Relativity and the Nazi meme
Talebun
Relativity. I am going to show that anti Relativity not only affects
Physics but has a very much wider political context. Scientists are
not asked to be experts on (say) the Middle East. However they must as
citizens have wider concerns than just science. as far as as academic
Physics is concerned not very. Relativity has impeccable scientific
credentials.
http://ianparker.g3z.com/Relativity/
when set out puts the scientific case beyond reasonable doubt. All
academic scientists accept this. What is the point of this posting?
Well I want to point out that there are wider non scientific issues.
Are all anti relativists Nazi? No but there are a surprising number of
do express anti-Semitic views.
I would say the motives of anti Relativists vary. Some are as you say
are simply imbeciles, but there is a hard core of those who are
poisonous. By poisonous I refer to anti Semitism and/or identification
with German militarism. On that definition Tom Potter, Koobee Wublee
and Hanson are in the "poisonous" category. NoEinstein is borderline
he is postulating Jewish conspiracies but is not a real anti Semite.
Pentcho Valev the most prolific ant Relativity poster is a clear
eccentric, nothing more nothing less. He does however support Deutsche
Physik a notorious Nazi distortion.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deutsche_Physik
OK you might say this all happened over 60 years ago. Does it have any
relevance for us now. Unfortunately it does. The postings upon which
my "poisonous" judgement is made are all recent. Mostly 2008.
The "Einstein Hoax" website puts forward many of the arguments of the
Nazis. The "Einstein Hoax" proves that there is still an active and
dangerous Neo Nazi cult around. It is this that should be of the
greatest concern to us. I am not writing for academic scientists I am
writing much more in the hope that politicians will take a look at
what is happening in their intelligence services and take the
appropriate action.
Why has Nazi influence been so persistent? We can look at this in a
number of ways. Richard Dawkins talks about memes and their spread.
Nazism in fact represents a kind of DNA that exists in a host. Dawkins
talks about Religion as being a meme. There are many other memes
around the most dangerous of which are nationalist and Nazi. A host
who is in a position of power will spread memes by ensuring that they
promote other carriers.
The meme first entered the CIA after WW2.
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/CIA/Gehlen_Org.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reinhard_Gehlen
Gehlen was an extremely manipulative character who established a
network of ex Nazi intelligence officers working for the CIA. The US
never seemed to twig that Gehlen was not a believer in Liberal
Democracy. As I have said he was manipulative.
Now intelligence services frequently act against their own
governments. It is well known that the ISI is helping the Taliban,
something that is not in the interests of any one else in Pakistan.
Intelligence services work on the basis of the "need to know". This
allows them a lot more freedom of action than you would get if you
were in the regular US Armed Forces. When you say the CIA did this
that or the other, what is the case is that a cell in the CIA did it.
Thus the whole CIA does not have to be Nazi to contain Nazi plots. In
fact as we shall see a relatively small number of people in the right
positions can have an enormous influence on Foreign Policy. We say the
CIA set up dictatorships in Latin America. The CIA helped Saddam
Hussein into power.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saddam_Hussein
http://www.btinternet.com/~nlpWESSEX/Documents/FightSmart18-11-2001.htm
The CIA set up and funded the ISI that now supports so called
students. (Talebun pl Taleban)
http://www.mideastnewswire.com/archive/me_nc_islamists.html
This is quite interesting and perhaps gives us a slightly different
perspective on Islam. Islamo Fascism comes from the same root as
secular Fascism, but that is really another story. The fact of the
matter is that Nazi influence has had a baleful influence on the
Middle East
All this shows I think that Nazi influence is very much alive and
well. There may not be that many Nazis but they are disproportionately
represented in the intelligence services. Intelligence services like
the ISI are very much loose cannons that support their own agendas.
These agendas are often different from those of the governments they
claim to serve.
ANTIGRAVITY RESEARCH
Let us first take a look at what GTR says about Gravity. Gravity
results from a curvature in space/time. To influence gravity, to build
wormholes and warp drives you need negative mass + stupendous forces.
It is something that only a really advanced (Type 3) civilization
could possibly contemplate. Even then negative mass would most
probable (I said 99.9999% certain) lead to Inflation rather than to
anything else. There are time paradoxes attached to FTL travel by any
means.
Yet despite denials antigravity research is still going on.
http://www.slate.com/id/2072733/
http://www.padrak.com/agn/
http://www.janes.com/aerospace/civil/news/jdw/jdw020729_1_n.shtml
I feel I should point out here that Jane's is a very respected source.
The thing that I can't understand is what theories they are basing
their work on.
The thing to remember from the political point of view is that
Antigravity is very much linked to Nazi influence. The Nazis claimed
to have aircraft (Vril aircraft) of stupendous performance. This of
course turned out to be a complete lie. However it was a lie that gave
the Nazi meme a foothold. This is described in.
http://ianparker.g3z.com/Relativity/Hoax.htm
The section on A. Gravity, Vortices, and Quantum Numerology gives the
theory that appears to underpin this sort of research. It seems to be
based on the idea of vortices in the Aether. It is true that aircraft
can be lifted by vortices of air of the top surface. This is however
an aerodynamic effect due to air pressure being reduced in the centre
of the vortex.
http://ianparker.g3z.com/Relativity/Aviation.htm
There were indeed VTOL flying disc aircraft produced by the Nazis at
the end of WW2. A compendium is given in the reference
http://discaircraft.greyfalcon.us/
One you get beyond the glam pusses and Nazi propaganda there are some
very interesting articles.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Piecraft/Jenseitsflugmaschine From
Wikipaedia
http://discaircraft.greyfalcon.us/The%20Vril%20Discs.htm Aldebaran
(khayyid?)
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ufo_aleman/esp_ufoaleman_6.htm
2000+km/h endurance 5½ hr was absolutely absurd.
Antigravity is an interesting subject, not because of the Physics,
which is total nonsense, but because of the sociology. Antigravity
gives credence to the claims of evolutionary biologists who talk about
memes.
We can see therefore that any "experimental" evidence for AG is a
complete misinterpretation of results. The phenomenon is aerodynamic,
it will not and cannot work in a vacuum. It may be investigated using
hydro codes which is the normal way we investigate aerodynamics these
days. Computers are very powerful even at the PC level.
AG research has since WW2 been highly classified. It is difficult for
an outsider to look into the secret world. The Physics is, of course,
crystal clear. Thee is no AG but :-
1) Is the twaddle actually believed?
2) Has the secret world deliberately taken us for a ride. Is Area 51
and Roswell the crime of the century?
3) Is AG a secret code for something more mainstream. Vortex Physics
for example.
4) Is the SW attempting to get the enemy to spend more money. They
must not know that we know that we know etc. A joke that has
frequently been made against intelligence.
It seems incredible to me that no one has twigged what Vortex lift
really is, if they have not. It does indeed appear that they are
taking us for a ride. If Pencho Valev et al. were to admit that
Relativity were true then proceedings for fraud would follow
immediately. It would be clear that we were being strung along. All
the evidence I have been able to gather by looking at postings etc.
would seem to indicate that they basically knew Relativity was true,
but dare not admit it.
http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/Nazi-UFO Fraud, fraud, fraud!
AG started off with these claims of high performance disc aircraft
that worked on principles which defied Relativity.
http://www.zamandayolculuk.com/cetinbal/HTMLdosya1/vriltechnology.htm
Best account of CLAIMS. That these claims were all nonsense is now
palpably clear.
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/reichblacksun/contents.htm
The book describes the Black Sun cult well. It was not however written
by a scientist and suffers from the fact that the author believes the
Nazis were a lot further advanced than they were or could have been.
The meme does not confer fitness. After all WW2 was lost along with 4
Arab Israeli wars. The Israelis have proved to have far fitter memes
at least at one level. However to say that is perhaps to misunderstand
Evolution. A meme is what survives and is fit or unfit, not the host.
The host can die but if they manage to pass on their memes the meme is
still fit.
To judge from anti Relativity postings the meme is extremely fit. It
is in fact being spread by people like Androcles who regard themselves
as being clever. The meme will destroy its hosts and the infection
must be combated with the utmost vigour.
Androcles
"Talebun" <pmpa...@btinternet.com> wrote in message
news:ea19a67a-bb97-48f3...@y21g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
There has been a spate of postings criticising the theory of
Relativity. I am going to show that anti Relativity not only affects
Physics but has a very much wider political context. Scientists are
not asked to be experts on (say) the Middle East. However they must as
citizens have wider concerns than just science. as far as as academic
Physics is concerned not very. Relativity has impeccable scientific
credentials.
Jesus Christ, Herod, Julius Caeser, Hitler and Stalin had impeccable
credentials, they said so. Since I'm not a politician but a mathematician,
fuck off.
Relativity is crap.
Why did Einstein say
the speed of light from A to B is c-v,
the speed of light from B to A is c+v,
the "time" each way is the same?
Your answer goes here:
________________________________________________________
Other answers have been:
According to Ian Parker:
"We are not talking about the speed of light here we are talking
classical stability theory." -- Idiot Ian Parker.
______________________________________________________
According to cretin harald.vanlin...@epfl.ch
"Easy: he did NOT say that."
According to moron van lintel, Einstein did not write the equation he wrote.
______________________________________________________
According to xxein:
It is an artefactual/superficially imposed yin-yang of sorts.
______________________________________________________
According to Lamenting Shubert:
Why do you want to know?
______________________________________________________
According to Imbecile Jimmy Black:
" In neither system (meaning frame of reference in modern-day terminology)
is the speed of light c-v or c+v. In both systems the speed of light is c."
According to the imbecile Jimmy Black, Einstein did not write the equation
he wrote.
______________________________________________________
According to Dork Bruere
"I don't give a damn what Einstein wrote."
______________________________________________________
According to Spirit of Truth:
that math is correct but WRONG
______________________________________________________
According to constipated Eric Gisse
"I don't give a shit (fill in the blank ____________)."
______________________________________________________
'we establish by definition that the "time" required by
light to travel from A to B equals the "time" it requires
to travel from B to A' because I SAY SO and you have to
agree because I'm the great genius, STOOOPID, don't you
dare question it. -- Rabbi Albert Einstein
Mehran Basti
Talebun wrote:
> Are all anti relativists Nazi? No but there are a surprising number of
> do express anti-Semitic views.
>
It is a very careful trick you use in order to suppress any voices
against relativity, i.e. generally labeling those against relativity
theory as Nazis or anti-Semites.
I am not physicist myself, but there are some who do no believe in
relativity premises but they are not allowed to practice their other
research in physics. They need to be given opportunities to get into
physics departments.
After all most of those well know people accepted initially the
relativity theory were Jewish, do some research who was and who was
not.
Obviously they were in position of more preference to accepting the
theory.
Dr.Mehran Basti
Ian Parker
however.
1) It is understandable that people were critical of Relativity when
it first came out. It was a completely new way of looking at things.
Nowadays the evidence has stacked in a way which it did not stack
before.
2) People are not being slured. Looking at the postings of a number of
people there is a distinct Nazi meme.
I feel I should also say a few words about Mercury. In the early 20th
century it was quite possible to put 43" per century down to other
causes. With all the space probes the dynamics of the solar system is
known a lot more accurately. We need accuracy to track down Earth
crossing asteroids amoung other things. 43" is due to GTR and only to
GTR.
- Ian Parker
Strich 9
Ian Parker;1210600 Wrote:
>
>
> I feel I should also say a few words about Mercury. In the early 20th
> century it was quite possible to put 43" per century down to other
> causes. With all the space probes the dynamics of the solar system is
> known a lot more accurately. We need accuracy to track down Earth
> crossing asteroids amoung other things. 43" is due to GTR and only to
> GTR.
>
> - Ian Parker
Great. Now re-measure the precession (of the perihelion of the orbit)
of Earth?
SR/GR has indeed stacked a lot of circumstantial evidence. Taken one
at a time, NOT ONE, will stand to INTENSE SCRUTINY. Try me.
--
Strich 9
Ian Parker
further away. You could in fact measure Eros although it is not in
fact a dangerous Earth crosser.
- Ian Parker
Dirk Van de moortel
85643fce-1d05-4f7d...@c58g2000hsc.googlegroups.com
I made the calculations a while ago:
Mercury: 43.0 (observed 43.1 +/- 0.5 )
Venus: 8.63 (observed 8.4 +/- 4.8)
Earth: 3.84 (observed 5.0 +/- 1.2 )
Mars: 1.35 (observed ?)
Icarus: 10.1 (observed 9.8 +/- 0.8 )
Ceres: 0.303 (observed ?)
Eros: 1.57 (observed ?)
Dirk Vdm
Ian Parker
SperM.hotmail.com> wrote:
> Ian Parker <ianpark...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> 85643fce-1d05-4f7d-8af6-ae715a71c...@c58g2000hsc.googlegroups.com
circular. Amazing that you can compute the perigee and apogee of Venus
with any accuracy. Probably this adds up to +/- 4.8. e (Venus) =
0.0068
http://www.windows.ucar.edu/tour/link=/our_solar_system/planets_table.html
My textbook on General Relativity says that the precessions of the
other planets were undetectable. No longer. This is one of the things
you mean by "stacking up".
- Ian Parker
Strich 9
Dirk Van de moortel;1211544 Wrote:
>
>
> I made the calculations a while ago:
> Mercury: 43.0 (observed 43.1 +/- 0.5 )
> Venus: 8.63 (observed 8.4 +/- 4.8)
> Earth: 3.84 (observed 5.0 +/- 1.2 )
> Mars: 1.35 (observed ?)
> Icarus: 10.1 (observed 9.8 +/- 0.8 )
> Ceres: 0.303 (observed ?)
> Eros: 1.57 (observed ?)
>
> Dirk Vdm
What a JOKE!
You have now resorted to faking the data.
What's next?
--
Strich 9
Ian Parker
http://www.ingentaconnect.com/content/klu/gerg/2004/00000036/00000007/00487387
Pulsars
http://www.rssd.esa.int/SA-general/Projects/GAIA_files/LATEX2HTML/node142.html
http://www.imcce.fr/~hestro/papers/comm_GAIA3D_orbit.pdf
http://journals.cambridge.org/action/displayAbstract;jsessionid=A90E4C23D2CEBF961D545DA6E68C35B5.tomcat1?fromPage=online&aid=1930544
These references are all on minor planets (solar system) and also
references to pulsar. Pulsars in fact do 2 things. Their orbits
precess very much faster than Mercury and they also give off evergy in
the form of gravitational waves.
Attention has been given to Earth Crossers because of the risk they
pose. GTR has reduced uncertainty to the point where the main unknown
orbital parameters are such things as the effect of pressure of solar
radiation and the solar wind.
Tom Potter has talked about the usefulness of GTR. I suppose he wants
New York destroyed.
- Ian Parker
Tom Potter
"Ian Parker" <ianpa...@gmail.com> wrote in message news:de4100e5-7724-4729...@k7g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...
Ian Parker makes a good point when her points out
that on needs use 15 hacks of General Relativity
using Newtonian and Maxwellian physics,
taking things like magnetic fields, permeability,
atmospheres drag, electric charge, permittivity, etc.
into account if one wants to model all know effects acting on
a body in motion.
As is well known,
some of the things affect the measured frequency of a
remote oscillator that are taken into account
in the GPS System include"
1. distance - Hubble Effect
2. velocity - Doppler Effect
3. Acceleration - Galileo Effect
4. Temperature - temperature effect
and as can be seen, one equation
discovered by Galileo centuries ago,
can be used to account for the basic offset
used in the GPS orbiting oscillators,
and it is not necessary to use the thirteen hacks
used by the GTR Gurus on the taxpayer dole,
to rationalize this useful, but NOT essential
frequency offset.
--
Tom Potter
http://www.geocities.com/tdp1001/index.html
http://notsocrazyideas.blogspot.com
http://www.flickr.com/photos/tom-potter/
http://tdp1001.wiki.zoho.com
http://groups.msn.com/PotterPhotos
http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/dingleberry.htm
Sam Wormley
>
> Ian Parker makes a good point when her points out
> that on needs use 15 hacks of General Relativity
> using Newtonian and Maxwellian physics,
> taking things like magnetic fields, permeability,
> atmospheres drag, electric charge, permittivity, etc.
>
> into account if one wants to model all know effects acting on
> a body in motion.
>
> As is well known,
> some of the things affect the measured frequency of a
> remote oscillator that are taken into account
> in the GPS System include"
>
> 1. distance - Hubble Effect
> 2. velocity - Doppler Effect
> 3. Acceleration - Galileo Effect
> 4. Temperature - temperature effect
>
> and as can be seen, one equation
> discovered by Galileo centuries ago,
> can be used to account for the basic offset
> used in the GPS orbiting oscillators,
>
> and it is not necessary to use the thirteen hacks
> used by the GTR Gurus on the taxpayer dole,
> to rationalize this useful, but NOT essential
> frequency offset.
>
What you wrote smells like you were talk'n out yer ass.
And I'll betcha think I just made a good point! Eh Pal!
Dirk Van de moortel
I got the data from
http://www.mathpages.com/rr/s6-02/6-02.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venus
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mars
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1566_Icarus
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ceres_%28dwarf_planet%29
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/433_Eros
Dirk Vdm
Dirk Van de moortel
Strich.9...@physicsbanter.com
I faked the data from:
http://www.mathpages.com/rr/s6-02/6-02.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venus
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mars
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1566_Icarus
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ceres_%28dwarf_planet%29
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/433_Eros
Dirk Vdm
>
> What's next?
Next I might tell you where I faked the standard equation from.
If you ask politely.
Dirk Vdm
Dirk Van de moortel
dI7qk.302879$yE1.45804@attbi_s21
> Tom Potter wrote:
>
>>
>> Ian Parker makes a good point when her points out
>> that on needs use 15 hacks of General Relativity
>> using Newtonian and Maxwellian physics,
>> taking things like magnetic fields, permeability,
>> atmospheres drag, electric charge, permittivity, etc.
>>
>> into account if one wants to model all know effects acting on
>> a body in motion.
>>
>> As is well known,
>> some of the things affect the measured frequency of a
>> remote oscillator that are taken into account
>> in the GPS System include"
>>
>> 1. distance - Hubble Effect
>> 2. velocity - Doppler Effect
>> 3. Acceleration - Galileo Effect
>> 4. Temperature - temperature effect
Physics - simplism effect
http://users.telenet.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/PotterTable.html
Dirk Vdm
Richard Herring
[...]
> on needs use 15 hacks of General Relativity
[...]
>the thirteen hacks
I bet he can't name _five_.
--
Richard Herring
Tom Potter
"Dirk Van de moortel" <dirkvand...@ThankS-NO-SperM.hotmail.com> wrote in message news:g8ba7l$63d$1...@news-pa1.hpl.hp.com...
> Sam Wormley <swor...@mchsi.com> wrote in message
> dI7qk.302879$yE1.45804@attbi_s21
>> Tom Potter wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Ian Parker makes a good point when her points out
>>> that on needs use 15 hacks of General Relativity
>>> using Newtonian and Maxwellian physics,
>>> taking things like magnetic fields, permeability,
>>> atmospheres drag, electric charge, permittivity, etc.
>>>
>>> into account if one wants to model all know effects acting on
>>> a body in motion.
>>>
>>> As is well known,
>>> some of the things affect the measured frequency of a
>>> remote oscillator that are taken into account
>>> in the GPS System include"
>>>
>>> 1. distance - Hubble Effect
>>> 2. velocity - Doppler Effect
>>> 3. Acceleration - Galileo Effect
>>> 4. Temperature - temperature effect
>
> Physics - simplism effect
> http://users.telenet.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/PotterTable.html
I would like my pal Dork Moortel for calling attention to
the "World's simplest overview of physics".
the world's BEST physics Mnemonic.
For a detailed explanation of this chart,
visit my web site and download the PDF file
"Uniting the four forces"
The chart below will help folks remember the dimensions of the physical properties.
Properties to the right are in increasing powers of distance, ( L^n)
and properties down are increasing powers of per unit time. t^-n)
0ne Two Three Four ( Points)
====================================
( L^0) (L^1) (L^2) (L^3) (L= distance)
------------------------------------------------------
0ne distance area volume
time^-1 velocity diffusity volume flow
density acceleration phi mass
momentum angular mom viscosity mass flow
force energy pressure spring constant
D power charge poynting vector
J H current capacitance^-1
====================================
Some of the relationships are simple and well known,
such as:
volume per time = volume flow
mass per time = mass flow
charge per time = current
momentum per time = force
distance per time = velocity
velocity per time = acceleration
acceleration per time = jerk
( Jerk * a constant has the dimensions of angular momentum)
angular momentum per time = energy
energy per time = power
Although most common physical properties can be
understood by visualizing the chart,
to comprehend how time, space and mass
are integrated with the electrical properties
download the "Uniting the four forces" pdf file.
I would also like to thank my pal Dork,
for posting on his attack web site
under the title "Assfixations"
my Pappy's comment that
"You get better information from the horse's mouth,
than you get from a horse's ass."
Although I was disappointed to see that Dork
confused the idea that original sources
are better than quotes with a spin,
with "Assfixations", I am confident that
intelligent folks comprehend the idea.
Perhaps Dork's "Anal fixation" was caused, as Freud suggests,
by too much punishment during toilet training.
Google "Anal stage of development"
if you want to understand guys like my pal Dork Moorteel.
Tom Potter
"Sam Wormley" <swor...@mchsi.com> wrote in message news:dI7qk.302879$yE1.45804@attbi_s21...
Sam's post reminds me of the guy who
went to his doctor because he was always passing gas.
He told the doctor,
"So far, I have been able to release the gas quietly,
but I live in fear that I may let one go that stinks."
As the doctor was examining him,
he released some gas and said:
"See what I mean doctor.
Do you think you'll have to operate on my ass."
The doctor replied,
'No, but I may have to operate on your nose."
Of course, Sammy's problem is
that he has been using the flame web sites
of Eric Max Francis and Dork Moortel
as his primary references so long,
and he has his nose up Einstein's butt so far,
that he is accustomed to stink,
and can't distinguish the smell of shit
from the smell of roses.
My Pal Sammy needs an operation on his nose,
to get it working right.
Sam Wormley
> "Dirk Van de moortel" <dirkvand...@ThankS-NO-SperM.hotmail.com> wrote in message news:g8ba7l$63d$1...@news-pa1.hpl.hp.com...
>> Physics - simplism effect
>> http://users.telenet.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/PotterTable.html
>
> I would like my pal Dork Moortel for calling attention to
> the "World's simplest overview of physics".
> the world's BEST physics Mnemonic.
>
Potter seems to miss the obvious that his "table" ranges
from deeply flawed to utterly ridiculous. And worse.. he
doesn't know why!
Tom Potter
"Sam Wormley" <swor...@mchsi.com> wrote in message news:DCpqk.249127$TT4.44357@attbi_s22...
I am disappointed to see that my pal Sammy,
confuses a great mnemonic with a physics theory,
is all bent out of shape by
the world's BEST physiccal properties mnemonic.
--
Tom Potter
"Richard Herring" <junk@[127.0.0.1]> wrote in message news:g0eMYvoH...@baesystems.com...
1. magnetic field
2. electric field
3. Hubble Effect (Distance)
4. Doppler Effect (Velocity)
5. Galileo Effect (Acceleration)
6. bearing friction
7. windage
8. light radiation
9. metal creep
etc,
etc.
etc.
Richard Herring
>
>"Richard Herring" <junk@[127.0.0.1]> wrote in message
>news:g0eMYvoH...@baesystems.com...
>> In message <g8aj55$qjm$1...@aioe.org>, Tom Potter <t...@hotsheet.com> writes
>>
>> [...]
>>
>>> on needs use 15 hacks of General Relativity
>>
>> [...]
>>
>>>the thirteen hacks
>>
>> I bet he can't name _five_.
>>
>
Magnetic field is a "hack of General Relativity"?
[snip 8 even sillier "hacks"]
>etc,
>etc.
>etc.
>
0/13. (Or maybe 0/15 ;-)
--
Richard Herring
Sam Wormley
> "Richard Herring" <junk@[127.0.0.1]> wrote in message news:g0eMYvoH...@baesystems.com...
>> In message <g8aj55$qjm$1...@aioe.org>, Tom Potter <t...@hotsheet.com> writes
>>
>> [...]
>>
>>> on needs use 15 hacks of General Relativity
>> [...]
>>
>>> the thirteen hacks
>> I bet he can't name _five_.
>>
>> --
>> Richard Herring
>
> 1. magnetic field
> 2. electric field
> 3. Hubble Effect (Distance)
> 4. Doppler Effect (Velocity)
> 5. Galileo Effect (Acceleration)
> 6. bearing friction
> 7. windage
> 8. light radiation
> 9. metal creep
> etc,
> etc.
> etc.
>
Christ, Potter, those things have nothing to do with the relativistic
corrections concerning global satellite navigation systems.
mitchs...@gmail.com
> By poisonous I refer to anti Semitism and/or identification
> with German militarism. On that definition Tom Potter, Koobee Wublee
> and Hanson are in the "poisonous" category
>
hanson is not anti-semitic, you just don't know how to read him...and
he doesn't care.
Androcles
<mitchs...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:8955a49d-17a1-4010...@p25g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
Too right. There is world of difference between being anti-religion and
anti-(ethnic/racial group). With all the religions there are in the world
they
can't all be right and not all Semites are religious.
One man's meat is another man's poison, I decided a while ago that
"Tail - buns" is of the poisonous variety, a nymshifting snake-in-the-grass
that will bite if it gets the chance. Just ignore it and it will go away.
hanson
ahahaha... AHAHAHAHA...AHAHAHA....See here in
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics.relativity/msg/d8fea1b49fba9cb7?hl=en
wherein he said:
::IP:: Just to see how easy it was to
::IP:: set up another account I have just
::IP:: done so. (signed - Ian Parker
>
Ian Parker, <ianparker2 at gmail.com> aka Talebun,
aka Talibun, aka Tail-Arse, the fat kike is exhibiting
himself here as <pmparker6 at btinternet.com> the
acronym for "post menopausal parker sucks big time" .
>
IP is a fanatical Einstein Dingleberry and a reject,
a totally useless soldier in Sharon's Army of Light.
"Tail-arse-Parker" is seen here giving, on video, his
whole passion-spiel and speech
or in < http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=e1842edc4f > or in
< http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SO_qkUrtAIg > or in
<
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=drunken+settler&search_type=&aq=f >
of which "Tail-arse-Parker" wrote these profound
4-lines:
::IP:: By poisonous I refer to anti Semitism and/or
::IP:: identification with German militarism. On that definition
::IP:: Tom Potter, Koobee Wublee and Hanson are in the
::IP:: "poisonous" category
>>
<mitchs...@gmail.com> wrote
hanson is not anti-semitic, you just don't know how to read
him...and he doesn't care.
>
Too right. There is world of difference between being
anti-religion and anti-(ethnic/racial group). With all the religions
there are in the world they can't all be right and not all Semites
are religious. One man's meat is another man's poison, I
decided a while ago that "Tail - buns" is of the poisonous variety,
a nymshifting snake-in-the-grass that will bite if it gets the chance.
Just ignore it and it will go away.
>
.... HAHAHA.. Mitch, I'll show you how deeply I care
for kike Parker... and ... ahahahaha... Andro, Ian
"Tail-arse-Parker" is neither poisonous nor a snake.
Ian is simply high on grass and it gives him extreme
forms of paranoia with its variety of fetishes like his
Nazi and CIA/Vril anxieties that he suffers from.
Ian is an embarrassment for the Jewish community.
>
But worse, "Tail-arse-Parker" does not know that Anti-
Semitism is a highly sought after and extremely desirable
and precious commodity by/for the Jewish leadership.
Ex- Prime minister, Ariel Sharon, the great Israeli patriot,
knew the game all too well when he said in this interview:
< http://sandiego.indymedia.org/en/2002/04/1003.shtml > or in
< http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics/msg/be8452e683364a49 >
::Sharon:: ...Darkness is falling again. And we know what
::Sharon:: happens to a Jew who stays out in the dark. Let them
::Sharon:: be afraid, let them suffer. They should hurry home before
::Sharon:: it gets really dark. Jews don't grasp things quickly.
::Sharon:: I am willing to volunteer to do the dirty work for Israel,
::Sharon:: to pull the rug from underneath the feet of the Diaspora
::Sharon:: Jews, [the US Ashkenazis], so that they will be forced to
::Sharon:: run [home] to us crying. Even if it means blowing up one
::Sharon:: or two synagogues here and there, I don't care. What you
::Sharon:: lot don't understand is that the dirty work of Zionism is
::Sharon:: not finished yet, far from it. So I am an anti-Semite.
::Sharon:: I don't mind.
::Sharon:: ** I will do all I can to increase Anti-Semitism **, and be
::Sharon:: prepared to absorb the Yids I will force to flee to this
::Sharon:: country [IL] and teach them to be a light unto the gentiles.
::Sharon::
::Sharon:: We are **Judeo-Nazis**.We might use nuclear arms.
::Sharon:: .... we might go wild and burn all the oil fields in the
::Sharon:: Middle East! --- We might start World War Three.
::Sharon:: I am disgrace to humanity, I don't mind, on the contrary.
::Sharon:: You can call me anything you like. Call me a monster
::Sharon:: or a murderer. Just note that I don't hate Arabs. On the
::Sharon:: contrary. Personally, I am much more at ease with them.
::Sharon:: It's ***the Yids that are all twisted***. In order to straighten
::Sharon:: them out you have to first bend them sharply the other
::Sharon:: way. That, in brief, is my whole ideology.
>
hanson wrote:
.... ahahahahaha... AHAHAHAHAHA... ahahahaha..
AHAHAHAHAHA... Thanks for the laughs, guys!
ahahaha... hahahahanson
Androcles
"hanson" <han...@quick.net> wrote in message
news:z34rk.318$p72.35@trnddc05...
Ian Parker
It is how he seems to me. Whether he cares or not I don't know. I do
feel everyone else should be aware of the anti Relativity pedigree.
- Ian Parker
Tom Potter
And of course,
agreeing with the Jews own version of history that
they have come into conflict with all of their neighbors
(Mesopotamia, Palestine, Egypt, Palestine, Persia, Rome, Spain,
England, France, Spain again Germany, recently Russia and Palestine again.).
throughout history does not make "Potter" anti-Semitic,
nor does agreeing with the Jews own version of the current world situation
that most of the folks on the planet today are anti-Semitic.
And of course, expressing the historical facts
that Jews were central to the Class Wars of the 1900's,
and are central to the Religious Wars of the 2000's
does not make "Potter" anti-Semitic.
Nor is it anti-Semitic to point out the dangers to society
of using Institutionalized Bigotry to control the flow of information.
The definition of "bigot" is:
"A prejudiced person
who is intolerant of any opinions differing from his own."
To read the stories of a few of the many folks
who have been victims of Institutionalized bigotry
visit the web site below.
<http://www.zundelsite.org/english/debate/victims/index.html>
Tom Potter
"Sam Wormley" <swor...@mchsi.com> wrote in message news:RKYqk.306465$yE1.13266@attbi_s21...
I am surprised to see that my pal Sammy
does not know that when the data from an experiment
designed to rationalize General Relativity,
does not fit the GTR model,
that the GTR Gurus hack the data
using Newtonian and Maxwellian models
and attrivute the varations to
magnetic and electric effects, windage, etc.
Excerpts from a couple of posts I made about Gravity Probe B
are listed below.
As I predicted on April 11,
the results to be annouinced on April 15
would be "Yes Virginia, frame dragging MIGHT occur."
As can be seen, the General Relativity Welfare Mothers
announced that they would
"announce the final results of the experiment in December 2007".
What were the "final results"?
Have they proven or disproven GTR,
or will they try to con the taxpayers out of a few billion
more dollars for "Gravity Probe C"?
Quote
======================
Newsgroups: sci.physics
Subject: Gravity Probe B results
Date: 15 Apr 2007 05:36:14 -0700
As I posted on 11 April 2007 Wednesday 5:06 PM,
=======================================
"as can be seen by the recent news,
over one billion of the tax payers dollars have been spent
on just one of the many projects to rationalize General Relativity
( Gravity Probe-B ).
Papers on the General Relativity experiment will be forthcoming
in a few days, and maybe, just maybe,
the scientists on the taxpayer dole,
who promoted this project will make the astounding announcement
that "Yes Virginia, frame dragging MIGHT occur."
===============================================
Here is the report on the Gravity Probe B frame dragging experiment
which was released today 4/15/2007.
"The other effect, called frame-dragging, is the amount by which the
rotating Earth drags local space-time around with it. According to
Einstein's theory, over the course of a year, the geodetic warping of
Earth's local space-time causes the spin axes of each gyroscope to
shift from its initial alignment by a minuscule angle of 6.606 arc-
seconds (0.0018 degrees) in the plane of the spacecraft's orbit.
Likewise, the twisting of Earth's local space-time causes the spin
axis to shift by an even smaller angle of 0.039 arc-seconds (0.000011
degrees) - about the width of a human hair viewed from a quarter mile
away - in the plane of the Earth's equator. GP-B Scientists expect to
announce the final results of the experiment in December 2007,
following eight months of further data analysis and refinement.
<Data has been on file for two years, and although over one billion
dollars has been spent on this particular rationalization of General
Relativity, they need at least eight more months to <cook the books?>
==============
End quote
Tom Potter
"Richard Herring" <richard...@baesystems.com> wrote in message news:9mDrMwP3...@baesystems.com...
"Richard Herring" makes a good point!
When the measured data in an experiment
designed to rationalize General Relativity,
such as the billion dollar "Gravity Probe B" experiment,
does not fit the General Relativity model,
the data is "hacked" not the General Relativity model.
In other words,
General Relativity is used as the standard against which the
data is to be compared, and if the data does not fit the
General Relativity model, the data is "hacked"
and "adjustments" to
1. magnetic field
2. electric field
3. Hubble Effect (Distance)
4. Doppler Effect (Velocity)
5. Galileo Effect (Acceleration)
6. bearing friction
7. windage
8. light radiation
9. metal creep
etc,
etc.
etc.
using various Newtonian and Maxwellian models
to try to make the "hacked" data agree with General Relativity.
I might point out that I helped instrument an experiment
back in the 1960's that attempted to measure
"Flat space-time radiation" to rationalized General Relativity.
A tiny ball bearing was spun up to thousands of RPM
in a high vacuum obtained using a Varian VacIon pump.
The RPM was optically monitored,
and a plot was made of the decay of the angular velocity.
An effort was made to account for every thing that caused
the ball bearing to lose angular velocity,
and as is always done, each of the affects
was attributed to such things as windage, metal creep,
the "generator effect" whereby microscopic magnetism
in the ball bearing caused an electric current to be
induced into surrounding conductors, etc.
The point being, that in General Relativity experiments,
General Relativity becomes both the model and the standard,
that the data must fit, and if the data doesn't fit GTR
the GTR Gurus look for Newtonian and Maxwellian
"effects" to hack the data.
People like Galileo, Volta, Faraday and Edison
let the chips (Data) fall where they may,
and tried to use artifact to improve the human condition,
or to understand Nature.
Today, General Relativity Guru's, all on the taxpayer dole,
and the brainwashed General Relativity Cultists,
( None of whom can start with "T = G"
and compute just one of the many tides that Newton
computed centuries ago hand calculating using his model.)
make General Relativity, rather than Nature,
the standard that data must fit.
Note that the billion dollar Gravity Probe B welfare mothers
are demanding even more millions from the taxpayers
in order to "cook the books".
Richard Herring
>
>"Richard Herring" <richard...@baesystems.com> wrote in message
>news:9mDrMwP3...@baesystems.com...
>> In message <g8h556$oup$1...@aioe.org>, Tom Potter <t...@hotsheet.com> writes
>>>
>>>"Richard Herring" <junk@[127.0.0.1]> wrote in message
>>>news:g0eMYvoH...@baesystems.com...
>>>> In message <g8aj55$qjm$1...@aioe.org>, Tom Potter <t...@hotsheet.com> writes
>>>>
>>>> [...]
>>>>
>>>>> on needs use 15 hacks of General Relativity
>>>>
>>>> [...]
>>>>
>>>>>the thirteen hacks
>>>>
>>>> I bet he can't name _five_.
>>>>
>>>
>>>1. magnetic field
>>
>> Magnetic field is a "hack of General Relativity"?
>>
>> [snip 8 even sillier "hacks"]
>>
>>>etc,
>>>etc.
>>>etc.
>>>
>>
>>
>> 0/13. (Or maybe 0/15 ;-)
>
>"Richard Herring" makes a good point!
Potter wouldn't recognise a good point if he sat on one.
[snip boilerplate]
--
Richard Herring
hanson
>
The deranged kike "Ian Parker" <ianpa...@gmail.com>
cranked himself as he lectured again, as seen here in:
< http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=e1842edc4f > & then
wrote in message
news:7aff60d1-a421-44f4...@j22g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>
Talebun <pmpark...@btinternet.com> aka
The deranged kike "Ian Parker" wrote:
By poisonous I refer to anti Semitism and/or identification
with German militarism. On that definition Tom Potter,
Koobee Wublee and Hanson are in the "poisonous" category
>>
hanson is not anti-semitic, you just don't know how to
read him...and he doesn't care.
>
"Ian Parker" wrote:
It is how he seems to me. Whether he cares or not I don't
know. I do feel everyone else should be aware of the anti
Relativity pedigree.
>
hanson wrote:
Since the deranged kike "Ian Parker", a Judeo-Nazi,
wouldn't know the difference between Pedigree,
Relativity and why Anti-Semitism is GOOD, created
by and yearned for by good `Jews... ...
hanson repeats for the benefit of Ian Parker & wrote:
>
Let "talebun" aka Tail-arse Ian Parker, the poor kike, sing!...
ahahaha... AHAHAHAHA...AHAHAHA....See here in
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics.relativity/msg/d8fea1b49fba9cb7?hl=en
wherein he said:
::IP:: Just to see how easy it was to
::IP:: set up another account I have just
::IP:: done so. (signed - Ian Parker
>
Ian Parker, <ianparker2 at gmail.com> aka Talebun,
aka Talibun, aka Tail-Arse, the fat kike is exhibiting
himself here as <pmparker6 at btinternet.com> the
acronym for "post menopausal parker sucks big time" .
>
IP is a fanatical Einstein Dingleberry and a reject,
a totally useless soldier in Sharon's Army of Light.
"Tail-arse-Parker" is seen here giving, on video, his
whole passion-spiel and speech
or in < http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=e1842edc4f > or in
< http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SO_qkUrtAIg > or in
<
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=drunken+settler&search_type=&aq=f >
of which "Tail-arse-Parker" wrote these profound
4-lines:
::IP:: By poisonous I refer to anti Semitism and/or
::IP:: identification with German militarism. On that definition
::IP:: Tom Potter, Koobee Wublee and Hanson are in the
::IP:: "poisonous" category
>>
<mitchs...@gmail.com> wrote
him...and he doesn't care.
>
hanson
>
"Androcles" <Headm...@Hogwarts.physics> wrote in
message news:SM4rk.43956$Ft5....@newsfe29.ams2...
>
hanson wrote
Let "talebun" aka Tail-arse Ian Parker, the poor kike, sing!...
ahahaha... AHAHAHAHA...AHAHAHA....See here in
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics.relativity/msg/d8fea1b49fba9cb7?hl=en
wherein he said:
::IP:: Just to see how easy it was to
::IP:: set up another account I have just
::IP:: done so. (signed - Ian Parker
>
Like I give a shit for political crap... <yawn>
>
... ahahahaha... but before you yawned YOU
delivered a very political 7-liner above... ahaha..
So, did you really just respond, just to keep the
thread alive?... I bet Ian Parker is not yawning.
Thanks for the laughs, dude... ahahahanson
G=EMC^2 Glazier
not because his name begins with an H or has the same amount of letters
He acts and thinks the same. He takes away first amendment rights. He
uses the sheriff department to threaten honest people rights. He in
reality threatens to kill you if you dare go against him. He works only
for Severn Trent,and they are Mafia Reality is Charlie Crist backs him
100%. Reason is Mafia and Republican party are two sides to the same
coin. The Godfather makes sure his money is well spent by electing his
lieutenants.to govern Florida bert
Ian Parker
Relativity is a political/religious question rather than a purely
scientific one. If you put down the evidence for Relativity coldly you
will discover that it is comperable in strength to that for Evolution.
This is what I mean by de Fide.
The diference of course is that people who believe in Intelligent
Design have a belief system which places an emphasis on moral
behaviour - at least on a personal basis. The belief structure of anti
Relativity on the other hand seems to be one of Fascist intolerance.
To me, on a scientific basis, there seems to be little to choose
between Evolution and Relativity. Both are rock solid. Relativity
rests an hard Galapodas rock just as Evolution does. The arguments are
I repeat NOT scientific. There are I think areas, like quantum
entaglement where we have to think carefully about what is really
happening. If we look at measurement and consider that a third quantum
state is involved in measurement, as I have stated in my posting on
Entanglement all paradoxes disappear. However tp repeat yet again the
arument is NOT about paradoxes, at least not primerally.
BTW - These postings are read quite a lot by students. If challenged
it might be better in some circumstances not to launch off into Darwin
on the Galapodas, DNA relationships between species or even evidence
about the age of the Earth. No, just ask who Cain married. He married
and raised a family according to Genesis, but who his wife was (all
women were daughters of Eve) is not clear. We may conculde that the
theory of ID has internal inconsistencies. Relativity and other
similar theories cannot have any as everything transforms with the
Poincaré group and all inconsistencies are therefore mathematical and
cannot arise.
- Ian Parker
Androcles
Wabnigga wants to know how a mirror works... it's research time.
hanson
What I am intending to show, and I think I have done this, is that
Relativity is a political/religious question rather than a purely
scientific one.
>
.... hahahaha... yes, but your intensions are misguided
and came out in a very gauche way, that changes aim
and direction each time, as you can see here:
Ian Parker
Just one point of information. I digagree prfoundly with Einstein on a
number of things. Notably his views on quantum theory and "playing
dice". The mathematical basis of chaos has only been studied very
recently and I think it undermines a lot of what Einstein thought.
This in no way affects Relativity.
- Ian Parker
Tom Potter
"Richard Herring" <junk@[127.0.0.1]> wrote in message news:dSPjBHNF...@baesystems.com...
Although I am flattered to see that
"Richard Herring"continues to be a faithful reader of my posts,
I was disappointed to see that
he was so bent of out shape by my assertion that
"in General Relativity experiments,
General Relativity becomes both the model and the standard,
that the data must fit, and if the data doesn't fit GTR
the GTR Gurus look for Newtonian and Maxwellian
"effects" to hack the data."
that he deleted my post and attacked the messenger.
he commonly does when his religious icon is exposed..
The post that bent "Richard Herring" out of shape is listed below.
"Richard Herring" makes a good point!
When the measured data in an experiment
hanson
Androcles J. Parker (who requested that this be known)]
has switched position again since the last therapy session
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics/msg/8c6c88c567941b8a?hl=en
that was given for his benefit, wrote in message
news:dc44c961-e272-45b2...@25g2000hsx.googlegroups.com...
>
Just one point of information. I digagree prfoundly with
Einstein on a number of things. Notably his views on
quantum theory and "playing dice". The mathematical
basis of chaos has only been studied very recently and
I think it undermines a lot of what Einstein thought.
>
"hanson" <han...@quick.net> wrote:
Well, thank you for your "information", Ian... ahahaha....
You have made great progress, Ian. You are no longer
firing vast avalanches of neurons in every locus of your
brain upon activating a single discharge triggered by
a single thought of yours (or visa versa).
>
And of course it is healthy on your part, in your condition,
that you are critical about what the establishment and
the heuristic paradigm tells you to believe... with all their
might. --- (Always remember even the pope or your chief
rabbi humbly squat when they take a shit... Get it , git?)
>
AFA chaos theory is concerned, it has been a subject
of study for a very long time, and there are as many
disagreement in/about it as there are about relativity.
>
The chief problem with chaos theory is in its fundamentals.
Why should there be a chaos, an indefinable state that
spontaneously self-organizes itself into anything including
"yourself"? ... as can be seen in the discreteness and the
self-similarity, over all scales, in nature -- or did "you"
create chaos in your own mind only because you have
not a sufficient level of pattern recognition capability?
Which one is more fundamental, organization or chaos?
Where does chaos end and organization begin & vis/vers?
Is chaos as short lived as you are? -- What forces and
energies govern and drive the chaos and why? ... etc., etc...
>
One can make any number of mathematical models
about nature and call them theories. -- One can prove
any and all theories by carefully choosing selected
experiments that are a priori geared to supply "proof", a
situation that is notoriously, vividly and constantly shown
for relativity... but which only calls the veracity of relativity
even more into question to be a model that is useful in
and for the real world.
>
The chief difficulty about modeling of nature aka making
theories is that in the real world things are so entangled,
interwoven and interactive, full of positive and negative
feedback loops, that pictures/impressions delivered by
any theory represents at best a fleeting to non-existing
moment or condition in/of the real world .... ahahahaha...
>
This notion is vehemently opposed by News-Groupies for
whom these cyber space discussions have become their
very own reality.. and makes their own views, in their own
minds, out be absolute and solid reality... Power to these
poor bastards... ahahaha... Keep'em there, for that way
the can't do any real damage to the real world out there....
>
The dude who wrote...
= "There's so many different worlds
= So many different suns
= And we have just one world
= But we live in different ones
=
= Now the sun's gone to hell
= And the moon's riding high
= Let me bid you farewell
= Every man has to die
= But it's written in the starlight
= And every line on your palm
= We're fools to make war
= On our brothers in arms... "
>
... in/ for "Dire Straits" in their song of "Brothers in Arms",
was more in tune with the over-all reality of things than
was Einstein and his hordes of Dingleberries for whose
sake one can see in the 4 liner below where Einstein's
crap is still used and where they do laugh about it:
>
= mil/indust. Eng, R&D....................."does not need REL shit"
= *.edu, acad. & grantology............."does use REL,... No shit"
= Promo, Sales & Movies..............."loves REL by the shitload"
= Jews defend it as cultural heritage whether "REL is shit or not".
>
More in here about how and why it affects people's mentations:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.math/msg/de3a4e79dba574c8?hl=en
Thanks for the fun and laughs, Ian.... ahahahaha... ahahahanson
Peter Munn
2008:
>Although I am flattered to see that
>"Richard Herring"continues to be a faithful reader of my posts,
[...]
>The post that bent "Richard Herring" out of shape is listed below.
>
>"Richard Herring" makes a good point!
Unless you are paranoid about fly-by-night impersonators, Tom, may I
save you the effort of typing those quotation marks? Richard Herring is
his name - I studied for my A-levels with him.
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Androcles
> "Ian Parker" <ianpa...@gmail.com>, [ NOT related to
> Androcles J. Parker (who requested that this be known)]
> has switched position again since the last therapy session
> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics/msg/8c6c88c567941b8a?hl=en
> that was given for his benefit, wrote in message
> news:dc44c961-e272-45b2...@25g2000hsx.googlegroups.com...
>>
> Just one point of information. I digagree prfoundly with
> Einstein on a number of things. Notably his views on
> quantum theory and "playing dice". The mathematical
> basis of chaos has only been studied very recently and
> I think it undermines a lot of what Einstein thought.
> This in no way affects Relativity. --- Ian Parker
>>
> "hanson" <han...@quick.net> wrote:
> Well, thank you for your "information", Ian... ahahaha....
> You have made great progress, Ian. You are no longer
> firing vast avalanches of neurons in every locus of your
> brain upon activating a single discharge triggered by
> a single thought of yours (or visa versa).
>>
> And of course it is healthy on your part, in your condition,
> that you are critical about what the establishment and
> the heuristic paradigm tells you to believe... with all their
> might. --- (Always remember even the pope or your chief
> rabbi humbly squat when they take a shit... Get it , git?)
Awww... all this fencing, I need more cannon fodder for
http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/QUESTION.htm
Cut him to the quick, chacha, ask him the QUESTION.
http://www.usingenglish.com/forum/usingenglish-com-content/10428-cut-quick.html
>>
> AFA chaos theory is concerned, it has been a subject
> of study for a very long time, and there are as many
> disagreement in/about it as there are about relativity.
>>
> The chief problem with chaos theory is in its fundamentals.
> Why should there be a chaos, an indefinable state that
> spontaneously self-organizes itself into anything including
> "yourself"? ... as can be seen in the discreteness and the
> self-similarity, over all scales, in nature -- or did "you"
> create chaos in your own mind only because you have
> not a sufficient level of pattern recognition capability?
> Which one is more fundamental, organization or chaos?
> Where does chaos end and organization begin & vis/vers?
> Is chaos as short lived as you are? -- What forces and
> energies govern and drive the chaos and why? ... etc., etc...
Hmm...
Mathematically, chaos theory says there is no general solution to
the three body problem. It is impossible to predict where the
three bodies will be at some time in the future, even given that
we know exactly where they are now and how fast they are
moving relative to each other, and the further away the future
is the greater the error in the prediction will be.
In other words you can say where the Moon will be this time
tomorrow within plus or minus a second of arc, but we'llonly
get within a degree a thousand years from now no matter
how accurate the calculations are. Nor can we say where
the Moon was a four or five million years in the past to any
degree of accuracy, although it is a fair bet it was in orbit
around the Earth.
But how do we prove the bet?
Your calculation on your calculator may be different to
my calculation on my calculator and there is no way to
prove either one. My pi is 22/7, your pi is
3.1415926535897932384626433832795 so your pi is better
than my pi, but your pi is still not perfect, pi has been calculated
to many more decimal places than that.
Perhaps an example will help.
What is 42581509225984
divided by 13554115355257 ?
Answer:
3.1415926535897931118078065944176
subtract pi
-1.2665483678886193650771308159355e-16
Check it for yourself using Windows calculator.
>>
> One can make any number of mathematical models
> about nature and call them theories. -- One can prove
> any and all theories by carefully choosing selected
> experiments that are a priori geared to supply "proof", a
> situation that is notoriously, vividly and constantly shown
> for relativity... but which only calls the veracity of relativity
> even more into question to be a model that is useful in
> and for the real world.
Exactly.
Alle Menschen Werden Brüder
(Schiller's Ode to JOY, set to music by Beethoven)
Ian Parker
out to me special cases where 3 bodies form a quadrature. There are in
fact quadratures I believe in Saturn's moons as well as Mercury, Venus
and the Sun.
We get chaotic behaviour because a small departure from equilibrium
inceases with time. Orthodox stability theory tells us that every
eigenvalue <=1.
This is of engineering importance. I understand one of the main
problems with Ares is precisely this - stability. I think we have been
here before. I changed one title on Relativity to "Cancel Ares now. No
one understands stability theory.
- Ian Parker
Tom Potter
"Peter Munn" <pmun...@pearce-neptune.demon.co.uk> wrote in message news:N5vQRDAN...@pearce-neptune.demon.co.uk...
I am surprised to see that Peter Munn is paranoiac
about my style of putting quotes around certain names and phrases.
I do this for several reasons:
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1. To give someone credit for some point.
2. To call attention to some point.
3. Because it is easier to copy and paste.
I might point out to Peter that I know very well
who and WHAT "Richard Herring" is,
as he gets all bent out of shape and attacks the messenger,
rather than address the message in a rational, intelligent way,
when I point out that the same gang that instigated,
and profited from, the Class Wars of the 1900's,
instituted a phoney "Free Jews' scam,
and migrated to Israel and America
after the native Russians regained control of their government,
and they are using Israel and America as bases from where
to instigate the Religious Wars of the 2000's,
to get back in the chips
as the loot from their Class Wars is almost gone.
I hope that no others are paranoic about my style of posting
as I don't intend to change my style.
My suggestion to is to relax and live with it,
and you'll be happier and live longer.
The bottom line is posting style is not a big deal,
but the instigation of conflict and war is.