Mimicing Heart Problems?
Kumar
Will you please tell me about other conditions and reasons, which can
express or mimic heart problem in an otherwise healthy person? I thing
gas and heart-burn are relevant to this aspect.
Best wishes.
Po...@nospam.invalid
>Will you please tell me about other conditions and reasons, which can
>express or mimic heart problem in an otherwise healthy person?
For three years, my doctors told me that my chest pain was muscular or
skeletal even though I was describing classic symptoms. My stress test
as well as all other tests and risk factors put me at the absolute
bottom of the risk scale. They were wrong in my case. But apparently
sore muscles or bones (joints) can produce symptoms similar to heart
problems.
Port
Kumar
How muscles and bone become sore and causing pain?
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> friend Port (P...@nospam.invalid) wrote:
By the inflammation caused by the pro-inflammatory cytokines released
by the bad "inside" fat (visceral adipose tissue or VAT) that one
automatically gets when one overeats (stomach stretched killing the
hunger).
One knows one has VAT when ones WHR (waist to hip ratio) is greater
than 0.85 (males) or greater than 0.75 (females).
It is only when we are at our hungriest (stomachs laughing and
singing) that our bodies get rid of the VAT.
Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be blessed:
http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/PressRelease
Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,
Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Cardiologist
Kumar
>
> - Show quoted text -
Do they also become sore by lactic acid or by acidosis?
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > convicted friend Kumar wrote:
> > > friend Port (P...@nospam.invalid) wrote:
> > > > convicted friend Kumar wrote:
> >
> > > > >Will you please tell me about other conditions and reasons, which can
> > > > >express or mimic heart problem in an otherwise healthy person?
> >
> > > > For three years, my doctors told me that my chest pain was muscular or
> > > > skeletal even though I was describing classic symptoms. My stress test
> > > > as well as all other tests and risk factors put me at the absolute
> > > > bottom of the risk scale. They were wrong in my case. But apparently
> > > > sore muscles or bones (joints) can produce symptoms similar to heart
> > > > problems.
> >
> > > > Port
> >
> > > How muscles and bone become sore and causing pain?
> >
> > By the inflammation caused by the pro-inflammatory cytokines released
> > by the bad "inside" fat (visceral adipose tissue or VAT) that one
> > automatically gets when one overeats (stomach stretched killing the
> > hunger).
> >
> > One knows one has VAT when ones WHR (waist to hip ratio) is greater
> > than 0.85 (males) or greater than 0.75 (females).
> >
> > It is only when we are at our hungriest (stomachs laughing and
> > singing) that our bodies get rid of the VAT.
> >
> > Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be blessed:
> >
> > http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/PressRelease
>
Not in the manner mimicking heart problems.
May GOD bless you in HIS mighty way making you healthier (hungrier)
than ever:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/PressRelease
Kumar
> May GOD bless you in HIS mighty way making you healthier (hungrier)
> than ever:
>
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/PressRelease
>
> Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,
>
> Andrew <><
> --
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Michael F. Poellot
wrote:
>What other conditions can mimic similar to heart problem?
Panic disorders, pulmonary embolus, gastroesophageal reflux disease
(GERD), esophageal spasm, esophagitis, for example, can cause chest
discomfort, and in some cases, mimic angina symptoms.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
For a type-2 diabetic, it remains wise to address VAT as the proximate
reason for most if not all other medical problems.
Po...@nospam.invalid
>How muscles and bone become sore and causing pain?
I'm not sure exactly what the docs were thinking. Maybe previously
broken bones acting up. Maybe a pulled muscle that wouldn't heal. I
was a jogger at the time with a tendancy to trip/fall now and then. I
just accepted their diagnosis for awhile and was relieved it wasn't
heart related. I don't recommend that anyone to do that now though.
Port
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Sad to read about your being misdiagnosed in the past.
Hopefully your WHR is on its way down to below 0.85 as you lose all
your VAT so that you will not have progression of your heart disease.
Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be blessed:
http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/PressRelease
Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,
Kumar
wrote:
> On Fri, 24 Aug 2007 04:38:22 -0700, Kumar <lordshiva5...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >What other conditions can mimic similar to heart problem?
>
> Panic disorders, pulmonary embolus, gastroesophageal reflux disease
> (GERD), esophageal spasm, esophagitis, for example, can cause chest
> discomfort, and in some cases, mimic angina symptoms.
Thanks. Can arthritis in left hand joints, left soulder, frozen
shoulder, hyper/hypo-volemia also mimic heart type problem?
Kumar
beats and blood flow changes?
> May GOD bless you in HIS mighty way making you healthier (hungrier)
> than ever:
>
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/PressRelease
>
> Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,
>
> Andrew <><
> --
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Kumar
Anyway, it is good that you don't have heart problem.
Kumar
> wrote:
>
> >What other conditions can mimic similar to heart problem?
>
> Panic disorders, pulmonary embolus, gastroesophageal reflux disease
> (GERD), esophageal spasm, esophagitis, for example, can cause chest
> discomfort, and in some cases, mimic angina symptoms.
To add to my previous reply to your post;
Whether unclear motions, constipation, arthritis in left hand and
shoulder, in general those conditions which need heart and blood flow
manipulations can show heart problem type symptoms?
Po...@nospam.invalid
>> >How muscles and bone become sore and causing pain?
Port wrote:
>> was a jogger at the time with a tendancy to trip/fall now and then. I
>> just accepted their diagnosis for awhile and was relieved it wasn't
>> heart related.
Kumar wrote:
>Anyway, it is good that you don't have heart problem.
Sorry, I was unclear.
I accepted their diagnosis of "chest pain due to muscular or skeletal
problems" for three years, but they were wrong. I had Coronary Artery
Disease all along. So in my case, the heart disease was mimicking
"muscular or skeletal problems".
Port
Kumar
Sorry to learn that. Can anyone tell about this condition?
Po...@nospam.invalid
> in my case, the heart disease was mimicking
>> "muscular or skeletal problems".
Kumar wrote:
>Sorry to learn that. Can anyone tell about this condition?
Not me. At least no more than what I've already stated.
Another possibility, I'm not sure my doc believed what I was telling
him when I was describing the pain. Since I had no risk factors and a
negative stress test (did the full 15 minutes on the treadmill, no
prob), and had never experienced heart problems, he may have thought I
just didn't know how to describe muscle pain or skeletal pain. I
really don't know for sure. But he knows for sure that I know heart
pain when I describe it now.
Port
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Folks don't need the medical problems (high blood pressure, high LDL,
low HDL, IR/MetS, type-2 diabetes, osteoarthritis, heart attacks,
strokes, and kidney failure) that comes from VAT.
Kumar
Ok thanks.
Kumar
exposure resuting pain?
> May GOD bless you in HIS mighty way making you healthier (hungrier)
> than ever:
>
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/PressRelease
>
> Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,
>
> Andrew <><
> --
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Inflammation causes pain and tenderness on its own without lactic acid
generation.
Peter Larsen
you are fond of using some email-address on the general format of
heart...@emorycardiology.com,
and for some reason also of using multiple identities via a variation of
the numericals XX, it may be because you seem to have an issue with spam
filters or it may be to make it look more like the real thing, ie. a
real affiliation to Emory University.
You do seem to intentionally convey the impreesion that you are employed
by Emory's Department of Medicine and speaking on their behalf.
Interestingly they also use the addressformat nameXX.domainname.root. I
don't know whether they want to be associated with your tribal medicine
man approach to reality.
See also http://medicine.emory.edu/cardio/admin_staff.cfm, easy to find
via a web search for Emory Cardiology ....
Kind regards
Peter Larsen
Jeff
There sure are a lot of adjunct faculty. Considering that Chung did a
lot of work there, including his PhD and his fellowship, you would think
that they would want him to be a adjunct faculty and have medical
students rotate through his busy practice as they do their cardiology
and medicine rotations. It's a sad statement that they don't.
Well, at least Chung can make one more service to Emory ... If he checks
off the "anatomic" donation on his license application.
Jeff
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> convicted neighbor Peter Larsen wrote:
> > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >
>
> > Hi Andrew,
> >
> > you are fond of using some email-address on the general format of
> > heart...@emorycardiology.com,
It remains my choice to receive the guidance of the Holy Spirit in
everything I say, do, and write.
> > and for some reason also of using multiple identities via a variation of
> > the numericals XX,
It remains my choice to not use pseudonyms.
> > it may be because you seem to have an issue with spam
> > filters or it may be to make it look more like the real thing, ie. a
> > real affiliation to Emory University.
The domain is real:
> > You do seem to intentionally convey the impreesion that you are employed
> > by Emory's Department of Medicine and speaking on their behalf.
Not for those with discerning hearts.
> > Interestingly they also use the addressformat nameXX.domainname.root. I
> > don't know whether they want to be associated with your tribal medicine
> > man approach to reality.
Eating less down to the optimal amount (32 ounces) is hardly tribal
medicine.
> > See also http://medicine.emory.edu/cardio/admin_staff.cfm, easy to find
> > via a web search for Emory Cardiology ....
> >
> > Kind regards
> >
> > Peter Larsen
Clearly the Holy Spirit is absolutely right to convict you, dear
neighbor Peter:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts
> There sure are a lot of adjunct faculty. Considering that Chung did a
> lot of work there, including his PhD and his fellowship, you would think
> that they would want him to be a adjunct faculty and have medical
> students rotate through his busy practice as they do their cardiology
> and medicine rotations.
In truth, have not pursued an adjunct faculty position with Emory
University.
They have known for a long time that the 2PD-OMER Approach is the good
work that GOD has prepared in advance for me to do.
Then again, you have known this for a long time too :-)
> It's a sad statement that they don't.
Being in the middle of GOD's perfect will curing obesity is not sad.
> Well, at least Chung can make one more service to Emory ... If he checks
> off the "anatomic" donation on his license application.
Without the LORD, your fantasies are meaningless (Ecclesiastes).
Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be blessed:
http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/PressRelease
Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,
Kumar
> May GOD bless you in HIS mighty way making you healthier (hungrier)
> than ever:
>
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/PressRelease
>
> Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,
>
> Andrew <><
> --
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
>
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'Oxidation May Be New Blood Pressure Regulator
Scientists at King's College London have found a pathway which
involves oxidation. You can read about this in the journal Science.
Oxidation is a term we usually associate with free radicals and
oxidants, which are harmful and cause cell damage. However, oxidation
is central to normal cell function, say the scientists.
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/80602.php"
If inflammation caused by VAT, mediate above condition?
PKG (protein kinase G) plays a crucial part in regulating our blood
pressure
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Tissue damage with irritation of sensory nerve fiber endings.
> 'Oxidation May Be New Blood Pressure Regulator
> Scientists at King's College London have found a pathway which
> involves oxidation. You can read about this in the journal Science.
>
> Oxidation is a term we usually associate with free radicals and
> oxidants, which are harmful and cause cell damage. However, oxidation
> is central to normal cell function, say the scientists.
> http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/80602.php"
>
> If inflammation caused by VAT, mediate above condition?
No.
Inflammation from VAT is completely pathological.
Truly, it is only when we are hungry (stomachs laughing and singing)
that our bodies get rid of the VAT that is hurting us.
Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be blessed:
http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/PressRelease
Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,
Kumar
<heartdo...@emorycardiology.com> wrote:
> convicted friend Kumar wrote:
> > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > > > low HDL, IR/MetS, type-2 diabetes, osteoarthritis, heart attacks,
> > > > > strokes, and kidney failure) that comes from VAT.
>
> > > > Whether any inflammatory response also cause lactic acid creation and
> > > > exposure resuting pain?
>
> > > Inflammation causes pain and tenderness on its own without lactic acid
> > > generation.
>
> > How?
>
> Tissue damage with irritation of sensory nerve fiber endings.
conditions can be sensation to nerves?
> > 'Oxidation May Be New Blood Pressure Regulator
> > Scientists at King's College London have found a pathway which
> > involves oxidation. You can read about this in the journal Science.
>
> > Oxidation is a term we usually associate with free radicals and
> > oxidants, which are harmful and cause cell damage. However, oxidation
> > is central to normal cell function, say the scientists.
> >http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/80602.php"
>
> > If inflammation caused by VAT, mediate above condition?
>
> No.
>
> Inflammation from VAT is completely pathological.
>
> Truly, it is only when we are hungry (stomachs laughing and singing)
> that our bodies get rid of the VAT that is hurting us.
>
> Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be blessed:
>
> http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/PressRelease
>
> Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,
>
> Andrew <><
> --
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > convicted friend Kumar wrote:
> > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > >snip> > > > > Folks don't need the medical problems (high blood pressure, high LDL,
> > > > > > low HDL, IR/MetS, type-2 diabetes, osteoarthritis, heart attacks,
> > > > > > strokes, and kidney failure) that comes from VAT.
> >
> > > > > Whether any inflammatory response also cause lactic acid creation and
> > > > > exposure resuting pain?
> >
> > > > Inflammation causes pain and tenderness on its own without lactic acid
> > > > generation.
> >
> > > How?
> >
> > Tissue damage with irritation of sensory nerve fiber endings.
>
> Can't Lactic acid can be intermidate to it?
It is not.
> Pressure, heat and acidic
> conditions can be sensation to nerves?
Inflammation.
Kumar
<heartdo...@emorycardiology.com> wrote:
> conivcted friend Kumar wrote:
> > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > convicted friend Kumar wrote:
> > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > >snip> > > > > Folks don't need the medical problems (high blood pressure, high LDL,
> > > > > > > low HDL, IR/MetS, type-2 diabetes, osteoarthritis, heart attacks,
> > > > > > > strokes, and kidney failure) that comes from VAT.
>
> > > > > > Whether any inflammatory response also cause lactic acid creation and
> > > > > > exposure resuting pain?
>
> > > > > Inflammation causes pain and tenderness on its own without lactic acid
> > > > > generation.
>
> > > > How?
>
> > > Tissue damage with irritation of sensory nerve fiber endings.
>
> > Can't Lactic acid can be intermidate to it?
>
> It is not.
>
> > Pressure, heat and acidic
>
> Inflammation.
Nociceptors can detect mechanical, thermal, and chemical stimuli.
Which stumuli out of these belongs to pain due to inflammation?
>
>
>
>
> > > > 'Oxidation May Be New Blood Pressure Regulator
> > > > Scientists at King's College London have found a pathway which
> > > > involves oxidation. You can read about this in the journal Science.
>
> > > > Oxidation is a term we usually associate with free radicals and
> > > > oxidants, which are harmful and cause cell damage. However, oxidation
> > > > is central to normal cell function, say the scientists.
> > > >http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/80602.php"
>
> > > > If inflammation caused by VAT, mediate above condition?
>
> > > No.
>
> > > Inflammation from VAT is completely pathological.
>
> > > Truly, it is only when we are hungry (stomachs laughing and singing)
> > > that our bodies get rid of the VAT that is hurting us.
>
> > > Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be blessed:
>
> > >http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/PressRelease
>
> Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,
>
> Andrew <><
> --
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
>
Michael F. Poellot
wrote:
>On Aug 24, 5:25 pm, Michael F. Poellot <michael.poel...@arcor.de>
This sounds very unlikely to me.
Kumar
wrote:
> On Fri, 24 Aug 2007 20:04:22 -0700, Kumar <lordshiva5...@gmail.com>
>
> - Show quoted text -
Do all above conditions are dependant of one type of vascular tone and
transcapallity movements--vaso contriction or dilation? I think, heart
beats/load are changed due to above conditions?
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > conivcted friend Kumar wrote:
> > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > > convicted friend Kumar wrote:
> > > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > > >snip> > > > > Folks don't need the medical problems (high blood pressure, high LDL,
> > > > > > > > low HDL, IR/MetS, type-2 diabetes, osteoarthritis, heart attacks,
> > > > > > > > strokes, and kidney failure) that comes from VAT.
> >
> > > > > > > Whether any inflammatory response also cause lactic acid creation and
> > > > > > > exposure resuting pain?
> >
> > > > > > Inflammation causes pain and tenderness on its own without lactic acid
> > > > > > generation.
> >
> > > > > How?
> >
> > > > Tissue damage with irritation of sensory nerve fiber endings.
> >
> > > Can't Lactic acid can be intermidate to it?
> >
> > It is not.
> >
> > > Pressure, heat and acidic
> > > conditions be sensation to nerves?
> >
> > Inflammation.
> Nociceptors can detect mechanical, thermal, and chemical stimuli.
> Which stumuli out of these belongs to pain due to inflammation?
All three because inflammation is the nonspecific effect of damage
occurring at the cellular level.
2fittne...@gmail.com
>
> - Show quoted text -
I've read through a few of your responses to diet in general, if you
are a doctor, then you know that VAT is at least a little important as
it provides protection not only from temperature extremes, but also
the age old famine. Is it not also the dramatice loss of VAT which
leads a doctor to decifer potentially life threatening metabolic
disorders. It seems to me that you should be a little concerned that
your message of healthy as being hungry and hungrier as being blessed,
is bordering on "Long Live Ed" and "Ed is my friend"...in other words
I hope, for the sake of your medical lisence (if you really have
one)that you are not condoning behavoirs and a mind set which bring
people closer to Anorexia--because if you are then you are also
encouraging people into another extreme of body weight which also
negatvely affects the heart.
Kumar
1. Lactic Acid-increases Bradykinin, the most potent chemical mediator
of inflammation..
A Diet-Induced Pro-InflammatoryState (Excessive amounts of meat, sugar
and refined carbohydrate intake along with deficient quantities of
cold water fish, vegetables and fruits):
1. Increased tissue acidity- activates bradykinin a potent nociceptor
(pain) irritant
2. Inadequate potassium intake- causes alkalosis, ischemia and hypoxia
(reduced blood and oxygen supply)
3. Inadequate magnesium intake- causes increased lactic acid, platelet
aggregation and free radicals
http://www.eimed.com/nutrition.htm "
I think above is a good article on pain and inflammation. Lactic acid
is involved as per this article.
> Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be blessed:
>
> http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/PressRelease
>
> Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,
>
> Andrew <><
> --
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
In reality, lactic acid is not involved in the pain and tenderness
arising from inflammation.
Kumar
Whether O2 defficiencies occur due to inflammatory responses?
> Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be blessed:
>
> http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/PressRelease
>
> Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,
>
> Andrew <><
> --
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Destruction/damage occurs from inflammation.
VAT is bad.
Hunger is wonderful.
Truly, it is only when we are hungry that our bodies get rid of the
VAT.
Kumar
> Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be blessed:
>
> http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/PressRelease
>
> Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,
>
> Andrew <><
> --
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> >
> > http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/PressRelease
>
You are welcome, Kumar :-)
Redirecting all thanks and praises to GOD so that we will both be that
much more blessed (hungrier :-).