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ahmad

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Jul 12, 2007, 8:39:50 PM7/12/07
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just click on this link.
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Uncle Al

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Jul 13, 2007, 1:24:05 PM7/13/07
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Jeff☠Relf

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Jul 14, 2007, 3:10:35 PM7/14/07
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In your " Comparison of religions ", Uncle Al,
Mormonism should be " Shit happened to God's great great grandfather. "
not " You must look closely at the turd. ".

Few religions are as family-centric as Mormonism.

Jeff☠Relf

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Jul 14, 2007, 3:16:38 PM7/14/07
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By the way, your ( Uncle Al's ) Atheism entry should be:
" Shit just is, the cosmos is immobile. "... Not " Sheeit ! ".

Eric Gisse

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Jul 14, 2007, 5:59:32 PM7/14/07
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On Jul 14, 11:16 am, Jeff Relf <Jeff_R...@Yahoo.COM> wrote:
> By the way, your ( Uncle Al's ) Atheism entry should be:
> " Shit just is, the cosmos is immobile. "... Not " Sheeit ! ".

SHUT THE HELL UP.

I wish whatever was keeping you quiet for the last month or so would
come back.

guskz

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Jul 14, 2007, 6:04:51 PM7/14/07
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*******************************************************************************
At the following post:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics.relativity/msg/976d911ff685872a

Eric Gisse <jowr...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Magnetic force has nothing to do with EMF, fuckwad.
*******************************************************************************

EMF ******MEANS****** Electro MAGNETIC FORCE

You truly are a novice Eric, no wonder you only insult and complain.

Jeff☠Relf

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Jul 14, 2007, 6:24:42 PM7/14/07
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Speaking of Gisse's comment at
" news:1184342268.2...@m37g2000prh.googlegroups.com "
where he said: " Magnetic force has nothing to do with EMF, fuckwad. ".

The good news here, Guskz, is that Gisse rarely expounds on physics.
Instead of " ranking players " as he should,
he tries to make us his bitches... He's hella funny !

The_Man

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Jul 14, 2007, 6:27:30 PM7/14/07
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Islam is a religion of "Peace" - if you disagree with it, there'll be
a "piece" of you here, and a "piece" of you over there.

If you don't agree that Islam is a religion of peace, they'll kill you
- very peacefully, I'm sure.

Jeff☠Relf

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Jul 14, 2007, 7:21:12 PM7/14/07
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Yeah, I missed you too Gisse,
I was off making a lot of changes to X.EXE, Dif.EXE etc. .
I added a virtual keyboard to input Unicode, for one thing.

The Nyms, newsreaders and NNTP_Servers used at
MicroSoft.Public.VC.IDE_General, the low traffic there
and the high quality content prompted a lot of changes to my code.

I'm actually working for money today... shock...
but you can expect more from me in the days to come.
Here's some of the " Banker Stuff " I'm working on these days:

Net Income / Avgerage Equity
Net Income / Avgerage Assets
Avgerage Equity / Avgerage Assets

Operating Earnings / Avgerage Assets
Realized Gain( Loss ) on Asset Sales / Avgerage Assets
Net Interest Income / Avgerage Assets

Non-Interest ( Income - Expense ) / Avgerage Assets
Loan Loss Provision / Avgerage Assets
Loan Charge-offs / Avgerage Loans

Interest Income / Avgerage Assets
Interest Expense / Avgerage Assets
Interest Income / Avgerage Earning Assets

Avgerage Earning Assets / Avgerage Assets
Loan Interest / Avgerage Loans
Avgerage Loans / Avgerage Earning Assets

( Interest Income - Loan Interest Inc. ) / Avgerage Investments
( Note: Avgerage Investments = Securities + Federal Funds Sold )

Avgerage Investments / Avgerage Earning Assets
Business Loan Interest / Avgerage Business Loans

Real Estate Loan Interest / Avgerage Real Estate Loans
Consumer Loan Interest / Avgerage Consumer Loans
Avgerage Business Loans / Avgerage Total Loans

Avgerage Real Estate Loans / Avgerage Total Loans
Avgerage Consumer Loans / Avgerage Total Loans
Total Interest Expense / Avgerage Interest Bearing Liabilities

Avgerage Interest Bearing Liabilities / Avgerage Assets
Interest Expense / Avgerage Interest Bearing Core Deposits

Avgerage Interest Bearing Core Deposits
/ Avgerage Interest Bearing Liabilities

Interest Expense
/ Avgerage ( Interest Bearing Liabilities
- Interest Bearing Core Deposits )

Non-interest Income / Avgerage Assets
Non-interest Expense / Avgerage Assets
Non-interest Expense / NIIF
( Note: NIIF is Net Interest plus Deposit Service Charges,
Loan Fees, Commercial L.C. Fees, Standby L.C. Fees, etc. )

Asset Growth Rate

Pmb

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Jul 14, 2007, 9:52:11 PM7/14/07
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That reminds me. I've been putting this off for quite sometime but I think
that its time I get my ass back into writing some code soon. I think I'll
start from the beginning of my C++ text and when that is over pick up
and learn Java. After that I assume that I'l have a frame work with which I
can input and outut data easily in a visual format and then I can start work
on numerical methods, which I haven't really done since I worked for the Air
Force.

So stand by to have your ear chewed off when I'm studying C++ Jeff. :)

Pete

ps - e-mail me so that I know how to get in touch with you again. And please
just e-mail me a simple e-mail address and not this all purpose thing you
did last time so I wouldn't forget how to e-mail you. The problem was that I
forgot all that I as I told you I would.


Randy Poe

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Jul 14, 2007, 10:35:44 PM7/14/07
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On Jul 14, 6:04 pm, guskz <gu...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Jul 14, 5:59 pm, Eric Gisse <jowr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Jul 14, 11:16 am, Jeff Relf <Jeff_R...@Yahoo.COM> wrote:
>
> > > By the way, your ( Uncle Al's ) Atheism entry should be:
> > > " Shit just is, the cosmos is immobile. "... Not " Sheeit ! ".
>
> > SHUT THE HELL UP.
>
> > I wish whatever was keeping you quiet for the last month or so would
> > come back.
>
> *******************************************************************************
> At the following post:http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics.relativity/msg/976d911ff68...

>
> Eric Gisse <jowr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Magnetic force has nothing to do with EMF, fuckwad.
>
> *******************************************************************************
>
> EMF ******MEANS****** Electro MAGNETIC FORCE

It means electroMOTIVE force and has nothing to do with
magnetic force.

> You truly are a novice Eric, no wonder you only insult and complain.

The cranks are always irony proof. Sigh...

- Randy

Jeff☠Relf

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Jul 15, 2007, 7:26:44 AM7/15/07
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I sent an email to your Comcast.NET and Hotmail.COM addresses, Pete,
you can pull my email address from that.

To get started, look up " Hello World " examples.

Jeff☠Relf

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Jul 15, 2007, 7:33:42 AM7/15/07
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Re: The meaning of the abbreviation " e.m.f. ",

From " http://Dictionary.COM/search?q=e.m.f. ":
" abbreviation 1. electromagnetic field 2. electromotive force ".

Do electroMagnetic fields impart force ?

Jeff☠Relf

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Jul 15, 2007, 7:41:49 AM7/15/07
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Jeff☠Relf, Individual.NET
3 Minutes, X_Ba, Jul 15, 2007, 4.33 A, BSKCWK

Re: The electromagnetic field, abbreviated as " e.m.f. ",

From " http://Dictionary.COM/search?q=electromagnetic+field ":
" The field of force associated with electric charge in motion,
having both electric and magnetic components
and containing a definite amount of electromagnetic energy. ".

Eric Gisse

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Jul 15, 2007, 8:08:41 AM7/15/07
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How about opening an actual physics textbook instead of mindlessly
aping Wikipedia?

Randy Poe

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Jul 15, 2007, 8:54:06 AM7/15/07
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http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/electric/elevol.html#c2
http://www.equationsheet.com/eqninfo/Equation-214.html
http://encyclopedia.farlex.com/Electromotive+force+(emf)
http://www.daviddarling.info/encyclopedia/E/AE_electromotive_force.html
http://www.ausetute.com.au/calcelemf.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromotive_force

When the term EMF is used in physics contexts, as in "the EMF
induced in a circuit", it means electromotive force.

That does not bar people from using it to mean "electromagnetic
field". But in physics it has one particular meaning.

- Randy

Pmb

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Jul 15, 2007, 11:29:26 AM7/15/07
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"Jeff?Relf" <Jeff...@Yahoo.COM> wrote in message
news:Jeff_Relf_2007_...@Cotse.NET...

>I sent an email to your Comcast.NET and Hotmail.COM addresses, Pete,
> you can pull my email address from that.
>
> To get started, look up " Hello World " examples.
>

I didn't get anything. Send an e-mail to pmb61 (at) hotmail (dot) com

Pete


Pmb

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Jul 15, 2007, 11:30:15 AM7/15/07
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Hi Jeff

Do you ever read your yahoo e-mail?

Pete

"Jeff?Relf" <Jeff...@Yahoo.COM> wrote in message
news:Jeff_Relf_2007_...@Cotse.NET...

Jeff☠Relf

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Jul 15, 2007, 11:51:57 AM7/15/07
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No Pete, I don't read my Yahoo.COM email, it's just a spam trap.
Any email address on Usenet draws far, far, far too much spam.
Did you get my emails ?

You can email me at:
" Peter102560 @ JeffRelf . Cotse . NET ", no spaces, of course.
The " Peter102560 " is an alias I've assigned to you.

Jeff☠Relf

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Jul 15, 2007, 12:05:27 PM7/15/07
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If you put " pmb61 @ JeffRelf . Cotse . NET "
in you " Contacts " list at HotMail.COM and then let me know,
I'll resend my email to your hotmail account.

Jeff☠Relf

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Jul 15, 2007, 12:55:10 PM7/15/07
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My last quote was from:
" The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition.
Houghton Mifflin Company, 2004. ".

My " e.m.f. " ( electroMagnetic field ) quote was from:
" Merriam-Webster's Medical Dictionary, © 2002 Merriam-Webster, Inc. ".

What do you call the force that moves
a compass needle near high voltage power lines ?

Q. How does a power company produce an e.m.f. ( electroMotive force ) ?
A. electroMagnetic induction.

guskz

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Jul 15, 2007, 3:14:47 PM7/15/07
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Eric Gisse is a NOVICE in Electrodynamics, notably EMF

At the following post:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics.relativity/msg/976d911ff68...
Eric Gisse <jowr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Magnetic force has nothing to do with EMF, fuckwad.

And at the following post:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics.relativity/msg/5baf554e93b...
Tom Roberts <tjroberts...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>This is the electric potential, and it does ot generate a magnetic force by itself.

guskz

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Jul 15, 2007, 3:18:51 PM7/15/07
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On Jul 15, 8:08 am, Eric Gisse <jowr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jul 15, 3:41 am, Jeff Relf <Jeff_R...@Yahoo.COM> wrote:
>
> > Jeff Relf, Individual.NET
> > 3 Minutes, X_Ba, Jul 15, 2007, 4.33 A, BSKCWK
>
> > Re: The electromagnetic field, abbreviated as " e.m.f. ",
>

Correct Jeff you are extremely intelligent. I could say the least
about Eric.

I graduated the 1st in my class on this subject. Disregard them.

guskz

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Jul 15, 2007, 3:24:24 PM7/15/07
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On Jul 15, 8:54 am, Randy Poe <poespam-t...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Jul 15, 7:41 am, Jeff Relf <Jeff_R...@Yahoo.COM> wrote:
>
> > Jeff Relf, Individual.NET
> > 3 Minutes, X_Ba, Jul 15, 2007, 4.33 A, BSKCWK
>
> > Re: The electromagnetic field, abbreviated as " e.m.f. ",
>
> > From "http://Dictionary.COM/search?q=electromagnetic+field":
> > " The field of force associated with electric charge in motion,
> > having both electric and magnetic components
> > and containing a definite amount of electromagnetic energy. ".
>
> http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/electric/elevol.html#c2http://www.equationsheet.com/eqninfo/Equation-214.htmlhttp://encyclopedia.farlex.com/Electromotive+force+(emf)http://www.daviddarling.info/encyclopedia/E/AE_electromotive_force.htmlhttp://www.ausetute.com.au/calcelemf.htmlhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromotive_force

>
> When the term EMF is used in physics contexts, as in "the EMF
> induced in a circuit", it means electromotive force.
>
> That does not bar people from using it to mean "electromagnetic
> field". But in physics it has one particular meaning.
>
> - Randy

I must object with Randy for Eric Gisse knows better and I quote his
own words:

Jeff☠Relf

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Jul 15, 2007, 4:05:26 PM7/15/07
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Apparently, Gisse thinks:
" Although the ElectroMotive Force that turns a compass needle
is usually produced by electroMagnetic induction
it has nothing to do with " magnetic force ". ".

The_Man

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Jul 15, 2007, 4:08:51 PM7/15/07
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On Jul 15, 8:08 am, Eric Gisse <jowr...@gmail.com> wrote:

We have students that will do that, too - define a science term from
Wikipedia or Dictionary.com or the Merriam Webster Dictionary. God, it
makes me cringe.

Jeff☠Relf

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Jul 15, 2007, 4:16:57 PM7/15/07
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Gisse and you ( Mr. Man ) are defending Gisse's apparent assertion that
electroMagneticly induced ElectroMotive Force won't turn a compass needle
because in Gisse's words, " it has nothing to do with magnetic force " ?

Well done chaps, I can't wait for your next act.

Eric Gisse

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Jul 15, 2007, 7:27:09 PM7/15/07
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Hey dipshit - EMF = -d\phi/dt, \phi = int(B.da).

Point to me where the magnetic force is located in changing magnetic
flux.

Eric Gisse

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Jul 15, 2007, 7:32:07 PM7/15/07
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Dumbass computer programmer. Stay out of this newsgroup because you
don't know jack about physics.

Randy Poe

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Jul 15, 2007, 9:01:34 PM7/15/07
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http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/electric/elevol.html#c2

Where are you getting the "electromotive force that turns a
compass needle"? The electromotive force is the name for
the voltage that drives current around a loop, in an effect
called "induction". It's the induced ELECTRIC field in
the loop.

- Randy

Jeff☠Relf

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Jul 16, 2007, 12:39:50 PM7/16/07
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The ElectroMotive Force of a fresh 1.5 volt battery is 1.5 volts,
but your local power plant employs electroMagnetic induction
to supply high tension power lines which --> move the compass needle.

You and Gisse think this has nothing to do with magnetic fields !
Do you also think eating is unrelated to living ?

Randy Poe

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Jul 16, 2007, 1:55:41 PM7/16/07
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On Jul 16, 12:39 pm, Jeff Relf <Jeff_R...@Yahoo.COM> wrote:
> The ElectroMotive Force of a fresh 1.5 volt battery is 1.5 volts,
> but your local power plant employs electroMagnetic induction
> to supply high tension power lines which --> move the compass needle.

Move what compass needle? What are you talking about?

> You and Gisse think this has nothing to do with magnetic fields !

Well, you can distort the statement if you like so that
you can find something that you can disagree with.

However, the original statement was that the term
EMF as it is commonly used in physics does not refer
to the magnetic FORCE, and has nothing to do with the
magnetic FORCE. The magnetic FORCE is the FORCE
produced by a magnetic field on currents or permanent
magnets. It is not the source of electromagnetic induction.

- Randy

Jeff☠Relf

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Jul 16, 2007, 1:56:26 PM7/16/07
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Can a battery produce a magnetic force ? How about a power plant ?
What makes you think magnetic force is unrelated to voltage ?

Jeff☠Relf

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Jul 16, 2007, 2:04:57 PM7/16/07
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So, according to you ( Randy ) and your buddy Gisse,
voltage is completely unrelated to magnetic force.
Next you'll be telling us food has nothing to do with living.

Randy Poe

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Jul 16, 2007, 2:13:52 PM7/16/07
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On Jul 16, 1:56 pm, Jeff Relf <Jeff_R...@Yahoo.COM> wrote:
> Can a battery produce a magnetic force ? How about a power plant ?

The question was about EMF. Neither of those two questions
is related to EMF.

> What makes you think magnetic force is unrelated to voltage ?

The question was specifically what EMF means. That
is not a question about EMF.

Just to wrench the conversation more less back to what you
think you're talking about with this irrelevant noise:

EMF is the voltage that is induced in a current loop
in response to a change in the magnetic flux within
that loop. It is related to dB/dt, the rate of change
of the magnetic field. You could have the same EMF
result from a rapid change in a small field, or a
slower change in a large field.

Now how specifically do you think that's related to
the magnetic force of something on something? What
specifically? Care to write down an equation relating
this magnetic force to the EMF in the loop?

- Randy

P.S. My psychic powers tell the response to this will
not include a single sentence related to what I actually
asked.

Randy Poe

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Jul 16, 2007, 2:14:28 PM7/16/07
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This has my name in it, but does not actually resemble
something I said. Are you dreaming? Wake up, Jeff!

- Randy

Jeff☠Relf

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Jul 16, 2007, 2:54:36 PM7/16/07
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I asked Gisse:

" What makes you think magnetic force is unrelated to voltage ? "

And you, with your nose buried deep in Gisse's ass, replied:


" The question was specifically what EMF means.

That is not a question about EMF. ".

From " http://Dictionary.COM/browse/magnetism "
" WordNet® 3.0, © 2006 by Princeton University ":
" magnetism noun
" 1. attraction for iron; associated with --> electric currents <--
as well as magnets; characterized by fields of force. ".

From " http://Dictionary.COM/browse/voltage "
" WordNet® 3.0, © 2006 by Princeton University ":
" voltage noun
" 1. the rate at which energy is drawn from
a source that produces --> a flow of electricity <--
in a circuit; expressed in volts. ".

Like you and Gisse, magnetism and voltage are related.

Gisse and, now, you got confused because:
electroMagnetic induction ( abbreviated e.m.f. )
produces ElectroMotive Force ( also abbreviated e.m.f. ).

I might shit-can your next response, you're boring me.

Randy Poe

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Jul 16, 2007, 3:55:06 PM7/16/07
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I said:
P.S. My psychic powers tell the response to this will
not include a single sentence related to what I actually
asked.

And I was right! Amazing!

guskz

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Jul 16, 2007, 5:55:26 PM7/16/07
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Well I've done zillions of tests and exams, graduated 1st in my class
and the teacher always used voltage EXTREMELY RARE did he used EMF.

I told Eric Gisse and Randy a zillion times (you would think they
remembered): give me examples using Newtonian Mechanics instead of
Quantum or ELECRO****MOTIVE**** mechanics......****BEFORE**** the EMF
incident.
****************************************

Plain and simple Electro...motive means electro...motion and due to
the electro....magnetic field: the are two electroMOTION forces
(electric force and magnetic force).

Number 1. Is the ELECTRIC FORCE found in batteries, power recepticles
and they ALWAYS CALL it VOLTAGE , VARY RARELY they use EMF.

Number 2. The real time they use EMF if Randy or Eric had the
experience I had is with MAGNETIC FORCE and coils (not Electric
Force).

In fact they lazily call it sometimes ElectricMotor Force...clarifying
that it excludes CURRENT INDUCTION (TRANSFORMERS) and instead
EXPLICITLY MEANS an opposite type of coil configuration that brings
about the Electric Motor principale.....And if an Alternator doesn't
generate an EMF that recharges a car battery then Eric and Randy
should go back to school.

I personally would like to see Eric trying to generate any kind of
MOTOR FORCE by applying his EMF to batteries or likewise voltage
source. It is not the Electric Force that generates the Motor
principale, it is THE MAGNETIC FORCE, EMF through coils both in
Alternators and Electric Motors.


guskz

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Jul 16, 2007, 6:02:26 PM7/16/07
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On Jul 16, 1:55 pm, Randy Poe <poespam-t...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Jul 16, 12:39 pm, Jeff Relf <Jeff_R...@Yahoo.COM> wrote:
>
> > The ElectroMotive Force of a fresh 1.5 volt battery is 1.5 volts,
> > but your local power plant employs electroMagnetic induction
> > to supply high tension power lines which --> move the compass needle.
>
> Move what compass needle? What are you talking about?
>
> > You and Gisse think this has nothing to do with magnetic fields !
>
> Well, you can distort the statement if you like so that
> you can find something that you can disagree with.
>
> However, the original statement was that the term
> EMF as it is commonly used in physics does not refer
> to the magnetic FORCE, and has nothing to do with the
> magnetic FORCE.

Correct I agree with Randy, COILS have nothing to do with MAGNETIC
FORCE.

99.9999999999% of the time in my ZILLIONS of exams they use the
terminology of EMF instead of voltage for coils ONLY ONLY ONLY and
they use voltage for electric circuits, more precisely they use
voltage when they refer to the electric force (batteries and power
supply lines...extremely rare they use the terminology EMF.

I'll give em a Million dollars if they can find me an EMF = IR instead
of V=IR. I'll give em another million if they see a V more then EMF
when they speak of current conducting ******COILS******.

COILS are used to exploit the Magnetic Force not the Electric Force.

Jeff☠Relf

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Jul 16, 2007, 6:11:27 PM7/16/07
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I asked Gisse:
" What makes you think magnetic force is unrelated to voltage ? "

Then you ( Poe ) defended Gisse's retardation by saying:


" The question was specifically what EMF means.
That is not a question about EMF. ".

My question was not about e.m.f. ?
From " http://Dictionary.COM/browse/voltage "
" Dictionary.COM Unabridged ( v 1.1 ) Based on
the Random House Unabridged Dictionary, © Random House, Inc. 2006. ":
" voltage noun --> Electromotive force <-- or potential difference,
usually expressed in volts. ".

You told me:
" I said: " My psychic powers tell the response to this will


not include a single sentence related to what I actually asked. "

And I was right ! Amazing ! ".

Yeah sure, if you're a 'tard, what I wrote wasn't related to e.m.f. .

Magnetism and voltage are related.
electroMagnetic fields ( abbreviated e.m.f. ) induce


ElectroMotive Force ( also abbreviated e.m.f. ).

From " http://Dictionary.COM/browse/voltage "
" voltage noun The rate at which energy is drawn from


a source that produces --> a flow of electricity <-- in a circuit;

expressed in volts. ". ^ ^^^^ ^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^

From " http://Dictionary.COM/browse/magnetism "
" magnetism noun Attraction for iron; associated with


--> electric currents <-- as well as magnets;

^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^ characterized by fields of force. ".

I don't know what planet you and Gisse are from,
but I don't want to visit.

Eric Gisse

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Jul 16, 2007, 6:43:17 PM7/16/07
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On Jul 16, 10:04 am, Jeff Relf <Jeff_R...@Yahoo.COM> wrote:
> So, according to you ( Randy ) and your buddy Gisse,
> voltage is completely unrelated to magnetic force.

Show us the mathematics of how they are related.

Randy Poe

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Jul 16, 2007, 7:34:12 PM7/16/07
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On Jul 16, 6:11 pm, Jeff Relf <Jeff_R...@Yahoo.COM> wrote:
> I asked Gisse:
> " What makes you think magnetic force is unrelated to voltage ? "
>
> Then you ( Poe ) defended Gisse's retardation by saying:
> " The question was specifically what EMF means.
> That is not a question about EMF. ".
>
> My question was not about e.m.f. ?

No, it wasn't. You asked about voltage in general.

> From "http://Dictionary.COM/browse/voltage"
> " Dictionary.COM Unabridged ( v 1.1 ) Based on
> the Random House Unabridged Dictionary, © Random House, Inc. 2006. ":
> " voltage noun --> Electromotive force <-- or potential difference,
> usually expressed in volts. ".

Dictionaries are notoriously bad sources of technical information.
Have you heard that before?

The term EMF in my experience is entirely confined to a specific
kind of voltage, one generated by induction.

> You told me:
> " I said: " My psychic powers tell the response to this will
> not include a single sentence related to what I actually asked. "
> And I was right ! Amazing ! ".
>
> Yeah sure, if you're a 'tard, what I wrote wasn't related to e.m.f. .

Jeff demonstrates his usual level of maturity.

> Magnetism and voltage are related.
> electroMagnetic fields ( abbreviated e.m.f. ) induce
> ElectroMotive Force ( also abbreviated e.m.f. ).

Changing the subject again?

Your specific claim is that magnetic force is related to
EMF. By all means write down the equation relating
those two things. Note that the equation should include
(a) magnetic force and (b) EMF induced in a current loop.

> From "http://Dictionary.COM/browse/voltage"
> " voltage noun The rate at which energy is drawn from
> a source that produces --> a flow of electricity <-- in a circuit;
> expressed in volts. ". ^ ^^^^ ^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^

Wow, an even worse definition than the above.

No, voltage is not a rate of energy. That is power, and it
is expressed in watts.

- Randy

Randy Poe

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Jul 16, 2007, 7:43:28 PM7/16/07
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On Jul 16, 6:11 pm, Jeff Relf <Jeff_R...@Yahoo.COM> wrote:
> From "http://Dictionary.COM/browse/voltage"
> " voltage noun The rate at which energy is drawn from
> a source that produces --> a flow of electricity <-- in a circuit;
> expressed in volts. ". ^ ^^^^ ^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^

A little sanity check that might make even you realize the
problem with this "definition".

Imagine three identical 9-volt batteries.

Number 1 is sitting on a shelf, in its original packaging, unused.

Number 2 is in a smoke alarm. Fire departments recommend
such batteries be changed every 6 months.

Number 3 is operating a toy robot and goes dead in about
an hour of continuous use.

Question 1: Is the voltage of these three 9-volt batteries
the same?

Question 2: Is the rate at which energy is drawn from these
9-volt batteries the same?

- Randy

Eric Gisse

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Jul 16, 2007, 9:11:26 PM7/16/07
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On Jul 16, 2:11 pm, Jeff Relf <Jeff_R...@Yahoo.COM> wrote:
> I askedGisse:

> " What makes you think magnetic force is unrelated to voltage ? "

Oh, I don't know.

How about a year long course in classical electromagnetic theory?

[snip idiocy]

Eric Gisse

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On Jul 15, 4:54 am, Randy Poe <poespam-t...@yahoo.com> wrote:
[...]

> That does not bar people from using it to mean "electromagnetic
> field". But in physics it has one particular meaning.

I am greatly amused when people try to argue physics from places like
wikipedia.org or dictionary.com.

But it irritates me when idiots like Relf or guskz try to cheapen my
education by pretending their weak-ass references like wikipedia or
"elements of physics" supercede what I'm saying.

>
> - Randy


guskz

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Jul 17, 2007, 3:46:19 AM7/17/07
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After I gave the evidence, the imbecile still writes below the
following just recently(he simply doesn't or can't read what is
written)???

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics/msg/2499216844b3d1be


On Jul 16, 2:11 pm, Jeff Relf <Jeff_R...@Yahoo.COM> wrote:
> I askedGisse:
> " What makes you think magnetic force is unrelated to voltage ? "

THEN ERIC GISSE REPLIES BELOW TO HIM:

Oh, I don't know.

How about a year long course in classical electromagnetic theory?

**************************************************************
Wow wee>? and a full year at that!!!!

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/electric/elevol.html#c2

QUOTE:
"Electromotive Force (EMF)
When a voltage is generated by a battery, or by the magnetic force
according to Faraday's Law, this generated voltage has been
traditionally called an "electromotive force" or emf."

Tom Potter

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"The_Man" <me_so_h...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1184452050.8...@w3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
> On Jul 12, 8:39 pm, ahmad <6132AH...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 1) If you are looking for the truth to soothe and please your self,
>> just click on this link.
>> 2) If you are looking for the secrt of the family happiness, just
>> click on this link
>> 3) If you are looking for solving any social problem you face, just
>> click on this link.
>>
>> http://www.islam-guide.com/
>
> Islam is a religion of "Peace" - if you disagree with it, there'll be
> a "piece" of you here, and a "piece" of you over there.
>
> If you don't agree that Islam is a religion of peace, they'll kill you
> - very peacefully, I'm sure.

"The_Man" <me_so_h...@yahoo.com>
makes a good point when he points out
that Jews have a long history of instigating
conflict and war for power and riches.

As can be seen,
the same gang that instigated, and profited from,
the Class Wars of the 1900's,

migrated to Israel and America
after their Class Wars were discredited,
and the Native Russians regained control of their government,

and they are using these places as bases from where
to instigate, and profit from,
the Religious Wars of the 2000's.

Differences exist between individuals, and groups,
and this diversity is what makes life interesting.

The War-for-profit gang doesn't care what the differences are,
Class, Race, Religion, Nationality, region, sex, occupation, etc.,
if they can profit from it, they will instigate conflict and war,
and profit from the destruction and misery they created.

Look at the FACTS.

1. Jews have come into conflict with all of their neighbors throughout
history.
(Mesopotamia, Palestine, Egypt, Persia, Spain, England, France,
Spain again Germany, recently Russia and Palestine again,
and in the process, America.)

2. Jews were central to the overthrow of the Russian government,
the slaughter of the Russian Royal Family,
and the instigation of the Class Wars of the 1900's.

3. Jews are central to the instigation of the Religious Wars of the
2000's, and are trying to con
American Blacks, Latinos and Rednecks
into sacrificing their lives, limbs, liberties, and fortunes,
to wage war on folks that played a nominal role in their lives,
and in the history of America.

4. Jews have played an active role in instigating, and profiting from,
many of the world's conflicts and wars.
(Including America's own Civil War, Spanish-American War,
and the Urban Rebellion of the 1960's that ruined America's cities.)

5. When the Jews tried to export their Class Wars all over the world,
a few nations, including Germany, Japan, Italy, Spain, Turkey, etc..
tried to stop them, and Jews all over the world
began to :Jimmy Carter" (And assassinate) the leaders and nations,
who were trying to prevent their Class War instigations.
Note that the Nazi had to form a private police force
to protect themselves from Jews and their paid goons.

When the War-for-profit gang was unable to
exert their control over Spain by deadly force,
they turned their propaganda machine against Germany
who had helped Spain maintain its' independence.

6. As the Jews had Russia under control,
they bought and intimidated American and British leaders
to support their wicked agenda (Conquest of the world.).

If FDR had opposed the War-for-profit gang,
rather than sell out to them,
WWII would have lasted six months,
and there would have been no Cold War, no nuclear weapons,
no Korean War, no Vietnam War, no 911, no Religious Wars, etc.

Fortunately for America and the world FDR died,
and as the Jews had not had time to Swiftboat the new leaders,
(Truman, Nixon, Hoover, McCarthy, etc.),
and Americans were sick of conflict and war,
the new leaders managed to prevent the takeover of America
by the War-for-profit gang.

7. The War-for-profit gang has used a simple plan for over 3000 years.
a. They migrate to the most powerful nation.
b. They buy, con, or intimidate that nation's leaders
to promote their self-serving agenda.
c. After they rape and destroy the vitality of their host nation,
the native citizens demand new leaders, and the rejection of the gang.
d. The War-for-profit gang migrates to the new most powerful
nation, and the cycle starts all over again.

It is interesting to note that after their Class Wars were discredited,

and the Native Russians regained control of their government,
the War-for-profit gang instituted a phony "Free Jews" program in
Russia so they could migrate to America at the taxpayer's expense.

Note that the thousands of people who left Russia
were actually the elite of Russia,
and the leaders in the Class Wars,
and NOT oppressed Jews.

--
Tom Potter

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guskz

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Correct and what you said word for word is that:

"EMF has nothing to do with Magnetic Force"

And while we're at it therefore likewise Gravity has nothing to do
with Mass.

Got no idea why Randy's protecting you. If those were my words Randy
would cut me down like a tree. His reasoning is blinded by emotions.

I think I'll go fly in my car now.

>
>
>
> > - Randy- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -


Jeff☠Relf

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Jul 17, 2007, 10:20:08 PM7/17/07
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Pete, I sent email to:
"Peter M. Brown" <peter.m XXXX .br...@comcast.net>
"Peter M. Brown" <Peter102 XXXXX 5...@Comcast.NET>
PMB XXXX 6...@Hotmail.COM

Pmb

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"Jeff?Relf" <Jeff...@Yahoo.COM> wrote in message
news:Jeff_Relf_2007_...@Cotse.NET...

Thanks Jeff. I got it. Please use only first one, okay?

Best regards

Pete


Jeff☠Relf

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Jul 17, 2007, 10:41:43 PM7/17/07
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Gisse's a big man, too big to let a little thing like
The Random House Unabridged Dictionary, 2006
" supercede what [ he's ] saying ".

Where Eric Gisse and Randy Poe live ( together, I presume ),
moving an electroMagnetic field over a wire
simply doesn't induce an ElectroMotive Force.

Eric Gisse

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Jul 18, 2007, 8:04:56 PM7/18/07
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On Jul 14, 5:31 pm, "Tom Potter" <tdp1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> "The_Man" <me_so_hornee...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

>
> news:1184452050.8...@w3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>
> > On Jul 12, 8:39 pm, ahmad <6132AH...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> 1) If you are looking for the truth to soothe and please your self,
> >> just click on this link.
> >> 2) If you are looking for the secrt of the family happiness, just
> >> click on this link
> >> 3) If you are looking for solving any social problem you face, just
> >> click on this link.
>
> >>http://www.islam-guide.com/
>
> > Islam is a religion of "Peace" - if you disagree with it, there'll be
> > a "piece" of you here, and a "piece" of you over there.
>
> > If you don't agree that Islam is a religion of peace, they'll kill you
> > - very peacefully, I'm sure.
>
> "The_Man" <me_so_hornee...@yahoo.com>

> makes a good point when he points out
> that Jews [...]

He did no such thing. Try reading for comprehension.

Art Deco

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Jul 18, 2007, 10:12:23 PM7/18/07
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Eric Gisse <jow...@gmail.com> wrote:

Like that will ever happen.

--
Official Overseer of Kooks and Saucerheads for alt.astronomy
Trainer and leash holder of:
Honest "Clockbrain" John
nightbat "fro0tbat" of alt.astronomy
Tom "TommY Crackpotter" Potter
<http://www.caballista.org/auk/kookle.php?search=deco>

"You really are one of the litsiest people I know, Mr. Deco."
--Kali, quoted endlessly by David Tholen as evidence of "something"

John "C"

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"Art Deco" <er...@caballista.org> wrote in message
news:180720072012238553%er...@caballista.org...

> Eric Gisse <jow...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Jul 14, 5:31 pm, "Tom Potter" <tdp1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> "The_Man" <me_so_hornee...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >>
> >> news:1184452050.8...@w3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
> >>
> >> > On Jul 12, 8:39 pm, ahmad <6132AH...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> 1) If you are looking for the truth to soothe and please your self,
> >> >> just click on this link.
> >> >> 2) If you are looking for the secrt of the family happiness, just
> >> >> click on this link
> >> >> 3) If you are looking for solving any social problem you face, just
> >> >> click on this link.
> >>
> >> >>http://www.islam-guide.com/
> >>
> >> > Islam is a religion of "Peace" - if you disagree with it, there'll be
> >> > a "piece" of you here, and a "piece" of you over there.
> >>
> >> > If you don't agree that Islam is a religion of peace, they'll kill
you
> >> > - very peacefully, I'm sure.
> >>
> >> "The_Man" <me_so_hornee...@yahoo.com>
> >> makes a good point when he points out
> >> that Jews [...]
> >
> >He did no such thing. Try reading for comprehension.
>
> Like that will ever happen.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WkNBCvlartg

HJ


Eric Gisse

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Jul 19, 2007, 5:33:44 AM7/19/07
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On Jul 17, 6:41 pm, Jeff Relf <Jeff_R...@Yahoo.COM> wrote:
> Gisse's a big man, too big to let a little thing like
> The Random House Unabridged Dictionary, 2006
> " supercede what [ he's ] saying ".

I tend to defer to actual physics textbooks, like Jackson or
Griffiths.

>
> Where Eric Gisse and Randy Poe live ( together, I presume ),
> moving an electroMagnetic field over a wire
> simply doesn't induce an ElectroMotive Force.

It isn't a force, shit for brains.

Tom Potter

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Jul 18, 2007, 9:36:15 PM7/18/07
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"Art Deco" <er...@caballista.org> wrote in message
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I want to help you Art.

Why do you follow some folks around,
and try to irritate them?

Does stalking and irritating folks make you feel adequate?

If you have issues with the folks you stalk,
spell out SPECIFICALLY what the issues are,
and don't make a generalized statement.
Point out the SPECIFIC issues you are trying
to confront, and we'll address those issues
in a rational, intelligent way.

Why do you crave attention?
Did your mother neglect you when you were a child?

As you obviously crave attention,
why not use your real name
so you, as a real person,
will get the attention you crave,
rather than some anonymous "Art Deco"?

Why do you spam the Internet with posts
that obviously aren't welcomed by the newsgroups you spam?

Art, it is obvious that your are either a sociopath,
or you are crying for help.

Have you ever been hospitalized for mental problems?

I think that your posts are a cry for help,
and I will try to help you, if you
are honest with me.

Don't try to be cute Art,
and post one of your short, boilerplate silly comebacks,
as a means of avoiding confronting the issue.

Be honest Art.
The folks in the newsgroups are your friends.
They want to you help solve your problem.

You pal,

Tom Potter

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Jul 18, 2007, 9:37:39 PM7/18/07
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"Eric Gisse" <jow...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1184803496.5...@e16g2000pri.googlegroups.com...

Well, let's examine what "The_Man" wrote,
and make it more global.

"<Judaism> is a religion of "Peace" - if you disagree with it, there'll be


a "piece" of you here, and a "piece" of you over there.

("Jimmy Cartering", "Mel Gibsoning", "Palestinianing", etc)

If you don't agree that <Judaism> is a religion of peace, they'll kill you


- very peacefully, I'm sure."

Think about what generates more attacks on a person,
criticizing Islam, or criticizing Judaism.

Criticize Judaism, Jews, Israel, Einstein, Relativity, etc.
or put manger in front of city hall on Christmas,
and you draw an aggressive hostile crowd.

Eric Gisse

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Jul 19, 2007, 6:08:59 PM7/19/07
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On Jul 18, 5:37 pm, "Tom Potter" <tdp1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> "Eric Gisse" <jowr...@gmail.com> wrote in message

>
> news:1184803496.5...@e16g2000pri.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > On Jul 14, 5:31 pm, "Tom Potter" <tdp1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> "The_Man" <me_so_hornee...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> >>news:1184452050.8...@w3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>
> >> > On Jul 12, 8:39 pm, ahmad <6132AH...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> 1) If you are looking for the truth to soothe and please your self,
> >> >> just click on this link.
> >> >> 2) If you are looking for the secrt of the family happiness, just
> >> >> click on this link
> >> >> 3) If you are looking for solving any social problem you face, just
> >> >> click on this link.
>
> >> >>http://www.islam-guide.com/
>
> >> > Islam is a religion of "Peace" - if you disagree with it, there'll be
> >> > a "piece" of you here, and a "piece" of you over there.
>
> >> > If you don't agree that Islam is a religion of peace, they'll kill you
> >> > - very peacefully, I'm sure.
>
> >> "The_Man" <me_so_hornee...@yahoo.com>
> >> makes a good point when he points out
> >> that Jews [...]
>
> > He did no such thing. Try reading for comprehension.
>
> Well, let's examine what "The_Man" wrote,
> and make it more global.
>
> "<Judaism>

Once again, you need to learn to read for comprehension. You are the
only one talking about the jews.

[...]

Twittering One

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Jul 19, 2007, 7:44:35 PM7/19/07
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The Good News ~
Harry Potter is out.

Art Deco

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Jul 19, 2007, 9:56:10 PM7/19/07
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Tom Potter <tdp...@yahoo.com> wrote:

[TommY spew targets flushed, AUK restored]


>
>Why do you follow some folks around,
>and try to irritate them?
>
>Does stalking and irritating folks make you feel adequate?

Learn what "stalking" means, ko0k.


>
>If you have issues with the folks you stalk,
>spell out SPECIFICALLY what the issues are,
>and don't make a generalized statement.
>Point out the SPECIFIC issues you are trying
>to confront, and we'll address those issues
>in a rational, intelligent way.

You first, TommY.


>
>Why do you crave attention?
>Did your mother neglect you when you were a child?

Why are you an anti-Semitic bigot, TommY?


>
>As you obviously crave attention,
>why not use your real name
>so you, as a real person,
>will get the attention you crave,
>rather than some anonymous "Art Deco"?

Where did you earn your doctorate in psychotherapy, TommY?


>
>Why do you spam the Internet with posts
>that obviously aren't welcomed by the newsgroups you spam?

Do the lurkers support you in email, Crackpotter?


>
>Art, it is obvious that your are either a sociopath,
>or you are crying for help.
>
>Have you ever been hospitalized for mental problems?

Here's a new one -- teh mental problem lame.


>
>I think that your posts are a cry for help,
>and I will try to help you, if you
>are honest with me.

Pathetic.


>
>Don't try to be cute Art,
>and post one of your short, boilerplate silly comebacks,
>as a means of avoiding confronting the issue.

What issue is that, TommY?


>
>Be honest Art.
>The folks in the newsgroups are your friends.
>They want to you help solve your problem.

You're an idiot.
>
>You pal,

--
Official Overseer of Kooks and Saucerheads for alt.astronomy
Trainer and leash holder of:
Honest "Clockbrain" John
nightbat "fro0tbat" of alt.astronomy
Tom "TommY Crackpotter" Potter

The_Man

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Jul 20, 2007, 7:07:47 AM7/20/07
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On Jul 17, 10:41 pm, Jeff Relf <Jeff_R...@Yahoo.COM> wrote:
> Gisse's a big man, too big to let a little thing like
> The Random House Unabridged Dictionary, 2006
> " supercede what [ he's ] saying ".

Why the eagerness to use a dictionary for scientific definitions? Did
you find a really good Random House dictionary while you were dumpster
diving for your next meal? In fact, a dumpster is a "random house" of
all the things that people throw away.

You know, since you never paid off your legal (and moral) obligations,
why don't you take some of that 1 million dollars of back child
support and actually BUY a physics textbook, or sign up for a course.
I'm sure that having a dumpster-diving, nearly homeless programmer in
the class will raise the academic level of the class. Maybe you can
even write a VC+ program to rank the nearby dumpsters.

Tom Potter

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"Eric Gisse" <jow...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1184882939.9...@m37g2000prh.googlegroups.com...

As Gisse, who claims to be a high school graduate,
seems to have a reading comprehension problem,

and was unable to comprehend the gestalt
of "The_Man's" post and my post.

I will explain it to him.

1. "The_Man" aggressively and actively
hypes Israeli and Jewish positions,

and tries to instigate hate for Muslims,

and to con American Black's, Latino's and Redneck's
into sacrificing their lives, limbs, liberties and fortunes
by engaging in the Religious Wars being instigated by people
like "The_Man".

Note, for example, that the American public is bombarded daily
by Jews and Jewish media, trying to get the Religious Wars of the
2000's going.

For example, today, the Israeli ambassador to the United States,
Sallai Meridor, said "the free world is under attack by Iran,
with a combination of fanaticism, terrorism and nuclear capability
posing the most serious threat since the 1930s."

2. I consider the instigation of conflict and war for power and profit
to be the world's most serious problem, and
I occasionally expose blatant attempts (Like "The_Man's")
to instigate hate and conflict,
and the Religious Wars of the 2000's.

Note that Jews have come into conflict with all
of their neighbors through history,
and their propensity of instigating conflict and war
for power and wealth seems to be the root cause of this.

And as can be seen, Jews instigated and profited from


the Class Wars of the 1900's,

and they are desperately trying to get the
Religious Wars of the 2000's going
as the loot from their Class Wars is almost gone.
(German reparations, numerous holocaust scams,
law suits in friendly courts, with friendly or bought judges,
legal and political attacks on weakly defended assets,
and assets with weak audit trails, etc.)

The question is,
does Gisse have a reading comprehension problem,
or has he, like many naive people, young and old,
been duped by the War-for-profit gang?

Tom Potter

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"Art Deco" <er...@caballista.org> wrote in message
news:190720071956105444%er...@caballista.org...

I am pleased to see that Art Deco
has, to some extent, "joined the issue",
rather than making one of his silly one line boilerplate responses.

I was disappointed to see that Art Deco continues to hide
his real name and background from the readers,
so folks can better evaluate what motivates him
to stalk the folks he does.

Considering his victims, and his positions,
one could get the idea that Art Deco is
motivated by race and religion,
rather than by truth and MORALITY.

In other words, Art could hate Jews,
and he be putting a Jewish spin on his
agenda and methods, in order to make Jews
look immoral and dishonest.

Hopefully Art will be honest and forthcoming
about his personal situation, so that folks don't make
the wrong assumptions about what race and religion he is.

(For example note Art's aggressive and persistent efforts to
negate everything Brad Guth posts
with silly, boilerplate, one liners rather than facts,
perhaps because Guth made a post criticizing Israel.).

To deal with Art's actual statements.

1. Art posts:
"You're an idiot."

As can be seen,
Art is prejudiced against folks of lower intelligence,
and he is trying to slander them
by associating them with me.

One has to wonder why Art is prejudiced against
folks of lower intelligence?
Perhaps he was embarrassed by a family member who
was an "idiot"?

2. Art posts:
"Pathetic."

As can be seen, Art is acknowledging
that his post is a cry for help.

3. Art posts:


"Where did you earn your doctorate in psychotherapy, TommY?"

Art, one does not have to have a "doctorate in psychotherapy"
to comprehend that you are very sick and need help.

Considering that as a teacher, salesman, employer, headhunter
and world traveler, I encountered, and helped, all kinds of people,
I am confident that I can help you
overcome your bigotry and sociopathy,
if you are open and honest with me
and the folks in the newsgroups.

3. Art posts:
(In response to my request that he
"point out the SPECIFIC issues <he is> trying to confront.")
"You first, TommY."

The main issue I am "trying to confront"
is sociopathic behavior in society, government,
and on the Internet.

I confront Art Deco and his buddies because
they engage in sociopathic behavior on the Internet.

I confront George Bush and the NeoCons because
they engage in sociopathic behavior in government.

I confront Jews and Israel because
they engage in sociopathic behavior in their dealings
with society as a whole.

4. In response to my inquiry about his mental health
Art Deco avoids giving an honest answer and posts:


"Here's a new one -- teh mental problem lame."

Art, note that you try to deflect the question,
and appeal to immature, not-too-bright people to come to your aid,
by the use of the boilerplate words "lame" and ""teh",
and by your attempt to direct this thread into a newsgroup
populated by these kinds of people.

Mature, rational, intelligent folks
are not impressed with words like "lits", "lame" and ""teh".

As psychologists know, when someone
shuffles their feet, or moves their eyes around,
or comes up with "REALLY "lame" diversions,
they obviously have something to hide.

Let's continue to communicate Art.

I think I can help you Art.

If you are mentally sick,
I can encourage catharsis.

If you are a race/religious bigot,
as appears to be the case,
I can help you see that what makes life
interesting is diversity, not sameness.

Stay in touch Art.
I will be looking forward to seeing you deliver
on your promise to
"point out the SPECIFIC issues you are trying to confront."

As the old saying goes:
"There's no greater fraud than a promise not kept."

Your pal,

KK

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On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 16:44:35 -0700, Twittering One wrote:

> The Good News ~
> Harry Potter is out.

I thought so. Who outed him?

Eric Gisse

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No, he does not. Reading is fundamental, tommy boy.

[...]

The_Man

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A spoiler - Harry Potter's nemesis, Valdemort, turns out to be Tom
Potter. After he killed Harry's parents, he ran away to China. He
planned to take over Hogwarts through inane USENET posts.

Twittering One

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Jul 20, 2007, 6:25:18 PM7/20/07
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> A spoiler - Harry Potter's nemesis, Valdemort, turns out to be Tom
> Potter. After he killed Harry's parents, he ran away to China. He
> planned to take over Hogwarts through inane USENET posts.

Makes sense.

The_Man

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Jul 20, 2007, 6:26:19 PM7/20/07
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On Jul 16, 5:55 pm, guskz <gu...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Jul 16, 2:04 pm, Jeff Relf <Jeff_R...@Yahoo.COM> wrote:
>
> > So, according to you ( Randy ) and your buddy Gisse,
> > voltage is completely unrelated to magnetic force.
> > Next you'll be telling us food has nothing to do with living.
>
> Well I've done zillions of tests and exams, graduated 1st in my class
> and the teacher always used voltage EXTREMELY RARE did he used EMF.

Zillions? Zillions? Is that a bigger number than a "billion"? Did you
learn the meaning of EMF in the same physics course where you learned
the definition of "zillions"?

Let's see. For a bachelor's degree, there are usually 123 credits.
Let's make it easy, and say 41 3-credit courses. Of course, there are
several 1 credit labs, but we'll keep it simple. Only about 80 credits
are science, the rest being English, math, and other liberal arts.

In each course, there are at least 2 exams (midterm and final). Let's
say that there are 4 exams, to be a little on the high side, and to
cover the labs (Which typically only have a lab final). That gives a
total of 41 times 4, which would be 164.

Apparently, "Zillions" really means "on the order of magnitude of
150".

>
> I told Eric Gisse and Randy a zillion times (you would think they
> remembered): give me examples using Newtonian Mechanics instead of
> Quantum or ELECRO****MOTIVE**** mechanics......****BEFORE**** the EMF
> incident.
> ****************************************
>
> Plain and simple Electro...motive means electro...motion and due to
> the electro....magnetic field: the are two electroMOTION forces
> (electric force and magnetic force).
>
> Number 1. Is the ELECTRIC FORCE found in batteries, power recepticles
> and they ALWAYS CALL it VOLTAGE , VARY RARELY they use EMF.
>
> Number 2. The real time they use EMF if Randy or Eric had the
> experience I had is with MAGNETIC FORCE and coils (not Electric
> Force).
>
> In fact they lazily call it sometimes ElectricMotor Force...clarifying
> that it excludes CURRENT INDUCTION (TRANSFORMERS) and instead
> EXPLICITLY MEANS an opposite type of coil configuration that brings
> about the Electric Motor principale.....And if an Alternator doesn't
> generate an EMF that recharges a car battery then Eric and Randy
> should go back to school.
>
> I personally would like to see Eric trying to generate any kind of
> MOTOR FORCE by applying his EMF to batteries or likewise voltage
> source. It is not the Electric Force that generates the Motor
> principale, it is THE MAGNETIC FORCE, EMF through coils both in
> Alternators and Electric Motors.


Twittering One

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Jul 20, 2007, 6:57:05 PM7/20/07
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There is a Muggle Festival in Portland this evening, that silly book
town ~ !

Twittering One

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Jul 20, 2007, 6:58:29 PM7/20/07
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... and that other very, very silly book town, they are making Braille
versions of Hallows, at breakneck polka ~ dot speed ~ !

Bob Cain

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Jul 21, 2007, 5:15:28 AM7/21/07
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Twittering One wrote:
> ... and that other very, very silly book town, they are making Braille
> versions of Hallows, at breakneck polka ~ dot speed ~ !


So who killed J.R.?


Bob
--

"Things should be described as simply as possible, but no simpler."

A. Einstein

Painius

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"Bob Cain" <arc...@arcanemethods.com> wrote in message...
news:ioWdnXwnz9AlUzzb...@giganews.com...

Well Bob, at first i thought it had to be the
writers. They hated him a *lot*!

Then, for just a brief while i thought nope,
it must've been the producers. I mean, they
*really* hated him a lot!

But i finally settled on the hairdresser. (It's
*always* the unassuming, least suspect and
darkly violent and homicidal hairdresser that
does all the murdering these days.

happy days and...
starry starry nights!

--
Alien hearts wear crying mask,
With eyes and tears that burn,
From their spot on Mars they ask,
"When will they ever learn?"

http://www.astrobio.net/news/Topic6.html

Indelibly yours,
Paine
http://www.savethechildren.org/
http://www.painellsworth.net


G=EMC^2 Glazier

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Jul 21, 2007, 8:32:27 AM7/21/07
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Voltage can best be related to "water pressure" bert

Szczepan Bialek

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"G=EMC^2 Glazier" <herbert...@webtv.net>wrote
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> Voltage can best be related to "water pressure" bert

Yes. But it creatures many false predictions. Voltage should be related to
"gas pressure".
S*


Tom Potter

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"Eric Gisse" <jow...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1184969301....@i38g2000prf.googlegroups.com...

Gisse makes a good point when he says"
"Reading is fundamental."

Although Gisse is a recent high school graduate,
he needs to go back to middle school and
redo the "fundamentals".

Here are a few of the many, many posts by
"The_Man" that demonstrates his extreme bias for
Israel, and tries to instigate hate for Muslims,
by parroting boilerplate Israeli lies.

Of course, it may be that Gisse is a very slow reader,
and has low comprehension, and is not capable of
assimulating and comprehending what people are posting.

==============
From: "The_Man" <me_so_hornee...@yahoo.com>
Date: 4 Aug 2006 13:26:50 -0700
Local: Sat, Aug 5 2006 4:26 am
Subject: Re: Islam wants Israel to pay for it

Al Smith wrote:
> Muslims press U.N. for truce in Lebanon

Cool - proves they're getting their asses kicked by the Israelis.

==================
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush
From: "The_Man" <me_so_hornee...@yahoo.com>
Date: 3 Aug 2006 13:19:21 -0700
Local: Fri, Aug 4 2006 4:19 am
Subject: Re: Olmert wants foreigners to fight and die for Israel

You can't have it both ways - if you want the Israelis to stop kicking
the crap out of yout terrorist butt buddies, the UN wil have to supply
a REAl army, not the joke shit they have been doing since 1978.

Or, you can keep the UN out, and allow Israel to crush Hezbolah, which
is what much of the world privately hopes anyway.The fact that Iran,
Syrai, and Hezbollah keep begging for a cease fire gives a pretty good
clue as to whom is being mauled.

===========
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush, uk.politics.misc, alt.politics.england.misc,
alt.politics.british
From: "The_Man" <me_so_hornee...@yahoo.com>
Date: 30 Jul 2006 12:11:18 -0700
Local: Mon, Jul 31 2006 3:11 am
Subject: Re: The REAL reason why Israel murdered the UN observers.

Your ilk has condemned aleged Israeli use of cluster bombs, citing a
14% failure rate. What do you think the failure rate is for the
guidance system of a "smart" bomb? Of course, even the dumbest bomb is
probably 100 IQ points higher than you.

=============
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush, soc.culture.israel, soc.culture.syria,
soc.culture.lebanon, soc.culture.iranian
From: "The_Man" <me_so_hornee...@yahoo.com>
Date: 17 Jul 2006 14:26:20 -0700
Local: Tues, Jul 18 2006 5:26 am
Subject: Re: ISRAEL Must Bomb Iran & Syria NOW, Or Leave "Homeland"

Coffee in Madrid wrote:
> In article <1153170380.133495.206...@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
> "Akneigh Wombuster" <clitte...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> > 48 years of almost nonstop HELL ... and still no peace between Israel
> > and its Muslim "neigbors." What kind of life can this be for Middle
> > East residents? What security, what future can there be for any
> > citizen, when this day could be one's LAST?


> > Fact is, there will NEVER be peace there unless:

> > A) Israel destroys its foes' military capabilities and constantly
> > monitors Syria, Iran, Lebanon et al. forever, or

I vote for A. Let's have a show of hands, please.....

==============

The_Man

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Jul 21, 2007, 2:05:37 PM7/21/07
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Hi Tom,

Thanks for all those photographs of the Chinese military
installations that you sent me. I passed them on to the CIA, FBI, NSA,
and the Mossad. The Jews were very, very grateful for the information,
and they will never forget it. They told me to tell you to be really
careful, since the Chinese government is suspicious of foreigners
living in China. As you know, all foreigners in China have to register
with the police. The Chinese are notoriously suspcious. If I were you,
I would lay low for a while. You, with that superb technical
background and knowledge of military hardware, would be the perfect
guy to get information on the Chinese military.

Your photographs, by the way, were excellent. Damn, those Chinese anti-
espionage people must really blow at their jobs! You, an obvious
Westerner, with contacts at NASA (which everybody knows is a front for
the military-industrial complex) and background in "engineering", and
always out and about photographing "landmarks" are the perfect plant.
We were really lucky to plant you there. After a while, they see you
around so often they forget who you are, and how much damage you could
do.

Keep up with "The Jews" this and "the Jews" that. The Chinese are so
stupid, they wouldn't know a Jew if they stumbled into a kosher deli.
They are so stupid, they don't even realize that almost everybody with
the last name "Potter" is probably a Jew. There aren't many Jews in
science, are there? Hahahaha! If you keep ranting and raving about the
"Religious Wars" long enough, maybe you'll fool those dufus Chinese
coolies long enough to get those plans that Zhu Chou Zhang from the
PLA is going to pass to you. We''ll pass a copy onto the Taiwanese
officials as soon as possible.

Once he does, you better make a quick "vacation" toward Hong Kong. I
think they might be on to you. I heard that China actually censors the
Interent, and that they tap the lines of all Westerners. Wouldn't THAT
be a bitch?

Thanks again. Not everyone would be brave enough to infilitrate the
Chinese defense industry. I hear that when they catch spies, they have
ways of inflicting pain that is absolutely HORRIBLE. They say, you
scream out in agony for DAYS. Wow - I'm glad it's not ME that is
there. Good thing, though, that their spy agencies are full of
political hacks, who wouldn't know a spy if he came up and ate their
dog. Sorry, had to work a Michael Vick joke in there somewhere.

Well, Shalom,

Your friends in the CIA, FBI, Mossad, and Taiwanese Intelligence


hanson

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Jul 21, 2007, 2:52:22 PM7/21/07
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AHAHAHAHA... GREAT ONE!... and stirring the pot some more:
>
Yo, Potter, ... I don't know what you did to that homo-Man below that
he posted for you all those Jew fantasies... Maybe he and them are
shaking in their boots because Congress shows clear Anti-Semitism
in their votes "'NOT to shield whistleblowers when reporting suspicious
behavior of ass-venters"... and in its attempts to cut off the war funding
because:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics/msg/e5bffaea692a1650
>
.. and so ... ahahahaha... AHAHAHAHA... ahahahaha...
the professor-wanna-be and transparent Jew, the "The_homo_Man"
<me_so_h...@yahoo.com> CRANKED himself in message
news:1185041137....@o61g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...

The_Man

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On Jul 21, 2:52 pm, "hanson" <han...@quick.net> wrote:
> AHAHAHAHA... GREAT ONE!... and stirring the pot some more:

Hanson - keep it up. We have to keep Potter "under the radar" (pun
intended!) at least a few more weeks, to we get those photos of the
PLA radar installations and missile manufacturing facilities. The more
you echo the "anti-Semitism" lines, the less the Chinese will suspect
him!

BTW, Tom should be careful. The Chinese are no fans of the Muslims,
either. In fact, their excuse to crush self-determination in their
Western provinces is that the freedom fighters there are "Islamic
terrorists". Tell Tom to watch what he says - the biggest problem with
currying favor with a dictatorsrhip is that they often change their
minds faster than you can agree.

It was clever of Tom to hide the plans in his "Website" of
"fundamental particles". Very clever!. Those Chinese are probably so
stupid they would think that a brilliant, educated engineer/physicist
like Tom, in cahoots with NASA, could possibly believe that trash. As
long as they believe for just a couple more week, we're good.

Thank you for your help, too, hanson. The Landsmen would be proud.

>
> Yo, Potter, ... I don't know what you did to that homo-Man below that
> he posted for you all those Jew fantasies... Maybe he and them are
> shaking in their boots because Congress shows clear Anti-Semitism
> in their votes "'NOT to shield whistleblowers when reporting suspicious
> behavior of ass-venters"... and in its attempts to cut off the war funding
> because:http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics/msg/e5bffaea692a1650
>
> .. and so ... ahahahaha... AHAHAHAHA... ahahahaha...
> the professor-wanna-be and transparent Jew, the "The_homo_Man"

> <me_so_hornee...@yahoo.com> CRANKED himself in messagenews:1185041137....@o61g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...

> > Your friends in the CIA, FBI, Mossad, and Taiwanese Intelligence- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -


Art Deco

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Jul 21, 2007, 5:35:36 PM7/21/07
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Tom Potter <tdp...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>And as can be seen, Jews instigated and profited from
>the Class Wars of the 1900's,
>and they are desperately trying to get the
>Religious Wars of the 2000's going
>as the loot from their Class Wars is almost gone.

Another flaming little racial bigot in alt.astronomy. How you flew
under the radar for so long and avoided earning your well-deserved Kook
of the Month was quite a feat, TommY.

--
Official Overseer of Kooks and Saucerheads for alt.astronomy
Trainer and leash holder of:
Honest "Clockbrain" John
nightbat "fro0tbat" of alt.astronomy
Tom "TommY Crackpotter" Potter

Art Deco

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Jul 21, 2007, 5:38:12 PM7/21/07
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Tom Potter <tdp...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>I am confident that I can help you
>overcome your bigotry and sociopathy,

Yet you can't overcome your own neo-Nazi racial cowardice and bigotry,
TommY. Why is that?

[TommY froups dumped, on-topic AUK restored]

--
Official Overseer of Kooks and Saucerheads for alt.astronomy
Trainer and leash holder of:
Honest "Clockbrain" John
nightbat "fro0tbat" of alt.astronomy
Tom "TommY Crackpotter" Potter

Archie Leach

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Jul 21, 2007, 6:04:27 PM7/21/07
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Art Deco <er...@caballista.org> wrote:

>Tom Potter <tdp...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>And as can be seen, Jews instigated and profited from
>>the Class Wars of the 1900's,
>>and they are desperately trying to get the
>>Religious Wars of the 2000's going
>>as the loot from their Class Wars is almost gone.
>
>Another flaming little racial bigot in alt.astronomy. How you flew
>under the radar for so long and avoided earning your well-deserved Kook
>of the Month was quite a feat, TommY.

KKKracKKKPotter, indeed.


hanson

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Jul 21, 2007, 8:33:58 PM7/21/07
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Hi, homo_Man... ahahahaha... ahahahaha....
"The_Man" <me_so_h...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1185049050.1...@r34g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...

> On Jul 21, 2:52 pm, "hanson" <han...@quick.net> wrote:
>> AHAHAHAHA... GREAT ONE!... and stirring the pot some more:
>
[The_homo_Man]

> Hanson - keep it up. We have to keep Potter "under the radar" (pun
> intended!) at least a few more weeks, to we get those photos of the
> PLA radar installations and missile manufacturing facilities.
>
[hanson]
.... homo_Man, you are having Jewish dreams of megalomania
here... ahahahahaha.. almost like Hebie Glaser of G=EMC^2...
ahahaha... But what you should be concerned about when it comes
to missile manufacturing over there, then do not forget that it was
a Jew, Raytheon's CEO Schwartz who sold the M-guidance systems
to the Chinese during the Clinton admin, ... and for which Al Gore
collected $millions in Buddhist covered campaign contributions.
>
[The_homo_Man]

>The more you echo the "anti-Semitism" lines,
>
[hanson]
... So what, h_M?.. "anti-Semitism" is GOOD and highly
desirable by the Jews themselves. Tom Potter does Jews an
immeasurable favor. Yet you, being a Jew, just can't see that.
Here, let me spell it out for you, homo-Man, in the words of the
wise and patriotic man, Israel's ex PM Ariel Sharon himself:
http://sandiego.indymedia.org/en/2002/04/1003.shtml
::Sharon:: .... we might go wild and burn all the oil fields in the
::Sharon:: Middle East! We might start World War Three.
::Sharon:: We might use nuclear arms. We are **Judeo-Nazis**.
::Sharon:: I am disgrace to humanity, I don't mind, on the contrary.
::Sharon:: ** I will do all I can to increase Anti-Semitism **, and be
::Sharon:: prepared to absorb the Yids I will force to flee to this
::Sharon:: country and teach them to be a light unto the gentiles.
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics/msg/e5bffaea692a1650
>
[The_homo_Man --- orig. continued]

> the less the Chinese will suspect him!
>BTW, Tom should be careful.
> The Chinese are no fans of the Muslims, either.
> In fact, their excuse to crush self-determination in their
> Western provinces is that the freedom fighters there are "Islamic
> terrorists". Tell Tom to watch what he says - the biggest problem with
> currying favor with a dictatorsrhip is that they often change their
> minds faster than you can agree.
>
> It was clever of Tom to hide the plans in his "Website" of
> "fundamental particles". Very clever!. Those Chinese are probably so
> stupid they would think that a brilliant, educated engineer/physicist
> like Tom, in cahoots with NASA, could possibly believe that trash. As
> long as they believe for just a couple more week, we're good.
>
> Thank you for your help, too, hanson. The Landsmen would be proud.
>
[hanson insert]
... ahahahahaha.. What is that "we" shit homo-Man? Why and what about
are "we good" for a couple more weeks?... ahahaha... You must know
something I don't. So, cough it up in The Wake, dude... ahahaha....
>
>
[hanson orig continued]

Yo, Potter, ... I don't know what you did to that homo-Man below that
he posted for you all his Jew fantasies... Maybe he and them are

shaking in their boots because Congress shows clear Anti-Semitism
in their votes "'NOT to shield whistleblowers when reporting suspicious
behavior of ass-venters"... and in its attempts to cut off the war funding
because:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics/msg/e5bffaea692a1650

Tom Potter

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Jul 22, 2007, 2:34:10 AM7/22/07
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"Art Deco" <er...@caballista.org> wrote in message
news:210720071535365693%er...@caballista.org...

> Tom Potter <tdp...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>And as can be seen, Jews instigated and profited from
>>the Class Wars of the 1900's,
>>and they are desperately trying to get the
>>Religious Wars of the 2000's going
>>as the loot from their Class Wars is almost gone.
>
> Another flaming little racial bigot in alt.astronomy. How you flew
> under the radar for so long and avoided earning your well-deserved Kook
> of the Month was quite a feat, TommY.
>
> --
> Official Overseer of Kooks and Saucerheads for alt.astronomy
> Trainer and leash holder of:
> Honest "Clockbrain" John
> nightbat "fro0tbat" of alt.astronomy
> Tom "TommY Crackpotter" Potter

"Art Deco" makes a good point when he points out
that Jews have instititutionalized bigotry.

The definition of "bigot" is:
"A prejudiced person who is intolerant of any opinions differing from his
own."

As can be seen by their "Jimmy Cartering" and "Mel Gibsoning"
of actors, posters, politicians, and plain, old, ordinary citizens like me,
.
who express an opinion differing from theirs, etc.,
with lies, distortions, vulgar insults, attacks on family members, etc.
Jews have instititutionalized bigotry.

It is obvious that if Jews were as smart and as moral
as they pretend to be,
that they could and would address messages
in a rational, intelligent, MORAL way,
and would not have to resort to vulgarity and bigotry to obscure messages.

It is interesting to see that a few race-biased Bigots,
possibility operating out of a boiler-room,
use the newsgroups to "Jimmy Carter" and "Mel Gibson"
ordinary citizens who make posts unflattering to Jews.

As can be seen by studying history,
Jews have come into conflict with all of their neighbors throughout history,
and they are pissing off the last friend (America) they have on the earth
with their profanity, vulgarity, bigotry, personal assaults on good folks,
and their putting the interests of Israel above the interests of America,
etc. If they don't take over the American presidency in 2008,
they are fucked.

Hopefully Jews will not succeed in their efforts to
create hate for both Republicans and Democrats,
and divide the vote in the 2008 presidential election
33% Republican,
33% Democratic,
34 % for the Jewish mayor of New York,

as this would be the most destructive event in
the history of mankind.

Far more destructive that the Jewish
massacring the Russian Royal Family,
co-opting the Russian government,
and causing the deaths of millions of Native Russians.

If folks want to know what this gang would do to American Blacks,
Latinos, Rednecks, Christians, just take a look at what they did
to millions of native Russians after they grabbed the Russian government.

Here is a Web site that writes about some of the
good people who have systematically attacked by bigoted Jews
for simply speaking the truth.

<http://www.zundelsite.org/english/debate/victims/index.html>

Thanks for raising this very important issue, Art.

Your pal,

Tom Potter

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Jul 22, 2007, 2:38:02 AM7/22/07
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"Art Deco" <er...@caballista.org> wrote in message
news:210720071538125074%er...@caballista.org...

> Tom Potter <tdp...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>I am confident that I can help you
>>overcome your bigotry and sociopathy,
>
> Yet you can't overcome your own neo-Nazi racial cowardice and bigotry,
> TommY. Why is that?
>
> [TommY froups dumped, on-topic AUK restored]
>
> --
> Official Overseer of Kooks and Saucerheads for alt.astronomy
> Trainer and leash holder of:
> Honest "Clockbrain" John
> nightbat "fro0tbat" of alt.astronomy
> Tom "TommY Crackpotter" Potter

The definition of "bigot" is:


"A prejudiced person who is intolerant of any opinions differing from his
own."

Considering that Art Deco posts anonymously,
and spends all of his time attacking folks
who express opinions that "differ from his"

it is very clear that Art Deco is a coward,
a bigot of the first order,

and someone who puts race and religion
above the interests of America and mankind.

Unlike Art Deco and other bigots who systematically
"Jimmy Carter" and "Mel Gibson" folks,
in order to silence or discredit them,

I post my opinions and I welcome, in fact, encourage
anyone to debate the issues.

And unlike the cowardly, anonymous, bigoted Art Deco,
I post hundreds of pictures of me and my family on the Internet.

I will be looking forward to seeing Art Deco
demonstrate that he is not an anonymous, race motivated, bigot
(And possibly a paid, boiler-room operative.)
by engaging in rational, intelligent, MORAL debates on issues.

Tom Potter

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Jul 22, 2007, 2:35:20 AM7/22/07
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"The_Man" <me_so_h...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1185049050.1...@r34g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...

It appears that
"The_Man" <me_so_h...@yahoo.com>

is frustrated because the Chinese work hard
to prevent greedy, immoral, race-biased bigots
from coming in, trashing their society
and stealing their wealth.

For example, observe that


Jews have come into conflict with all of their neighbors

throughout history because of their propensity to:

a. Migrate to the richest nation.
b. Buy, con, or intimidate that nation's leaders
to promote their self-serving agenda.
c. After they rape and destroy the vitality of their host nation,
the native citizens demand new leaders, and the rejection of the gang.
d. The War-for-profit gang migrates to the new most powerful
nation, and the cycle starts all over again.

It appears that people like
"The_Man" <me_so_h...@yahoo.com>
who would make China their next victim,

don't look kindly on China's
efforts to maintain her wealth and culture.

But "The_Man" <me_so_h...@yahoo.com>
did raise a good point about "self-determination".

I bet that the vast majority of Americans
would like a little of that "self-determination",

and not having greedy, evil, race-biased bigots
buy their politicians and use them to
to steal their assets,
involve them in needless wars,
trash their culture, and
take away their freedoms.

Tom Potter

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Jul 22, 2007, 2:35:31 AM7/22/07
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"Archie Leach" <munjay@mo.i> wrote in message
news:eh05a3tnakb58vkkl...@4ax.com...

The definition of "bigot" is:


"A prejudiced person who is intolerant of any opinions differing from his
own."

As can be seen by their "Jimmy Cartering" and "Mel Gibsoning"


of actors, posters, politicians, and plain, old, ordinary citizens like me,
.
who express an opinion differing from theirs, etc.,
with lies, distortions, vulgar insults, attacks on family members, etc.
Jews have instititutionalized bigotry.

It is obvious that if Jews were as smart and as moral
as they pretend to be,
that they could and would address messages
in a rational, intelligent, MORAL way,
and would not have to resort to vulgarity and bigotry to obscure messages.

It is sad to see that a few race-biased Bigots,


possibility operating out of a boiler-room,
use the newsgroups to "Jimmy Carter" and "Mel Gibson"
ordinary citizens who make posts unflattering to Jews.

As can be seen by studying history,
Jews have come into conflict with all of their neighbors throughout history,
and they are pissing off the last friend (America) they have on the earth
with their profanity, vulgarity, bigotry, personal assaults on good folks,
and their putting the interests of Israel above the interests of America,
etc. If they don't take over the American presidency in 2008,
they are fucked.

Hopefully Jews will not succeed in their efforts to

create hate for Republicans and Democrats,


and divide the vote in the 2008 presidential election
33% Republican,
33% Democratic,
34 % for the Jewish mayor of New York,

as this would be the most destructive event in

the history of mankind,
far more destructive that the Jewish


massacring the Russian Royal Family,
co-opting the Russian government,

and causing the deaths of millions on Native Russians.

If folks want to know what this gang would do to American Blacks,
Latinos, Rednecks, Christians, just take a look at what they did
to millions of native Russians after they grabbed the Russian government.

Here is a Web site that writes about some of the
good people who have systematically attacked by bigoted Jews
for simply speaking the truth.

<http://www.zundelsite.org/english/debate/victims/index.html>

Thanks for raising this very important issue, Archie.

What do you think Archie?
Why do you think eace-biased bigots attack messengers
with phrases like "KKKracKKKPotter",
rather than addressing messages in an honest way?

Do you think they have something to hide?

Tom Potter

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"hanson" <han...@quick.net> wrote in message
news:WBxoi.460$Ub7.201@trnddc04...

As my Pappy used to say:
"A stuck pig squeals."

It appears that I must have stuck a few pigs real good,
when I pointed out that Jews have a 3000 year history of

a. Migrating to the richest nation.

b. Buying and intimidating that nation's leaders


to promote their self-serving agenda.

c. Looting, raping, and destroying the vitality of their host nation.

d. Migrating to another rich nation,
after the nation is looted,
and the native citizens reject the gang.

I think the pigs are squealing because they had
China in their sights, and I blew their cover.

Archie Leach

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Jul 22, 2007, 4:32:55 AM7/22/07
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"Tom Potter" <tdp...@yahoo.com> wrote:

[...]


>As my Pappy used to say:
>"A stuck pig squeals."

Indeed.

>It appears that I must have stuck a few pigs real good,
>when I pointed out that Jews have a 3000 year history of
>
>a. Migrating to the richest nation.
>
>b. Buying and intimidating that nation's leaders
>to promote their self-serving agenda.
>
>c. Looting, raping, and destroying the vitality of their host nation.
>
>d. Migrating to another rich nation,
>after the nation is looted,
>and the native citizens reject the gang.

I guess that explains, for instance, the Babylonian captivity, the
ancient (up until modern times) Jewish community in Iraq, the Nazi
Holocaust, the Pogroms in already-dirt-poor Czarist Russia, etc.

Wow, TommY. Your historical grasp is almost as corrupt and faulty as
your grasp of modern physics. How surprising.

>I think the pigs are squealing because they had
>China in their sights, and I blew their cover.
>

Don't give yourself too much credit, TommY.

hanson

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Jul 22, 2007, 11:27:32 AM7/22/07
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"Billion to 1 Tom Potter" <tdp...@yahoo.com> & his "pappy"
wrote in news:46a2f268$0$16300$8826...@free.teranews.com...
>
> On Jul 21, "hanson" <han...@quick.net> wrote

> Hi, homo_Man... ahahahaha... ahahahaha....
"The_Man" <me_so_h...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1185049050.1...@r34g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...
> On Jul 21, 2:52 pm, "hanson" <han...@quick.net> wrote:
>> AHAHAHAHA... GREAT ONE!... and stirring the pot some more:
>
[The_homo_Man]
> Hanson - keep it up. We have to keep Potter "under the radar" (pun
> intended!) at least a few more weeks, to we get those photos of the
> PLA radar installations and missile manufacturing facilities.
>
[hanson]
.... homo_Man, you are having Jewish dreams of megalomania
here... ahahahahaha.. almost like Hebie Glaser of G=EMC^2...
ahahaha... But what you should be concerned about when it comes
to missile manufacturing over there, then do not forget that it was
a Jew, Raytheon's CEO Schwartz who sold the M-guidance systems
to the Chinese during the Clinton admin, ... and for which Al Gore
collected $millions in Buddhist covered campaign contributions.
>
[The_homo_Man]
>The more you echo the "anti-Semitism" lines,
>
[hanson]
So what, homo_Man?.. "anti-Semitism" is GOOD and highly

desirable by the Jews themselves. Tom Potter does Jews an
immeasurable favor. Yet you, being a Jew, just can't see that.
Here, let me spell it out for you, homo-Man, in the words of the
wise and patriotic man, Israel's ex PM Ariel Sharon himself:
http://sandiego.indymedia.org/en/2002/04/1003.shtml
::Sharon:: .... we might go wild and burn all the oil fields in the
::Sharon:: Middle East! We might start World War Three.
::Sharon:: We might use nuclear arms. We are **Judeo-Nazis**.
::Sharon:: I am disgrace to humanity, I don't mind, on the contrary.
::Sharon:: ** I will do all I can to increase Anti-Semitism **, and be
::Sharon:: prepared to absorb the Yids I will force to flee to this
::Sharon:: country and teach them to be a light unto the gentiles.
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics/msg/e5bffaea692a1650
>
[The_homo_Man --- orig. continued]
> the less the Chinese will suspect him [Tom]!

> BTW, Tom should be careful.
> The Chinese are no fans of the Muslims, either.
> In fact, their excuse to crush self-determination in their
> Western provinces is that the freedom fighters there are "Islamic
> terrorists". Tell Tom to watch what he says - the biggest problem with
> currying favor with a dictatorsrhip is that they often change their
> minds faster than you can agree.
>
> It was clever of Tom to hide the plans in his "Website" of
> "fundamental particles". Very clever!. Those Chinese are probably so
> stupid they would think that a brilliant, educated engineer/physicist
> like Tom, in cahoots with NASA, could possibly believe that trash. As
> long as they believe for just a couple more week, we're good.
>
> Thank you for your help, too, hanson. The Landsmen would be proud.
>
[hanson inserted]
... ahahahahaha.. What is that "we"-shit, homo-Man? Why and what

about are "we good" for a couple more weeks?... ahahaha... You must
know something I don't. So, cough it up in The Wake, dude... ahahaha....
>
>
[hanson orig. continued]

Yo, Potter, ... I don't know what you did to that homo-Man below that
he posted for you all of his Jew fantasies... Maybe he and them are

shaking in their boots because Congress shows clear Anti-Semitism
in their votes *NOT* to shield whistleblowers when reporting suspicious
behavior of/from/by ass-venting Muslims... and in its attempts to cut

off the war funding because:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics/msg/e5bffaea692a1650
and so ... ahahahaha... AHAHAHAHA... ahahahaha...
>
The professor-wanna-be and transparent Jew, the "The_homo_Man"
> Your friends in the CIA, FBI, Mossad, and Taiwanese Intelligence-
>
[Tom Potter to/about The_homo_Man]

As my Pappy used to say: "A stuck pig squeals."
It appears that I must have stuck a few pigs real good,
when I pointed out that Jews have a 3000 year history of

a. Migrating to the richest nation.
b. Buying and intimidating that nation's leaders
to promote their self-serving agenda.
c. Looting, raping, and destroying the vitality of their host nation.
d. Migrating to another rich nation, after the nation is looted,
and the native citizens reject the gang.

I think the pigs are squealing because they had
China in their sights, and I blew their cover.
>

[hanson]
.... AHAHAHAHA... There is little historic dispute about your
points a, b, c & d, except by aficionados like arch Leaches
i.e. Fox Sean Hanity, stooges who feed off Jewish handouts
to keep the "victim-Jew myth" going.... ahahaha...
May all that be as is, Tom, but the flipside is that the latest
Jew migration back into Palestine does not fit your model.
Palestine is not "another rich nation".
So, modify your theory accordingly ... ahahaha...

Keep a few things in mind. If it wasn't for the Jewish mindset,
then other cliques would have filled the vacuums the Jews moved
into. There is a current analog of such an event: The ~ 12 million
illegal Mexicans that moved in the US. Naturally you should blame
the Jews for that too because the Mexers have learned that trick
from the Jews... ahahaha... and of course all those Jews in the
US admin and in the US Civil Service, including the rabbi's son
Chertoff did let all this happen. I'm sure your Pappy would agree.

Now to the funny part in your last 2-liner: "I think the pigs are squealing
because they had China in their sights, and **I** blew their cover."
... ahahahaha... AHAHAHA... Now, you sing like a megalomaniac
Jew yourself, Tom. You mean to tell here that nobody amongst the
1.2 Billion inhabitants in China saw that too... except YOU?... ahaha.
Tom, the chance of that occuring is like you winning the lottery every
day during your entire life... many times over. ... But, of course, it
could happen since you are "on a mission from God"... You said so
yourself, didn't you... or did your Pappy put you up to it?... ahahaha...
Thanks for the laughs, Tom... ahahaha... ahahahahanson

Art Deco

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Jul 22, 2007, 1:16:07 PM7/22/07
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Tom Potter <tdp...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>"Archie Leach" <munjay@mo.i> wrote in message
>news:eh05a3tnakb58vkkl...@4ax.com...
>> Art Deco <er...@caballista.org> wrote:
>>
>>>Tom Potter <tdp...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>And as can be seen, Jews instigated and profited from
>>>>the Class Wars of the 1900's,
>>>>and they are desperately trying to get the
>>>>Religious Wars of the 2000's going
>>>>as the loot from their Class Wars is almost gone.
>>>
>>>Another flaming little racial bigot in alt.astronomy. How you flew
>>>under the radar for so long and avoided earning your well-deserved Kook
>>>of the Month was quite a feat, TommY.
>>
>> KKKracKKKPotter, indeed.
>
>Th

Were you trying to communicate something, TommY?

Art Deco

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Jul 22, 2007, 1:18:03 PM7/22/07
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Tom Potter <tdp...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>"Art Deco" <er...@caballista.org> wrote in message
>news:210720071535365693%er...@caballista.org...
>> Tom Potter <tdp...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>And as can be seen, Jews instigated and profited from
>>>the Class Wars of the 1900's,
>>>and they are desperately trying to get the
>>>Religious Wars of the 2000's going
>>>as the loot from their Class Wars is almost gone.
>>
>> Another flaming little racial bigot in alt.astronomy. How you flew
>> under the radar for so long and avoided earning your well-deserved Kook
>> of the Month was quite a feat, TommY.
>>
>> --
>> Official Overseer of Kooks and Saucerheads for alt.astronomy
>> Trainer and leash holder of:
>> Honest "Clockbrain" John
>> nightbat "fro0tbat" of alt.astronomy
>> Tom "TommY Crackpotter" Potter
>
>"Art Deco" makes a good point when he points out
>that Jews have instititutionalized bigotry.

Of course I implied or wrote nothing of the sort, you delusional
projectionist.

[rant flushed, unread]

--
Official Overseer of Kooks and Saucerheads for alt.astronomy
Trainer and leash holder of:
Honest "Clockbrain" John
nightbat "fro0tbat" of alt.astronomy
Tom "TommY Crackpotter" Potter

Art Deco

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Jul 22, 2007, 1:33:34 PM7/22/07
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Archie Leach <munjay@mo.i> wrote:

>I'm speechless. This is KotY stuff, right here.

I agree 100%, Crackpotter is the strongest candidate for Rookie KotY by
far. Probably the regular KotY too, except for the solidity of the
whackjacko voting bloc. Note that whenever anyone points out his
blatant Nazi kookfroth, he then projects his bigotry back onto them.

>See below:

--

Cujo DeSockpuppet

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Jul 22, 2007, 2:00:05 PM7/22/07
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Art Deco <er...@caballista.org> wrote in
news:220720071133348526%er...@caballista.org:

> Archie Leach <munjay@mo.i> wrote:
>
>>I'm speechless. This is KotY stuff, right here.
>
> I agree 100%, Crackpotter is the strongest candidate for Rookie KotY
> by far. Probably the regular KotY too, except for the solidity of the
> whackjacko voting bloc.

Here's a simple fix:
1. Get CrackPotter to whine about Wacko.
2. Post it to AMM-J.

I see you've got half of that done. Now you can just hope that Wacko
doesn't do anything exceptionally stupid and Spermwhale Russell doesn't
get booze for Xmas.

HTH!

> Note that whenever anyone points out his
> blatant Nazi kookfroth, he then projects his bigotry back onto them.

It's still a bad version of our 2X KOTY.

Art Deco

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Jul 22, 2007, 3:38:53 PM7/22/07
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Cujo DeSockpuppet <cu...@petitmorte.net> wrote:

>Art Deco <er...@caballista.org> wrote in
>news:220720071133348526%er...@caballista.org:
>
>> Archie Leach <munjay@mo.i> wrote:
>>
>>>I'm speechless. This is KotY stuff, right here.
>>
>> I agree 100%, Crackpotter is the strongest candidate for Rookie KotY
>> by far. Probably the regular KotY too, except for the solidity of the
>> whackjacko voting bloc.
>
>Here's a simple fix:
>1. Get CrackPotter to whine about Wacko.
>2. Post it to AMM-J.

Crackpotter likes to spread his revelatory spews far and wide, perhaps
TommY will see the need include Michael Jackson.


>
>I see you've got half of that done. Now you can just hope that Wacko
>doesn't do anything exceptionally stupid and Spermwhale Russell doesn't
>get booze for Xmas.

Like those will ever not happen.


>
>HTH!
>
>> Note that whenever anyone points out his
>> blatant Nazi kookfroth, he then projects his bigotry back onto them.
>
>It's still a bad version of our 2X KOTY.

Oh don't get me wrong, I'm not saying the particular whackjacko phan of
interest here isn't worthy, just that the followers of said phan are
the best at backing their pet ko0k.

--

Archie Leach

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Jul 23, 2007, 6:34:56 AM7/23/07
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Art Deco <er...@caballista.org> wrote:

>Tom Potter <tdp...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>"Archie Leach" <munjay@mo.i> wrote in message
>>news:eh05a3tnakb58vkkl...@4ax.com...
>>> Art Deco <er...@caballista.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Tom Potter <tdp...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>And as can be seen, Jews instigated and profited from
>>>>>the Class Wars of the 1900's,
>>>>>and they are desperately trying to get the
>>>>>Religious Wars of the 2000's going
>>>>>as the loot from their Class Wars is almost gone.
>>>>
>>>>Another flaming little racial bigot in alt.astronomy. How you flew
>>>>under the radar for so long and avoided earning your well-deserved Kook
>>>>of the Month was quite a feat, TommY.
>>>
>>> KKKracKKKPotter, indeed.
>>
>>Th
>
>Were you trying to communicate something, TommY?

Well, whatever it was, it was x-posted to alt.astronomy, sci.physics,
alt.fan.howard-stern, alt.law-enforcement, talk.politics.guns,
sci.math, sci.chem, alt.politics.bush, alt.politics.clinton,
alt.sports.basketball.nba.sa-spurs. That much I gleaned from Google
Groups, because apparently my news server of choice doesn't much care
for messages x-posted to 10 different groups.

I think what he was trying to say is:

These "Jewish" agents provocateurs sound suspiciously like
Karczewski's "Government Disinformation Agents".


n...@nospam.nul

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