TRUTH IN THE CIA ZOMBIE WORLD
Ian Parker
counts for nothing and where everyone is programmed to always say
"Jawohl" OR "Da moi lidera".
DA MOI LIDERA
http://www.boop.org/jan/justso/elephant.htm Acquired characteristics
according to Kipling. Was the child a cow or a bull? Kipling does not
say.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trofim_Lysenko Lysenko
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lysenkoism
It isn't just me that links Lysenko to Deutsche Physik. Wikipaedia
does just the same thing.
JAWOHL MEIN FÜHRER
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ufo_aleman/esp_ufoaleman_6.htm
http://www.eyepod.org/Nazi-Disc-Photos.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_UFOs
>If Zundel’s own account is to be believed – and I think it probably is – then his fictions about Nazi UFOs have funded the
distribution of Holocaust revisionist material around a substantial
part of the world. So, at the end of the day, there’s more
at stake here than just tall tales and technological fantasies; there
would appear to be a good ethical argument to stop
repeating such fictions and to put the ‘Nazi UFO’ myths to rest once
and for all.
I think there is indeed more at stake, more at stake than just
Relativity. There are also Nazi sympathisers in the various
intelligence services.
http://www.stevequayle.com/High.Jump/Vril.and.Andromeda.html
This is real "Betrug". The touch of authenticity is given to what is
in essence FRAUD.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vril
Vril was supposed to have been the Atlantean language. It consisted of
a series of clicks.
CIA
They were taken in by all this crap, hook, line and sinker. They
created their own version of the Zombie world. McCarthy even devised a
zombie test.
Truth in the zombie world is simply what is politically correct.
- Ian Parker
BradGuth
matters. Truth has become at best secondary.
~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth
Ian Parker wrote:
> What is a Zombie world? It is a world in which experimental evidence
> counts for nothing and where everyone is programmed to always say
> "Jawohl" OR "Da moi lidera".
>
> DA MOI LIDERA
>
> http://www.boop.org/jan/justso/elephant.htm Acquired characteristics
> according to Kipling. Was the child a cow or a bull? Kipling does not
> say.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trofim_Lysenko Lysenko
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lysenkoism
>
> It isn't just me that links Lysenko to Deutsche Physik. Wikipaedia
> does just the same thing.
>
> JAWOHL MEIN F�HRER
Willie...@gmail.com
Nothing real can be threatened.
Nothing unreal exists.
So, what we say or think about reality doesn't impact reality at all.
The only thing impacted by our thoughts and words is us.
To the degree we understand reality and operate in the real world, to
that degree we are effective and obtain those things we want from
reality.
To the degree we do not understand reality and do not operate in the
real world, to that degree we are ineffective and are at risk of not
achieving our goals.
BradGuth
Without the cold hard truth there is no valid history or progress.
(aka Hitler and GW Bush seem to more than prove this out)
Mainstream lies, distortions and evidence exclusions about physics and
of the mostly public funded science only begets more of the same. You
seem to be at ease with all of it, just the way it is.
”Whoever controls the past, controls the future” / George Orwell
meaning those in control of whatever gets officially recorded as
history or whatever as having been discovered or created are also
establishing and/or reinforcing upon their mainstream holy grail as to
who gets future credit and/or blame, and thus more importantly of who
gets first crack at whatever future credits and that of receiving our
public support, instead of the gauntlet of continual denial, avoidance
and systematic banishment. The very root of this kind of orchestrated
naysay imposed action against outsiders is clearly faith-based and
otherwise cloaked as to suggest that no one public agency, private
group or inside connected individual(s) are ever in charge of anything
that gets overlooked or goes terribly wrong.
If the mainstream status quo on behalf of their public image damage-
control didn’t have fingers, they’d have to point with something else
each time things look bad or turn out poorly. (perhaps its their brown
nose that'll have to due)
hanson
Go into the zoo cage and kick a lion's ass..
or... call a huge drunk black dude "Nigger".
or... point a gun at a cop and threaten him..
>
... then come back and report how you
still maintain the notion in your 1-liner.
Thanks for the laughs.... hahahahahanson
BradGuth
Lord Mook of our Zionist/Nazi DARPA likes a good ruse. Only a rabbi
could do one better (and they have).
hanson
> "hanson" <han...@quick.net> wrote:
>>
<Willie.Mookie, the Kookie, @gmail.com> wrote:
Nothing real can be threatened.
>>
hanson wrote:
Go into the zoo cage and kick a lion's ass..
or... call a huge drunk black dude "Nigger".
or... point a gun at a cop and threaten him..
>>
... then come back and report how you
still maintain the notion in your 1-liner.
Thanks for the laughs.... hahahahahanson
>
Lord Mook of our Zionist/Nazi DARPA likes a good ruse.
Only a rabbi could do one better (and they have).
~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth
>
... ahhhh... was Mookie referring to the reality of
the Promised Land or to the reality of the threats
by the Ass-venter chief of Iran as a "Nothing"?
>
.... and are you referring to that rabbi whose ruse
is to call himself "Higher" and run the museums of
tolerance (for Jews) but writes his name as "Hier"
which when the loss of "tl" (tender loving) is being
reinstated it spells out "Hitler"... Tolerance, indeed...
ahaha... Maybe Mookie is right after all... ahahaha...
"Oye weh!' -- "Trust me!" -- "Go figure!"... ahaha...
Thanks for the laughs... ahahhanson
it
BradGuth
> "BradGuth" <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > "hanson" <han...@quick.net> wrote:
>
> <Willie.Mookie, the Kookie, @gmail.com> wrote:
> Nothing real can be threatened.
>
> hanson wrote:
>
> Go into the zoo cage and kick a lion's ass..
> or... call a huge drunk black dude "Nigger".
> or... point a gun at a cop and threaten him..
>
> ... then come back and report how you
> still maintain the notion in your 1-liner.
> Thanks for the laughs.... hahahahahanson
>
> Lord Mook of our Zionist/Nazi DARPA likes a good ruse.
> Only a rabbi could do one better (and they have).
> ~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth
>
> hanso wrote:
>
> ... ahhhh... was Mookie referring to the reality of
> the Promised Land or to the reality of the threats
> by the Ass-venter chief of Iran as a "Nothing"?
>
> .... and are you referring to that rabbi whose ruse
> is to call himself "Higher" and run the museums of
> tolerance (for Jews) but writes his name as "Hier"
> which when the loss of "tl" (tender loving) is being
> reinstated it spells out "Hitler"... Tolerance, indeed...
> ahaha... Maybe Mookie is right after all... ahahaha...
> "Oye weh!' -- "Trust me!" -- "Go figure!"... ahaha...
> Thanks for the laughs... ahahhanson
> it
Lord Mook is intellectually bipolar (typical pretend-Atheist).
Ian Parker
This is true, but also misleading. In the Physical World you can only
produce an airplane that flies well by understanding the laws of
aerodynamics, by putting your plane in a simulation and running
hydrocodes.
If on the other hand you base your theories on an intersaction between
electromagnetism and gravity and carry a tank of Mercury you might get
something that flies, but not well and by accident.
What you say in untrue in the sense that:-
1) Good ideas need backing, and if money is being spent on daft ideas
there is that much left to go round.
2) It is a truism that no country has ever voted in a Communist
government. The same is true of a Nazi government. Even in Germany
only about a third of the population actually voted for Hitler. In
Pakistan no democratic potitician talks about being a Fascist or
supporting the Taleban. The fact of having Nazis in the intelligence
services is a real threat to everyone.
No one, either in Iraq or the US actually voted for Saddam Hussein. If
you had held a referendum in the US I doubt very much whether SH would
have been put into power. Certainly the Iraqis NEVER voted for him. Mr
Al Maliki (name means "King" in Arabic) may have many faults, but he
is at least a democratic choice.
To have the CIA (or the ISI) being a totally unelected body is
dangerous for the rest of us. Antigravity and the frequency of anti
Relativity postings indicate the views of some of these unelected
officials.
BTW - Could someone explain to me why antigravity is still heavily
classified. It is crap and is known to be crap.
If you want to safeguard yourself against Earth Crossing asteroids you
need an accurate determination of orbit followed by a "nudge" of mm/
sec. General Relativity is therefore of great importance. Of course
the anti Relativists are unconcerned. I recall that when I last posted
on this topic the posting got hijacked by the right wing. I don't
think they care about "reality".
- Ian Parker
Mike Jr.
Ian,
I must admit to being totally confused by this thread. Are you
stating that the CIA is behind the delusional postings on relativity
being a fraud? Why would they bother? Did I miss something? Do you
have evidence?
The CIA is subject to oversight. Also, I always felt that one reason
that the NSA hired boy scouts was to keep an eye on CIA. ;-)
The ISI got spanked for their support of the Taliban. I once had a co-
worker who was a retired officer in the Indian AF ask me why the US
supported Pakistan. My reply was "Would you prefer a Pakistan where
the US had no influence?" Who is Pakistan going to turn to? Russia
or China? Ask the Afghanis and Tibetans, respectively, how that worked
out.
Rereading this, one final question. What does any of this have to do
with physics?
--Mike Jr
BradGuth
> On 17 Aug, 01:07, Willie.Moo...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > Nothing real can be threatened.
> > Nothing unreal exists.
>
> > So, what we say or think about reality doesn't impact reality at all.
> > The only thing impacted by our thoughts and words is us.
>
> > To the degree we understand reality and operate in the real world, to
> > that degree we are effective and obtain those things we want from
> > reality.
>
> > To the degree we do not understand reality and do not operate in the
> > real world, to that degree we are ineffective and are at risk of not
> > achieving our goals.
>
> This is true, but also misleading. In the Physical World you can only
> produce an airplane that flies well by understanding the laws of
> aerodynamics, by putting your plane in a simulation and running
> hydrocodes.
>
> If on the other hand you base your theories on an intersaction between
> electromagnetism and gravity and carry a tank of Mercury you might get
> something that flies, but not well and by accident.
>
> What you say in untrue in the sense that:-
>
> 1) Good ideas need backing, and if money is being spent on daft ideas
> there is that much left to go round.
Daft ideas are about the only things getting funded. Especially
funded are those of inert eye-candy and thus faith-based failsafe
sorts of daft ideas.
BradGuth
MI5/CIA (aka DARPA) does whatever makes them happy campers. There is
no official public oversight of our intellectual and scientific cartel/
cable.
Mike Jr.
Brad,
The Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency is tiny compared to the
CIA. Both DARPA and the CIA have Congressional oversight. DARPA is
run out of the Pentagon (not CIA) and Congress approves/disapproves
funding for all projects. I assume, not being a UK national, that
Parliament oversees MI5. The Defense Science board reviews and
recommends research directions for the Pentagon. I once knew a member
and he was a straight arrow. Whatever is going on it's probably not
what you think. DARPA's agenda is not controlled by a small cabal but
rather has to try and satisfy the many competing demands from its many
customers.
See:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DARPA
--Mike Jr
Dan
Discussing such things with guth is a waste of time. He probably
doesn't believe a fraction of what he spews, he just enjoys yanking
normal people's chains. Most of us have him killfiled.
Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired
Keith Willshaw
"BradGuth" <brad...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:5e49de47-3997-4457...@v13g2000pro.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> The ISI got spanked for their support of the Taliban. I once had a co-
>> worker who was a retired officer in the Indian AF ask me why the US
>> supported Pakistan. My reply was "Would you prefer a Pakistan where
>> the US had no influence?" Who is Pakistan going to turn to? Russia
>> or China? Ask the Afghanis and Tibetans, respectively, how that worked
>> out.
>>
>> Rereading this, one final question. What does any of this have to do
>> with physics?
>>
>> --Mike Jr
>
> MI5/CIA (aka DARPA) does whatever makes them happy campers. There is
> no official public oversight of our intellectual and scientific cartel/
> cable.
>
There is certainly parliamentary oversight of MI5 . Its carried out by
the The Intelligence and Security Committee (ISC) which was established
under the terms of the Intelligence Services Act 1994 to examine the
expenditure, administration and policy of the Security Services,
which includes MI5 and GCHQ. This committee is made up of senior
MP's drawn from the major political parties, as of the start of this year
the
members were
Margaret Beckett MP (Chair)
Michael Ancram QC DL MP
Alan Beith MP
Ben Chapman MP
Lord Foulkes of Cumnock
George Howarth MP
Michael Mates MP
Richard Ottaway MP
Dari Taylor MP
Keith
Ian Parker
is the result of CIA activity. Musharraf may or may not go but he is
not the problem. The ISI may have been "spanked" - totally irrelevant.
The fact of the matter is that the Taliban has a refuge in the NW
Frontier region. This remains. If the NW Frontier were closed we would
have gone a long way towards the defeat of the Taleban.
> Rereading this, one final question. What does any of this have to do
> with physics?
>
It started off with the anti Relativity postings. A high percentage of
which are anti Semitic. I want to get to the root of it. At the root
iI am sure is Paperclip and Vril. Nobody has yet explained to me why
all the tosh about antigravity is still highly classified. That is the
real rub. Important facts are being hidden from us. If the CIA was so
monumentally gullible as to take all the Vril nonsense at face value
and then classify it to this day we are clearly faced with a
collection of fools.
- Ian Parker
Danerous fools whose meddling has largely got us into the situation we
are in.
>
> - Show quoted text -
Ian Parker
> "BradGuth" <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> - Show quoted text -
None of them scientists of which there are very few in Parliament.
They don't know a thing about GTR or antigravity.
Only some of it. MI5/6 is a lot smaller than the CIA. The problem with
"Paperclip" was not simply the waste of resources in such things as
antigravity, but also the fact that they brought into the CIA
individuals whose loyalty was not to Liberal Democracy.
Controlling such people is easier said than done. In an intelligence
organisation small groups tend to work outonomously on a "need to
know" basis. Often this is hidden from their political masters.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Mockingbird
CIA acivities were hidden from Congress. OK people might say there
might have been good reasons. One always asks good reasons in whose
opinion. McCarthy is an object lesson in just how manipulative and
destructive a small group of people could be.
MI5/6 as I have said is smaler than the CIA. It is concerned much more
narrowly with information gathering and tends not to be in the
business of overthrowing governments.
- Ian Parker
Mike Jr.
This thread has focused on a few old projects and tried to generalize
to the current big picture. I don't think that you are going to get
to an accurate picture this way.
The following DAPRA report describes progress in the following eight
areas:
• Deny hiding in any environment and cultural background;
• Provide persistent situational awareness and rapid strike;
• Beat the OODA (observe-orient-decide-act) loop of modern
adversaries;
• Provide cyber operations dominance;
• Remove the value of using biological weapons;
• Increase survival from life-threatening wounds;
• Restore injured warfighters to the way they were; and
• Develop core technologies that maintain U.S. military superiority.
http://www.darpa.mil/body/news/2008/hasc3-13-08.pdf
DAPRA's methodology is also described
"Small and flexible: DARPA has only about 140 technical professionals;
some have referred
to DARPA as “100 geniuses connected by a travel agent.”
• Flat organization: DARPA avoids hierarchy, essentially operating at
only two management
levels to ensure the free and rapid flow of information and ideas, and
rapid decision-making.
• Autonomy and freedom from bureaucratic impediments: DARPA has an
exemption from
Title V civilian personnel specifications, which provides for a direct
hiring authority to hire
talent with the expediency not allowed by the standard civil service
process.
• Eclectic, world-class technical staff and performers: DARPA seeks
great talent and ideas
from industry, universities, government laboratories, and individuals,
mixing disciplines and
theoretical and experimental strengths. DARPA neither owns nor
operates any laboratories
or facilities, and the overwhelming majority of the research it
sponsors is done in industry
and universities. Very little of DARPA’s research is performed at
government labs.
• Teams and networks: At its very best, DARPA creates and sustains
great teams of
researchers from different disciplines that collaborate and share in
the teams’ advances.
• Hiring continuity and change: DARPA’s technical staff is hired or
assigned for four to six
years. Like any strong organization, DARPA mixes experience and
change. It retains a base
of experienced experts – its Office Directors and support staff – who
are knowledgeable
about DoD. The staff is rotated to ensure fresh thinking and
perspectives, and to have room
to bring technical staff from new areas into DARPA. It also allows the
program managers to
be bold and not fear failure.
• Project-based assignments organized around a challenge model: DARPA
organizes a
significant part of its portfolio around specific technology
challenges. It foresees new
innovation-based capabilities and then works back to the fundamental
breakthroughs required
to make them possible. Although individual projects typically last
three to five years, major
technological challenges may be addressed over longer time periods,
ensuring patient
investment on a series of focused steps and keeping teams together for
ongoing collaboration.
Continued funding for DARPA projects is based on passing specific
milestones, sometimes
called “go/no-go’s.”
• Outsourced support personnel: DARPA extensively leverages technical,
contracting, and
administrative services from other DoD agencies and branches of the
military. This provides
DARPA the flexibility to get into and out of an area without the
burden of sustaining staff,
while building cooperative alliances with its “agents.” These outside
agents help create a
constituency in their respective organizations for adopting the
technology.
Outstanding program managers: The best DARPA program managers have
always been
freewheeling zealots in pursuit of their goals. The Director’s most
important task is to recruit
and hire very creative people with big ideas, and empower them.
• Acceptance of failure: DARPA pursues breakthrough opportunities and
is very tolerant of
technical failure if the payoff from success will be great enough.
• Orientation to revolutionary breakthroughs in a connected approach:
DARPA historically
has focused not on incremental but radical innovation. It emphasizes
high-risk investment,
moves from fundamental technological advances to prototyping, and then
hands off the
system development and production to the military services or the
commercial sector.
• Mix of connected collaborators: DARPA typically builds strong teams
and networks of
collaborators, bringing in a range of technical expertise and
applicable disciplines, and
involving university researchers and technology firms that are often
not significant defense
contractors or beltway consultants."
In the USA there is oversight by some of the top brains. And even if
the senators and representatives themselves know little about science,
their staffers do.
IMHO, the CIA is too busy minding the store to be bothered funding
anti-relativity propaganda on the internet.
About classification, some things are classified to protect sources
and techniques. Given that human nature is what it is, I wouldn't be
surprised if a few things were classified to protect reputations. But
these people eventually retire so truth will out.
--Mike Jr
Ian Parker
> IMHO, the CIA is too busy minding the store to be bothered funding
> anti-relativity propaganda on the internet.
>
This may be so at Director General level. However the situation in
small groups is that their jobs and reputations are on the line.
There is also the question of general reputation. Let me take a simple
example.
After the Falklands war the Argentine junta resigned. You could in a
way say that the Argentinians have the British to thank for their
democracy. The junta however resigned because "Las Malvinas"
completely discredited them.
I think you have to view antigravity and Iraqi WMD together. Neither
shows the CIA in a particularly edifying light. Our small group may
welll concude that their best chance is a forthright attack on
Academic Physics. Not one that really stands a chance of influencing
readers of "The Physical Review", but enough to stave off questions in
Congress.
> About classification, some things are classified to protect sources
> and techniques. Given that human nature is what it is, I wouldn't be
> surprised if a few things were classified to protect reputations. But
> these people eventually retire so truth will out.
>
Classification OUGHT to be used to protect National Security. The fact
that it is not and is used far more widely is in fact in itself a
dander to National Security. You see a lot of effort is expending in
safeguarding a large number of secrets. If you had a smaller number of
real secrets you would be a lot better off.
On antigravity we already know what the situation is in terms of
Physics. What it means in terms of personal reputations is another
matter. As AG arose quite definitely out of Paperclip and out of the
Vril myth of Nazism declassification is needed to eliminate this.
There was also after WW2 a large influx of Nazis. AG is only part of
the story, McCarthy is another part. So is the Middle East and the
Nazi influence on some of the Arab leaders.
It could be true that the CIA is attempting to clean up its act
internally. I hope that is right. I think it is undeniable true that a
lot of the problems with terrorism arises out of support for the
Taliban and the ISI in the Soviet era.
- Ian Parker
- Ian Parker
Rand Simberg
"Mike Jr." <n00...@comcast.net> made the phosphor on my monitor glow
in such a way as to indicate that:
Once you realize that Ian is nuts, it all makes perfect sense.
Ian Parker
> On Sun, 17 Aug 2008 19:48:04 -0700 (PDT), in a place far, far away,
>
> - Show quoted text -
So you agree with Vril antigravity and everything. What an admission!
Ian Parker
Rand Simberg
Ian Parker <ianpa...@gmail.com> made the phosphor on my monitor glow
in such a way as to indicate that:
>> >> If you want to safeguard yourself against Earth Crossing asteroids you
>> >> need an accurate determination of orbit followed by a "nudge" of mm/
>> >> sec. General Relativity is therefore of great importance. Of course
>> >> the anti Relativists are unconcerned. I recall that when I last posted
>> >> on this topic the posting got hijacked by the right wing. I don't
>> >> think they care about "reality".
>>
>> >> - Ian Parker
>>
>> >Ian,
>> > I must admit to being totally confused by this thread. Are you
>> >stating that the CIA is behind the delusional postings on relativity
>> >being a fraud? Why would they bother? Did I miss something? Do you
>> >have evidence?
>>
>> Once you realize that Ian is nuts, it all makes perfect sense.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
>So you agree with Vril antigravity and everything.
No. Only a lunatic would draw such an illogical conclusion from what
I wrote.
>What an admission!
What a loon!
Ian Parker
> On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 09:29:52 -0700 (PDT), in a place far, far away,
>
> - Show quoted text -
Antigravity is twaddle, but it happens to be classified twaddle. Why?
I never know what you object to. Certainly classified twaddle deserves
a better explanation than either you or anyone else has provided.
BTW Beware woman scorned. I feel vindicared on Anthrax
http://www.wsj.com/article/SB121779123649008091.html
this evidence was available FROM THE START.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/02/25/earlyshow/health/main541988.shtml
I hope she wins. The evidence is incontovertable. Why do you keep
denying it? I also get the impression that you don't and never have
cared a damn about the asteroid threat and you were just concerned wit
getting me. Right?
- Ian Parker
Greg D. Moore (Strider)
news:48af9c1a....@news.giganews.com...
> On Sun, 17 Aug 2008 19:48:04 -0700 (PDT), in a place far, far away,
> "Mike Jr." <n00...@comcast.net> made the phosphor on my monitor glow
> in such a way as to indicate that:
<huge snippage>
>>
>>Ian,
>> I must admit to being totally confused by this thread. Are you
>>stating that the CIA is behind the delusional postings on relativity
>>being a fraud? Why would they bother? Did I miss something? Do you
>>have evidence?
>
> Once you realize that Ian is nuts, it all makes perfect sense.
And once you realize contrary to prior claims Rand can't seem to snip posts
and that he's obsessed with Ian, it all makes perfect sense.
--
Greg Moore
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Ian Parker
Keith Willshaw
"Ian Parker" <ianpa...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:5f1b4e31-5631-4ca6...@34g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
>
> > MI5/CIA (aka DARPA) does whatever makes them happy campers. There is
> > no official public oversight of our intellectual and scientific cartel/
> > cable.
>
> There is certainly parliamentary oversight of MI5 . Its carried out by
> the The Intelligence and Security Committee (ISC) which was established
> under the terms of the Intelligence Services Act 1994 to examine the
> expenditure, administration and policy of the Security Services,
> which includes MI5 and GCHQ. This committee is made up of senior
> MP's drawn from the major political parties, as of the start of this year
> the
> members were
>
> Margaret Beckett MP (Chair)
> Michael Ancram QC DL MP
> Alan Beith MP
> Ben Chapman MP
> Lord Foulkes of Cumnock
> George Howarth MP
> Michael Mates MP
> Richard Ottaway MP
> Dari Taylor MP
>
> Keith- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
= None of them scientists of which there are very few in Parliament.
Wrong
George Foulkes graduated BSC from Edinburgh Uni
Margaret Becket qualified as a Metallurgist at UMIST
George Howarth qualified in engneering at Salford University
= They don't know a thing about GTR or antigravity.
I suspect they have a better grip on the reality of the situation
than you.
Keith
Rand Simberg
Ian Parker <ianpa...@gmail.com> made the phosphor on my monitor glow
in such a way as to indicate that:
>> >> >Ian,
>> >> > I must admit to being totally confused by this thread. Are you
>> >> >stating that the CIA is behind the delusional postings on relativity
>> >> >being a fraud? Why would they bother? Did I miss something? Do you
>> >> >have evidence?
>>
>> >> Once you realize that Ian is nuts, it all makes perfect sense.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> >> - Show quoted text -
>>
>> >So you agree with Vril antigravity and everything.
>>
>> No. Only a lunatic would draw such an illogical conclusion from what
>> I wrote.
>>
>> >What an admission!
>>
>> What a loon!- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
>Antigravity is twaddle, but it happens to be classified twaddle. Why?
>I never know what you object to. Certainly classified twaddle deserves
>a better explanation than either you or anyone else has provided.
>
>BTW Beware woman scorned. I feel vindicared on Anthrax
>
>http://www.wsj.com/article/SB121779123649008091.html
>
>this evidence was available FROM THE START.
>
>http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/02/25/earlyshow/health/main541988.shtml
>
>I hope she wins. The evidence is incontovertable. Why do you keep
>denying it?
Why do you keep asking me baseless questions about things that I
haven't done?
>I also get the impression that you don't and never have
>cared a damn about the asteroid threat and you were just concerned wit
>getting me. Right?
As usual, completely wrong, and nuts.
Rand Simberg
Moore \(Strider\)" <mooregr_d...@greenms.com> made the phosphor
on my monitor glow in such a way as to indicate that:
>"Rand Simberg" <simberg.i...@org.trash> wrote in message
>news:48af9c1a....@news.giganews.com...
>> On Sun, 17 Aug 2008 19:48:04 -0700 (PDT), in a place far, far away,
>> "Mike Jr." <n00...@comcast.net> made the phosphor on my monitor glow
>> in such a way as to indicate that:
>
><huge snippage>
>
>
>
>>>
>>>Ian,
>>> I must admit to being totally confused by this thread. Are you
>>>stating that the CIA is behind the delusional postings on relativity
>>>being a fraud? Why would they bother? Did I miss something? Do you
>>>have evidence?
>>
>> Once you realize that Ian is nuts, it all makes perfect sense.
>
>And once you realize contrary to prior claims Rand can't seem to snip posts
>and that he's obsessed with Ian, it all makes perfect sense.
Believe me, if I were "obsessed with Ian," it would be obvious. I
rarely interact with him, or about him. This was the first time in
weeks.
And I didn't snip that particular post because it constituted the
evidence for his nuttiness.
Ian Parker
> "Ian Parker" <ianpark...@gmail.com> wrote in message
Do you think so? Then can you explain to me why antigravity is still
classified. It is twaddle but classified twaddlel
So you think our lords and masters are ever so wise. They are not. We
would not be in the mess we are if they were.
- Ian Parker
Keith Willshaw
The fact that its twaddle is all we need to know, having held a security
clearance I know why so much stuff is classified, its easier than going
through the procedures required to release it.
> So you think our lords and masters are ever so wise. They are not. We
> would not be in the mess we are if they were.
>
Ascribing to conspiracy actions that arise from bureaucratic inertia
is a classic mistake of the paranoid.
Keith
Ian Parker
conspiracy theories. For another thing antigravity may in fact produce
some real effects, not explained by antigravity to be sure. The Vril
aircraft did actually fly (after a fashion) and to know why might be
of importance. Not of Earth shattering importance to be sure, but
important in terms of dotting is and crossing ts.
The third reason relates to the effort of keeping secrets. If you
continue to guard a lot of things that are not important, those that
are will leak out.
On the question of conspiracy theories the real Roswell conspiracy was
simply that a complete fraud was perpetrated. "Deutsche Physik =
Deutsche Betrug". It is not halthy to have stories of alien abduction
for a start. Alien abduction is a sleep disorder, it is (in essence) a
wakeful dream. This needs treatment rather than someone in the
Pentagon half pretending it is true.
- Ian Parker
jmfbahciv
<snip>
> • Beat the OODA (observe-orient-decide-act) loop of modern
> adversaries;
Have you read about this, Mike?
<snip>
/BAH
Keith Willshaw
>>
>> Ascribing to conspiracy actions that arise from bureaucratic inertia
>> is a classic mistake of the paranoid.
>>
> Not completely true. For a staret a degree of openess can dispel
> conspiracy theories.
Nothing will do that, any information released will be pronounced
a cover up
> For another thing antigravity may in fact produce
> some real effects, not explained by antigravity to be sure.
Meaningless gibberish
> The Vril
> aircraft did actually fly (after a fashion)
A statement made without evidence based on contentious translation
of an obscure Sanskrit document. You might as well claim that
Icarus really did fly too close to the Sun
> and to know why might be
> of importance. Not of Earth shattering importance to be sure, but
> important in terms of dotting is and crossing ts.
>
> The third reason relates to the effort of keeping secrets. If you
> continue to guard a lot of things that are not important, those that
> are will leak out.
>
Actually the reverse is true. Most leaks are down to carelessness
in following security procedures. The simple fact is that even the
most apparently trivial facts speak volumes to a good intelligence
collator.
An example told to me by a guide at Bletchley Park who had
been part of the wartime intelligence operation comes to mind.
Details of Luftwaffe squadron deployments were kept secret and
movement orders generally transmitted by landline making it hard
to track them by code breaking or sigint. However the air force
intel types realised that before a Lutwaffe unit was redeployed its
adjutant and engineering officer would make an inspection of
their new station. The name and rank of these officers was known
and news of their movement would be radioed to the station
using a low level code that had been broken.
This allowed BP to pretty accurately predict squadron movements
based on an apparently trivial breach of security.
> On the question of conspiracy theories the real Roswell conspiracy was
> simply that a complete fraud was perpetrated. "Deutsche Physik =
> Deutsche Betrug".
No argument there Deutsche Physik was a joke, its adherents banned
the teachings of 'inferior' jews such as Einstein, Borr etc. Ironically
its adherents were in no small measure responsible for ensuring that
Germany was in no position to produce nuclear weapons.
> It is not halthy to have stories of alien abduction
> for a start. Alien abduction is a sleep disorder, it is (in essence) a
> wakeful dream. This needs treatment rather than someone in the
> Pentagon half pretending it is true.
>
>
> - Ian Parker
If the Pentagon flatly denied it the UFO nuts would take its as
proof positive that they were right.
Keith
Ian Parker
> > For another thing antigravity may in fact produce
> > some real effects, not explained by antigravity to be sure.
>
> Meaningless gibberish
Not quite. One of the things I was actually thinking about was the
Cooanda effect. This is a pure areodynamic effect. It is what keeps
frisbees in the air. Some real effects were in fact reported but those
were atmospheric effects explicable in terms of fluid mechanics.
>
> > The Vril
> > aircraft did actually fly (after a fashion)
>
> A statement made without evidence based on contentious translation
> of an obscure Sanskrit document. You might as well claim that
> Icarus really did fly too close to the Sun
>
Not based on anything not written in either English or German as the
prime languages. Some of the aircraft had fans and were capable of
flying, if not very well. I am also thinking about Moller here who has
a similar design to some of the Vril craft.
Moller undoubtedly flies in principle. The latest design is a folding
wing design. They seem to have half admitted that the present designs
are not efficient.
Whether Moller will be a commercial success or not I don't know.
Certainly given development it will fly. The basis in terms of Physics
is clear. Rotors gwet it off the ground by direct thrust and (like the
Marine Corps helicopter) angles the engines to horizontal for fixed
wing flight.
The Vril aircraft (those that COULD fly at all) had a single rotor.
This would have made them difficult to control. Moller has 4 engines
which produce controllable attitudes.
This is really what I meant. The website is completely in English. The
airflow across the fusilage and the presence of the fusilage has a
considerable impact on flight performance.
This is what I mean. If the experimental rotor results had
a) Been made public.
b) Had been modelled with hydocodes.
We might be able to understand craft thke Mollers rather better.
- Ian Parker
Ian Parker
fly as antgravity craft but they can fly as something else. That is
not illogical.
Columbus thought he was in China yet he still discovered America. That
is not nonsensical or illogical. It would be better if people knew
what they were doing. Columbus by rights should have starved.
Erasthenes gave a value for the size of the Earth not all that
different from the modern value. Computing from Marco Polo and
estimating the position of China - result starvation. But he got to
America.
- Ian Parker
Mike Jr.
Actually yes. I study networks. Network centric warefare and the GIG
are key advantages that an unsophisticated enemy will find hard to
overcome.
>
> <snip>
>
> /BAH
jmfbahciv
Have you read the biography of the guy who wrote it up?
/BAH
Mike Jr.
Yes. Colonel Boyd took the right lessons from his experience as a
fighter pilot instructor.
--Mike Jr
>
> /BAH
jmfbahciv
> On Aug 21, 7:26 am, jmfbahciv <jmfbahciv@aol> wrote:
>> Mike Jr. wrote:
>>> On Aug 19, 7:26 am, jmfbahciv <jmfbahciv@aol> wrote:
>>>> Mike Jr. wrote:
>>>> <snip>
>>>>> • Beat the OODA (observe-orient-decide-act) loop of modern
>>>>> adversaries;
>>>> Have you read about this, Mike?
>>> Actually yes. I study networks. Network centric warefare and the GIG
>>> are key advantages that an unsophisticated enemy will find hard to
>>> overcome.
>> Have you read the biography of the guy who wrote it up?
>
> Yes. Colonel Boyd took the right lessons from his experience as a
> fighter pilot instructor.
OK. When you said networks, I assumed you were talking about
the computer biz. I became puzzled.
/BAH
Mike
Computer networks are a good way to beat the OODA (observe-orient-
decide-act) loop, especially one connected to the GIG. I'll let you
think about that one.
>
> /BAH- Hide quoted text -
Edward Green
<...>
> http://www.darpa.mil/body/news/2008/hasc3-13-08.pdf
That's some fascinating reading there, Mike. Thanks for posting the
link.
My inner liberal say: "All the high technology is an attempt to
sanitize war. But war will always be about human bodies being blown
apart by explosives and high velocity bits of metal".
My inner empiricist says: "Yes. But living in the United States, I
would like to see the US maintain an edge in the ability to blow apart
human bodies by the aforementioned technologies, and any emergent body-
dissociating technology, while minimizing the ability of our enemies
to cause the bodies of US soldiers and civilians to be rendered
inoperable in support of the policies and goals of foreign national
and extra-national interests".
My inner Roman says: "And I would be quite comfortable with a Pax
Americana, where superior military technology and a willingness to use
it to keep the peace, would render impossible the kind of rolling
genocide in odd corners of the world which has characterized the late
20th and early 21st centuries and has forever shamed European
liberalism, which appears to be "anti-war", but which is really anti
"anything which might threaten our comfortable post-industrial
affluent individual lifestyle, even if it means standing by while
human being are slaughtered in other parts of the planet (or even next
door)", while, through a spectacular somersault of self-worth
preserving self-servingness, they manage to characterize their failure
to intervene as evidence of the highest state of moral development,
rather than of the lack of a moral compass.
I single out the Europeans because I don't expect the Russians and
Chinese to really know any better.
zzbu...@netscape.net
> On Aug 18, 8:34 am, "Mike Jr." <n00s...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> <...>
>
> >http://www.darpa.mil/body/news/2008/hasc3-13-08.pdf
>
> That's some fascinating reading there, Mike. Thanks for posting the
> link.
>
> My inner liberal say: "All the high technology is an attempt to
> apart by explosives and high velocity bits of metal".
Well, thar's always been the problem with livbrals and inner
voices, though.
Since explosives have nothing implicity to do with war,
Which is again why people with evolutionairy gonads have won both
of the
wars again. Since idiot science is always going to be about
particle accelerators
lab rats, and recursive rambling about CO2, that's why the people
with insight and brains
and a sense of that which isn't entropy brought GPS, Cruise
Missiles,
WWW, DVD, and Robots for all the generalized cranks of history.
Ian Parker
Going to war is a serious business. Body bags act as a deterrent to
unwise interventions. The fact of the matter is this. The US and other
high tech nations will be able to fight a war in some far corner of
the world without themselves getting hurt. This is going to make war a
lot more likely.
If we could be certain that all American interventions were just, that
would be one thing. US interventions are however often unjust. Iraq
was unjust from start to finish. I will ask you one question.
"If people are wandering around the Middle East as refugess, with
quite a number of them dead. How important are the lives of American
soldiers in the moral sceme of things?" Syria has 1.3 million, Jordan
1 million and Iraq about 2 million internally. OK you might say let's
try to save the lives we can. The argument is however false. The best
way to save life is not to get into wars in the first place, certainly
not unjust ones.
Let us remember the following. The CIA put Saddam Hussein into power
in the first place.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saddam_Hussein
Can you tell me what was wrong with Abdul Rahman Arif and why the CIA
had to put SH into power?
Overthowing Arif was unjust. A union with Syria which the Arab people
in both countries wanted would have sent Saddam into obscurity. That
is why he acted in concert with the CIA.
I can see nothing but grief coming from America. A few body bags would
bring the point home. The Iraqis have after all had loads, as well as
being subjected to ethnic cleansing.
Is there a connection between Srabic and Relativity? Not obvious but I
think there is. The Iraq invasion was "guerre a l'outrace" organized
by a small cabal, none of whom were Arabic speakers. Antigravity
likewise was a small cabal, none of whom knew anything about
Relativity.
- Ian Parker
jmfbahciv
OK :-). I'll think. I was just surprised to see the loop mentioned
here. I was struck with a ray of hopeful optimism (a rare event
lately).
/BAH
David Bernier
Kermit Roosevelt @ work (1953, Iran):
http://cryptome.org/iran-cia/sum.pdf
hanson
>
"Mike Jr." <n00s...@comcast.net> cited and wrote:
http://www.darpa.mil/body/news/2008/hasc3-13-08.pdf
>
Edward Green <spamspamsp...@netzero.com> wrote:
My inner liberal says: "All the high technology is an attempt to
sanitize war. But war will always be about human bodies being
blown apart by explosives and high velocity bits of metal".
>
enemies to cause the bodies of US soldiers and civilians to
>
My inner Roman says: "... superior military technology and a
willingness to use it to keep the peace, would render
impossible the kind of rolling genocide in odd corners of the
>
hanson wrote:
... hahahahaha... Ed, you old submariner, your innards have
maded you express an excellent summary of what DARPA
does or intends to accopmplish. Mike jr, Thanx for the link.
>
"Ian Parker" <ianpa...@gmail.com> wrote....
.. that this DARPA thinking " is going to make war a lot more
likely... ... Let us rem the following. The CIA put Saddam into
power in the 1st place. I can see nothing but grief coming from
America. Is there a connection between Srabic and Relativity?
Not obvious but I think there is. Antigravity likewise was a small
cabal, none of whom knew anything about Relativity.
>
... AHAHAHAHA... Ian, old pal, listen, your head is screwed
on the wrong way again. And that is good. So use it to your
advantage. Read that whole DARPA report again and then
present YOUR "truth" to DARPA directly instead of just
pontificating here. Don't forget to tell'em that you are Jewish
& a soldier in Ariel Sharon's Army of Light. Be as outlandish
as you possibly can be. You are just radical enough that they
might listen to you and fund you, meaning give you more $$$
than you ever dreamt of having. DARPA is used to deal with
nuts. So, go, give it a try. Do it, man. Go for it!... ahahahaha...
Then come back & tell us what DARPA said and did... ahaha
>
Thanks for the laughs, guys... ahahaha... ahahanson
Ian Parker
> Kermit Roosevelt @ work (1953, Iran):http://cryptome.org/iran-cia/sum.pdf- Hide quoted text -
>
I was concentrating on Iraq. The reference is perfectly true. BTW - I
use the word "just" in the sense that Aquinas used it. It is right to
fight just wars. If however you have been meddling in another counties
internal affairs that makes it UNJUST.
History is what happens rather than what might have happened.
Certainly the Iranian revolution occured because the Shah was
perceived as being an American puppet. Whether Mussadeq would have
avoided an Islamic revolution I just don't know.
Hanson says I am Jewish. In fact I am not. If anything I am an Arab
supporter, but one who believes that Israel has a right to exist. The
Arabs have a right to unity just as Europe has. In fact I would like
to see a Middle East where religion was a lot less important. That
includes Judaism as well as the various strands of Islam.
- Ian Parker
hanson
I was concentrating on Iraq.
>
You have no idea what concentration means and much
less what it is. But here is a way for you to learn it: DARPA
< http://groups.google.com/group/sci.space.policy/msg/7619ef1faf35768f?hl=en
>
>
"Ian Parker" <ianpa...@gmail.com> wrote
Hanson says I am Jewish. In fact I am not.
>
What's wrong with being Jewish, Ian Parker, you horrible
and sleazy Anti-Semite. First you come on as a flaming
kike like here
in < http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=e1842edc4f > or in
< http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SO_qkUrtAIg > or in
< http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics/msg/8c6c88c567941b8a?hl=en >
and then when embarrassed and caught. with your pants
down, you quickly deny your heritage and raison d'etre
and you switch sides and hang out your inner Nazi
shingle ... that you were hiding till now so carefully.
>
"Ian Parker" <ianpa...@gmail.com> wrote
If anything I am an Arab supporter, but one who believes
that Israel has a right to exist.
>
See what you just said is typical Neo-Anti-Semitism,
you talking out .of both sides of your loud-mouth. Go
over there into a kibbutz and do the right thing... instead
of trashing around here... ahahahaha....
>
Of course Israel has a right to exist, and I could care
less how they go about it... --- as long as they do NOT
drag us into their shit and quarrels... like they did with
the help of their JerUSAlem cockroaches, the Jewish
Neocons (Wolfowitz, Perle, Feith, Wurmsers, Lieberman
etc) who goaded Bush into going after Sadam Hussein
and use our kids to bleed and die to do their dirty work.
>
Of course Israel has a right to exist, and I could care
less how they go about it... --- as long as they do NOT
continue, like they did each year, for the last 60 years,
leach out of the US 3-7 billion dollars annually, moneys
that are extorted as taxes off the dinner tables from
poor and hardworking American Families.
>
What have these American families received from Israel
in return for their lost lives, spilled blood, torn limbs and
that money?
>
How much food does it bring for the hungry kids in the US
when they are told to go to bed hungry so that Israel can
be the only democracy in the Middle East, when they are
actually just another Theocracy... just like the ass-venting
camel jockeys have... Parker are you on meds that you
are so confused and loud?...ahahaha... What are you on?...
>
"Ian Parker" <ianpa...@gmail.com> wrote
The Arabs have a right to unity just as Europe has.
In fact I would like to see a Middle East where religion
was a lot less important. That includes Judaism as well
as the various strands of Islam. - Ian Parker
>
Where is your relativity now. According to you, why can't
you solve that problem with your loudly trumpeted relativity?...
and why don't you say anything about that the third leg
of this monotheistic triumvirate, that Xianity too ought to
be a "lot less important"? - Are you silent on that because
you're afraid of your neighbors down there in the Bible-belt
where you live?... ahahahaha... Read here again where
I explained to you before how that religion game works:
< http://groups.google.com/group/sci.math/msg/66284a8cfa3ed25d?hl=en >
>
Ian listen, in the remote possibility that you are not a Jew,
stop proselytizing and loud mouthing for Jewish causes.
The Jews do not want nor need 2-faced fanatics like you
who only fuck up their Jewish agenda even worse than
it already is... ahahaha.... Now go and visit DARPA
>
ahahahaha... ahahahanson
Tom Potter
"Edward Green" <spamsp...@netzero.com> wrote in message news:c4c1b9cb-bc38-4d7c...@34g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
On Aug 18, 8:34 am, "Mike Jr." <n00s...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
><...>
>
>> http://www.darpa.mil/body/news/2008/hasc3-13-08.pdf
>
>That's some fascinating reading there, Mike. Thanks for posting the
>link.
>
>My inner liberal say: "All the high technology is an attempt to
>sanitize war. But war will always be about human bodies being blown
>apart by explosives and high velocity bits of metal".
>
>My inner empiricist says: "Yes. But living in the United States, I
>would like to see the US maintain an edge in the ability to blow apart
>human bodies by the aforementioned technologies, and any emergent body-
>dissociating technology, while minimizing the ability of our enemies
>to cause the bodies of US soldiers and civilians to be rendered
>inoperable in support of the policies and goals of foreign national
>and extra-national interests".
>they <European Liberals> manage to characterize their failure
>to intervene as evidence of the highest state of moral development,
>rather than of the lack of a moral compass."
Ed, give us the benefit of your "moral compass"
and tell us what side you would "intervene" on
in the following conflicts,
and how you would "intervene".
1. The Spanish-American War
2. The Spanish Civil War
3. The current conflict in Georgia
4. The conflict between the Llama and China
5. The conflict between Israel and the Palestinians.
6. The Vietnam War
7. The German people's efforts to contain the gang
that was instigating the Class Wars of the 1900's.
And indicate what historical conflicts you would be proud
to have your children have their "bodies blown
apart by explosives and high velocity bits of metal".
--
Tom Potter
http://www.geocities.com/tdp1001/index.html
http://notsocrazyideas.blogspot.com
http://www.flickr.com/photos/tom-potter/
http://tdp1001.wiki.zoho.com
http://groups.msn.com/PotterPhotos
http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/dingleberry.htm
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BradGuth
>
> About classification, some things are classified to protect sources
> and techniques. Given that human nature is what it is, I wouldn't be
> surprised if a few things were classified to protect reputations. But
> these people eventually retire so truth will out.
>
> --Mike Jr
The DARPA truth-lag is worth 4+ generations, or roughly 100 years.
Can we afford yet another century worth of truth-lag, like the last
century?
”Whoever controls the past, controls the future” / George Orwell
~ BG
BradGuth
China knows better and wiser than most are willing to admit. Russia
is just a spoiled brat that likes to play cold-war games, for pretty
much the same global domination and artificial inflation reasons we
did.
~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth
Pat Flannery
Tom Potter wrote:
> 3. The current conflict in Georgia
The last conflict in Georgia.
The northern aggressors must be driven forth from Georgia's holy soil -
before they burn all the women, free all the crops, and rape all the slaves.
Pat
Ian Parker
In point of fact we are not being dragged into any quarrel. The image
Israel presents to the world is determined by the attitudes of her
Arab neighbours
http://www.themiddleeastnow.com/musnazi.html
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/CIA/Gehlen_Org.html
I have some more but I decided not to use them as they came from
Israel. Israel has made peace with Egypt and has offered the Golan
Heights back to Syria on the basis of a normalization of relations.
Israel did NOT cause in any way the Iraq war. This was caused by Bush
and a cabal round him. Did NOT put Saddam Hussein in power. Did NOT
give a nod and a wink to Saddam Hussein in the Iran Iraq war. Israel
(or should I say the Jews in this context) did NOT provide a sealed
train for Lenin, did NOT supply money to the Bolsevik cause. Did NOT
try to bring down Kerensky.
The basic problem is that generals are ignorant sods outside war
itself. They think they are very clever when they meddle. History has
taught us that meddling nearly always produces a worse situation than
the one you are trying to solve. The problems in Iraq are totally of
the making of the US. They put SH in, nodded and winked the Iran Iraq
war. Trouble was the Iranians fought back far harder than the stupid
US (I think the letters on the uniform refer to quality as well as
country) generals supposed. The US had to essentially bale Saddam out.
Being bankrupt he then invaded Kuwait. This was when he ceased to be
our "son of a bitch".
The blame for this rests squarely on the Pentagon and CIA. No one else
dragged them into it.
- Ian Parker
hanson
>
2-faced and medicated Judeo-Nazi "Ian Parker"
<ianpa...@gmail.com> made yet another position
reversal and the kike that he denied to be in his last
post crawled out of Ian and reared his ugly head with a
vengeance as Ian Parker invoked Sid Snead's axiom
that says:
>
::S:: "I am sorry to hear that Ian Parker is a Jew. I enjoy the
::S:: clarity of his writing, but will now have to treat his opinions
::S:: as suspect, since, being a Jew, he believes that what is
::S:: good for Jews is more important than the truth."
>
... and to boot Ianvir Parkerinski expressed himself with
the same eloquence as does his brother-in-ilk here:
in < http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=e1842edc4f > or in
< http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SO_qkUrtAIg > or in
< http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics/msg/8c6c88c567941b8a?hl=en >
>
>
>
>
Ian Parker's short legacy:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.math/msg/f6745f99180c1e8c?hl=en
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics/msg/3d7500725cb950b7?hl=en
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics/msg/8c6c88c567941b8a?hl=en
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics/msg/260f66e349073985?hl=en
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.space.policy/msg/7619ef1faf35768f?hl=en
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.math/msg/66284a8cfa3ed25d?hl=en
Ian Parker
> ----- AHAHA... ring around the roses ... AHAHA -----
>
> 2-faced and medicated Judeo-Nazi "Ian Parker"
> reversal and the kike that he denied to be in his last
> post crawled out of Ian and reared his ugly head with a
> vengeance as Ian Parker invoked Sid Snead's axiom
> that says:
>
> ::S:: "I am sorry to hear that Ian Parker is a Jew. I enjoy the
> ::S:: clarity of his writing, but will now have to treat his opinions
> ::S:: as suspect, since, being a Jew, he believes that what is
> ::S:: good for Jews is more important than the truth."
>
> ... and to boot Ianvir Parkerinski expressed himself with
> the same eloquence as does his brother-in-ilk here:
> in <http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=e1842edc4f> or in
> <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SO_qkUrtAIg> or in
> <http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics/msg/8c6c88c567941b8a?hl=en>
>
> Thanks for the laughs, you Dreidel... ahahaha... ahahanson
>
I leel we need tolook at this with a degree of objectivity. The
evidence for Relativity is overwhelming. It is not just one experiment/
observatiion it is experiment after experiment. As I have already
said, if scientists believe in something because experiment/
observation supports it there is no need top enquire further. It is
when belief systems are maintained in the face of the facts that we
need to look at politics and need I say it coonspiracy theories.
It is claimed relativity is a religion. In fact that description would
fit the anti Relativists rather better. The onus is on them to explain
all the experiments and observations using an alternative theory. The
only half decent thing which La Reta has published on her [note I am
following Italian gender convention] website is the fact that
Maxwell's equations obey the Lorentz transformation equations in any
event. That STILL does not explain GR effects OR the weak and strong
nuclear forces.
I am not a Jew. Is there anything wrong with being a Jew? No, but I
want to show that I am taking a detached view. I look at the Middle
East as something of an outsider. I am not an arab either. I also feel
that it is important to place blame where it belongs and that is on
politicians and generals who insist on meddling. If we blame a
minority group we are absolvng the Kaiser and ghis military clique in
the case of WW1 and Bolsevism. History insists that German meddling
(Ludendorf in particular) and the sealed train were major factors.
We also want the blame for Iraq to be put squarly on the shoulders of
Bush and his cronies.
- Ian Parker
BradGuth
behalf of our under appreciated DARPA.
Mike Jr. wrote:
> On Aug 18, 12:11 am, BradGuth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Aug 17, 7:48 pm, "Mike Jr." <n00s...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Aug 17, 6:22 am, Ian Parker <ianpark...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > On 17 Aug, 01:07, Willie.Moo...@gmail.com wrote:
> >
> > > > > Nothing real can be threatened.
> > > > > Nothing unreal exists.
> >
> > > > > So, what we say or think about reality doesn't impact reality at all.
> > > > > The only thing impacted by our thoughts and words is us.
> >
> > > > > To the degree we understand reality and operate in the real world, to
> > > > > that degree we are effective and obtain those things we want from
> > > > > reality.
> >
> > > > > To the degree we do not understand reality and do not operate in the
> > > > > real world, to that degree we are ineffective and are at risk of not
> > > > > achieving our goals.
> >
> > > > This is true, but also misleading. In the Physical World you can only
> > > > produce an airplane that flies well by understanding the laws of
> > > > aerodynamics, by putting your plane in a simulation and running
> > > > hydrocodes.
> >
> > > > If on the other hand you base your theories on an intersaction between
> > > > electromagnetism and gravity and carry a tank of Mercury you might get
> > > > something that flies, but not well and by accident.
> >
> > > > What you say in untrue in the sense that:-
> >
> > > > 1) Good ideas need backing, and if money is being spent on daft ideas
> > > > there is that much left to go round.
> >
> > > > 2) It is a truism that no country has ever voted in a Communist
> > > > government. The same is true of a Nazi government. Even in Germany
> > > > only about a third of the population actually voted for Hitler. In
> > > > Pakistan no democratic potitician talks about being a Fascist or
> > > > supporting the Taleban. The fact of having Nazis in the intelligence
> > > > services is a real threat to everyone.
> >
> > > > No one, either in Iraq or the US actually voted for Saddam Hussein. If
> > > > you had held a referendum in the US I doubt very much whether SH would
> > > > have been put into power. Certainly the Iraqis NEVER voted for him. Mr
> > > > Al Maliki (name means "King" in Arabic) may have many faults, but he
> > > > is at least a democratic choice.
> >
> > > > To have the CIA (or the ISI) being a totally unelected body is
> > > > dangerous for the rest of us. Antigravity and the frequency of anti
> > > > Relativity postings indicate the views of some of these unelected
> > > > officials.
> >
> > > > BTW - Could someone explain to me why antigravity is still heavily
> > > > classified. It is crap and is known to be crap.
> >
> > > > If you want to safeguard yourself against Earth Crossing asteroids you
> > > > need an accurate determination of orbit followed by a "nudge" of mm/
> > > > sec. General Relativity is therefore of great importance. Of course
> > > > the anti Relativists are unconcerned. I recall that when I last posted
> > > > on this topic the posting got hijacked by the right wing. I don't
> > > > think they care about "reality".
> >
> > > > - Ian Parker
> >
> > > Ian,
> > > I must admit to being totally confused by this thread. Are you
> > > stating that the CIA is behind the delusional postings on relativity
> > > being a fraud? Why would they bother? Did I miss something? Do you
> > > have evidence?
> >
> > > The CIA is subject to oversight. Also, I always felt that one reason
> > > that the NSA hired boy scouts was to keep an eye on CIA. ;-)
> >
> > > The ISI got spanked for their support of the Taliban. I once had a co-
> > > worker who was a retired officer in the Indian AF ask me why the US
> > > supported Pakistan. My reply was "Would you prefer a Pakistan where
> > > the US had no influence?" Who is Pakistan going to turn to? Russia
> > > or China? Ask the Afghanis and Tibetans, respectively, how that worked
> > > out.
> >
> > > Rereading this, one final question. What does any of this have to do
> > > with physics?
> >
> > > --Mike Jr
> >
> > MI5/CIA (aka DARPA) does whatever makes them happy campers. There is
> > no official public oversight of our intellectual and scientific cartel/
> > cabal.
> >
> > ~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth
>
> Brad,
> The Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency is tiny compared to the
> CIA. Both DARPA and the CIA have Congressional oversight. DARPA is
> run out of the Pentagon (not CIA) and Congress approves/disapproves
> funding for all projects. I assume, not being a UK national, that
> Parliament oversees MI5. The Defense Science board reviews and
> recommends research directions for the Pentagon. I once knew a member
> and he was a straight arrow. Whatever is going on it's probably not
> what you think. DARPA's agenda is not controlled by a small cabal but
> rather has to try and satisfy the many competing demands from its many
> customers.
>
> See:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DARPA
>
> --Mike Jr
Isn't that pretty much what a public funded cartel/cabal does for
those of its own insider kind (aka Federal Reserve and of their close
company of associates).
Of their being a small group of supposedly top-notch wizards and fully
butt protected by their own mainstream status quo (same goes for MI5),
is right up there next to being God.
Are you suggesting that our faith-based puppet government doesn't
profusely lie, doesn't exclude or banish evidence on their behalf?
The truth-lag is often 4+ generations, or roughly 100 years. Is that
acceptable?
~ BG
BradGuth
> "BradGuth" <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:5e49de47-3997-4457...@v13g2000pro.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> >> The ISI got spanked for their support of the Taliban. I once had a co-
> >> worker who was a retired officer in the Indian AF ask me why the US
> >> supported Pakistan. My reply was "Would you prefer a Pakistan where
> >> the US had no influence?" Who is Pakistan going to turn to? Russia
> >> or China? Ask the Afghanis and Tibetans, respectively, how that worked
> >> out.
>
> >> Rereading this, one final question. What does any of this have to do
> >> with physics?
>
> >> --Mike Jr
>
> > MI5/CIA (aka DARPA) does whatever makes them happy campers. There is
> > no official public oversight of our intellectual and scientific cartel/
>
> There is certainly parliamentary oversight of MI5 . Its carried out by
> the The Intelligence and Security Committee (ISC) which was established
> under the terms of the Intelligence Services Act 1994 to examine the
> expenditure, administration and policy of the Security Services,
> which includes MI5 and GCHQ. This committee is made up of senior
> MP's drawn from the major political parties, as of the start of this year
> the
> members were
>
> Margaret Beckett MP (Chair)
> Michael Ancram QC DL MP
> Alan Beith MP
> Ben Chapman MP
> Lord Foulkes of Cumnock
> George Howarth MP
> Michael Mates MP
> Richard Ottaway MP
> Dari Taylor MP
>
> Keith
Obviously you're going with the failsafe mainstream flow that
government never tells lies or otherwise excludes evidence of their
incompetence, greed or wrong doings, much less as having those faith-
based strings attached.
Who polices the ISC of MI5 and GCHQ?
What evidence do we have that MI5 and GCHQ tells all to their ISC?
Our DARPA (like our resident warlord) reports only as much as they'd
care to disclose. The excluding or mysterious loss of evidence is
entirely common place, and the truth-lag is easily capable of 100
years, if not forever.
BradGuth
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> They don't know a thing about GTR or antigravity.
>
> Only some of it. MI5/6 is a lot smaller than the CIA. The problem with
> "Paperclip" was not simply the waste of resources in such things as
> antigravity, but also the fact that they brought into the CIA
> individuals whose loyalty was not to Liberal Democracy.
>
> Controlling such people is easier said than done. In an intelligence
> organisation small groups tend to work outonomously on a "need to
> know" basis. Often this is hidden from their political masters.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Mockingbird
>
> CIA acivities were hidden from Congress. OK people might say there
> might have been good reasons. One always asks good reasons in whose
> opinion. McCarthy is an object lesson in just how manipulative and
> destructive a small group of people could be.
>
> MI5/6 as I have said is smaler than the CIA. It is concerned much more
> narrowly with information gathering and tends not to be in the
> business of overthrowing governments.
>
> - Ian Parker
MI5/6 is extensively in charge of our CIA. Our Zionist/Nazi
formulated DARPA is fully protected from whatever MI5/6, ISC, CIA or
DHS no-fly list.
hanson
>
AHAHAHAHAHA... a deranged kike tries to weasel
under the nym of "Ian Parker" <ianpa...@gmail.com>
as he lied & squirmed & slurred & wrote:
>
hanson wrote:
----- AHAHA... ring around the roses ... AHAHA -----
>
2-faced and medicated Judeo-Nazi "Ian Parker"
reversal and the kike that he denied to be in his last
post crawled out of Ian and reared his ugly head with a
vengeance as Ian Parker invoked Sid Snead's axiom
that says:
>
::S:: "I am sorry to hear that Ian Parker is a Jew. I enjoy the
::S:: clarity of his writing, but will now have to treat his opinions
::S:: as suspect, since, being a Jew, he believes that what is
::S:: good for Jews is more important than the truth."
>
... and to boot Ianvir Parkerinski expressed himself with
the same eloquence as does his brother-in-ilk here:
in < http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=e1842edc4f > or in
< http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SO_qkUrtAIg > or in
< http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics/msg/8c6c88c567941b8a?hl=en >
>
Thanks for the laughs, you Dreidel... ahahaha... ahahanson
>
Ian Parker's short legacy:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.math/msg/f6745f99180c1e8c?hl=en
Parker's brain in Chaos -- Where they laugh about Einstein:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics/msg/3d7500725cb950b7?hl=en
Parker's nymshifting -- Ariel Sharon's Army of Light:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics/msg/8c6c88c567941b8a?hl=en
Parker's Settler Passion-spiel and speech:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics/msg/260f66e349073985?hl=en
Parkers DARPA and Anti-gravity:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.space.policy/msg/7619ef1faf35768f?hl=en
Nobody is born religious -- Religion is an acquired disease. Abe, the
Arab:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.math/msg/66284a8cfa3ed25d?hl=en
>
>
"Ianvir Parkerinski" wrote:
I leel we need tolook at this with a degree of objectivity.
theories. [1]
note I am following Italian gender convention. I am not a Jew.
We also want the blame for Iraq to be put squarly on the
>
hanson wrote:
I asked you in several posts now, as others did , Ian:
****** "What medications are you on?" *******
See, there you go again with your Kikeish behavior
and re-deny that you are a Jew, like they always do
when caught with their pants down at their ankles but,
>
while at the same time you merrily go on with a slur
against other minorities, like you just did here again,
this time against the Afro-American community by
bringing up ** "coonspiracy theories" ** [1]
>
But even worse, now you are blaming your own ilk
to save your own despicable ass-face, because I
have already given to you, in the above links, who
these Iraq-blame-Bush-cronies [2] are, by name:
>
They are all from your own AshkeNAZI ilk, your kin-folk,
the JerUSAlem cockroaches, the Jewish Neocons, like
Wolfowitz, Perle, Feith, Wurmsers, Lieberman, etc
who goaded Bush into going after Sadam Hussein
http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=neocon+war+party%22&so=0
>
You are a very deranged Jew, "Ianvir Parkerinski",
but thanks for the laughs... ahahaha... ahahanson
BradGuth
~ BG
Ian Parker wrote:
> What is a Zombie world? It is a world in which experimental evidence
> counts for nothing and where everyone is programmed to always say
> "Jawohl" OR "Da moi lidera".
>
> DA MOI LIDERA
>
> http://www.boop.org/jan/justso/elephant.htm Acquired characteristics
> according to Kipling. Was the child a cow or a bull? Kipling does not
> say.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trofim_Lysenko Lysenko
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lysenkoism
>
> It isn't just me that links Lysenko to Deutsche Physik. Wikipaedia
> does just the same thing.
>
> JAWOHL MEIN F�HRER
>
> http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ufo_aleman/esp_ufoaleman_6.htm
> http://www.eyepod.org/Nazi-Disc-Photos.html
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_UFOs
>
> >If Zundel�s own account is to be believed � and I think it probably is � then his fictions about Nazi UFOs have funded the
> distribution of Holocaust revisionist material around a substantial
> part of the world. So, at the end of the day, there�s more
> at stake here than just tall tales and technological fantasies; there
> would appear to be a good ethical argument to stop
> repeating such fictions and to put the �Nazi UFO� myths to rest once
> and for all.
>
> I think there is indeed more at stake, more at stake than just
> Relativity. There are also Nazi sympathisers in the various
> intelligence services.
>
> http://www.stevequayle.com/High.Jump/Vril.and.Andromeda.html
>
> This is real "Betrug". The touch of authenticity is given to what is
> in essence FRAUD.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vril
>
> Vril was supposed to have been the Atlantean language. It consisted of
> a series of clicks.
>
> CIA
>
> They were taken in by all this crap, hook, line and sinker. They
> created their own version of the Zombie world. McCarthy even devised a
> zombie test.
>
> Truth in the zombie world is simply what is politically correct.
>
>
> - Ian Parker
BradGuth
For some reason I could not reply directly to this following message
of yours, perhaps all because of controls Keith Willshaw and those of
their MI5/6 and DARPA kind has placed upon anything he/she
contributed, or perhaps it’s of something you’ve contributed that’s
taboo/nondisclosure rated.
TRUTH IN THE CIA ZOMBIE WORLD
> Not completely true. For a staret a degree of openess can dispel
> conspiracy theories. For another thing antigravity may in fact produce
> some real effects, not explained by antigravity to be sure. The Vril
> aircraft did actually fly (after a fashion) and to know why might be
> of importance. Not of Earth shattering importance to be sure, but
> important in terms of dotting is and crossing ts.
>
> The third reason relates to the effort of keeping secrets. If you
> continue to guard a lot of things that are not important, those that
> are will leak out.
>
> On the question of conspiracy theories the real Roswell conspiracy was
> simply that a complete fraud was perpetrated. "Deutsche Physik =
> Deutsche Betrug". It is not halthy to have stories of alien abduction
> for a start. Alien abduction is a sleep disorder, it is (in essence) a
> wakeful dream. This needs treatment rather than someone in the
> Pentagon half pretending it is true.
>
> - Ian Parker
BradGuth
>
> You are a very deranged Jew, "Ianvir Parkerinski",
> but thanks for the laughs... ahahaha... ahahanson
It’s a good thing that not all Jews are bad, as otherwise we’d all be
in some kind of serious trouble.
btw, why is this informative topic getting moderated to death?
hanson
news:c2750a04-4ecb-4312...@v13g2000pro.googlegroups.com...
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news:76dfd04d-d51f-4bd0...@b38g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
Why is this topic selectively broken? -- ~ BG
>
Ian Parker wrote:
What is a Zombie world? It is a world in which experimental
evidence counts for nothing and where everyone is programmed
believed and I think it probably is then his fictions about Nazi
UFOs have funded the distribution of Holocaust revisionist
stake here and to put the Nazi UFO myths to rest once and for all.
http://www.stevequayle.com/High.Jump/Vril.and.Andromeda.html
>
I, Parker, think there is indeed more at stake, more at stake
than just Relativity. There are also Nazi sympathisers in the
various intelligence services.
>
Which makes you, Ian, highly suspect of being a 2-faced kike,
and which is why Winston Churchill said in 1945: "I think we
slaughtered the wrong pig". In the in the world of politics and
the clandestine, intelligence is always murky and "truth"
has as any definitions as there are needed, convenient
and useful to spread crap (disinformation or facts), exactly
and precisely in the same fashion as the Relativists do with
their Einstein crap theory... ahahaha... Get it, git?... git it?
>
Parker continued:
Vril was supposed to have been the Atlantean language.
They created their own version of the Zombie world. McCarthy
even devised a zombie test. Truth in the zombie world is simply
of keeping secrets. If you continue to guard a lot of things that
>
hanson wrote:
You are a very deranged Jew, "Ianvir Parkerinski",
but thanks for the laughs... ahahaha... ahahanson
>
It's a good thing that not all Jews are bad, as otherwise
we'd all be in some kind of serious trouble.
>
Why? There is NO difference between Jews and Nazis,
The Jews call themselves the "Chosen People" and
the Nazis saw themselves as the "Master Race".
ahahaha...There is NO difference between Jews & Nazis.
>
Both have this notion of self-superiority... and when
you question either one of them about their common
identical beliefs they both become totally unglued and feel
insulted... ahahahaha... No difference... ahahaha...
>
Both Jews & Nazis had excellent propaganda-lie machines.
ahahaha...There is NO difference between Jews & Nazis.
>
Jewish Bankers funded Hitler, and Nazi's had plenty
of Jews in their upper ranks even all the way thru WWII.
They both blame each other for everything and both have
always murder foremost on their mind as the most effective
solution to humankind's problems. You don't even have to
leave these NGs to see how a set of US AsheNAZIs are
advocating massmurder and vast new genocides, today:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics/msg/55de765fbdfa66a4?hl=en
ahaha... There is NO difference between Jews & Nazis.
>
or here wherein Israel's ex-PM Ariel Sharon proudly says:
We are "Judeo-Nazis".. "We might use nuclear arms".
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics/msg/8c6c88c567941b8a?hl=en
ahahaha...There is NO difference between Jews & Nazis.
>
The Nazi Reich was militaristic.. and so is Israel...
Both were/are expansionist... the Nazis then, Israel today
The "Lebensraum" and the "Settler belief", here inhttp://video.google.com/videosearch?q=neocon+war+party%22&so=0
ahahaha... There is NO difference between Jews and Nazis.
>
And then there is the holocaust... Brad, doubting the Jew
advocated "size" of the Holocaust is bad for the profiteering
success of their Holocaust industry. Only a complete retard
can say that no holocaust has taken place, when it is common
knowledge that during the 20th century some 200 million \
people were murdered in the many global holocausts and the
6 million Jewish victims were only 3% of that gruesome total.
Both Nazis and Jews use/d their vioctims for profit...
ahahaha...There is NO difference between Jews and Nazis.
>
and it gets worse and more bizarre as you, Brad have posted
by/with/in http://web.israelinsider.com/views/3998.htm
where it was shown, on Israeli TV, that **Jews continued
the holocaust** onto hundred thousands of their own Jews,
in Israel, in 1951, just 6 years after the Nazi caused atrocity
ended... There is NO difference between Jews and Nazis.
http://web.israelinsider.com/views/3998.htm
>
Can't you see that their cultural mentality is one & the same?
ahahaha ... There is NO difference between Jews and Nazis.
>
So, a specter arises in the questions: "If Jews call themselves
and behave like Nazis are Jews as bad as Nazis or are
Nazis not any worse then are Jews"?... ahahaha... AHAHAHA.
>
Brad Guth wrote:
btw, why is this informative topic getting moderated to death?
~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth
>
What paranoia gave you that idea?... What moderation?
.... ahahahaha ... in my next post may make you even
more paranoid over your DARPA/NAZI tech of yore...
Till then, thanks for the laughs guys...ahahaha.. ahahanson
Edward Green
> On 23 Aug, 13:32, David Bernier <david...@videotron.ca> wrote:
>
>
> I was concentrating on Iraq. The reference is perfectly true. BTW - I
> use the word "just" in the sense that Aquinas used it. It is right to
> fight just wars. If however you have been meddling in another counties
> internal affairs that makes it UNJUST.
One man's meddling is another man's protection of the innocent.
Wife beaters never want outsiders "meddling" in their homes.
Truth is, "meddling" is a tendentious verb: truth is intervention
inside another's realm of sovereignty should probably never be
undertaken lightly -- there is always a trade off. Words like
"meddling" relieve us of the necessity of looking at that trade off,
since obviously "meddling" is always bad, even if it involves stopping
genocide and other human rights abuses.
It took a long time to pry open the "man's home is his castle"
sovereignty to allow authorities to "meddle" in pleasant spousal
abuse. After all, it's a private affair, isn't it?
Ian Parker
> On Aug 23, 2:18 pm, Ian Parker <ianpark...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On 23 Aug, 13:32, David Bernier <david...@videotron.ca> wrote:
>
>
> > I was concentrating on Iraq. The reference is perfectly true. BTW - I
> > use the word "just" in the sense that Aquinas used it. It is right to
> > fight just wars. If however you have been meddling in another counties
> > internal affairs that makes it UNJUST.
>
> One man's meddling is another man's protection of the innocent.
>
> Wife beaters never want outsiders "meddling" in their homes.
>
of the matter is that non wife beaters were ousted from power and wife
beaters put in.
http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/51/217.html
Another reference on Saddam Hussein.
Beating your wife is OK. It only becomes not OK when your wife fights
back and goes into one of your friends houses (Kuwait?)
> Truth is, "meddling" is a tendentious verb: truth is intervention
> inside another's realm of sovereignty should probably never be
> undertaken lightly -- there is always a trade off. Words like
> "meddling" relieve us of the necessity of looking at that trade off,
> since obviously "meddling" is always bad, even if it involves stopping
> genocide and other human rights abuses.
>
> It took a long time to pry open the "man's home is his castle"
> sovereignty to allow authorities to "meddle" in pleasant spousal
> abuse. After all, it's a private affair, isn't it?
I don't want a Nazi like Saddam running my home thank you very much.
Put him in power, nod and wink Iran/Iraq, start a war to oust him from
Kuwait (he would not have invaded but for Iran/Iraq) then say that we
want democracy in Iraq oust him. You then proceed to create a régime
that performs ethnic cleansing. Beating your maid and throwing her out
in the street is OK too.
My arguments against meddling are historical arguments, not in
princuile ones. If I were convinced that interventions were making the
world a better place I would be in favor of them. However manifestly
they are not. Interventions have in general replaced a reasonable
though not perfect government with one that was far worse.
Kerensky was replaced by Len - Meddling
South American democracies were all replaced by dictatorships.
Arif was replaced by Saddam Hussein who was in his turn replaced by a
overtly religious régime that imposed ethnic cleansing.
- Ian Parker
Ian Parker
in fact stayed remarkably free of this influence. I rely on Google for
the bulk of the shit.
- Ian Parker
David Bernier
> On 26 Aug, 05:57, Edward Green<spamspamsp...@netzero.com> wrote:
>> On Aug 23, 2:18 pm, Ian Parker<ianpark...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 23 Aug, 13:32, David Bernier<david...@videotron.ca> wrote:
>>>> Kermit Roosevelt @ work (1953, Iran):http://cryptome.org/iran-cia/sum.pdf-Hidequoted text -
>>> I was concentrating on Iraq. The reference is perfectly true. BTW - I
>>> use the word "just" in the sense that Aquinas used it. It is right to
>>> fight just wars. If however you have been meddling in another counties
>>> internal affairs that makes it UNJUST.
>> One man's meddling is another man's protection of the innocent.
>>
>> Wife beaters never want outsiders "meddling" in their homes.
>>
> Was Moddadeq or was Abdul Rahman Arif? Your analogy is false. The fact
> of the matter is that non wife beaters were ousted from power and wife
> beaters put in.
The coup orchestrated to overthrow Mossadeq occurred in the last years of
Churchill as PM of the U.K.
For more on the role of the British, I recommend an "investigation"
done by Mike Thomson, an award-winning British journalist.
Ref. to the page with the archived program:
< http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/history/document/document_20050822.shtml > .
David B.
Ian Parker
> Ian Parker wrote:
> > On 26 Aug, 05:57, Edward Green<spamspamsp...@netzero.com> wrote:
> >> On Aug 23, 2:18 pm, Ian Parker<ianpark...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>> On 23 Aug, 13:32, David Bernier<david...@videotron.ca> wrote:
> >>> I was concentrating on Iraq. The reference is perfectly true. BTW - I
> >>> use the word "just" in the sense that Aquinas used it. It is right to
> >>> fight just wars. If however you have been meddling in another counties
> >>> internal affairs that makes it UNJUST.
> >> One man's meddling is another man's protection of the innocent.
>
> >> Wife beaters never want outsiders "meddling" in their homes.
>
> > Was Moddadeq or was Abdul Rahman Arif? Your analogy is false. The fact
> > of the matter is that non wife beaters were ousted from power and wife
> > beaters put in.
>
> The coup orchestrated to overthrow Mossadeq occurred in the last years of
> Churchill as PM of the U.K.
>
> For more on the role of the British, I recommend an "investigation"
> done by Mike Thomson, an award-winning British journalist.
>
> Ref. to the page with the archived program:
>
> <http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/history/document/document_20050822.shtml> .
>
completely innocent. I don't weant this to develop into Britain vs the
US. Lenin was put into power by the Germans, Mossadeq by the British
with a nod and a wink from the US. South America has been almost
exclusively the US with the exception of the Falklands. That brought
about the demise of dictatorship (completely unintended BTW).
- Ian Parker
frank
> overtly religious régime that imposed ethnic cleansing.
>
> - Ian Parker
and the Scots were almost replaced by a bunch of beer swilling louts
who think food is best served mashed because they have no teeth. Same
with the Irish, though they fought back and reclaimed most of the
Emerald Isle.
At least in the Colonies, you call the local constabulary for a
domestic dispute, somebody is going to jail. That's policy.
You rotters muck up the world and leave us to fix it. India /
Pakistan, Middle East, China, Africa....WWI AND WWII. At least you
don't have the modern industry to fight a proper war, so that keeps
you enscounced in your foggy smog shrouded bog.
Ta ta for now.
Edward Green
> On 26 Aug, 05:57,EdwardGreen<spamspamsp...@netzero.com> wrote:> On Aug 23, 2:18 pm, Ian Parker <ianpark...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On 23 Aug, 13:32, David Bernier <david...@videotron.ca> wrote:
>
>
> > > I was concentrating on Iraq. The reference is perfectly true. BTW - I
> > > use the word "just" in the sense that Aquinas used it. It is right to
> > > fight just wars. If however you have been meddling in another counties
> > > internal affairs that makes it UNJUST.
>
> > One man's meddling is another man's protection of the innocent.
>
> > Wife beaters never want outsiders "meddling" in their homes.
>
> Was Moddadeq or was Abdul Rahman Arif? Your analogy is false. The fact
> of the matter is that non wife beaters were ousted from power and wife
> beaters put in.
>
> http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/51/217.html
I wasn't commenting on the merits of any particular intervention
("meddling"), but on your tendentious use of the word, which
substitutes for thought. I think the Chinese government -- which, not
being the UK or the US presumably escapes any moral sanction from you
-- resists "meddling" in the "internal affair" of Tibet.
> Another reference on Saddam Hussein.
>
> Beating your wife is OK. It only becomes not OK when your wife fights
> back and goes into one of your friends houses (Kuwait?)
>
> > Truth is, "meddling" is a tendentious verb: truth is intervention
> > inside another's realm of sovereignty should probably never be
> > undertaken lightly -- there is always a trade off. Words like
> > "meddling" relieve us of the necessity of looking at that trade off,
> > since obviously "meddling" is always bad, even if it involves stopping
> > genocide and other human rights abuses.
>
> > It took a long time to pry open the "man's home is his castle"
> > sovereignty to allow authorities to "meddle" in pleasant spousal
> > abuse. After all, it's a private affair, isn't it?
>
> I don't want a Nazi like Saddam running my home thank you very much.
> Put him in power, nod and wink Iran/Iraq, start a war to oust him from
> Kuwait (he would not have invaded but for Iran/Iraq) then say that we
> want democracy in Iraq oust him. You then proceed to create a régime
> that performs ethnic cleansing. Beating your maid and throwing her out
> in the street is OK too.
> My arguments against meddling are historical arguments, not in
> princuile ones.
I made a diligent effort to find out what "princuile" means, but all I
could discover was that it was a machine mis-scanning of "principle",
or some similar word: e.g.
Do you write your posts out in long hand, and scan them? Or are you
affecting scholarship by using some vaguely French looking word which
you count on me not looking up?
> If I were convinced that interventions were making the
> world a better place I would be in favor of them. However manifestly
> they are not. Interventions have in general replaced a reasonable
> though not perfect government with one that was far worse.
So you join the greater nation of European liberals who are
comfortable with a hands off attitude to the worst on-going genocides
because you can cite some possibly misguided or backfiring
interventions, and thereby (conveniently) conclude that all
interventions are "unjustified meddling"? Bosnia? The Sudan? Well,
we can't interfere in their "internal affairs", because in the past we
tried "meddling", and it didn't work out. Is that about right?
I think I understand you pretty well: the gist of your historical
research is that the US can do no right, other agents can do no
wrong. Given that all evil in the world stems from the US, just why
wasn't there an Earthly paradise before 1776? I guess all those old
nasties were proto-Americans. It's a tired old song -- though if I
could effect one change, it would be to make you self-conscious about
using the silly liberal buzz word "meddling".
I'll let you have the last word, because this thread is spammed across
five groups, none of which have much to do with politics in the Middle
East, except on the very thin pretension that the CIA is behind anti-
relativity propaganda! Take your best shot -- I will remain silent,
and sin no more.
Meron's dictum applies.
David Bernier
It's kind of chaotic, isn't it ... The way history plays out ...
I sincerely don't trust official Government accounts of events; they're
good for
making maps, predicting the weather and a couple of other things.
As I think you mentioned earlier, we can only speculate on how
things would have developed in Iran/Persia if Mossadeq had been
left in place. But getting real history instead of the fake stuff is
better.
David B.
Ian Parker
I have little control over the way threads develop. When scientists
follow evidence they are simply being scientists - end of story. When
irefutable evidence is being ignored one looks for other motives.
The theories of La Reta in the Einstein Hoax are very similar to those
of Deutsche Physik. There were the Vril aircraft that never flew,
there is antigravity - complete nonsense in any rational GTR
assessment.
Now if the Theory of Relativity is true, and I do not doubt it is, the
people who worked on antigravity and classified it heavily are going
to have a hell of a lot of explaining to do. There is in fact more.
Antigravity, Vril and Deutsche Physik are an IDEOLOGY not just a
scientific theory. It is a religion just like Adam and Eve. Indeed I
have suggested (tongue in cheek) that puisars are not really neutron
stars, but spacecraft sent out from Aldebaran to test our faith. The
proponants of ID have said a similar thing about fossils.
It is I think important for everyone to understand this. No amount of
scientific evidence can shake the Vril/Deutsche Physik faith. It is
not ALL the CIA only parts of it. After WW2 a significant part was
recruited from ex Nazis who imposed their ideology and faith.
Yes it is connected with the Middle East. If someone has the Vril
faith it ain't just antigravity, it is the whole structure of Nazism,
antisemitism - the works.
Pencho Valev talks about Einstein's Zombie world. Bollocks! Scientists
following evidence do not inhabit a Zombie worls, that world is
inhabited by thiose people who have an unshakable faith and do not
respond to evidence. A faith which might well sauy that neutron stars
did not give off gravitational waves, it was really spacecraft from
Aldebaran testing our faith.
These people seem to have infiltrated the upper reaches of decision
making. If people do not look at evidence they are dangerous in the US
dangerous in the Middle East, dangerous everywhere.
Why is antigravity STILL heavily classified. Keith W says it is just
bureaucracy - I wonder.
- Ian Parker
BradGuth
I'll post this following as a new topic, in which others like yourself
might care to inform the rest of us as to how good or bad this
situation has gotten.
The Civil Service Cabal
1) You get to pick and choose what news gets mainstream published.
2) You get to select, modify and/or banish whatever gets recorded as
history.
3) You get housed, clothed, transported, fed (laced with whatever
chemicals) and otherwise medicated according to policy that you have
no say in.
4) You never directly pay any taxes that are not first compensated by
way of your civil service employment.
5) You do not got get to think deductively or much less outside the
box.
6) Your body language is at risk of getting yourself in worse than hot
water.
7) Of Usenet/newsgroups postings are moderated and otherwise
exclusive.
8) Being faith-based is not an option, other than being a pretend-
Atheist.
9) Public voting that’s contrary or negative to your group policy is
simply not an option, unless losing your job and retirement benefits
(possibly your life) doesn’t bother you.
10) A dozen or more of the same cabal and otherwise faith-based
issues, many of which having lethal consequences and collateral damage
considerations.
I have had more than a few informative and/or deductive things to say
that are both good and bad, and I do not like what kinds of cabal
actions are typically taken against those of us having such good and
bad considerations to share. I am in favor of government and civil
service folks doing the right thing(s), even if it means having to
deal from time to time with their humanly honest mistakes. I’m not in
favor of civil service butt-coverings or brown-nosing every time
something dark and scary goes bump in the night.
Clearly the vast majority of those posting in Usenet/newsgroups are of
the civil service or indirectly public funded realm, and thereby part
of the same regulated and/or manipulated mainstream mindset, so it’s
expected that we few outsiders should get topic/author stalked and
bashed at each and every turn in the road, so to speak.
There are multiple examples of this cabalism from which to pick and
choose, and thereby incorporate into the various arguments/rants of
whatever it is that we’re having to say. So, it’s seldom an isolated,
rogue or all that rare of an example that we utilize in order to draw
attention or get our point across. As of nearly a decade ago, I was
unaware of the extent an depravity by which this cabal policy was
cultivated and enforced.
I have recently tried to constructively contribute to the topic of
“NASA criticism from departing employee” only to be selectively
banished and/or excluded by the original creator of this message. A
similar event of banishment or being robo/cabal excluded happened with
regard to the topic of “TRUTH IN THE CIA ZOMBIE WORLD” has taken
place, clearly indicating that much more than myself is at risk.
Right about now our DARPA/NASA is in the nearest space toilet, and
it’s about to overflow with you know what. Perhaps a few others will
have some further information to share and share alike, that is if
their present job, future employment, retirement benefits and faith-
based associations are not at risk.
Ian Parker
far less manual than you suggest. We have long gone past the point
where civil servants can make any decisions at all. Some time ago I
wriote an article on Google
http://www.paperoftheweek.com/2007/06/17/googles-initiatives-in-artificial-intelligence/
where research in linguistics etc is discussed. Google does NOT rate
anything ad hominem, it rates things purely according to frequency of
clicks. If people click on rubbish, rubbish will go to the top of the
chart.
Google's approach to language trandlation is purely statistical and
heuristic. You can see that with French. When I did french at school
agreement was always insisted on (Spanish BTW is practically identical
with French grammatically). A statistical observation enforces
agreement in the majority, but not all cases. I say this because
French (and particularly Arabic) effectively tells us what is under
the hood with Google. Suppose I ask for
"Black Bodies" - will it give me pornographic images or Stephan's
law.
This, to an extent, depends on what our surfing history is. If I say
Stepfhan Black Body I will get the laws of radiation at the top
unambiguously.
If I ask for translations of two girls (should be "binata", the proper
dual) it gives me translations of "two" and "girls". Won't give me a
proper dual.
Question to you. If Google is adopting such an obviously heuristic and
statistical approach to NL translation, is it likely that it is
adopting a different approach to basic searching. To do good searching
you need to know what people mean when they enter search queries,
something which is deeply embedded in general NLP theory. Google in
fact starts off with few assumptions.
BTW - I am an expert on stability theory, I could probably sort Ares
out. I am twice a Zombie. My NLP examples might well make me 3 times a
Zombie. Why they can't make Ares work I really don't know. I would
have though the basic theory was pretty well known.
- Ian Parker
BradGuth
>
> where research in linguistics etc is discussed. Google does NOT rate
> anything ad hominem, it rates things purely according to frequency of
> clicks. If people click on rubbish, rubbish will go to the top of the
> chart.
Google/NOVA is not purely robotic and working as passive autonomism.
DARPA can do pretty much whatever they like within Usenet/newsgroups,
and lord Google/NOVA knows this. If DARPA and other civil service
spooks and goons are doing their job, they're right in the thick of
topic/author stalking and of otherwise diverting or banishing those
they can not otherwise remote control. In other words, when the going
gets tough, they send in their brown-nosed clowns.
Ares is a bad kind of idea for manned missions, though OK for
expendable robotics. Even a fully reusable craft with merely solid
fuel busters is right up there next to being a bad idea. Using
instead, h2o2 plus a little of something else in order to improve/
maximize the kick/kg is a relatively good idea.
hanson
>
"Edward Green" <spamsp...@netzero.com> wrote in message
news:1e60108e-b83e-40be...@a8g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>
hanson observes:
Ian Parker, ianpark...@gmail.com , the Kike-adorer, barked
about his usual "Relativity-Arabic-CIA" connection like a dog
that barks in the night at a distant noise that he knows nothing
about ... all of which has been snipped for the sake of animal
rights...
>
"Edward Green" <spamsp...@netzero.com> wrote
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics/msg/61431bdbeca8124d?hl=en
wherein Ed Green wrote:
Ian Parker, I understand you pretty well:
the gist of your historical research is that the US can do
no right, other agents can do no wrong. Given that all
evil in the world stems from the US, just why wasn't
there an Earthly paradise before 1776? I guess all those
old nasties were proto-Americans. It's a tired old song
you self-conscious about using the silly liberal buzz word
"meddling".
I'll let you have the last word, because this thread is
spammed across five groups, none of which have much
to do with politics in the Middle East, except on the very
behind anti-relativity propaganda! Take your best shot
-- I will remain silent, and sin no more, because Meron's
dictum applies [that says: "When you argue with a fool
chances are he is doing just the same"]
>
hanson wrote:
ahahahaha... yeah, Ed, you are right BUT, fools are
so extraordinarily entertaining & so fucking funny that
the -- Bumper sticker dictum -- applies even better:
>
== Hire the handicapped. The are fun to watch.==
>
Thanks for the laughs, guys, ahahaha... ahahahanson
.
Ian Parker
> > BTW - I am an expert on stability theory, I could probably sort Ares
> > out. I am twice a Zombie. My NLP examples might well make me 3 times a
> > Zombie. Why they can't make Ares work I really don't know. I would
> > have though the basic theory was pretty well known.
>
> > - Ian Parker
>
> Ares is a bad kind of idea for manned missions, though OK for
> expendable robotics. Even a fully reusable craft with merely solid
> fuel busters is right up there next to being a bad idea. Using
> instead, h2o2 plus a little of something else in order to improve/
> maximize the kick/kg is a relatively good idea.
>
>
> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
What exactly are you saying? Are you saying that the CIA can
manipulate the system. In principle they can. However to do this you
would need a deep understanding of Google's internal working. ET (if
he existed) could do this easily which is why I have always said it
was a waste of time going round in 1950's SF saucers.
Basically I don't think they are that clever. If they were they would
be running Google or at any rate producing a serious competitor. They
may be trying, I think quite possibly they are. The CIA are trying,
the CIA are still trying, the CIA are still very trying. Are they
being successful? Well for a kick off if they are behind the attacks
on Relativity they show a total ignorance of the strength of the
evidence. I think they are indeed posting, their postings whatever
they are are, not having that much effect on the way any group is
operating.
I still think anyone half decent would have an Arabic translator. One
that gives duals on English -> Arabic and gets the order of nouns and
adjectives right in Arabic -> English.
Again if they were that clever Ares would work.
- Ian Parker
zzbu...@netscape.net
They are, but not relativity, but just science, in general.
Since the only thing they understand about either classical or
modern EM
is radar. So Satellites, GPS, lasers, masers, Fiber Optics, HDTV,
adpative A.I.,
PV Cells, microcomputers, parallel processors, MP3, CD, DVD+rw, XML,
cruise missiles,
drones, robots, blogs, laser printers, and USB would obviously
comfuse
cranks who only understand radar.
I think they are indeed posting, their postings whatever
> they are are, not having that much effect on the way any group is
> operating.
>
> I still think anyone half decent would have an Arabic translator. One
> that gives duals on English -> Arabic and gets the order of nouns and
> adjectives right in Arabic -> English.
>
> Again if they were that clever Ares would work.
>
> - Ian Parker- Hide quoted text -
Richard Herring
<tdp...@yahoo.com> writes
>4. The conflict between the Llama and China
China invaded Peru and I didn't notice?
--
Richard Herring
Androcles
"Richard Herring" <junk@[127.0.0.1]> wrote in message
news:kFcd0nQj...@baesystems.com...
No, but I ate a kipper for breakfast and you didn't notice, dick.
BradGuth
> What is a Zombie world? It is a world in which experimental evidence
> counts for nothing and where everyone is programmed to always say
>
> DA MOI LIDERA
>
> according to Kipling. Was the child a cow or a bull? Kipling does not
>
> It isn't just me that links Lysenko to Deutsche Physik. Wikipaedia
> does just the same thing.
>
>
> http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ufo_aleman/esp_ufoaleman_6.htmhttp://www.eyepod.org/Nazi-Disc-Photos.htmlhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_UFOs
>
> >If Zundel’s own account is to be believed – and I think it probably is – then his fictions about Nazi UFOs have funded the
>
> at stake here than just tall tales and technological fantasies; there
> would appear to be a good ethical argument to stop
> and for all.
>
> I think there is indeed more at stake, more at stake than just
> Relativity. There are also Nazi sympathisers in the various
> intelligence services.
>
>
> This is real "Betrug". The touch of authenticity is given to what is
> in essence FRAUD.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vril
>
> Vril was supposed to have been the Atlantean language. It consisted of
> a series of clicks.
>
> CIA
>
> created their own version of the Zombie world. McCarthy even devised a
> zombie test.
>
> Truth in the zombie world is simply what is politically correct.
>
This intellectual cartel/cabal is kind of like the "blue line" of a
given police force that’ll seldom police its own kind, or that of a
pope that clearly doesn't police its cardinals, or those of the devout
Zionist that seem to care less of what their rabbis do onto others,
and I'm certain our Skull and Bones cult is none different. Military
services are typically operating as much as possible behind closed
doors, as are those higher administrative doors of "do not disturb" or
simply having been privately declared as "top secret" and thus
classified away from public review.
Seems once the dastardly deed is done it's cover thy butt for all it's
worth, with as much denial and evidence exclusion as it takes.
Therefore, a relatively small number of each group need be involved in
the staging or orchestrating of a given set of events, along with some
insider controls it's entirely possible to moderate as to whatever
gets published into our mainstream media and public educational
textbooks as history.
As long as our public funded servants are given this kind of isolation
and subsequent protection is when things tend to happen out of order
or underhanded that gets us into deeper trouble, or having set
humanity back by as much as several decades.
Unfortunately, we no longer have the mineral and energy reserves that
are affordable or much less in surplus, and other significant nations
have been advancing on a similar path of enhanced living standards
that's only going to outstrip what limited global reserves that are
known to exist. Now them spendy cold wars are not only back on but
taking front stage, demanding the bulk of our public loot in order to
sustain each of their agendas, and apparently this is a good thing
(aka job security) if you're part of the government and civil service
infrastructure that's in charge of either defending or sustaining our
way of life.
Partial disclosures are almost as bad off as having no disclosure,
because it gives those in charge wiggle room.
BradGuth
Our DARPA has whatever it takes, and then some.
Do not underestimate the powers and motives of their civil service
cabal.
You don't need to be entirely in charge of Google/NOVA if a little
insider manipulation is all it takes. Just like Hitler wasn't fully
in charge of his extended army of Zionist/Nazis and fellow brown-nosed
minions.
A swarm of killer bees doesn't require a leader, because they sort of
all think alike as is.