/GR
> steam roller of theoretical physics will flatten/kill all/most other roads
> of inquiry for the development in the advancement of conceptual
> physics... which is what Ilja is pointing at.
Those dastardly relativists ... destroying the market for competing
theories by leaving no contradictory experimental results(*). The fiends!
Paul
(*) Ignoring unreproducible results cherry-picked by kooks.
Bob Dunkle
> So, once the crucial idea for experimentally probing into that 2nd
> N_A step-down realm into/towards Planck's domain has been
> found **string theory variants will be the only game in town**....
It's happening now. Steorn (www.steorn.net) has stumbled on to a way to
access the Beta Atmosphere
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Beta-atmosphere_group/) using permanent
magnets.
They are about 3 months away from having the first products, motors
running without discernible input. So far, they have tested motors from
thumbnail size up to 550bhp.
I work for a European company which is making some of the first devices -
batteries for cellphones, and can assure you that Steorn's claims are for
real. A subsidiary of our company is making motorgens large enough to
power a truck.
Since I want to keep my job, I can't tell you who I am, but you will know
all about it before the end of January 2007. You will probably know about
it before then since nobody will keep quiet about this for that much
longer.
hanson
news:c6851eea38abd2a9...@anon.mixmaster.mixmin.net...
> On Tue, 31 Oct 2006 14:50:03 +0000, hanson wrote:
>> So, once the crucial idea for experimentally probing into that 2nd
>> N_A step-down realm into/towards Planck's domain has been
>> found **string theory variants will be the only game in town**....
>
> It's happening now. Steorn (www.steorn.net) has stumbled on to a way to
> access the Beta Atmosphere
> (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Beta-atmosphere_group/) using permanent
> magnets.
>
Yup, that assertions of yours: " The technology has a coefficient of
performance greater than 100%." is so heart warming. Our Patent
evaluation division gets monthly two to three such "over unit" inventions.
I tell ya, Dunkel Bruder, we have so much of that free energy now,
that we give to the prisoners in Gitmo to transform their Atmo from
Gamma to Alpha overriding your Beta. Try with "tj". See below.
>
[Bob]
> They are about 3 months away from having the first products, motors
> running without discernible input. So far, they have tested motors from
> thumbnail size up to 550bhp.
>
> I work for a European company which is making some of the first devices -
> batteries for cellphones, and can assure you that Steorn's claims are for
> real. A subsidiary of our company is making motorgens large enough to
> power a truck.
>
> Since I want to keep my job, I can't tell you who I am, but you will know
> all about it before the end of January 2007. You will probably know about
> it before then since nobody will keep quiet about this for that much
> longer.
>
Your discernable assurances and your uncertain prospect for
your job will undoubtedly be noted and processed by Professor
Dr. Sir Captn' TJ Frazir the multi Billionaire with his "sterio" Gamma
ray machine on his tug boat, since he is feverishly looking for
such artists like your self, with your con and cunning... the more
the better. Check here in sci.physics for "tj Frazir" if he doesn't
get a hold of you right away... ahahahaha... ahahahahanson
jow...@gmail.com
hanson wrote:
[...]
>
> It is the carefully kept quiet little dirty secret that physics has always
> been and always will be totally dependent on the technology, the
> engineering in the state of the art of in metrology and material
> sciences (chemistry). Equally bad or worse for physics is the power
> of its hanger-on lure/lore. Every now & then abortions like the SR/GR
> steam roller of theoretical physics will flatten/kill all/most other roads
> of inquiry for the development in the advancement of conceptual
> physics... which is what Ilja is pointing at.
[...]
It is amazing to see people hold such strong opinions about topics of
which they have no understanding.
hanson
news:1162340349....@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...
> hanson wrote:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.space.policy/msg/ca5b73e24809268e
> [...]
>> It is the carefully kept quiet little dirty secret that physics has
>> always been and always will be totally dependent on the
>> technology, the engineering in the state of the art of in
>> metrology and material sciences (chemistry).
>> Equally bad or worse for physics is the power of its hanger-on
>> lure/lore. Every now & then abortions like the SR/GR
>> steam roller of theoretical physics will flatten/kill all/most other
>> roads of inquiry for the development in the advancement
>> of conceptual physics... which is what Ilja is pointing at.
> [...]
>
> It is amazing to see people hold such strong opinions
> about topics of which they have no understanding.
>
Very good, Eric. Keep that very sentence always in your mind
and heed it. Almost any student of your age is infected with
that malady. It may take years, decade to heal. And from
many of the posters here one can see that it is a chronic
condition: "Once an Einstein Dingleberry -- Always an E.D"
Good observation Eric, and thanks for the laughs....
ahahaha... ahahahanson
Paul F. Dietz
> ahahaha... ahahahanson
Do you drool when you do that?
Paul
hanson
news:n6qdnQW0GZffpNTY...@dls.net...
> hanson wrote:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.space.policy/msg/0313b1b4570fd909
>> ahahaha... ahahahanson
>
[Paul]
> Do you drool when you do that?
> Paul
>
... ahahaha... wow & I always thought that you were NOT one of those
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.chem/msg/f232cf15901ce7ba
ahahaha.... AHAHAHA.... ahahanson
Paul F. Dietz
> ... ahahaha... wow & I always thought that you were NOT one of those
> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.chem/msg/f232cf15901ce7ba
> ahahaha.... AHAHAHA.... ahahanson
Incredibly, you appear to believe anyone would actually care
what you thought.
Paul
Sorcerer
Incredibly, you appear to believe anyone would actually give a flying fuck
what you think!
Hahahanson can piss higher than you and so can I.
Androcles
Paul F. Dietz
> Incredibly, you appear to believe anyone would actually give a flying fuck
> what you think!
> Hahahanson can piss higher than you and so can I.
> Androcles
Jeez, who raped your mother, anony-boy?
Paul
Sorcerer
Credibly, you appear to believe anyone would actually give a flying fuck
what you think!
hanson
Predictably "Paul F. Dietz" <di...@dls.net> cranked himself in
news:SJCdnRdvIsg3DNTY...@dls.net...
news:n6qdnQW0GZffpNTY...@dls.net...
>
[hanson]
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.space.policy/msg/0313b1b4570fd909
>> ahahaha... ahahahanson
>
[Paul]
> Do you drool when you do that?
> Paul
>
[hanson]
>> ahahaha.... AHAHAHA.... ahahanson
>
[Paul]
> Incredibly, you appear to believe anyone would actually care
> what you thought.
> Paul
>
AHAHAHA... OBVIOUSLY , Paul, YOU apparently did & do so...
ahahahahaha.. then to boot, you cranked yourself when you
realized that you were a "real stupid fool & uptight mooch" [1]
ahahahaha.... You used to be engaging and easy going, Paul.
What happened?... Bad biz, job or fam problems, Geriatric?
... With lots of (ahahaha... AHAHAHA)n you'll overcome that.
Oh, Paul, BTW, perhaps you should also take the concurrent
posts wherein Androlces ever so profoundly administers to you
as a sign that you are indeed in need of inner re-adjustments.
Heed Androcles' valuable advice. Give praise & thanks to Andro!
Take care, Paul, and thanks for the laughs. No hard feelings.
ahahaha... ahahahanson