Einstein was right (again) - Read and weep kooks

Llanzlan Klazmon

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Mar 11, 2010, 5:26:33 PM3/11/10

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UC BERKELEY (US)—An analysis of more than 70,000 galaxies demonstrates
that the universe—at least up to a distance of 3.5 billion light years
from Earth—plays by the rules set out 95 years ago by Albert Einstein
in his General Theory of Relativity.

http://futurity.org/top-stories/einstein-validated-on-cosmic-scale/

Yousuf Khan

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Mar 11, 2010, 7:02:20 PM3/11/10

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Well, not so fast, it looks like the "f(R) gravity" theory also works
here. They ruled out TeVeS, but not f(R). Also the version of Relativity
that they used used the Cosmic Constant that Einstein had thrown out.
The Cosmic Constant can of course be set to anything you like and make
it fit the observations.

Yousuf Khan

Llanzlan Klazmon

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Mar 11, 2010, 7:10:32 PM3/11/10

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The more observations like these, the less wriggle room. Obviously
fiddling with such constants isn't enough to stop TeVeS being buried
for example.

eric gisse

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Mar 11, 2010, 7:51:14 PM3/11/10

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Llanzlan Klazmon wrote:

> UC BERKELEY (US)?An analysis of more than 70,000 galaxies demonstrates
> that the universe?at least up to a distance of 3.5 billion light years
> from Earth?plays by the rules set out 95 years ago by Albert Einstein

> in his General Theory of Relativity.
>
> http://futurity.org/top-stories/einstein-validated-on-cosmic-scale/

Like the kooks would be convinced by this. They are kooks precisely because
they ignore observation.

Yousuf Khan

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Mar 11, 2010, 7:56:35 PM3/11/10

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TeVeS might yet come back with some parameter adjustments, I don't know;
just like Relativity was saved this time by fiddling with its
parameters. The Cosmic Constant was basically the fudge factor that made
Relativity compatible with Dark Energy.

f(R) is looking especially good right now, though. That's because there
is still one other big fudge factor that still needs to be proven to
make Relativity work, and that is Dark Matter. f(R) doesn't need any,
but Relativity does.

Yousuf Khan

BURT

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Mar 11, 2010, 8:48:59 PM3/11/10

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> Yousuf Khan- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Space expansion needs no generating energy. It is generated by a
higher dimension expansion. The curve of space is energyless but
originates at mass density center.

Mitch Raemsch

Tom Potter

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Mar 11, 2010, 9:12:50 PM3/11/10

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"eric gisse" <jowr.pi...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Gisse raises a good point when he observes
that some folks ( Kooks? ),
are "convinced" more by what happens
in their lives, rather than by observations
of remote things that have been hacked to fit some model
using equations discovered by Newton, Maxwell, Doppler, Galileo,
Hubble, etc.

It appears to me that wise folks
use models like Newton's, Maxwell's, and
the Francis/Crick DNA model
that make enormous contributions to their lives,

rather than models promoted by Gurus on the public dole,
and wastes time, money and minds,
and uses rubber rulers and clocks to
speculate about time travel, worm holes, gravitons,
and things beyond man's capacity
to ever experience in time and space,
like the beginning and end of the universe,
and the mind of God.

Although General Relativity was an effort by Einstein to
apply the model (Stresses and strains)
and the tools (Tensors) of the stress-analysis Gurus
to total universe,

it does not take a system engineer to comprehend,
that while stress analysis works fine on inanimate matter,
it is not useful for modeling matter inhabited by sentient beings.

Now it may be that the people ( Kooks? ) who
cling to General Relativity Religiously,
are either motivated by tapping into the taxpayer's purse,
or pretending to be privy to powerful, esoteric knowledge,
or perhaps they think that there are no sentient beings
in the universe.

Considering that the DNA model is used every day to
fight crime, protect the innocent, improve food crops,
improve medical care, reconstruct the past, etc.
can you imagine what could have been done with the
billions of dollars that have been wasted trying to
rationalize General Relativity,
if the money had been invested in DNA projects?

Considering its' usefulness,
one has to wonder why General Relativity
consumes so much attention and money.

Could it be that the Mass Media
made Einstein a Poster Boy for Jewish intelligence
and ***brainwashed*** the public?

Note that the Jewish historian Josephus,
hyped the Jewish religion and myths
two thousand years ago,
in order to rationalize that the Jewish culture
was not so inferior to the cultures of Egypt,
Rome, Greece, Persia, etc.

and it may be that Jews in the Mass Media
feel the need to do likewise.

Illusion becomes reality in weak minds.
"Diamonds are a girl's best friend."
"Jews are virtuous victims."
"The God of Abraham, a guy who was kicked
out of Egypt for pimping his wife Sarah,
is the one true God."
"Iraq caused 911."
"Trust me."

A mind is a terrible thing to waste.

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eric gisse

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Mar 11, 2010, 10:50:35 PM3/11/10

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Yousuf Khan wrote:

> Llanzlan Klazmon wrote:
>> On Mar 12, 1:02 pm, Yousuf Khan <bbb...@spammenot.yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> Llanzlan Klazmon wrote:

>>>> UC BERKELEY (US)?An analysis of more than 70,000 galaxies demonstrates
>>>> that the universe?at least up to a distance of 3.5 billion light years
>>>> from Earth?plays by the rules set out 95 years ago by Albert Einstein

>>>> in his General Theory of Relativity.
>>>> http://futurity.org/top-stories/einstein-validated-on-cosmic-scale/
>>> Well, not so fast, it looks like the "f(R) gravity" theory also works
>>> here. They ruled out TeVeS, but not f(R). Also the version of Relativity
>>> that they used used the Cosmic Constant that Einstein had thrown out.
>>> The Cosmic Constant can of course be set to anything you like and make
>>> it fit the observations.
>>>
>>> Yousuf Khan
>>
>> The more observations like these, the less wriggle room. Obviously
>> fiddling with such constants isn't enough to stop TeVeS being buried
>> for example.
>
> TeVeS might yet come back with some parameter adjustments, I don't know;
> just like Relativity was saved this time by fiddling with its
> parameters. The Cosmic Constant was basically the fudge factor that made
> Relativity compatible with Dark Energy.
>
> f(R) is looking especially good right now, though. That's because there
> is still one other big fudge factor that still needs to be proven to
> make Relativity work, and that is Dark Matter. f(R) doesn't need any,
> but Relativity does.

Bullet cluster.

>
>
> Yousuf Khan

Sam Wormley

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Mar 12, 2010, 12:06:51 AM3/12/10

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Galaxy study backs general relativity
Future is bright for the dark sector
http://physicsworld.com/cws/m/1667/17632/article/news/41948

Sam Wormley

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Mar 12, 2010, 12:09:24 AM3/12/10

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Galaxy study backs general relativity
Future is bright for the dark sector
http://physicsworld.com/cws/m/1667/17632/article/news/41948

"The team also concluded that the existence of vast quantities of
invisible dark matter is the best way of explaining the motions of
galaxies. The work also suggests that dark energy, in the form of a
cosmological constant, is the best way of understanding how the universe
is expanding."

Yousuf Khan

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Mar 12, 2010, 3:39:34 AM3/12/10

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Sam Wormley wrote:
> Galaxy study backs general relativity
> Future is bright for the dark sector
> http://physicsworld.com/cws/m/1667/17632/article/news/41948
>
> "The team also concluded that the existence of vast quantities of
> invisible dark matter is the best way of explaining the motions of
> galaxies. The work also suggests that dark energy, in the form of a
> cosmological constant, is the best way of understanding how the universe
> is expanding."

Which is basically what the original article was saying. But of course
the Cosmological Constant is a fudge factor, pure and simple. It's the
fudge factor that makes Relativity compatible with Dark Energy. But
there's no explanation for why the constant is the way it is. So is it
impressive that Relativity fits the observed rate of Dark Energy
expansion? No, the fudge factor was meant to make it compatible with
Dark Energy.

Now the other fudge factor that needs to be proven is Dark Matter.
Again, Dark Matter was proposed to make observed galactic rotation
curves fit with Relativity (and Newton) too. Is it impressive that these
fit Relativity well? No, that's what they were designed to do.

Yousuf Khan

eric gisse

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Mar 12, 2010, 3:59:36 AM3/12/10

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Yousuf Khan wrote:

> Sam Wormley wrote:
>> Galaxy study backs general relativity
>> Future is bright for the dark sector
>> http://physicsworld.com/cws/m/1667/17632/article/news/41948
>>
>> "The team also concluded that the existence of vast quantities of
>> invisible dark matter is the best way of explaining the motions of
>> galaxies. The work also suggests that dark energy, in the form of a
>> cosmological constant, is the best way of understanding how the universe
>> is expanding."
>
> Which is basically what the original article was saying. But of course
> the Cosmological Constant is a fudge factor, pure and simple. It's the
> fudge factor that makes Relativity compatible with Dark Energy. But
> there's no explanation for why the constant is the way it is. So is it
> impressive that Relativity fits the observed rate of Dark Energy
> expansion? No, the fudge factor was meant to make it compatible with
> Dark Energy.

Too bad dark energy is observed to be constant across the universe down to
the ~Mpc scale.

What part of 'consistent with observation' keeps confusing people?

>
> Now the other fudge factor that needs to be proven is Dark Matter.
> Again, Dark Matter was proposed to make observed galactic rotation
> curves fit with Relativity (and Newton) too. Is it impressive that these
> fit Relativity well? No, that's what they were designed to do.

Bullet cluster. How much more proof do you require?

>
> Yousuf Khan

NoEinstein

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Mar 12, 2010, 9:40:02 AM3/12/10

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Dear Llanzian Klazmon: Using a "lead-in" like UC BERKELEY (US) is
resting on failed laurels. When any group of supposed scientists
employs the illogic of Einstein's space-time to shoe-horn analyses,
their "findings" will be without merit. Several years ago I
conclusively disproved both SR and GR. The former violates the Law of
the Conservation of Energy; and the latter (gravity) is caused by
flowing ether—NOT by distorted space-time.

The dark matter "implied" by galaxy dynamics is actually just a stupid
error made by Sir Isaac Newton in his supposed Law of Universal (sic)
Gravitation. To wit: Newton never realized that gravity is greater
for bodies that are very hot. Misunderstanding that fact caused
"scientists" to over-estimate the mass of the Universe, and to under-
estimate the force of gravity within the region of a galaxy. Because
gravity is flowing ether, and matter is composed of 'tangles' of
ether, there is little or no ether BETWEEN galaxies. Thus, gravity
isn't a trans-universe force holding everything together.

In order for ether to flow DOWN in the processes of gravity, photons
(ether) must flow outward to replenish the ether pressure. When Black
Holes go "black" the photon flow outward stops and the gravity goes to
ZERO! Black holes aren't responsible for holding anything together
but themselves! Look up the star distribution data for the center of
Andromeda, and you will see a starless band near the center where the
stars that had been about to die, into the PRE black hole, flew out on
their tangents when the light outward stopped.

The cause of the Red Shift in the microwave background radiation is
"aging" of the light—which is: Light rays that cross other light rays
in space will physically wedge the photons further apart. The greater
the distance, the more time for that wedging process to take place,
and the redder the observed light. CLOSE DOWN the physics and
astronomy departments of all universities until those "KOOKS", as you
say, can get it through their non-existent brains that Einstein's
notions about anything were just the musings of a Jewish MORON!! —
NoEinstein —

Sam Wormley

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Mar 12, 2010, 10:41:14 AM3/12/10

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On 3/12/10 2:39 AM, Yousuf Khan wrote:
> Which is basically what the original article was saying. But of course
> the Cosmological Constant is a fudge factor, pure and simple. It's the
> fudge factor that makes Relativity compatible with Dark Energy. But
> there's no explanation for why the constant is the way it is. So is it
> impressive that Relativity fits the observed rate of Dark Energy
> expansion? No, the fudge factor was meant to make it compatible with
> Dark Energy.

The term "fudge factor" is historical baggage. You seem to be
in denial of the fruitfulness of general relativity with or
without the cosmological constant.

Yousuf Khan

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Mar 12, 2010, 1:09:50 PM3/12/10

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It doesn't take away from the fact that it is a fudge factor. Now fudge
factors are not evil or anything like that, they serve their useful
purpose, but it just serves to highlight that there is an aspect of a
theory that hasn't been explained yet and there is a gap in our
knowledge about it. We are explaining it away, without explaining it.

Yousuf Khan

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Mar 12, 2010, 1:12:52 PM3/12/10

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eric gisse wrote:
> Too bad dark energy is observed to be constant across the universe down to
> the ~Mpc scale.
>
> What part of 'consistent with observation' keeps confusing people?

A fudge factor takes into account an observation, that`s what fudge
factors are for.

>> Now the other fudge factor that needs to be proven is Dark Matter.
>> Again, Dark Matter was proposed to make observed galactic rotation
>> curves fit with Relativity (and Newton) too. Is it impressive that these
>> fit Relativity well? No, that's what they were designed to do.
>
> Bullet cluster. How much more proof do you require?

Have they explained Abell 520 yet?

Yousuf Khan

eric gisse

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Mar 12, 2010, 2:26:15 PM3/12/10

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Yousuf Khan wrote:

> eric gisse wrote:
>> Too bad dark energy is observed to be constant across the universe down
>> to the ~Mpc scale.
>>
>> What part of 'consistent with observation' keeps confusing people?
>
> A fudge factor takes into account an observation, that`s what fudge
> factors are for.

...and when the 'fudge factor' is valid on both a local (~1 Mpc) and global
(all the way down to the surface of laster scattering) scale, what then?

>
>>> Now the other fudge factor that needs to be proven is Dark Matter.
>>> Again, Dark Matter was proposed to make observed galactic rotation
>>> curves fit with Relativity (and Newton) too. Is it impressive that these
>>> fit Relativity well? No, that's what they were designed to do.
>>
>> Bullet cluster. How much more proof do you require?
>
>
> Have they explained Abell 520 yet?
>
> Yousuf Khan

http://arxiv.org/abs/0706.3048

Notice the date.

Sam Wormley

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Mar 12, 2010, 2:32:26 PM3/12/10

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You are hung up on historical baggage. You seem to be in denial

of the fruitfulness of general relativity with or without the

cosmological constant. I remind you that there has yet to be an
observation that contradicts a prediction of general relativity.

clivevrob

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Mar 12, 2010, 6:01:52 PM3/12/10

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After viewing your post, as the second bona fide "kook" (although I
think "idiot" is a better description) to post on this topic, it is
interesting that both you and the other moron, Tom Potter, are
racists. I wonder if all the other nutters on here who don't accept
even SR, never mind GR (which is obviously far too complex for them to
even begin to make a sensible comment upon) are also fascists/racists/
white supremacists?

spudnik

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Mar 12, 2010, 6:57:14 PM3/12/10

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Einstein was very far from perfect, as any examination
of his biographers will show; nor was his theorizing. insofar as
The
department of Einsteinmania/The Musical Department is such
a large section of "Science" in the bookstores & libraries,
it is certainly true what Tom said; unfortunately,
Nein Ein Stein is stuck in Minkowski's little box of "times-pace,"
a serious piece of junk from an otherwise great geometer.

> After viewing your post, as the second bona fide "kook" (although I
> think "idiot" is a better description) to post on this topic, it is
> interesting that both you and the other moron, Tom Potter, are

thus:
he actually seemed to state that
the paper may have been mistranslated, as well.

> 1. E's paper was not written clearly.
> a. That's because he revised it at the last pre-publication moment.

thus:
get with the program; Einstein wasn't perfect, and
Minkowski, like anyone else, put his pants on ...
one lightcone at a a time!

thus:
that should be, "Fossilized Fuel (TM)" and *sic*;
it is simply a trade-name of oilolgical mythology
(sediments piling-up in the ocean create enough pressure
to create oil ... even though this happens, continuously,
since time immemorial).

thus:
read _The Big Bang Never Happened" by Eric Lerner,
student of the late Johannes Alfven (I have not).

thus:
what a bunch of silliness. the only real question is,
how much energy was in "de planes,"
compared to the rather small amount that is required
for a "controlled demo?" that is to say,
were the planes not adequate bombs?

thus:
the "official" report (NIST) does have interesting stuff in it
-- I linked to it via the link to Wiki --
for example, "Figure 9.3. Minimum heating of reinforced heavy columns
to initiate global collapse," which shows "temperature range
for a 50% redicution in steel strength," as opposed
to the typical desideratum of "melting" that is promoted.

> http://www.mujca.com

thus:
please, don't bother
with the pro-hominemania of your supposed status
as a practicing physicist and/or trained netdoggy!
proabably most of the interpretation of the EPR "paradox"
results,
a la Alain Aspect et al, is due to the ideal of a photon,
in assinging all of the energy of the wave-front
as a "mass" (electron-voltage, say) of a particle, whence
the wave-energy was somehow collected
by the photoeletrical device. here are two ways to get over this: a)
just consider the practice of audio quantization, the phonon; b)
show how the photoelectrical device is actually tuned
to absorb a particular frequency of light.
so, is the "phonon" just one cycle of the period of the sound,
and
like-wise, is the photon just one cycle of the frequency?

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Mar 12, 2010, 7:15:08 PM3/12/10

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> --Light: A History!http://wlym.com
>
> --Weber's electron, Moon's nucleus!http://www.21stcenturysciencetech.com/

>
> --The Ides of March Are Coming:
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Einstein said the universe must curve in the 4th dimension. This is
hypersphere cosmology where every point in the universe is the same
distance from the center of the 4th dimension or the hypersphere
surface. The round 4th dimension surface is expanding. This expands
the universe. New points are appearing everywhere at all times but it
is very slow.

Mitch Raemsch

hanson

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Mar 12, 2010, 7:45:21 PM3/12/10

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"clivevrob" <clivevr...@hotmail.com> wrote:
[snip crap] and give a hand to Clive Robinson that self
anointed Einstein Dingleberry. Give Live Clive a good
hand so that he is encouraged to enjoy his dangling in
the breeze of the farts that come out of Albert's sphincter...
ahahahaha.. ahahahahaha..
Thanks for the laughs, you fanatically religious Dingleberry.
But don't let me cramp your style, Live Clive. Carry on
and keep on worshipping.... ahahahaha... ahahahanson

Yousuf Khan

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Mar 12, 2010, 10:50:47 PM3/12/10

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eric gisse wrote:
> Yousuf Khan wrote:
>
>> eric gisse wrote:
>>> Too bad dark energy is observed to be constant across the universe down
>>> to the ~Mpc scale.
>>>
>>> What part of 'consistent with observation' keeps confusing people?
>> A fudge factor takes into account an observation, that`s what fudge
>> factors are for.
>
> ...and when the 'fudge factor' is valid on both a local (~1 Mpc) and global
> (all the way down to the surface of laster scattering) scale, what then?

If a fudge factor weren't consistent at all scales, then it wouldn't be
a good fudge factor, would it?

>>>> Now the other fudge factor that needs to be proven is Dark Matter.
>>>> Again, Dark Matter was proposed to make observed galactic rotation
>>>> curves fit with Relativity (and Newton) too. Is it impressive that these
>>>> fit Relativity well? No, that's what they were designed to do.
>>> Bullet cluster. How much more proof do you require?
>>
>> Have they explained Abell 520 yet?
>>
>> Yousuf Khan
>
> http://arxiv.org/abs/0706.3048
>
> Notice the date.

So what exactly is your point here? This paper is not saying anything
that we don't already know about Abell 520. If you recall in our
previous discussions about this, the problem is not that Ab520 doesn't
contain a big gravitational lensing source (which we'll take to be the
boundaries of Dark Matter). The problem with Ab520 is that this lensing
source is completely in the wrong location compared to the galaxies. In
all other clusters, including the Bullet, the lensing source are
supposed to coincide with the positions of the galaxies, but not the
intergalactic gas. In this case, it barely coincides with anything at
all: some of the intergalactic gas is within the lensing source, while
some of the galaxies are outside of it.

Since this paper was published in 2007, then I'll assume they still
haven't found any explanation for this at all yet.

Yousuf Khan

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Mar 12, 2010, 11:01:02 PM3/12/10

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Actually the only thing I'm in denial about is whether or not you're
actually a robotic AI program or not, as people keep whispering. I take
the time to come up with thoughtful answers to people, and you just cut
and paste pre-formed snippets and sentences over and over again.

In this case, you answered my reply to you, by just copying back your
previous answer. You barely even changed the order of the sentences.
Yeah, we get it, your bullet points are: "hung up on historical
baggage", and "denial of the fruitfulness of general relativity". Come
back when you have original thought.

Yousuf Khan

eric gisse

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Mar 12, 2010, 11:01:29 PM3/12/10

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clivevrob wrote:

[...]

> After viewing your post, as the second bona fide "kook" (although I
> think "idiot" is a better description) to post on this topic, it is
> interesting that both you and the other moron, Tom Potter, are
> racists. I wonder if all the other nutters on here who don't accept
> even SR, never mind GR (which is obviously far too complex for them to
> even begin to make a sensible comment upon) are also fascists/racists/
> white supremacists?

Way more than you'd think.

hanson

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Mar 13, 2010, 12:28:16 AM3/13/10

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"eric gisse" <jowr.pi...@gmail.com> wrote:
...

> religious Einstein Dingleberry clivevrob wrote:
>> After viewing your post, as the second bona fide "kook" (although I
>> think "idiot" is a better description) to post on this topic, it is
>> interesting that both you and the other moron, Tom Potter, are
>> racists. I wonder if all the other nutters on here who don't accept
>> even SR, never mind GR (which is obviously far too complex for them to
>> even begin to make a sensible comment upon) are also fascists/racists/
>> white supremacists?
>

"eric gisse" wrote:
> Way more than you'd think.
>

hanson wrote:
.... ahahahaha... Does that Live Clive Dingleberry impress you
because he (like you) thinks that SR/GR crap is a good thing?
If so then you and/or him have another "relative" shock coming
when you realize that SR/GR happens to be the absolute ticket
and certain guarantee to your life long poverty.
>
Haven't you Einstein Dingleberries noticed that virtually all
of them end up as computer programmers?.... if they are lucky!!...
and even that field becomes over-grown as those jobs get filled.
but SR/GR will not even buy you a cup of coffee!.... ahahahaha....
>
So, here is a hint for you Einstein Dingleberries to learn whereat
to do job-hunting, for you to eventually earn your own keep & to strive
for a decent livelyhood, .... simply by looking where Einstein's crap
is still used & where, in the **real world** they laugh about it:
>
||1||| mil/indust. Eng, R&D................"does not need REL shit" |||||
||2||| *.edu and grantology ..............."does use REL. No shit" |||||
||3||| Promo, Sales & Movies........"loves REL by the shitload" |||||
>
There's slim pickens for jobs in fields of 2 and 3 though... ahaha..
More details here in <http://tinyurl.com/ygk5r95>
>
Take your fingers out, you poor bastards. But thanks for the laughs.
ahahaha... ahahahahanson

Tom Potter

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Mar 13, 2010, 3:22:23 AM3/13/10

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>
>After viewing your post, as the second bona fide "kook" (although I
>think "idiot" is a better description) to post on this topic, it is
>interesting that both you and the other moron, Tom Potter, are
>racists. I wonder if all the other nutters on here who don't accept
>even SR, never mind GR (which is obviously far too complex for them to
>even begin to make a sensible comment upon) are also fascists/racists/
>white supremacists?

Considering that I am married to an Asian,
taught in an all-Black Inner City High School
and have many Black friends,

aggressively supported Obama in the last election,
aggressively oppose the religious wars against Muslims,

and have aggressively defended Latinos, Asians, Muslims, etc.
as can be shown by my many posts
in the newsgroups over many years,

one has to wonder why Clive Robinson calls me a racist.

Considering that Clive Robinson attacked me in a thread entitled:
"Einstein was right (again) - Read and weep kooks"

it may be that Clive Robinson is a General Relativity Guru
on the public dole, ( Or someone duped by GTR promoters.)
and is all bent out of shape because I posted that

General Relativity is an over blown model
based on the model ( Stresses and strains )
and the tools ( Tensors )
of the stress analysis gurus of the late 19th century,

that wastes time, money and minds,

and uses rubber rulers and clocks
to speculate about time travel, worm holes, gravitons,
and things beyond man's capacity
to ever experience in time and space,

like the beginning and end of time,

and the mind of God.

A mind is a terrible thing to waste.

Tom Potter

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Mar 13, 2010, 3:29:36 AM3/13/10

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"Sam Wormley" <swor...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On 3/11/10 6:56 PM, Yousuf Khan wrote:
>> Llanzlan Klazmon wrote:
>>> On Mar 12, 1:02 pm, Yousuf Khan <bbb...@spammenot.yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> Llanzlan Klazmon wrote:

>>>>> UC BERKELEY (US)-An analysis of more than 70,000 galaxies demonstrates
>>>>> that the universe-at least up to a distance of 3.5 billion light years
>>>>> from Earth-plays by the rules set out 95 years ago by Albert Einstein

The Physics World article makes a good point.

If you take the General Relativity model,
use a few constants,
adjust the model with a few Newtonian and Maxwellian hacks,
and plug in hypothetical dark matter here and there,
you can make the model approximate reality.

That is,
as long as the reality does not include sentient beings,

as General Relativity was Einstein's effort to
apply the model (Stress and strains) and the tools ( Tensors )
of the stress analysis experts of the late 19th century
to the larger universe,

and although stress analysis works very well
on inanimate structures,
it is not useful in modeling spaces
inhabited by sentient beings.

If one wants to speculate about time travel, worm holes,
dark matter, gravitons, and warping through space,
General Relativity is the way to go,

but if one wants to use a model that
sentient man can use to make his life better,
it is a waste of time, money and minds.

Tom Potter

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Mar 13, 2010, 6:18:54 AM3/13/10

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I would like to thank Clive Roberts and Erich Gisse
for demonstrating that General Relativity
seems to be more of a race/religious thing
than a useful model that sentient beings can use to
model and shape their environment.

As can be seen, Clive Roberts and Erich Gisse
like many General Relativity Cultists,
put a Jewish spin on General Relativity,
as evidenced by their personal attacks of messengers
using boilerplate words
like kook, idiot, fascist, racist, white supremacist, etc.

Obviously, 99% of the time,
these boilerplate phrases don't apply to the object of their venom,

and even if they did, or even if the object of their venom
was a rapist, child molester, murderer, member of the KKK,
a Liberal, a Conservative, a Muslim, a terrorist, etc.
what difference would it make?

INTELLIGENT, RATIONAL people
comprehend that the content of a message
is not negated by the properties of the messenger,
and that MORAL people do not use boilerplate lies.

As a Libertarian, who is married to an Asian,
who aggressively supported Obama for president,
and who has aggressively defended Blacks, Latinos, Muslims,
Asians, and ordinary folks from the attacks of the bigots
who try to stifle TRUTH by trying to silence folks
with personal attacks and boilerplate lies,

I would be more than happy to either
discuss personal qualities or to debate
serious issues in a rational, intelligent way,

and I will be looking forward to seeing
if Clive Roberts and Erich Gisse want to discuss
personal background and traits,
want to lie and smear messengers ,
or want to discuss and debate issues of general interest.

The bottom line is,
forceful HONEST folks focus on issues with no holds barred,

and fearful HONEST folks focus on issues but run away when
lied about and smeared by DISHONEST people,

and DISHONEST people attack HONEST messengers,
because most of the time it allows them to impose
their views and agenda upon others.

Robert Higgins

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Mar 13, 2010, 7:42:30 AM3/13/10

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On Mar 13, 3:22 am, "Tom Potter" <xprivatn...@mailinator.com> wrote:
> "clivevrob" <clivevrobin...@hotmail.com> wrote in message

>
> news:7a9788bc-94aa-41e6...@c16g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> >After viewing your post, as the second bona fide "kook" (although I
> >think "idiot" is a better description) to post on this topic, it is
> >interesting that both you and the other moron, Tom Potter, are
> >racists. I wonder if all the other nutters on here who don't accept
> >even SR, never mind GR (which is obviously far too complex for them to
> >even begin to make a sensible comment upon) are also fascists/racists/
> >white supremacists?
>
> Considering that I am married to an Asian,
> taught in an all-Black Inner City High School

Now we understand why black unemployment is high

> and have many Black friends,

"Many"? "Some of my best friends are black."
HInt: they haven't been "black" since about 1980. Now, they are
"African-Americans". I'm surprised that you didn't call them
"coloreds".

>
> aggressively supported Obama in the last election,

not enough to actually live in the country, though

> aggressively oppose the religious wars against Muslims,

like Afghanistan, where Obama has greatly increased the troop levels
(far more than Bush)?
like Pakistan, where Obama is judge/jury/executioner of Muslims and
their families through Predator strikes (far more than Bush)?
like Guantanamo Bay, which Obama had kept open (just like Bush)?
like Iraq, which Obama's VP BIden claims is a great U.S. success (just
like Bush)?
like warrantless surveillance of Muslims in the US (just like Bush)?

>
> and have aggressively defended Latinos, Asians, Muslims, etc.

anybody except a Jew.

> as can be shown by my many posts
> in the newsgroups over many years,
>
> one has to wonder why Clive Robinson calls me a racist.

One doesn't wonder at all.

>
> Considering that Clive Robinson attacked me in a thread entitled:
> "Einstein was right (again) - Read and weep kooks"
>
> it may be that Clive Robinson is a General Relativity Guru
> on the public dole, ( Or someone duped by GTR promoters.)
> and is all bent out of shape because I posted that
>
> General Relativity is an over blown model
> based on the model ( Stresses and strains )
> and the tools ( Tensors )
> of the stress analysis gurus of the late 19th century,
>
> that wastes time, money and minds,
> and uses rubber rulers and clocks
> to speculate about time travel, worm holes, gravitons,
> and things beyond man's capacity
> to ever experience in time and space,
> like the beginning and end of time,
> and the mind of God.
>
> A mind is a terrible thing to waste.

Too bad you helped waste so many.

>
> --
> Tom Potter
> -----------------http://www.tompotter.ushttp://tdp1001.wiki.zoho.com/http://tdp1001.wordpress.com/http://tdp1001.spaces.live.comhttp://webspace.webring.com/people/st/tdp1001http://notsocrazyideas.blogspot.com
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------

Sam Wormley

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Mar 13, 2010, 9:27:32 AM3/13/10

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You keep going on about a "fudge factor" as if disparaging the fact
that the cosmological constant is a good model for dark energy in
the general relativity equations.

You are hung up on historical baggage, Yousuf!

Tom Potter

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Mar 14, 2010, 3:21:03 AM3/14/10

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"Robert Higgins" <robert_h...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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It appears that my pal "Robert Higgins"

is all bent out of shape because

I posted that Jews promote the Urban Legend
that they are "Virtuous Victims"

in order to rationalize the fact that
they have come into conflict with
all of neighbors throughout history.

It seems to me,
that promoting the legend that they are "Virtuous Victim"
amounts to saying that all of their neighbors
were flawed in some way
not to be able to recognize that Jews are/were "virtuous".

Apparently Jews, like "Robert Higgins",
seem to think that non-Jews are either evil or stupid,
not to recognize that Jews are "Virtuous Victims"
who have been victimized by Egypt, Persia, Rome,
Spain, England, Germany, Russia, Palestine,
Iraq, Iran, Dubai, etc.

glird

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Mar 14, 2010, 2:01:11 PM3/14/10

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On Mar 11, 10:12 pm, "Tom Potter" <xprivatn...@mailinator.com> wrote:
>
> A mind is a terrible thing to waste.

Since you know that, why are you wasting your little bitty one?

spudnik

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Mar 14, 2010, 4:12:49 PM3/14/10

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thus quoth:
Alpher, Bethe, and Gamow were the whimsically conceived trio of
authors of a 1948 letter to The Physical Review, which reshaped modern
thinking on the origin of the elements, and also played an important
part in the formulation of the grand conjecture known as The Big Bang.
The famous 1948 letter is a work of scientific flim-flammery.

Aside from a lack of epistemological rigor typical of nearly all
modern cosmology, Alpher, Bethe, and Gamow’s piece had the added
feature of being a direct attack on the leading school of experimental
physical chemistry associated with William Draper Harkins, Walter and
Ida Noddack, and others. Because it might not be recognized as such
today, it is worthwhile to review that aspect of the matter, and hope
that in doing so we may cast some needed light into one of the deep,
dark holes of the cosmological mythmakers.

I came upon the Alpher, Bethe, Gamow piece in the course of pursuing
the trail of the nuclear hypothesis developed by my dear friend and
former collaborator, University of Chicago physical chemist and
physicist Dr. Robert J. Moon. Moon was the brilliant student of that
same Harkins who, for several decades, beginning about the time of
World War I, took the point against the reductionist school of atomic
and nuclear physics led by Rutherford and Bohr. We shall return to
that healthy tradition shortly. We first briefly review the story of
the overpriced letter.

caption:
Harkins noted that three elements—Oxygen (O), Silicon (Si), and Iron
(Fe)—make up more than 80 percent of the atomic composition of
meteorites. Ten elements of even number make up 97.59 perent of the
meteorites. The extraordinary abundance of just a few of the 92
elements must be a clue to the stability of their nuclear structure.
The data are given for 350 stone and 10 iron meteorites.
Source: Harkins “The Building of Atoms and the New Periodic System,”
Science, Dec. 26, 1919, p. 581

thus:
what is the comparison of the amount of energy in "de planes,"
compared with that required for Cheeny's "controlled demo,"
attaching bombs at leisure in the basement?

> > So Zelikow, the guy who wrote The 9/11 Commission Report, was an
> > expert in how to misuse public trust and create PUBLIC MYTHS.
> >http://www.ksg.harvard.edu/visions/publication/terrorism.htm

thus:
allow the "reconcilliators" to allow Waxman's Cap & Trade Phase Two
to pass, mandatorizing the large USA voluntary cap & trade, as
in the much-larger EU cap & trade, and you won't be
able to afford to build a rickety PV-field.

thus:
the ratio of He3/He4, coming out of the midocean ridges & vents,
has been said to be similar to that in the solar wind.
glad to see, Tom Gold's theory was also made by Mendeleev, but
that doesn't mean that it's correct. there was also a statement,
"measured geological age of the new oil was quantifiably different
than the oil pumped in the '70s" and, also,
"oil extracted from varying depths from the same oil field
have the same chemistry – oil chemistry does not vary as fossils vary
with increasing depth;" so,
what is the method to date it?

> >>> 1- Solar power is only marginally useful and that
> >>> only in Space!

thus:

so, is the "phonon" just one cycle of the period of the sound,

and like-wise, is the photon just one cycle of the frequency (sik) ??

--Light: A History!

Tom Potter

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Mar 15, 2010, 5:31:44 AM3/15/10

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"glird" <gl...@aol.com> wrote in message
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>On Mar 11, 10:12 pm, "Tom Potter" <xprivatn...@mailinator.com> wrote:
>>
>> A mind is a terrible thing to waste.
>
> Since you know that, why are you wasting your little bitty one?

It is sad that people who have wasted their time, money, and minds
on General Relativity are victims of "cognitive dissonance".

I suggest that they should try to deal with their problem,
and not take out their frustrations
on third parties that try to deprogram them.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_dissonance

A mind is a terrible thing to waste,

and as can be seen by the personal attack posts
by people that have wasted their minds on General Relativity,

a wasted mind is a terrible thing.

spudnik

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Mar 16, 2010, 2:45:34 PM3/16/10

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yeah, time to turn-off, tune-up & jack-out --
of this freaky googolplexified ghetto --
nice anagram on the slogan!

> a wasted mind is a terrible thing.

thus:
this reminds me of Rodriquez (the custodian) and his worldwide tour:
these are good accounts of what they heard & saw, and
also accounts of what they believed these sights & sounds,
must mean, regarding an event that had never occured, before
-- not, "a trashfire never destroyed a skyscraper, before
9/11/01!!!!!!!!"

> http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/oralhistories/explosions.html
> Reports of Sights and Sounds of Explosions in the Oral Histories
> The oral histories released on August 12, 2005 contain many
> recollections of the sights and sounds of explosions. The excerpts on
> this page describe perceptions of the South Tower collapse, except where

> James Drury -- Assistant Commissioner (F.D.N.Y.)
> We were in the process of getting some rigs moved when I turned, as I
> heard a tremendous roar, explosion, and saw that the first of the two
> towers was starting to come down....
> When the dust started to settle, I headed back down towards the World
> Trade Center and I guess I came close to arriving at the corner of Vesey
> and West again where we started to hear the second roar. That was the
> north tower now coming down. I should say that people in the street and
> myself included thought that the roar was so loud that the explosive -
> bombs were going off inside the building. Obviously we were ...

thus:
that was a good question, about L7 (not in the ecliptic .-)

most of "empty space" is the Copenhagenskoolish format
of "reifiying the math" of Pauli's matrices and Heisenberg's
principle, along with the absurdity of an absolute vacuum
-- even though Pascal uncovered it!

> > > Bullshit. fields are stresses in a solid medium occupying space
> > > according to steven weinberg

thus:
of course it is possible, if
the apparatus effects the fullerenes,
by somehow tuning into their "frequency"
(viz de Broglie). mostly, those pioneers were confuzed
about the mathmatical duality of Schroedinger's and
Pauli's mathematical approaches, including those, two; so,
just do a "two-column proof in projective geometry"
a la Pascal -- who discovered the perfect vacuum,
"the Plenum." now, your argue that your description
is the "most correct," but it is awfully hand-waviculey!

thus:
the speed of light varies (locally) with the index of refraction;
there is no absolute vacuum, nor "rocks o'light according
to Pentchoo" -- gezundheit!... all that you have to do,
is study "permitivity & permeability" of stuff,
including "free space."

thus:
that's what is known as "over a ton o'math," although
i like the philosophie de l'auteur ... if his topologie holds-up!
> http://books.google.com/books?id=lA8tgLMRu2kC&pg=PA278&lpg=PA279&vq=S...
>Sagnac interferometer

NoEinstein

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Mar 16, 2010, 5:53:49 PM3/16/10

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> observation that contradicts a prediction of general relativity.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Dear Sam: For the umpteenth time: Einstein took about a decade to
write an empirical formula for the orbit of the planet Mercury about
the Sun. Newton's supposed Law of Universal (sic) Gravitation had
made no allowance for the TANGENTIAL thrust on any non-circular-
orbiting planet caused by the spiraling (down) nature of the ether in
the Solar System. That THRUST isn't due to any distortion of space-
time! It increases according to the inverse square law, but must be
adjusted to match the vector of the thrust depending upon the distance
that Mercury is from the Sun at various orbiting positions. The
thrust is more tangential at greater distances from the Sun, but is
vertical at the Sun’s surface. All of the data was available from
very accurate astronomical observations of Mercury's position at
specific times in its orbit about the Sun. Any mathematician worth
his salt should have been able to write that same empirical formula—
that Einstein called his GR theory—in the weekends of any summer.

By shear luck, the natural forces at work on Mercury are the same
types that affect our orbiting satellites and GPS measurements.
Because Einstein had absolutely no idea what the mechanism of gravity
is, he just concocted that his (GD) formula was the... cause. Since
that formula had forces varying according to the inverse square law,
he imagined that objects are 'simply' traveling along their own unique
"world lines" in warped space-time (SIC!). Your comments relating to
anything about science should always have a "sic" after them, too! —
NoEinstein —

NoEinstein

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Mar 16, 2010, 6:35:21 PM3/16/10

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On Mar 12, 7:01 pm, clivevrob <clivevrobin...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
Dear cliverob: McGraw-Hill is a major publisher of science textbooks
and references. Such company is predominantly controlled by... Jews,
as are most of the Ivy League schools that, supposedly, set the norm
for education in this country. When any sect uses its own biases to
negatively impact the objectivity of our ENTIRE system of education in
this country, I am damn proper to come down hard of Jews! Be it
known: I don't "hate" Jews, nor anyone (except perhaps Barack Obama
for what he has done to destroy this country). But I don't condone
having any major publishers favor the crap of the likes of Albert
Einstein over science TRUTHS. Too many Jews feel that the world owes
having them be in control because of the (Crimes Against Humanity)
Holocaust.

Tom Potter is way more savvy than you. He has his own theories about
how the Universe functions. But his gut tells him that Einstein is
wrong. Potter is correct to wonder WHY someone who is so WRONG, like
Einstein, still manages to be acclaimed... a genius (sic!). McGraw-
Hill makes more and more money by continuing to make textbooks—full of
such crap—thicker and thicker. Our entire education system is about
75% DEADWOOD! As long as the American People are allowed to think
that young people need higher education in order to "understand"
Einstein, then, there is little hope that they can also understand
that our present government is 'broke' beyond repair. Apparently,
John A. Armistead of South Carolina is the only one who knows how to
fix the unfixable. — NoEinstein —

> white supremacists?- Hide quoted text -

clivevrob

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Mar 17, 2010, 6:52:48 PM3/17/10

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I'm not an American, by the way. Still, I suppose the International
Jewish/Communist conspiracy means that they control everything
everywhere. Next time I'm in the US I'll get myself a pointed white
hat and robe and come on down to Alabama or wherever and meet you
guys. Oh, and I'm not Jewish either, before you call me a nigger-
loving Jew-boy.

For a laugh I had a look at Tom Potter's "theories" - and yes, they
are amusing. Complete drivel of course. I think the reason Einstein is
acclaimed is because his theories were completely revolutionary and
the predictions they make have been tested experimentally hundreds of
times, always agreeing with observation. They are a cornerstone of
contemporary physics. Note that bit - PREDICTIONS - why doesn't one of
you screwballs show how your alternative "theories" can be used, for
example, to predict the anomalous perihelion precession of Mercury,
and what value you get?

I'm not holding my breath!

Tom Potter

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Mar 18, 2010, 6:54:37 AM3/18/10

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"clivevrob" <clivevr...@hotmail.com> wrote in message

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Note that rather than address the message
in a rational, intelligent, MORAL way,
that Clive Robinson tries to con folks into believing that
the messenger is a KKK member,
and is operating from the standpoint of a vast international conspiracy,
rather than from a rational, intelligent, individual standpoint.

Considering that I am married to an Asian,

taught in an all Black, Inner City, high school,

aggressively supported Obama for president,

and have come to the aid of Blacks, Asians, Latinos,
Muslims, and others when they were
attacked by people using the tactics used by Clive Robinson,

it is ironic that Clive Robinson would try to con
folks using this tactic and this boilerplate.

I suggest that if Clive Robinson were rational and moral
he would engage in debates and discussions of the issues
raised that are of great importance to society,
rather than try to smear individual messengers with lies,
and Jewish boilerplate.

Note that Clive Robinson tries to make the case
that there is an "International conspiracy"
against Jews, and that the conspiracy is driven by the KKK.

Think about this folks.

What kind of people try to tar folks with words like
"nutter", KKK, "kook", "fascist", "racist"
"white supremacist", "moron", etc.

so they can make people fear to speak their minds
for fear of being smeared with pre load boilerplate?

Do Japanese, Germans, Latinos, Chinese, Russians, Muslims,
Blacks, Frenchmen, Buddhists, Christians, etc. do this?

And think about how allowing greedy, immoral people
to get away with this tactic affects your life,
and will affect the lives of your children.

Moral folks do not use the tactic used by Clive Robinson.

This tactic is used by greedy, immoral people
who seek to inhibit, divide, silence and conquer
so they have free rein to say and do as they wish.

Let us hope that Clive Robinson is not on the taxpayer dole,
and is not in a position to poison the minds of children.

clivevrob

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Mar 18, 2010, 5:51:50 PM3/18/10

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> "clivevrob" <clivevrobin...@hotmail.com> wrote in message

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No, I'm a physicist actually. Why I bother with this place i don't
know, I originally thought it might be a forum for non-physicists who
wanted to know a bit more about the subject to ask questions of those
that do, but obviously not. A lot of you people seem to be more than
slightly unhinged to me. I should have remembered that some of you
guys don't do satire - note that I'm not trying to make any political
point beyond saying I don't like racists, and referring to Einstein,
McGraw Hill or whomsoever, in the terms you have, as Jews or part of
some Jewish conspiracy to poison the minds of American youth, although
clearly offensive, is obviously so ludicrous that it scarcely merits
comment. I should note, however, that it is reminiscent of the
position taken by the Nazi party in Germany in the 1930's. I must say
I pity anyone of tender years who is exposed to the likes of you or
"NoEinstein". If some of you have issues with Jewish people based on
medieval racial stereotypes I just wish you'd keep your disgusting,
perverted opinions to yourselves, that's all, and maybe try and learn
some physics - I guess that's too much to ask

Raymond Yohros

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Mar 18, 2010, 7:25:16 PM3/18/10

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On Mar 13, 7:27 am, Sam Wormley <sworml...@gmail.com> wrote:
> You keep going on about a "fudge factor"
>

who invented that?, sounds like icecream stuff!

>
> that the cosmological constant is a good model for dark energy in
> the general relativity equations.
>

einstein didnt know the account we have today
by observation of the effects of dark matr or cold dark matr.
was the cc an intuition that came to him
from trying to make his universe stand still?

r.y

Tom Potter

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Mar 18, 2010, 8:02:27 PM3/18/10

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"clivevrob" <clivevr...@hotmail.com> wrote in message

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>No, I'm a physicist actually. Why I bother with this place i don't
>know, I originally thought it might be a forum for non-physicists who
>wanted to know a bit more about the subject to ask questions of those
>that do, but obviously not. A lot of you people seem to be more than
>slightly unhinged to me. I should have remembered that some of you
>guys don't do satire - note that I'm not trying to make any political
>point beyond saying I don't like racists, and referring to Einstein,
>McGraw Hill or whomsoever, in the terms you have, as Jews or part of
>some Jewish conspiracy to poison the minds of American youth, although
>clearly offensive, is obviously so ludicrous that it scarcely merits
>comment. I should note, however, that it is reminiscent of the
>position taken by the Nazi party in Germany in the 1930's. I must say
>I pity anyone of tender years who is exposed to the likes of you or
>"NoEinstein". If some of you have issues with Jewish people based on
>medieval racial stereotypes I just wish you'd keep your disgusting,
>perverted opinions to yourselves, that's all, and maybe try and learn
>some physics - I guess that's too much to ask

I was very pleased to hear that Clive Robinson
is not in a position to poison the minds of children,

and I am IMPRESSED to hear that Clive Robinson is
a real, live PHYSICIST, who is here to
dictate to "non-physicists" what real physics is all about.

I was also very happy to see that Clive Robinson
"doesn't like racists",

considering that I am married to an Asian,
taught in an all-Black Inner-City High School,
aggressively supported Obama for President,
and have a long history of defending Blacks, Asians,
Latinos, Muslims, Palestinians, Iraqi's and others against the
personal attacks of bigots and racists who call them
names like racists, Nazis, Brown Shirts, stupid, "unhinged",
KKK members, Red Necks, "kooks", "morons", rag heads, etc.

and try to smear messengers with statements that the messengers
have "disgusting, perverted opinions", and their thinking
is based on "medieval racial stereotypes", etc.

I must admit, that I was disappointed to see
a real, live PHYSICIST like Clive Robinson
assert that criticism of General Relativity
implies that a vast anti-"Jewish conspiracy",

as I hoped that a real, live PHYSICIST
would be able to use their superior knowledge
to make their case, and would not have to
rely on credentials, smears, lies, and logical fallacies.

Considering that Clive Robinson
is a real, live PHYSICIST, who is here to
help "non-physicists" learn about physics.

I will be looking forward to seeing him engage in
rational, intelligent, civilized discussions and debates on physics issues.

I will also be looking forward to hearing what Clive Robinson
has to say about the race/religion biased racists
who are oppressing the Palestinians,
and are trying to get America and England into
a war with Iran, as they did with Iraq.

The bottom line is:
"Will the REAL racist, please stand up!"

spudnik

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don't forget the ones, who are trying to get us
to launch the 3rd British invasion of Sudan; well,
they seem to be mostly British.

> has to say about the race/religion biased racists
> who are oppressing the Palestinians,
> and are trying to get America and England into
> a war with Iran, as they did with Iraq.

thus:
the modeling is of very limited use;
nothing like this has ever occurred, if
you think that is different from "a trashfire in a skyscraper,"
or Trickier Dick Cheeny lighting his bed on fire, on purpose (or,
he just didn't have time, runnung down the stairs,
to phone the NYFD).

by "inelastic," do you refer to the fact that
almost none of the mass of the planes, left the area?

> Only very, very roughly, though. You ignored the energy lost to the
> system by virtue of the fact that the collisions were inelastic.

> > demolition. BTW a "controlled demolition" is impossible to
> > model, because it depends on where you put the explosives.

thus:
yes, but if we can take the elaborations & more correct formulations
of "energy is the mass times the second power of the rate of light,"
then where do "gravitons" come into it?... anyway,
no need to bring "photons" into it, what so ever.

> > > How do you know a gravity quanta and a light quanta are not the same?
> > Fundamental strength of interaction is orders of magnitude different,
> > experimentally.
> > The two kinds of quanta interact with different classes of matter --
> > there is some matter that interacts via gravity quanta but not with
> > light quanta, for example, and this is experimentally confirmed.
> > The angular momentum of light quanta is 1xPlanck's constant, and that
> > of the gravitational quanta is 2xPlanck's constant.
> > The detection methodology for light quanta and gravitational quanta is
> > fundamentally different, observationally.
> > Light quanta become unified with weak quanta at the 1 TeV scale, and
> > gravitational quanta do not, experimentally.

thus:
every student of relativity knows that
the the last 3/4 is much more difficult
than the first 3/4; perhaps,
because all of matter is "going" at lightspeed,
internally, already.
not only is there no vacuum,
there is therefore no need of an aether;
Pascal is dead -- long-live Pascal!
> <ttp://fourmilab.to/etexts/einstein/specrel/specrel.pdf>

thus:
simply reject the picture of "quantum" as a "photon," and
go with Young's original essay -- or what ever he called it --
about the noncorpuscularity of lightwaves.
second step, pretend that there is no aether;
what's left?

thus:
I don't have audio at this terminal;
what is the jist of this "economists's" theory?
LaRouche is an ecomist, two, and that doesn't mean
that he is correct about "controlled demo/
Cheeny scrounging in the basement."
> http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=18188

thus:
Young proved, a humdred years after Newton espoused
his "theory" of corpuscles, that light is simply waves
(in the air, if you will, viz permeability & permitivity);
among his proofs was the "two pin-hole experiment" --
2PHX? -- which gave a loveley moire' pattern
on the photographic (silver oxide?) emulsion. (his source
of light was another pinhole in the far wall,
admitting sunlight, quite coherently !-)

--Light: A History!
http://wlym.com

--Weber's electron, Moon's nucleus!
http://www.21stcenturysciencetech.com/

BURT

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> --Light: A History!http://wlym.com

>
> --Weber's electron, Moon's nucleus!http://www.21stcenturysciencetech.com/

Einstein was right about quantum mechanics. The world of science was
wrong about him.

Mitch Raemsch

Undisclosed Recipient

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Potter wrote:

>
> considering that I am married to an Asian,
> taught in an all-Black Inner-City High School,
> aggressively supported Obama for President,
> and have a long history of defending Blacks, Asians,
> Latinos, Muslims, Palestinians, Iraqi's and others against the
> personal attacks of bigots and racists who call them
> names like racists, Nazis, Brown Shirts, stupid, "unhinged",
> KKK members, Red Necks, "kooks", "morons", rag heads, etc.
>

Nice. I am not sure I have read or heard anyone referring to "Black"
as a Nazi, Brown Shirt, Red Neck or a KKK member. Idiot!

Sendme

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> > -----------------http://www.tompotter.ushttp://tdp1001.wiki.zoho.com/http://tdp1001.wo...

> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> No, I'm a physicist actually. Why I bother with this place i don't
> know, I originally thought it might be a forum for non-physicists who
> wanted to know a bit more about the subject to ask questions of those
> that do, but obviously not. A lot of you people seem to be more than
> slightly unhinged to me. I should have remembered that some of you
> guys don't do satire - note that I'm not trying to make any political
> point beyond saying I don't like racists, and referring to Einstein,
> McGraw Hill or whomsoever, in the terms you have, as Jews or part of
> some Jewish conspiracy to poison the minds of American youth, although
> clearly offensive, is obviously so ludicrous that it scarcely merits
> comment. I should note, however, that it is reminiscent of the
> position taken by the Nazi party in Germany in the 1930's. I must say
> I pity anyone of tender years who is exposed to the likes of you or
> "NoEinstein". If some of you have issues with Jewish people based on
> medieval racial stereotypes I just wish you'd keep your disgusting,
> perverted opinions to yourselves, that's all, and maybe try and learn
> some physics - I guess that's too much to ask

There is more about Potter that is nazi - like.
He compares Jews (all of them) to a cultural cancer.
He attributes to all Jews (all of them) a set of negative
characteristics which are a result of their being Jewish.
He attributes the decline in America's life expectancy to the increase
in the number of Jewish doctors (although he can provide no
statistical evidence).
He refers to other posters' religion (Jewish - in his opinion) in
order to accuse them of being part of a Jewish conspiracy (against
him).
He quotes Hitler and refers to the Germans' superior intelligence,
morality and productivity (without a shred of evidence).
He asks posters to publish addresses and names of family-members in
order that their religious background can be investigated.
He adopts a hsitorically unsupportable position regarding the
holocaust and kristallnacht.

He is a nazi.

Tom Potter

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"Sendme" <sendmesome...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>news:fbf9ee8d-dd12-4c44...@l25g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...

Although I am flattered to see that my pal Justin Lewis
thinks that I am such a powerful center of influence
that he is compelled to editorialize about me,
rather than discuss and debate issues
that greatly affect the lives of most folks,

I am sadden to see that his editorializing
is on the order of what one got from the Mass Media
when they got America to wage war on the Iraqi people.

I wonder if my pal Justin Lewis
is taking his medicine as the doctor ordered?

Regarding Justin's efforts to smear the German people,
I suggest that he take a look at the following URL
which points out that although the billions of dollars
have been stolen from the German people
phony Holocaust claims are still being made.

Considering that the German People
have been supporting Israel for decades,
it is amazing that they have been the leading exporter
in the world for many years.

Can you imagine how rich the German people would be
if they could get the leeches off their bodies?

http://www.thejewishweek.com/viewArticle/c37_a17895/News/National.html

Kunt100

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On 19 mrt, 14:05, "Tom Potter" <xprivatn...@mailinator.com> wrote:
> "Sendme" <sendmesomemorespa...@gmail.com> wrote in message

> -----------------http://www.tompotter.ushttp://tdp1001.wiki.zoho.com/http://tdp1001.wordpress.com/http://tdp1001.spaces.live.comhttp://webspace.webring.com/people/st/tdp1001http://notsocrazyideas.blogspot.com
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------

I repeat your postings:

"He compares Jews (all of them) to a cultural cancer.
He attributes to all Jews (all of them) a set of negative
characteristics which are a result of their being Jewish.
He attributes the decline in America's life expectancy to the increase
in the number of Jewish doctors (although he can provide no
statistical evidence).
He refers to other posters' religion (Jewish - in his opinion) in
order to accuse them of being part of a Jewish conspiracy (against
him).
He quotes Hitler and refers to the Germans' superior intelligence,
morality and productivity (without a shred of evidence).
He asks posters to publish addresses and names of family-members in
order that their religious background can be investigated.
He adopts a hsitorically unsupportable position regarding the
holocaust and kristallnacht. "

When are you going to substantiate them? They are all unsubstantiated
lies. You have just added another lie: that I am smearing the Germans.
You are, however, a great embarassment to all right thinking Germans.

For the record Germany is placed 17th in the world in GDP per capita
and behind GB, USA and the Netherlands when looking at output per
worker.

Another lie from Potter. By the way Potter, the word "smear" in the
context of your posting is "a slanderous attack". Given that the data
I produce about Germans is true and verifiable (The Economist, BBC,
and the CIA factbook), my posting about them cannot be slanderous.
Both defamation and slander require that the statements (written or
spoken) are false.
You are not only deeply bigotted but amusingly ignorant and naive.

Any progress on substantiating that correlation between the number of
Jewish doctors in the US and its decreasing life expectancy? No? Just
admit it was a lie - you'll feel better. Nearly 80 years old and
producing that shit, ha ha.

hanson

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AHAHAHAHAHA... ahahahaha... AHAHAHAHA...
>
Live Clive "clivevrob" <clivevr...@hotmail.com>
got Livid in his <http://tinyurl.com/yfvyezr> when he wrote

>
Livid Clive, live, wrote:
I'm a physicist actually. Why I bother with this place i don't know,
I originally thought it might be a forum for non-physicists who
wanted to know a bit more about the subject to ask questions
of those that do, but obviously not.
>

hanson wrote:
...that's what each and every newbie says when he enters this
advanced and august chamber & forum of avantguard physics
where traditional physics is thrown onto the future dust heap
of history.... .... ahahaha... AAHAHAHA....

>
Livid Clive, live, wrote:
A lot of you people seem to be more than slightly unhinged to me.
>

hanson wrote:
.. right, you must be referring to the exactly 49.879% of loud
and religiously fanatical posters aka Einstein Dingleberries
who pontificate while dangling from the anal hair of Albert's
sphincter & are basking in the warm breeze of Einstein's farts...
ahahaha..

>
Livid Clive, live, wrote:
I should have remembered that some of you guys don't do
satire - note that I'm not trying to make any political point

beyond saying,...[and you should have continued saying],
>
hanson wrote:
... that I, Live Clive, am and will continue to make one
political point beyond the other in the rest of my post:....

>
....like here where Livid Clive, live, wrote:
I don't like racists, and referring to Einstein, McGraw Hill or
whomsoever, in the terms you have, as Jews or part of
some Jewish conspiracy to poison the minds of American
youth, although clearly offensive, is obviously so ludicrous
that it scarcely merits comment.
>

hanson wrote:
... ahahahaha...then how come that you make such lengthy
comments in your own diatribe here?.... If you were not
afflicted with/by your own severe kikeophile infection, then
you would not stand in judgment of people who do nothing
more then to express their opinion... just like you do so lividly,
Clive, you miserable bigot... ahahahaha....

>
Livid Clive, live, wrote:
I should note, however, that it is reminiscent of the position
taken by the Nazi party in Germany in the 1930's. I must say
>

hanson wrote:
.... AHAHAHAHA... So according to you then neither you
nor your kikeophile cronies nor the Jews at large have
learned anything during the last 70 years, haven't they...
Of course it's obvious:
The successors/progeny of the Nazis have been at peace
with the whole world for the last 60 years... The progeny-
successors of the Jews are still at war after 60 years...
The Jews in their promised land are an economic basket
case... while Nazi successors in DE are an economic world
power... It must be this fact that really cranks you, since it
interferes grievously with your kikeophile weltbild, Clive,
doen;t it... ahahaha.... AHAHAHA...

>
Livid Clive, live, wrote:
I must say I pity anyone of tender years who is exposed to the

likes of Potter or "NoEinstein" aka John Armistead of NC.
>
hanson wrote:
hoh de dooh, hoh de dooh, Clive, you are getting besides
yourself now. "NoEinstein" is cool and funny especially
to "anyone of tender years".. which you have outgrown
a life-time ago. Clive, it is the "Einstein Dingleberries"
that you should have pity with... ahahaha... But if you can't
see that then show proof by giving me a bonafide, real life

===== *** Einsteinian Time Travel*** performance ===

Then Clive, when you come back, invigorated as a tender
youth, then those of us who will still be around will then see
the glory of Einstein & will call him no longer, like KW says,

==** "Einstein the nitwit, the plagiarist, and the liar" *==
and we will also begin to revere Einstein's Dingleberries.
>
Clive, let me rephrase poster "NoEinstein/Armistead's" take
that " no worthwhile contributions were made by Albert". For
Einstein, whom you worship so religiously, one can make a
very compelling case, by noting that:
>
|||| == Einstein & his contributions to physics is/are what ||||
|||| == Picasso's contributions are to the world of fine art. |||
>
Obviously, neither one of these to dudes do come close to
the masters of the classical period. The only reason that
these two Jews are kept in the limelight, is because of the
constant propaganda by Jews who are selling some pipe-
dream to mooches and goyim kikeophiles, like yourself.

But Clive, you have been had & brain washed and you no
longer see that neither one of these Jews, Einstein nor
Picasso has given the world anything of REAL value.
Ergo: "NoEinstein/Armistead" see the world with clearer
eyes then you do... ahahaha.. Do you get it, git, git it?

>
Livid Clive, live, wrote:
If some of you have issues with Jewish people based on

medieval racial stereotypes I just wish you'd keep your ,
disgusting perverted opinions to yourselves, that's all,
>
hanson wrote:
... ahahaha, well, then maybe you should lead by example
and keep your kikeophile loud-mouthing to yourself...
But on close, 2nd thought let it all hang out, lividly, Clive ,
just like you are doing right now.. because your drivel will
fit perfectly into the free-wheeling spirit of this NG that
provides me with so much fun and laughs.... AHAHAHA...

>
Livid Clive, live, wrote:
and maybe try and learn some physics -
>

hanso wrote:
Why, Clive, why? ... Who asked and commissioned you to
come and preach here?... Your livid grief and aguish is self-
inflicted... and ... you behave now like a retired highschool
teacher who can't stand the fact that he no longer cant' boss
his pupils around. ... ahahahaha..... But rejoice, Clive, we
have a whole slew of such poor sods like you around here.
So, stick around, Clive. You are in fine company here.
>
Livid Clive, live, wrote:
learn some physics -- I guess that's too much to ask
>
hanson wrote:
Yes, it is... You just don't know that yet, Clive,... ahahaha
Listen Live Clive, hang & stick around and enjoy the show.
>
Caveat: Clive make sure to take your own blood pressure
before you log on and post. Do it only when your BP does
exceed 240/160. I want you to be always REALLY LIVID
when you show up here... else you would be no fun at all.
>
Carry on and thanks for the laughs, Clive... hahahahanson