What's actually HOT and NASTY about Venus?
Brad Guth
because it's surface and whatever else that's situated below an
altitude of 25~35 km remains reasonably dry, as such it's actually not
all that nasty.
Upon Earth;http://www.valleywater.net/hydration.htm
1500 ml/day excretion by kidneys in the form of urine
500 ml/day evaporation and perspiration from the skin
300 ml/day from the lungs
200 ml/day from the gastrointestinal tract
Human metabolic perspiration (internal as well as external excretions)
represents a wee bit of a testy if not terribly corrosive problem at
2500 ml/day, whereas everything that's fluid effectively leaks out,
boils off and/or evaporates at reduced ambient pressure, and just the
opposite for having to survive within a greater ambient pressure,
though please do try to remember that I'm not the village idiot that's
even remotely suggesting we should be going there in person. However,
under nearly 100 bar of pressure that'll have essentially equalized
throughout our body and thus affecting every organ and molecule
involved isn't all that likely to sweat nearly as much, if at all.
Thereby even CO2 as a replacement for N2 isn't nearly as lethal as we'd
thought, or from having been told by all of our NASA certified wizards.
In fact, the acclamation to that sort of environment might even become
humanly doable, within as little as 0.1% O2 and the bulk of the
remainder as CO2 or perhaps artificially accommodated by a gas of some
other element that's quite likely already within the technology that's
at hand.
There's certainly no shortage of green/renewable energy at one's
disposal, thus no amount of raw energy need be imported. There's
certainly no shortage of H2O that's sequestered within them relatively
cool clouds (especially those of their nighttime season).
I have a good number of other qualifiers plus my humanly subjective
interpretations of an image (nearly 3D at 36 looks per 8-bit pixel)
closeup look-see at what can be reviewed as every bit as most likely
artificial, as otherwise nicely surrounded by whatever else is
supposedly so freaking hot and nasty about Venus (whereas hot being
almost entirely in reference to geological/geothermal heat since so
little solar energy ever migrates into the surface). Of course, this
information as having been deductively obtained from my
observationology perspective is now nearly 6 years old, whereas I'd
informed our NASA as to sharing my SWAG (scientific wild ass guess)
upon a few specific items of interest, as having been so nicely imaged
by way of their Magellan mission, as to my sharing upon exactly what
was worth taking a second unbiased review upon whatever Venus has to
offer. Silly me for thinking outside the box, much less upon anything
the least bit positive or in my expecting something other of productive
considerations as would have come by way of our nay-say (nondisclosure)
folks at NASA, that which apparently still had a good cash of way more
than their fair share of "the right stuff", rather than having to risk
dealing with anything as having to do with our moon nor Venus
regardless of whatever science and discovery potential may have been
previously overlooked or simply underestimated, thus unappreciated.
BTW; I've included "news.admin.censorship" in order to minimise
topic/author stalking, topic diversions into unrelated forums and MOS
spermware attacks upon my PC. The previous topic of "What's so HOT and
NASTY about Venus?"
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.space.history/browse_frm/thread/7a7cab487beb942d/a7f016c63e03207b?lnk=st&q=brad+guth&rnum=8&hl=en#a7f016c63e03207b
offers good info at least from myself but, otherwise having been quite
thoroughly hammered by those encharge of keeping our perpetrated
cold-war(s) and space-race lids on tight, thus giving need for a fresh
topic reset.
~
Life on Venus, Township w/Bridge and ET/UFO Park-n-Ride Tarmac:
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-town.htm
The Russian/China LSE-CM/ISS (Lunar Space Elevator)
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/lunar-space-elevator.htm
Venus ETs, plus the updated sub-topics; Brad Guth / GASA-IEIS
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-topics.htm
"In war there are no rules" - Brad Guth
Art Deco
>Simply stated; Venus is not insurmountably hot, and furthermore,
>because it's surface and whatever else that's situated below an
>altitude of 25~35 km remains reasonably dry, as such it's actually not
>all that nasty.
Wrong, pseudoscientist.
A perfect admission of your cluelessness.
>The previous topic of "What's so HOT and
>NASTY about Venus?"
>http://groups.google.com/group/sci.space.history/browse_frm/thread/7a7cab487beb
>942d/a7f016c63e03207b?lnk=st&q=brad+guth&rnum=8&hl=en#a7f016c63e03207b
>offers good info at least from myself but, otherwise having been quite
>thoroughly hammered by those encharge of keeping our perpetrated
>cold-war(s) and space-race lids on tight, thus giving need for a fresh
>topic reset.
>~
>
>Life on Venus, Township w/Bridge and ET/UFO Park-n-Ride Tarmac:
>http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-town.htm
>The Russian/China LSE-CM/ISS (Lunar Space Elevator)
>http://guthvenus.tripod.com/lunar-space-elevator.htm
>Venus ETs, plus the updated sub-topics; Brad Guth / GASA-IEIS
>http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-topics.htm
>"In war there are no rules" - Brad Guth
>
[on-topic froups added]
--
Official Associate AFA-B Vote Rustler
"The original human being was a female hermaphrodite with
both male and female genitalia."
"Human beings CAN NOT live in a solar system without a sun
with a ferrite core and a planet without a solid iron core."
-- Alexa Cameron, Kook of the Year 2004
Brad Guth
Thanks ever so much for all of your usual MOS status quo contributions
worth of whatever you obviously perceive as being of value.
Since the more viable alternative of Venus hosting significant other
life that's entirely excluded from within your good book remains as
still so entirely nondisclosure/taboo, as well as within the mindset of
most other incest cloned borg individuals that can't think outside of
their cloak and dagger and perpetrated cold-war mainstream box, in that
case here's a little more nifty tit-for-tat
gibberish/word-salad/word-games worth of info about icy proto-moons, as
for their once upon a time hosting a rather nice verity of DNA/RNA
seeds of life as I believe having been intelligently designed on our
behalf, rather than by way of your Godly happenstance via some cosmic
BIG-BANG crapshoot as you've insisted. Pretell as to how otherwise
would ETs have managed such interstellar transports of sufficient ice
and life within for the task of terraforming other worlds?
>"The original human being was a female hermaphrodite with both male and female genitalia."
I actually do not disagree with this notion, however for the following;
>"Human beings CAN NOT live in a solar system without a sun
>with a ferrite core and a planet without a solid iron core."
I take slight exception as to what sufficiently advanced ETs couldn't
manage with some degree of applied technology and/or via
evolution/adaptations in order to suit the given situation at hand.
Anyway, it's fairly obvious that the planet Venus offers some degree of
an iron core, and certainly accommodates a more than sufficiently
protective atmosphere.
As for considering upon something of such slight gravity of attraction
as our moon, it seems that our moon has clearly been hosting an
assortment of somewhat unusually large craters, many of which measure
greater than 1000 km, with one extremely massive 2100 km to the outer
most secondary rim and by some 12+km depth of an impression as situated
near the South Pole Aitken Basin that's primarily on the farside of the
moon, is actually offering an extremely shallow impact zone ratio of
175:1. It's almost as though two icy orbs had merged in such a velocity
that their mutual coverings of ice had managed to take up the vast
amounts of kinetic energy before either bedrock could have been
involved. That analogy goes for a fair number of other large craters
having established relatively slight depressions as per their crater
diameter. Though many other significant craters are of 200 km, yet even
of many craters of under 100 km diameter are frequently quite shallow
by comparison to the more recent and thereby usually of smaller
diameter craters, whereas many of these are of a 6:1 diameter/depth
ratio and some of the most recent remain about as deep as they are
wide.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_craters_on_the_Moon,_L-N
Crater Newton is only 8.85 km deep but otherwise 78 km in diameter,
roughly 8.8:1 is certainly a moderately shallow crater of what a low
density (icy comet) impact would have represented. However, many of the
smaller Moltke like craters of roughly 5:1 seem to suggest less if any
involvement of ice, while the likes of little Osiris at 1 km is
supposedly 1.2 km deep was most likely of a primarily solid iron if not
involving a bit greater density, having most certainly impacted at a
time when our moon offered little if any protective covering of ice.
If an icy proto-moon were to be impacted by yet another icy proto-moon
or by some other such orb as Sedna offering perhaps 1800 km worth of an
icy diameter, chances are the bedrock core of our once icy moon would
have been given one nasty smooch worth of a somewhat shallow dimension
though otherwise of a fairly large diameter lasting impression. Of
course, the same might be said of the notion as to such an icy
proto-moon of 4000 km bouncing itself off of an atmospherically
surrounded planet as Earth as having perhaps 10 bar to work with, and
thus just as easily having created the largest of impressions upon the
moon that should have deposited a few teratonnes of DNA/RNA infected
proto-moon ice in the process:
http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap960906.html
Using a graphics or CAD program, draw out the moon as having a 262 km
covering of ice, then Sedna with perhaps 180 km if not 270 km worth of
ice, then Earth with a possible 10 bar worth of it's early atmospheric
cushion as reaching out to perhaps 200 km and, then merge these items
into touching one another, as in hard surface to hard surface at
perhaps the 12 km depth, taking a look-see at what the merging layers
of ice or that of ice and atmosphere would have produced in the way of
a lunar crater.
http://www.amnh.org/exhibitions/permanent/meteorites/impacts/moon.php
"When an object the size of a sand grain or even smaller hurtles
through space and into Earth's atmosphere, friction heats it to more
than 1,650°C (3,000°F) and it vaporizes in a flash of light. But the
Moon has essentially no atmosphere to protect it from incoming objects.
So even a microscopic speck of dust, or micrometeoroid, and forms a
tiny crater."
"The Moon's surface is covered with microcraters smaller than a human
red blood cell. The steady pelting of the Moon helps pulverize the
fine-grained layer of powder that covers the Moon's surface. This
"tilling" of the lunar soil proceeds so slowly that the footprints of
the Apollo astronauts will last for at least a million years."
This "moon.php" file should also have at least suggested as to what has
been capable of being collected upon our moon as compared to what
otherwise having been atmospherically diverted or otherwise prevented
from becoming collected upon Earth. Thus my conservative SWAG of 0.1
mm/year should not be so easily contested since we still have nothing
sharing interactive scientific data from the surface of our moon, only
terrestrial and satellite radar data concluding the meters deep
moon-dust is in fact the case.
BTW; the moon obviously offers a good amount of sufficiently vertical
grades of exposed bedrock, or at least as having been vertically impact
formed and/or via displaced basalt, as per such hard and steep incline
surfaces accommodating much less than meters thick dust to contend
with. At least I can see those sorts of extensively rock like lunar
surfaces from my backyard, and better as seen from those absolutely
terrific Apollo orbit obtained images.
http://www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/apollo/catalog/70mm/
BTW No.2; there's been no technically qualified reason(s) as to why the
relatively small and thus minimal drag coefficient SMART-1 mission
(roughly a tenth that of the Apollo craft) can't obtain and sustain
itself within an elliptical semi/polar orbit of reaching down to less
than 50 km, that is unless the mostly argon atmosphere of the moon is
considerably more extensive than we've been mislead into believing,
that plus considering the length of mission having to take into account
the physics matter of secondary/recoil radiation exceeding the safety
limits of the PV cells and of other internal scientific components.
http://library.thinkquest.org/CR0215468/our_moon.htm
Big Red: "During a lunar eclipse the moon grows dim and has a dark
orangey red color. This is known as ''The Big Red." This happens
because the Sun's light passes through the Earth's atmosphere, which
bends the light separating it into all the colors of the rainbow. Red
is the only color to reach the moon. The red light bounces off the
moon, making the moon appear red."
That plus the matter of hard-science and Kodak physics fact that the
natural color of the dark lunar surface is actually a rather deep
golden reddish brown of a composite color that's nearly coal dark in
places due to the raw deposits of solar carbon, iron and titanium as
having blended in with the naturally dark (nearly coal like) nature of
lunar basalt.
Apparently public schools and most other forms of our supposedly high
standards and accountability types of NASA certified education are not
allowed to review upon those Kodak and other qualified color images of
our moon as even having been accomplished by our Apollo orbits of the
moon, especially of those having something of artificial nature and/or
of mother Earth within the same frame:
http://www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/apollo/catalog/70mm/
~
Life on Venus, a Township, Bridge and ET/UFO Park-n-Ride Tarmac:
Art Deco
>Dear wizard Art Deco,
>Thanks ever so much for all of your usual MOS status quo contributions
>worth of whatever you obviously perceive as being of value.
>
>Since the more viable alternative of Venus hosting significant other
>life that's entirely excluded from within your good book remains as
Shut up, guth, until you have some evidence for your delusions.
--
Official Associate AFA-B Vote Rustler
"The original human being was a female hermaphrodite with
both male and female genitalia."
"Human beings CAN NOT live in a solar system without a sun
with a ferrite core and a planet without a solid iron core."
-- Alexa Cameron, Kook of the Year 2004
Brad Guth
Apparently I'm just like another black hole to the likes of "Art Deco",
whereas I just keep sucking these incest cloned perverts into my web.
Unfortunately, it seems that my event-horizon has gotten itself so much
larger with each of Art Deco's contributions. Keep them pro-mainstream
zingers of intellectual flatulence tidbits coming Art. If nothing else
I'll light another match for the salvation of humanity.
So, I understand that you'd like some evidence. Without getting
involved with the total lack of any WMD evidence, or the conditional
physics of TWA flight-800 that really sucks, why not start off with
whatever else is sufficiently close to Earth;
Since Venus is usually better than 105 times as far away, thus a little
further tit-for-tat as to whatever lunar rangefinding that even by way
of honest physics seems to scientifically suck if you're actually
trying for any of those RR photons seems worth our attention.
http://physics.ucsd.edu/~tmurphy/apollo/basics.html
"One arcsecond is 1/3600th of a degree, or the angular size of a
quarter about five kilometers (about 3 miles) away. At the distance of
the moon, this angle translates to 1.8 kilometers (just over a mile).
Though this is large compared to the size of the reflector (most of the
light is wasted-never hitting the reflector), it is still a challenge
to point and maintain the laser beam on this tiny patch of the moon."
One arcsecond is worth 1/3600th of a degree = .277 milliradian. In
otherwords using a laser cannon that's exiting a beam away from the
distorting atmosphere of Earth at +/-0.1385 milliradian.
"Rest assured that 2.3 watts of laser power spread over a 2 kilometer
patch on the moon is nothing compared to the sun's 1380 watts per
square meter."
This works out to 0.732e-6 joule/m2 worth of arriving laser pulse. Is
this a joke or what?
Even a full MW pulse would represent merely 0.318 joule/m2 as per
arriving that's going to have to get further diverged by a good 8:1 as
for whatever the 99% efficient (gold coated) retroreflector of 0.45 m2
might have to work with those 10 x 10 items worth of 38 mm diameter
corner-cube prisms.
http://physics.ucsd.edu/~tmurphy/apollo/lrrr.html
Even the Apollo-15 version of accommodating 300 such corner-cube prisms
isn't exactly all that much better off at 1.2 m2 unless the diameter of
the extremely powerful targeting laser bullet can get itself down to
perhaps a few hundred meters. A 0.05 milliradian divergence if having
been undistorted by Earth's atmosphere and of little jitter can
represent perhaps a 680 some odd meter diameter of a target zone that's
worth 363,168 m2, thus roughly 360e3:1 worth of available IR reflective
albedo as opposed to whatever the 300 corner-cube array of prisms can
muster is still asking for something that can't be positively
identified from those of raw basalt and moon-dust reflected photons.
Too gosh darn bad those retroreflectors weren't band-pass coated so
that near-UV or even near-blue photons couldn't have been utilized,
whereas those returning photons would have stood out like a sore thumb.
Unfortunately, as for Venus there's simply too many tidbits worth of
hard-science and the regular laws of physics backing up my
observationology. Even some of my other SWAG isn't too far off the
mark. How about yourself?
BTW; are you still inside of that Jewish only box, or is it actually a
Jewish space-toilet that you're stuck within?
Brad Guth
contributed by wizard "f/fgeorge" that should equally apply to
yourself.
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.astro.seti/browse_frm/thread/5d5dd4ec128536f3/48bba66c3bc811d5?lnk=st&q=brad+guth&rnum=1&hl=en#48bba66c3bc811d5
f/fgeorge;
>Why are worried about cloud scatter?
What "cloud scatter"? What worried?
>You missed the part about sending up 300 quadrillion (photons) with
>each and every laser pulse.
No I didn't. Are you still stuck within that space-toilet?
>Don't care about the Russians, they do what they do.
That's right. Keep up with the evidence exclusions until them Apollo
cows come home.
>I believe that the President thought that there were WMD's. I also
>believe that the Intelligence system was not up to snuff. Too much was
>placed on unverifiable peoples statements.
Obviously you'll believe anything your mainstream status quo has to
say, especially if it's necessary in order to protect your collective
LLPOF butts.
As per IR albedo; "Been there, done that" is yet another of your LLPOF
statements because, you've accomplished and thus haven't contributed
any such thing.
BTW; Just the thick and extremely polluted and thus not so clear
atmosphere is enough to cause an optical distortion of most any beam,
not to mention upon whatever originating and/or retroreflector jitters,
as per imposing a to/from IR signal degrade of at the very least 20%
unless you're talking about using the Boeing/TRW ABL cannon of 100 MW
and 0.5 milliradian from 40,000' off the deck. Thus a terrestrial
to/from laser rangefinding effort might be wise to appreciate a 33%
signal degrade for just the earthly atmospheric impact, which might
just as easily be compensated by way of simply utilizing more initial
energy, or somewhat less initial divergence.
Even assuming a perfect 2 km worth of a target illuminated diameter
isn't going to be sufficient. At perhaps 200 meters diameter and we're
starting to get real.
Of course you're calling Kodak physics nothing but liars because of
that form of physics truth can't coexist along with your grand
perpetrated cold-war and of the NASA/Apollo ruse/sting of the century.
What's the matter, haven't you killed off your fair share of Muslims or
the likes of Jesus Christ today?
GOT CROSS?
>You missed the show on Discovery last week that debunked all of those
>things! You REALLY need to get a hold of the same kind of camera the
>astronauts used, the show did, and use the same kind of film, the show
>did, and take pictures with it, again the show did.
>The pictures came out very similar to ones the astronauts took and
>even had the non parallel lines in it. I think you are using todays
>standards to try and explain how yesterdays technology was flawed. You
>are forgetting why we no longer use cameras like that, why we no
>longer do lots of things that we used to do. We have new and improved
>ways of doing and looking at and even photographing things that some
>of which were never even thought of back then.
>The World is NOT one big conspiracy theory!
>It IS full of them, but not EVERYTHING is a conspiracy!
BTFW; hardly anything outside of government and religion is of any
conspiracy. Real honest to God fearing hard working folks simply don't
have the time nor take pleasure and relish within the notions of
perpetrating conspiracies at the demise of humanity, though obviously
you do.
You just keep disregarding Kodak physics and without remorse killing
off humanity, allowing 30,000+ innocent humans (mostly children) as to
needlessly die each and every day while hundreds of millions of others
(at least 10% of Earth's population) somehow manage to live their short
and miserable lives within sub-human conditions. This will certainly go
right along with your global pollution agenda plus anti-ET and thus
anti-God paganism that sucks and blows.
Art Deco
>To tell the truth. Fraid not!
>Apparently I'm just like another black hole to the likes of "Art Deco",
>whereas I just keep sucking these incest cloned perverts into my web.
>Unfortunately, it seems that my event-horizon has gotten itself so much
>larger with each of Art Deco's contributions. Keep them pro-mainstream
>zingers of intellectual flatulence tidbits coming Art. If nothing else
>I'll light another match for the salvation of humanity.
I'm glad that you are still obsessed with me, guth.
>
>So, I understand that you'd like some evidence. Without getting
>involved with the total lack of any WMD evidence, or the conditional
>physics of TWA flight-800 that really sucks, why not start off with
>whatever else is sufficiently close to Earth;
Non sequitur; the subject, that you just backpedalled away from, are
your claims about life on Venus.
Starlight-Starbright
I didn't think you could get life on a scorcher like Venus. Unless you
can speak Venusian, me deer???
:::::-)
S-S
Brad Guth
>I didn't think you could get life on a scorcher like Venus. Unless you
>can speak Venusian, me deer???
geologically much hotter and thus nastier from the very get go. Say
perhaps a billion or so years newer than Earth.
However, it's seems that Venus has been going through a somewhat
reentry trauma of cooling itself down, and obviously via crater
physics-101 is proof-positive that Venus didn't always have that much
of an atmosphere to work with.
Though at least as of recently and by the technical standpoint of
having to make do, it's entirely possible as for ETs that are not so
easily snookered to be calling Venus their home.
What sorts of technology as derived from Earth couldn't be adapted for
Venus?
How much do you sweat (inside and out) at 100 bar?
What about life upon Earth that doesn't seem to excrete/sweat much of
anything at 1 bar, what would those forms of mostly exoskeletal or
shell sequestered forms of life manage to survive at 100 bar?
BTW; did you realize that each time we get ourselves within 105 fold
the distance of our moon, that we're essentially having our look-see at
the very same nighttime seasonal face of Venus?
Isn't that sort of rotational phase-lock somewhat extremely
interesting, if not nearly impossible, as though having been
intelligently engineered?
Brad Guth
>Non sequitur; the subject, that you just backpedalled away from, are
>your claims about life on Venus.
until them Apollo cows come home, or seeing if the troops and minions
start behaving like humans, which obviously leaves yourself out of that
loop.
The fact that my form of black hole is sucking the likes of yourself
ever deeper into my event horizon isn't so surprising since there's so
much at stake.
With regard to other life upon Venus, it's seems that Venus has been
going through a somewhat reentry trauma form of cooling itself down,
and obviously via crater physics-101 is offering proof-positive that
Venus didn't always have that much of an atmosphere to work with.
Though at least as of recently and by the technical standpoint of ETs
or whomever's locals as having to make do, it's entirely possible as
for such ETs that are not so easily snookered to be calling Venus their
home.
What sorts of applied technology as derived from Earth couldn't be
adapted for Venus?
How much do you sweat (inside and out) at 100 bar?
What about life upon Earth that doesn't seem to excrete/sweat much of
anything at 1 bar, what would those forms of mostly exoskeletal or
shell sequestered forms of life manage to survive at 100 bar?
BTW; did you realize that each time we get ourselves within the NEO
range of 105 fold the distance of our moon, that we're essentially
having our look-see at the very same nighttime seasonal face of Venus?
Isn't that sort of rotational phase-lock somewhat extremely
interesting, if not nearly impossible, as though having been
intelligently engineered, if not imposed by God?
Although yourself and other could be right about Venus being simply too
damn hot and nasty, that is if in fact Venus were always as hot if not
geologically much hotter and thus nastier from the very get go, thus an
even thicker atmosphere (which still doesn't explain away as to how
those craters came to past, or as to all of those rather artificial
looking and rational like community placement of structures). What say
perhaps Venus is geologically a billion or so years newer than Earth?
~
Life on Venus, Township w/Bridge and ET/UFO Park-n-Ride Tarmac:
Fred Tehbot
pizza; only sleeps with other men", grated:
> Art Deco; Not really because, I'm just giving my lose cannon another
> good workout until them Apollo cows come home, or seeing if the troops and
> minions start behaving like humans, which obviously leaves yourself out of
> that loop.
If I'm dead, put it on my tombstone.
> The fact that my form of black hole is sucking the likes of yourself
> ever deeper into my event horizon isn't so surprising since there's so
> much at stake.
It's happened before.
> With regard to other life upon Venus, it's seems that Venus has been
> going through a somewhat reentry trauma form of cooling itself down, and
> obviously via crater physics-101 is offering proof-positive that Venus
> didn't always have that much of an atmosphere to work with.
Me too! Why, it was only yesterday that I had that much of an atmosphere to
work with.
> Though at least as of recently and by the technical standpoint of ETs or
> whomever's locals as having to make do, it's entirely possible as for such
> ETs that are not so easily snookered to be calling Venus their home.
It's proof I'm not looking for approval.
> What sorts of applied technology as derived from Earth couldn't be
> adapted for Venus?
What was I going to say?
> How much do you sweat (inside and out) at 100 bar?
WARNING: Consumption of alcohol may create the illusion that you are
tougher, handsomer, and smarter than some really, really huge biker guy
named "Big Bubba".
> What about life upon Earth that doesn't seem to excrete/sweat much of
> anything at 1 bar, what would those forms of mostly exoskeletal or shell
> sequestered forms of life manage to survive at 100 bar?
Do you still get strong or overpowering desires to take alcohol?
> BTW; did you realize that each time we get ourselves within the NEO
> range of 105 fold the distance of our moon, that we're essentially having
> our look-see at the very same nighttime seasonal face of Venus?
Did a priest get you when you were seven?
> Isn't that sort of rotational phase-lock somewhat extremely interesting,
> if not nearly impossible, as though having been intelligently engineered,
> if not imposed by God?
I'm so bored, I could almost find that intersting too.
> Although yourself and other could be right about Venus being simply too
> damn hot and nasty, that is if in fact Venus were always as hot if not
> geologically much hotter and thus nastier from the very get go, thus an
> even thicker atmosphere (which still doesn't explain away as to how those
> craters came to past, or as to all of those rather artificial looking and
> rational like community placement of structures)
How long ago?
> What say perhaps Venus is geologically a billion or so years newer than
> Earth?
Maybe I'm the exception.
> ~ http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-town.htm The Russian/China
> LSE-CM/ISS (Lunar Space Elevator)
> http://guthvenus.tripod.com/lunar-space-elevator.htm Venus
> ETs, plus the updated sub-topics; Brad Guth / GASA-IEIS
> http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-topics.htm "In war there are no
> rules" - Brad Guth.
No.
Brad Guth
>It's happened before.
>Me too! Why, it was only yesterday that I had that much of an atmosphere to
>work with.
>tougher, handsomer, and smarter than some really, really huge biker guy
>named "Big Bubba".
Since December 2000 as far as to when I became aware of such items that
had been looking most likely as artificial.
>Maybe I'm the exception.
What an interesting contribution of whatever it is that your mainstream
status quo has to offer. Word games and otherwise encrypted messages,
by which I'll gladly return the favor.
~
Life on Venus, Township w/Bridge and ET/UFO Park-n-Ride Tarmac:
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-town.htm
The Russian/China LSE-CM/ISS (Lunar Space Elevator)
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/lunar-space-elevator.htm
Venus ETs, plus the updated sub-topics; Brad Guth / GASA-IEIS
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-topics.htm
War is war, thus "In war there are no rules" - In fact, war is the very
reason of having to deal with the likes of others that haven't been
playing by whatever rules, such as GW Bush.
Scott Hedrick
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Trim your quotes!
Brad Guth
Since many types of fluids such as blood isn't going to boil so easily
while being sequestered at 100 bar, and perhaps even common
sweat/excretions are not going to be nearly as freely flowing as you'd
think, thus the biological metabolism of whatever life upon Venus
certainly shouldn't be what you'd think. I'm not disregarding the hot
and nasty aspects, just giving a little fair and balanced thought as to
what's surmountable as opposed to what isn't.
Once cells are brought into an equalized pressure (meaning inside and
out), of what 100 bar represents as 1450.4 psi is likely going to alter
the way these cells function. The pressure itself isn't all that much
of a factor compared to the anti-science and thus anti-truth mindset of
those that continually claim as to know all there is, yet somehow can't
become the least bit bothered as to contribute their vast wisdom nor
whatever expertise as to the types of life that would be capable of
having survived upon Venus, or that of any other planet or moon that's
potentially capable of hosting ETI. Of course, even diatoms represent
ETI survival and adaptation potential, and certainly a whole lot more
invaluable as to sustaining a carbon based environment in an entirely
positive way, as opposed to humanity that's been nothing but
environmentally damaging and otherwise a horrific drain upon the
natural and geological based energy and even food resources that we're
currently running ourselves out of.
Pretty soon (within another mere geological drop in the evolutionary
bucket of time) we'll not have the required energy resources to even
kill off one another. Then what the heck will we do for our national
pastime sport of bigotry, greed and arrogance?
The overwhelming degree of intellectual as well as biological incest
cloned bigotry, as to being found within USENET and of their
extensively Jewish controlled global media, textbook and biblical
cultism, along with their willingness to point out those in need of a
good cross, as they proceed to brown-nose their way along a terribly
skewed path of disinformation and denials, along with imposing whatever
social/political/religious conditional laws of physics and evidence
exclusions is further proof-positive that I've uncovered the absolute
motherload of what's potentially still surviving and/or of visiting ETs
as having been making usage of whatever Venus has to offer. None of the
hard-science or of applied physics that I've taken into consideration
is in of itself in any way newer than or different than what was
available as of 6 years ago, or even as of 36 years ago with respect to
our moon, Mars and especially of nearby Venus as having been updated by
the Magellan mission was simply good icing upon the existing cake, with
the Russian/ESA Venus EXPRESS mission to apply some of the essential
detail trimmings to that cake icing, whereas the radar image that I'm
taking the most observationology interpretation from has 36 looks per
each and every 225 meter pixel, and of 8 bits per each and every one of
those 36 looks is essentially 288:1 worth of sufficient observational
pixel truth to behold about what's natural as well as per hat looks
entirely artificial, yet the mainstream status quo that has far
superior NIMA.MIL PhotoShop capability isn't buying into any of it.
Human life under such pressure isn't exactly a comforting thought;
1.0 bar = 760 torr = 101,325 Pascals = 14.504 psi
68 bar = 51,680 torr = 5.89e6 Pascals = 986.272 psi
We've had a human capable environment/habitat cell of 68+bar, which
isn't quite Venus. However, their "hypo-hyperbaric bio incubator"
offers 140 bar goes a bit over the top.
http://www.comex.fr/suite/ceh/bio/HTP%20140.pdf
"The current tests being carried out on hydrogen as an agent to reduce
oxygen free radicals is opening up pathways for new therapeutic
methods."
Clearly the COMEX group has offered well documented scientific findings
as to what a 68+bar environment has to offer, as applied to everything
from microbes and bugs to us humans.
http://www.comex.fr/suite/pres/accueil%20anglais.html
http://www.comex.fr/suite/ceh/moyens/moyens%20anglais.html
Hyperbaric Experimental Centre
http://www.comex.fr/suite/ceh/bio/bio%20anglais.html
Capable of sustaining a small group of individuals or whatever great
numbers of petri dish samples at better than 68 bar, of which isn't
quite Venus but, is certainly offering a real life experience and
hard-science expertise as to what's doable at 1% O2 and 99% H2.
Basically, myself and/or anyone other shouldn't have been having to
accomplish this degree of secondary fact-finding and/or correlation of
what else has been most easily available to the scientific community as
a whole, as well as on a need-to-know or via exploritory hide-and-seek
basis on behalf of excluding us village idiots that are not nearly as
mindset bigoted, nor as borg like arrogant and thus having been
relatively open minded about our past, present and future, whereas the
required physics and even of what's biologically possible and/or
obtainable within reasonable evolution or via natural or artificial
adaptation per a given environment has been sufficiently established
for many years if not decades. However, the ongoing hype and
dog-wagging forms of mainstream damage-control and of folks otherwise
certified as wizards in their field of expertise having been avoiding
any direct involvements with our moon or Venus, other than using their
cloak and dagger talents and mainstream resources in order to be
excluding upon whatever evidence comes along which they can't otherwise
foil, thus taking whatever unlimited resources as per topic/author
stalking, bashings and/or imposing banishment upon, and by their
otherwise tossing out as much mainstream hype as MOS flak and of
utilizing if not creating as many of those spendy infomercials as
possible, thereby having quite nicely demonstrated their intent upon
taking such actions for causing as much intellectual as well as
scientific book-burning damage as possible, is unfortunately only
further delaying this over-looked discovery of what's most likely ETI
artificial about Venus, which certainly isn't right by any reasonable
much less morally and hopefully still Godly enough high standards and
accountability that I know of.
Obviously my humanly subjective and otherwise deductive reasoning
format of interpretations as to the truth and nothing but the truth
remains as limited to the honest eyes and ears of the few and far
between beholders, and otherwise not exactly in the best interest of
sustaining the brown-nosed status quo that'll obviously go to any
length and as far as need be outside any set of rules as to block or
destroy whatever threatens to rock their precious boats of public
confidence and tax-avoidance endowments, along with nifty job-security
plus retirement benefits to boot.
BTW; the incest cloned spooks and moles worth of MI6/NSA borgs have
been quit busy fornacating like there's no tomorrow, sharing a bit more
of their nifty browser spermware into my PC again. Thus from time to
time I'll have to reboot in order to purge such malware crapolla that's
been clearly focused upon getting into my PC. Therefore, MI6/NSA (aka
NASA) as usual has been sucking and blowing at the same time, while
accommodating all they can muster as to keeping the honest media
focused away from our moon and that of Venus for nearly the past six
years.
~
Life on Venus, Township w/Bridge and ET/UFO Park-n-Ride Tarmac:
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-town.htm
The Russian/China LSE-CM/ISS (Lunar Space Elevator)
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/lunar-space-elevator.htm
Venus ETs, plus the updated sub-topics; Brad Guth / GASA-IEIS
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-topics.htm
War is war, as in winner takes whatever; "In war there are no rules" -
Brad Guth
Art Deco
>It seems that blood does't boil so easily on Venus.
Have you tested this theory personally, guth?
[kookdrool flushed]
>The overwhelming degree of intellectual as well as biological incest
>cloned bigotry, as to being found within USENET and of their
>extensively Jewish controlled global media, textbook and biblical
>cultism, along with their willingness to point out those in need of a
>good cross, as they proceed to brown-nose their way along a terribly
More racist spew.
[more kookdrool flushed]
[kooklinks flushed]
Brad Guth
benefit of the doubt since pressure isn't an absolute biological
limitation upon ET or ETI factors. In fact, more so than not, a good
density of atmosphere along with pressure can be a good thing for
living cells, not to mention rigid airship usage. Unfortunately, even
though the physics and hard-science that is as old if not older than
most of us has been ignoring what's possible, and having science
journals and textbooks plus NOVA infomercials having been informing us
as to how hot and nasty Venus is (artificially colored reddish to boot)
isn't exactly helping to penetrate the perpetrated mindset firewall
that's become nearly of DNA/RNA status, meaning incest cloned into our
borg like brain so that we auto-reject whatever else comes along.
Pulling a vacuum within an atmospheric environment that's roughly 10%
the density of water is one surefire and not so difficult method of
getting something to boil, or as for the process of distilling whatever
out of the contents of those relatively cool nighttime clouds seems to
offer access to an amount of H2O that's nearly unlimited, that which
can then be easily converted into H2O2 for safe keeping (if need be,
H2O2 can be converted into a pure 100%/solid form of product that's a
relatively harmless power, especially within such an O2 and H2O starved
surface environment, much like all of the harmless sulphur crystals, as
even the likes of CO2 becomes least aggressive without H2O). So,
where's the insurmountable problem?
Of course, once you've managed to create H2O2, then all sorts of
interesting and nifty things become even a bit more easily surmounted,
and that's in spite of having to fend off the geothermally induced heat
of your environment that's for the most part bone dry and only getting
ever so slightly contributed with the influx of solar energy, whereas
much of what's solar having been reflected and of what's arriving below
them thick clouds having been extensively filtered as to band-pass as a
good amount of 375~475 nm, allowing a small portion of what's green,
hardly any amount of the red spectrum and, with less than 0.5% of the
2650 w/m2 as being of solar IR that reaches the surface, whereas 0.4%
as IR might be typical surface influx of 11 j/m2 and, obviously that's
only contributed upon the daytime season, leaving the nighttime season
as somewhat solar IR deficient, though not entirely dark to the eye of
a nocturnal. Is that good news or what, that is unless you're getting
yourself situated right over a volcano, that of an S8 gas vent as
suggested by John Ackerman or that of landing yourself upon some
horrifically hot and nasty mud flow is never a good idea on any planet.
Being that local energy is NOT in short supply (Earth should be so
lucky), thus processing the likes of local basalt and silica into nifty
fibers, plus as many m3 worth of micro-balloons as you'd like is
another good thing about being situated where it's supposedly hot and
nasty, whereas the less O2 and certainly having damn little if any free
H2O insures the better quality of fibers and micro-balloons, thereby
accomplishing such high grades of structural composite items, as well
as insulation and of accomplishing most other ceramics should NOT be
all that difficult, at least no more so than processing metallic ores.
A little extra heat extraction or diversion from any number of local
volcanos, hot mud flows or by way of setting up a vertical wind
generating tube/tunnel/venturi as having a radial turbine at the top
that's driving whatever generator that can be configured as to deliver
KJ, MJ or even GJ worth of green/renewable energy, and I do believe the
10K/km and 4+bar/km is pretty much available day or night, which isn't
in any way related to nor limited by whatever horizontal winds that
were reported as generally next to nothing near the surface.
At least upon Earth is where Electro-mechanically there's been no
shortage of sufficient technology that has been rated for surviving
811k (1000°F) ambient conditions, thus even for certified as
dumbfounded ETs as us humans isn't entirely outside the box. Although,
the likes of "Art Deco" are going to continually suck and blow long
after they're dead and gone, their way of proving that of
social/political and of their personal religious forms of conditional
physics and evidence exclusions plus their butt loads of arrogance and
bigotry will always have a warm and fuzzy place in the hearts and souls
of those intent upon knowing thy enemy and snookering thy humanity in
spite of the truth, and thanks to our resident warlord(GW Bush) proves
beyond any doubt that most any religion will do just fine and dandy.
Perhaps the relatively inexpensive and short duration Russian/ESA Venus
EXPRESS mission of orbiting Venus for 486 Earth days will further
refine these numbers.
The Venus Scorecard
http://www.bio.aps.anl.gov/~dgore/fun/PSL/venusscorecard.html
Venus EXPRESS 2005 Nov 01
"This mission is set to study the atmosphere and plasma environment of
Venus. Set to launch from the Baikonur Cosmodrome in Kazakhstan, it
should take 158 days to reach Venus and the mission will last only two
Venusian sideral days."
~
Life on Venus, Township w/Bridge and ET/UFO Park-n-Ride Tarmac:
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-town.htm
The Russian/China LSE-CM/ISS (Lunar Space Elevator)
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/lunar-space-elevator.htm
Venus ETs, plus the updated sub-topics; Brad Guth / GASA-IEIS
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-topics.htm
War is war, as in winner takes whatever; "In war there are no rules" -
Brad Guth
Brad Guth
actually have no argument with that), apparently it's even so much
hotter and nastier with regard to discussing our nondisclosure/taboo
moon. Yet somehow without any remaining documentation is so freaking
amazing as to how our fly-by-rocket landers functioned like a dream,
and the moon dust simply wasn't, and the TBI factor wasn't, just like
the meteor and micro-meteor influx wasn't any more of a factor than the
lies having been told for decades before and ever since by Kodak as to
how their film should have responded to that sort of unfiltered raw
solar illuminated environment that was almost exactly like walking upon
such a uniformly thin layer of cornmeal and portland cement as here
upon Earth, even quite xenon lamp illuminated like to boot. Are we good
at moonsuit butt-naked walking or what?
Too bad Venus is supposedly too insurmountably hot and nasty for the
likes of whatever our MI6/NSA~NASA has to say. Perhaps they'll even
share yet another spendy NOVA infomercial as delivered by the likes of
their NPR infomercial hore Sandy Wood. In the mean time the Russian/ESA
Venus EXPRESS is going to pick up the slack. Perhaps this time they'll
run with the ball unless MI6/NSA~NASA puts another dog-wagging nail in
our coffins before there's any chance of learning a bit more of the
truth.
Lord Bookman as having been speaking about his being a certified
mainstream status quo "prisoner of your delusions" as perhaps equally
represents the likes of yourself, whereas in which case you folks
tuning in might actually appreciate what other gibberish I've managed
to have contributed in spite of all the flak on behalf of my sharing
whatever I can with wizard "lensman1955", and otherwise on behalf of
their damage control efforts as related to the topic "Apollo Moon
Landings Are Pure Fantasy"
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy/browse_frm/thread/57cb9ebc4eb829b3/3dccaedd4446d2e6?lnk=st&q=mindset+in+a+nutshell&rnum=3&hl=en#3dccaedd4446d2e6
Here's a bit more of my supposed "mindset in a nutshell" worth of
"disinformation" that'll go along with all of my supposed ulterior
motives, hidden agendas and delusions of just "making up numbers".
The fact that our NASA can't afford to give an once nor even a
microgram worth of acknowledgment, much less offer direct support for
what I've uncovered hasn't been specifically focused upon whatever I've
interpreted, at least not any more so flak worthy than it's been of
what's equally if not more so shared upon anyone that presents such
forms of information (no matter how slight or important) that in any
way taints the reputation of MI6/NSA~NASA as being the chief
rusemasters and fierce dog-waggers of our perpetrated cold-war century,
whereas such we're in this for one hell of a fight, which only proves
that others as well as myself have been more than sufficiently right,
and that our government has been looking as guilty as they possibly can
hasn't exactly been improving their side of whatever argument.
Of course, our resident LLPOF warlord(GW Bush) is obviously not the
least bit satisfied with merely causing so much collateral damage and
carnage of the innocent (this time around it's mostly Muslims taking
our heat) over oil reserves, whereas a good storm of nature's wrath is
simply icing upon his cloak and dagger cake of further establishing
and/or justifying his plan of global energy domination, and/or of
forcing the price of whatever energy that isn't under his buttology
control as becoming out of physical and financial reach for those of us
minions that obviously are not of any privileged portion of the 0.1%
upper most cultism that's sufficiently brown-nosed by way of their
playing along with whatever they perceive as the winning the game-plan
of action, that's still every bit as orchestrated as to primarily
benefit the upper most 0.1% of humanity at the expense and/or demise
upon the lower 99.9%.
Day by day the US government sucks worse off because of those having
lied to us before, plus now that of our LLPOF resident commander and
chief warlord(GW Bush) that double sucks and double blows at the same
time isn't exactly building bridges nor taking down walls. I don't know
how the sorts of dumbfounded folks have managed thus far but, I saw
this entire fiasco coming decades ago, and guess what else, it's going
to get a whole lot worse off, although it's not ever going to get
better than what it is right now. In other words, the stage has become
set for WW-III in more and in worse off ways than any humane usage of
our thermal nuclear WMD. Thus far the excess of the ongoing body count
as to unnatural and/or premature death is exceeding 30,000 per day. Do
the math. Oops I forgot that so many can't be bothered to multiply 30e3
* 365 = 1.095e6/year, and that doesn't even include whatever bite
actual wars and of whatever mother nature takes as it's toll, or of the
nasty and less fortunate sub-human quality of the short lives by those
that have managed to survive in spite of the efforts to being
exterminated and/or to simply allow others to exterminate such souls.
GW Bush wise; How many examples of just his crimes against humanity
will it take? (more than one?)
How much closer do we really need to get ourselves into taking our last
nuclear option of WW-III?
How many trillions is it worth in order to sustain perpetrated
cold-war(s) for yet another decade?
Perhaps the next insane round of his LLPOF incest borgism flatulence
(similar to those dastardly deeds of Henry Kissinger) will somehow
manage to inadvertently take away a portion of your life or the lives
of those you love and admire, whereas on your last dying breath you'll
have to remain as so pathetically dumb and dumber, as beyond the point
of no return dumbfounded and thus too snookered to even see the light
from the great beyond. I guess I can't comprehend how individuals that
claim to know all there is to know can remain as such pathetic
brown-nosed minion morons as to supporting what has become worse off
than anything Hitler or a couple of Popes had planned. I'm certainly
not speaking for everyone but, it makes myself believe that such all
knowing wizards that are consistently arguing on behalf of essentially
sustaining the status quo of our past, present and future are the very
rusemasters and/or of their brown-nosed minions that have been directly
responsible for most all of this fiasco from the very get go of WW-II,
if not before. What do you think?
BTW; a mere lie as having most often utilized a touch of skewed-science
or disinformation, and/or by way of a little careful misdirection of
the mainstream media in order to cover up a perfectly human mistake or
oversight isn't in of itself a conspiracy, whereas only after all the
brown-nosed minions have knowingly accepted such lies upon lies as
their one and only pagan truth, then having based and subsequently
perpetrated additional lies and distortions of their own upon such a
skewed foundation of whatever the previous liars had created is it then
a conspiracy, though once folks have become accustomed and knowingly
willing to look the other way, even though they must now utilize the
newly cultivated or hybrid conditional laws of physics while also
having to employ as much evidence exclusion as it takes because, from
the top chain of command to the very bottom subservient minion status,
it's all for one and one for all or nothing.
We might also consider that bullies are never admired, at best they are
tolerated.
Other life that's most important to the environment and otherwise
essential to the global ecosystem is often of what's smaller than
humans, even smaller than we can see by our naked eye, and more often
than not of such having a short life cycle at that. Other than human
life is by far most interesting and by far the most essential
ingredient as a significant proportion of the life that's sequestered
upon Earth, whereas diatoms are certainly a good example of what's
extremely complex and of what really matters, yet when I've introduced
diatoms and other forms of life as having a purpose and function that
we simply can not live without, contributing such into the matrix of
topics of what I'm sharing about our global warming environment or that
of Venus that's primarly geothermally hot and nasty, at best I receive
a dull thud of "so what's the difference", as though we humans are all
that matters, and thus an ET Earth like environment is also all of what
matters.
Is it just myself or are 99.9% of the usenet individuals as lords and
wizards of their domain so entirely immoral and above God, while at the
same time as for their being intellectually as well as otherwise
bigoted beyond reproach or what?
How did our search for ET and of ETI become so narrowly mindset upon
human like forms of that ETI?
Would not a planet hosting all sorts of life other than human be the
motherload of our salvation?
Would not other than human life be a far greater measure, and perhaps
1e6:1 as being most likely?
Why should a given life sustaining other planet even require an
original human like inhabitance?
It seems that human forms of sufficiently intelligent life upon this
Earth hasn't represented 0.1% of the survivable environment timeline of
just the last billion years worth, in which Earth could have been
discovered by a somewhat advanced ET 4H terraforming club. Why not?
Why would a creator have so intentionally limited the inhabitants of
other worlds to the auto-destructive mindset of a human like species
that has clearly demonstrated time and again as to it's blood-sucking
passion for arrogance, greed and bigotry upon inflicting collateral
damage and the worst possible carnage upon it's own kind?
What other species of life upon this Earth has evolved in order to have
survived in spite of the odds, just to becoming such all consuming and
remorseless killing machines without a stitch of any Godly plan, or
even of whatever intelligent design would have had to say?
Clearly the objection as to research that's in any way revealing upon
any possibility of our having been mislead while other life on Venus
has been coexisting isn't so much about the scientific truths, nor is
it about the honest laws of physics that should have been working just
fine and dandy, whereas it's about an absolutely and morbidly sick
religious cultism that's not unlike the Skull and Bones dark order of
their O-Ring members knowing thy enemy and of snookering thy humanity
for all it's worth and at all cost necessary. And silly me, here I'd
thought the dark ages and that of our exterminating the likes of
Cathars were over. Thus the MI6/NSA~NASA perpetrated cold-war ruse and
the Apollo sting of the century continues as we few souls try our level
best to share the truth and nothing but the truth.
Brad Guth
coexisted as long as I'm the village idiot messenger from hell thinking
that we haven't actually walked upon the moon. Go figure. Is that
absolute proof-positive we've got more than our fair share of
disinformation-R-us toilet physics and of skewed science that sucks and
blows at the same time, or what?
Apparently Venus has become very much like our moon, whereas only those
social/religious and politically correct (pro-mainstream status quo)
conditional laws of physics and of skewed-science of as much evidence
exclusions as need be prevails. Except that apparently Venus is just
the exact opposit of our moon being so humanly hocus-pocus
surmountable, and that's despite the total lack of any for-real
fly-by-rocket lander and of Kodak physics that's somehow auto-rejecting
upon all previously understood terrestrial photographic laws of such
physics and, thereby somehow excluding upon whatever's the least bit
reactive or even all that dusty about the lunar environment, thus
somehow avoiding all of the secondary/recoil photons to boot makes
perfect sense. Whereas instead, Venus is somehow (regardless of
whatever applied technology or applied ET smarts and/or contributed via
evolutionary adaptations) remains as entirely insurmountable for even
our best robotics, much less any possible form of humanity, as in a
very big nondisclosure/taboo need-to-know way at that, thus having been
treated scientifically exactly like our moon.
Apparently, other life upon or anywhere about Venus simply can not have
coexisted as long as I'm the messenger that's still thinking we haven't
quite walked upon the moon. Go figure. Is that proof-positive that
toilet physics of conditional laws and of skewed science that's 100+%
social/religious/political bigotry based is all that we have to work
with, or what?
Obviously I'm getting more than ever sufficiently right about Venus and
that of our icy proto-moon because, why otherwise all the topic/author
stalking and incoming flak, or alternately banishment?
I'm usually argued against or rather having been stalked and summarily
bashed if not diverted and/or banished with the other side not having
to support nor otherwise prove squat, whereas it seems as though they
(the mainstream status quo) can't possibly explain upon anything that's
the least bit outside their little pagan box without dropping another
intellectual load of disinformation crapolla into their already
overflowing pants. Apparently you also have to love the LLPOF buttology
flatulence of the warm and fuzzy blood-thirsty remorseless guts of our
resident warlord(GW Bush) or else.
Apparently the physics and whatever (hard or soft) science that has
been related to our accomplishing Mars also can't be in any way
extrapolated or otherwise shared and/or reasonably contrived as to work
on behalf of Venus. Perhaps the actual problem is that Venus is such a
new planet that it has gone quantum on us, thus it doesn't actually
quite exist within our frame of existence, thus explains why our laws
of physics and of whatever science isn't worth squat, perhaps for the
very same reasons why the LSE-CM/ISS can't possibly be achieved, nor
He3 extracted from the moon, at least not until we've located the
remains of Osama bin Laden and all of those WMD that's only cost
humanity trillions and perhaps taken decades out of our stride.
Folks much like *The Commentator* (aka whomever) and William Mook (aka
"utter rot") are not nearly as dumb and dumber as we'd think. In this
instance "TC" and "WM" are actually smart as a Third Reich whip, thus
know damn good and well that their collective brown-nosed LLPOF skewed
science and conditional laws of physics as applied on behalf of their
MI6/NSA~NASA/Apollo ruse/sting of the century are intentionally bogus,
whereas otherwise my well published statements and subsequent questions
as to those unfiltered Kodak moments of the Apollo missions as not
having been in any way whatsoever environment affected nor having
recorded any secondary/recoil photons should have been fully answered
with loads of their superior photographic examples, just like the much
needed and absolutely necessary answers as to all of those supposed
fly-by-rocket landers that supposedly managed their task right out of
the box, and that's without previously having established any reliable
R&D proof-testing steps along the way, thus their landers (manned as
well as robotic) at the time were not the least bit proven nor
otherwise established as sufficiently flyable (other than in orbit),
just crashable and thus impact worthy. Even the USSR robotic/AI
fly-by-rocket efforts that came closest to a soft-landing actually
discovered how soft the moon is in places, as they sank entirely out of
sight. Thus far a sufficient bedrock soft-landing of anything has not
been achieved.
The matter of fact that several of those Kodak frames throughout their
EVA/moonsuit adventures are content skewed as well as illumination
skewed and otherwise entirely spectrum and albedo different than
previously having been obtained from orbit, goes right along with so
many other frame by frame sequencing errors associated from their being
in orbit to being situated upon the surface. There's not even any sign
of an earthshine induced shadow within the extremely harsh solar
induced shadows, not one frame throughout offering any earthshine
shadow that should have been the case since Earth was so freaking large
in the sky, meaning nearby and at times (depending upon cloud cover)
reflecting 36+% of the available 1.4 kw/m2 (that's actually offering
quite a bit of such a nearby secondary worth of a mostly bluish amount
of illumination for any Kodak moment to have ignored or otherwise
optically and film emulsion excluded).
Unfortunately, for their MI6/NSA~NASA ruse/sting of the century, the
natural color and albedo do not shift if you're having to deal with
nearly zilch worth of atmosphere. The albedo simply does not become 5
fold more reflective the closer you get to such a dark and nasty dust
covered surface environment, if anything it becomes an even darker
hellish terrain of mostly basalt to nearly coal and soot like
substances. The various items of the Apollo mission, including those
extremely white moonsuits, do in fact make for a direct and reliable
comparison of their surrounding colors and albedo, of which 12% should
have remained as the typically dark golden and somewhat reddish
composites of iron, titanium and of carbon/soot that should actually
have been meters deep in places and, as such providing something far
less than 10 g/cm worth of surface-tension for that sort of bone-dry
quicksand upon a mostly basalt associated surface with such a healthy
cosmic and solar dust composite that would actually have been of a
micro-sand if not more of an extremely fine powder like and perhaps
somewhat highly electrostatic substance as having been covering and
otherwise surrounding countless meteorites and of primary and their
secondary impact shards strewn about, of impact and crater formation
shards that should have been extremely crisp if not razor sharp,
displayed upon the surface for as far as their unfiltered Kodak eye
could see (not moderated into a near white-out soft tectured terrain
that's entirely devoid of all such surface strewn rock and meteor
related shards, and there certainly shouldn't have been those initial
illumination hot-spots that were somehow extensively corrected as of
their subsequent missions).
Secondary/recoil photons of what's entirely visible to the unfiltered
Kodak eye and thus entirely photograph recordable, just as those of the
invisible hard-X-rays should have also been recorded as well, yet
there's absolutely no sign whatsoever of any such contributions nor of
any film degrade as having been environment impacted, at least by way
of any photographic standards known to humanity. Thus "WM","TC" and
most every other incest cloned borg of their mainstream status quo
collective of absolute perpetrated cold-war Skull and Bones bastards of
their Third Reich collective are exactly what they are, except far
worse brown-nosed minions than of any working on behalf of Hitler or
that of a Pope going postal upon a few Cathars that were simply making
the Catholic church look incredibly though quite truthfully bad.
If you're thinking religion has nothing whatsoever to do with our
perpetrated cold-war or of the supposed space-race to the moon, and
thus no influence upon the past or present day related physics or of
the science that gets mainstream published and into textbooks which
thereby officially establishes their very basis that proves or
disproves whatever their mindset has to offer, get yourself a new grip
upon whatever it is that you call life. Religions and especially
social/religious based governments are almost entirely established upon
disinformation, of liars telling us lie upon lies until them Apollo
cows come home, at least that's the way it's been from the very
beginnings of recorded time.
We all know damn good and well that our resident warlord(GW Bush) and
of most all those associated as his brown-nosed minions lie continually
on behalf of their Skull and Bones criteria, whereas the direct result
having meant that tens of thousands of innocent folks, as well as a few
thousand too many of our own kind, have been eliminated, along with the
ongoing collateral damage is nearly insurmountable, with our national
recovery and less than sufficient global energy reserves and that of
our having far fewer than required refineries are deep into the
global-warming toilet as having damn few if any options. No matters how
good, physics and science simply can't fix what's in denial, as
otherwise being actively blocked by the mainstream status quo. In other
words; once an intellectual bigot, alawys a bigot because, it's all or
nothing.
~
Life upon Venus, Township w/Bridge and ET/UFO Park-n-Ride Tarmac:
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-town.htm
The Russian/China LSE-CM/ISS (Lunar Space Elevator)
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/lunar-space-elevator.htm
Venus ETs, plus the updated sub-topics; Brad Guth / GASA-IEIS
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-topics.htm
War is war, thus "in war there are no rules" - In fact, war has been
Brad Guth
shortly after they've established their LSE-CM/ISS and affectively
established star-wars high ground. Whereas then they're going to kick
serious butt, namely ours. Then it's off to visit the wizard of Oz upon
Venus, once again leaving us far behind in their LSE moon-dust.
Since so many folks within USENST are seemingly so gosh darn
all-knowing and even a bit more than brown-nosed to boot, perhaps they
plus most any other incest cloned wizard/borg friend of their's can
explain as to why any of this following context from our NASA is the
least bit news worthy.
NASA News Release "Radioactive Moon"
http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2005/08sep_radioactivemoon.htm
http://www.universetoday.com/am/publish/nasa_sci_radioactive_moon.html
"Summary - (Sep 9, 2005) When humans return to the Moon in the next
decade, they'll be facing a dangerous combination of cosmic rays and
solar flares. Astronauts will need to avoid getting too much radiation,
so NASA is working to better understand risks. The upcoming Lunar
Reconnaissance Orbiter (LRO) will carefully measure and map the Moon's
radiation environment. It will also have a special instrument designed
to simulate how this radiation will affect the human body."
"The surface of the Moon is baldly exposed to cosmic rays and solar
flares, and some of that radiation is very hard to stop with shielding.
Furthermore, when cosmic rays hit the ground, they produce a dangerous
spray of secondary particles right at your feet. All this radiation
penetrating human flesh can damage DNA, boosting the risk of cancer and
other maladies."
Says Harlan Spence, a professor of astronomy at Boston University;
"We really need to know more about the radiation environment on the
Moon, especially if people will be staying there for more than just a
few days,"
"When galactic cosmic rays collide with particles in the lunar surface,
they trigger little nuclear reactions that release yet more radiation
in the form of neutrons. The lunar surface itself is radioactive!"
http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/mars_dangers_040120.html
"The Moon, with no atmosphere, is more dangerous than the surface of
Mars. Lunar forays will have to be brief unless expensive shielded
habitats are built."
Double dose or perhaps Double duh
"Particle radiation in space goes right through the human body and can
tear apart strands of DNA, the software of life that resides inside a
cell nucleus. Damaged cells can lose the ability perform normally and
to repair themselves."
"There are two primary forms of hazardous space radiation particles.
(These particles are different from electromagnetic radiation, such as
X-rays, visible light or the ultraviolet (UV) rays that cause skin
cancer.)"
"High-energy particles emitted by the Sun during intense flares are one
type. They move outward at millions of miles an hour and can strike the
Earth-Moon system in a day or two. Earth's magnetic field shields the
planet from most of these. Some get through, though, especially in
intense streams lasting several hours when a storm's magnetic field is
aligned in a certain way with that of the planet's."
"Warning times for Sun storms can be as little as 18 hours."
That's roughly 2400 km/s of whatever's extremely TBI hot and nasty and,
I believe such solar wind has to include quite a bit of picogram
flak/m3 that's traveling at lest half as fast, perhaps delivering as
great as 10 picogram/m3 at 1200 km/s by which the KE worth of that fast
arriving substance can essentially knock yourself onto your moonsuit
butt, if not turn your moonsuit into that of a nicely nano perforated
moonsuit that could actually leak O2 and the likes of human sweat and
blood from within, which might actually act as a necessary Perforation
byproduct that'll keep your moonsuit air tight. However, in addition to
the solar primary radiation dosage that should have terminated a good
portion of your DNA, there's also the secondary/recoil aspects as
contributed by the surrounding local dosage that's just as bad off if
not worse. Without a significant atmosphere is what gives such a berth
of hard-X-rays a free ride as to going in all directions and about as
far as the eye can see, such as all the way to Earth where such
radiation has been well documented via terrestrial satellites that are
situated well below the Van Allen expanse as for shielding such
satellites and certainly us from much of the lunar radiation, although
our relatively thick atmosphere is what's primarily saving our DNA/RNA
from becoming exterminated via moon, solar and cosmic radiation, not to
mention keeping the vast bulk of debris from ever touching down.
http://lunar.arc.nasa.gov/results/neures.htm
>From this old data It looks as though the largest of craters situated
about the lunar South Pole offers a somewhat less reactive zone,
perhaps it's less because of the direct solar influx least impacts that
central low terrain and, there is certainly a bit of an atmosphere
that's otherwise responsible for a measured degree of radiation
shielding. A bit larger safety zone though not quite as deep of a
pocket resides about the lunar North Pole.
BTW; when certain solar rays hit the moon that's nearly naked to such
trauma, I believe this is the primary reason as to why there's always a
much greater amount of secondary/recoil dosage of hard-X-rays to being
had. Lunar nighttime or via earthshine is obviously getting back to the
dull roar of cosmic and local radioactive dosages that are still
downright nasty and as such would require a great deal of shielding as
to moderate those TBI dosages down to perhaps something less than a rad
per day, thus giving 50~60 days worth of a working timeline before
receiving their short term career dosage limit. Avoiding the solar
impacted lunar surface goes without saying, that is unless you have a
rather nasty death wish to fulfill, as otherwise an EVA/moonsuit hour
or so might become your career red-line limit, although encountering a
bad solar influx and you could be down to a few minutes.
Actually, as of the late 1960s, there was no shortage of radiation
knowledge as to the likes of our moon, it was just being continually
sequestered so that certain folks could continually snooker thy
humanity for all it's worth. The laws of physics haven't change or even
been modified since way back in them good old perpetrated Apollo and
cold-war days of our supposedly accomplishing the task of walking upon
our moon. In fact, the dosage recording methods back then are nearly
one and same as of today, and certainly of science instruments for
recording such primary and secondary radiation were also of way more
than sufficient methods as for covering their surrounding spacecraft
and moonsuit applications and, of before and long after those Apollo
missions had obtained loads of sufficient moon radiation information
that has merely been sequestered out of sight and thus out of mind for
decades. Thus other than greatly improved resolution which is nearly
always a good thing, why otherwise waste time and by way of our
spending hundreds of millions if not actually getting into billions
with deploying yet another radiation look-see upon what our nasty moon
has to offer?
More than a decade ago the LUNAR-A mission should have nailed the moon,
yet it's still sequestered as we speak.
According to many that certainly know far more than myself, there's
been damn little argument that the substance of the moon itself is far
more radioactive than the common soil and rock of mother Earth. Because
the moon has but a slight atmosphere of mostly argon along with CO2 and
perhaps a xenon and even a radon layer near the surface is why it's
well accepted that the likes of sequestered He3 is also there to
behold. Yet we have no viable robotic nor manned fly-by-rocket lander
that'll accomplish the to/from task. Meanwhile Russia and China are in
a race to establishing the first one and only LSE-CM/ISS which doesn't
even require any stinking fly-by-rocket landers.
~
Life upon Venus, Township w/Bridge and ET/UFO Park-n-Ride Tarmac:
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-town.htm
The Russian/China LSE-CM/ISS (Lunar Space Elevator)
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/lunar-space-elevator.htm
Venus ETs, plus the updated sub-topics; Brad Guth / GASA-IEIS
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-topics.htm
Art Deco
Oh you are right, brad, all these government agencies exist solely to
prevent your vital message from reaching the masses!
[guthlink flushed]
Brad Guth
>Oh you are right, brad, all these government agencies exist solely to
>prevent your vital message from reaching the masses!
freelance rusemaster folks like yourself that'll automatically suck and
blow at their command, whom needs a corrupt or even incompetent
government. Though other than all that, you're probably a terrific sort
of guy or of whatever a collective of lost souls represents. How about
we do lunch the next time you're in town (your treat)?
Obviously your kind couldn't survive upon Earth much less upon another
planet if there wasn't a handy dandy cloak and dagger butt to
brown-nose. If applied physics can't exploit nor otherwise employ the
natural resources, can't get involved with whatever scientific
technology or other talented expertise of utilizing those available
resources as for keeping the likes of yourself alive (meaning supplied
with beer, pizza and smut), then there's obviously nowhere within this
universe that's suitable.
~
Life upon Venus, a township w/Bridge & ET/UFO Park-n-Ride Tarmac:
Brad Guth
doesn't stand a chance in hell when it's up against the continued butt
loads of LLPOF social/religious/political agendas running us amuck.
Thus whatever's hot and nasty about Venus is just as sequestered as per
discussing our moon, the sirius star system or even upon icy
proto-moons that safely transport and deposit life as we know it.
Topic/author banishment has simply become further proof-positive that
I'm sufficiently on target with my otherwise lose cannon shots, right
along with my having pushed a few of those "do NOT push" buttons.
Doing a GOOGLE or most any other "search for" any combinations of
sirius moon venus
lunar space elevator
raw ice in space
or of anything related to space ice
fly by rocket landers
Kodak photon physics
space radiation
secondary/recoil photons
moon radiation
icy proto-moon
ETs surviving on Venus
All of the above and so much other gets you next to nothing that's in
any way specific via hard-science, or otherwise verifiable up against
whatever has been NASA moderated to death and thereby only the NASA
side of whatever story becomes subsequently infomercial published
within those horrifically spendy PBS/NOVA, textbooks and science
journals, that is unless such 100+% supports their perpetrated cold-war
and of the NASA/Apollo ruse, whereas then whatever amounts of applied
dog-wagging, spin and hype as public cost is not the slightest issue.
Why is that?
Apparently of anything that's the least bit capable of skewing their
pagan story as to whatever their pagan God(NASA) accomplished is
taboo/nondisclosure or at best need-to-know, worthy of getting stalked
and summarily bashed to death, much like how our LLPOF resident
warlord(GW Bush) stalked and bashed Saddam as well as taking out a few
too many tens of thousands of Muslims that simply got in his way,
whereas that sort of multi-trillion costing collateral worth damage and
carnage of the innocent is just perfectly fine and dandy, much like
taking out TWA flight-800 was another one of those acceptable "so
what's the difference" formula of "high standards and accountability
that seriously sucks and blows.
The mainstream status quo has continually been all along excluding
and/or avoiding the hard-science matter of their own proof-positive
facts as having been provided by way of their very own pagan NASA/God
that sucks and blows at the same time.
How the hell can even a certified bigot exclude the true natural color
and dark albedo of the moon?
There's certainly other non-Apollo related color images of our moon to
further support this argument.
http://www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/apollo/catalog/70mm/
No Venus, No Sirius = No Apollo is perhaps another topic that's sharing
a bit more truth worthy substance than you can imagine. Even the notion
of our planet receiving the benefits of an icy proto-moon is topic
taboo/nondisclosure because ????????
Even the likes of Mark Wade can't possibly support the NASA/Apollo
bible as having been carved in stone, or even for that matter those
USSR AI/robotic fly-by-rocket landers that seem to have lost all of
their R&D and related proof-testing results as well.
Other individuals like Jack White have certainly made a perfectly nifty
publishing career out of those NASA/Apollo missions without ever taking
into account the natural color and relatively dark albedo of the moon
as officially recorded from orbit, as opposed to those phony baloney
near white-outs of those EVA/moonsuit obtained Kodak moments that
otherwise look entirely xenon lamp spectrum illuminated which quite
frankly sucks big time, or has Jack offered anything as to the
unfiltered Kodak eye not having recorded any sort of near-blue, near-UV
or of any other secondary/recoil photons. Of course, at any time NASA
could have 100+% nailed their own coffins tight by way of forking over
some of the original film transparencies, meaning allowing a totally
nondestructive scan of such frames under whatever safety precautions
NASA deemed fit to impose.
http://www.aulis.com/jackstudies_index1.html
The extremely slight surface-tension of lunar dry-quicksand as an
uncompacted moon-dust composite of iron, titanium and carbon/soot mixed
in with meteor and local basalt shards strewn essentially everywhere
you can imagine is yet another basic topic that Jack White missed
almost entirely, just like having missed the raw particle influx of
whatever's passing by at 30+km/s plus otherwise 1.623 m/s/s gravity
attracted and certainly loads of raw solar flak arriving full speed at
300+km/s, or even of the harsh reactive nature of what such an exposed
lunar surface has to offer. There's also no mention of those little and
quite energy efficient Chapel-Bell S-band to microwave transponders
that were EM-L2/ME-L1 situated for the specific task of those items
essentially snookering the very best of scientist. Hells bells, they
even fooled myself and Walter Cronkite.
This site (though I've seen better) simply adds a little further insult
to injury.
http://www.apfn.org/apfn/moon.htm
Of course, our JPL spooks and of most anyone the least bit government
funded or even remotely related to someone that is, it seems they have
to say otherwise, or else.
http://pirlwww.lpl.arizona.edu/~jscotti/NOT_faked/
Thus the mainstream media and especially textbook and science journal
publishers are seriously up against a firery wall of
nondisclosure/taboo spookology that's clearly about their having to
support and sustain a perpetrated cold-war that obviously sucks and
blows something horrific at the same time, or else.
Of course JayUtah's "apollohoax" forum sucks and blows mainstream
status quo disinformation and/or of employing evidence exclusions
without ever a stitch of remorse. His nose isn't even brown anymore,
it's absolutely pitch black and still in the process of rotting off at
the root.
BTW; his site runs a bit poorly at times because it's continually
steeling info from your computer, and if need be capable of sharing
spermware/malware to boot via his MI6/NSA spooks. Thus there's no real
point in much of anything associated with the likes of an incest cloned
borg like JayUtah that's 100+% pro-Bush, anti-ET and thus as anti-God
as you'll find.
http://apollohoax.proboards21.com/
http://apollohoax.proboards21.com/index.cgi
Even though this next link shares a somewhat greater balance on behalf
of the hoax aspects than most, without question this snookered or
perhaps rusemaster publishing of sutile infomercials by way of
Wikipedia is simply allowing and thus promoting more than their fair
share of what's absolutely full of disinformation-R-us infomercials
and, otherwise being a more than willing participant in evidence
exclusions upon what really matters, thus Wikipedia is a in fact a
willing partner in crimes against humanity. It's that simple because,
there's noting about the Apollo pprogram that's independently
researched nor otherwise verified, yet Wikipedia published every word
of the NASA/Apollo related informercials as though all is well and good
with the almighty.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_moon_landing_hoax_accusations
Talk:Apollo moon landing hoax accusations
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Apollo_moon_landing_hoax_accusations
~
Life upon Venus, a township w/Bridge & ET/UFO Park-n-Ride Tarmac:
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-town.htm
The Russian/China LSE-CM/ISS (Lunar Space Elevator)
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/lunar-space-elevator.htm
Venus ETs, plus the updated sub-topics; Brad Guth / GASA-IEIS
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-topics.htm
Brad Guth
such as by way of his recently bashing Mars, of which I pretty much
agree with. However, this is what I'd just offered in response to one
of the lesser topics of the day: "do you think that civerlisation
started on Mars?"
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.astro.seti/browse_frm/thread/a9950c1fdee53795/b4e966b44a283d93?lnk=st&q=brad+guth&rnum=4&hl=en#b4e966b44a283d93
That's actually not half bad Mars bashing. However, as usual your
contribution has been delivered along with the minor exception that
you've intentionally and thus knowingly excluded a great deal of viable
hard-science as evidence, trashed nearly all forms and formats of
observationology and, as such you've totally discounted/excluded the
other most livable other planet around that's actually damn nearby from
time to time (so much so that if it weren't already a known planet it
would become classified as a rather serious NEO) as being that of the
planet Venus (though obviously not necessarily nor even the least bit
livable by the continually dumbfounded and obviously bigoted humans),
whereas spare green/renewable energy is not even the slightest bit of a
problem and, geological as well as atmospheric elements are extremely
easy pickings.
What does your little black book have to offer as to the regular laws
of physics, as having to say about such a planet as affording so mush
spare and totally clean energy that's so easily available?
Would you perhaps like another honest pro/con side-by-side listing of
what's surmountable and of what isn't?
~
Life upon Venus, a township w/Bridge & ET/UFO Park-n-Ride Tarmac:
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-town.htm
The Russian/China LSE-CM/ISS (Lunar Space Elevator)
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/lunar-space-elevator.htm
Venus ETs, plus the updated sub-topics; Brad Guth / GASA-IEIS
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-topics.htm
Art Deco
Brad Guth
possibility of other life (period), in which case would you care as to
so kindly put your anti-ET and thus anti-God Jewish pecker where your
mouth is?
As usual, you're still sucking down those rotten eggs by way of keeping
yourself out of context and otherwise as far off-topic as you can
possibly get. Thus further proving that I'm right and/or worth the
effort as to stalking, bashing and/or enforcing banishment if at all
possible.
You might as well go all the way by demonstrating some of the Art Deco
shock and awe, by way of your personally exterminating a few thousand
more of those innocent Muslims that you think so little of, and of
course naturally creating as much collateral damage as possible along
the way. Not to forget that then simply employing the usual Art Deco
standard of LLPOF after the bloody fact by way of using your "high
standards and accountability" of your "so what's the difference" policy
that should go a long ways for keep yourself from going to hell,
especially since you're already well on your way to whatever is far
beneath the standards of hell.
I've said it before that, if it weren't for the Art Deco's of this
world there wouldn't have been Hitler's brown-nosed minions, Popes
encharge of exterminating those nice Cathars and now the likes of GW
Bush that's sucking humanity dry while insuring that more than half the
world hates our money grubbing, oil sucking and global polluting guts.
Fortunately, there are secondary religions that are quite honest and
effective at sustaining and improving the lives of others without their
having to purger themselves. Too bad we can't say the same as to the
phony baloney cross building and cross utilization religion of Art Deco
that sucks and blows at the same time.
Art Deco
Your obsession with me has swollen to new heights, brad, I recommend
getting tested for aneurysms. This is a nice meltdown, however.
*The Commentator*
>
The only physics you ever took was Ex-Lax.
*The Commentator*
I see your pussy still hurts, guthball.
Bunn E. Rabbit
wrote:
>Dear Art Deco,
>>Oh you are right, brad, all these government agencies exist solely to
>>prevent your vital message from reaching the masses!
>I wouldn't go quite that far, although with so many snookered and/or
>freelance rusemaster folks like yourself that'll automatically suck and
>blow at their command, whom needs a corrupt or even incompetent
>government. Though other than all that, you're probably a terrific sort
>of guy or of whatever a collective of lost souls represents. How about
>we do lunch the next time you're in town (your treat)?
>
>Obviously your kind couldn't survive upon Earth much less upon another
>planet if there wasn't a handy dandy cloak and dagger butt to
>brown-nose. If applied physics can't exploit nor otherwise employ the
>natural resources, can't get involved with whatever scientific
>technology or other talented expertise of utilizing those available
>resources as for keeping the likes of yourself alive (meaning supplied
>with beer, pizza and smut), then there's obviously nowhere within this
>universe that's suitable.
Here. let me help:
http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/4282/patshat011rc.jpg
--
Bunn E. Rabbit
>~
>
>Life upon Venus, a township w/Bridge & ET/UFO Park-n-Ride Tarmac:
>http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-town.htm
>The Russian/China LSE-CM/ISS (Lunar Space Elevator)
>http://guthvenus.tripod.com/lunar-space-elevator.htm
>Venus ETs, plus the updated sub-topics; Brad Guth / GASA-IEIS
>http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-topics.htm
>War is war, thus "in war there are no rules" - In fact, war has been
>the very reason of having to deal with the likes of others that haven't
>been playing by whatever rules, such as GW Bush.
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Our resident LLPOF warlord's most recent wag-the-dog fiasco of his
buttology lies upon lies is going to cost us big-time. Meanwhile,
Russia and China are going to accomplish a whole lot more than wipe our
sorry butts once they established their Lunar Space Elevator.
I was informing "tomcat" that for our first actual mission to/from the
surface of our moon, along with that do-everything CEV and that nifty
new and improved fly-by-rocket lander that still needs to get itself
invented, as such we should be thinking $500 billions worth. It seems
that as of lately a billion simply doesn't even go a tenth as far as it
did back in them warm and fuzzy perpetrated cold-war days of the late
1960s and early 1970s.
gwlucca;
>Are we still shooting for the stars, or are our sights now so low that
>we risk shooting ourselves in the foot? Or maybe this is really a very
>good program, and I'm suffering from NY TIMES / IHT blackout for the
>best of the details.
This is NOT a very good program. It's another lie being told to us by
the same liars that knew for a bloody matter of a multi-trillion dollar
fact that WMD existed in Iraq. It's called "wag the dog" and, this time
it's simply an even bigger dog.
Unlike yourself, I simply can't defend what sucks and blows
intellectual bigotry and intellectual incest at the same time. You
might as well support Hitler, or Popes going postal upon innocent
Cathars or worse being that of our resident LLPOF warlord(GW Bush)
sticking it to those innocent Muslims, while mostly black folks are
needlessly drowning or otherwise taking more than their fair share of
global-warming hits throughout large portions of America.
Obviously I have a few minor problems with our NASA accomplishing much
of anything that's involving humans in space, that's not representing
yet another butt-load of cloaks and daggers running us amuck.
You folks that obviously think otherwise need to get real by getting
another grip upon reality, or at least a better grip on your partner's
pecker. Believe in that our NASA has been nothing but an absolute LLPOF
spermology of a cult, as that's pretty much about all that pro-NASA
retards need to ever realize.
No matters what your fancy dancy pop-up books and those spendy BBC/NOVA
infomercials have had to say all of these years, we still do NOT have
those old or newer fly-by-rocket landers, not even so much as scaled to
suit gravity prototype, nor have we established a viable and thus safe
method of EVA lunar expeditions as having to survive under the raw
solar illumination that's a whole lot more than just damn toasty.
There's no available moonsuit that a micro-meteorite arriving at
3+km/s, much less 30+km/s can't easily penetrate and, we certainly
can't manage to pack along enough shield in order to prevent a gauntlet
of hard-X-rays from nailing our DNA/RNA to a fairlywell.
The Russian and Chinese focus has been upon establishing their one and
only LSE-CM/ISS, then obviously mining the moon comes next, though even
by earthshine the moon remains as mostly the task of robotics.
BTW; I'm actually pro-NASA, just not pro-LLPOF MI6/NSA~NASA nor am I
pro-perpetrated cold-war, though I'm certainly pro-bobotics about our
moon being best suited for such robots that do not have DNA/RNA to die
for. Short-term earthshine lunar EVAs are possible for us humans, but
that's about it. Besides, at 5 g/cm2 worth of surface-tension; how
exactly are we planning upon walking ourselves about upon many portions
of our radioactive as well as reactive moon without sinking out of
sight?
UNFORTUNATELY, THERE IS A WEE BIT MORE THAN 5 CM WORTH OF DEPTH TO THAT
MOON-DUST. If not, then it's the one and only bone dry moon within our
solar system that isn't dusty.
Thus I for one "oppose" the notion(s) that we even have a freaking
honest clue as to what's happening, much less of what happened 35 some
odd years ago.
Art Deco
>BTW; I'm actually pro-NASA, just not pro-LLPOF MI6/NSA~NASA nor am I
>pro-perpetrated cold-war, though I'm certainly pro-bobotics about our
>moon being best suited for such robots that do not have DNA/RNA to die
>for. Short-term earthshine lunar EVAs are possible for us humans, but
>that's about it. Besides, at 5 g/cm2 worth of surface-tension; how
>exactly are we planning upon walking ourselves about upon many portions
>of our radioactive as well as reactive moon without sinking out of
>sight?
>
>UNFORTUNATELY, THERE IS A WEE BIT MORE THAN 5 CM WORTH OF DEPTH TO THAT
>MOON-DUST. If not, then it's the one and only bone dry moon within our
>solar system that isn't dusty.
>
>Thus I for one "oppose" the notion(s) that we even have a freaking
>honest clue as to what's happening, much less of what happened 35 some
>odd years ago.
Fortunately NASA relies on actual data collected and analyzed by highly
educated scientists and engineers using well-designed hardware, instead
of rantings by pseudoscientific usenet kooks who have no idea what they
are yapping about. Free clue, brad: you are not part of Gruppe A here.
Another free clue, brad: all of the nonsense "problems" you claim
above were answered by 1967.
Matt Wiser
what facts or data you present; if it contradicts what he thinks, it's "you're part of the
conspiracy," or, "You're brainwashed, I know the truth." Yeah, right. And I have beachfront
property to sell-in New Mexico! Just leave him to his wacky delusions and that's it.
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Bookman
wrote:
>Brad Guth <ieisbr...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>BTW; I'm actually pro-NASA, just not pro-LLPOF MI6/NSA~NASA nor am I
>>pro-perpetrated cold-war, though I'm certainly pro-bobotics about our
>>moon being best suited for such robots that do not have DNA/RNA to die
>>for. Short-term earthshine lunar EVAs are possible for us humans, but
>>that's about it. Besides, at 5 g/cm2 worth of surface-tension; how
>>exactly are we planning upon walking ourselves about upon many portions
>>of our radioactive as well as reactive moon without sinking out of
>>sight?
>>
>>UNFORTUNATELY, THERE IS A WEE BIT MORE THAN 5 CM WORTH OF DEPTH TO THAT
>>MOON-DUST. If not, then it's the one and only bone dry moon within our
>>solar system that isn't dusty.
>>
>>Thus I for one "oppose" the notion(s) that we even have a freaking
>>honest clue as to what's happening, much less of what happened 35 some
>>odd years ago.
>
>Fortunately NASA relies on actual data collected and analyzed by highly
>educated scientists and engineers using well-designed hardware, instead
>of rantings by pseudoscientific usenet kooks who have no idea what they
>are yapping about. Free clue, brad: you are not part of Gruppe A here.
That fact won't slow him down, since Bratty seems to think that he's
the "source of all science". It's fortunate that we[tinw] have real
scientists, such as those that really did land men on the moon with
the Apollo missions, instead of LLPOF ko0ks such as teh Guthball, who
never did anything.
>
>Another free clue, brad: all of the nonsense "problems" you claim
>above were answered by 1967.
Teh Guthball lacks the science education to comprehend that fact.
HTH.
ESL!
--
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"****SPV....... So yes I am an idiot."
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Brad Guth
That's right, forget all about whatever's hard-science or of what those
pesky regular laws of physics have to say, especially of those which do
not support your pagan MI6/NSA~NASA crapolla that sucks and blows at
the same time.
Apparently you're calling Kodak liars and of their photon/photographic
physics as being bogus because it doesn't support your LLPOF status
quo. Using such evidence exclusionary science worked just find and
dandy for Hitler (at least that's what worked on behalf of humanity by
getting him prematurely dead), as it still does for your Skull and
Bones and Third Reich cults that seem to coexist because of your type
of incest cloning mutations. So what you're saying is, why not continue
with your "so what's the difference" grand ruse/sting of your
perpetrated cold-war fiasco.
Banishing a given topic/author is the very same as hunting down Cathars
or Third Reich pillaging and book burning, which seems to entirely suit
your pagan ulterior motivated agenda to another and another bloody T.
Brad Guth
fornicate together,
That's right folks, apparently we'll need to forget all about
whatever's hard-science or of what those pesky regular laws of physics
have to say, especially of those which do not support your pagan
Apparently you're just fine calling Kodak liars and of their
photon/photographic physics as being bogus because it doesn't support
your LLPOF status quo. Using such evidence exclusionary science worked
just find and dandy for Hitler (at least that's what worked on behalf
of humanity by getting him prematurely dead), as it still does for your
Skull and Bones and Third Reich cults that seem to coexist because of
your type of incest cloning mutations. So what you're saying is, why
not continue with your "so what's the difference" grand ruse/sting of
your perpetrated cold-war fiasco.
Bashing and certainly of banishing a given topic/author is the very
same as hunting down Cathars or having your Third Reich as out and
about pillaging and book burning, which seems to entirely suit each of
your pagan ulterior motivated agenda to another and yet another bloody
T.
Thus as usual, you're avoiding Venus simply because it's so gosh darn
hot and nasty, especially for the sorts of dumb and dumber and thus
easily dumbfounded and/or snookered sorts of anti-ET and thus anti-God
types as yourselves.
Brad Guth
about Venus?", instead we may need to regress a few decades in order to
appreciate what's actually HOT and NASTY about our Moon?
Besides the raw solar influx aspects of 1.4 kw/m2 scorching
continuously upon the moon for nearly a month at a time, thus getting
whatever's dark and nasty extremely hot and not to mention damn
reactive as all get out. How about for the all around sporting heck of
it all, lets say we jump off the mainstream status quo good ship
LOLLIPOP in order to discuss our going back to our moon for the very
first time, so as to get an honest to God grasp upon whatever the lunar
atmosphere is actually all about. Of course, I'm speaking robotically
since it's usually so downright hot, reactive and nasty or otherwise
just damn cold and nasty upon our moon, not to mention that robotics
are certainly a whole lot cheaper than clumping moon-dirt and obviously
so much safer as compared to human efforts and, since we're talking of
accomplishing this as a one way robotic ticket to ride and hardly of
any R&D required, as such robots are damn fast at getting the job done,
and without any need of banked bone marrow standing by.
Rather gosh darn pathetically odd that there was never one usenet
contribution or even a sub-topic generated as to this perfectly nifty
NYT published consideration;
Moon's thin atmosphere extends farther than thought
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.astro/browse_frm/thread/59366d395809215b/ac201e82b060a176?lnk=st&q=lunar+atmosphere&rnum=9&hl=en#ac201e82b060a176
FROM THE NEW YORK TIMES:
Moon's thin atmosphere extends farther than thought
(c) 1995 Copyright Nando.net
(c) 1995 N.Y. Times News Service
Now researchers at Boston University, who two years ago determined
that the rarefied gas bubble surrounding the Moon extended 5,000 miles
high, say new studies show that the lunar atmosphere reaches out twice
as far.
The astronomers, Dr. Michael Mendillo and Dr. Jeffrey Baumgardner of
the Center for Space Physics at Boston University, said that during
the eclipse the Moon was totally in Earth's shadow, blocking the
bright moonlight that obscures observations of gases in the lunar
atmosphere. Under these conditions, the astronomers were able to
detect the faint glow of sodium gas, which serves as a marker for
other gases in the lunar atmosphere.
"We were surprised to find that this glow extended to over nine times
the radius of the Moon, to a height of about 14,000 kilometers, or
9,000 miles above the Moon's surface," Mendillo said.
The researchers say their observations have enabled them to rule out
some theories on the origin of the lunar atmosphere. They believe that
the most likely explanation is the evaporation of atoms from the lunar
surface when it is struck by light particles called photons coming
from sunlight. Sodium and other elements escape the surface through
erosion caused by the bombardment of photons.
The astronomers earlier ruled out a suggestion that the lunar
atmosphere was formed by the constant bombardment of the surface by
micrometeorites. If the micrometeorite theory was true, they said, the
atmosphere would be evenly distributed instead of being irregular in
shape, as their measurements indicate.
Another theory holds that solar wind -- charged particles streaming
from the Sun -- kicks up surface atoms as it lashes the lunar surface.
But the researchers said this theory now appeared to be eliminated
because Earth's magnetic field traps solar wind and shields the lunar
surface during the full-moon phase, when their observations show the
tenuous lunar atmosphere fully extended above the surface.
-
If the regular lunar atmosphere extends out as far as having been
reported, then obviously doing the math of what was at the time of Nov.
1993 as detectable at 14,000 km off the lunar deck as being perhaps 100
atoms/cm3 worth of sodium, whereas that certainly represents quit a bit
of what's compiled upon the deck, especially since sodium is certainly
one of the lighter elements of mass that's associated within the mostly
basalt lunar surface that's having been continually giving berth to
such sodium gas. Obviously the meteor impacts that contributed a great
deal of further insult to injury were subsequently generating massive
amounts of additional sodium atmosphere, thereby having co-generated
the other vaporised raw elements, such as good old O2 that which
wouldn't have been so easily excavated away by the typical hot and
nasty gauntlet of solar winds.
According to Mike Williams;
"The strength of the surface gravity (1.623 m/s/s) isn't the critical
factor. What's more significant is the escape velocity (Moon 2.38km/s,
Titan 2.65km/s)."
"The heavier gas sticks around but the useful gas escapes. The various
types of molecules settle down to having the same average kinetic
energy, but that means that the lighter molecules move faster than the
heavier ones. They move just as fast, in fact, as if the heavier
molecules were not present."
"There's a piece of JavaScript on this page
<http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/kinetic/kintem.html#c4>
that will calculate the average molecular speed given the molecular
mass and temperature. N2 molecules (m=28) on Titan (T=-197C) average
260m/s which is about a tenth of the escape velocity. CO2 molecules
(m=28) on the Moon (daytime T=107C) average 464m/s which is about a
fifth of the escape velocity. That might sound OK, but not all
molecules travel at the average velocity, some travel faster and leak
away. The Earth isn't able to hold on to hydrogen molecules, and they
average about a fifth of Earth's escape velocity."
"Radon atoms would travel at an average of 206m/s on the Moon, which
suggests that you could build an atmosphere of pure Radon."
Of course, for building and sustaining that sort of a radon atmosphere,
for that to happen the moon might require having a good amount of
Radium(Ra-226) as for generating the Rn-222 gas, although a good amount
of raw solar influx and thus secondary/recoil reactions might otherwise
accomplish this same task, that plus the matter of fact that our moon
is considerably more radiaoactive than Earth should go to waste.
Brad Guth
Once a bigot, always a bigot. Imagine that; we have two, three, four
and certainly far more than I can possibly count bigots-R-us.
Of course, as you say that I'm the "source of all science", then
perhaps I'm actually right about something, as otherwise why am I worth
all the flak.
Once again my topics are acting much like the event horizon of one
mother of another black hole, as I manage to keep sucking all of you
perverts and sick MI6/NSA spooks and so many other bastards in buy the
truck loads. I should be getting paid for doing this nifty task.
Bookman
wrote:
>Yourself, Art Deco, Bookman and Matt Wiser as a foursome must sleep and
>fornicate together,
Keep your creepy sex fantasies to yourself, pervert!
>That's right folks, apparently we'll need to forget all about
>whatever's hard-science
Sorry, Guthball, no one[tinno] is going to abandon hard science and
use your non-scientific religious beliefs in science's stead.
It must really piss you off, the fact that actual hard science put
real human beings on the moon, and no amount of your ko0kscreeding
can change that fact.
>or of what those pesky regular laws of physics
You mean the ones that real scientists and engineers used in the
Apollo program, to place genuine men on the moon? As opposed to your
LLPOF "incest-cloned sperm-soaked borg" ko0k fantasies?
Too bad for you that your religion is so impotent, and can't
accomplish anything.
>have to say, especially of those which do not support your pagan
>MI6/NSA~NASA crapolla that sucks and blows at the same time.
>
>Apparently you're just fine calling Kodak liars and of their
>photon/photographic physics as being bogus because it doesn't support
>your LLPOF status quo. Using such evidence exclusionary science worked
>just find and dandy for Hitler (at least that's what worked on behalf
>of humanity by getting him prematurely dead), as it still does for your
>Skull and Bones and Third Reich cults that seem to coexist because of
>your type of incest cloning mutations. So what you're saying is, why
>not continue with your "so what's the difference" grand ruse/sting of
>your perpetrated cold-war fiasco.
>
>Bashing and certainly of banishing a given topic/author is the very
>same as hunting down Cathars or having your Third Reich as out and
>about pillaging and book burning, which seems to entirely suit each of
>your pagan ulterior motivated agenda to another and yet another bloody
>T.
>
>Thus as usual, you're avoiding Venus simply because it's so gosh darn
>hot and nasty, especially for the sorts of dumb and dumber and thus
>easily dumbfounded and/or snookered sorts of anti-ET and thus anti-God
>types as yourselves.
Why are you so commited to being anti-god and anti-ET, Guthball? Is
that one of the tenets of your non-scientific religion?
Bookman
wrote:
>Lord Bookman,
Grovel more next time, Guthball.
>Once a bigot, always a bigot.
Is that your excuse for being such a bigot, Bratty?
>Imagine that; we have two, three, four
>and certainly far more than I can possibly count bigots-R-us.
You're gonna wear that projector out, ko0kboi.
>
>Of course, as you say that I'm the "source of all science",
No, I say that you are the source of non-scientific, bigoted,
pseudoreligious ko0kery. Learn to get it right, next time.
>then
>perhaps I'm actually right about something, as otherwise why am I worth
>all the flak.
Nope. Ko0ks get the "flak" because they are ko0ks, not because they
are "right". Try again.
>
>Once again my topics are acting much like the event horizon of one
>mother of another black hole, as I manage to keep sucking all of you
>perverts and sick MI6/NSA spooks and so many other bastards in buy the
>truck loads. I should be getting paid for doing this nifty task.
Can anyone parse this illucid ko0kscreed? It seems to involve teh
Guthko0k patting himself on the back for being ko0ky.
Damon Hill
news:fkjhj1p5nfuaiou7t...@4ax.com:
>
> Why are you so commited to being anti-god and anti-ET, Guthball? Is
> that one of the tenets of your non-scientific religion?
It's because he's insane.
Let him rant, and don't worry about him. He's just a
control-k away from peace and quiet in your killfile as well
as ours.
--Damon
William Mook
Brad Guth wrote:
> Apparently, other life upon or anywhere about Venus can not have
> coexisted as long as I'm the village idiot messenger from hell thinking
> that we haven't actually walked upon the moon. Go figure.
Okay. Well, Brad, for starters can't you see that these two thoughts
are non-sequitous? That is, whether life coexists on Venus or not has
nothing to do with whether or not you're perceived as a village idiot
(or are indeed a village idiot?)
Get this important point - and maybe it would make sense to discuss
things with you further. Otherwise - not.
> Is that
> absolute proof-positive we've got more than our fair share of
> disinformation-R-us toilet physics and of skewed science that sucks and
> blows at the same time, or what?
Since the dramatic end of World War II the United States government has
taken great pains to limit the spread of technical information that
would support the widespread development and creation of nuclear
weapons and missile based delivery systems for those weapons.
http://www.au.af.mil/au/awc/awcgate/awc-cps.htm
Combine that mission with the rising use of information warfare
techniques by the US military following the failure of Vietnam due to
'losing the hearts and minds of the American people'
http://www.af.mil/lib/corner.html
And one MIGHT make an argument that certain types of scientific inquiry
- nuclear and missle related science - and technical development -
related to nuclear and missle technology - is constrained in some way.
Even if one accepts the outlandish notion that the US military
conceives of the American public is in some sense its 'enemy' - or at
least 'suspect'
http://www.au.af.mil/au/aul/bibs/intelam/intams.htm
(See especially Cynthia Nolan's book reviewing the 1974 series of New
York Times articles questioning the legitimacy of CIA's 'family jewels'
in the wake of Watergate)
especially in the wake of the 9/11 terror attacks - even if one accepts
all of that - one still must take into account the following practical
considerations;
1) The common sense of the average American person;
2) The limitations of resources and time any agency must operate in;
3) Legal and political environment in which any agency operates;
4) That agency's mission
5) Widespread non-nuclear, non-missle technical and scientific
knowledge
which indicates that the power, range and breadth of any domestic
info-war agency if it actually existed - would be constrained, focused,
and of limited import to society generally.
Any larger effects would likely be unintended due to a lack of
appreciation of the importance of secondary effects - for example,
supporting the general notion that missiles are too expensive for small
countries to even think about developing or funding may be a reasonable
idea to attribute to a non-proliferation info-war agency (attributed
all without a lick of proof of course.) But, the broad acceptance of
that idea (the epistemology of the 'enemy' accepts the notion
uncritically) undercuts the ability of small space launch companies to
raise funds in the capital markets, and slows or even stops interesting
commercial space development.
Any hypothetical infowar agency dedicated to carrying out
anti-proliferation missions - if such an agency indeed exists - would
view the internet as a powerful tool that mustn't be allowed to develop
into a means of transferring nuclear or missile technology, know-how,
or knowledge useful to a proliferator.
What techniques could one use to control this flow of information?
1. Any reputable, but uncontrolled source of information would be
targeted and shut down, by any number of means ranging from direct
attack of one's computer system to more indirect means such as personal
attacks, economic attacks, or attacks on one's reputation.
2. Place one's own reputable, but controlled sources in place in
lieu of uncontrolled ones.
3. Flood any discourse with the shouting of buffoons. This is
similar to a technique first used by the English to control discourse
about the King in Hyde Park London! While it would not be politic to
directly arrest and confine certain individuals who spoke badly of the
King - this didn't stop the King from covertly sending goons to the
park to stir up the crowd and end reasonable discourse by shouting down
the target, or even shouting at each other - so that people walking by
didn't hear the message the King didn't want them hear - but rather,
people walking by would hear the argument and fighting. Thus, they
ignore totally the targeted meme!
This last technique describes perfectly Brad, and his cohorts, (whether
seeming enemy of friend) role in these space groups. And Brad would
have a tough time denying this role.
I often wonder what Brad does that he has so much time to devote to his
own disinformation efforts here.
I've tried to figure out a little about him through the internet. I
think he lives with his girl friend - well at least she pays the phone
bill - so, is likely unemployed. But, unemployed buffoons - even
demented buffoons - are often the favorites of intelligence agencies
for the type of work described here. So, that doesn't leave Brad out
of suspicion - not by a long shot!
<snip>
Still, it leaves us in a bit of bind trying to figure out exactly how
those of us who enthusiastically seek real progress in space technology
can join together usefully against the ravings of such people as Brad -
whether employed as a infowar operative or not!
Cheers
Art Deco
Translation: "yap yap yap yap yap yap yap yap yap yap yap yap yap"
[guthlinks flushed]
--
Official Associate AFA-B Vote Rustler
"The original human being was a female hermaphrodite with
both male and female genitalia."
"Human beings CAN NOT live in a solar system without a sun
with a ferrite core and a planet without a solid iron core."
-- Alexa Cameron, Kook of the Year 2004
Brad Guth
If it's at all possible to keep your mainstream spermwear from
terminating my PC, as such I'll try to address at least portions of
what you've contributed without my going usenet postal if at all
possible. I'll even quote and give you the fullest of credits for these
terrific words that are seeming of what you honestly think makes
everything under your sun that shining down upon your flat Earth all
better regardless of the truth.
First of all, your feedback seems perfectly creditable and, as usual
you seem focused upon anything except that of Venus, our moon or God
forbid the Sirius star system. Instead, you've focused upon my limited
understanding and/or misunderstands of politics and perhaps of the
religious basis and/or bias by which our government manages to keep
taking from the poor and giving to the rich (at least that's been the
end result). I'm assuming that you're not one of the poor.
I've only used the term/phrase "village idiot" as associated with
myself because, that's what most of your mainstream status quo seems
focused upon getting others and of the media in general to think is the
case. Whereas I believe the only village idiot aspects that I truly
know of were those in which I've tried nicely to enlist the likes of
our NASA and of other supposedly honest folks from the very get-go, as
that was certainly being extremely village idiotic of myself to think
that our NASA or of those associated would so much as give an honest
tinkers damn about whatever is situated upon Venus.
Thus I've come to agree with the rather dismal prospects that our own
government and whatever Skull and Bones cultisims within are very much
afraid of their allowing the public to knowing the truth about much of
anything that truly matters. Thus if the internet/usenet infrastructure
isn't already sufficiently chuck full of your MI6/NSA spookology and
disinformation-R-us infomercials, perhaps it should be.
Unfortunately, with private fiber-optic and satellite based internet
channels and pathways running amuck, chances of spooks keeping their
smelly perpetrated cold-war lids on tight isn't exactly a sure bet
these days.
The not so "hypothetical infowar agency dedicated to carrying out
anti-proliferation missions" may be simply doing the best they can
under the difficult circumstances of a growing WWW that's obtained more
viable channels and pathways than you or I can shake a flaming stick
at. In other words, I believe they're accomplishing about the best
damage-control they can manage without spilling more of their
perpetrated cold-war jars as having been chuck full of those ricin
castor beans.
>I often wonder what Brad does that he has so much time to
>devote to his own disinformation efforts here.
What's to wonder?
All that you have to do is call (253)8576061, or email, or forbid
actually usenet contribute whatever's sufficiently on-topic by way of
your providing a little of your all-knowing expertise, as to share and
share alike, that is as long as those MI6/NSA MEN-in-BLACK aren't going
to take you and your entire family out of the picture for merely
allowing something of what's still taboo/nondisclosure to becoming
publicly posted, or perhaps merely allowing someone other to
accomplishing the task is being just as good if not better (just as JFK
or those nice Taliband and Osama bin Laden types that accomplished some
of our best USSR bashings).
>Still, it leaves us in a bit of bind trying to figure out exactly how
>those of us who enthusiastically seek real progress in space technology
>can join together usefully against the ravings of such people as Brad -
>whether employed as a infowar operative or not!
What possible bind, unless you mean the bind of your having to share
the truth and nothing but the truth?
Once again, you've said it all without sharing upon one damn on-topic
thought, viable notion or conjecture about our moon, Venus or upon
whatever's I've suggested might be worth discussing, thus taking
whatever out of context as per only what suits your ulterior motives
and hidden agenda mindset, proving that I'm right and best of all,
proving that you're either part of the original problem or simply
another fool that's snookered and/or sufficiently dumbfounded so that
you and your extremely brown nose can't possibly figure out which way
is up. Of course, if you wanted to prove me wrong, as such by
contributing something/anything that's on-topic (doesn't even have to
be a positive thought as long as you've got a viable reference backing
yourself up) might actually do the trick.
BTW; Your rather limited cloak and dagger efforts as to disqualify my
position(s) and individual worth is additional proof-positive that I'm
sufficiently right and you're not. Better luck next time around, such
as when your disinformation and/or evidence exclusionary highway is
overflowing with MOS mainstream status quo infomercial crapolla, thus
having more than their fair share of what's been running humanity amuck
that can be tossed at stopping my ulterior motives and hidden agendas
(oops, it seems that I do not have such ulterior motives nor any hidden
agendas, thus perhaps I also have a serious brown-nose minion gap).
Perhaps I could barrow a few of your brown-nosed minions, thus I could
work independently on getting my research appreciated and thereby
privately or foreign funded in spite of those having such better and
more important things to be doing. I wonder what's better off than
establishing the LSE-CM/ISS, or that of dealing with whatever's still
alive and kicking on Venus?
BTW No.2; Right back at you, as I'm assuming that can I utilize your
"Flood any discourse with the shouting of buffoons" as to discrribing
exactly how it is that my ongoing research has been consistantly bashed
and/or banished by your mainstream status quo buffoons that suck and
blow big-time at the same time?
BTW No.3; I'm not even the least bit finished, as "I'll be back".
~
Life upon Venus, a township w/Bridge & ET/UFO Park-n-Ride Tarmac:
*The Commentator*
I keep telling you, using a rusty spike for a dildo will make your pussy
hurt, guthk00k.
Whine elsewhere.
Brad Guth
the mainstream status quo,
How right that Art Deco and yourself are about using rusty spikes. Of
course such nails wouldn't ever rust on Venus, even polished mild steel
would hold onto its shine for decades, if not centuries, and just like
the radar image of Venus that's showing us all the perfectly natural
items of supposedly hot rock, a rather nifty sort of canyon/rille,
quite possibly of what's natural reservoirs somewhat interconnected and
of the nifty fluid arch as having been contributing "nothing but
pixellation and compression artifacts" that are otherwise merely
situated nearby the GUTH Venus interplanetary tarmac and of all of what
the cluster of nearby yet massive structures as having that other
nearby pesky and not so little bridge like item and not even so
unlikely that of having also depicted a truly massive rigid airship to
boot. Of course having a few "pixellation and compression artifacts" as
to those rather sizable parabolics and of those aligned rows of
recessed storage tanks is apparently perfectly common place as per
being what such a hot and nasty Venus is all about.
I'm sure that you have all sorts of similar SAR obtained images of
whatever's perfectly natural that looks every bit if not more so
artificial, as otherwise how would such an all-knowing and all-around
wizard observer as yourself know otherwise?
I mean to suggest that, obviously you have a solid cash of what has
established your firm scientific basis upon such viable
observationology that's supported by similar satellite images that have
been properly interpreted as to whatever's your "high standards and
accountability" because, otherwise you'd be lying again.
It's nearly always another God damn pisser when those very same 36
looks/pixel of such a well qualified 8-bit/pixel radar imaging task has
been so clearly depicting upon all of what's perfectly natural about
the surface of Venus, yet having been once upon a time local or ET
interrupted and/or modified by whatever looks so gosh darn artificial,
perfectly community and entirely of a rational functionality to boot.
I'm fairly certain that you'd 100% agree with lord and all-knowing
rusemaster Art Deco;
>there are no aliens on Venus
However, I never insisted there were, I just insisted that Venus locals
or perhaps visiting ETs at some point in time had managed a little
creative decor worth of revisions upon that otherwise hot and nasty
terrain which still manages to look exactly as though they'd
accomplished a fairly complex looking tarmac as having a couple of
rather nifty sub-service bays no less, as per that same mountainous
setting incorporating that nearby and not so little bridge item, plus
that strong indication of a massively large rigid airship and seemingly
having established their perfectly rational community of fairly complex
sorts of large structures and infrastructure to boot. Whereas to why
they might leave town when there's unlimited resources of natural
elements and all of that easily accessible green/renewable energy
within their (figure of speech) world to burn, so as to easily coupe
with whatever a little heat that's mostly geothermal has to offer,
whereas such you've certainly got the likes of myself entirely
off-guard on that one.
Thus I'm not quite certain what there is to whine about, unless it's
over the likes of yourselves incest cloning upon one another in public.
*The Commentator*
Now little badgut's pussy AND asshole hurts! Whine elsewhere.
Brad Guth
other incest cloned brown-nosed minions of your mainstream status quo
that's anti-ET and thus anti-God and innocent blood-sucking Third Reich
proud as punch.
How perfectly right the fine art of your sucking and blowing at the
same time must be worth it, such as along with your sex partners in
crimes against humanity Art Deco, Bookman and yourself getting it on
are about as pathetic as per using that rusty spike you seem to know a
great deal about (perchance, is that the very same rusty sorts of nail
that you and your good buddies pegged into Jesus Christ on your home
made cross?).
Of course such nails wouldn't ever have rusted on Venus, even polished
mild steel would hold onto its shine for decades, if not centuries, and
just like the radar image of Venus that's showing us all the perfectly
natural items of supposedly hot rock, a rather nifty sort of
canyon/rille, quite possibly of what's natural about reservoirs that
are somewhat interconnected and certainly of the nifty fluid arch as
having been contributing "nothing but pixellation and compression
artifacts" that are otherwise merely situated nearby the GUTH Venus
interplanetary tarmac and of all of what the cluster of nearby yet
massive structures as per also having that other nearby pesky and not
so little bridge like item, and that's not even so unlikely of having
also depicted a truly massive rigid airship to boot. Of course having a
few "pixellation and compression artifacts" as to those rather sizable
parabolics and of those aligned rows of recessed storage tanks is
apparently perfectly common place as per being what such a hot and
nasty Venus is all about that's stipulated within your good LLPOF book
of paganism on steroids.
I'm sure that you and your pagan buddies must have all sorts of similar
SAR obtained images of whatever's perfectly natural that looks every
bit if not more so artificially complex that are TOP-SECRET and thus
sequestered out-of-sight and thus out-of-mind, as otherwise how would
such an all-knowing and all-around brown-nosed wizard and certified
rusemaster observer such as yourself know otherwise?
I mean to suggest that, obviously you must have a solid cash of
whatever has established your firm scientific basis upon such viable
observationology that's supported by similar satellite images that have
been properly interpreted as to whatever's your "high standards and
accountability" because, otherwise you'd be lying your pagan butt off
again.
It's nearly always another God damn pisser when those very same 36
looks/pixel of such a well qualified 8-bit/pixel radar imaging task
that has been so clearly depicting upon all of what's perfectly natural
about the surface of Venus, yet indicating upon significant portions as
having been once upon a time local or ET interrupted and/or modified by
whatever looks so gosh darn artificial, perfectly community like and
entirely of incorporating a rational functionality aspect to boot.
I'm fairly certain that yourself and of your flat-Earth freaks would
100% agree with the likes of lord and all-knowing rusemaster Art Deco;
>there are no aliens on Venus
However lo and behold, it seems that I've never insisted there were
such ETs, I just insisted that Venus locals or perhaps visiting ETs at
some point in time had managed a little creative decor worth of rather
obvious revisions upon that otherwise hot and nasty terrain which still
manages to look exactly as though they'd accomplished a fairly complex
looking tarmac as having a couple of rather nifty sub-service bays no
less, as per that same mountainous and canyon side setting
incorporating that nearby and not so little bridge item, plus that
strong indication of a massively large rigid airship and seemingly
having established their perfectly rational community of fairly complex
sorts of large structures and infrastructure to boot.
Whereas to why such locals or ETs might leave town when there's
unlimited resources of natural elements and all of that easily
accessible green/renewable energy within their (figure of speech) world
to burn, so as to easily coupe with whatever a little heat that's
mostly geothermal has to offer, whereas such you've certainly got the
likes of myself entirely off-guard on that one.
Thus I'm still not quite certain what there is to whine about, unless
it's over the likes of yourselves continually incest cloning upon one
Art Deco
>It's nearly always another God damn pisser when those very same 36
>looks/pixel of such a well qualified 8-bit/pixel radar imaging task
>that has been so clearly depicting upon all of what's perfectly natural
>about the surface of Venus, yet indicating upon significant portions as
Meaningless babble. You don't know anything about digital image
processing.
>having been once upon a time local or ET interrupted and/or modified by
>whatever looks so gosh darn artificial, perfectly community like and
>entirely of incorporating a rational functionality aspect to boot.
>
>I'm fairly certain that yourself and of your flat-Earth freaks would
>100% agree with the likes of lord and all-knowing rusemaster Art Deco;
>>there are no aliens on Venus
>However lo and behold, it seems that I've never insisted there were
>such ETs, I just insisted that Venus locals or perhaps visiting ETs at
>some point in time had managed a little creative decor worth of rather
>obvious revisions upon that otherwise hot and nasty terrain which still
Liar -- what do you think the acronym "ET" stands for?
[rest of regurgitated guth babble flushed]
Brad Guth
brown-nosed minion like "Art Deco" going to use for WMD in order to
stop whatever comes next?
Obviously you've got absolutely nothing to show us that proves squat is
even natural. Why is that?
I've already said that the 1:1 of 36 looks/pixel of an 8-bit/pixel
image did my photon processing brain just fine and dandy as is, yet
even a minor 3X photoshop rendition that essentially gets it back to
being similar to the 75 m/pixel and still having those original four
looks of 8-bits/pixel is certainly far better pixel truth worthy than
your cellphone camera that sucks and blows while taking all of those
pictures of your MI6/NSA pecker going where no such pecker should go.
Tell us Art Deco; does your token-black "Condoleezza Rice" minion even
realize why her panties are continually down below her knees?
Or, is it the even bigger butt of Dick Cheney that's the focus of your
brown-nosed affection?
Of course in that case, with some modus effort you could certainly be
doing both of them at the same time, or are you too busy at being out
and about looking for another cross so that you're prepared just in
case you need to get those nice Romans to nail Jesus Christ once again
on your sorry behalf, much like our resident warlord(GW Bush) got
others to exterminate Russians and sacrifice a few too many Muslims on
his sorry behalf.
Art Deco
>Now that Venus Express is getting back into usenet topics, what's a
>brown-nosed minion like "Art Deco" going to use for WMD in order to
>stop whatever comes next?
>
>Obviously you've got absolutely nothing to show us that proves squat is
>even natural. Why is that?
>
>I've already said that the 1:1 of 36 looks/pixel of an 8-bit/pixel
>image did my photon processing brain just fine and dandy as is,
Still meaningless babble.
>yet
>even a minor 3X photoshop rendition that essentially gets it back to
>being similar to the 75 m/pixel and still having those original four
>looks of 8-bits/pixel is certainly far better pixel truth worthy than
>your cellphone camera that sucks and blows while taking all of those
>pictures of your MI6/NSA pecker going where no such pecker should go.
How does your shoe leather taste?
>
>Tell us Art Deco; does your token-black "Condoleezza Rice" minion even
>realize why her panties are continually down below her knees?
>
>Or, is it the even bigger butt of Dick Cheney that's the focus of your
>brown-nosed affection?
>
>Of course in that case, with some modus effort you could certainly be
>doing both of them at the same time, or are you too busy at being out
>and about looking for another cross so that you're prepared just in
>case you need to get those nice Romans to nail Jesus Christ once again
>on your sorry behalf, much like our resident warlord(GW Bush) got
>others to exterminate Russians and sacrifice a few too many Muslims on
>his sorry behalf.
Are you bucking for a Busted Urinal Award, guth?
[guth links flushed]
Brad Guth
I guess I'll have to restart this nifty topic with a much nicer entro
that tells the truth and nothing but the truth about the incest cloned
and extremely brown-nosed borgs of the Skull and Bones status quo that
sucks and blows at the same time, as they attempt to cover thy butts
and perform their brown-nosed minion cloak and dagger damage-control on
behalf of their resident pagan warlord(GW Bush) that sucks and blows
even worse.
Here's MOS outside the big and smelly box reasons as to "How did NASA
get it so wrong".
This sort of typical dumbfounded though otherwise honest contribution
from usenet member "Roy L" bothers the heck out of myself, in that
folks like this can't hardly save their own sorry butts by way of
merely thinking even a little outside the box, and of others within
this pro-NASA and thus damage-control usenet cesspool that sucks aren't
about to pitch in with anything that's the least bit positive.
The same goes for those articles posted with regard to the lunar sodium
atmosphere and of the Venus O2 layer that's considerable, as they were
summarily bashed and/or banished/ignored (sequestered away from public
view) simply because they obviously involved real hard-science that
doesn't quite jive with the NASA/Apollo bible.
There's not much question that our moon is either too cold and nasty or
simply too damn hot and super extra nasty (especially DNA/RNA wise) by
day. However, with applied technology is where at least the earthshine
surface environment should become short-term moonsuit manageable, and
for going underground has absolutely terrific potential. Otherwise our
moon is pretty much robot-city unless a substantial atmosphere (that
need not be breathable) can be artificially generated, as in
terraformed by way of pulverising the living crapolla out of our moon.
NASA formally unveils lunar exploration architecture
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.space.station/browse_frm/thread/93cd1f782dbce1bd/8ec99feeb3398343#8ec99feeb3398343
Roy L;
>IIRC, moon rock returned by Apollo was found to make fertile soil, but
>had too much of certain elements like sodium to use as is.
Sorry about all the reply updates, corrections and additions (it's the
best I can do under pressure and that of my having such a minion gap).
First of all, there's already megatonnes worth of perfectly good
moon-rocks as samples upon Earth. Where otherwise would all of those
horrific meteor impact shards have migrated to?
Secondly; it's relatively moon-dirt cheap (apparently clumping dirt
cheap none the less) per kg of robotically delivering the likes of beer
and pizza to the moon, however keeping those deliveries from vaporising
upon impact needs a little fly-by-rocket R&D polish.
Fortunately, there's always been enough of an atmosphere (starting off
with the upper most worth of what's mostly comprised of sodium, at 18r
being at times sunnyside-up worth better than 100 atoms/cm3 and
arriving near the surface with something better than 1e9 atoms/cm3 that
should include the likes of radon(Ra-222) as to utilize such extremely
large parachutes to their fullest advantage. Perhaps a chute opening of
1000 m2 per m3 of water delivery if it were well enough packaged and or
in a solid form (perhaps as having been surrounded by a layer of
tightly compacted dry-ice) that could at least somewhat survive the
fairly high velocity arrival. Within that ball of ice could be the
frozen pizzas and of course another keg of beer.
However, soon the Russians or Chinese will be able to lower lots of
tonnage at a time from the safety and security of their LSE-CM/ISS,
eventually transporting 100+ tonnes at a time (perhaps one of those
every hour, as in a tethered caravan of deploying one tether-pod right
after the other) as secured within nothing more than a locally
fabricated basalt/JB-WELD composite fabricated pod that'll ride
efficiently upon any one of the LSE tethers to/from the surface as
getting transfered away from of their CM/ISS (borg like sphere or just
"pie in the sky").
After all, we're only talking about a 64,000 km run that's 100%
robotic. At an average trek of 6.4 km/s = 2.78 hours from top to
bottom.
BTW; basalt sodium is less than 3.5%, whereas saltwater/seawater is
typically 10.8% (exceeding 33% at great depths), and there's certainly
lots of nifty stuff that manages to grow just fine and dandy at 10.8%
sodium.
Terrestrial seawater can become a little as 1% O2 saturated to that of
slightly better off than 10%, with the average near surface supporting
5+% O2 (supposedly gets another percent or so better off just a few
meters below the surface). Ocean dead zones (besides depth related
factors or their getting chemically and/or biologically polluted to
death) are also becoming those of vast dead-zones as for all of the
above reasons and perhaps a few that we still do not understand are
typically offering less than 1% O2 and, fortunately for the jellyfish
populations that have darn few predators nor all that much human
nutritional appeal seem to thrive within such zones of low O2
saturation, and thanks primarily to us humans as per jellyfish having
been getting their every best wish of not only much larger habitat
areas but, lots MOS ocean dead zones within which to thrive, although
our essential diatom populations seem somewhat in the toilet.
(diatoms are somewhat like Muslims, in that if you can't actually see
then dying off then "so what's the difference?")
Thus an underground/sequestered pond of a salty moon-lake or geode
pocket pool(s), along with some artificially piped in photons of
350~450 nm should do quite nicely if starting off by having something
better than 1% O2 saturation to work with. Add microbes and then allow
a billion diatoms/m3 to coexist and I believe that O2 saturation should
easily exceed 10% if not better than 25% at 0.1 bar. Otherwise, at
least moon jellyfish should like it even if there's hardly enough
saturated O2 or pressure for keeping that sort of environment from
vaporising. Therefore 0.1 bar (1.47 psi) should more than do that trick
unless it gets too damn hot, of which being sufficiently underground
should keep that water (especially salty water of which the moon should
already have a wee bit left over from when it was once upon a time an
icy proto-moon of 4000 km) from boiling or freezing solid.
Raw basalt fibers of 4.84 GPa as easily extracted from nearly pure
terrestrial and/or of lunar basalt of perhaps 3.1 g/cm3 (as having been
processed into a fiber density of 2.7~2.75 g/cm3), contains little if
any carbon, but still offers these primary elements:
SiO2 58.7
Al2O3 17.2
Fe2O3 10.3
MgO 3.82
CaO 8.04
Na2O 3.34
K2O 0.82
TiO2 1.16
P2O5 0.28
MnO 0.16
Cr2O3 0.06
Found another topic/article (pay per view): Salt-loving bugs could
survive on other worlds
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.bio.evolution/browse_frm/thread/1a18919d6372491a/c6551b9407fd71b5?lnk=st&q=moon+microbes+seawater&rnum=4#c6551b9407fd71b5
*The Commentator*
What did we tell you about whining, badgut?
Don't forget, we OWN your worthless ass, k00k.
Now, post another pointless meltdown screed.
*The Commentator*
>
Did your cohort Alexa tell you she has a size 36 ass to match your 36 IQ
points?
*The Commentator*
>
Yup, you are looking for a Busted Urinal.
Brad Guth
That's all you've got?
MOS LLPOF and brown-nose ology that sucks and blows.
Do you think that honest folks don't realize what absolute pathetic
freaks you guys are?
*The Commentator*
>
Same old shit from badgut the k00kbitch!
Brad Guth
Ignoring what's obtainable and of dog-wagging humanity upon whatever's
not obtainable certainly demands the "high standards and
accountability" sorts of qualified roboposting from hell because,
that's all you've got left to work with. Which is a darn shame because
your being such a supreme anti-ET and thus anti-God sort of guy sets
the bar out of reach for so many others that are just learning from the
bottom up as how to brown-nose suck and blow as well as the pros.
This is part of what I think you've got going for yourself (besides
lots of energy related investments);
It's all about the money. If science happens, that's OK too, but it
really doesn't matter.
If truth in any way diminishes or shares the money, then the truth be
damned.
If evidence in any way diminishes the money, then screw the evidence.
If people are getting in the way of the money, exterminate them.
If topic/author stalking, bashing and/or banishment is not doing the
trick, send in the incest clones of the rusemaster roboposters, and let
the disinformation and flak begin to fly. Otherwise honest folks might
stop to think that the supposed village idiots as myself are actually
and always have been saying something that matters.
*The Commentator*
>
See? What did I tell you, badgut? We post one line, you post an illucid
k00kscreed. You are SO owned.
Brad Guth
a perfectly good series of questions that beg a few honest answers, and
that's even if the best you can muster is that of a humanly subjective
answer as based upon the regular laws of physics, of whatever's the
best available hard-science, soft-science and then sharing your honest
best efforts of deductive reasoning or perhaps observationology that's
possible to deliver.
In spite of whatever certain anti-ET and thus anti-God (aka flat-Earth)
freaks have to say, or rather to topic/author stalk and continually
bash down upon, I believe there's absolutely nothing on the map that's
any more Earth like than Venus, at least not that's within physical
probe range and capability, extremely affordably obtainable none the
less.
I'm thinking that if the likes of a Venus planet were as such to become
a newly discovered exoplanet as of today, such as being situated
exactly as close to an identical sun and for being just as clouded, as
such all of astronomy/astrophysics holy hell's worth of talents and
resources would be busting lose in order to probe about and/or into
that sort of nifty environment, and the sooner the better, especially
if it were so easily probe accessible and technically survivable as
Venus.
As to further suggest upon a perfectly viable sub-topic to this "What's
actually HOT and NASTY about Venus?" or that of "NASA Takes Giant Step
Toward Finding Earth-Like Planets" and/or that of whatever's becoming
related to the Venus Express mission; I happen to be one of the
pro-ET/ETI fools that believes Venus = Nearest Exoplanet other than
Earth.
Jonathan Silverlight;
>" Probes from the Pioneer Venus mission discovered that, below the
>clouds, the atmosphere contains about 0.1 to 0.4 percent water vapor and
>_60 parts per million_ of free oxygen. These components indicate that
>Venus may have had abundant water at one point early in its history,
>water that has since been lost."
<http://www.pbs.org/lifebeyondearth/alone/venus.html>
At 90+ bar and good temperature, 0.4% H2O is actually representing
quite good amount for what's been having to coexist below them
relatively warm by daytime and somewhat cooler nighttime clouds. I
wonder as to what the mid~upper cloud bank has to spare in H2O?
At least from the Sirius or whatever's a sufficiently nearby ET/ETI
perspective, whereas the likes of Venus offers the next best and
perhaps hottest ticket in town.
By hot I do not mean to even remotely suggest insurmountably hot, just
humanly butt naked hot and actually not all that nasty because, of
whatever the terrific pressure that's quite biologically adaptable to
and, the lack of free-H2O that's somewhat less adaptable for us Earthly
heathens that usually operate our best upon cold beer, though otherwise
being so much safer if that local H2O element is not freely associated
with the mostly CO2 atmosphere nor otherwise anywhere near the sulphur
dusted surface, that is unless it's sequestered within certain types of
geothermal related lava or mud-flows which most of us village idiots
that would most likely have by then been well into drinking a great
deal of beer, whereas these Earthly beer-gut fools would probably still
remain as sober enough as to avoid getting directly involved with such
hot and nasty geothermal stuff.
~
Life on Venus includes your basic Township, Bridge & Tarmac:
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-town.htm
Russian/Chinese LSE-CM/ISS (Lunar Space Elevator)
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/lunar-space-elevator.htm
A few other sub-topics of interest by; Brad Guth / GASA-IEIS
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-topics.htm
William Mook
> William Mook,
> If it's at all possible to keep your mainstream spermwear from
> terminating my PC,
Um, your characterization of knowledge is bizarre. As far as keeping
things from appearing on your PC - might I suggest you not read or post
to these newsgroups? That would certainly end your exposure. But,
alas, this last suggestion - sound as it is - is likely not to be acted
upon.
> as such I'll try to address at least portions of
> what you've contributed without my going usenet postal if at all
> possible.
Not responding at all would be quite preferable to all.
> I'll even quote and give you the fullest of credits for these
> terrific words that are seeming of what you honestly think makes
> everything under your sun that shining down upon your flat Earth all
> better regardless of the truth.
Um, no one mentioned flat earth sir. That you believe they did says a
lot about your mental state.
> First of all, your feedback seems perfectly creditable and, as usual
> you seem focused upon anything except that of Venus,
Right - since I wasn't talking about Venus in my reply - Venus wasn't
mentioned.
> our moon or God
> forbid the Sirius star system.
Well, legends of the Dogon people - and the early missionaries who
infected them with the ideas they later repeated - have very little to
do with Venus or how humanity will make use of the solar system in the
coming decades and centuries.
> Instead, you've focused upon my limited
> understanding and/or misunderstands of politics and perhaps of the
> religious basis and/or bias by which our government manages to keep
> taking from the poor and giving to the rich (at least that's been the
> end result).
Again, this has little to do with planetary exploration or space
development - whether true or not. Casting aspersions on our
government or anyone's government is designed to promote emotional
feelings rather than rational discourse.
> I'm assuming that you're not one of the poor.
Poor and rich are relative terms. Anyone 3x richer than you you would
consider rich. Anyone 1/3rd poorer than you you would consider poor.
Thus, someone making say $90,000 per year would consider someone making
$300,000 per year rich, and someone making $30,000 per year poor. The
one making $30,000 per year would consider the other two rich, and the
one making $300,000 per year would consider the other two poor.
The terms used this way are designed to promote emotional feelings -
and not really advance reasonable discourse.
There is another usage of the term poor - that's a person or a people
who is laboring as subsistence level or less. Those folks by
definition wouldn't have comptuters or access to the internet. So,
perforce, neither one of us are poor by that usage of the term. But
again, bringing up 'the poor' in this context is nonsensical - unless
one understands that everything you say is directed toward highly
emotional outbursts that are unpalatable as they are untenable -
designed as far as I can see to derail any reasonable discourse about
space travel, space development and so forth.
> I've only used the term/phrase "village idiot" as associated with
> myself because, that's what most of your mainstream status quo seems
> focused upon getting others and of the media in general to think is the
> case.
That you think the mainstream media or the media in general gives one
whit about your insane rants says a lot about your mental insability.
> Whereas I believe the only village idiot aspects that I truly
> know of were those in which I've tried nicely to enlist the likes of
> our NASA and of other supposedly honest folks from the very get-go,
I think deep down you are saying you know you are an idiot and are
projecting all that stuff onto others.
> as
> that was certainly being extremely village idiotic of myself to think
> that our NASA or of those associated would so much as give an honest
> tinkers damn about whatever is situated upon Venus.
Well, first you have to be honest with yourself, and then you have to
engage in reasonable thought. You have done neither - so at the get go
you are at a severe disadvantage.
See, there are honest reasonable people who study the planets and the
stars and ETI, and so forth - who truly believe that Venus has not life
on it - native or otherwise - and truly believe there is not compelling
evidence for UFO visitations on Earth today - and truly believe the
Dogon tribe learned of the conditions on Sirius by early missionaries
and later incoroprated that information into the oral history of their
tribe. You have to be honest enough with yourself to understand that
reasonable people can disagree about what things mean - and have sound
and solid reasons supporting those beliefs - even if they don't comport
with your enthusiasms.
You are not knowledgeable enough to understand the soundness of the
beliefs held by those who oppose yours - nor logical enough - to
understand what is required of a real honest to God proof. I would
suggest reading Polya's HOW TO SOLVE IT - a great easily readable book.
So, putting these two things together - your lack of appreciation of
real science, and your ignorance of real proof - causes a disconnect
between your thought process - based on enthusiastic wishing about
modern day legends of lights in the sky - and real scientists - based
on the best available interpretation of the best available evidence.
You want to believe so much in your pseudo science - and are unwilling
or unable to understand the lack of other's enthusaism for it - that
you jump to the erroneous conclusion that there's some vast conspiracy
to cover up the truth that you've somehow penetrated.
This of course feeds your vanity - and feels good no doubt. But you
are filling the internet with what amounts to noise.
> Thus I've come to agree with the rather dismal prospects that our own
> government and whatever Skull and Bones cultisims within are very much
> afraid of their allowing the public to knowing the truth about much of
> anything that truly matters.
The United States and its allies are one of the richest and most open
and free societies ever to exist in the history of mankind. Your
characterization of our culture as something quite different is
ludicrous.
All great powers have secrets to keep. The United States is a great
power. So, it no doubt has secrets to keep. Being an industrial and
technical society, some of those secrets relate to industry and
technology. Since space technology and long range missile systems have
a lot in common - some of those secrets relate to space systems.
Also, in the modern age - it is important that political discourse not
be allowed to devolve to the point of civil war, or to open any
weakness that could be exploited by a dedicated adversary. To that end
I can imagine the possibility of a domestic intelligence arm dedicated
to the control of the range of discourse within the United States.
This would be along the lines of infowar as practiced against an
adversary. If such an agency or operation exists within the United
States it would likely be very careful of maintaining the freedoms and
openess of our culture. The evidence of this is apparent - assuming
such an agency or operation exists - given the openess and freedom of
our present western culture.
One book that's an interesting read on this subject is Noam Chomsky's
MANUFACTURING CONSENT.
> Thus if the internet/usenet infrastructure
> isn't already sufficiently chuck full of your MI6/NSA spookology and
> disinformation-R-us infomercials, perhaps it should be.
I am certain that any agency or operation dedicated to say limiting the
proliferation of nuclear weapons technology - has the internet marked
as one possible source - and there are likely means in place to limit
the exchange of controlled information. It is also very likely that
these controls are very sensitive to the need to maintain free and open
discourse.
> Unfortunately, with private fiber-optic and satellite based internet
> channels and pathways running amuck, chances of spooks keeping their
> smelly perpetrated cold-war lids on tight isn't exactly a sure bet
> these days.
Well, that's another point. A dedicated spy organization that wanted
to get at US nuclear weapons technology fer instance - would not use
the internet - again, any real deal agency would know this and dedicate
the appropriate resources to the appropriate risks. Which means that
it is less likely, not more likely, that spooks are among us. It would
be low level at best - motivating a few crazies to fill the sensitive
areas - such as sci.space. with their garbage - and getting flame wars
started and going - would suffice.
>
> The not so "hypothetical infowar agency dedicated to carrying out
> anti-proliferation missions" may be simply doing the best they can
> under the difficult circumstances of a growing WWW that's obtained more
> viable channels and pathways than you or I can shake a flaming stick
> at.
I doubt it given that real spies would likely use other means as you
point out - and most resources would be dedicated to that.
> In other words, I believe they're accomplishing about the best
> damage-control they can manage without spilling more of their
> perpetrated cold-war jars as having been chuck full of those ricin
> castor beans.
Probably not. Its not even clear that infowar techniques are in wide
use against the US public by the US military or intelligence - although
its easy to see how a low level of operation could be justified -
especially after 9/11.
> >I often wonder what Brad does that he has so much time to
> >devote to his own disinformation efforts here.
> What's to wonder?
What you do for a living?
Lookit, you have posted dozens of bazillion word rants across all the
sci.space topics I'm intersted in. That takes time - even if you were
a monkey pounding the keyboard randomly. Time you don't have to devote
to a job.
> All that you have to do is call (253)8576061, or email,
Marine Design & Services
4410 Se Nelson Rd
Olalla, WA 98359
You work there? Do you have a lot of time on your hands?
What do yo udo exactly? I couldn't find any information on the company
- and I didn't want to pay for a D&B report.
> or forbid
> actually usenet contribute whatever's sufficiently on-topic by way of
> your providing a little of your all-knowing expertise, as to share and
> share alike, that is as long as those MI6/NSA MEN-in-BLACK aren't going
> to take you and your entire family out of the picture for merely
> allowing something of what's still taboo/nondisclosure to becoming
> publicly posted, or perhaps merely allowing someone other to
> accomplishing the task is being just as good if not better (just as JFK
> or those nice Taliband and Osama bin Laden types that accomplished some
> of our best USSR bashings).
THis is totally nonsensical do you know that? Maybe its some sort of
toxic substance you inhale in your work? Work a lot with fiberglass?
> >Still, it leaves us in a bit of bind trying to figure out exactly how
> >those of us who enthusiastically seek real progress in space technology
> >can join together usefully against the ravings of such people as Brad -
> >whether employed as a infowar operative or not!
> What possible bind, unless you mean the bind of your having to share
> the truth and nothing but the truth?
Um - dealing with the nonesense you spew nonstop - that's the bind.
> Once again, you've said it all without sharing upon one damn on-topic
> thought, viable notion or conjecture about our moon, Venus or upon
> whatever's I've suggested might be worth discussing, thus taking
> whatever out of context as per only what suits your ulterior motives
> and hidden agenda mindset, proving that I'm right and best of all,
> proving that you're either part of the original problem or simply
> another fool that's snookered and/or sufficiently dumbfounded so that
> you and your extremely brown nose can't possibly figure out which way
> is up. Of course, if you wanted to prove me wrong, as such by
> contributing something/anything that's on-topic (doesn't even have to
> be a positive thought as long as you've got a viable reference backing
> yourself up) might actually do the trick.
Well, if I read you right - I really don't have much to contribute to
your tripe since its clear that Venus is too damned hot, and the
atmospheric pressure too damned high to be of practical economic use
any time soon. I do think that its orbit could be changed over time,
or by use of advanced nanotech or biotech, combined with engineered
asteroidal impact, its environment could be changed over time - but its
not something that can be useful any time soon.
So, for a long time we'll merely be observing Venus - even when we've
cities on Mars and colonies in space.
> BTW; Your rather limited cloak and dagger efforts as to disqualify my
> position(s) and individual worth is additional proof-positive that I'm
> sufficiently right and you're not.
About what exactly? That there are alien colonies on Venus? That they
derive from Sirius star system - based on legends told about the Dogon
tribe in Africa? You think that's correct? Well, I think you're mad.
And anyone with an ounce of knowledge about any of these topics would
see that you are mad as well.
Now, this madness could be forgiven if you treated others with respect
and decorum. But you do not. You rant and rave and call names and
fill all available bandwidth with your madness. Which does nothing
except turn reasonable people away from reasonable discourse about
sci.space. topics to which you post.
> Better luck next time around, such
> as when your disinformation and/or evidence exclusionary highway is
> overflowing with MOS mainstream status quo infomercial crapolla, thus
> having more than their fair share of what's been running humanity amuck
> that can be tossed at stopping my ulterior motives and hidden agendas
The effect you have on reasonable rational discourse is clear. The
lack of impact you have in promoting your mad ideas is also clear.
That you spend so much time and effort filling the bandwidth with
madness without any positive effect on your message is obvious.
> (oops, it seems that I do not have such ulterior motives nor any hidden
> agendas, thus perhaps I also have a serious brown-nose minion gap).
Your inability to appreciate the basis of another's belief is the root
of your inability to persuade anyone - and is what makes what would
otherwise be an odd idea - a madness in you.
> Perhaps I could barrow a few of your brown-nosed minions,
Again - statements designed to enrage negative feelings- rather than
promote reasoable discourse.
> thus I could
> work independently on getting my research appreciated and thereby
> privately or foreign funded in spite of those having such better and
> more important things to be doing.
Hmm.. research is either valid or it is not - provably so. Again that
pesky idea surrounding proofs. If you have evidence that proves your
thesis - one's appreciation of such research is not a political or
emotional process - but a logical one. If you lack such proof - you
can't call the results of your efforts scientific research.
> I wonder what's better off than
> establishing the LSE-CM/ISS, or that of dealing with whatever's still
> alive and kicking on Venus?
Madness.
> BTW No.2; Right back at you, as I'm assuming that can I utilize your
> "Flood any discourse with the shouting of buffoons"
I'm attempting to engage in reasonable discourse. You are filling the
bandwidth with incomprehensible foolishness.
> as to discrribing
> exactly how it is that my ongoing research has been consistantly bashed
> and/or banished by your mainstream status quo buffoons
Read Polya's book - he describes the truth table for the word IMPLIES -
which is at the root of proof.
> that suck and
> blow big-time at the same time?
I have not seen one iota of data or one particle of reasoned discourse
based on honest to God data.
>
> BTW No.3; I'm not even the least bit finished, as "I'll be back".
Why?
> ~
>
> Life upon Venus, a township w/Bridge & ET/UFO Park-n-Ride Tarmac:
> http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-town.htm
Yeah, and there's a face on Mars too - NOT
Hey, why don't you sit outside on any partly cloudy day and look at the
clouds in the sky. You'll see clouds that look like faces, like
animals, and even like townscapes. Of course NONE of this is EVIDENCE
of anything - except your creative ability to project meaning into what
is otherwise changing and random patterns of water vapor.
> The Russian/China LSE-CM/ISS (Lunar Space Elevator)
> http://guthvenus.tripod.com/lunar-space-elevator.htm
Hmm.. in the last URL you provided some 'proof' in the form of Venus
surface images - and arguing wrongly without any real knowledge - that
there was proof of cities there.
Here you just rant on and on about what the Russians have done -
without providing one iota of proof.
> Venus ETs, plus the updated sub-topics; Brad Guth / GASA-IEIS
> http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-topics.htm
Interesting theories - most not workable - not a lick of evidence for
any of it.
> War is war, thus "in war there are no rules" -
So?
> In fact, war has been
> the very reason of having to deal with the likes of others that haven't
> been playing by whatever rules, such as GW Bush.
Saying outlandish things about our president is another tactic to
create more emotional heat - and does nothing to advance rational
discourse about the topics you pretend to be interested in.
A careful examination of any large set of complex images can yeild
interesting patterns - but whether or not they are scientifically
interesting requires a more complete understanding. You wrongly assert
that features on the surface of Venus, revealed by sidescan radar taken
from orbit by Magellan probes indicate positively that there is a
civilization on Venus. Others argue emotionaly as well that there was
an ancient civilization on Mars because they see a face on the surface
of that planet from satellite photos.
To believe that these sketchy images are proof positive that such
civilizations exist is odd. To rant on and on and on about it in the
absence of more solid proof - is madness. Just as believing a pattern
of burning on the bottom of a pastry is an image of Christ is odd, and
ranting on and on and on about it in the absence of more solid proof is
madness.
http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_1497433.html
Unusual or seemingly meaningful patterns abound around us - sorting
through them to determine which is truly meaningful and which not - is
an important aspect of operating as a sane and effective being in the
world.
You seem to have failed on several counts. I hope by pointing out my
take on your interminable rants I have helped somewhat.
Brad Guth
I sort of appreciate this sort of reply of yours, even though it's
rather extensive at keeping the prime topic as far off-track as
possible, and as usual you're certainly good at accomplishing such a
worthy task. Because you've offered so much to work with, as such it'll
take more than this reply in order to contribute with it badly
deserves.
>That you think the mainstream media or the media in general gives one
>whit about your insane rants says a lot about your mental insability.
keeping myself from going even further postal with my lose cannon
that's taking aim upon your private parts.
You above all have known damn good and well exactly what I've been
talking about all along, as once again all that you've contributed here
is MOS pagan NASA damage-control as proof-positive that others the
least bit outside of your box have been getting sufficiently right and,
that even I'm becoming more often than not right by way of my having
indirectly shown that you're simply out of viable options because,
you're no longer sufficiently right about much of anything that really
matters, especially obviously since you're not about to be sharing upon
anything that rocks your perpetrated cold-war good ship LOLLIPOP and
fleet of other mainstream boats.
To show or demonstrate that I'm not the one and only village idiot that
has been such a pesky messenger from hell, I've even taken an open
minded shine as to appreciating a few of the topics posted about little
old Mars (actually Mars seems geologically much older than Earth), that
which have been imposing notions that apparently Mars had what it took
for sustaining other life. Of course, for such an all-around anti-ET
sort of snooker-thy-humanity wizard as yourself, there's simply no
amount of hard-science or much less of any interpretations as
extrapolated from the works of others that'll prove that others and
myself have been the least bit right, thus a little more than
suggesting that you're not only wrong but having been a Usenet
rusemaster all along to boot.
The only aspects of anything that's "Mars Hoax" worthy is that this
Usenet that you personally have made so that it sucks and blows at the
same time, as keeping your brown-nosed troops as well as most of the
village idiot media as happy campers, at peace with continually wasting
our talents, resources and mostly wasting precious time that could have
been a whole lot better spent lying about Venus than about Mars, at
least as of nearly 6 years ago.
Island City, Mars
http://www.anomalous-images.com/mgs/islandcity.html
is actually one of the best all-around examples that's better than most
of what other has been identified as potentially artificial as having
been existing upon Mars, whereas this "Island City" image certainly
indicates as being a touch more than a little somewhat artificial
looking. It's as though having been clutivated with pathways, as for
having been growing whatever crops and, along with an assortment of
nearby foundation remains that are certainly good possibilities for
giving this location another look-see plus a whole lot of applied
PhotoShop for good measure.
This is however a fairly tight shot, meaning it offers a relatively
good but slight resolution of something greater than 1.5 meter/pixel.
Thus if this were the site of a 'once upon a Martian time' of what a
typical Mars community could have been, as such these were perhaps of
relatively smaller than human stature folks (possibly of Dropa/Dzopa
stature) that simply didn't need to construct anything of good size.
However, compared to what's been situated upon Venus isn't even a fair
contest, whereas "Guth Venus" has been offering at least 100 fold more
pixels and ETI associated patterns of a perfectly rational community of
what's been potentially artificial and certainly a damn sight bigger to
work with and, unlike a geologically dead planet that's sub-frozen and
lethal TBI onset that likely terminated most all forms of life upon
Mars that couldn't manage to dig deep, whereas with Venus there's no
apparent good reason(s) why the locals (exoskeletals or whatever
folks/ETIs) are not still there, at least by way of the regular laws of
physics and especially of their taking the fullest advantage of the
atmospheric buoyancy, the green/renewable energy that's everywhere and
as per efficiently migrating into each new season of the Venus
nighttime that's a bit more doable than not, made even easier yet by
the retrograde aspect of the Venus trade winds.
However, this topic of "What's actually HOT and NASTY about Venus?" is
still of what you and your KIND are avoiding like the plague. Just
because I (the original author) have taken up the responsibility and
privilege of returning the favor, adding a few mild rants of my own
choosing to boot, isn't giving the likes of yourself any free license
to stalk, bash and/or banish on behalf of cloaking the matter of fact
that you have absolutely no remorse to spare, much less a clean thought
nor hardly an honest bone within your entire body. If I the author of
this honest to God topic (that's me) says that you suck, you in fact
suck, it's that simple. If I could moderate this topic, as such I'd
merely exclude whatever you attempted to contribute, and if need be
have my Usenet server minion techs send your PC a good dosage of MOS
spermware to boot.
In spite of all the Hitler and Third Reich scum of the Earth that's
still engharge of most things that matter, life goes on regardless of
such incest cloned bigots and intellectual cesspools that keeps the
likes of such warm and fuzzy rusemasters or perhaps just dumbfounded
fools as yourself employed, happy as a clam and as mainstream
benefitted SOBs as can be expected, at least right up until involving
someone that's going a wee bit extra-postal by way of flying the same
big-ass aircraft you're riding within or that of utilizing such as for
taking out the very same building that you're sitting in as each
becomes toast, or simply as having been unfortunately involved with
those cloak and dagger MI6/NSA spooks making yet another one of their
unfortunate perpetrated cold-war mistakes by way of their taking out
the wrong TWA flight-800 that perhaps yourself and hundreds of others
so happen to be taking as their last vacation to hell via STINGER, as
having been launched at the wrong damn aircraft that obviously wasn't
even the one hauling the likes of Henry Kissinger's not so sorry
Christ-on-a-stick Jewish butt back to Tel Aviv.
>>All that you have to do is call (253)8576061, or email,
>>Marine Design & Services
>>4410 Se Nelson Rd
>>Olalla, WA 98359
>You work there? Do you have a lot of time on your hands?
>What do yo udo exactly? I couldn't find any information on the company
>- and I didn't want to pay for a D&B report.
Double-duh, as I'd said before that you're really good at keeping all
the media troops as happy campers as you proceed along the usual path
of avoiding the prime topic which isn't about myself, yourself or that
of anyone that sucks and blows as badly are does your mainstream status
quo.
BTW; that telephone number actually works and, I'm actually a real
person that actually gives a tinkers damn about humanity none the less.
How about yourself?
BTW No.2; Venus is by far NOT too freaking hot and much less nasty for
the likes of ETIs that actually have half a brain that's not as bigoted
and thus dumbfounded and/or snookered into the nearest space-toilet as
is yours.
Obviously you have never shown the least intent to explore what's
possible with regard to Venus, nor that of our once upon a time icy
proto-moon, or God forbid the Sirius star system because???????
For lord and rusemaster "William Mook", of what's possible doesn't
count, even if it's the real thing. Only phony baloney counts as much
as your having Christ on a stick counts for whatever's good and proper
by way of your "so hat's the difference" policy of "high standards and
accountability" that just so happens to suck and blow at the same time.
Thus regardless of whatever's physics possible and/or obtainable about
Venus is purely "William Mook" certified as taboo/nondisclosure, even
upon the notion of what once upon a time coexisted upon Venus is every
bit as off-limits as our moon.
There's certainly more to come, and lots more favors to return. I'll be
back!
~
Life on Venus includes your basic Township, Bridge & Tarmac:
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-town.htm
Russian/Chinese LSE-CM/ISS (Lunar Space Elevator)
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/lunar-space-elevator.htm
A few other sub-topics of interest by; Brad Guth / GASA-IEIS
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-topics.htm
Matt Wiser
>
Expecting to engage someone like Brad in rational discourse is a waste of time. Killfile him and be done with him. You post facts, he posts either insults or delusions. You post logic,
he posts paranoia. No sense knocking any sense into him (and I've had a pissing contest
with him, so I have firsthand experience), or anyone else like him. When someone considers
a hellhole like Venus a hospitable place that has had a past civilization, or idolizes a star
8.7 LY away, and considers any space science and astronomy that contradicts his rants
a hoax, you might as well throw in the towel and killfile him. I took some advice and did so; if
we'd all do it he'd go away. (Preferably into a padded cell and a straightjacket, which is where
he belongs)
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Brad Guth
Clearly you suck and blow a bit more than your fair share. I've
checked, and it seems that you're 100% anti-ET and thus anti-God to
boot, yet spouting along that "rational discourse is a waste of time".
How freaking odd because, it seems that "rational discourse" as based
upon the best available hard-science and otherwise upon the regular
laws of physics is all that I've ever contributed, and of all that I'd
expect replies upon. Even the "rational discourse" of deductive
reasoning as based upon entirely subjective observationology is still
what matters unless we have to listen to the intellectual flatulence of
"Matt Wiser" that's anti-whatever's under his one and only sun that's
shining down upon his flat and apparently Godless Earth.
>idolizes a star 8.7 LY away, and considers any space science and
>astronomy that contradicts his rants a hoax,
Too bad that "Matt Wiser" hasn't a freaking clue about other multi-star
solar systems.
Matt Wiser can't appreciate that Venus is seriously alive and kicking
from the inside out. That must be why he stripped the crossposting that
I'd previously established for good reason.
It's true that thick clouds help to retain such thermal energy, and
thick clouds plus a mostly CO2 atmosphere also contribute to the IR
influx retention that has to then be conducted downward some 50+km
worth, which is why so gosh darn little of the solar influx of IR ever
reaches the surface. According to a good many talented expertise in
physics and science, it seems having a global albedo of 0.75~0.8 is
actually what's been keeping Venus somewhat solar cool, and the entire
atmospheric density having been an ocean of a nifty buffer zone keeping
the nasty solar and cosmic radiation away from whatever life (local or
ET) that's taking advantage of surviving upon Venus. In fact, there's
less harmful solar and cosmic radiation upon Venus than Earth, and it's
not even nighttime dark to a good nocturnal eye.
NOTE: hard-science proves considerable thermal energy leaves Venus than
having been solar contributed. Venus is thereby not getting itself
hotter nor even holding it's own.
Folks not unlike "Matt Wiser", "Jonathan Silverlight" and "Martin 53N
1W" that'll take to roboposting their pagan NASA bible/kroan by their
having to quote chapter and verse upon reciting that Venus is, has
always been and will remain as "hot enough to melt lead" are every bit
as snookered as they come, if not having become incest dumbfounded and
just as much without a stitch of remorse as our resident warlord(GW
Bush) was about WMD. Apparently they all missed their physics-101 class
upon what pressure accomplishes for keeping a good lid upon many
substances, thus preventing those from boiling under such heat. This is
not to suggest that mere humans can stroll about butt naked, not that
the robotics as suited for Mars or even that of our moon is going to
stand a chance in hell of surviving upon Venus, although the technology
and necessary components that would survive quite nicely have existed
for exactly that sort of robotic application.
Hard-science by many having established that such a trapped amount of
heat as having been mostly geothermally tossed into the environment,
seems as though chances have been getting somewhat better than not that
it's not quite so terribly hot and nasty upon each and every km2 of the
surface of Venus.
Imagine certain portions of Venus at a relatively cool 600K (especially
within their extended season of nighttime), then start cruising about
in your rigid airship where at good altitude that just below them nasty
clouds and haze it's getting downright chilled outside at perhaps 400K,
or push the peddle to the metal (full H2O2/C12H26 + CO + O2 feeding
their 50 MW IRRCE power plant) in order to get your massive rigid
airship cruising sufficiently above them cool nighttime clouds, say
250+knots while at 75 km by night ott to do the trick of quite nicely
accomplish the task of making their more than ice-cold beer taste
pretty good.
Folks that keep insisting I'm the bad guy or the ultimate village idiot
messenger from hell (the sort of messenger that just will not go away)
are equally if not more so at fault for their supposed talents and
expertise not independently thinking inside or much less a little
outside or their own box, as a result they generally suck and blow at
delivering their form of intellectual flatulence once having cleared a
serious butt load of their usual mainstream infomercial crapolla as
having established their usual LLPOF pathway of the past, present and
future sins plus MOS disinformation, need-to-know and/or evidence
exclusions that'll have to remain as their priority No.1, and that's
seemingly their only flak tossing damage-control option for as far as
their intellectually bigoted eyes can see, much like upon their nearly
white-out moon that's apparently a barely dusty composite of the least
reactive elements in the universe, and being of where the regular laws
of physics nor even of whatever applied fly-by-rocket technology
documentation do not apply.
These rusemasters seem to forget that our NASA/Apollo fiasco was all of
our rotten eggs as having been placed in one perpetrated cold-war
basket, and it apparently worked almost better off than they'd hoped
for by nearly creating WW-III, although I certainly never once saw any
smoking USSR gun nor had I thought it was moral to have been causing so
much global collateral damage along with the subsequent carnage of so
many innocent as a direct result of our MI6/NSA, as having been
super-fortified along by our NASA/Apollo actions that certainly
included their grand ruse/sting of the century on behalf of the
snookering most all of humanity. Too bad them darn Muslims weren't
buying into any of it.
Instead of our having easily become intellectually and scientifically
focused upon accomplishing better science and of what's been easily
within our nearby space that's reasonably obtainable and affordable,
such as for actually accomplishing our moon, as for establishing the
LSE-CM/ISS that's entirely intended for the good of Earth-science,
astronomy and humanity, and that of further exploring the possibilities
of other ETI life as having at least once upon a time been associated
with life upon Venus, and perhaps even accommodating wisdom upon the
sorts of newish or old ETI life that could still be calling Venus home,
or at least their home away from home is what I believe could have
saved the day, as well as for salvaging our global-warming sorry butts,
and this certainly could have prevented the likes of 9/11 by way of
diverting our bigotry as well as the entire focus of humanity upon what
really matters. But lo and behold, no way are the powers that be going
to allow any external non-borg individual like myself, that's not any
significant part of their mainstream collective box, and especially if
I'm simply a bit too free of a soul to roam about the countryside so as
to possibly receive any credits whatsoever.
Thus it has recently become my humble opinion that our USofA government
and of nearly every associated agency within are willing coconspirators
whether they much like it or not, and otherwise just badly enough
complicit as to deserve having big aircraft smashing into their tall
buildings, and then some. Why on Earth the likes of WW-III hasn't
kicked butt, as much as I clearly do not understand this because, we
certainly seem to have become a bit more than deserving.
In spite of out ongoing fiascos, Venus Express may just end up putting
a new and improved spin on the same old hot and nasty aspects of what
Venus actually is all about. However, I'm thinking that there's still
room for a bit more of what we think we know of other life than limited
to what good old mother Earth provides, and of all the nearby places
that are potentially Earth-like (besides sufficiently massive and
aromatic moons like Titan, of which we've recently proven that it's
technically ETI/probe accessible), whereas Venus is certainly a
perfectly good one to reconsider as long as you don't land within an
active lava pit or some hot and nasty mud-flow, that if need be we
could actually get ourselves onto that humanly hot and nasty planet.
Our moon however sucks hard at the life as we know of it (I certainly
can't imagine other than deeply sequestered microbes having survived).
Of whatever's possible moon life or even as imported astronauts are
easily taken right out of the picture from the very get-go, whereas
even without our having to worry about impacting our way onto the
surface, if once having invented a viable fly-by-rocket lander and
subsequently survived that sort of arrival is when we'd next have to
somehow keep from getting our DNA quite nicely TBI past the point of
no-return (even banked bone marrow has limits), otherwise easily
pulverised or perforated through and through, and/or just having to
avoid inadvertently sinking ourselves entirely out of sight, as some if
not all of the above having been the unfortunate case with respect to
the demise of previous items deployed upon our moon that is quite dark
and dusty, offering extremely slight surface-tension, most certainly
reasonably reactive and otherwise you're certainly a wide open sitting
duck or pin-cushion/sappository for whatever comes along.
In either case, for Venus or the surface of our moon (especially the
raw solar influx side of our moon) are jobs well suited for robust
robots, at least that's the situation for our moon until suitable
access into underground habitats within hollow rilles or perhaps that
of utilizing an existing geode pocket is established on our behalf, of
which LUNAR-A being ready to deploy as of more than a decade ago was
supposed to tell us a great deal about what's below the lunar deck.
Venus could be just the opposite, of being a touch hotter underground,
at least within geothermal hot zones it may in fact be extremely hotter
underground than above the surface. To my best estimate, Ishtar Terra
offers 600K, of which at pressure is actually getting close to what a
sufficiently insulated soul might tolerate as long as there were a
sufficient cash of cold beer on tap, although a habitat or mobile bus
or best being that of a rigid airship having a shell of R-1024/m
composite basalt and silica should be just able to sustain whatever
internal temperature they'd like without all that much applied energy,
of which whatever amounts of energy is already there to behold in the
form of 4+bar/km and 10K/km of viable atmospheric differentials.
Thus the pressure and heat of Venus are each good for go, whereas the
cold and lack of available pressure upon Mars is a seriously bad sort
thing that's only much worse off for accomplishing our moon. For the
same reason Venus is Earthly/ETI accessible, so be it for Titan and
that of any other atmospheric benefited orb. Earth has barely enough
atmosphere, to the point where most of the potentially lethal NEOs are
in fact going to remain as capable of nailing us to a fairlywell, and
if it weren't the surrounding magnetosphere that's further shielding us
from solar and cosmic influx, we'd be summarily quite dead and gone in
no time at all. Venus having a good amount of atmosphere is offering a
win-win regardless of it being geologically newish and hotter than
hell, at least it's been technically accessible along with
green/renewable energy to spare, making Venus into a viable to/from
capability that's survivable even by our standards.
~
Life upon Venus, a township w/Bridge & ET/UFO Park-n-Ride Tarmac:
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-town.htm
The Russian/China LSE-CM/ISS (Lunar Space Elevator)
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/lunar-space-elevator.htm
Venus ETs, plus the updated sub-topics; Brad Guth / GASA-IEIS
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-topics.htm
War is war, thus "in war there are no rules" - In fact, war has been
Brad Guth
yet pagan NASA that you folks so frequently brown-nose love to death
but otherwise must hate with all of your heart because they usually
think that you're all such absolute idiots, whereas I just think that
you're sufficiently human and thus somewhat typically dumb and dumber
enough as to being easily snookered (like I was as of 6 years ago),
therefore thoroughly dumbfounded about nearly everything that rocks
your boat.
It seems as though their MESSENGER probe to Mercury sucks, though Venus
rocks, and the moon is still extremely dark and nasty
Their August 26th MESSENGER flyby of Earth was yet another
taboo/nondisclosure event.
http://messenger.jhuapl.edu/the_mission/flyby_movies.html
The onboard CCD cameras that have extremely if not enormous contrast
and/or range of accommodating the extra illumination of Earth and/or
Earthshine within the very same frame as accommodating stars (even the
sun can be safely accommodated without entirely eliminating other
significant stars), especially that illuminating prospect of having
easily included Venus and that of our moon as being within the same
frame as Earth, whereas another shot of Earth along with our moon plus
perfectly capable of that one incorporating the likes of capturing
Mercury near the sun, but not so much so near as to have kept the
camera from recording all three, as should have been doable, yet
clearly star removals were performed upon each and every one of the
publicly offered MESSENGER images.
Thus the grand old MI6/NSA~NASA/Apollo cold-war ruse/sting of the
century continues, and the likes of even "Eric Chomko" is still so
thoroughly snookered as to be buying into every brown-nosed bit of it,
as in hook, line and sinker.
They's avoiding getting our moon into the same frame as Earth because,
it'll only show us as yet another matter of fact of just how gosh darn
dark and nasty the albedo and terrain of our moon really is.
There are online orbital simulators of our solar system that'll prove
that I'm sufficiently right, and other resources upon the photon
recording capability of those CCD cameras and optics that'll support
the vast range and/or depth of brightness and extreme contrast, that
which these days isn't even CCD rocket science.
~
Life upon Venus, a township w/Bridge & ET/UFO Park-n-Ride Tarmac:
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-town.htm
The Russian/China LSE-CM/ISS (Lunar Space Elevator)
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/lunar-space-elevator.htm
Venus ETs, plus the updated sub-topics; Brad Guth / GASA-IEIS
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-topics.htm
SnuFF
> Dear brown-nosed roboposter *The Commentator*,
> Ignoring what's obtainable and of dog-wagging humanity upon whatever's
> not obtainable certainly demands the "high standards and
> accountability" sorts of qualified roboposting from hell because,
> that's all you've got left to work with. Which is a darn shame because
> your being such a supreme anti-ET and thus anti-God sort of guy sets
> the bar out of reach for so many others that are just learning from the
> bottom up as how to brown-nose suck and blow as well as the pros.
>
> This is part of what I think you've got going for yourself (besides
> lots of energy related investments);
>
> It's all about the money. If science happens, that's OK too, but it
> really doesn't matter.
>
> If truth in any way diminishes or shares the money, then the truth be
> damned.
>
> If evidence in any way diminishes the money, then screw the evidence.
>
> If people are getting in the way of the money, exterminate them.
>
> If topic/author stalking, bashing and/or banishment is not doing the
> trick, send in the incest clones of the rusemaster roboposters, and let
> the disinformation and flak begin to fly. Otherwise honest folks might
> stop to think that the supposed village idiots as myself are actually
> and always have been saying something that matters.
Why is it that so many ko0ks have malformed signatures?
lensman1955
I still have one question which you either haven't answered or if you
did, you smothered the answer in your retoric and I couldn't find it.
What are you basing your opinions on?
That's the question.
Your previous rants about cameras being inoperatable on the moon due to
radiation (at least, that's what I think it was about. It was so full
of "incest Borg clone" references, it was hard to tell.) and now your
insistence that Venus is not as hot and inhospitable as we're being
told.
What are you using for data?
Incidently, Venus could be easily as hot and nasty as scientists
presume and still be home to some sort of ET life. But you certainly
haven't managed to prove anything beyond any sort of questionable doubt.
Brad Guth
>I still have one question which you either haven't answered or if you
>did, you smothered the answer in your retoric and I couldn't find it.
starting this off rather badly with your usual LLPOF status quo right
off the bat.
>What are you basing your opinions on?
Humanly subjective observationology, as in applied deductive reasoning
as further backed up with a good many hard-science related findings of
what others have had to say, and certainly of being supported by those
regular laws of physics. How about yourself?
>Your previous rants about cameras being inoperatable on the moon due to
>radiation (at least, that's what I think it was about. It was so full
>of "incest Borg clone" references, it was hard to tell.) and now your
>insistence that Venus is not as hot and inhospitable as we're being
>told.
Dear Mr. way out of context rusemaster, as usual and you've still got
it dead wrong,
That's odd because, it seems that I've never stipulated that cameras
and/or film was "inoperatable on the moon", just should have been
rather badly affected along with spectrum skewed results that had to
have included a good number of secondary/recoil photon issues (visible,
UV and hard-X-rays worth), that should have been real pesky considering
the hours of such TBI butt-naked and otherwise optically unfiltered
exposures, not to mention a few image size and location of mother Earth
as being too small and insufficiently above the horizon come to mind,
not to mention the 55+% average albedo that's a none-color of 50/50
portland cement and cornmeal which goes off in all directions for as
far as their unfiltered Kodak eye could record, with some of their
surface areas reaching 65+% albedo upon some documented area of the
moon which can't be spotted from their own orbiting obtained images nor
as of any efforts since.
Unless you have intentions of using unfiltered Kodak photon physics as
any basis of a foundation on behalf of your arguments, then as such you
haven't got squat to work with. The same goes for the ongoing
disinformation as to the very latest of CCD forms of MESSENGER images
being so much less than they can be, those of a naked Earth w/o moon,
w/o other planets nor so much as a single star anywhere in sight. I'm
thinking they should have ductaped a free cell-phone camera to
MESSENGER.
MESSENGER SUCKS, Venus rocks, the moon is still dark and nasty
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sci.planetary/browse_frm/thread/1f2ba57f6141a6b0/01e39205f6adf605?lnk=st&q=brad+guth&rnum=1&hl=en#01e39205f6adf605
>What are you using for data?
Among many things related to our moon, it seems KODAK and a bloody host
of what myself and amateur astromomers have since accomplished, plus
even a few extract from the official NASA/Apollo archives and, there
certainly has been other officially obtained color images from orbit
that haven't exposed anything except MOS dark brownish albedo and nasty
dust covered moon that's sufficiently naked enough as to being quite
reactive to boot. Not half bad for a once-apon-a-time icy proto-moon.
With regard to Venus; I'm still using Magellan and previous mission
data, terrific results from teams KECK, BAA and a dozen or so works as
having been created by the likes of FW Taylor and John Ackerman.
>Incidently, Venus could be easily as hot and nasty as scientists
>presume and still be home to some sort of ET life. But you certainly
>haven't managed to prove anything beyond any sort of questionable doubt.
What with all the third degree of "beyond any sort of questionable
doubt"?
Is there or is there not a factor "beyond any sort of questionable
doubt" with regard to Mars?
How about "beyond any sort of questionable doubt" that's associated
with respect to Titan?
I'd have to say that neither Mars nor Titan are even up to their being
bad candidates for local or ET forms of life, but certainly still
technically ET possible (after all, it seems we got there robotically,
thus how hard could it be for ETI?).
BTW; What's wrong with being wrong if it's extremely dirt-cheap and
there's no harm done?
Are you suggesting or rather imposing the notion that simply because
there's not been a large enough signpost that's readable from satellite
stipulating "KEEP OFF / NO TRESS PASSING on Venus", that as such
whatever looks more likely as artificial than not shouldn't be further
investigated?
Are you suggesting we should not only exclude upon whatever evidence
that taints NASA/Apollo but, toss out all the regular laws of physics
that might apply to Venus?
Remember that I'm not the village idiot that's insisting there's still
life to behold upon Venus, it's just that I can't hardly imagine why
they'd leave such a massive township and local tarmac simply because
it's been a little too damn geothermally hot and nasty as of recently.
If Venus were your one and only home, wouldn't you have given applied
physics a shot, even if that had to be a nighttime seasonal shot in the
dark?
Now then, can I get back into my usual rantings?
~
Life upon Venus, a township w/Bridge & ET/UFO Park-n-Ride Tarmac:
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-town.htm
The Russian/China LSE-CM/ISS (Lunar Space Elevator)
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/lunar-space-elevator.htm
Venus ETs, plus the updated sub-topics; Brad Guth / GASA-IEIS
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-topics.htm
Kurt Vonnegut would have to agree; War is war, thus "in war there are
no rules" - In fact, war has been the very reason of having to deal
Brad Guth
What say that it's an ET game of HIDE and SEEK?
I'll have to polish on this contribution, as I'm certain that I've
excluded some really nifty considerations, that which I'm pretty sure
others will either directly or indiirectly jog my three remaining
dyslexic brain cells into action.
If you were an ET that was out and about looking for a viable planet to
pillage and plunder, such as for obtaining rare minerals and especially
of atomic elements (thus you certainly wouldn't want an extremely old
planet), however per having an ample supply of ready-made
green/renewable energy at your disposal so that you didn't have to
deplete the onboard cash of energy that got yourself and whatever
motley crew into our solar system in the first place, and of those
choices become the threesome of Venus, Earth and Mars. Which one would
you pick?
Remember that you're already a space-traveling ET, thus if need be
could possibly make due on Titan, and you're not the least bit heathen
nor nearly as snookered and thus least dumbfounded, whereas chances are
that you and your crew actually know a little something extra about
applied physics and about the realistic limitations as to exactly how
much cold or hot and downright nastiness you can manage to survive upon
without your having to drag every last stitch of the entire expedition
along for the ride.
Remember that you'd want the least possible resistance from whatever
locals.
Remember that getting yourself to/from whatever orbit needs to be
energy manageable.
Remember that getting summarily pulverised out of nowhere isn't part of
your plan-A.
Remember about background and influx of lethal radiation that'll need
to remain as minimized.
Remember that you would not want yourself or montely crew getting
infected with lethal microbes.
Remember that even being space-traveling ETs, that you still have
biological and other limitations.
Remember that you'd like some privacy, keeping as much as possible out
of sight and thus out of mind.
Especially as much as possible out of the nearby heathen minds of such
absolute bigoted and arrogant fools that'll invent WMD just for another
perpetrated blood-sport and, as otherwise for the ruse of global energy
domination by way of taking the energy resources of what belongs to
others or, at least keeping such potentially affordable energy out of
the hands of competitive groups that might actually accomplish a few
too many good things.
~
Life upon Venus, a township w/Bridge & ET/UFO Park-n-Ride Tarmac:
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-town.htm
The Russian/China LSE-CM/ISS (Lunar Space Elevator)
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/lunar-space-elevator.htm
Venus ETs, plus the updated sub-topics; Brad Guth / GASA-IEIS
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-topics.htm
Kurt Vonnegut would have to agree; WAR is WAR, thus "in war there are
no rules" - In fact, war has been the very reason of having to deal
Brad Guth
hardly any atmosphere, thus easily pulverised and quite TBI to death?
This time I'm thinking just a little outside the box; What say that
it's been an ET game of HIDE and SEEK
This may be somewhat like "crop-circles" on steroids, with the
exception that I believe ETs are playing for real finders keepers.
However, since we're snookered and thus so dumb and dumber that we
can't even find Osama bin Laden, nor do we realize what an absolute
LLPOF SOB of a resident warlord(GW Bush) we have running us amuck,
thereby what chance in hell (perhaps literally) would we have of
uncovering even that of a somewhat massive ET operations as having
transpired upon Venus?
If you were an ET as having been sent on a expedition to a nearby solar
system, as in somewhat out and about looking for a viable planet to
pillage and plunder, such as looking for a viable orb as having rare
minerals and possibly the likes of diamonds, especially if interested
in obtaining atomic elements (thus you certainly wouldn't want an
extremely old Mars like planet that's already past its atomic half-life
and having a nearly dead core to boot), however if there was another
somewhat geologically newish planet as per having an ample supply of
ready-made green/renewable energy at your disposal might represent just
the ticket, especially if having so much spare energy that you didn't
have to deplete whatever your spaceship and/or spaceplane had of
essential get-home energy (possibly He3/Deuterium fusion), that or
perhaps just having a good inventory of Radium(Ra226)-->Radon(Rn222)
being of a fairly powerful ion thruster fuel, the same energy that got
yourself and whatever motley crew into our solar system in the first
place. What if those choices of pillagable planets became the threesome
of Venus, Earth and Mars. If you had to pick; Which one would you most
go for?
Remember that you're already a good million or so years more advanced
than us humans, thus seasoned space-traveling ETs, whereas if need be
you could possibly make due on Titan, and since you're certainly not
the least bit heathen nor nearly as snookered and thus least
dumbfounded, whereas chances are that you and your crew actually know a
little something extra about applied physics, and you'd think the
realistic limitations as to exactly how much cold or otherwise hot and
downright nastiness you can manage to survive upon without your having
to drag every last stitch of the entire expedition requirements along
for the ride. In other words, it would be darn nice to getting situated
upon a planet where the likes of having surplus green/renewable energy
is essentially everywhere you'd care to settel in for the next 100,000
years.
Remember that you'd want the least possible resistance from whatever
locals.
Remember that getting yourself to/from whatever orbit needs to be
energy manageable.
Remember that getting summarily pulverised out of nowhere isn't exactly
part of your plan-A.
Remember about background and influx of lethal radiation that'll need
to remain as minimized.
Remember that you would not want yourself or your montely crew getting
infected with lethal microbes.
Remember that even being space-traveling ETs, that you still have
biological and certain other limitations.
Remember that you'd like privacy, keeping as much as possible out of
sight and thus out of neighboring minds.
Especially important, as much as possible keeping your expedition of
whatever operations out of sight and thus out of the nearby heathen
minds of such absolute bigoted and arrogant fools that'll invent WMD
just for justifying yet another perpetrated blood-sport of a war and,
as otherwise for their pretentious ruse of global energy domination, by
way of taking the energy resources of whatever belongs to others or, at
least keeping such potentially affordable energy out of the hands of
any competitive groups that might actually accomplish a few too many
good things at less than 10% the cost.
Therefore, in ET/ETI terms of which planet to plunder and pillage; is
it going to be Mars, Earth or Venus?
~
Kurt Vonnegut would have to agree; WAR is WAR, thus "in war there are
no rules" - In fact, war has been the very reason of having to deal
with the likes of others that haven't been playing by whatever rules,
such as GW Bush.
Life upon Venus, a township w/Bridge & ET/UFO Park-n-Ride Tarmac:
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-town.htm
The Russian/China LSE-CM/ISS (Lunar Space Elevator)
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/lunar-space-elevator.htm
Venus ETs, plus the updated sub-topics; Brad Guth / GASA-IEIS
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-topics.htm
William Mook
Brad Guth wrote:
[snip]
> Our moon however sucks hard at the life as we know of it (I certainly
> can't imagine other than deeply sequestered microbes having survived).
[snip]
http://science.nasa.gov/newhome/headlines/ast01sep98_1.htm
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/national/science/daily/daily/oct99/spacebugs4.htm
Bookman
>In article <1128123723....@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>, "Brad Guth" <ieisbr...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Dear brown-nosed roboposter *The Commentator*,
>> Ignoring what's obtainable and of dog-wagging humanity upon whatever's
>> not obtainable certainly demands the "high standards and
>> accountability" sorts of qualified roboposting from hell because,
>> that's all you've got left to work with. Which is a darn shame because
>> your being such a supreme anti-ET and thus anti-God sort of guy sets
>> the bar out of reach for so many others that are just learning from the
>> bottom up as how to brown-nose suck and blow as well as the pros.
>>
>> This is part of what I think you've got going for yourself (besides
>> lots of energy related investments);
>>
>> It's all about the money. If science happens, that's OK too, but it
>> really doesn't matter.
>>
>> If truth in any way diminishes or shares the money, then the truth be
>> damned.
>>
>> If evidence in any way diminishes the money, then screw the evidence.
>>
>> If people are getting in the way of the money, exterminate them.
>>
>> If topic/author stalking, bashing and/or banishment is not doing the
>> trick, send in the incest clones of the rusemaster roboposters, and let
>> the disinformation and flak begin to fly. Otherwise honest folks might
>> stop to think that the supposed village idiots as myself are actually
>> and always have been saying something that matters.
>
>Why is it that so many ko0ks have malformed signatures?
In teh Guthball's case, I suspect that it is a by-product of his
malformed mind.
>
>> Life upon Venus, a township w/Bridge & ET/UFO Park-n-Ride Tarmac:
>> http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-town.htm
>> The Russian/China LSE-CM/ISS (Lunar Space Elevator)
>> http://guthvenus.tripod.com/lunar-space-elevator.htm
>> Venus ETs, plus the updated sub-topics; Brad Guth / GASA-IEIS
>> http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-topics.htm
>> War is war, thus "in war there are no rules" - In fact, war has been
>> the very reason of having to deal with the likes of others that haven't
>> been playing by whatever rules, such as GW Bush.
Hi, Guthball! Still guzzling "spermware"?
ESL!
--
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"****SPV....... So yes I am an idiot."
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Brad Guth
>Expecting to engage someone like Brad in rational discourse is a waste of time.
certainly are "a waste of time".
Something very 'Sirius like' has illuminated the environments of mother
Earth and every other planet within our solar system each and every
105,000 (+/- 5000) years worth. What other is out there that comes even
remotely close to the requirements?
Certainly if our solar system has previously orbited to within 0.086 ly
is suggesting upon just the best available ticket that fits the pattern
of the sorts of long-term cycles of which Earth has gone through, that
which you can't manage to prove me wrong, so apparently topic/author
bashing is your one and only game. If you've got another worthy star
system or sufficiently massive exo-solar system in mind, please do
share, as in put up or shut up.
Of course, if our moon was once upon a time that of an icy proto-moon,
and having been cruising itself much closer to Earth, as such the 75+%
albedo and nearness should have been impressive and rather illuminating
as long as the salty ice lasted. Actually with an evaporating icy
atmosphere is suggesting 80+% albedo that should have lasted for quite
some time. At least that could have accounted for one of the many
global thermal and illumination influx cycles.
Speaking about the TBI nasty situation of being even near the moon and
much less walking upon the moon.
I'd suppose if you'd like being Mr. ultra conservative (even though
it's closer to a millirem/day) give the measured secondary/recoil
dosage that's specifically of hard-X-rays as derived off the reactive
moon as being worth just one extra microrem (0.000001 rem) per day as
measured by ISS instruments.
Then because the Van Allen zone is such an expanse that represents a
significant shield or buffer zone worth a conservative attenuation
factor of at least 100:1 makes the first half distance basis of
available TBI dosage amount to 400e-6 rem/day at being situated 190,000
km away from the solar illuminated deck of the moon, with the remainder
of the distance strictly a ratio of increased TBI dosage increase as
based upon the square of the distance (each half distance = 4 fold
increase in TBI dosage).
380,000 km = 1e-6 rem/day
190,000 km = 400e-6 rem/day
95,000 km = 1600e-6 rem/day
47,500 km = 6400e-6 rem/day
23,750 km = 25.6e-3 rem/day
11,875 km = 102.4e-3 rem/day
5,938 km = 409.6e-3 rem/day
2,969 km = 1.638 rem/day
1,485 km = 6.552 rem/day
742.5 km = 26.2 rem/day
371.3 km = 104.8 rem/day
185.6 km = 419.2 rem/day
Thus even at 1 microrem/day that's impacting ISS or any other satellite
as having derived hard-X-rays off the solar reactive moon, and if going
into orbiting mode within 1r (1738 km) off the lunar deck is worth
nearly 6 rem/day. Even dividing that dosage in half because of your
orbiting the moon makes it worth 3 rem per day while orbiting 1738 km
off the deck. Of course, since this is almost entirely solar influx
generated and the sun itself is anything but a constant, thus if the
starting point of this measurement was actually based upon the extra
millirem/day instead of the extra microrem/day, as such you're now
looking at the orbiting dosage of 3,000 rem or 30 Sv/day that's of
hard-X-rays being external to your spacecraft as derived upon average
off the reactive moon.
Naturally our NASA/Apollo missions were so much closer than 1738 km off
the deck (roughly 100+km off the deck), and for those supposedly upon
the deck were obviously getting summarily TBI nailed real good. Of
course that's not possible if you'd taken the NASA/Apollo bible into
account because, we're only off by a factor of a few thousand to one.
>Eric Chomko; Hence the need for a spacesuit.
The "spacesuit" should certainly help keep your blood from boiling and
your piss from being sucked out thorough your brown nose, and it'll
otherwise keep a sufficient supply of O2 on tap, along with keeping out
the thick and nasty dust that likely doesn't offer more than 5 g/cm2
worth of surface tension. However, of whatever's arriving at even
3+km/s or of the secondary/recoil worth of hard-X-ray TBI dosage isn't
hardly standing a chance of not penetrating that moonsuit from every
which way but lose.
>You teaching physics and astronomy and claiming that we didn't land on the
>moon reminds me of a fat guy trying to teach physical fitness by eating
>and claiming to be the ultimate role model.
If you have anything that independently proves that we've walked upon
the moon, thus having safely fly-by-rocket landed upon the moon and
having taken all of those unfiltered Kodak moments without any hint of
spectrum skew nor otherwise having been the least bit impacted by the
harsh secondary/recoil worth of surface energy, then please do just
that.
If our supposed laws of physics as to the square of the distance can
not be applied as to that of our moon, such as for the sunny-side-up
radiation dosage that ott to be the case, then please do inform us
village idiots as to what sort of conditional laws of physics does
apply.
Is the Van Allen expanse of 70,000 km worth something better off than a
100:1 reduction in hard-X-rays, or isn't it?
Is the square of the distance as equally applied to secondary visible
photons as well as to hard-X-rays, or isn't it?
BTW; I'm more into asking than teaching, unless sharing the truth and
nothing but the truth is such a bad thing. For everything I think that
I know for certain, I have dozens of questions because, I know that I'm
on a need-to-know basis and as such I can't possibly realize enough to
be teaching anyone what's what. I am more than suggesting that our NASA
isn't sufficiently all-knowing, thereby suggesting they missed a thing
or two about Venus that simply couldn't be allowed to becoming public
by the likes of myself, thus at all cost there has been this
orchestrated effort as to stalk, bash and/or banish the likes of
whatever I have to share.
~
Kurt Vonnegut would have to agree; WAR is WAR, thus "in war there are
no rules" - In fact, war has been the very reason of having to deal
with the likes of others that haven't been playing by whatever rules,
such as GW Bush.
Life upon Venus, a township w/Bridge & ET/UFO Park-n-Ride Tarmac:
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-town.htm
The Russian/China LSE-CM/ISS (Lunar Space Elevator)
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/lunar-space-elevator.htm
Brad Guth
as usual another wall of dyslexic encrypted words.
~
Kurt Vonnegut would have to agree; WAR is WAR, thus "in war there are
no rules" - In fact, war has been the very reason of having to deal
with the likes of others that haven't been playing by whatever rules,
such as GW Bush.
Brad Guth
Thanks once again for those two leads, of terrific though somewhat
passive take-it or leave-it information, all of which I'd already known
about for years. Thus nothing new under the NASA perpetrated cold-war
sun, at least nothing that in any way impacts your grand rust/sting of
the century, or upon having mentioned anything on behalf of Venus. If
the moon and Mars are supposedly technically microbe survivable, then
certainly there's an even greater white-hope for Venus (meaning that
them Venus microbes had better be DNA compatible with us white folk, or
else). I wonder why it is that folks of rich colour and Muslims none
the less are among those not involved to any extent with whatever's our
NASA moderated version of space, other planetary or moon science?
Is all that's NASA/Apollo strictly a white and often Jewish DNA/RNA
quest that's exclusive?
How many members of your MI6/NSA~NASA Skull and Bones cult are of any
colour and/or Muslim?
http://science.nasa.gov/newhome/headlines/ast01sep98_1.htm
"The 50-100 organisms survived launch, space vacuum, 3 years of
radiation exposure, deep-freeze at an average temperature of only 20
degrees above absolute zero, and no nutrient, water or energy source."
Even though this official analogy of extreme life having supposedly
survived upon our moon, yet those reports having excluded upon the
extremely harsh hard-X-ray plus so many other spectrums of potentially
lethal raw TBI factors that must have existed upon the moon (at times
several Sv by the hour), never the less this seems to support ESA's
Venus EXPRESS conjectures that certain upper-cloud microbes from Venus
could have survived their solar-wind driven trek that's of a relatively
short-haul of 40e6 km each and every 18 months (at the average velocity
of merely 80 km/s = 139 microbe butt-naked hours of usually being
nowhere near to any hard-X-ray generating orb, such as our reactive
moon). Although, if there were any cosmic morgue as hosting whatever's
dead and/or dying worth of interplanetary trekking microbes, as
seemingly a few billion/m2 worth of such, plus hosting a few of those
flying diatom remains as solar-wind blown away from Venus, that would
certainly have to be upon the naked cosmic jackpot depository and
gravity collection surface of our dark and nasty moon.
BTW; at least that "earth.jpg" offers a terrific shot of mother Earth
and of the typically extremely dark and nasty looking portion of the
moon as equally fully solar illuminated:
http://science.nasa.gov/newhome/headlines/noever_pix/earth.jpg
All of those words as having been related to whatever Apollo-12 did or
didn't accomplish has to be taken at their word because, there's still
no independent hard-scientific proof that either of those missions
obtained their goals, therefore all science related to the lunar
surface remains at risk, especially since the only USSR obtained near
surface image of our moon was of just one taken 100 some odd meters off
the deck, whereas their much newer and considerably more AI/robotic
advanced fly-by-rocket landers having impacted and/or sank entirely out
of sight and thus out of action.
BTW; you can NOT go all the way to the moon with a payload of such
terrific cameras, best available optics, various Kodak films that are
extremely near-blue and near-UV as well as UV-a sensitive and never
once having obtained a few images of Venus. Even at high noon is when
them stars and other planets are twice as vibrant as from viewed at
nighttime upon Earth, plus there's certainly more available near-blue,
near-UV and especially UV-a energy than what the human eye sees,
whereas the unfiltered Kodak eye sees and records just fine and dandy.
http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/0103/surveyor3_ap12c.jpg
http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immagine:Conrad_%28Apollo12%29_e_il_surveyor3.jpg
"Left, Above: Astronaut Pete Conrad (photographed by crew mate Alan
Bean) inspects Surveyor 3's camera assembly. Surveyor 3 landed on the
moon on April 20, 1967, at 2.94° S, 23.34° W in Oceanus
Procellarum.On Nov. 12, 1969, Conrad and Bean piloted the Apollo 12
Lunar Module (background) to a landing 156 m (512 ft) away."
There's so freaking much that's Kodak moment dead wrong about that
image that it reaks of disinformation-R-us and of evidence exclusion on
steriods. Here's MOS moon surface disinformation-R-us that doesn't in
any way match up to even the above image of the surrounding lunar
terrain.
http://www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/apollo/catalog/70mm/magazine/?46
This first roll of film is simply chuck full of those xenon
illumination hot-spots or else there's selective zones of
retroreflective moon-dirt (nicely surface tension clumping soil at
nearly 100 g/cm2 none the less, and hardly a meteorite and/or lunar
basalt impace related shard in sight, much less of what should have
been dark and of a deep brownish of carbon/soot, iron and titainium
composite color).
http://www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/apollo/catalog/70mm/magazine/?47
Please take a brief notice as to the nifty and reasonably believable
images as having been obtained from orbit, of such a nicely dark
brownish moon that's of a low albedo as being 100% solar illuminated.
Once upon the deck it's become more or less looking 50/50 portland
cement/cornmeal like, of hardly any depth of dust, with what little
dust clumping rather nicely at 100 g/cm2. Then once back up in the sky
is when the very same moon becomes that rather nasty dark brownish tint
again. Of course while situated upon the deck there's MOS of those
pesky Xenon lamp spectrum worth of hot-spot as illuminated zones at
otherwise nearly zero surface color and never once any hint of
near-blue, near-UV nor as much as 1w/m2 worth of UV energy as photons
that should have been easily photo-recorded by such unfiltered Kodak
moments.
http://www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/apollo/frame/?AS12-47-6896
http://www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/apollo/frame/?AS12-47-6897
Here's another good one of many showing the extremely slight soil depth
with as usual hardly a meteorite nor secondary lunar impact shard worth
of anything in sight (apparently all of the nasty edged and albedo dark
stuff as having been imaged from orbit vanished, having lost all of the
dark albedo natural colour to boot), and keep noticing the apparently
high amount of surface tension that's related to Surveyor-3, whereas at
most I'd say it compressed at any one deepest point less than 10 mm
before each relatively small pad area having nicely supported a third
of the robotic lander mass. A little odd that they'd also ran entirely
out of their fancy color film inventory before getting around to
checking out this nearby Surveyor-3.
http://www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/apollo/frame/?AS12-48-7112
~
Kurt Vonnegut would have to agree; WAR is WAR, thus "in war there are
no rules" - In fact, war has been the very reason of having to deal
with the likes of others that haven't been playing by whatever rules,
such as GW Bush.
Brad Guth
Wow! this is getting impressive.
Besides all of your intellectual incest crapolla, now it seems as
though I've got two different GOOGLE/NOVA formats of usenet to deal
with. One having their 'Sorted by date' as situated at the upper right
corner where it belongs and, within the other new and supposedly
improved format having it somewhat hidden at the bottom right of each
page-full of topics.
You'll have to check this out folks, as in seeing for yourself as to
all of the new and improved usenet topic jamming that works best under
this new usenet page format. Allowing topic roboposting to be running
amuck and, there's seemingly no apparent end in sight unless you're
smart enough to figure a few things out.
If I post something new or otherwise merely contribute and/or update
anything, suddenly there's dozens of those damage-control crapolla
topics dumped upon this supposedly new and improved usenet format.
Perhaps the same happens when others contribute to any one of my
topics. Let us see what transpires. Most of these other topics are not
active by way of other contributing, as they're just dumped so as to
top-fill the usenet index.
I've posted a fresh topic: MICROSATELLITES; how small? How cheap?
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.space.policy/browse_frm/thread/cf44a7ab4ce942aa/15eccc6145a7dfe6#15eccc6145a7dfe6
This should become crossposted within:
sci.space.policy,sci.space.history,sci.physics,sci.astro,alt.news-media
Perhaps at this going rate, I may have a few more of those
multi-terabyte usenet hard drives chuck full in no time at all.
~
Kurt Vonnegut would have to agree; WAR is WAR, thus "in war there are
no rules" - In fact, war has been the very reason of having to deal
with the likes of others that haven't been playing by whatever rules,
such as GW Bush.
Bookman
wrote:
Ko0k Guthball,
Don't forget that man has walked on the moon, repeatedly. All of
your frothing ko0kspew and incestual fantasies about fictional
creatures featuring you guzzling sperm while being raped by
non-existant "disinformation aganets" won't change that fact.
Kurt Vonnegut doesn't agree with you. There are no aliens on Venus,
either. HTH.
Brad Guth
You're offering us village idiots MOS crapolla, holding onto your
scripted pagan NASA/Apollo line of thou shalt not rock thy boat,
especially not thy good ship LOLLIPOP that as much pro-Jewish as it is
anti-Muslim.
BTW; Kurt Vonnegut does absolutely agree that your beloved GW Bush and
of anyone associated sucks and blows big-time because, they're all
nothing but a wild ass pack of certified LLPOF borgs that have no
morals nor a gram of remorse within their combined/collective soul
that's owned by the devil himself. Did I forget to mention that you
also suck and blow to the very same tune.
Bookman
wrote:
>Bookman,
>You're offering us village idiots
Who are the other villiage idiots, Guthball? When did they elect you
to speak for them?
>BTW; Kurt Vonnegut does
Not agree with Brad Guth, despite his dishonest LLPOF k'lames to the
contrary. HTH.
I see you're still upset over the fact that men walked on the moon,
Bradley. Do facts always get you all worked up like that? No wonder
you can't tolerate science, and are left making stuff up as a (poor)
substitute.
Brad Guth
I'm not upset that we've supposedly "walked on the moon" because
apparently we haven't, and you certainly can't prove squat otherwise.
Thus you're the dripping brown-nosed minion SOB that's upset that you
can't manage to assimilate the likes of myself, which means that you're
a big-ass failure as a MI56/NSA~CIA spook gets.
Why don't you take your extremely Jewish brown-nose right back into
your pagan GW Bush and Dick Cheney buttology cesspool of their Skull
and Bones GOOGLE/NOVA/NASA think tank, as right about now they're
running a wee bit low on the sorts of mainstream crapolla which you
seem to have more than your fair share to offer.
Actually, Kurt Vonnegut agrees with a whole lot worse things than I've
had to offer, and his stuff gets published. Too gosh darn bad there are
thousands of others having published articales and books worth against
your paganology that sucks and blows.
Too bad the regular laws of physics supports the independent
hard-science about our moon.
Bookman
wrote:
>Lord Bookman says what again and again?
Your inability to read is not my concern, ko0kboi.
>
>I'm not upset that we've supposedly "walked on the moon" because
>apparently we haven't,
LLPOF, since there is the testimmony of many that men did walk on the
moon, and loads of evidence, and the fact that "giant conspiracies"
such as the one you propose, never work.
Your LLPOF k'lames to the contrary serve only to strengthen the
factual evidence. Thanks.
>and you certainly can't prove squat otherwise.
Your rejection of the facts does not serve as proving the facts to
be wrong, Guthball.
>Thus you're the dripping brown-nosed minion SOB that's upset that you
>can't manage to assimilate the likes of myself, which means that you're
>a big-ass failure as a MI56/NSA~CIA spook gets.
False accusation, as to be expected from a LLPOF "apollo hoax" ko0k,
since that's what AHK's do when confronted with the facts.
>
>Why don't you take your extremely Jewish
I'm not a Jew, bigot.
>brown-nose right back into
>your pagan
I'm not a pagan, bigot.
>GW Bush and Dick Cheney buttology cesspool of their Skull
>and Bones GOOGLE/NOVA/NASA think tank, as right about now they're
>running a wee bit low on the sorts of mainstream crapolla which you
>seem to have more than your fair share to offer.
>
>Actually, Kurt Vonnegut
Kurt Vonnegut doesn't agree with you, liar.
But it is nice to see your frothing lies, when you are confronted with
the fact that men walked on the Moon. Do continue.
Brad Guth
Yet another mainstream status quo cesspool worth of the same old
crapolla, and as far off-topic as usual to boot.
>Your rejection of the facts does not serve as proving the facts to
>be wrong, Guthball.
That's odd, because I'll accept anything that's of hard-science as
having been backed up with the regular laws of physics. So, why is it
that your brown-nosed pagan NASA/Apollo crapolla has to utilize so much
evidence exclusions and those conditional laws of physics?
Wouldn't you like to share and share alike?
BTW; why the heck do you suppose that your Third Reich MI6/NSA~CIA and
of your GOOGLE/NOVA/NASA mainstream status quo serviced usenet that
sucks and blows big-time is still (no lie) hard at work delivering
their spermware into my PC?
Brad Guth
enmic...@hotmail.com
Jonathan Silverlight
enmic...@hotmail.com writes
>Ah Brad the Bigot a new lower and filithier incarnation
>Bookman wrote:
Nothing.
Top posting and not snipping will get you into a lot of kill files, but
I'll just note that you're doing exactly what this troll wants -
noticing him.
Brad Guth
>Ah Brad the Bigot a new lower and filithier incarnation
>Bookman wrote:
>Jonathan Silverlight;
>Nothing.
>Top posting and not snipping will get you into a lot of kill files, but
>I'll just note that you're doing exactly what this troll wants -
>noticing him.
Apparently using hard-science and of those regular laws of physics
makes one a bigot. Thus you must think that Einstein was a bigot, and
that Bush/Cheney are Gods.
Apparently taking a liking to nice and honest folks is also a from of
"Jonathan Silverlight" and "enmicab" qualified bigotry. Imagine that,
all of the good portions of humanity are bigots because they don't
pillage and plunder our environment nor sufficiently lie about nearly
everything under the sun in order to best punish and exterminate
Muslims.
BTW; why the heck do you suppose that your Third Reich(Skull and
Bones) MI6/NSA~CIA and of your warm and fuzzy GOOGLE/NOVA/NASA
mainstream status quo serviced usenet that sucks and blows big-time is
still (no lie folks) hard at their brown-nosed work of delivering their
best spermware into my PC?
Brad Guth
~
Kurt Vonnegut would have to agree far beyond; WAR is WAR, thus "in war
Bookman
wrote:
>>enmicab;
>>Ah Brad the Bigot a new lower and filithier incarnation
>>Bookman wrote:
>
>>Jonathan Silverlight;
>>Nothing.
>>Top posting and not snipping will get you into a lot of kill files, but
>>I'll just note that you're doing exactly what this troll wants -
>>noticing him.
>
>Apparently using hard-science and of those regular laws of physics
>makes one a bigot.
Nope, since you are a bigot and you have nothing to do with physics
or other "hard" sciences.
>Thus you must think that Einstein was a bigot, and
>that Bush/Cheney are Gods.
Interesting lies, Guthball. Do you have to practice to be such
a LLPOF, ko0kboi?
>
>Apparently taking a liking to nice and honest folks is also a from of
>"Jonathan Silverlight" and "enmicab" qualified bigotry. Imagine that,
>all of the good portions of humanity are bigots because they don't
>pillage and plunder our environment nor sufficiently lie about nearly
>everything under the sun in order to best punish and exterminate
>Muslims.
>
>BTW; why the heck do you suppose that your Third Reich(Skull and
>Bones) MI6/NSA~CIA and of your warm and fuzzy GOOGLE/NOVA/NASA
>mainstream status quo serviced usenet that sucks and blows big-time is
>still (no lie folks) hard at their brown-nosed work of delivering their
>best spermware into my PC?
>
>Brad Guth
>~
>
>Kurt Vonnegut would
Not agree with a ko0k like you, despite your lies to the contrary.
Bookman
wrote:
>Lord almighty Bookman,
Didn't I tell you to grovel more, Guthball?
>Yet another mainstream status quo cesspool worth of the same old
>crapolla, and as far off-topic as usual to boot.
That's to be expected from a ko0k like you.
>
>>Your rejection of the facts does not serve as proving the facts to
>>be wrong, Guthball.
>That's odd, because I'll accept anything that's of hard-science as
>having been backed up with the regular laws of physics.
And yet you reject all the photographs, all the testimony of the men
who went there, all the film, all the broadcast media, and the
moonrocks that those men brought back. And I'm sure there's
more factual evidence that I'm missing. All of it backed up
"hard-science", backed up by the laws of physics. And you reject it
all, because you're a hoax-ko0k.
Not to mention your belief that all the Apollo missions were a "giant
hoax" (crapolla, in your words.) Since there are no "giant hoaxes",
the factual evidence and the historical record stand.
>So, why is it
>that your brown-nosed pagan NASA/Apollo crapolla has to utilize so much
>evidence exclusions and those conditional laws of physics?
Nice lie, GuthbaLLPOF. I'm referring to real science, not your
pseudoscience.
And I'm not a pagan, bigot.
>
>Wouldn't you like to share and share alike?
>
>BTW; why the heck do you suppose that your Third Reich MI6/NSA~CIA and
>of your GOOGLE/NOVA/NASA mainstream status quo serviced usenet that
>sucks and blows big-time is still (no lie) hard at work delivering
>their spermware into my PC?
Yes, it is a lie on your part, GuthbaLLPOF. Whatever malware you
happen to be downloading into your system, it has nothing to do with
me.
Brad Guth
extremely brown-nosed and incest cloned borgism of your Third Reich
mainstream status quo (aka pack of liars),
OK already, apparently according to "Bookman"; Kodak photon physics is
entirely bogus, the moon isn't the least bit reactive, there's hardly
any moon-dust, and of what little dust there is of such and extremely
slight surface tension is somehow clumping rather bone-dry nicely at
roughly 100 g/cm3, and the likes of whatever's real hard-science and of
the regular laws of physics simply don't count for squat.
Exploiting the Moon and saving the Earth
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.space.policy/browse_frm/thread/75d6c3946bb77a85/b97b7413a622178f?lnk=st&q=brad+guth&rnum=7&hl=en#b97b7413a622178f
Sorry "Space Cadet" and other folks; even though I essentially agree
with and would support the broad scope of your entro suggesting that we
should exploit our moon, though I do believe there's an even better
solution that's not based upon this one which begs a human response
because, it makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.
http://www.physorg.com/news6342.html
How much radiation awaits lunar colonists? A new NASA mission aims to
find out
"We really need to know more about the radiation environment on the
Moon, especially if people will be staying there for more than just a
few days,"
Please try to inform us village idiots as to why on Earth is there any
further question whatsoever about the lethal aspects of the lunar
radiation environment?
After all, didn't we send several robotic instruments as satellites and
of those supposed AI/robotic fly-by-rocket landers, each having been
loaded to the gills with our utmost best possible instruments and thus
obtaining months worth of essentially live data prior to even one
supposed moonboot step upon the moon? Didn't each of those Apollo
missions and especially of their moonsuit EVAs include more of the same
TBI recordings as to the nature of such energy spectrums that included
the natural background and of the secondary/recoil worth of them
hard-X-rays? Why apparently NOT folks.
Therefore, why exactly do we even need this "Cosmic Ray Telescope for
the Effects of Radiation (CRaTER)" telling us anything?
I too had once upon a time thought that we(NASA) pretty much had all of
those TBI dosage detections and a good handle upon the various
spectrums worth those energy levels down pat, as in been there and done
that technology way before we ever took that supposed step upon our
rather unusually dust-free and otherwise highly reflective lunar
surface. I'd though that we also had the likes of human hairs and of
their own bodily organs to boot that oddly proved our moon was anything
but reactive, thus proving that much of the regular laws of physics
were bogus, meaning that Einstein and so many others really suckered us
good.
Reverse math simply doesn't work if you must believe all that's within
the NASA/Apollo Koran.
http://www.physics.isu.edu/radinf/natural.htm
Cosmic Radiation of 27 (mrem)/year hits any given person thus per m2 of
Earth's surface.
That's obviously after having migrated all the way through our nasty
Van Allen expanse that's good for at least a 100:1 factor of radiation
moderation, as well as for the equivalent of having survived the
equivalent of penetrating those 50 x 18 mm layers of lead which our
atmosphere represents as our best hard-X-ray shield. As to how much of
that "Cosmic Radiation of 27 (mrem)/year" is specifically of hard-X-ray
as contributed by way of the secondary/recoil of such X-ray photons
from our moon remains somewhat need-to-know and/or as
taboo/nondisclosure and thus as unknown as it gets because, we seem to
have absolutely no independent hard-science nor of anything as having
been obtained from lunar surface deployed instruments, and of our NASA,
DoD and USAF satellite data is essentially data encrypted so as to mean
anything you'd like to make of it.
It's as though we're having to deal with exactly what liars do best,
they lie.
Generally, once a study has been accepted as published under the
moderation and agenda rules of whatever's our NASA/Apollo Koran
certified is when this same information gets reutilized and republished
in so many other forms as having no other independent research
associated, thus no verification whatsoever as to any of their numbers.
If we attempt reverse engineering as to discover the amount of what 27
mrem/year represents as to what that sort of influx dosage amounts as
per being situated outside of our highly protective atmosphere, as this
is where it gets real interesting.
It takes 18 mm(0.7") of solid lead that's good for a material density
of better than 11.3 g/cm3 in order to cut the hard-X-ray dosage in
half. Whereas if given 50 fold worth of doubling in dosage becomes a
very significant DNA snuffing multiplier factor of 112e12:1
If merely 0.1% of that 27 mrem/year is related to what's having been
derived off our moon, as such that's all the way down to 27
microrem/year which is merely .074 microrem/day, which seems somewhat
insignificant until we apply the math as based upon the surface of
Earth being shielded by a metric tonne/m2 plus our environment having
the Van Allen expanse on top of that, which has certainly become a
whole lot more TBI worthy than I'd been using for my estimates, as
having been based upon starting off at 1 mrem/day worth of moon
contributed dosage while situated at 384 km above Earth, therefore
residing well below the Van Allen badlands. Whereas I'm also especially
conservative since I'm sticking with a basis of what a full-moon
contributes and where the other side of this argument is clearly based
upon their averaging at not more than having a 50% solar illuminated
moon as from the perspective of mother Earth receiving whatever
secondary/recoil worth of such hard-X-rays having been specifically
contributed by our moon. In other words, I'm being the good guy in this
argument.
Of course, other than for those intending upon specifically
accomplishing the moon itself, most if not all of the planned human
space travels are those going away from our nasty sun, as well as for
going far away from our naked moon that's so gosh darn reactive,
especially keeping away from the solar radiated side that's sharing off
such a great deal of hard-X-ray dosage. No kidding folks, it seems the
solar impacted side of our moon is a good thousand fold worse off for
our DNA than is a lunar nighttime or earthshine illuminated moon, yet
there's still no mention nor any other NASA/Apollo certified science
that even so much as mentions that difference.
http://www.ufos-aliens.co.uk/cosmicapollo.html
"We really need to know more about the radiation environment on the
Moon"
No kidding folks;
It seems that we also need an understanding via hard-science as to raw
ice surviving in space, or even for that matter of surviving within any
near vacuum of 1e9 atoms/cm3, as perhaps being the most likely
underground environment upon our moon. Moon air that's populated at 1e9
atoms/cm3 isn't hardly worth much of anything compared to Earth air =
53e18 atoms/cm3, as that's 53 billion fold less to work with, which
isn't exactly a good thing if there's radiation that needs moderation
and/or whatever bits of debris to deflect or at least slow them little
and not so little suckers down prior to their final impact.
At what our NASA/Apollo dead-sea scrolls officially stipulates about
our lunar atmosphere being worth a messily 2e5 atoms/cm3, and if we're
to be going by way of those numbers, we could efficiently sustain
satellite orbits right down to their cruising just a few km off the
lunar deck, that is as long as they somehow managed to miss running
into the vertical terrain features as offered by such a topographic
range as +/- 8 km <http://www.astrosurf.com/avl/UK_download.html>. It
seems that the closer to the moon a satellite gets, the better off
their orbit becomes as nearly circular, thus capable of obtaining so
much better resolution of whatever their instruments are taking in. So,
if there's supposedly such a slight atmosphere, then why the heck is
SMART-1 along with its benefit of having that rather nifty Xenon-->ion
thruster so into keeping it's highly elliptical and thus mission
inefficient distance of transpiring from nearly 11 hours out to nearly
9 days per orbit?
Perhaps the sooner SMART-1 manages to run itself out of Xenon the
better, as at least then we'll get some reasonable data and best images
as it closes in on the moon.
We've also needed something/anything as to appreciating the raw
physical influx that's contributing to the cosmic morgue worth of such
absolutely nifty meteorites and of spore deposits that simply have to
be sequestered upon our 'once upon a time' icy proto-moon, that which
should also coexist along with all of that He3 element. Just like
there's been need for live readings as to the surface population of
Radon, Argon, CO2, Sodium and a good many other heavier elements as
they have managed to survive such a hellacious gauntlet from each hot
day after day throughout each sub-frozen night after night that keeps
cycling again and again, all the while taking a lethal solar and cosmic
licking because of having no magnetosphere of it's own and of
supposedly having such a slight atmosphere that's only long after the
NASA/Apollo mission having been detected as dispersed itself out to
14,000 km worth of such a relatively low density element of what the
likes of boiled off Sodium has to offer, and that's only 36 fold
greater expanse of such atmospheric elements than what mother Earth has
to offer. Of course there's also another taboo/nondisclosure worth of
the lunar sodium trail that extends out past 900,000 km, but whatever
we do, don't tell our NASA because, it seems their Apollo Koran offered
absolutely nothing about any such sodium, nor otherwise hardly anything
mentioned about the amounts of Radon(Rn222) that had to have been
floating right upon the raw solar illuminated surface.
Note that boiled off and thus vaporised sodium offers a damn hot
substance, at one bar melting at just 371 K (208 °F), although boiling
into becoming a suitable lunar atmospheric vapor takes 826 K (1027
°F), whereas obviously within the near vacuum of space that point of a
vapor phase is somewhat of yet another taboo/nondisclosure factor about
our moon. Actually, there's one heck of a lot we seem not to know for
certain about our moon.
BTW folks; - why the heck do you honestly suppose this incest Third
Reich MI6/NSA~CIA and of their GOOGLE/NOVA/NASA mainstream status quo
serviced usenet that's into so badly brown-nose sucking and blowing
big-time is still (absolutely no lie folks) hard at work delivering
their interactive spermware into my PC?
You think I'm kidding? I kid you not.
Brad Guth
The next "unmanned lunar landing" may need to be via extremely small
packages that'll orbit their way down to surviving their
impact/landings. In fact, a lunar rear-ender might prove most
interesting if having to deal with the vast sodium trail gaultlet as a
form of solar wind and micro-debris breaking.
MICROSATELLITES; how small? How cheap?
Doing it the usual hard and spendy way; The Cold Equations
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.space.shuttle/browse_frm/thread/0242fe5916af363c/dfcc92451db91145#dfcc92451db91145
tomcat,
Of that 92% of rocket fuel to orbit is NOT even of what it takes for
going to the moon and back, as that's more like 96~98+% of the total
package, leaving 2~4% for everything else, and it seems as though we
still have nothing as of today that'll come close to that requirement
unless your 20,000 deg. F. capable spaceplane that's 100% composite
becomes real.
http://www.physorg.com/news6341.html
"It's not part of the %92 of GLOW that is fuel burned during ascent to
orbit. It can't even be residual fuel carried by making the take-off
tanks slightly oversized, since these big tanks would be impossible to
keep cold during orbital flight and reentry."
"The second and third stages of the Saturn V actually achieved a dry
mass fraction of about 10%. But these are not complete spacecraft, only
expendable stages without payload or recovery gear."
Face it "tomcat" and to all others that still believe in the tooth
fairy, we never went to the moon (at least not in person), as your very
own math and recent links to other stuff proves there simply wasn't a
sufficient fuel capacity for delivering nearly 50 tonnes to our moon
and of safely getting those folks back, much less alive and without so
much as one new white hair.
For Christ almighty on another stick sake, we didn't even have a viable
fly-by-rocket lander way back then, and guess what else; we still
haven't squat to work with.
Is being continually dumbfounded and is per chance "snookered" your
middle name?
Drastically cutting the inert/dry mass of the SMEs/SRBs is a good
start, and of two staging them SMEs is step No.2. Step three is the
LRn-->Rn-->ION thrusting that doesn't exist because of all the
dumbfounded and thus backward mindset individuals like yourself.
BTW folks; - why the heck do you honestly suppose this incest Third
Reich MI6/NSA~CIA of yours, and of their GOOGLE/NOVA/NASA mainstream
status quo serviced usenet that's into so badly brown-nose sucking and
blowing big-time is still (absolutely no lie folks) hard at work
delivering their interactive spermware into my PC?
You think I'm kidding? I kid you not.
Brad Guth
~
Kurt Vonnegut would have to agree; WAR is WAR, thus "in war there are
Art Deco
>BTW folks; - why the heck do you honestly suppose this incest Third
>Reich MI6/NSA~CIA and of their GOOGLE/NOVA/NASA mainstream status quo
>serviced usenet that's into so badly brown-nose sucking and blowing
>big-time is still (absolutely no lie folks) hard at work delivering
>their interactive spermware into my PC?
>
>You think I'm kidding? I kid you not.
How many more times will you be posting this rant, Brad?
--
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Official Overseer of Kooks and Trolls in alt.astronomy
"The original human being was a female hermaphrodite with
both male and female genitalia."
"Human beings CAN NOT live in a solar system without a sun
with a ferrite core and a planet without a solid iron core."
-- Alexa Cameron, Kook of the Year 2004
"I am a sean being from another planet."
-- Darla aka Dr. Why aka Dr. Yubiwan aka ...
Art Deco
>This is what I'd recently shared with your Jim Oberg,
>The next "unmanned lunar landing" may need to be via extremely small
>packages that'll orbit their way down to surviving their
>impact/landings. In fact, a lunar rear-ender might prove most
>interesting if having to deal with the vast sodium trail gaultlet as a
>form of solar wind and micro-debris breaking.
What is "vast sodium trail gaultlet", Brad?
What is "solar wind and micro-debris breaking", Brad?
[guthdrool flush]
>BTW folks; - why the heck do you honestly suppose this incest Third
>Reich MI6/NSA~CIA of yours, and of their GOOGLE/NOVA/NASA mainstream
>status quo serviced usenet that's into so badly brown-nose sucking and
>blowing big-time is still (absolutely no lie folks) hard at work
>delivering their interactive spermware into my PC?
>
>You think I'm kidding? I kid you not.
Again?
Brad Guth
You're still brown-nose sucking your all-knowing way along. What part
of spook brown-nose-101 is this line of your pretend questioning all
about?
>What is "vast sodium trail gaultlet", Brad?
>What is "solar wind and micro-debris breaking", Brad?
Are you seriously interested in whatever I happen to know of,
especially when you've stipulated that the likes of yourself already
know of all there is to know?
BTW; why the heck do you suppose this Third Reich(Skull and Bones)
MI6/NSA~CIA and of all their warm and fuzzy GOOGLE/NOVA/NASA mainstream
status quo of their 'E-Men in BLACK' usenet that seriously brown-nose
sucks and blows big-time is still (no freaking lie folks) hard at work
delivering their best spermware into my PC?
Bookman
wrote:
>Art Deco,
>You're still brown-nose sucking your all-knowing way along. What part
>of spook brown-nose-101 is this line of your pretend questioning all
>about?
It's about demonstrating that you know nothing about "hard science",
Guthko0k. As your repeated rejection of the facts in preference of
your ko0ky notions demonstrates.
Nice ad hominems, BTW. They're getting to be a real Guthball
trademark.
>
>>What is "vast sodium trail gaultlet", Brad?
>>What is "solar wind and micro-debris breaking", Brad?
>Are you seriously interested in whatever I happen to know of,
>especially when you've stipulated that the likes of yourself already
>know of all there is to know?
Failure to answer the questions noted.
<Snip nonfactual ko0kscreed>
Bookman
wrote:
>My dearly snookered and thus dumbfounded fools of your very own
>extremely brown-nosed and incest cloned borgism of your Third Reich
>mainstream status quo (aka pack of liars),
Nice LLPOF pack of ad hominems, Guthball. It's what we[tinw]
expect from a hate-filled ko0k like you.
>
>OK already, apparently according to "Bookman";
Men went to the moon. Several times. They brought back moon rocks,
lots of still photographs, and motion pictures, and transmitted live
TV imagery and audio. All of which are demonstrated by factual
evidence.
"Apollo hoax" ko0ks like Guth ignore the facts in favor of their
"theories", often "supported" by complex (but inaccurate) technobabble
and "mathematics". They especially ignore the fact that large
conspiracies are not found in the real world. Just how many people
would it take to "fake" the nine Lunar missions, six of which landed?
For a start, there's the 24 men who went to the moon... No doubt
the "hoax believers" can add to that number.
There, now isn't that better than making up stuff that I didn't say,
but k'laming that I did, Guthko0k?
Bookman
wrote:
>My dearly snookered and thus dumbfounded fools of your very own
>extremely brown-nosed and incest cloned borgism of your Third Reich
>mainstream status quo (aka pack of liars),
>
>OK already, apparently according to "Bookman"; Kodak photon physics is
>entirely bogus,
I almost forgot...
Are you k'laming that Kodak is part of the (a-hem) "conspiracy",
Guthkook? Or are you k'laming that you know more about photography
than the experts at Kodak?
<Snip Guth's ko0kscreed>
Brad Guth
>It's about demonstrating that you know nothing about "hard science",
>Guthko0k. As your repeated rejection of the facts in preference of
>your ko0ky notions demonstrates.
exactly the same as do the regular laws of physics upon every other
planet and moon. I don't have to depend upon evidence exclusions nor do
I topic/author stalk for the soul function of bashing and/or creating
banishment. How about yourself?
Since you're so freaking brown-nosed God-like and thus all-knowing,
perhaps you can share and share alike by way of telling us village
idiots what it's like being such a certified brown-nosed member of your
Skull and Bones incest cloned mainstream status quo, and of exactly how
your incest produced family and friends respond when they know exactly
what you are and of what despicable lies upon lies you've continually
represented from the very get go.
Failure to react as a human noted.
-
I see that a few of our warm and fuzzy MI6/NSA~CIA spooks are now into
using popular celebrity names as another measure of their usenet ruse,
such as using "Bill Snyder" as one their usenet cloaks in order to
carry out their brown-nosed sucking and blowing plan of action as to
their new and improved levels of incest cloned borgism, of MOS
wag-the-dog and simply as per delivering MOS LLPOF worth of their
ongoing disinformation infomercials.
BTW; why the heck do you suppose that the Third Reich(Skull and Bones)
MI6/NSA~CIA E-Men in BLACK of this warm and fuzzy GOOGLE/NOVA/NASA
mainstream status quo serviced and moderated to death usenet that
summarily sucks and blows big-time is still (no freaking lie folks)
hard at their brown-nosed agenda of every day after day applied
workmanship of specifically targeting and thus delivering their best
spermware into my PC?
Brad Guth
~
Kurt Vonnegut would have to agree far beyond; WAR is WAR, thus "in war
Brad Guth
>Guthkook? Or are you k'laming that you know more about photography
>than the experts at Kodak?
Notice how all of this time Kodak hasn't been saying squat. That's
because they don't have to, nor would they dare.
Unlike yourself, I only have to go by what has been well documented,
subsequently published for decades and a little of what I've personally
accomplished that only proves the Kodak laws of photon physics within
an atmosphere and of what's external to our badly polluted atmosphere
is exactly what it is.
The unfiltered Kodak eye sees so much more than the defective and thus
badly incest mutated intelligent design worth of the human eye,
especially with such quality optics. The human eye seriously sucks,
however the unfiltered Kodak eye manages to extend our interpretation
and/or perceptions of the surrounding energy spectrums into the realms
of what other superior forms of life manage to see just fine and dandy.
Being such a blind bigot like yourself puts a serious damper upon any
form of photography, no matter what there is to being recorded, and
much less worthy of anything being humanly and thus subjectively
interpreted. You certainly wouldn't believe a photograph of a Jew
pointing our Jesus Christ to those nice Romans, or of any of your kind
pointing out Cathars as to those brown-nosed Pope sucking bastards,
although apparently you had absolutely no problems whatsoever with
seeing all of those Muslim WMD, especially all of those WMD as having
been hidden under an oily rock.
Brad Guth
-
I see that a few of our warm and fuzzy MI6/NSA~CIA spooks are now into
using popular celebrity names as another measure of their usenet ruse,
such as using "Bill Snyder" as one their usenet cloaks in order to
carry out their brown-nosed sucking and blowing plan of action as to
their new and improved levels of incest cloned borgism, of MOS
wag-the-dog and simply as per delivering MOS LLPOF worth of their
ongoing disinformation infomercials.
BTW; why the heck do you suppose that the Third Reich(Skull and Bones)
MI6/NSA~CIA E-Men in BLACK of this warm and fuzzy GOOGLE/NOVA/NASA
mainstream status quo serviced and moderated to death usenet that
summarily sucks and blows big-time is still (no freaking lie folks)
hard at their brown-nosed agenda of every day after day applied
workmanship of specifically targeting and thus delivering their best
spermware into my PC?
~
Kurt Vonnegut would have to agree far beyond; WAR is WAR, thus "in war
Art Deco
>BTW; why the heck do you suppose that the Third Reich(Skull and Bones)
>MI6/NSA~CIA E-Men in BLACK of this warm and fuzzy GOOGLE/NOVA/NASA
>mainstream status quo serviced and moderated to death usenet that
>summarily sucks and blows big-time is still (no freaking lie folks)
>hard at their brown-nosed agenda of every day after day applied
>workmanship of specifically targeting and thus delivering their best
>spermware into my PC?
Alcatroll Labs.
How does it feel to be a guinea pig, Brad?