Gees Louise! GOOGLE/NOVA/NASA = MI6/NSA~CIA
Brad Guth
interest going on here. TECH BRIEFTS Vol 29 No.11, pg.10 "UpFront". If
this isn't seriously big-time and extremely brown-nosed sucking and
blowing, then obviously I don't know what is.
NYTr] Google Under Scrutiny for Alleged Tax Dodge
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.activism.progressive/browse_frm/thread/cdb9611125dce889/1bf0f0d414550c66?lnk=st&q=%22google+and+nasa%22&rnum=2#1bf0f0d414550c66
That's rather odd; for such a perfectly terrific topic and yet there's
not a peep out of anyone sharing a damn thing about this wag-the-dog
and extremely brown-nosed tax avoidance situation.
Is GOOGLE a wee bit if not entirely Jewish?
BTW folks; just as soon as I've managed to get myself back into this
GOOGLE/NOVA/NASA usenet connection is when my poor old PC heads
directly for the nearest space-toilet, meaning that the fresh loads of
their brown-nosed MI6/NSA~CIA usenet crapolla and spermware kicks into
high gear, just so as to disrupt my efforts as much as possible. This
is no freaking lie folks, as please do stop by for an impressive show,
as it only goes to further prove that I'm sufficiently right about a
bit more than my fair share of whatever's been going down the
perpetrated cold-war tubes for decades. Right about now is when my data
throughput of whatever's getting to/from this usenet that summarily
sucks and blows gets down to hardly even functioning, as well as my
mouse has been going postal. Gee whiz kind folks, I can't but wonder
what their pathetic wag-the-dog of another infomercials, spin and
mainstream hype problem is with sharing the truth this time around.
Jesus Christ almighty upon another stick. Just when I'd thought the
intellectual cesspool of their incest cloning more of those brown-nosed
spooks couldn't possibly get any worse off, it's become another case of
those perpetrated cold-war rusemasters tossing tonnes of gasoline on
the fire.
Brad Guth
~
Kurt Vonnegut would have to agree; WAR is WAR, thus "in war there are
no rules" - In fact, war has been the very reason of having to deal
with the likes of others that haven't been playing by whatever rules,
such as GW Bush.
Life upon Venus, a township w/Bridge & ET/UFO Park-n-Ride Tarmac:
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-town.htm
The Russian/China LSE-CM/ISS (Lunar Space Elevator)
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/lunar-space-elevator.htm
Venus ETs, plus the updated sub-topics; Brad Guth / GASA-IEIS
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-topics.htm
Brad Guth
public and institutional resource of what has been supposedly sharing
truths and nothing but these truths with anyone that's actually smart
enough to accomplish their own GOOGLE 'search for' whatever, as for
this highly self-promoting infomercial data bank and vast archive of
such news and other information that's supposedly unbiased should
remain forever as another trusted soul regardless of whomever's pulling
their strings.
Of course, this would be exactly like having The New York Times and The
Washington Post as owned and operated by our very own Skull and Bones
partners in crimes against humanity, whereas these days that ownership
would be like having our resident warlord(GW Bush) and chief warlord
puppeteer Dick Cheney encharge of whatever gets promoted to the head of
the line.
By way of my having created this topic and of what the following link
already had to say, I mean to accomplish a little more awareness than
to merely suggest that if there were ever some notion that our NASA(aka
MI6/NSA~CIA) wanted to convey in a better light than whatever the other
side had to say, and if per chance at any time this GOOGLE host as
being one and the same as NASA(aka MI6/NSA~CIA) might suggest some
influence, as then we simply need to ask ourselves; what could possibly
go wrong?
NYTr] Google Under Scrutiny for Alleged Tax Dodge
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.activism.progressive/browse_frm/thread/cdb9611125dce889/1bf0f0d414550c66?lnk=st&q=%22google+and+nasa%22&rnum=2#1bf0f0d414550c66
Is this MOS brown-nosed incest running us amuck or, is this actually a
good thing?
If Hitler were alive and kicking souls today, would that SOB have it
any other way?
Tax avoidance is certainly one thing that's long been skewed past the
offshore point of no return but, brown-nosing directly with the devil
himself is quite another issue. Thus I'm wondering how many other
supposedly privet and for-profit corporations and/or individuals there
actually are under the cloak and dagger shield of having been using
Federal lands for their tax avoidance benefits.
NPR/PBS are nearly in the same boat that's sinking from all the
friendly-fire as are those churches having opposed the Iraq war, in
that their tax exempt status are being denied, while those having been
openly supportive and/or knowingly ignoring the truth are receiving
most all of the federal grants and other status promoting benefits. Gee
whiz folks; what's wrong with that picture?
Of course this could certainly work the other way, as to only benefit
our environment and of the sequestered humanity of this Earth. After
all folks, when was the last time our government or for that matter the
Third Reich ever lied?
Brad Guth
dumbfounded noses.
NYTr] Google Under Scrutiny for Alleged Tax Dodge
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.activism.progressive/browse_frm/thread/cdb9611125dce889/1bf0f0d414550c66?lnk=st&q=%22google+and+nasa%22&rnum=2#1bf0f0d414550c66
What's clearly within this potential conflict of interest is the
obvious close DNA match that's required of this butt to butt
association of GOOGLE/NOVA with such a dirty rotten MI6/NSA~CIA house
that has absolutely nothing to lose except a continually perpetrated
cold-war stack of cards that's in need everthing going its favor for
its survival, or else.
Too bad that our NASA has became the untimat butt of their joke upon
humanity, as well as their status quo mode of delivering such smoke and
mirror operations, thereby having to become the ultimate wag-the-dog
rusemaster of pulling off their grand ruse/sting of the century. The
only problem being is that a few other nations have obtained the
to/from capability of achieving their one and only LSE-CM/ISS platform,
from which they'll rule upon most everything else that's transpiring
between Earth and our moon.
Of course, if certain folks in control were being the least bit honest,
this could certainly work for our survival, as to only benefitting our
environment and of improving the quality of life on behalf of the
sequestered humanity of this entire Earth, all 0.1% of what represents
the upper most important portion of humanity that is. After all folks,
when was the last time our government or any other government, or for
that matter the Third Reich, ever lied to us?
Brad Guth
Brad Guth
infrastructure as MI6/NSA-CIA is exactly like giving worse than the
likes of Hitler another shot at global domination, and of especially
insuring global energy domination remains in the authority of the few
most powerful nations is priority No.1
Our moon simply isn't what our NASA Koran says it is, and that's just
plain old hard-science and physics-101. If anyone could have proven the
likes of myself and others wrong it would have been our pagan NASA or
of their MI6/NSA~CIA puppeteers, by way of their simply having
established (robotically or via manned landing) one simplistic and
extremely light weight interactive science probe as functioning from
the lunar surface, or even hell bells folks, by having deployed a
simple and energy efficient Xenon flash strobe of 2 degrees focus
that's transponder triggered would have been way too simple and simply
totally convincing, as well as extremely hard-science valuable as
related to answering so many questions pertaining to the lunar
atmosphere that has an absolutely terrific amount of sodium and a most
likely good percentage of Radon to work with.
The moon simply isn't so far away that amateurs and of privet scientist
couldn't have managed whatever the needs of the to/from microwave
signals and/or processed whatever packets of data without any further
involvements of big brother, especially if we're talking about the
returning packet info arriving by way of using visible photons. As of
the last couple of decades, any number of extremely effective and
energy efficient science instruments could be managed quite nicely from
a single kg worth of most any probe, as having been soft-landed or
otherwise deployed upon our moon. A 10 kg probe would have been so much
icing on the hard-science cake that by now we'd have known more about
our once upon a time icy proto-moon than about Earth, and subsequently
we'd have then learned a whole lot more about Earth.
Supposedly we've had multiple large and extremely powerful probes
robotically and via manned EVAs established upon the lunar surface, yet
there's still no believable images, meaning there's never once been an
image including the albedo dark lunar horizon terrain along with a
look-see at Venus or of any other planet or vibrant star like Sirius as
having any associated date and time stamp, or as having any other form
of hard-science basis. Apparently there's next to nothing in moon-dust
to deal with and, of what little dust there is seems to have a rather
unusually high degree of surface-tension, it's also extremely
retroreflective and offers absolutely terrific clumping in a very
terrestrial way. There's also no significant levels of radiation and
therefore all of the laws of physics as to secondary/recoil photons are
entirely bogus. It's not even all that hot by day, and there's
apparently some invisible WMD like atmospheric shield that's defending
the surface from receiving additional physical influx, therefore we
have few if any cosmic meteorites to pick from, and it's otherwise
perfectly safe to be walking about for days on end. The Kodak laws of
photon physics of which base the entire logic and function of film in
space, as well as the unfiltered recording of all that raw energy are
also apparently bogus because, nothing that should have applied was the
case. In fact, it seems the raw solar influx was offering exactly the
same worth of color spectrum as though being within a purely Xenon lamp
illuminated zone.
At least everything that has been on the table for the past 6 years of
my involvement and of a decade before then as having been in any way
associated with the potential of some other significant life coexisting
just fine and dandy upon Venus hasn't a scrap of disinformation, it
doesn't even involve evidence exclusions, nor have I had to utilize any
of the usual "high standards and accountability" aspects of our
mainstream "so what's the difference" policy of skewed-science or even
soft-science by way of having to employ any of those conditional laws
of physics that supposedly had folks walking essentially moonsuit butt
naked upon our moon, as having arrived in a untested and thus unproven
fly-by-rocket lander that still can't even be R&D prototype scaled in
order to demonstrate squat worth of it's capabilities here upon Earth.
Good Christ almighty folks, it's the incest likes of a systematic and a
lie by lie basis of snookering humanity for all it's worth, and then
some. Especially when there's the likes of Art Deco, Dr. Flonkenstein
and Bookman (aka MI6/NSA~CIA spooks) along with so many other
intellectually incest cloned and thus sanctimonious freaks that have
been snookering all of humanity while having summarily lied to Walter
Cronkite, and that's just as bad off as having snookered and thus lied
to God (oops; sorry folks, my mistake again because, it seems that
their Skull and Bones cult simply doesn't believe any more so in God
than of ETs). I wish that I might offer that it can't possibly get any
worse off, but then I'd be lying if I even tried to suggest that such a
mainstream of crapolla that's hitting the fan without a gram of remorse
can't get any worse.
Brad Guth
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I thought that I'd share in the latest info that a few of our warm and
fuzzy MI6/NSA~CIA spooks are now into using popular celebrity names as
another soild measure of their usenet ruse, such as using "Bill Snyder"
as one their phony baloney cloaks in order to carry out their
brown-nosed sucking and blowing plan of action as to their new and
improved levels of incest cloned borgism, of delivering MOS wag-the-dog
and simply as per continuing MOS LLPOF worth of their ongoing
disinformation infomercials.
Why the heck do you suppose that their Third Reich(Skull and Bones)
MI6/NSA~CIA E-Men in BLACK of this warm and fuzzy GOOGLE/NOVA/NASA
mainstream status quo serviced and moderated to death usenet that
summarily sucks and blows big-time is still (no freaking lie folks)
hard at their brown-nosed agenda of each and every day after day
accomplishing their collective workmanship of specifically targeting
and thus delivering their very best malware/spermware into my PC?
Unlike The New York Times and of The Washington Post, and of all the
big cannons of NBC, CBS, ABC, FOX and so many other news and publishing
members of our society that often have to tow the line or else, I kid
you not. Even our PBS and NPR have their limits if they don't want
their federal funding further cut and of losing their tax-exempt status
like so many churches have to fear for their honest efforts to inform
others of the truth and nothing but the truth. In other words, it
perfectly OK for government to be telling churches what they can or
can't communicate to others, just as it's perfectly OK for a church to
be utilizing it's resources for being fully supportive of the
administration but, it's apparently not a good situation as to suggest
upon anything that's outside the political agenda box, and this is
coming directly from our very own pagan born again loser of a resident
warlord(GW Bush).
~
Kurt Vonnegut would have to agree far beyond; WAR is WAR, thus "in war
there are no rules" - In fact, war has been the very reason of honest
folks having to deal with the likes of others that haven't been playing
by whatever the supposed rules, such as our resident warlord(GW Bush).
Art Deco
Did you type this mess while holding your breath, Brad? It sure looks
like it.
--
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"The original human being was a female hermaphrodite with
both male and female genitalia."
"Human beings CAN NOT live in a solar system without a sun
with a ferrite core and a planet without a solid iron core."
-- Alexa Cameron, Kook of the Year 2004
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-- Darla aka Dr. Why aka Dr. Yubiwan aka ...
Jonathan Silverlight
<art_...@127.0.0.1> writes
>Brad Guth <ieisbr...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>Did you type this mess while holding your breath, Brad? It sure looks
>like it.
>
Art Deco
wrote:
Oh, poor baby, please whine some more.
Brad Guth
It's called roboposting, and it's also required of all MI6/NSA~CIA
spooks to repost 100% of everything. Thus the automatic reply to your
contribution by roboposting Art Deco is a direct example of the sorts
of their ongoing wag-the-dog policy of "so what's the difference", as
in topic/author stalking and bashing until them NASA/Apollo cows come
home.
Topic/author jamming is simply another usenet tactic that's keeping the
non-Jewish science and news media sufficiently snookered.
Brad Guth
Art Deco
Brad Guth
Art Deco
Brad Guth
Is that because your phony baloney Apollo missions had NO such reaction
wheels, at least of nothing significant for physically controlling
their unproven fly-by-rocket adventures that traveled around and
supposedly down upon the most secondary/recoil TBI reactive deck in
town?
OOPS, sorry about that, using the term "reactive" in two entirely
different meanings.
Brad Guth
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I might as well keep sharing in the latest info that a few of our warm
and fuzzy MI6/NSA~CIA spooks are now into their using popular celebrity
names as yet another soild measure of their usenet ruse, such as using
"Bill Snyder" as one their phony baloney cloaks in order to carry out
more of their brown-nosed sucking and blowing plan of action as to
their new and improved levels of incest cloned borgism, of delivering
MOS wag-the-dog and simply as per continuing MOS LLPOF worth of their
ongoing disinformation infomercials.
Why the heck do you suppose that their Third Reich(Skull and Bones)
MI6/NSA~CIA E-Men in BLACK of this warm and fuzzy GOOGLE/NOVA/NASA
mainstream status quo, as having serviced and moderated to death upon
this usenet that summarily sucks and blows big-time is still (no
freaking lie folks) hard at their brown-nosed agenda of each and every
day after day accomplishing their collective workmanship of
specifically targeting and thus delivering their very best
malware/spermware (MI6/NSA~CIA fuckware) into my PC?
Unlike The New York Times and of The Washington Post, and of all the
big cannons of NBC, CBS, ABC, FOX and so many other news and publishing
members of our society that often have to tow the line or else, at
least I kid you not. Even our PBS and NPR have their limits if they
don't want their federal funding further cut and/or losing their
tax-exempt status like so many churches have to fear for their honest
efforts to inform us of the truth and nothing but the truth. In other
words, it's perfectly OK for government to be telling churches what
they can or can't communicate to others, just as it's perfectly OK for
a church to be utilizing it's resources and talents for being fully
supportive of the administration but, it's apparently not a good
situation as to suggest upon anything that's outside the political
agenda box, as this is exactly what has been coming directly from our
very own pagan born again loser of a resident warlord(GW Bush).
Art Deco
>Interesting, in that you'd consider 'reaction wheels' as "meltdown".
Suffering from reading comprehension problems, guth? The term
"meltdown" refers to your posts in general, not to any one of your
technobabble terms specifically.
>
>Is that because your phony baloney Apollo missions
Liar.
>had NO such reaction
>wheels,
WTH are "reaction wheels", guth?
>at least of nothing significant for physically controlling
>their unproven fly-by-rocket adventures
Another example of how arguing with you is pointless, guth.
>that traveled around and
>supposedly down upon the most secondary/recoil TBI reactive deck in
>town?
Meaningless technobabble.
>
>OOPS, sorry about that, using the term "reactive" in two entirely
>different meanings.
Please continue kookdancing, guth.
I almost forgot -- have you looked at your shiny new Kook of the Month
trophy yet, Brad?
<http://www.insurgent.org/~kook-faq/search.php?query=guth>
Fred J. McCall
:Brad Guth <ieisbr...@yahoo.com> wrote:
:>
:>had NO such reaction
:>wheels,
:
:WTH are "reaction wheels", guth?
Uh, Art? 'Reaction wheels' are gyroscopes that are used to control
vehicle pointing without expending propellant. By some combination of
braking and accelerating the reaction wheels, one translates their
change in rotational inertia into a rotational effect on the vehicle.
Yes, there are potentially limits on just what you can do with them,
since the wheels can become 'saturated' (you can't speed them up any
more in the direction you need to in order to change state of the
vehicle), at which point you use thrusters to affect the vehicle and
offset bringing the spin of the reaction wheels back to some nice
centerline value. This is known as 'desaturating' the reaction
wheels.
I don't normally read Brad's guthiness, but you should really know
what you're talking about if you want to attack people over it.
--
"The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable
man persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore,
all progress depends on the unreasonable man."
--George Bernard Shaw
Brad Guth
Poor Art has been falling apart at the seams while you've been off
fornacating in the oval office instead of accomplishing your job. Same
on you.
Save the lord almighty; you've come to Art's salvation. Although, Art
is not going to take kindly to being informed that he doesn't already
know all there is to know. Though as spooks tend to go, he's better
than most of the brown-nosed minion troops as not actually contributing
squat of anything that's on-topic.
>Fred J. McCall;
>Uh, Art? 'Reaction wheels' are gyroscopes that are used to control
>vehicle pointing without expending propellant. By some combination of
>braking and accelerating the reaction wheels, one translates their
>change in rotational inertia into a rotational effect on the vehicle.
>Yes, there are potentially limits on just what you can do with them,
>since the wheels can become 'saturated' (you can't speed them up any
>more in the direction you need to in order to change state of the
>vehicle), at which point you use thrusters to affect the vehicle and
>offset bringing the spin of the reaction wheels back to some nice
>centerline value. This is known as 'desaturating' the reaction
>wheels.
Of course newer and improved variable speed reaction-wheels or VIPACS
are greatly extending the range and scope of vehicle pointing, thus
saving further upon rocket fuel while doing a whole lot more refined
job of the task at hand, however at the demise of consuming other forms
of stored energy. In many ways the VIPACS method will greatly
outperform other than the most powerful of Rn-->ion thrusters.
>I don't normally read Brad's guthiness, but you should really know
>what you're talking about if you want to attack people over it.
Finally, an actual human that can share and share alike, possibly even
teach us village idiots a thing or two without going Art Deco postal.
Brad Guth
Art Deco
>Art Deco <art_...@127.0.0.1> wrote:
>
>:Brad Guth <ieisbr...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>:>
>:>had NO such reaction
>:>wheels,
>:
>:WTH are "reaction wheels", guth?
>
>Uh, Art? 'Reaction wheels' are gyroscopes that are used to control
>vehicle pointing without expending propellant. By some combination of
>braking and accelerating the reaction wheels, one translates their
>change in rotational inertia into a rotational effect on the vehicle.
>Yes, there are potentially limits on just what you can do with them,
>since the wheels can become 'saturated' (you can't speed them up any
>more in the direction you need to in order to change state of the
>vehicle), at which point you use thrusters to affect the vehicle and
>offset bringing the spin of the reaction wheels back to some nice
>centerline value. This is known as 'desaturating' the reaction
>wheels.
Thanks, I didn't know this.
>
>I don't normally read Brad's guthiness, but you should really know
>what you're talking about if you want to attack people over it.
I've never pretended to be an expert on spacecraft hardware (not my
field), I just assumed that if Brad was yapping about it, it had to be
BS.
Art Deco
>Fred, where the sam hell have you been?
>
>Poor Art has been falling apart at the seams while you've been off
>fornacating in the oval office instead of accomplishing your job. Same
>on you.
>
>Save the lord almighty; you've come to Art's salvation. Although, Art
>is not going to take kindly to being informed that he doesn't already
>know all there is to know. Though as spooks tend to go, he's better
>than most of the brown-nosed minion troops as not actually contributing
>squat of anything that's on-topic.
You're a moon hoaxer, Brad, and a particularly dense one that refuses
to consider reality instead of your conspiracy delusions.
>
>>Fred J. McCall;
>>Uh, Art? 'Reaction wheels' are gyroscopes that are used to control
>>vehicle pointing without expending propellant. By some combination of
>>braking and accelerating the reaction wheels, one translates their
>>change in rotational inertia into a rotational effect on the vehicle.
>>Yes, there are potentially limits on just what you can do with them,
>>since the wheels can become 'saturated' (you can't speed them up any
>>more in the direction you need to in order to change state of the
>>vehicle), at which point you use thrusters to affect the vehicle and
>>offset bringing the spin of the reaction wheels back to some nice
>>centerline value. This is known as 'desaturating' the reaction
>>wheels.
>Of course newer and improved variable speed reaction-wheels or VIPACS
>are greatly extending the range and scope of vehicle pointing, thus
>saving further upon rocket fuel while doing a whole lot more refined
>job of the task at hand, however at the demise of consuming other forms
>of stored energy. In many ways the VIPACS method will greatly
>outperform other than the most powerful of Rn-->ion thrusters.
>
>>I don't normally read Brad's guthiness, but you should really know
>>what you're talking about if you want to attack people over it.
>Finally, an actual human that can share and share alike, possibly even
>teach us village idiots a thing or two without going Art Deco postal.
Any evidence for this delusion, Brad?
>
>Brad Guth
Fred J. McCall
:I've never pretended to be an expert on spacecraft hardware (not my
:field), I just assumed that if Brad was yapping about it, it had to be
:BS.
Probably a good general rule.
--
"Some people get lost in thought because it's such unfamiliar
territory."
--G. Behn
Brad Guth
>You're a moon hoaxer, Brad, and a particularly dense one that
>refuses to consider reality instead of your conspiracy delusions.
usage of reaction wheels on behalf of those supposedly safe and sane
fly-by-rocket landers that's of interest. As I've previously pointed
out that many folks have been put to their death because of far less
lack of evidence proving their innocence.
Accomplishing a GOOGLE usenet group search for whatever's LANDER IPACS
or of anything NASA IPACS, CEV IPACS or even Apollo Spacecraft Reaction
Wheels or simply Reaction Flywheels and you'll get next to zilch
because lo and behold, there's apparently absolutely nothing there to
behold of whatever these pathetic rusemasters simply do NOT wish to
publicly talk about. The GOOGLE WEB search of 'NASA Flywheel' or of
'Reaction Wheels' does however get us into some limited information
that's unfortunately somewhat need-to-know and/or a bit
taboo/nondisclosure, especially if you'd care to explore what if
anything our NASA/robotic lunar landers and of their Apollo
fly-by-rocket landers of the mid to late 60's had to work with.
Apparently our taboo/nondisclosure computer modulated rocket engines of
the mid/late 60s that supposedly managed all of those AI/robotic and
subsequent manned Apollo landings without those spacecraft having
involved any stinking reaction wheels (of what today are called IPACS
units), whereas specific info upon such controlled thrusters offer us
yet another blank wall or perhaps involving a Maxwell Smart 'dome of
silence'. It's not that under ideal passive conditions that should have
existed once established within a stable orbit shouldn't be so much in
demand of that situation requiring attitude control via
reaction-wheels, that is as long as there's not so much as a
ventilation blower operating or any other rotating or physical energy
transfering bit of machinery involved, which includes not even
astronauts moving about nor so much as turning around in order to
accomplish anything within their craft because, no matters what actions
are involved, for every interior/exterior physical action there's still
is a matching reaction. If there's a sufficient array of modulated and
or fully analog adjustable thrusters available, each of which pointed
in nearly the exact required direction could manage the task as long as
sufficient fuel were available, as to replace the IPACS/reaction-wheel
demands, especially if those fully adjustable/modulated thrusters were
as having been sufficiently computer managed in order to counteract
whatever was twisting or rolling their spacecraft.
>Fred J. McCall; 'Reaction wheels' are gyroscopes that are used to control
>vehicle pointing without expending propellant. By some combination of
>braking and accelerating the reaction wheels, one translates their
>change in rotational inertia into a rotational effect on the vehicle.
>Yes, there are potentially limits on just what you can do with them,
>since the wheels can become 'saturated' (you can't speed them up any
>more in the direction you need to in order to change state of the
>vehicle), at which point you use thrusters to affect the vehicle and
>offset bringing the spin of the reaction wheels back to some nice
>centerline value. This is known as 'desaturating' the reaction
>wheels.
Of course newer and much improved variable speed reaction-wheels or
VIPACS have been greatly extending the range and scope of vehicle
pointing, thus saving further upon rocket fuel while doing a whole lot
more refined job of the task at hand, however at the demise of their
having to consume other forms of stored energy. In many ways the VIPACS
method should greatly outperform other than the most powerful of
Rn-->ion thrusters, and of their capabily short response timing of
delivering peak energy can even outperform conventional thrusters, as
it all depends on the size and scope of what these VIPACS can
accommodate without their coming unglued.
Perhaps our fly-by-rocket expertise and having way more than a
sufficient supply of rocket fuel is why spacecraft reaction-wheels are
simply not going to be required onboard the CEVs that'll otherwise have
those fully computer modulated thrusters at their disposal, as another
advantave lacking in them good old warm and fuzzy (damn near WW-III)
perpetrated cold-war days of our pretending to walk upon the moon.
For your continuing entertainment and education, in spite of all the
taboo/nondisclosure that's being orchestrated as flak until death do we
part, here's a few interesting web links that'll share a wee bit of
what a typical IPACS is good for, if not somewhat essential for safely
accomplishing the likes of most any fly-by-rocket robotic or especially
manned lunar landings. Even the LUNAR-A impact probes have to utilize
at least one form of these very same reaction wheels unless their
penetrating probes impacting sideways is survivable.
http://space-power.grc.nasa.gov/ppo/projects/flywheel/
They(NASA) most often keep saying these are intended as replacements
for batteries, which of course is perfectly all well and fine. However,
there's simply no getting around the spacecraft stabilisation aspects
of what a pair or best having a trio of such gyro/flywheel (reaction
wheels) as to what such a IPACS configuration can accomplish in terms
of physical brute leverage force that's essentially on demand.
Energy-in still equals energy-out even if the energy-out is being taken
as a result of a twisting motion that opposes the natural energy forces
of what a given gyro/flywheel that's drafted for whatever a
reaction/momentum wheel has at its disposal.
http://www.grc.nasa.gov/WWW/RT/2004/RP/RPE-jansen.html
Integrated Power and Attitude Control System (IPACS)
http://centaur.sstl.co.uk/LectureSeries/abstracts2003/P_Tsiotras_abs.htm
"Spacecraft Adaptive Attitude And Power Tracking With Variable Speed
Control Moment Gyroscopes"
"VSCMGs have extra degrees of freedom and can be used to achieve
additional objectives, such as energy storage, as well as attitude
control."
"A control law for equalization of the wheel speeds will be proposed to
evenly distribute the kinetic energy among the wheels, thus minimizing
the possibility of wheel speed saturation and the occurrence of
zero-speed singularities."
http://www.utexas.edu/opa/news/03newsreleases/nr_200311/nr_flywheel031106.html
"A flywheel made with the new technology set a speed record, spinning
at 3,000 miles per hour, demonstrating the capability of storing 70
percent more energy than the same-sized flywheel made with current
technology."
""This achievement is the result of our ability to design
state-of-the-art complex objects using carbon fiber composites that
have unprecedented, but predictable, mechanical properties," Richard
Thompson, the research mechanical engineer who led the development
team."
"The record-setting flywheel his team developed included a novel,
bell-shaped composite structure rotating on a metallic shaft in vacuum
that well suits the design needs of NASA's future space missions."
http://www.grc.nasa.gov/WWW/RT1996/5000/5450b.htm
"Both of these systems are sized to store approximately 3 kW-hr of
energy, which is appropriate for large spacecraft."
This amount of energy storage is also representing 10.8 MJ worth of
physical craft stabilisation energy to draw upon per IPACS. However,
these are still relatively new R&D prototypes, none of which existed at
the time of the NASA/Apollo missions, much less having otherwise been
incorporated for space craft role and pitch stabilizing. Even these
composite gyro/flywheels are not exactly all that small nor light
weight once sufficiently packaged and structurally interfaced within
something like a fly-by-rocket lander, and keeping three of these IPACS
units up and running requires a good amount of sustainable electrical
energy input, that is unless there's nothing in the way of external
forces attempting to move these wheels off axis.
http://www.ipacs-benchmark.org/download/marketing/The_IPACS-Project_at_Glance.pdf
IPACS Benchmark Suite, Performance Modeling and Prediction Methods,
Benchmarking Environment
http://www.sptimes.com/News/112999/Worldandnation/Mars_landing_to_test_.shtml
Worldandnation: Mars landing to test NASA's prowess
The spacecraft had a trio of reaction wheels, devices similar to
flywheels ...
NASA's congressional critics are watching, too, making a Polar Lander
success ...
NASA G3 flywheel / Reaction/Momentum Wheels / IPACS
http://machinedesign.texterity.com/machinedesign/20040916/?pg=90
G3 flywheel. This is a 15-in.-diameter flywheel
25 Whr/kg, 85% round trip (energy-in/energy-out) efficiency.
http://space-power.grc.nasa.gov/ppo/projects/flywheel/papers/GRC_IPACS_Demos.pdf
Thus a 3 kwh IPACS is going to become worth 120 kg that's capable of
delivering a peak of 1.08 MJ for 10 seconds or support a demand of 108
KJ for 100 seconds worth of replacement reaction thrust. Therefore
having at least two of these units available would in fact conserve a
considerable amount of propellant as long as the available electrical
energy isn't depleted in the process.
This following old but extremely interesting report is because its
using less than a tenth as many words as I would have employed, as
having been created by amateur "Nathan Jones", whereas it fails like
most all others to cover a good dozen or more so of the critical
technical issues, as his terrific research doesn't even touch upon the
lack of reaction wheels or of what their unfiltered Kodak eye failed to
record about a albedo dark and nasty moon but otherwise recorded just
fine and dandy as per offering us those very terrestrial Xenon lamp
illuminated scenes that remained relatively dust free, of nothing the
least bit reactive and a good amount of what has to be vast lunar
white-out zones that oddly can't be recorded from orbit or via our best
terrestrial telescopes, all of which without once having a stitch of
secondary/recoil photons to deal with, and actually the earthshine, the
location and size of mother Earth seemed somehow off the mark to boot.
As I said, nor does this series of reports even hint upon there being a
total lack of any involvement of their spacecraft reaction wheels for
safely accomplishing incoming/deorbit and down-range flight stability
management control, of methods that if managed via what was way back
then essentially single bit (on/off) bang-bang thrusters seems rather
ify.
If the dark (well under 5% albedo) portions of Earth were being so
nicely photo recorded as just fine and dandy along with our deep blue
seas, white clouds and of the rather extremely subdued blue of our own
american flag, as then a couple of other planets and a few terribly
vibrant stars couldn't possibly have been so easily excluded.
Especially the nearby and highly reflective orb of Venus on at least
two of there missions had to have been in smack their dumbfounded faces
big-time. Kodak film DR is somewhat limited compared to modern CCDs but
it certainly doesn't lack the equivalent of pixels/mm , and it simply
wasn't that DR pathetic, as even the planet Jupiter offers a similar
photographic image intensity if that were being compared to the typical
11~12% albedo worth of our moon, and I understand that supposedly
Jupiter is a seriously big planet though somewhat far away, whereas
Venus is essentially Earth like in clouded size except 80% reflective,
and as I'd said it was sufficiently nearby upon two of their Apollo
missions. In order to honestly compare as to what's photographically
doable (especially from the surface of the moon), as such would you
like to review some independent moon/Jupiter images?
Most of the internal sub-links are simply chuck full of the numerous
image content related issues that do in fact seem out of place or at
least skewed away from what other hard-science has since had to offer,
and certainly not of what one might have expected if the regular laws
of physics were applied. Otherwise, they've simply not addressed the
overall film exposure that was essentially unfiltered and supposedly
getting the fullest benefit of raw worth of what the greater
proportions of solar near-blue, near-UV and UV-a energy that had to
exist at rather enormous levels greater than indicated by any of those
terrestrial and Xenon lamp illuminated Kodak moments, and yet there's
not even the planet Venus nor capturing the Sirius star system was ever
once within their thousands of Kodak photographically recorded frames.
ACTUNG DAS FAQ APOLLO
http://groups.google.com/group/uk.sci.astronomy/browse_frm/thread/7ec8852a9056e9bb/d4959e8b7c70b4c3?lnk=st&q=Apollo+lander+Reaction+Wheels&rnum=1#d4959e8b7c70b4c3
The Apollo Hoax FAQ (is not spam) :-)
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.astronomy/browse_frm/thread/b5268ff5f3854574/9036113943e36b4f?lnk=st&q=%22Nathan+Jones%22+apollo&rnum=5#9036113943e36b4f
Of course there's always our good little anti-ET and thus anti-God
mormon Jay Windley, that which by his mistake allowed his best
rusemaster apollohoax friend to offer me the basic info on lunar
secondary/recoil radiation that'll knock your socks off. Shortly after
that slip of nondisclosure info is when those official 'E-MEN in BLACK'
paid Jay a call, whereas ever since his access to the web and
especially to anything usenet has become taboo/nondisclosure or
sequestered because he was such a bad little boy (Jay Windley *
University of Utah * jwin...@cs.utah.edu). Thus it proves that you
don't even have to be Jewish affiliated in order to appreciate what
knowing thy enemy and snookering thy humanity is all about, because
even Jay Windley is smart enough to know that he's been lying his
anti-ET and thus anti-God mormon butt off for decades.
God is good, God is great, and lord almighty Jay Utah Windley is a
fake. But then so are most of the MI6/NSA~CIA/NASA sacrilegious members
that remain in good standing with their Skull and Bones gipper, which
makes everything else cultish look rather tame.
Brad Guth
Brad Guth
:BS.
>Probably a good general rule.
That's been my problem all along, yapping about hard-science and all of
these pesky regular laws of physics that simply function entirely
different upon our moon, even differently from orbiting at 100+ km to
being on the extremely albedo dark and nasty surface, that which from
orbit indicates as being such extremely dusty, damn hot by day and
otherwise extremely TBI worthy as for being secondary/recoil lethal to
one's DNA/RNA, and that's not to mention physically lethal from
whatever is passing by or impacting at somewhat horrific velocities.
Here I'm suggesting a Lunar Space Elevator that's involving a rather
nifty CM/ISS abode of 1e9 m3 within a 50t/m2 shielded environment
that's perhaps a good 64,000 km above the deck, and I can't seem to get
my regular laws of physics to work. Apparently I've needed the cloak
and dagger variations of what those Art Deco conditional laws of
physics utilized as the necessary smoke and mirrors that was a
requirement for accomplishing all of those previously robotic and maned
landings upon our moon that were apparently so moonsuit butt-naked
friendly. I can't even figure out how all of the deep/rich color of
such raw elements and nasty coal like albedo shifted so far off track,
nor of where all of the sodium, argon and radon atmosphere went. Thus
whatever local and influx radiation must be entirely of illusions that
simply vanished upon landing upon the nearly white-out surface that has
hardly offering any cosmic meteorites, zero spores or even the likes of
Venus diatom shells are nowhere to being found, and oddly even such few
shards of moons rocks as less than being found here upon Earth. In
fact; there's more dust covering of moon rocks that's far less clumping
right here upon Earth than upon the moon, so I simply can't imagine
where all of that absolutely nasty thickness of what should have been
such a dark and nasty dust that's otherwise indicated from terrestrial
as well as from their own orbiting instruments has gone almost entirely
away once setting a foot upon that highly clumping but otherwise
extremely thin layer of apparently zero-static moon dust, looking
almost exactly as though a 50/50 blend of portland cement and cornmeal
were being Xenon lamp illuminated to boot.
Brad Guth.
Bookman
wrote:
>>Art Deco;
>>You're a moon hoaxer, Brad, and a particularly dense one that
>>refuses to consider reality instead of your conspiracy delusions.
>>Any evidence for this delusion, Brad?
>Actually it's the rather unusual lack of there being hardly if any
>usage of reaction wheels on behalf of those supposedly safe and sane
>fly-by-rocket landers that's of interest.
What is this supposed lack of "reaction wheels" supposed to "prove",
Guthball?
>As I've previously pointed
>out that many folks have been put to their death because of far less
>lack of evidence proving their innocence.
Thanks for pointing out your ignorance of the legal system, Bradley.
>
>Accomplishing a GOOGLE usenet group search for whatever's LANDER IPACS
>or of anything NASA IPACS, CEV IPACS or even Apollo Spacecraft Reaction
>Wheels or simply Reaction Flywheels and you'll get next to zilch
But if you Google for NASA gyroscope, lo and behold, you get over
100,000 hits. Thanks for demonstrating your lame disinformation
tactics, Guthboi.
>because lo and behold, there's apparently absolutely nothing there to
>behold of whatever these pathetic rusemasters simply do NOT wish to
>publicly talk about. The GOOGLE WEB search of 'NASA Flywheel' or of
>'Reaction Wheels' does however get us into some limited information
>that's unfortunately somewhat need-to-know and/or a bit
>taboo/nondisclosure, especially if you'd care to explore what if
>anything our NASA/robotic lunar landers and of their Apollo
>fly-by-rocket landers of the mid to late 60's had to work with.
Your inability to use Google for research proves nothing, Ko0kboi.
>
>Apparently our taboo/nondisclosure computer modulated rocket engines of
>the mid/late 60s
Meaningless technobabbling as a disinformation attempt noted.
<Snip remaining unfactual, unscientific Guthspew>
ESL!
--
Bookman -The Official Overseer of Kooks and Trolls in AFA-B
Kazoo Konspirator #668 (The Neighbor of the Beast)
Clue-Bat Wrangler
Keeper of the Nickname Lists
Despotic Kookologist of the New World Order
Monthly Hammer of Thor award, October 2005
"I'd love to kill you in a ring" - Bartmo gets all touchy-feely
"****SPV....... So yes I am an idiot."
"ASK THE NWS, YOUR TAX DOLLAR GOES TO THEM NOT TO DR.TURI."
- Mr. Turi explains how to accurately predict hurricanes
http://www.insurgent.org/~kook-faq/afa-b/
http://www.insurgent.org/~kook-faq/afa-b/index.html
Art Deco
>Of course there's always our good little anti-ET and thus anti-God
>mormon Jay Windley, that which by his mistake allowed his best
>rusemaster apollohoax friend to offer me the basic info on lunar
>secondary/recoil radiation that'll knock your socks off. Shortly after
>that slip of nondisclosure info is when those official 'E-MEN in BLACK'
>paid Jay a call, whereas ever since his access to the web and
>especially to anything usenet has become taboo/nondisclosure or
>sequestered because he was such a bad little boy (Jay Windley *
>University of Utah * jwin...@cs.utah.edu). Thus it proves that you
>don't even have to be Jewish affiliated in order to appreciate what
>knowing thy enemy and snookering thy humanity is all about, because
>even Jay Windley is smart enough to know that he's been lying his
>anti-ET and thus anti-God mormon butt off for decades.
>
>God is good, God is great, and lord almighty Jay Utah Windley is a
>fake. But then so are most of the MI6/NSA~CIA/NASA sacrilegious members
>that remain in good standing with their Skull and Bones gipper, which
>makes everything else cultish look rather tame.
You're a bigot with delusions, guth.
Art Deco
No whining about the "spermware" being delivered into your computer
today, Brad?
Brad Guth
>No whining about the "spermware" being delivered into your computer
>today, Brad?
my PC, purge whatever I can manage and reboot again in order in order
to get such nasty things down to a dull roar. Thereby this morning I
had the usual remainders of their PC AIDS infected sperm that I
couldn't manage to entirely purge. Even so, ever since it's been nearly
but not entirely smooth usenet sailing.
If the situation keeps improving, as such I'll have to refrain from my
usual favor returning of my having to continually share with the usenet
world by way of pointing out to the general public that it's been a
nearly continual MI6/NSA~CIA spermware/malware gauntlet that's actually
been the orchestrated culprit of their mainstream status quo fuckware
having targeted my ISP and usenet connections, that's of my part been
primarily involving usenet text surfing and little other than using the
likes of the GOOGLE/NOVA/NASA serviced web as having provided the bulk
of my searching for whatever public information. Therefore, there's
darn little of anything that's going to/from my PC of which GOOGLE and
others don't have full access to knowing exactly when and where each
and every tidbit of such spermware is headed.
There's almost no such thing as PC web connected privacy, especially
when MI6/NSA~CIA (aka DHS) has all of the side and back door keys with
which to give and take whatever they like. I have most of the important
files backed up and I know that any halfassed PC forensics tech can
extract and/or if need be reconstruct nearly any hidden codes that'll
offer some trace of their origins.
As I'm typing away and attempting to share whatever to/from this usenet
that still summarily sucks and blows, it's perfectly clear that I still
have a few remainders of your warm and fuzzy spermware/malware/fuckware
fooling around within my PC, although as far as I'm concerned those few
pesky little buggers can just stay put, as perhaps representing my
forensics proof-positive that I'm right, though hopefully that's just
short of my having to become dead right like those having been caught
breaking ranks with your Third Reich and Skull and Bones cultism that's
encharge of trying their level best to keep any more of their
perpetrated cold-war beans from spilling.
If it doesn't actually get better, especially if it gets any worse off
than this morning, as such I'll have to return to my usual sharing of
as much information as I can manage after having to reboot.
Brad Guth
Art Deco
Brad Guth
Where has anyone asked for your help?
In fact, I can't seem to locate a soul that's not already a mainstream
status quo brown-nose fool that agrees with you.
You as well as all other pro-Bush crapolla swapping freaks actually
have more enemies than I do. That's not even fair.
Brad Guth
Brad Guth
>Guthball?
stability/pointing was via rocket thrusters. Thus more of their fuel
and of whatever AI/robotics along with human interface was an ongoing
complication that at best was extremely touchy if even all that doable.
Since we also didn't have modulated thrusters for this task makes it
all the more ify, as well as fuel consuming, and certainly offing
little if any chance of whatever plan-B working. You simply could not
possibly keep firing off those powerful main engines unless all else
was under near perfect control. Unfortunately, every action affords and
thus demands an equal reaction, or else.
>But if you Google for NASA gyroscope, lo and behold, you get over
>100,000 hits. Thanks for demonstrating your lame disinformation
>tactics, Guthboi.
I never stipulated they didn't involve "gyroscopes" as per
instrumentation and indirect main-engine pointing control. Thus
indirectly there certainly were a number of "gyroscopes" in action.
Those simply were not directly managing the needs of the physical craft
without their having involved rocket thrusters, which remains as a good
portion of why that sole method still doesn't work as any prototype
fly-by-rocket lander that can be demmonstrated as of today.
BTW; thanks for those few honest and perfectly positive contributions.
Brad Guth
Bookman
wrote:
>Where have I asked for your help?
Your every poast declares to the listening audience[tinla] that you
are in desperate need of help, Guthboi.
>
>Where has anyone asked for your help?
Well, I have had occasion to ask Art for help. You should too, since
he's a helpful individual.
>
>In fact, I can't seem to locate a soul that's not already a mainstream
>status quo brown-nose fool that agrees with you.
That's because they all prefer the facts over your ko0ky delusions.
HTH.
>
>You as well as all other pro-Bush crapolla swapping freaks actually
>have more enemies than I do. That's not even fair.
Why do you make up attitudes for other people, Guthball? Are you
addicted to being a LLPOF?
Bookman
wrote:
>>What is this supposed lack of "reaction wheels" supposed to "prove",
>>Guthball?
>It merely represents that nearly 100% of their spacecraft
>stability/pointing was via rocket thrusters.
So what?
>Thus more of their fuel
>and of whatever AI/robotics
There didn't have "artificial intelligence", Guthboi. They used human
intelligence and computers that are crude by today's standards. And
it worked.
>along with human interface was an ongoing
>complication that at best was extremely touchy if even all that doable.
Except that they did it, so your beliefs in how "complicated" it was
appear to be overridden by the facts.
>
>Since we also didn't have modulated thrusters for this task makes it
>all the more ify, as well as fuel consuming,
More "ify" and "fuel consuming" than what, Guthball?
>and certainly offing
>little if any chance of whatever plan-B working. You simply could not
>possibly keep firing off those powerful main engines unless all else
>was under near perfect control.
And yet, they did it. Many times. Looks like their control was good
enough, since they made it. Once again your beliefs about how
"impossible" it must have been, are wrong.
>Unfortunately, every action affords and
>thus demands an equal reaction, or else.
"Or else" what, Guthy?
>
>>But if you Google for NASA gyroscope, lo and behold, you get over
>>100,000 hits. Thanks for demonstrating your lame disinformation
>>tactics, Guthboi.
>I never stipulated they didn't involve "gyroscopes" as per
>instrumentation and indirect main-engine pointing control. Thus
>indirectly there certainly were a number of "gyroscopes" in action.
But "reaction wheels" are gyroscopes, too, so your "argument" is
really about them not having the gyros that you believe they should
have had.
>Those simply were not directly managing the needs of the physical craft
>without their having involved rocket thrusters, which remains as a good
>portion of why that sole method still doesn't work as any prototype
>fly-by-rocket lander that can be demmonstrated as of today.
"Demmonstrated" where, Guthball? Not that it matters, since a lack of
"demmonstration" that satisfies you doesn't conflict with the fact
that they landed on the moon, repeatedly.
>
>BTW; thanks for those few honest and perfectly positive contributions.
Well, you're quite welcome. But the "apollo hoax" belief is still
ko0ktheory.
Chuck Stewart
> But "reaction wheels" are gyroscopes, too,
Nitpick: It's possible to have reaction
wheels that do not have the traditional
properties associated with gyroscopes.
It _helps_ to use gyroscopes, gives much
more flexibility in operations, but it's
not technically required for reaction
wheels to work. An example would be a
hand-cranked wheel with a friction
brake: crank and the wheel rotates, as
does the spacecraft. Stop cranking and
rotation stops.
Implementing this kludge en toto for any
spacecraft attitude control would result
in a contraption that would make Rube
Goldberg green with envy :)
> ESL!
--
Chuck Stewart
"Anime-style catgirls: Threat? Menace? Or just studying algebra?"
Brad Guth
When and if I need a fresh role of toilet paper, as then I too will ask
your all-knowing wizard/spook Art Deco for help, as I already know for
a matter of fact that at least he has way more than his fair share of
crapolla to deal with, especially if he's sleeping with the likes of
anti-Muslim as well as anti-ET and thus anti-God freaks like yourself
and Dick Cheney.
BTW; thanks for all of your efforts in keeping this topic on top of the
usenet pile. It's almost as though whatever I have to say matters.
Brad Guth
Vanilla Gorilla (Monkey Boy)
wrote in alt.fan.art-bell in message
<6t73o1t84id5se57h...@4ax.com>:
>
> And yet, they did it. Many times. Looks like their control was good
> enough, since they made it. Once again your beliefs about how
> "impossible" it must have been, are wrong.
>
Stupid people routinely underestimate the capabilities of the
intelligent.
--
V.G.
"i would blame them it they went on a holy jhiad and killed off all the infidels, would you?"
- AssLexa's "200+" alien-implanted IQ jumps the rails and crashes into a grade school, killing all inside.
Change pobox dot alaska to gci.
Sarcasm is my sword, Apathy is my shield.
Bookman
wrote:
>On Mon, 21 Nov 2005 10:44:35 +0000, Bookman wrote:
>
>> But "reaction wheels" are gyroscopes, too,
>
>Nitpick: It's possible to have reaction
>wheels that do not have the traditional
>properties associated with gyroscopes.
>
>It _helps_ to use gyroscopes, gives much
>more flexibility in operations, but it's
>not technically required for reaction
>wheels to work. An example would be a
>hand-cranked wheel with a friction
>brake: crank and the wheel rotates, as
>does the spacecraft. Stop cranking and
>rotation stops.
Nevertheless, when you crank the wheel, you are invoking gyroscopic
force, i.e. a gyroscope. Just as a bicycle wheel is a gyroscope, as
is demonstrated in many science classes. Bratty is trying to dodge
the issue by calling a gyroscope a "reactions wheel", that's all.
>
>Implementing this kludge en toto for any
>spacecraft attitude control would result
>in a contraption that would make Rube
>Goldberg green with envy :)
>
Oh, indeed. Nicely put, and another good post which demonstrates
that Bradley's anti-god, anti-science, and anti-ET screed is
non-factual. Thanks for the assist.
Bookman
<vgor...@pobox.alaska.net> wrote:
>On Mon, 21 Nov 2005 10:44:35 GMT, Bookman <boo...@kc.rr.comNULL>
>wrote in alt.fan.art-bell in message
><6t73o1t84id5se57h...@4ax.com>:
>
>>
>> And yet, they did it. Many times. Looks like their control was good
>> enough, since they made it. Once again your beliefs about how
>> "impossible" it must have been, are wrong.
>>
>
>Stupid people routinely underestimate the capabilities of the
>intelligent.
And ko0ks routinely overestimate their own capabilities. Between
these two axioms, it appears that we have adequately described teh
Guthball.
Brad Guth
are continually in the same bed, as in night after night fornacating
their next pagan plan of actions as based upon knowing thy enemy and
thereby snookering thy humanity until them NASA/Apollo cows come home.
Observationology is very much a subjective effort, in that if you're
not out and about looking for the truth is exactly why you will not
find it. The same can be said of most any form of a deductive reasoning
process, of typically eliminating that which fails a given test and/or
fails otherwise because of having a produced lack of the basic
essentials, whereas here again this represents that if you're not
actually looking for the truth is exactly the reason why you're not
going to discover the truth.
It's like reading a true to life history book, however by way of
skipping over whatever conflicts with your mindset is why no matters
how will polished the book, of however appropriately it was researched,
verified and extremely well published is why that book is in the end
going to register as either a null or a negative result from whatever
the author and researchers intended, whereas the skip-over and/or
exclusionary reader isn't going to become convinced of anything that's
contrary to his/her mindset, no matters what.
This is why folks having the pro-NASA/Apollo mindset will never see all
of the blinding lights of truth, nor never will they accept their
responsibility nor in any way demonstrate a gram of remorse. By
excluding whatever evidence existed and/or having come along after the
fact is one of their best and most common wall of fire that'll stop
most any truth dead in its tracks.
Observationology is also a bit like deductively reading between the
lines, of putting the usual 2 and 2 together so as to reinforce upon
that the answer which shoud remain as being the number 4.
As per walking upon our moon, if you are convinced that our folks
safely walked upon the moon in the same passionate degree as you
believe that Jesus Christ was such a self-made trouble maker that was
so totally confident of himself that he actually went out of his way in
order to turn himself over to those nice Romans, knowing exactly what
consequences were most likely, then there's absolutely no amount of
hard-evidence that'll matter. The same can be said of those convinced
that Boeing-747 mid fuel tanks manage to explode because the laws of
physics are actually conditional, as then here too there's no amount of
hard-science, regular laws of physics or much less any other evidence
that matters.
Apparently life at the tip top of the American food chain is so gosh
darn well educated and thus way too smart for making mistakes, nor
thereby having any reasons to involve remorse. Thus zero mistakes and
zero lies is actually a darn good thing to know about the very next
time a fully loaded big plane smashes into a fully occupied tall
building or perhaps takes out a massive stadium that's chuck full of
folks that apparently don't matter. And I believe the same can be said
of Iraq and of dozens of previous fiascos going back decades that seem
to never materialize as by any collective provocation on our part, much
less of any mistakes. Apparently only the poor and uneducated heathen
countries and of those we supposedly despise for almost any reason
under the sun are the ones continually making mistakes and subsequently
lying their butts off. Therefore it's always us being attacked by those
totally unprovoked heathen fools, thereby we keep getting those
surprise attacks for absolutely no good reasons whatsoever.
Of course, I haven't quite bought into most all of that, which is most
likely why my research has been ignored as I'm being topic/author
stalked, bashed and if at all possible I'm either banished popular
sites and/or my PC gets the warm and fuzzy benefit of receiving more
than it's fair share of their mainstream status quo of
spermware/malware, that's clearly in the fullest alignment with
whatever's the MI6/NSA~CIA mindset of sustaining their perpetrated
cold-wars as essentially their form of fuckware crimes against humanity
that obviously hasn't a stitch of remorse, as having been delivered
directly and indirectly upon the backs and carnage of the lower 99.9%
of humanity.
This has become an all or nothing world, meaning there's no room for
compromise, especially from the American patch of this Earth. Either
you belive 100+% in whatever it is that your mindset has you believing
in, or you summarilly die while taking as many others along for the
ride regardless of the truth. Therefore not even possibilities are
allowed into this matrix since we seem to have more than our fair share
those with social, political and religious agendas that'll continually
ignor whatever hard-science it takes, by way of using their
soft-science and conditional laws of physics each and every time as
their personal weapon of choice.
For good reason, exaggeration if not entire fabrications as applied on
behalf of expanding and protecting whatever's your mainstream status
quo is just fine and dandy, as opposed to honest discoveries via
hard-science and of having everything based upon the regular laws of
physics is not allowed if that might rock thy boat. In other words,
honesty is not allowed to ever be in the eye of the beholder, as that
way silly questions will never have any basis for their being asked in
the first place. Of course, I've long since asked more than my fair
share of questions, as now I'm looking for the support of others by way
of obtaining those answers from any possible means that'll share as
much truth as can be found.
I believe that one of those truths involves other life or perhaps ETs
as nearby neighbors, as having been making a go of it on Venus. Another
truth involves making all sorts of good things happen with the proper
utilization of our moon. A third truth has to do with an icy proto-moon
and the arrival of planets, along with our entire collective of a
highly intelligent design being somewhat dragged through an extremely
slight portion of this universe by the massive and powerful Sirius
solar system. Unfortunately, the hidden agendas and taboo/nondisclosure
of this typically need-to-know basis that seems to be running usenet
amuck isn't helping.
Unlike Mars and of most other planets we know of, there are no well
founded issues of hard-science nor of what's outside the regular laws
of physics forbidding other life from having existed and perhaps still
surviving upon Venus. Even if the Venus EXPRESS team brings home new
and/or improved knowledge that the environmental extremes are even more
extreme than imagined, that only excludes a bit more so of life as we
know it and otherwise doesn't in any way exclude the capability of
other forms of life having adapted, nor of ETs having been making a go
of it.
The numbers of possibilities that are in support of my observationology
interpretations are simply staggering, as well as for the potential of
our obtaining further knowledge is far beyond eminence, and the
continuing drama of there being further possibilities to come are
nearly endless if ever allowed to coexist among such a highly bigoted
cesspool of humanity, that which has already had more than its fair
share of time and resources to go around, having proven time and again
upon its insurmountable greed, arrogance and ways of such intellectual
bigotry as having been encharge of and thus knowingly responsible for
most all of the collateral damage and carnage of the innocent.
-
BTW folks; thanks once again for all of those "Art Deco" and "Bookman"
like members of this Skull and Bones "space.com" cult of a usenet that
sucks and blows, as well as for all of their ongoing topic/author
stalking and bashing efforts of the past 6 years and counting, in as
much as having been keeping this one plus quite a few of my topics as
briefly on top of their brown-nosed usenet pile that sucks and blows
big time. With the likes of such anti-everything under the sun
contributions as having provided so much of my proof-positive that I'm
right, whereas it's almost as though whatever honest folks like myself
have to share actually matters a bit more than I'd imagined to such
folks that'll use their political and religious agendas over avoiding
the truth as much as over avoiding the possibilities of future truths
that might rock their good ship LOLLIPOP.
The ongoing and orchestrated efforts in order to spermware/malware (aka
fuckware) my PC and to otherwise foul my access of this internet
superhighway is in fact further proof-positive that I'm more often
right than not about what's been perpetrated and subsequently
sequestered for decades.
Brad Guth;
- - - - - - If you're not looking for the truth, you will not find it.
Bookman
wrote:
>Bookman,
>When and if I need a fresh role of toilet paper,
Heh, you cast yourself in the role of "toilet paper'? How telling.
<Snip Anti-God, Anti-Muslim, Anti-Jewish, Anti-Buddhist, Anti-ET,
Jaws, Anti-Close Encounters of the Third Kind, Anti-human Guthfroth>
Art Deco
>On 21 Nov 2005 10:52:07 -0800, "Brad Guth" <ieisbr...@yahoo.com>
>wrote:
>
>>Bookman,
>>When and if I need a fresh role of toilet paper,
>
>Heh, you cast yourself in the role of "toilet paper'? How telling.
>
><Snip Anti-God, Anti-Muslim, Anti-Jewish, Anti-Buddhist, Anti-ET,
>Jaws, Anti-Close Encounters of the Third Kind, Anti-human Guthfroth>
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahah
I declare a SPNAK!
--
Official Associate AFA-B Vote Rustler
Official Overseer of Kooks and Trolls in alt.astronomy
"The original human being was a female hermaphrodite with
both male and female genitalia."
"Human beings CAN NOT live in a solar system without a sun
with a ferrite core and a planet without a solid iron core."
-- Alexa Cameron, Kook of the Year 2004
"I am a sean being from another planet."
-- Darla aka Dr. Why aka Dr. Yubiwan aka Silouen aka ...
Art Deco
>There are perfectly good reasons why GOOGLE/NOVA/NASA (aka MI6/NSA~CIA)
>are continually in the same bed, as in night after night fornacating
>their next pagan plan of actions as based upon knowing thy enemy and
>thereby snookering thy humanity until them NASA/Apollo cows come home.
*moooo*
>
>Observationology is very much a subjective effort,
No, it's just a stupid term you made up.
Yep, yer still an idiot, Brad.
Wooo, do these sound like Brad now:
"paid usenet posters"
"Government/Media Disinformation Agents"
"AFA-B Bullies"
I think you should start whining to news.admin.net-abuse.usenet, Brad.
>
>Unlike Mars and of most other planets we know of, there are no well
>founded issues of hard-science nor of what's outside the regular laws
>of physics forbidding other life from having existed and perhaps still
>surviving upon Venus. Even if the Venus EXPRESS team brings home new
>and/or improved knowledge that the environmental extremes are even more
>extreme than imagined, that only excludes a bit more so of life as we
>know it and otherwise doesn't in any way exclude the capability of
>other forms of life having adapted, nor of ETs having been making a go
>of it.
>
>The numbers of possibilities that are in support of my observationology
>interpretations are simply staggering, as well as for the potential of
>our obtaining further knowledge is far beyond eminence, and the
>continuing drama of there being further possibilities to come are
>nearly endless if ever allowed to coexist among such a highly bigoted
>cesspool of humanity, that which has already had more than its fair
>share of time and resources to go around, having proven time and again
>upon its insurmountable greed, arrogance and ways of such intellectual
>bigotry as having been encharge of and thus knowingly responsible for
>most all of the collateral damage and carnage of the innocent.
>-
>
>BTW folks; thanks once again for all of those "Art Deco" and "Bookman"
*ding* litsed again!
>like members of this Skull and Bones "space.com" cult of a usenet that
>sucks and blows, as well as for all of their ongoing topic/author
>stalking and bashing efforts of the past 6 years and counting, in as
>much as having been keeping this one plus quite a few of my topics as
>briefly on top of their brown-nosed usenet pile that sucks and blows
>big time. With the likes of such anti-everything under the sun
>contributions as having provided so much of my proof-positive that I'm
>right, whereas it's almost as though whatever honest folks like myself
>have to share actually matters a bit more than I'd imagined to such
>folks that'll use their political and religious agendas over avoiding
>the truth as much as over avoiding the possibilities of future truths
>that might rock their good ship LOLLIPOP.
>
>The ongoing and orchestrated efforts in order to spermware/malware (aka
>fuckware) my PC and to otherwise foul my access of this internet
>superhighway is in fact further proof-positive that I'm more often
>right than not about what's been perpetrated and subsequently
>sequestered for decades.
Call for an FBI investigation into this far-flung conspiracy, Brad.
Send registered letters to your members of Congress, your Governor, and
your local sheriff. These CIA/MI7 spook goons need a leash!
>
>Brad Guth;
>- - - - - - If you're not looking for the truth, you will not find it.
You refuse to consider truth, even when it is handed to you on a
platter, Brad.
Nice kookrant, BTW, Brad.
Art Deco
>X-No-Archive: YES
>Art Deco has offered into testimony
>221120051608422619%art_...@127.0.0.1
>
>> Brad Guth <ieisbr...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> There are perfectly good reasons why GOOGLE/NOVA/NASA (aka MI6/NSA~CIA)
>>> are continually in the same bed, as in night after night fornacating
>>> their next pagan plan of actions as based upon knowing thy enemy and
>>> thereby snookering thy humanity until them NASA/Apollo cows come home.
>>
>> *moooo*
>>>
>>> Observationology is very much a subjective effort,
>>
>> No, it's just a stupid term you made up.
>
>He must have gone to the w0lLk0oK sk0oL of bluster.
Since he won Kook of the Month, his poasts have been one long
acceptance speech.
Vanilla Gorilla (Monkey Boy)
wrote in alt.fan.art-bell in message
> On Mon, 21 Nov 2005 21:48:55 -0900, "Vanilla Gorilla (Monkey Boy)"
> <vgor...@pobox.alaska.net> wrote:
>
> >On Mon, 21 Nov 2005 10:44:35 GMT, Bookman <boo...@kc.rr.comNULL>
> >wrote in alt.fan.art-bell in message
> ><6t73o1t84id5se57h...@4ax.com>:
> >
> >>
> >> And yet, they did it. Many times. Looks like their control was good
> >> enough, since they made it. Once again your beliefs about how
> >> "impossible" it must have been, are wrong.
> >>
> >
> >Stupid people routinely underestimate the capabilities of the
> >intelligent.
>
> And ko0ks routinely overestimate their own capabilities. Between
> these two axioms, it appears that we have adequately described teh
> Guthball.
>
> ESL!
K00k Credo #217(B) - "If *I* can't figure out how something could be
done, it is therefore impossible."
Brad Guth
cesspool of what has represented usenet spermology on steroids, as in
bigotry, arrogance and the very best of their Third Reich doing its
thing on behalf of their Skull and Bones gipper.
Apparently this GOOGLE/NOVA/NASA = MI6/NSA~CIA topic simply isn't real
enough, isn't of what's a sufficient matter of fact, or rather isn't
worth drawing further attention to. I guess The New York Times is
equally sharing bogus info, just like all of the media that's not 100+%
on the LLPOF side of our resident warlord(GW Bush).
-
BTW folks; thanks once again for all of those "Chadwick Stone©",
"Vanilla Gorilla (Monkey Boy)", "OM", "Art Deco", "Fred J. McCall",
"Chuck Stewart" and "Bookman" like members of this Skull and Bones and
"space.com" cult of a usenet that continually sucks and blows out their
disinformation as NOVA class of infomercials, as well as for all of
their ongoing topic/author stalking and bashing efforts of the past 6
years and counting, in as much as having been keeping the likes of this
one plus quite a few of my own topics as briefly on top of their
brown-nosed usenet pile that sucks and blows big time. With the likes
of such anti-everything under the sun contributions as having provided
so much of my proof-positive that I'm right, whereas it's almost as
though whatever honest folks like myself have to share actually matters
a bit more than I'd imagined to such all-knowing folks that'll use
their political and religious agendas on behalf of their avoiding the
truth as much as avoiding the possibilities of future truths that might
rock their good ship LOLLIPOP.
The ongoing and orchestrated efforts in order to spermware/malware (aka
fuckware) my PC, and to otherwise foul my access of this internet
Bookman
<vgor...@pobox.alaska.net> wrote:
>On Tue, 22 Nov 2005 13:05:10 GMT, Bookman <boo...@kc.rr.comNULL>
>wrote in alt.fan.art-bell in message
><2p56o1t7hg2o0l6or...@4ax.com>:
>
>> On Mon, 21 Nov 2005 21:48:55 -0900, "Vanilla Gorilla (Monkey Boy)"
>> <vgor...@pobox.alaska.net> wrote:
>>
>> >On Mon, 21 Nov 2005 10:44:35 GMT, Bookman <boo...@kc.rr.comNULL>
>> >wrote in alt.fan.art-bell in message
>> ><6t73o1t84id5se57h...@4ax.com>:
>> >
>> >>
>> >> And yet, they did it. Many times. Looks like their control was good
>> >> enough, since they made it. Once again your beliefs about how
>> >> "impossible" it must have been, are wrong.
>> >>
>> >
>> >Stupid people routinely underestimate the capabilities of the
>> >intelligent.
>>
>> And ko0ks routinely overestimate their own capabilities. Between
>> these two axioms, it appears that we have adequately described teh
>> Guthball.
>>
>> ESL!
>
>K00k Credo #217(B) - "If *I* can't figure out how something could be
>done, it is therefore impossible."
Which, when coupled with KC #217(C) - "If I can imagine a process
having a problem, it is therefore impossible", describes teh Guthball
to a "T".
Art Deco
The saucerheads hit these two spot on with their amusing attempts to
argue their way to an imaginary "aether".
Art Deco
>Interesting how there's not a collective peep out of this incest cloned
>cesspool of what has represented usenet spermology on steroids, as in
>bigotry, arrogance and the very best of their Third Reich doing its
>thing on behalf of their Skull and Bones gipper.
>
>Apparently this GOOGLE/NOVA/NASA = MI6/NSA~CIA topic simply isn't real
>enough, isn't of what's a sufficient matter of fact, or rather isn't
>worth drawing further attention to. I guess The New York Times is
>equally sharing bogus info, just like all of the media that's not 100+%
>on the LLPOF side of our resident warlord(GW Bush).
>-
>
>BTW folks; thanks once again for all of those "Chadwick StoneŠ",
>"Vanilla Gorilla (Monkey Boy)", "OM", "Art Deco", "Fred J. McCall",
>"Chuck Stewart" and "Bookman" like members of this Skull and Bones and
And another Guth Lits! When do you start retufting all the psets, Brad?
--
Vanilla Gorilla (Monkey Boy)
wrote in alt.fan.art-bell in message
> Brad Guth <ieisbr...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >Interesting how there's not a collective peep out of this incest cloned
> >cesspool of what has represented usenet spermology on steroids, as in
> >bigotry, arrogance and the very best of their Third Reich doing its
> >thing on behalf of their Skull and Bones gipper.
> >
> >Apparently this GOOGLE/NOVA/NASA = MI6/NSA~CIA topic simply isn't real
> >enough, isn't of what's a sufficient matter of fact, or rather isn't
> >worth drawing further attention to. I guess The New York Times is
> >equally sharing bogus info, just like all of the media that's not 100+%
> >on the LLPOF side of our resident warlord(GW Bush).
> >-
> >
> >BTW folks; thanks once again for all of those "Chadwick StoneŠ",
> >"Vanilla Gorilla (Monkey Boy)", "OM", "Art Deco", "Fred J. McCall",
> >"Chuck Stewart" and "Bookman" like members of this Skull and Bones and
>
> And another Guth Lits! When do you start retufting all the psets, Brad?
Only back for a few days, and I've been LITSED! Yea!
Brad Guth
Boy)?
Clearly "Vanilla Gorilla" and of all the dripping brown-nosed trails
to/from whomever haven't been exactly looking for the truth, especially
if it's of any boat-rocking truth. Just exactly like your good buddy GW
Bush, Hitler and of Pope's going postal upon Cathars, it's all or
nothing, including a fully perpetrated WW-III.
Art Deco
>Is there such a thing as a usenet fag, aka Vanilla Gorilla (Monkey
>Boy)?
Unable to argue for his kooky space theories, Guth dips into his ad
hominem bag-o-tricks.
>
>Clearly "Vanilla Gorilla" and of all the dripping brown-nosed trails
Unable to argue for his kooky space theories, Guth dips into his ad
hominem bag-o-tricks.
>to/from whomever haven't been exactly looking for the truth, especially
>if it's of any boat-rocking truth.
So why do you post lies to usenet, Brad?
>Just exactly like your good buddy GW
>Bush, Hitler and of Pope's going postal upon Cathars, it's all or
>nothing, including a fully perpetrated WW-III.
Anyone who doesn't buy into your silly notions about the Moon and Venus
is trying to start a world war. Got it.
Delusions of grandeur noted, Brad.
[guthlinks flushed]
Brad Guth
been hours upon hours ago and it isn't showing up as planned within
"sci.space.policy, sci.space.history, sci.physics, sci.astro,
alt.news-media". It must have been something that I'd said that's
rocking yet another mainstream status quo boat.
topic: Brad Guth feeds the brown-nosed incest cloned clowns of usenet
Since wizards/perverts (aka MI6/NSA~CIA spooks) "Bookman" and "Art
Deco" have intentionally bashed and having diverted my topic of: What's
actually HOT and NASTY about Venus?
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.space.history/browse_frm/thread/77e25d90e807f3de/ff4ebc88a0e7ac57#ff4ebc88a0e7ac57
as into their mutually brown-nosed cesspool of disinformation clubs of
"alt.fan.art-bell, alt.usenet.kooks", as for that reason alone I'll
have to repost a few of my most interesting contributions so that the
original groups of "sci.space.policy, sci.space.history, sci.physics,
sci.astro, alt.news-media" can fully appreciate all my efforts in
sharing as well as per returning the favor.
>Bookman;
>I notice that you keep snipping away those facts, Guthball. You know,
>the pictures, moonrocks, films and transmissions from the face of the
>moon, as well as the testimony of the men who walked on the moon.
Hmmmm, that's hardly sharing of news we can use.
Would you like to explain the Xenon lamp illumination of color spectrum
that's clearly the case of those Apollo/EVA unfiltered Kodak moments?
I've already given way more than the proof-positive that you're so gosh
darn stupid to realize squat when you're stepping in your own.
Therefore, how can you and of all your incest of disinformation
possibly understand squat about photons and film?
>OK, here you go: Due to the inverse square law of radiation, Venus is
>radically hotter than Earth is. And an atmosphere that is much hotter
>and denser than Earth's, and very much higher in CO2 isn't conducive
>to life as we know it.
I 100% agree, and always have.
>Oh, that's rich, Guthball - you're calling on SpongeBob Squarepants to
>support your "position"? LOLOLOL!!!
No sir fool on the hill, I'm just sharing that "SpongeBob Squarepants"
is a whole lot smarter then yourself, and has remorse to boot.
>Earth to Guthboi: Kodak doesn't claim that "Apollo didn't happen" the
>way that you k'lame it. That's because the photographic experts at
>Kodak know that the photographs taken on the moon are real. HTH.
Please quote whatever, as in share and share alike because, others and
I've looked for and still can't manage to identify any such official
Kodak coporate support whatsoever.
>I represent the scientific facts of the lunar landings, Borgboi.
Then you represent another dripping butt load of soft-science that's
remote obtained at best, and otherwise you represent conditional laws
of physics that's so gosh darn brown-nosed that it can't breath.
>Why does the truth about men walking on the moon "rock your boat",
>Guthball?
It can't be accomplished (not even robotically) with the available
technology of today, much less of the mid/late 60's. Micro/small
satellites of as little as a kg could and perhaps should have been
deployed to the lunar surface as of a couple of decades ago, but as of
today we can't even manage that much. It doesn't require a very big
fly-by-rocket effort for getting a few kg worth of a few such small
satellites into extremely low lunar orbits that'll at best soon decay
into somewhat hard-landings.
Brad Guth;
- - - - - - If you're not looking for the truth, you will not find it.
"To believe with certainty we must begin with doubting."
-Stanislaus I
"The real voyage of discovery consists not in seeking new landscapes,
but having new eyes."
- Marcel Proust
"Truth is given, not to be contemplated, but to be done. Life is an
action, not a thought."
-F.W. Robertson
Brad Guth
should include.
If humanity is in any way alone within our solar system, much less our
nearby galaxy members of our group of solar systems being lead through
this gauntlet of space by the all powerful Sirius solar system, it is
only a matter of our being alone as created within our bigotry of having
polished the art of having excluded our own kind. Therefore ETs are just
flat out of luck if they should expect some of us to ever accept
otherwise. Just like this usenet that is now into sucking so hard on
itself that they simply can't sequester the truth any longer. It seems
their good ship LOLLIPOP is has sunk entirely below the main deck
because, at least as of Nov 25, 8:50 am is when shortly thereafter the
likes of "Bookman" and "Art Deco" managed to get the final plug pulled
without even sharing a peep of remorse with the world.
Now the GOOGLE/NOVA/NASA (aka MI6/NSA~CIA) usenet has to get entirely
reformatted in order to somehow purge the likes of whatever others and
myself have been having to say. In the mean time and on behalf of the
likes of GOOGLE/NOVA/NASA usenet junkies, I'll have to bet it's almost
like time is standing still unless they've got some other means of
accessing usenet without their having to go through the GOOGLE
interface.
Never the less, I'll have to share that Venus is in fact exactly as hot
and nasty as having been carefully unspecified by the scripted words of
lord "Bookman"
>Bookman; - Due to the inverse square law of radiation, Venus is
>radically hotter than Earth is. And an atmosphere that is much hotter
>and denser than Earth's, and very much higher in CO2 isn't conducive
>to life as we know it.
Of which I've always agreed and reinforced upon that belief with a whole
lot more than what's been NASA certified as being the case. Although
most other research that's external to our NASA moderated and very Koran
like scripted results are those honest interpretations of hard-science
as having been indicating somewhat cooler zones.
All of Bookman's statements are perfectly true if not somewhat failsafe
without those words ever excluding upon life NOT as we know it, and
especially of NOT having excluded of other ET life which we refuse to
accept is even more than likely the case.
Therefore I'd have to agree that Venus "isn't conducive to life as we
know it"
Venus offers: "an atmosphere that is much hotter and denser than
Earth's"
Thereby no argument that "Venus is radically hotter than Earth is"
"Due to the inverse square law of radiation," is also where the regular
laws of physics have been telling us the truth and nothing but the
truth, of which I'm not some village idiot or messenger from hell that's
suggesting otherwise.
Oddly this very same "inverse square law of radiation" doesn't seem to
work all that well on behalf of his pagan religion nor of our
NASA/Apollo fiasco, whereas the secondary/recoil worth of such
hard-X-rays as coming off the moon are somewhat like all of those
stealth/invisible WMD, meaning the closer we get ourselves to the moon
the fewer if any secondary/recoil worth of such DNA/RNA lethal as well
as Kodak moment nasty hard-X-rays are to be found.
However, with Venus having an average albedo of being nearly 80%
reflective, a rather nifty factor of 80/35.5 = 2.25:1 that's essentially
better than twice as reflective as mother Earth, whereas this represents
that the vast majority of the raw solar influx is getting quite nicely
moderated right from the very get go, of that planet's environment
receiving 2.25:1 less of it's average of 2650 w/m2 than of our's having
to deal with 1375 watts/m2.
Giving a layman method of looking at this situation is to realize that
2650/2.25 = 1177 w/m2
Venusians or ETs having to deal with 1177 watts/m2 is only somewhat less
than 1375 watts/m2.
Having accumulated a fairly intensified layer of S8, as per having been
understood by the research of John Ackerman, as being situated at
something above 48 km off the geothermally active deck is essentially
located between the lower cloud haze zone and the thick upper cloud
layers, this as might otherwise suggest upon yet another complex barrier
of a fairly massive element that can be rather thermally conductive by
night and otherwise reacting as a reflective layer by day, whereas this
consideration may simply not be fully appreciated, especially since this
sort of massive S8 element has been suggested by yet another outsider
having been looking at most all of the available hard-science. Not that
I concur with all that's John Ackerman, but if you'd like to review his
research: An Alternate View of Venus
http://www.firmament-chaos.com/recent_papers.html
http://www.firmament-chaos.com/papers/fvenuspaper.pdf
Of course, there is the extended season of daytime that'll have reached
a point of thermal saturation when the thermal layers within and just
below them thick clouds are reflecting and otherwise conducting nearly
the same outgoing thermal outflux as the solar energy influx that's
continually arriving by day, whereas these clouds that are still capable
of transferring a wee bit of solar energy through and even into the near
surface environment will in fact come into a balance of their hardly
transferring all that much, whereas the extended nighttime season of
what those fast moving clouds get exposed to as offered by an extremely
sub-freezing dark side is in fact capable of continually extracting a
great deal of thermal energy from sunset to sunrise, and that's
regardless of the velocity of those retrograde flowing clouds, thus
allowing for extracting all of the solar influx along with whatever's
geothermal. To think if this were not happening, Venus would have
exploded and/or imploded millions of years ago.
It's been well established from multiple research that measurably if not
considerably more thermal energy leaves Venus than is contributed by the
sun. Therefore, ruling out the solar global warming via a greenhouse as
the sole reason, whereas now being somewhat secondary if not third on
the list if you'd care to consider what humanity has achieved as a
measurable degree of artificial global warming on behalf of cooking
mother Earth. Just imagine if our Earth was as continually clouded over,
and as having a rather nasty layer of S8 to deal with, as to what our
environmental impact upon creating and sustaining our very own
greenhouse would have amounted to. There certainly would not bee and
snow or ice upon Earth, just the usual dumb and dumber souls that still
can't tie their own shoe laces without their having to be told exactly
what to do by their pagan warlords that can't afford to accept anything
more which rocks their fleet of sinking boats.
Others and myself happen to believe the hard-science has been telling us
all along that Venus is a relatively newish planet, or perhaps at least
it's been into recovering from a relatively recent trauma that had been
responsible for causing the increase in geothermal activity and
subsequently creating the atmospheric density ever since it either
bounced itself off of some other orb or perhaps having survived an icy
proto-moon implant via happenstance or intelligent design that didn't
quite take according to plan, but instead impacted. I'm thinking that
even a near-miss of such a planet sized comet like entry into our solar
system would have been enough cause to have made for a great deal of
renewed geothermal activity, though possibly not enough of a fiasco to
have entirely excluded all existing forms of life nor much less having
excluded sufficiently smart ETs from their having a tough but
surmountable go at their surviving upon Venus in spite of so much of
everything going to hell.
As per what was most likely the case of our once upon a time icy
proto-moon, Sedna could be and/or become the icy proto-moon of
intelligent design Plan-B, as intended for the salvation of essentially
icing down Venus, as how otherwise would any halfwit creator manage to
get oceans of salty water plus life as having been sequestered within
that thick layer of ice safely deployed through space?
Brad Guth;
- - - - - - If you're not looking for the truth, you will not find it.
"To believe with certainty we must begin with doubting."
-Stanislaus I
"The real voyage of discovery consists not in seeking new landscapes,
but having new eyes."
- Marcel Proust
"Truth is given, not to be contemplated, but to be done. Life is an
action, not a thought."
-F.W. Robertson
~
Kurt Vonnegut would have to agree far beyond; WAR is WAR, thus "in war
there are no rules" - In fact, war has been the very reason of honest
folks having to deal with the likes of others that haven't been playing
by whatever the supposed rules, such as our resident warlord(GW Bush).
Life upon Venus, a township w/Bridge & ET/UFO Park-n-Ride Tarmac:
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-town.htm
The Russian/China LSE-CM/ISS (Lunar Space Elevator)
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/lunar-space-elevator.htm
Venus ETs, plus the updated sub-topics; Brad Guth / GASA-IEIS
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-topics.htm
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Vanilla Gorilla (Monkey Boy)
wrote in alt.fan.art-bell in message
> Brad Guth <ieisbr...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >Is there such a thing as a usenet fag, aka Vanilla Gorilla (Monkey
> >Boy)?
>
> Unable to argue for his kooky space theories, Guth dips into his ad
> hominem bag-o-tricks.
> >
> >Clearly "Vanilla Gorilla" and of all the dripping brown-nosed trails
>
> Unable to argue for his kooky space theories, Guth dips into his ad
> hominem bag-o-tricks.
Brad knows he can't compete with me in any argument, and it took
almost nothing for me to whip him into frenzy, foaming like a Grande
latté of Stupidity. I don't even remember what I said to set him off
so, and he's not worth the effort it would take to go back and look.
Art Deco
>That's rather odd, in that I had posted this following topic that's
>been hours upon hours ago and it isn't showing up as planned within
>"sci.space.policy, sci.space.history, sci.physics, sci.astro,
>alt.news-media". It must have been something that I'd said that's
>rocking yet another mainstream status quo boat.
Occam's Razor would say otherwise, Brad.
>
>topic: Brad Guth feeds the brown-nosed incest cloned clowns of usenet
>
>Since wizards/perverts (aka MI6/NSA~CIA spooks) "Bookman" and "Art
>Deco" have intentionally bashed and having diverted my topic of: What's
>actually HOT and NASTY about Venus?
>http://groups.google.com/group/sci.space.history/browse_frm/thread/77e25d90e807
>f3de/ff4ebc88a0e7ac57#ff4ebc88a0e7ac57
>as into their mutually brown-nosed cesspool of disinformation clubs of
>"alt.fan.art-bell, alt.usenet.kooks", as for that reason alone I'll
>have to repost a few of my most interesting contributions so that the
>original groups of "sci.space.policy, sci.space.history, sci.physics,
>sci.astro, alt.news-media" can fully appreciate all my efforts in
>sharing as well as per returning the favor.
Asked and answered, Brad. Move on.
More Guth gaga.
Art Deco
>On Fri, 25 Nov 2005 07:53:41 -0700, Art Deco <art_...@127.0.0.1>
>wrote in alt.fan.art-bell in message
><251120050753413063%art_...@127.0.0.1>:
>
>> Brad Guth <ieisbr...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> >Is there such a thing as a usenet fag, aka Vanilla Gorilla (Monkey
>> >Boy)?
>>
>> Unable to argue for his kooky space theories, Guth dips into his ad
>> hominem bag-o-tricks.
>> >
>> >Clearly "Vanilla Gorilla" and of all the dripping brown-nosed trails
>>
>> Unable to argue for his kooky space theories, Guth dips into his ad
>> hominem bag-o-tricks.
>
>Brad knows he can't compete with me in any argument, and it took
>almost nothing for me to whip him into frenzy, foaming like a Grande
>latté of Stupidity. I don't even remember what I said to set him off
>so, and he's not worth the effort it would take to go back and look.
But he foams so well, you must agree.
Art Deco
>Here's a bit more of what "Gees Louise! GOOGLE/NOVA/NASA = MI6/NSA~CIA"
>should include.
Liar; it's the same kookdrool you've posted over and over, Brad.
[guth gaga flushed]
Brad Guth
MI6/NSA/CIA~NASA spook and Third Reich member of the Skull and Bones
cult),
>it's the same kookdrool you've posted over and over, Brad.
bible over and over, almost as though it's the truth and nothing but
the truth. When will it all end?
>Bookman; - "That's exactly the opposite of science."
The very opposite of science is having to base whatever upon yet
another bloody lie, then to continue lying your stinking bigoted butts
off as a brown-nosed collective of absolute sicko perverts until them
NASA/Apollo cows come home, just so that yourself and others in bed
with you can continue those perpetrated cold-war crimes against
humanity until honest folks finally have no viable option except to fly
those big ass aircraft into tall buildings, or perhaps going for all
the mighty gusto of WW-III. As that's reverse science thinking that's
about as overflowing of a stench of having been as space-toilet
crapolla worthy as it gets.
Deductive science and of honest to God observationology via whatever
dot and/or pixel connecting is what being subjectively human is all
about. But then you and your bed-wetting partner Bookman don't believe
in such dot/pixel connecting, nor do you believe in ETs, nor for that
matter in God. So what's the difference?
As otherwise you'd have lots of viable notions to share and share
alike, as towards accomplishing small/micro satellites that are
offering us nothing but a solid win-win for our environment, for our
pocketbooks and for the salvation of humanity and science to boot, or
forbid on behalf of our accomplishing Venus or simply getting the
LSE-CM/ISS up and operating before them damn Chinks or any of those
dirty rotten Russians manage it first. Oops, I said some more of those
naughty/bad names, thus all else is lost in the translation. Too bad
that I'm actually pro-chink as well as pro-ruskie, not to mention being
pro-Muslim to boot.
Of course, I do believe the Bible as well as the Koran have been
subjectively embellished, perhaps even involved with their having a few
of those random dots connected in order to get the point across. Just
because folks have always had a nasty habit of embellishing whatever in
order to suit the situation at hand, this doesn't exclude the truth
portions of what actually matters.
Unfortunately, the likes of Art Deco and Bookman can't stand the truth,
especially the boat rocking of their good ship LOLLIPOP sort of truth
that's getting downright testy.
Science, astronomy and even the realms of physics has from time to time
been embellished to some extent, including the works of Einstein hasn't
been without a stretch or two of dot connecting in a way that benefits
the desired outcome. An honest SWAG is a SWAG, and sometimes a few of
those SWAGs manage to hit the damn nail smack on the head.
Obviously your SWAG as to those WMD didn't quite work out according to
plan, and as a result merely tens of thousands of innocent folks are
now quite dead, and of those still alive haven't much left of their
homes and communities to work with, although we have managed to
thoroughly piss off the remainder of Muslims, thus apparently by the
high standards and accountability of Art Deco and Bookman, all has been
and continues as perfectly fine and dandy.
-
"If you're not looking for the truth, you will not find it."
-Brad Guth
"To believe with certainty we must begin with doubting."
-Stanislaus I
"The real voyage of discovery consists not in seeking new landscapes,
but having new eyes."
-Marcel Proust
Brad Guth
cult),
>it's the same kookdrool you've posted over and over, Brad.
Yeh I know, it's just like some bastards keep publishing that damn
bible over and over, almost as though it's the truth and nothing but
the truth. When will it all end?
With some further honest regard as to my subjective worth of dot and
pixel connecting;
>Bookman; - "That's exactly the opposite of science."
The very opposite of science is having to base whatever upon yet
another bloody lie, then to continue lying your stinking bigoted butts
off as a brown-nosed collective of absolute sicko perverts until them
NASA/Apollo cows come home, just so that yourself and others in bed
with you can continue those perpetrated cold-war crimes against
humanity until honest folks finally have no viable option except to fly
those big ass aircraft into tall buildings, or perhaps going for all
the mighty gusto of WW-III. As that's reverse science thinking that's
about as overflowing of a stench of having been as space-toilet
crapolla worthy as it gets.
Deductive science and of honest to God observationology via whatever
dot and/or pixel connecting is what being subjectively human is all
about. But then you and your bed-wetting partner Bookman don't believe
in such dot/pixel connecting, nor do you believe in ETs, nor for that
matter in God. So what's the difference?
As otherwise the likes of your all-knowing collective expertise would
have lots of viable notions to share and share alike, as towards
accomplishing small/micro satellites that are offering us nothing but a
solid win-win for our environment, for our pocketbooks and for the
salvation of humanity and science to boot, or forbid on behalf of our
actually accomplishing our moon or that of Venus, or simply on behalf
of eventually getting the LSE-CM/ISS up and operating before them damn
Chinks or any of those dirty rotten Russians manage it first. Oops, I
said some more of those naughty/bad names, thus all else is lost in the
translation. Too bad that I'm actually pro-chink as well as pro-ruskie,
not to mention being pro-Muslim to boot.
Of course, I do believe that the Bible as well as the Koran have been
subjectively embellished, perhaps even involved with their having a few
of those random dots of information connected in order to get the point
across. Just because folks have always had a nasty habit of
embellishing whatever in order to suit the situation at hand, this
doesn't exclude the truth portions of what actually matters.
Unfortunately, the likes of Art Deco and Bookman can't stand the truth
any more than they can stand the light of day, especially of the boat
rocking of their good ship LOLLIPOP sort of truth that has been getting
downright testy.
Science, astronomy and even the realms of physics has from time to time
been embellished to some extent, including the works of Einstein hasn't
been without a stretch or two of dot connecting in a way that benefits
the desired outcome. An honest SWAG is a SWAG, and sometimes a few of
those SWAGs manage to hit the damn nail smack on the head, thus
allowing science and humanity to take a step forward.
Obviously your SWAG as to those WMD didn't quite work out according to
plan-A or plan-B, and as a result merely tens of thousands of innocent
folks are now quite dead, and of those still alive haven't all that
much left of their homes and communities to work with, we're certainly
no better off, although we have managed to thoroughly piss off the
remainder of Muslims, thus apparently by the high and mighty standards
and accountability of Art Deco and Bookman, all has alawys been and
Art Deco
>Dear Art Deco (aka brown-nosed MI6/NSA/CIA~NASA spook and Third Reich
>member of the Skull and Bones cult),
>>it's the same kookdrool you've posted over and over, Brad.
>Yeh I know, it's just like some bastards keep publishing that damn
>bible over and over, almost as though it's the truth and nothing but
>the truth. When will it all end?
Free clue, Brad: your kookdrool isn't "scripture."
Art Deco
>Dear lord and all-knowing rusemaster Art Deco (aka brown-nosed
>MI6/NSA/CIA~NASA spook and Third Reich member of your Skull and Bones
>cult),
>>it's the same kookdrool you've posted over and over, Brad.
>Yeh I know, it's just like some bastards keep publishing that damn
>bible over and over, almost as though it's the truth and nothing but
>the truth. When will it all end?
>
>With some further honest regard as to my subjective worth of dot and
>pixel connecting;
>>Bookman; - "That's exactly the opposite of science."
>The very opposite of science is having to base whatever upon yet
>another bloody lie, then to continue lying your stinking bigoted butts
>off as a brown-nosed collective of absolute sicko perverts until them
>NASA/Apollo cows come home, just so that yourself and others in bed
>with you can continue those perpetrated cold-war crimes against
Multi-posting spammer.
Brad Guth
the ultimate of what a true "multi-posting spammer" represents.
Isn't the collateral damage and carnage of the innocent as having been
related directly to your perpetrated cold-war(s) all about being a
"multi-posting spammer"?
Isn't the NASA/Apollo fiasco nothing but MOS tactics of extreme Usenet
multi-post spamming?
Were not those LLPOF WMD essentially "multi-posting spammer" qualified?
-
"If you're not looking for the truth, you will not find it."
-Brad Guth
"To believe with certainty we must begin with doubting."
-Stanislaus I
"The real voyage of discovery consists not in seeking new landscapes,
but having new eyes."
-Marcel Proust
"Truth is given, not to be contemplated, but to be done. Life is an
action, not a thought."
-F.W. Robertson
~
Kurt Vonnegut would have to agree far beyond; WAR is WAR, thus "in war
there are no rules" - In fact, war has been the very reason of honest
folks having to deal with the likes of others that haven't been playing
by whatever the supposed rules, such as our resident LLPOF warlord(GW
Dr. Flonkenstein
> Obviously Art Deco's brown-nosed lies upon lies should prove as being the
> ultimate of what a true "multi-posting spammer" represents.
>
> Isn't the collateral damage and carnage of the innocent as having been
> related directly to your perpetrated cold-war(s) all about being a
> "multi-posting spammer"?
>
> Isn't the NASA/Apollo fiasco nothing but MOS tactics of extreme Usenet
> multi-post spamming?
>
> Were not those LLPOF WMD essentially "multi-posting spammer" qualified? -
>
> "If you're not looking for the truth, you will not find it." -Brad Guth
>
Hello mono-posting spammer!!!
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The Way of the Kook:
http://www.insurgent.org/~jhd/kookway.htm
in Message-ID:<1132269600.4...@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>
Raving Loonie shows his homoerotical masturbatory fantasms:
"Wank on, twit."
in Message-ID:<adurg15tk0vd6ip6r...@4ax.com>
Alexa "Crackpot" Cameron explains electromagnetism, and how
the sun has an 'iron core':
"The sun and the earth are 'magnets', each with an iron
based core, and both have an electrical force between them."
in Message-ID: <rjise19nrclufrgjg...@4ax.com>
Mark "Woody" Ferguson shows his mastery of the English language:
"With patients and practice you could be nominated next time around..."
in Message-MID: <k1kte1hu59khhkt4m...@4ax.com>
Mark "The illiterate" Ferguson astonishes everybody saying:
"Oh, for fucks sake, Gary no matter how angery he thinks he makes there
are lines I will not cross unless I believe what I say is the true, I
know more then you."
in Message-ID: <lhic01pc5svudk22n...@4ax.com>
Alexa "Tequila Titsz" Cameron explains world religions:
"The jews roots are islamic."
in Message-ID: <j1b5c1l2629tc6afu...@4ax.com>
Alexa "dumbass" Cameron shows her knowledge of history:
"WRONGO. There was NO Bible before King James had it written."
in Message-ID: <5g89d15kbjd3cd7i6...@4ax.com>
Alexa "Word Salad" Cameron shows her knowledge of science:
"Einstein never found the double superimposed doubl 'equilateral' triangle."
in Message-ID: <1rfee1d5iuhq3piii...@4ax.com>
Alexa "Kook of the year 2004" Cameron uses words she doesn't understand again:
"Why is the Pentagon killing American citizens with non-lethal technology?"
in Message-ID: <2mrge1phgk68ourdt...@4ax.com>
Alexa "Imnotalexadammit" Cameron has problems with that extra finger
on her hand:
"Why do the Jews use the Star of David as symbolic of the Pentagon, or
Pentagram?"
reminder: Message-ID: <pan.2005.09.01...@localhost.localdomain>
The quote naziwhore Don Ocean stole.
Art Deco
>Obviously Art Deco's brown-nosed lies upon lies
What lies have I posted, Brad? Be specific or be exposed as a coward
and kook.
bookman
Brad Guth wrote:
> Dear lord and all-knowing rusemaster Art Deco (aka brown-nosed
> MI6/NSA/CIA~NASA spook and Third Reich member of the Skull and Bones
> cult),
> >it's the same kookdrool you've posted over and over, Brad.
> Yeh I know, it's just like some bastards keep publishing that damn
> bible over and over, almost as though it's the truth and nothing but
> the truth. When will it all end?
>
> >Bookman; - "That's exactly the opposite of science."
> The very opposite of science is having to base whatever upon yet
> another bloody lie,
Which is exactly what you do, plus you reject the facts, to boot.
Thanks for the admission, Guthball.
ESL!
--
Bookman
Art Deco
>Brad Guth <ieisbr...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>Obviously Art Deco's brown-nosed lies upon lies
>
>What lies have I posted, Brad? Be specific or be exposed as a coward
>and kook.
Note: no response. To be expected of a kook who runs away when called
on his kooky claims.
Brad Guth
one of which is named Art Deco, another one named Bookman, with lots
more of these custom named fishing hooks being created as I speak.
These hooks are for sale at $1000 each (plus S&H and local sales tax).
Thus no lie folks, send roughly $1100 per each of these impressive
looking custom hooks.
I've also noticed that your incest cloned and extremely brown-nosed
collective of Usenet spooks of this GOOGLE/NOVA/NASA disinformation
cesspool have been sharing their boss's spermware/malware (aka
MI6/NSA~CIA PC fuckware) again, as per getting right back into their
usual old space-toilet tricks again. So, I guess that I'll just have to
keep returning the warm and fuzzy favor with as much love and affection
as I can muster.
-
"If you're not looking for the truth, you will not find it."
-Brad Guth
"To believe with certainty we must begin with doubting."
-Stanislaus I
"The real voyage of discovery consists not in seeking new landscapes,
but having new eyes."
-Marcel Proust
"Truth is given, not to be contemplated, but to be done. Life is an
action, not a thought."
-F.W. Robertson
~
Kurt Vonnegut would have to agree far beyond; WAR is WAR, thus "in war
there are no rules" - In fact, war has been the very reason of honest
folks having to deal with the likes of others that haven't been playing
by whatever the supposed rules, such as our resident warlord(GW Bush).
Brad Guth
cash, check or credit card) as a personal gift from yourself as
intended for supporting my cause, and for that I'll try my very best to
send you a thank you gift that might actually represent a custom
fishing hook that's very special, as something that'll match the sorts
of warm and fuzzy spermware/malware (aka PC fuckware) that I've been
receiving as of lately.
Lola Stonewall Riot
suddenly burst out in tears, saying:
> Art Deco wrote:
>>Brad Guth wrote:
>>
>>>Obviously Art Deco's brown-nosed lies upon lies
>>
>>What lies have I posted, Brad? Be specific or be exposed as a coward and
>>kook.
>
> Note: no response. To be expected of a kook who runs away when called on
> his kooky claims.
Note two new Guthdrool quotes in my sig -- I think he might be angling for
a Palmjob nom...
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The Discordian People's Most Powerful and Revered Being (without portfolio)
"Laws count, the US Constitution count more, and we need to have judges on
the bench who are going to Carry Out those laws, not Make Law or Interpret
Law." -- John "Easily" Shocked contradicts his own words on the overriding
importance of society's reluctance to accept homosexuality, in Message-ID:
<brIDe.67062$Qo.12613@fed1read01>
"For the most part, morality is universal." -- John "Easily" Shocked
"Bad stories are bad stories. We just call them as they are." -- DBurns
demonstrates his sheer cluelessness on Mar 9, 2002, at 6:25 pm, in
rec.arts.drwho
"Bernadette, you ignorant oaf.
Bernadette, you brainless dullard.
Bernadette, you feeble-minded wag.
Bernadette, you blathering baboon.
Bernadette, you babbling boor.
Bernadette, you depraved dolt.
Bernadette, you stinking slimeball.
Bernadette, you yammering yak.
Bernadette, you lily-livered lush.
Bernadette, you hard-hearted hulk."
-- Mother Be Strange gets very hard on herself, in
Message-ID: <94b6d5f1.02032...@posting.google.com>
"[Lurlean] would never dream of sleeping with a dog. The Bible's against
it. You don't seem to care what the Bible says, so she thought maybe you
gave that a try too -- in addition to sucking on Steve, letting him play
with your butt, and having seven different lesbian lovers in our bed." --
Sistah Moonshine shocks a.p.h. with the revelation that she got it off with
"Romaine Brooks", in Message-ID:
<1123725708.7...@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>
"I should have known my boss was evil when he called my jumping onto my
chair to praise the Lord out loud 'inappropriate behavior.'" -- Sistah
Moonshine: Oppressed Christian, in Message-ID:
<1123814023.2...@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
"I made a pact with the devil." -- Sistah Moonshine, from her dream diary,
in Message-ID:
<1124074725....@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>
"'drink that hooch,' they would say, 'and then smoke that joint. Bury your
head in that strange woman's crotch and bring her to a thunderous climax
with your tongue, then tell her no man could ever give her that much
pleasure in a thousand years. Tell her to leave her husband and become a
lesbian. Drip hot wax on that pervert's nutty buddies and then charge him
extra for the privilege.'" -- Sistah Moonshine is now working on an erotic
epic to outmatch Anne Rice.
"Roe V Wade has zero bearing on my existence other than it affects it
adversely."
-- Johnny Wentzky never had much truck with "logic".
"You are the GOD-DAMNED, IGNORANT LIAR here.
Now, that is not me taking the Lord's name in vain."
-- John Wentzky: Living proof of the Death of Irony, in Message-ID:
<jljOe.5348$ZD4....@bignews3.bellsouth.net>
"Maybe some day double-A someone will write a novel 'The war of the
Universes.' I would hate to go to war against Treb. I would be like
committing suicide." -- Saucerhead ga-ga from Herbert Glazier, in MID:
<24084-438...@storefull-3337.bay.webtv.net>
"How true it is to have complicated matters by way of showing that of
taking pictures of an extremely dark and otherwise extremely nasty moon as
from time to time having recorded the likes of Jupiter, Mars or Venus
within the same frame, as it only proves that some of us having "the right
stuff" are simply better butt sucking liars than others." -- Guthball was
just drooling along, minding his own wacky conspiracy theory, when John
Griffin walked up and "got his nose", in MID:
<1133541974....@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
"What's incoherent about my dyslexic form of Klingon encryption." -- Brad
Guth suffered third-degree autoflame burns over ninety-five percent of his
body from, er, asking this in MID:
<1133648033.0...@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>
"This bandwidth has been rescued from AOL." -- mimus
Brad Guth
you're actually a certified born-again liar?
Obviously of any subjectively interpreted differences of opinion
doesn't count, especially if any amount of hard-science or other well
established evidence can be excluded along with using those conditional
laws of physics in order to suit your side of the argument. So, what's
your point?
Clearly I do not believe a word that our NASA or most other government
agencies have to say on face value, whereas you'll believe in anything
submitted as is where is by those blood and oil sucking bastards, or by
the likes of whatever your Skull and Bones (aka Hitler Third Reich
collaborators) offers as being just perfectly fine and dandy by way of
your 'high standards and accountability' and by your 'so what's the
difference' policy.
It's somewhat like informing a devout Jew that he/she is directly
related to a Christ killer, or informing a Catholic that a couple of
their Popes exterminated Cathars for blood-sport and profit, and of
telling most anyone that there never was any cash of significant WMD
other than for all of the bigotry and greed formulated basis of incest
crapolla within the pants of our LLPOF resident warlord(GW Bush), of
the very same crapolla that's on and deep within your extremely
brown-nose. There's little question that if you valued your life and
the lives of close friends and family, you certainly wouldn't dare
attempt to suggest and much less prove that your own boss (aka
Hitler/Bush) was a born-again liar.
Each of those are true statements about Jews, Catholics and of our warm
and fuzzy GW Bush being our very own LLPOF commander in chief of a
certified moron from hell, but as within this Usenet that's into
seriously sucking and blowing disinformation and thereby into cloning
MOS incest liars (aka Art Deco) telling us lies upon lies, the very
last thing that'll ever fly is the truth, at least not unless it's over
your remorseless dead body. Meaning the sooner the likes of yourself
dead the better, so what are you waiting for?
Actually, my lord almighty Art Deco. With some honest regard to what's
in the eye of the beholder, dot/pixel connecting as per what it is,
whereas it's nearly always been the total lack of photons that affords
most of us wizards and minions our supposed intelligence. As
brown-nosed smart and all-knowing of a MI6/NSA~CIA spook as you are, or
as having willingly freelance represented yourself on their behalf, as
such I'll bet you and of your entire incest cloned collective can't
figure that one out?
-
"If you're not looking for the truth, you will not find it."
-Brad Guth
"To believe with certainty we must begin with doubting."
-Stanislaus I
"The real voyage of discovery consists not in seeking new landscapes,
but having new eyes."
-Marcel Proust
"Truth is given, not to be contemplated, but to be done. Life is an
action, not a thought."
-F.W. Robertson
~
Kurt Vonnegut would have to agree far beyond; WAR is WAR, thus "in war
there are no rules" - In fact, war has been the very reason of honest
folks having to deal with the likes of others that haven't been playing
by whatever the supposed rules, such as our resident warlord(GW Bush).
Art Deco
Here is what you ran away from, Brad:
Message-ID: <301120051454501782%art_...@127.0.0.1>
:Brad Guth <ieisbr...@yahoo.com> wrote:
:
:>Obviously Art Deco's brown-nosed lies upon lies
:
:What lies have I posted, Brad? Be specific or be exposed as a coward
:and kook.
You replied with nothing but standard issue Guth-froth, ergo you have
nothing to back up your insane claims that I lied.
Coward and kook. You may resume kookdancing.
DrPostman
accordance with The Prophecy scribed:
>You replied with nothing but standard issue Guth-froth, ergo you have
>nothing to back up your insane claims that I lied.
>
>Coward and kook. You may resume kookdancing.
That's all he knows to do. You'll never get a straight answer
from him.
--
DrPostman USPS, MBMC, BsD; "Disgruntled, But Unarmed"
Member,Board of Directors, afa-b, SKEP-TI-CULT® #15-51506-253.
AFA-B Official Pollster & Hammer of Thor winner - August 2004
You can email me at: DrPostman(at)gmail.com
"I have become a Clown"
-Protobrain (getting honest)
Art Deco
>On Mon, 05 Dec 2005 20:01:22 -0700, Art Deco <art_...@127.0.0.1> in
>accordance with The Prophecy scribed:
>
>
>>You replied with nothing but standard issue Guth-froth, ergo you have
>>nothing to back up your insane claims that I lied.
>>
>>Coward and kook. You may resume kookdancing.
>
>
>That's all he knows to do. You'll never get a straight answer
>from him.
At least his kookdance is well-honed.
bru
>On Mon, 05 Dec 2005 20:01:22 -0700, Art Deco <art_...@127.0.0.1> in
>accordance with The Prophecy scribed:
>
>
>>You replied with nothing but standard issue Guth-froth, ergo you have
>>nothing to back up your insane claims that I lied.
>>
>>Coward and kook. You may resume kookdancing.
>
>
>That's all he knows to do. You'll never get a straight answer
>from him.
The Loss of the Victoria
Alas! Now o'er Britannia there hangs a gloom,
Because over 400 British Tars have met with a watery tomb;
Who served aboard the " Victoria," the biggest ship in the navy,
And one of the finest battleships that ever sailed the sea.
And commanded by Sir George Tyron, a noble hero bold,
And his name on his tombstone should be written in letters of gold;
For he was skilful in naval tactics, few men could with him cope,
And he was considered to be the nation's hope.
'Twas on Thursday, the twenty-second of June,
And off the coast of Syria, and in the afternoon,
And in the year of our Lord eighteen ninety-three,
That the ill-fated "Victoria" sank to the bottom of the sea.
The "Victoria" sank in fifteen minutes after she was rammed,
In eighty fathoms of water, which was smoothly calmed;
The monster war vessel capsized bottom uppermost,
And, alas, lies buried in the sea totally lost.
The "Victoria" was the flagship of the Mediterranean Fleet,
And was struck by the "Camperdown" when too close they did meet,
While practising the naval and useful art of war,
How to wheel and discharge their shot at the enemy afar.
Oh, Heaven ! Methinks I see some men lying in their beds,
And some skylarking, no doubt, and not a soul dreads
The coming avalanche that was to seal their doom,
Until down came the mighty fabric of the engine room.
Then death leaped on them from all quarters in a moment,
And there were explosions of magazines and boilers rent;
And the fire and steam and water beat out all life,
But I hope the drowned ones are in the better world free from strife.
Sir George Tyron was on the bridge at the moment of the accident
With folded arms, seemingly quite content;
And seeing the vessel couldn't be saved he remained till the last,
And went down with the "Victoria" when all succour was past.
Methinks I see him on the bridge like a hero brave,
And the ship slowly sinking into the briny wave;
And when the men cried, "Save yourselves without delay,"
He told them to save themselves, he felt no dismay.
'Twas only those that leaped from the vessel at the first alarm,
Luckily so, that were saved from any harm
By leaping into the boats o'er the vessel's side,
Thanking God they had escaped as o'er the smooth water they did glide.
At Whitehall, London, mothers and fathers did call,
And the pitiful scene did the spectators' hearts appal;
But the most painful case was the mother of J. P. Scarlet,
Who cried, "Oh, Heaven, the loss of my son I'll never forget."
Oh, Heaven! Befriend the bereaved ones, hard is their fate,
Which I am sorry at heart to relate;
But I hope God in His goodness will provide for them,
Especially the widows, for the loss of their men.
Alas! Britannia now will mourn the loss of her naval commander,
Who was as brave as the great Alexander;
And to his honour be it fearlessly told,
Few men would excel this hero bold.
Alas! 'Tis sad to be buried in eighty fathoms of Syrian sea,
Which will hide the secret of the "Victoria" to all eternity;
Which causes Britannia's sorrow to be profound
For the brave British Tars that have been drowned.Historical Note
Vice-Admiral Sir George Tryon KCB (right) was one of the most
outstanding naval officers of his generation. Unfortunately he was also
a domineering individual who expected his commands to be obeyed to the
letter. So, when he ordered his fleet to perform a turning manoeuvre
that would inevitably lead to a collision, nobody dared question it
until it was too late.
Steaming towards the Syrian coast in two parallel columns 1,200 yards
apart, Tryon ordered each column to make a U-turn towards eachother so
as to make two columns close together and sailing in the opposite
direction. His Staff
Commander, Thomas Hawkins-Smith, pointed out that the ships would need
to be at least 1,600 yards apart to complete the manoeuvre successfully.
Tryon
acquiesced, but later told his Staff Lieutenant to close the distance to
1,200 yards.
Flags were hoisted to signal the Admiral's orders to the fleet. Tryon
was an expert in fleet handling, and fond of ordering unorthodox
formations to keep his officers on their toes, so if any of his
subordinates thought the orders strange they trusted him to know what he
was doing. Rear-Admiral Markham, leading the second column in HMS
Camperdown, began to semaphore that he had not understood the signal.
However, the impatient Tryon signalled "What are you waiting for?" - a
public rebuke that stung his second-in-command into immediate action.
The doomed ships began to turn towards eachother.
Not until the last moment did the captains attempt to tighten their
turns and avoid a crash. It was too late. Camperdown's ram pierced
Victoria's starboard side, making a huge hole about 12 feet below the
waterline. The other ships in the fleet began to lower their boats, but
Tryon countermanded this not realising how seriously Victoria was
damaged. The ship was steered towards the shore in an effort to beach
her, but she listed ever more to starboard until suddenly she sank
head-first into the sea, with her propellers still turning. The order to
abandon ship came too late for many of the crew to save themselves and
they went down still at their posts.
This was an era when Britannia was supposed to rule the waves. Tryon had
managed to sink one of Her Majesty's most impressive warships on a sunny
day in perfect sailing conditions. Rather than face the shame of the
inevitable court-martial he chose the honourable course and went down
with his ship. 357 sailors went down with him.
Further Reading
The Loss of the Victoria - A full account of the collision and the
personalities involved.
Vice Admiral Sir George Tryon - Brief biography and account of the
collision. HMS Camperdown - Some photos of life aboard Camperdown in the
1890's.
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--
Brugman Mooivinger
Brad Guth
collective of brown noses actually perceive that I give a flying hocky
puck as to what they think.
Yet here they all are, including their "DrPostman" proving that I'm
right.
I'm right about these liars telling us lies upon lies, just as I'm
right about their pagan resident warlord(GW Bush). I'm right about
other significant life as having been coexisting upon Venus, just as
I'm right about our not walking upon our moon. I'm also right that my
God can seriously kick their God's butt, and then some.
I'm also right about our perpetrated cold-wars, and of the trillions
upon trillions such has cost us.
I'm not the one having to collaborate with their Third Reich at the
demise and suffering of my own kind, nor am I having to exclude
evidence, nor have I had to use any of their conditional laws of
physics in order to prove my points.
Just myself, the regular laws of physics and Kodak corporate can easily
establish that we haven't walked upon the moon. On top of that, there's
hard-science that's been telling us all along of what the physical
surface and daytime environment of our moon is actually like.
-
BTW; I've noticed that as of lately I've become a little improved at my
lose-cannon being on-target worthy of actually hitting more than my
fair share of tender private parts associated with whatever the
mainstream status quo holds dear. However, some of these incest cloned
and extremely brown-nosed borg collectives of Usenet spooks, and
specifically of this GOOGLE/NOVA/NASA disinformation cesspool of
topic/author stalking species of brown-nosed rusemasters have been
dipping into using a bit more than their fair share of their boss's
spermware/malware (aka MI6/NSA~CIA PC fuckware) again, as per getting
right back into their usual space-toilet mode of their perpetrating MOS
nasty sorts of cold-war tricks. So, I guess that I'll just have to keep
improving upon my custom hooks while doing my best at returning their
own warm and fuzzy flak along with as much love and affection as I can
muster.
-
"If you're not looking for the truth, you will not find it."
-Brad Guth
"To believe with certainty we must begin with doubting."
-Stanislaus I
"The real voyage of discovery consists not in seeking new landscapes,
but having new eyes."
-Marcel Proust
"Truth is given, not to be contemplated, but to be done. Life is an
action, not a thought."
-F.W. Robertson
~
Kurt Vonnegut would have to agree far beyond; WAR is WAR, thus "in war
there are no rules" - In fact, war has been the very reason of honest
folks having to deal with the likes of others that haven't been playing
by whatever the supposed rules, such as our resident LLPOF warlord(GW
Art Deco
>The Art Deco's, Bookman's and other's of their incest cloned borgism
>collective of brown noses actually perceive that I give a flying hocky
>puck as to what they think.
*ding*
Nice lits o'hate, Brad, and I'm #1!
>
>Yet here they all are, including their "DrPostman" proving that I'm
>right.
>
>I'm right about these liars telling us lies upon lies,
I'm still waiting for you to specify even *one* lie I've posted to
usenet, Brad. You can't.
>just as I'm
>right about their pagan resident warlord(GW Bush). I'm right about
>other significant life as having been coexisting upon Venus,
You are wrong.
>just as
>I'm right about our not walking upon our moon.
You are wrong.
>I'm also right that my
>God can seriously kick their God's butt, and then some.
Who is your "god", Brad?
>
>I'm also right about our perpetrated cold-wars, and of the trillions
>upon trillions such has cost us.
>
>I'm not the one having to collaborate with their Third Reich at the
>demise and suffering of my own kind, nor am I having to exclude
>evidence, nor have I had to use any of their conditional laws of
>physics in order to prove my points.
You can't provide rational evidence for any of your "points", Brad.
>
>Just myself, the regular laws of physics and Kodak corporate can easily
>establish that we haven't walked upon the moon.
Wrong and wrong.
>On top of that, there's
>hard-science that's been telling us all along of what the physical
>surface and daytime environment of our moon is actually like.
Who is "us", Brad? The voices in your head?
>-
>
>BTW; I've noticed that as of lately I've become a little improved at my
>lose-cannon being on-target worthy of actually hitting more than my
>fair share of tender private parts associated with whatever the
>mainstream status quo holds dear. However, some of these incest cloned
>and extremely brown-nosed borg collectives of Usenet spooks, and
>specifically of this GOOGLE/NOVA/NASA disinformation cesspool of
>topic/author stalking species of brown-nosed rusemasters have been
>dipping into using a bit more than their fair share of their boss's
>spermware/malware (aka MI6/NSA~CIA PC fuckware) again, as per getting
>right back into their usual space-toilet mode of their perpetrating MOS
>nasty sorts of cold-war tricks. So, I guess that I'll just have to keep
>improving upon my custom hooks while doing my best at returning their
>own warm and fuzzy flak along with as much love and affection as I can
>muster.
Who changed the Brad Experiment from spermware to fuckware without
permission?
>-
>
>"If you're not looking for the truth, you will not find it."
>-Brad Guth
>
>"To believe with certainty we must begin with doubting."
>-Stanislaus I
>
>"The real voyage of discovery consists not in seeking new landscapes,
>but having new eyes."
>-Marcel Proust
>
>"Truth is given, not to be contemplated, but to be done. Life is an
>action, not a thought."
>-F.W. Robertson
>~
>
>Kurt Vonnegut would have to agree far beyond; WAR is WAR, thus "in war
>there are no rules" - In fact, war has been the very reason of honest
>folks having to deal with the likes of others that haven't been playing
>by whatever the supposed rules, such as our resident LLPOF warlord(GW
>Bush).
>Life upon Venus, a township w/Bridge & ET/UFO Park-n-Ride Tarmac:
>http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-town.htm
>The Russian/China LSE-CM/ISS (Lunar Space Elevator)
>http://guthvenus.tripod.com/lunar-space-elevator.htm
>Venus ETs, plus the updated sub-topics; Brad Guth / GASA-IEIS
>http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-topics.htm
>
--
Official Associate AFA-B Vote Rustler
Official Overseer of Kooks and Trolls in alt.astronomy
"The original human being was a female hermaphrodite with
both male and female genitalia."
"Human beings CAN NOT live in a solar system without a sun
with a ferrite core and a planet without a solid iron core."
"...the poles of Earth are tipped further away from the sun
now, because the use of EM weaponry caused the Earth's
mantle to shift."
Brad Guth
in the white-noise spectrum of alt.usenet.kooks and alt.fan.art-bell
(aka Art Deco) bigotry and heathen Third Reich propaganda. It's almost
as though there's a ghost of another lost soul that's trying to get
through to the real world.
Too bad this ghost still hasn't anything to share or put-up that'll
prove or otherwise demonstrate I'm wrong about our extremely salty and
once upon a time icy proto-moon, or even about what's most likely still
alive and kicking on Venus.
-
Brad Guth
Art Deco
>That's odd; - this topic seems to be receiving Usenet background static
>in the white-noise spectrum of alt.usenet.kooks and alt.fan.art-bell
>(aka Art Deco) bigotry and heathen Third Reich propaganda.
*ding* <tips sombrero>
>It's almost
>as though there's a ghost of another lost soul that's trying to get
>through to the real world.
>
>Too bad this ghost still hasn't anything to share or put-up that'll
>prove or otherwise demonstrate I'm wrong about our extremely salty and
>once upon a time icy proto-moon, or even about what's most likely still
>alive and kicking on Venus.
You still haven't provided any evidence to support your kookclaims that
I infected your computer with a virus or that I posted a lie to usenet,
Brad.
Brad Guth
to go right back into the GOOGLE/Usenet and Mailgate/Usenet cesspools of
their having been fornacating their CPU supercomputer brains out, as
though orchestrated by the Third Reich.
When the public views GOOGLE/Usenet or even Mailgate/Usenet, what sorts
of topics and/or replies they see or get to review of whatever they
perceive as being an open public blog of such ideas, news and views is
not at all what you or I might get to see. That's because these
supercomputer wizards of GOOGLE and Mailgate are simply a whole lot
smarter than we're giving them credit for.
You're heard of topic/author censorship and the likes of book burning,
will guess what folks, that's absolutely nothing compared to the likes
of Mailgate and to whatever the wizards of GOOGLE are not only capable
of but having been doing from the very get go.
Mailgate or GOOGLE can post specific pages to each and every individual
computer that's looking into whatever's Usenet, and that's because
they're a big nasty part of the ongoing ruse/sting of the century, as in
very much MI/NSA and otherwise Third Reich as you can possibly get.
If you want absolute proof of this, please call or stop by for my one on
one presentations.
If you want to learn more via this medium, I'll have to update a few of
my external pages in order to reflect upon the entire fiasco that has
each of us by our pirvate parts, and squeezing rather badly.
-
"If you're not looking for the truth, you will not find it."
-Brad Guth
"To believe with certainty we must begin with doubting."
-Stanislaus I
"The real voyage of discovery consists not in seeking new landscapes,
but having new eyes."
-Marcel Proust
"Truth is given, not to be contemplated, but to be done. Life is an
action, not a thought."
-F.W. Robertson
~
Kurt Vonnegut would have to agree far beyond the matter that WAR is WAR,
thus I'll offer the silly notion that "in war there are no rules" - In
fact, it seems war has been the very reason that honest folks are having
to deal with the likes of others that haven't been exactly playing by
whatever the supposed rules, such as our resident LLPOF warlord(GW
Bush).
Life upon Venus, a township w/Bridge & ET/UFO Park-n-Ride Tarmac:
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-town.htm
The Russian/China LSE-CM/ISS (Lunar Space Elevator)
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/lunar-space-elevator.htm
Venus ETs, plus the updated sub-topics; Brad Guth / GASA-IEIS
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-topics.htm
-
Brad Guth / 01-253-8576061
--
Posted via Mailgate.ORG Server - http://www.Mailgate.ORG
Dale
>If you want absolute proof of this, please call or stop by for my one on
>one presentations.
OK, but I hope you don't mind if I choose to use a condom.
What do you do for a living, Brad? Do your employers have
any inkling as to what a nut you are?? :)
Dale
Brad Guth
news:pus3l2pfdj1tfiqqm...@4ax.com
Silly boy,
I work for a living, and as such I take on my fair share of
responsibility for accomplishing such. I'm certainly a real nutcase
about having to stick with those pesky regular laws of physics, and of
appreciating replicated science that's doable outside of the MI/NSA~NASA
cloak and dagger mode of being so need-to-know and/or of the usual
taboo/nondisclosure status quo.
I'll simply have to repeat this next part becaus I'm always finding
those darn dyslexic encrypted words and weird syntax that even I can't
understand.
In Usenet land of mostly mainstream hocus-pocus denials and naysayism on
steroids that's too often hiding behind whatever can be shielded via
using their claim of anti-semite whateverism, I've discovered that you
may in fact contribute pretty much whatever you like, but unfortunately
no one else that matters gets to read it, especially if such folks are
using the insider moderated likes of Mailgate/Usenet and most certainly
from that of whatever's GOOGLE/Usenet cares to stream towards any given
end-user way, as simply 100% under that big old GOOGLE infomercial thumb
of their global information domination.
The golden Usenet question of the day; Is this Usenet broken?
Or, is Usenet simply skewed and summarily corrupted on behalf of
supporting their mainstream status quo, like most everything else that
has gotten past that pesky point of no return?
There's loads of ongoing censorship proof that's in the bag; whereas
this time around it's the sorts of proof-positive that's having to go
right back into the GOOGLE/Usenet and Mailgate/Usenet infomercial
cesspools of their having been fornacating their CPU supercomputer
brains out, as though orchestrated by the Third Reich.
When the public views the likes of GOOGLE/Usenet or even
Mailgate/Usenet, as to exactly what sorts of topics and/or replies they
see or get to review of whatever they perceive as being an open public
dialog of such old, new and weird ideas, of whatever's news worthy and
the views or interpretations by others is not at all what you or I might
get to see. That's because these supercomputer wizards of GOOGLE and
Mailgate Usenet servers are simply a whole lot smarter than we're giving
them credit for.
You've heard of topic/author censorship and the likes of book burning;
Will guess what folks, that's absolutely nothing compared to the likes
of Mailgate and to whatever those all-knowing wizards of GOOGLE/Usenet
are not only capable of but having been doing from their end-user
specific infomercial formulated and thus moderated/filtered media
streaming from very get go.
It seems that the internet afforded Usenet services of Mailgate or
GOOGLE can just as easily post or otherwise stream specific/custom pages
to each and every individual computer that's looking into whatever's
within a given Usenet group, and that's because they are very much a big
nasty part of the ongoing MI/NSA and highly religious ruse/sting of the
century, as in very much acting as though being MI/NSA cloak and dagger
plus otherwise about as Third Reich collaborating on behald of global
domination as you can possibly get.
If you want absolute proof of this, please do call or stop by for my one
on one presentations.
If you want to learn a bit more via this moderated to death internet
medium, in which case I'll have to update a few of my external pages in
order to reflect upon the entire fiasco that has each of us by our
pirvate parts, and squeezing rather badly.
-
"If you're not looking for the truth, you will not find it."
-Brad Guth
"To believe with certainty we must begin with doubting."
-Stanislaus I
"The real voyage of discovery consists not in seeking new landscapes,
but having new eyes."
-Marcel Proust
"Truth is given, not to be contemplated, but to be done. Life is an
action, not a thought."
-F.W. Robertson
~
Kurt Vonnegut would have to agree far beyond the matter that 'WAR is
WAR', thus I'll continue to offer my silly notion that "in war there are