Happily those of us who ask for help usually get medical advice
along with Dr. Chung's homily... I can't say the same for the
tens of thousand of posts by people who hog sci/med/cardiology
talking only about the homily
:-(
and occasionally one gets a double load of bullshit from Chung.
apart from his bullshit, Chung never fails to answer medical questions.
That's preferable than the quadruple load of bull that erupts from the
numerous commentators he grabs by the balls.
You guys should see yourselves.. chung's sock puppets.
Chung is the one that both poisons legitimate threads with his nonsense
and crossposts irrelevant threads from genuine religious newsgroups
without the permission of the OP. All we do is rebut his nonsense when
it has been crossposted to non-religious newsgroups as a deliberate
provocation and in violation of their charter.
As to his 'advice', It is invariably amazingly glib for somebody
claiming to be a qualified and practising cardiolgist. It amounts in
most cases to faintly informed common sense of the sort one's GP might
deliver if they were on a very tight time slot. Take it from somebody
who has a large amount of experience in the field of clinical
governance.
Ask yourself why a qualified cardiologist is dishing out ad-hoc and
generalised advice on the internet. The best advice to take from him,
which he does often give, is to consult one's own doctor. If only he
repeated that as catechistically as he does his parroted excuses for
being nasty.
Yeah, I wondered about that. Usually you wouldn't get anyone in any professionaly related field posting info
and advice in newsgroups, let alone medical. I thought he would have asked them to contact him, or to seek
urgent advice from their own doctor/specialist.
why are you guys so neurotic ?
Face up to it : you got a thing about
Chung that borders on insanity
In general, Chung measures his comments extremely carefully,
limiting himself to dishing out information rather than advice,
except for his advice about god, that is ;)
Check his posts, how often does he end his comments with
the one piece of medical advice which he allows himself :
"go see your doctor about this" ?
What you have been witnessing is the effect that powerful blessings
from GOD have on the unrepentent who refuse to turn to GOD to receive
HIS blessings properly. Ultimately, these blessings will slay such
unrepentent folks.
Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
Andrew
http://tinyurl.com/jjl29
Thanks for the conclusive proof, if proof be needed, Mr Chung, that
Christianity, at least your brand of it, is a death cult. I graciously
accept your concession of defeat in this whole debate. Count yourself
lucky I don't take these things more personally.
And exactly why are you making it YOUR business, Monsieur Troll?
What you're witnessing is payback for some three years of unrepentant
abuse of Usenet by this increasingly psychotic failed doctor. Witness
the wording of his divine threat and anticipate the denial of personal
responsibility for it that will swiftly follow.
>
> What you're witnessing is payback for some three years of unrepentant
> abuse of Usenet by this increasingly psychotic failed doctor. Witness
> the wording of his divine threat and anticipate the denial of personal
> responsibility for it that will swiftly follow.
>
Newsgroups are full of geeks and their pet hates.
>>
>>why are you guys so neurotic ?
>>
>>Face up to it : you got a thing about
>>Chung that borders on insanity
>
>
> And exactly why are you making it YOUR business, Monsieur Troll?
>
What's a cure for a neurosis ?
"SkumTaht" <bill...@cornertwat.net.ee> wrote in
message
news:Xns97C9D7215...@81.174.50.80...
> What you have been witnessing is the effect that constant trolling from
> a complete lunatic have on the normal people who refuse to act as if
> Chung is some kind of messiah.
--
Mark K. Bilbo
--------------------------------------------------
"As hip as it is for outsiders to blame New Orleans
for everything bad that happened during and after
Hurricane Katrina, the truth is that the people
who lived here were much more prepared for a big
storm than the federal government that promised
us flood protection." [Jarvis DeBerry]
http://makeashorterlink.com/?V180525DC
"Everything New Orleans"
http://www.nola.com
So what's yours?
Their souls remains in jeopardy.
Let us continue to pray for them, in Jesus' most precious and holy
name.
May they repent and receive GOD's powerful blessings which can remove
satan's mark from their foreheads to save them from what is described
for the unrepentent in the Book of Revelation.
Amen.
Maybe you should talk to Andy about that.
> > >>>and occasionally one gets a double load of bullshit from Chung.
> > >>
> > >>apart from his bullshit, Chung never fails to answer medical questions.
You'd trust his advice?
> > >>That's preferable than the quadruple load of bull that erupts from the
> > >>numerous commentators he grabs by the balls.
> > >>
> > >>You guys should see yourselves.. chung's sock puppets.
You're right. We should take as much of Andy's crap as he can dish
out.
> > > Chung is the one that both poisons legitimate threads with his nonsense
> > > and crossposts irrelevant threads from genuine religious newsgroups
> > > without the permission of the OP. All we do is rebut his nonsense when
> > > it has been crossposted to non-religious newsgroups as a deliberate
> > > provocation and in violation of their charter.
> > >
> > > As to his 'advice', It is invariably amazingly glib for somebody
> > > claiming to be a qualified and practising cardiolgist. It amounts in
> > > most cases to faintly informed common sense of the sort one's GP might
> > > deliver if they were on a very tight time slot. Take it from somebody
> > > who has a large amount of experience in the field of clinical
> > > governance.
> > >
> > > Ask yourself why a qualified cardiologist is dishing out ad-hoc and
> > > generalised advice on the internet. The best advice to take from him,
> > > which he does often give, is to consult one's own doctor. If only he
> > > repeated that as catechistically as he does his parroted excuses for
> > > being nasty.
> >
> > why are you guys so neurotic ?
> >
> > Face up to it : you got a thing about
> > Chung that borders on insanity
Right. Andy's the one compusively crossposting crap, often hundreds of
lines of crap, and *we're* the ones with a problem.
> What you have been witnessing is the effect that powerful blessings
> from GOD have on the unrepentent who refuse to turn to GOD to receive
> HIS blessings properly. Ultimately, these blessings will slay such
> unrepentent folks.
Hey, Andy, you said you'd pray for god to kill me; how's that coming?
And outright nutcases.
Oops, where's that objective, verifiable evidence that such a thing as
a "soul" exists? One would think a legitimate doctor could provide
such evidence.
snip religious programming.
Dung, do you know how to witness to atheists?
Specifically, how do you convert an atheist to a theist?
Note that no one on the groups you post to stands up for you. Even
I have my friends when attacked. You are alone. That bespeaks a
ranting buffoon . A crazy whack job on a soap box.
How pitiful.
Warlord Steve
BAAWA
Sorry the truth bothers you so terribly. Please forgive all my
iniquities.
Still praying for your soul, dear Steve.
The net within which they are trapped is unbreakable.
"You are now fishers of men." -- LORD Jesus Christ
Which according to you includes slaying the unrepentant. I suggest you seek
counselling from a bona fide medical professional.
Klazmon.
>
> Andrew
> http://tinyurl.com/jjl29
>
How long have you been reading this group? I've been posting here
about 2 1/2 years. Mostly Dr. Chung does not need to be defended -
he's doing just fine by himself. But sometimes, I can see a flaw in
an argument and I can't keep myself from responding - like now.
Arguments like yours are best understood by reversing them, i.e., you
are the real crazy whack job on a soap box, by your own words.
Blessings,
John
Indeed, even when it seems that I am by myself... I am not :-)
It remains my choice to continue walking with LORD Jesus Christ, Whom I
love with all my heart, soul, mind, and strength.
> But sometimes, I can see a flaw in
> an argument and I can't keep myself from responding - like now.
Many thanks to the LORD for compelling you to step in and comfort me
:-)
> Arguments like yours are best understood by reversing them, i.e., you
> are the real crazy whack job on a soap box, by your own words.
Many thanks to the LORD for stepping in and reattaching Steve's ear
here.
Now let us pray together for Steve's soul, in Jesus' infinitely
powerful and holy name.
No. Blessings are not meant for slaying.
This reminds me of a saying concerning the unrepentant...
"Give them enough rope and they will hang themselves."
Will also be praying for your soul, dear neighbor.
Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
Andrew
http://tinyurl.com/jjl29
You ned to take a closer look at your own predicment, Chung.
Says the dying fish to the fisherman.
Still praying for your soul, dear neighbor.
> Blessings are not meant for slaying.
>
You're getting more unstable, Andy. You're saying things and then
almost immediately forgetting what you said.
No you aren't, liar. You wish me dead, you have stated as much whilst
accepting that your religion is a death cult. You are supposed to STFU
when you concede defeat, not pretend you didn't.
Sorry John's words has struck you speechless. Please forgive all his
iniquities along with mine.
Still praying for your soul, dear neighbor.
Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
Andrew
http://tinyurl.com/jjl29
Name-calling remains a tell for those who have satan's mark emblazoned
across their foreheads.
Still praying for your soul, dear neighbor whom I love, in the holy
name of GOD's one and only begotten Son, LORD Jesus Christ, Who chose
to suffer and die on the cross in order to save us from all of our
deadly sins.
Thankfully, LORD GOD Almighty continues to keep me well.
Still praying for your soul, dear neighbor.
Telling the truth about somebody is not name-calling.
> Still evading the truth and compulsively posting bullshit in USENET despite having
> been exposed as a liar, a nutcase and a sock-puppeteer.
Liar, liar, liar, liar, liar, liar, liar, liar, liar, liar, liar, liar,
liar, liar, liar, liar, liar, liar, liar, liar, liar, liar, liar, liar,
liar, liar, liar, liar, liar, liar, liar, liar, liar, liar, liar, liar,
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liar, liar, liar, liar, liar, liar, liar, liar, liar, liar, liar, liar,
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liar, liar, liar, liar, liar, liar, liar, liar, liar, liar, liar, liar,
liar, liar, liar, liar, liar, liar, liar, liar, liar, liar, liar, liar,
liar, liar, liar, liar, liar, liar, liar, liar, liar, liar, liar, liar,
liar, liar, liar, liar, liar, liar, liar, liar, liar, liar, liar, liar,
liar, liar, liar, liar, liar, liar, liar, liar, liar, liar, liar, liar,
liar, liar, liar, liar, liar, liar, liar, liar, liar, liar, liar, liar,
liar, liar, liar, liar, liar, liar, liar, liar, liar, liar, liar, liar,
liar, liar, liar, liar, liar, liar, liar, liar, liar, liar, liar, liar,
liar, liar, liar, liar, liar, liar, liar, liar, liar, liar, liar, liar,
liar, liar, liar, liar, liar, liar, liar, liar, liar, liar, liar, liar,
liar, liar, liar, liar, liar, liar, liar, liar, liar, liar, liar, liar,
liar, liar, liar, liar, liar, liar, liar, liar, liar, liar, liar, liar,
liar, liar, liar, liar, liar, liar, liar, liar, liar.
Well, stamp me forehead!!!!
Oh! and you're still a liar, a nutcase and a jerk who cannot get a
p[roper job as a doctor because he fucked up, and is trying to spin it
as having a higher calling in order to cover his shame.
Oh! And I haven't forgotten your death threat. Here it is:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/e112535c375e95c2
If it remains your choice to expose yourself as a nasty little troll
and an unemployable doctor, then so be it. It remains the choice of the
thinking denizens of Usenet to point out your unforgivable absurdities,
especially your breathtaking dishonesty.
His iniquities ARE your iniquities, which is, as you know very well,
the point I was making.
Snipped salient point restored, and relocated by the good grace of the
PASTE.
Here's the smoking gun:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/e112535c375e95c2
"Ultimately, these blessings will slay such
unrepentent folks. " - Andrew B Chung.
> Thankfully, LORD GOD Almighty continues to keep me well.
>
Imagining you are being kept well by an invisible being is a tell for a
shambling, dishonest, morally bankrupt troll.
Then Usenet is not the place for you.
********************************************
John 14:12-14
12: Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that
believeth on me, the works that I do shall he
do also; and greater works than these shall
he do; because I go unto my Father.
13: And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name,
that will I do, that the Father may be glorified
in the Son
14: If ye shall ask any thing in my name,
I will do it.
Mark 11:23-4
For verily I say this unto you, That
whosoever shall say unto this mountain,
Be thou removed, and be thou cast
into the sea; and shall not doubt
in his heart, but shall believe that
those things which he saith shall
come to pass; he shall have whatsoever
he saith. Therefore I say unto you, What
things soever ye desire, when ye pray,
believe ye receive them and ye shall have
them.
Matthew 21:22
And all things, whatsoever ye shall ask
in prayer, believing, ye shall receive.
Matthew 18:19-20
Again I say unto you, that if two of you
shall agree on earth as touching anything
that they shall ask, it shall be done for
them of my father which is in heaven. For
where two or three are gathered in my name,
there I am in the midst of them.
***********************************************
Why won't god convert all these atheists like Jesus said
you could with prayer.
The bible must be wrong and Jesus lied.
--
Asked to explain, Eichmann said, "My fellow officers
and I coined our own name for our language. We called
it amtssprache -- 'office talk.'" In office talk "you deny
responsibility for your actions. So if anybody says, 'Why
did you do it?' you say, 'I had to.' 'Why did you have to?'
'Superiors' orders. Company policy. It's the law.'"
Cheerful Charlie
so you CAN type properly you ignorant wanker
Correct.
Still praying for your soul, dear neighbor.
Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
Andrew
http://tinyurl.com/jjl29
In two words: free will
> The bible must be wrong and Jesus lied.
Not while you are still caught in this net that the LORD has provided.
Still praying for your soul, dear William.
Chung is a born again Christian.
But take a look at his detractors. See them squirm, unable
to contain themselves. Tell me : who's wackier ?
Or the whole shebang is a delusional crock'o shit.
--
Amen.
>On Sun, 21 May 2006 19:53:22 -0700, Stephen Knight
><woo...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>>On 21 May 2006 11:46:24 -0700, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
>><and...@heartmdphd.com> wrote:
>>
>> snip religious programming.
>>
>> Dung, do you know how to witness to atheists?
>>
>> Specifically, how do you convert an atheist to a theist?
>>
>> Note that no one on the groups you post to stands up for you. Even
>>I have my friends when attacked. You are alone. That bespeaks a
>>ranting buffoon . A crazy whack job on a soap box.
>>
>> How pitiful.
>>
>>Warlord Steve
>>BAAWA
>
>How long have you been reading this group? I've been posting here
>about 2 1/2 years. Mostly Dr. Chung does not need to be defended -
>he's doing just fine by himself. But sometimes, I can see a flaw in
>an argument and I can't keep myself from responding - like now.
The psychopath has a sock puppet to lie for him, now.
>Arguments like yours are best understood by reversing them, i.e., you
>are the real crazy whack job on a soap box, by your own words.
>
>Blessings,
>John
Warlord Steve isn't the one rubbing his god-lunacy in everybody's
faces, moron.
So the psychopath now has two sock-puppets.
They're aren't any challenging arguments for it because the
information simply isn't there from which to derive it. They always
presume it and haven't the nouse to realise this.
Chung, by a country mile.
--
Lots of fish in the net.
Still praying for their souls, in Jesus' infinitely powerful and holy
name.
Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
Andrew
http://tinyurl.com/jjl29
Romans 8 - 9, all is predetermined, ain't no free will.
You don't even know your own idiot book
If all is perdetermined, why not make all people
saved and believers since free will does not exist?
You aren't very smart are you?
Religion does that to people.
Romans 8
29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did
predestinate to be conformed to the image of his
Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called:
and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he
justified, them he also glorified.
No free will? Why then not save everybody if he loved everybody as you
ignorant louts claim?
>> The bible must be wrong and Jesus lied.
>
Still prayer doesn't work, its all a lie and yet, you stupidly
refuse to see the lies right in front of you as I show you
that are all lies.
Who wants this bullshit except fools?
Now, go away.
> Indeed, even when it seems that I am by myself... I am not :-)
>
Now, there's a thing! ;-)
I begged Jessica Alba to make the sun rise in the East this morning.
She smiled upon us!
PRAISE JESSICA!
--
Doc Smartass
"I am George W. Fudd, Miwwionaire. I own a mansion, a yacht, and your phone
number."
Yes, LORD GOD Almighty has a plan.
>, ain't no free will.
It seems you are not familiar with the Book of Jonah, where there is an
account of events that clearly demonstrated that Jonah had free will
which he exercised against GOD's infinite will. Moreover, when the
citizens of Nineveh exercised their free will and unexpectedly repented
upon hearing Jonah's prophecy about their pending destruction this
influenced LORD GOD Almighty to change the time course of HIS plan to
destroy them and their city at that particular moment (although the
prophecy still eventually came to pass historically outside the time
frame of Jonah).
Would suggest you read it.
That's one advantage of florid schizophrenia.
--
Actually those suffering from florid schizophrenia lose all ability to
interact with the world much less post on USENET.
Thankfully, my LORD continues to keep me well during my walk with HIM
as evident by HIS helping me easily handle the fish that has been
caught by HIS net.
Still praying for your soul, dear Michael.
>Stephen Knight wrote:
>> On 21 May 2006 11:46:24 -0700, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
>> <and...@heartmdphd.com> wrote:
>>
>> snip religious programming.
>
>Sorry the truth bothers you so terribly. Please forgive all my
>iniquities.
You didn't address anything I said. Being a sniveling runt dropping
the word 'forgive' like a cheating bitch isn't going to bring me
closer to your superstition.
I asked you specifically if you understood atheism. You replied
with an vague apology. Announcing to the world you're a piece of shit
too stupid to answer a question.
You want to convert atheists to christianity but instead do more
harm to your superstition by the words you speak.
Atheists have real questions. You sit on your cloud and give
nothing.
I shouldn't complain. Not really. Guys like you do more to promote
atheism than I do. You can't answer questions.
>
>Still praying for your soul, dear Steve.
>
Can you prove I have a 'soul'?
Nope. And won't even try.
>Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
That's sooooo gay.
Warlord Steve
BAAWA
>On Sun, 21 May 2006 19:53:22 -0700, Stephen Knight
><woo...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>>On 21 May 2006 11:46:24 -0700, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
>><and...@heartmdphd.com> wrote:
>>
>> snip religious programming.
>>
>> Dung, do you know how to witness to atheists?
>>
>> Specifically, how do you convert an atheist to a theist?
>>
>> Note that no one on the groups you post to stands up for you. Even
>>I have my friends when attacked. You are alone. That bespeaks a
>>ranting buffoon . A crazy whack job on a soap box.
>>
>> How pitiful.
>>
>>Warlord Steve
>>BAAWA
>
>How long have you been reading this group?
I've been posting to a.a. about ten years.
> I've been posting here
>about 2 1/2 years. Mostly Dr. Chung does not need to be defended -
>he's doing just fine by himself. But sometimes, I can see a flaw in
>an argument and I can't keep myself from responding - like now.
>
'flaw'!? You mean having a rational leg to stand on? His inability
to confront an atheist with a rational response? His only response to
confrontation is 'I'll pray for you' or 'you're a 666' by his
christian Satan?
>Arguments like yours are best understood by reversing them, i.e., you
>are the real crazy whack job on a soap box, by your own words.
Instead of sucking his literary dick, maybe you should try a little
common sense on the quality of his posts to atheism. Obviously you're
a butt boy for superstitious/ignorant/programmed religious blather by
someone too stupid to make a coherent reply. That works in churches,
not here.
I didn't notice you responding to anything I've asked of the Great
Dung. Where's your insightful wisdom?
Wait! I know this one! You'll pray for me.
Spit!
Warlord Steve
BAAWA
>John wrote:
>> On Sun, 21 May 2006 19:53:22 -0700, Stephen Knight
>> <woo...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> >On 21 May 2006 11:46:24 -0700, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
>> ><and...@heartmdphd.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > snip religious programming.
>> >
>> > Dung, do you know how to witness to atheists?
>> >
>> > Specifically, how do you convert an atheist to a theist?
>> >
>> > Note that no one on the groups you post to stands up for you. Even
>> >I have my friends when attacked. You are alone. That bespeaks a
>> >ranting buffoon . A crazy whack job on a soap box.
>> >
>> > How pitiful.
>> >
>> >Warlord Steve
>> >BAAWA
>>
>> How long have you been reading this group? I've been posting here
>> about 2 1/2 years. Mostly Dr. Chung does not need to be defended -
>> he's doing just fine by himself.
>
>Indeed, even when it seems that I am by myself... I am not :-)
Yeah... It's fucking wonderful!
LORD!!!!!! Thank you for surrounding me your Perfect Imbeciles!!!
I AM NOT ALONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HAL LA YOU YA!
And you get programmed reinforcement.. 'how'.. many times a month?
Warlord Steve
BAAWA
'Amen'? That's the entirety of your response?
You agree with a drooling moron? What a powerfully significant way
to convert an atheist.
I am moved.
You had to make a couple clicks of the Mouse and actually type
'Amen' and send it.
WOW!
I'm in the presence of a fucking Shakespeare!
Warlord Steve
BAAWA
>napolius wrote:
>> Bretts wrote:
>> > Folks like Chung are wackos, I'll admit, but aren't there some theists,
>> > somewhere (e.g. in an ivy-league seminary) who actually have
>> > challenging arguments?
>>
>> Chung is a born again Christian.
>>
>> But take a look at his detractors. See them squirm, unable
>> to contain themselves. Tell me : who's wackier ?
>
>Lots of fish in the net.
Why do you need a net? A net is a trap.
But you're a sheep. You're a Delta afraid of the Alphas. That's why
you're so afraid of everything. It's why you're so committed to an
imaginary Daddy so he will protect you.
Warlord Steve
BAAWA
>
>It seems you are not familiar with the Book of Jonah,
The guy that lived in a whale stomach?
(snork!)
> where there is an
>account of events that clearly demonstrated that Jonah had free will
>which he exercised against GOD's infinite will.
Oh... He KNEW your god existed but he rebelled....?
(Snork!)
> Moreover, when the
>citizens of Nineveh exercised their free will and unexpectedly repented
>upon hearing Jonah's prophecy about their pending destruction this
>influenced LORD GOD Almighty to change the time course of HIS plan
Your GOD 'changed his mind'!!!????
Did you just say that!!!
Holy shit! I thought your god was unchanging and omniscient
> to
>destroy them and their city at that particular moment (although the
>prophecy still eventually came to pass historically outside the time
>frame of Jonah).
>
Time, date and place. I'll need peered reviewed articles and proof
your deity murdered a people because he was angered.
>Would suggest you read it.
>
Most atheists have read the bible. That's why we're atheists.
I always get a kick out of Deuteronomy. Wow! Your god tells his
murderous ravaging army to kill all the men and all the women 'that
have known men' but keep the virgins for themselves. What a god
directed fuckfest orgy THAT must have been. Maybe that's where the RCC
became pedophiles.
OH! My favorite... When Lot tossed his virgin daughters to the sex
crazed mob to protect the angels. And he was the best man they could
find to save!
(I won't get into Noah being a naked drunk and laughed at by his
kids. That's a cheap shot..)
>Still praying for your soul, dear William.
Yes. Do the most worthless action you can do and make it seem
important.
Warlord Steve
BAAWA
His fear has more to do with his profound mental illness than anything
else.
--
No. The prophet who was swallowed up by a large fish after been thrown
off a boat and then transported by the fish back safely onto shore so
that the LORD's infinite will is realized.
> (snork!)
(Would suggest you consult with an ENT for your sinus problems).
> > where there is an
> >account of events that clearly demonstrated that Jonah had free will
> >which he exercised against GOD's infinite will.
>
> Oh... He KNEW your god existed but he rebelled....?
Yes, just as a child rebells against the parents s/he knows.
> (Snork!)
(see above suggestion)
> > Moreover, when the
> >citizens of Nineveh exercised their free will and unexpectedly repented
> >upon hearing Jonah's prophecy about their pending destruction this
> >influenced LORD GOD Almighty to change the time course of HIS plan
>
> Your GOD 'changed his mind'!!!????
Yes.
> Did you just say that!!!
Yes, if you are asking a question.
> Holy shit! I thought your god was unchanging and omniscient
LORD GOD Almighty remains omnipotent and omniscient. As for whether HE
is able to change HIS mind, it is so written in Jonah that HE is able.
This would be consistent with HIS having a free will that is infinite
overcoming all our respective free wills.
> > to
> >destroy them and their city at that particular moment (although the
> >prophecy still eventually came to pass historically outside the time
> >frame of Jonah).
>
> Time, date and place. I'll need peered reviewed articles and proof
> your deity murdered a people because he was angered.
For Creator GOD to unmake what HE has made is well within HIS right and
is not murder.
> >Would suggest you read it.
>
> Most atheists have read the bible.
... without understanding it.
> That's why we're atheists.
Correct.
Just as archetypal atheist "doubting" Thomas lived the Gospels but did
not believe that Jesus is GOD until he had seen the risen Christ:
"My LORD **and** my GOD ! " -- Thomas
> I always get a kick out of Deuteronomy. Wow! Your god tells his
> murderous ravaging army to kill all the men and all the women 'that
> have known men' but keep the virgins for themselves. What a god
> directed fuckfest orgy THAT must have been. Maybe that's where the RCC
> became pedophiles.
When given the authority to kill during wartime, a soldier who kills
his/her enemy is not a murderer.
> OH! My favorite... When Lot tossed his virgin daughters to the sex
> crazed mob to protect the angels. And he was the best man they could
> find to save!
It is the righteous man who shows this ultimate level of reverence for
those who come in the name of the LORD.
> (I won't get into Noah being a naked drunk and laughed at by his
> kids. That's a cheap shot..)
>
> >Still praying for your soul, dear William.
>
> Yes. Do the most worthless action you can do and make it seem
> important.
Without the LORD, your opinion is meaningless (Ecclesiastes).
Still praying for your soul too, dear Steve.
>Stephen Knight wrote:
>> On 22 May 2006 17:53:09 -0700, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
>> <nos...@heartmdphd.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >It seems you are not familiar with the Book of Jonah,
>>
>> The guy that lived in a whale stomach?
>
>No. The prophet who was swallowed up by a large fish after been thrown
>off a boat and then transported by the fish back safely onto shore so
>that the LORD's infinite will is realized.
>
A 'fish'?... A FISH! And you think an atheist is going to believe
THAT!? A fucking FISH carried a guy to safety!
Retard.
>> > where there is an
>> >account of events that clearly demonstrated that Jonah had free will
>> >which he exercised against GOD's infinite will.
>>
>> Oh... He KNEW your god existed but he rebelled....?
>
>Yes, just as a child rebells against the parents s/he knows.
>
Children are innocent. They haven't the mental capacity to know
right from wrong. The analogy sucks when applied to adults that 'have'
knowledge of right and wrong.
>> > Moreover, when the
>> >citizens of Nineveh exercised their free will and unexpectedly repented
>> >upon hearing Jonah's prophecy about their pending destruction this
>> >influenced LORD GOD Almighty to change the time course of HIS plan
>>
Bullshit. Stop weaseling. Your god knows everything. He 'knew' they
repent before they did. Even before he bleated information to your
Jonah character.
It's obvious you're really confused about omniscient. Your deity is
touted to know everything but you say he can be persuaded to 'CHANGE
HIS FUCKING MIND'
Do you understand what I'm saying? Do I have to get out the crayons
and spell it out for you?
>> Holy shit! I thought your god was unchanging and omniscient
>
>LORD GOD Almighty remains omnipotent and omniscient. As for whether HE
>is able to change HIS mind, it is so written in Jonah that HE is able.
Huh? He's unchanging and omniscient but can change his mind....?
That is some deep sock puppet shit, Dung.
> This would be consistent with HIS having a free will that is infinite
>overcoming all our respective free wills.
>
Which has absolutely 'nothing' to do with your above statement. You
have a gift from hopping from one disjointed statement to another and
thinking they're related.
>For Creator GOD to unmake what HE has made is well within HIS right and
>is not murder.
>
Lunacy. Pure ignorant programmed insanity.
>> >Would suggest you read it.
>>
>> Most atheists have read the bible.
>
>... without understanding it.
>
Gee whiz.... I guess we need someone like you that says it's okay
for your god to kill and to explain the bible to us.
Warlord Steve
BAAWA
Depends on whether the atheist has knowledge that there are many
creatures in the oceans that are large enough to carry a person to
safety.
> Retard.
If you were secure in the truth, you would have had enough strength to
resist the temptation of descending into name-calling.
> >> > where there is an
> >> >account of events that clearly demonstrated that Jonah had free will
> >> >which he exercised against GOD's infinite will.
> >>
> >> Oh... He KNEW your god existed but he rebelled....?
> >
> >Yes, just as a child rebels against the parents s/he knows.
> >
> Children are innocent.
The rebellion typically happens when they are no longer innocent (ie
adolescence).
> They haven't the mental capacity to know
> right from wrong.
Actually, it starts when they starting believing that they do know
right from wrong and that their parents are wrong.
> The analogy sucks when applied to adults that 'have'
> knowledge of right and wrong.
It especially relevant for adults who think they know right from wrong
and believe GOD is wrong.
> >> > Moreover, when the
> >> >citizens of Nineveh exercised their free will and unexpectedly repented
> >> >upon hearing Jonah's prophecy about their pending destruction this
> >> >influenced LORD GOD Almighty to change the time course of HIS plan
> >>
> Bullshit. Stop weaseling. Your god knows everything.
Actually, HE does not know what each of us will choose to do at any one
given moment. This is because of the generous gift of free will HE has
given each of us. However, GOD's infinite will still ensures that
things will still occur according to HIS plan though HE reserves the
right to change this plan at any time.
> He 'knew' they
> repent before they did.
Actually, HE did not. On the otherhand, it is written that Jonah
complained that he knew the Ninevites would repent and that GOD would
relent and that he would end up regretting that he warned them and this
was the reason he went against GOD's infinite will in the first place.
> Even before he bleated information to your
> Jonah character.
No.
> It's obvious you're really confused about omniscient.
No. GOD does indeed have all the knowledge. For this reason, the LORD
is the Source of all knowledge and wisdom.
> Your deity is
> touted to know everything but you say he can be persuaded to 'CHANGE
> HIS FUCKING MIND'
It is so written in the Holy Bible.
> Do you understand what I'm saying?
I understand what is written in the Holy Bible.
> Do I have to get out the crayons
> and spell it out for you?
No. However, it seems you need help.
> >> Holy shit! I thought your god was unchanging and omniscient
> >
> >LORD GOD Almighty remains omnipotent and omniscient. As for whether HE
> >is able to change HIS mind, it is so written in Jonah that HE is able.
>
> Huh?
Yes.
> He's unchanging and omniscient but can change his mind....?
Yes. Just as you can change your mind and decide to wear a color
different from what you had originally planned and this would not
change who and what you are so GOD can change HIS mind about destroying
a city as HE had originally planned and this would not change Who and
What HE is.
> That is some deep sock puppet shit, Dung.
Actually, it is quite simple.
Truth is simple.
> > This would be consistent with HIS having a free will that is infinite
> >overcoming all our respective free wills.
> >
> Which has absolutely 'nothing' to do with your above statement.
It does for the discerning.
> You
> have a gift from hopping from one disjointed statement to another and
> thinking they're related.
Without a discerning heart, you will never know the truth.
> >For Creator GOD to unmake what HE has made is well within HIS right and
> >is not murder.
>
> Lunacy. Pure ignorant programmed insanity.
The truth.
GOD put you in this world so HE certainly can take you out.
Your parents may have said similar things to you when you lived under
their roof and rebelled against them. Their righteousness came from
GOD because HE chose your parents for you and gave them HIS authority
over you.
> >> >Would suggest you read it.
> >>
> >> Most atheists have read the bible.
> >
> >... without understanding it.
> >
> Gee whiz.... I guess we need someone like you that says it's okay
> for your god to kill and to explain the bible to us.
See above. Consider yourself now well informed.
Still praying for your soul, dear Steve.
Proof you are an idiot and so was Jesus.
The bible - proven failure.
***********************************************
--
"Its the hit dog what yelps."
- Mark Twain
Cheerful Charlie
>> >
>> A 'fish'?... A FISH! And you think an atheist is going to believe
>> THAT!? A fucking FISH carried a guy to safety!
>
>Depends on whether the atheist has knowledge that there are many
>creatures in the oceans that are large enough to carry a person to
>safety.
So a fish received 'god orders' to save someone he liked more than a
crippled kid or someone dying from cancer.
I can't talk to you anymore, Dung. You've burned me out. You
haven't once provided evident or even a reasonable postulate to your
superstitious claims. You are the weak minion of believers that puppet
their programmed thinking, you believe it, so others will too.
You talk for your god. Designing it to cater to your imagination of
what a god is. All wrapped up in warped fantasies of realities. You
haven't the intellect to understand how twisted and perverted you god
is at a logically and rational level.
You young atheists.............. Take notice how the programmed
operate. They spew facts without evidence. With, Dung, he is 'with
the bible' Scratch and sniff, Dung', you'll smell high reeking
superstitious sock puppet. Smells like shit and you know it.
Better to be an atheist than a christian.
Warlord Steve
BAAWA
Non sequitur.
> I can't talk to you anymore, Dung. You've burned me out.
Sorry the truth overwhelms you. Please forgive my iniquities.
I'm sure there's a whole busload of lunatics in that skull of yours.
There's nothing like a healthy wacko.
No. There are a few in AA however :-)
It's already stamped by Satan!
>And guys like you do nothing to promote atheism, unless it's for
>vulgar, disgusting use of language, derogatory posts, fanatical speech,
>unrelenting abuse, etc.,
The only fanatics trying to promote anything are in-your-face stupid
religionists who get treated with the contempt they deserve for it -
and trolling morons like you.
However, you'll be in my prayers no matter what your behaviour is.
Look at Paul, a saint, he once persecuted and tortured the Christians,
until he met our Lord on the way to Demascus.
A question for you if you live in the USA.
Have you ever voted for, or have you ever supported directly or
indirectly through church donations, the genocidal Christian, George W
Bush?
--
No one knows who you are talking to,
because you don't quote the text you
are responding to.
--
"Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass,
till all these things be fulfilled." - Matthew 24:34
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"For the word of God is sharper than any two edged sword."
The Bible says that death came by sin and sin came
by Adam (Rom 5:12; 1 Cor 15:21-22).
Evolution says lots of things lived and died before
Adam and Eve got here and therefore attempts to rule
out what the Bible says.
One or the other is right, but they can't both
be right.
Actually those using Google know:
Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
Andrew
http://tinyurl.com/jjl29
Their reaction reminds me of the following from Acts 7 after Stephen
had witnessed to the Sanhedrin:
"At this they covered their ears and, yelling at the top of their
voices, they all rushed at him dragged him out of the city and began to
stone him." (Acts 7:57-58)
Amen.
Prove the bible is right and Jesus wasn't a fool.
Pray for my miraclous conversion and shows us
the bible and Jesus were right. I have been
challenging the creeps like Chung who barge
into AA with this "Pray for you!" nonsense 10 years.
The bible seems to not be true.
You have been given a logical proof that the risen LORD Jesus Christ
lives.
No one has been able to provide a logically valid refutation of this
proof.
No one ever will.
Therefore, atheism is dead.
Still praying for your soul, dear William
> wbarwell wrote:
>> i8banks wrote:
>>
>> > And guys like you do nothing to promote atheism, unless it's for
>> > vulgar, disgusting use of language, derogatory posts, fanatical speech,
>> > unrelenting abuse, etc.,
>>
>> Prove the bible is right and Jesus wasn't a fool.
>
> You have been given a logical proof that the risen LORD Jesus Christ
> lives.
>
God cannot exist, especially the god of the idiotic bible.
That means Jesus cannot exist as son of a nonexistant god.
IS THERE A GOD? NO.
STRONG ATHEISM'S ANSWER - PART 1.
1. First of all, this proof "God" does not exist
is aimed at an entire class of gods, not
particular gods. This is the class of gods that
are omni-everything and creator of all. If I can
disprove an entire class of gods, all particular
gods that belong to that class are collectively
disproven too. This is an efficient, and sensible
approach to disproving god, by which I mean the
god of major religious and theological traditions.
Judaism, Christianity, Islam, Brahamanistic
Hinduism.
Some have complained that this does
not disprove all gods. True, but this is not
meant to, it is meant only to deal with the gods
that are the main problem for this world, the
gods of 4 1/2 billion believers. The god that
is the source of fundamentalism, bigotry,
fanaticism, anti-intellectualism and backwardness.
There are a few other classes of gods but
numerically speak, by numbers of believers,
these are not that widespread or very important.
Animist gods, such as found in Voodoo and the
like. It is possible to sort other kinds
of gods into a few classes of gods and likewise
disprove each class.
Here I am primarily looking at the class of
omni-everything creator gods. This should not be
taken to mean other classes of gods cannot also
be likewise disproven.
Or that such secondary classes are totally
unimportant. But basically the omni-everything
class of gods is so far above any other god that
once it is debunked, its hard to step down to
distinctly second rate gods. Its like stepping
down from a Cadillac to a bicycle.
If we can thus disprove that class, we have done
most of strong Atheism's work.
2. A BASIC DEFINITION THE CLASS OF
OMNI-EVERYTHING AND CREATOR OF ALL GODS.
I sometimes call this the Grand God of
Grand Theology. Or the Grand God
for short.
3. NO EVIDENCE FOR GOD
There is no evidence whatsover for god. One may
search the best textbooks of the best divinity
schools and seminaries and philosophy departments
of the best universities in vain for evidence.
2500 years of philosophy and theology have
produced
no good hard, undeniable evidence at all.
4. ALL WE HAVE TO WORK WITH IS ASSERTIONS
A. All we have to work from is claims, or
assertions made about god. I have chosen the
following 8 as they are all part of all great and
large religions and theological traditions of the
world. Most of 4 1/2 billion believers will agree
with most of these, and these are all dogmatic to
most mainsteam religions.
B. If we can show these create contradictions, we
can show that the class omni-everything creator
gods, the Grand God, cannot exist. All we have to
work with are assertions and logic, but this is
all we need.
5. THE 8 MAJOR ASSERTIONS I WILL WORK WITH
The general overarching definition of god as per
the major religions of the world is:
A. God is personal, God has will and
consciousness.
B. God has free will.
C. God is the creator of all.
D. God is omnipotent.
E. God is omnibenevolent.
F. God is omniscient.
G. God is that which nothing more powerful
can be imagined.
These are the basic attributes that can be claimed
for the god of orthodox Judaism, Christianity,
Islam, and Hinduism.
Omnibenevolence and omniscience are actually
logically derivable from the claimed attribute of
omnipotence and so aren't not truly independent
attributes, and may be considered special aspects
of omnipotence.
6. WE CAN THUS ABSTRACT A GENERAL CLASS OF
OMNI-EVERYTHING GOD FROM THESE 8 GENERAL
ASSERTIONS.
A. We can abstract a class of gods,
omni-everything, creator gods from these 8
characteristics. We could probably drop G. and
collapse B. into A.
We can ignore other claims though such claims
as god's mercy, justice and love are also affected
and could be used to strengthen the argument.
Many of these are destroyed anyway by considering
A. - G. But the idea is to use minimal number of
basic claims found in all major religious and
theological traditions. If these do the job of
disproving this class of gods, that is all we
need. Anything else is a luxury.
B. There are other attributes of god, that god is
eternal, infinite, that god is simple and that
god has always existed that are not important
for this discussion and for now, can be ignored.
They are secondary arguments and are for the most
part not foundational or truly necessary, except
those that can be logically derived from the
attributes listed above or are destroyed by
discussion of the 8 attributes discussed above.
7. CLASSES OF GODS
A. It is important to note here in 2. that this is
a definition not for a particular god, but an
entire class of gods. This is key to this
disproof which is general in nature.
B. If we disprove the entire class of gods by
examining the logical implications of a few
claims, all secondary claims are also destroyed.
We need not examine claims of god's simplicity or
whether god is immanent or transcendent or other
similar claims. We need not break down
omnibenevolence into secondary associated claims
such as such as mercy, justice, or implied claims,
though we might mention their destruction
in passing when appropriate, and damage done to
such concepts of damnation, or punishment or sin.
C. If we disprove a class of gods, those gods
belonging to that class are also disproven. Jesus,
Allah and other gods that properly belong to the
class of omni-everything creator gods are
simultaneously disproven if we succeed.
D. Tertiary claims are also likewise disproven.
Mohammed is not a prophet of god and Jesus was not
son of god. Moses did not meet god on the
mountain, God did not promise all of Canaan to
Abraham. God did not part the Red Sea. God does
not speak to prophets.
8. THE FOUR GREAT THEOLOGICAL TRADITIONS
Again, Judaism, Christianity, Islam, Hinduism hold
to this basic Grand God and are typical Grand
Theologies holding to this basic class of god as
their basic definitions of what god is at god's
most basic level. I chose these since the majority
of believers 4 1/2 billion approximately belong to
these traditions and related religions and sects.
9. THE PROBLEM OF EVIL.
The problem of evil was first written down by
Epicurus in about the third century BCE.
It is found in Christian writer Lactantius's
"Treatise on the Anger of God".
A basic formulation is:
A. God is defined as powerful
B. God is defined as as good.
C. Evil exists.
D. God therefore, is not powerful as claimed.
E. Or God is not good as claimed.
F. Or god is neither powerful or
good.
G. Or god is not existant.
It should be noted the original version as found
in Lactantius does not use the words omnipotent
or omnibenevolent, these are much later
restatements of the original problem of evil which
works just as well without these terms.
10. THE FREE WILL DEFENSE
A. The free will defense of the problem of evil
goesback to St. Augustine who popularized it. It
is still popular, and is championed most notably
today by Alvin Plantinga, but also by many other
theologians.
B. God gave man free will. Man freely chooses to
do evil. Ability to do evil is less evil than
lacking free will.
11. THE FREE WILL DEFENSE DISPROVEN. FIRST WAY
God has free will.
God is has a good nature
incapable of doing evil.
A. If god can have free will, and a good nature,
this good nature is not allowed to count
against god's free will.
B. Nor is god's lack of ability to do evil
allowed to count against god's omnipotence
C. Likewise, man could easily have a god-like
free will and a god-like good nature.
D. Inability then to do evil would no more count
against man's free will than it does for god's
free will.
E. If so, it also counts against god's free will
and god does not have free will as claimed.
F. If god does not have absolute and total free
will, thus free will is not a true necessity
at all.
F. If god is omnipotent and omnibenevolent, and
can give man a god like free will and a
god-like good nature incapable of moral evil,
god must do so or god is not moral, not
good.
G. Evil exists because he allows it to.
So god can have free will and a good nature and
still be said to have free will despite never
doing evil. Man can thus also have this and
inability to do evil is not a sign of lack of free
will. We both would have potential to do evil, but
simply don't. Here, the free will defense fails,
the problem of evil remains.
13 OMNISCIENCE VERSUS CREATORHOOD OF GOD
FREE WILL DISPROVEN PART 2.
God is defined as creator of all in these
religions.
And god is claimed to be omniscient, all knowing.
A. God created the Universe and all in it.
B. God is omniscient, all knowing, he knows all
in the Universe and he knows the future of the
Universe and its contents.
C. If god creates a Universe, he will know that
in 13 billion years this Universe will have a
man named John Smith in it.
D. If John Smith is good and saved, or evil and
damned, God will know that.
E. As he knows that the Universe in its present
state will have a John Smith, god may then
contemplate the future state of Smith and
decide if he will tolerate an evil Smith.
F. If yes, Smith will be evil only because of a
specific personal and will choice made solely
by god.
G. If Smith is evil, then evil exists solely
because of a choice made by god. In fact all
moral evil done by creations of god will be
evil and do evil only because of personal and
willful creations of god allowing evil acts
to be done, by direct decision of god.
H. If evil exists in a world with an omniscient
creator god, it is solely and only because
god allows evil.
I. If evil exists solely because of personal
choices of god, god then is not as defined,
omnibenevolent.
J. Man and any other sentient being in such a
Universe cannot have any free will, not even
in principle. A Universe with a god that
creates all and knows all precludes free will
for all beings god creates in the strongest
possible manner.
The Grand God of Grand
Theology is thus self destroying, it is
incoherent and contradictory as a theory
and such a god is impossible.
B. Further more such a situation makes god a
problematic idea. If there is no free will and if
thus god makes all decisions to the smallest
physical extent possible, at all times, then not
only is this god not good, but evil, a
contradiction, but it destroys all of this
purported god's secondary attributes. In such a
universe, mercy, justice, god's alleged love of
mankind are all incomprehensible nonsense. It
makes no sense to create a man to do evil acts
and condemn him to eternal torment forever for
something god decided, not that man.
C. Any system of theology that claims god created
all and that god is omniscient, knowing the
future, faces this problem and dissolves into
total incoherent nonsense, a reductio ad absurdum
that makes a mockery of all religions based on a
god that is allegedly creator of all and
omniscient, knowing the future.
14. THE SITUATION SO FAR.
1. A minimalistic class of gods is defined, this
Grand God has been defined here with as few
terms as possible.
2. The problem of evil dooms such a claimed god.
3. The attempted defense, free will is fatally
flawed. God's good nature and free will doom
claims free will makes evil necessary for man
to have free will.
4. Omniscience and creatorhood of god further
doom claims of god's omnibenevolence and
man's free will free will cannot exist for
man. All evil is the direct and knowing
creation of god contradicting claims of
omnibenevolence.
5. Since Free will for man is totally impossible,
free will cannot be a good quality, much less
necessary.
6. This destroys all other claimed secondary and
good attributes of god.
15. GOD AND TIME.
A. Both Augustine and Boethius described god as
being transcendent to time, outside and beyond it.
Thus there is no past, present, or future to god,
all is now. Since all is now, god must have
create all things at once at once. Including
again, our every act, thought and inclination.
God is said to be out of time because otherwise he
must affected by time, which would mean he is not
as defined, all powerful or omnipotent. But this
means he is omniscient and again, we have no free
will.
B. As seen, explicit claims of omniscience, and
creatorship of god doom free will and more. Any
claim god is outside of time forces us to the
claim god is effectively omniscient.
C. But if we drop claims god is out of time and
now is affected by time, god cannot be as claimed,
omnipotent. And since omniscience, foreknowledge
of the future is important to the concept of
prophecy, that secondary assertion fails too.
16. MANY SECONDARY AND LESSOR ATTRIBUTES ARE
DOOMED BY THE CONCEPT OF OMNIPOTENCE AND
CREATORSHIP OF GOD
A. If evil exists, god is evil. We have no free
will which means secondary attributes of God such
as mercy, love, justice are pretty meaningless
in face of a god that creates many of us morally
evil. Heaven, hell, damnation, sin, punishment,
salvation, nothing much makes with such an
omniscient god. Augustine's free will defense of
God in face of Epicurus's problem of evil is
utterly undone by his claim god is sovereign over
time because he is all powerful, or omnipotent.
B. Besides these attributes being destroyed, this
destroys all religions that dogmatically claim
god is omniscient, creator of all and has these
secondary tributes.
17. TIME CONTRADICTS GOD'S CREATION OF ALL.
A. If we say god is omnipotent, all powerful, he
is outside of time then free will is impossible
and all else is simply an Universe utterly alien,
incoherent and mad and most certainly not anything
the great theological traditions tell us it is.
B. To avoid this, if we say god is not outside
of time, this then implies time is outside and
beyond god and he cannot have created it. Thus
contradicting claims of being the creator of all.
Especially ex nihilo as many religions claim.
C. Thus the another contradiction pops up
dooming a major claim, god created all. Theology
cannot keep the claim god is outside of time or
keep the claim god is subject to time, as then
they lose Omnipotence and creatorship of the
entire universe as dogmatic claims.
17. Here, the Grand God of Grand Theology has
collapsed. As has Grand Theology itself as a
methodology. As pointed out, this destroys the
claims and viability of an entire class of
possible gods, all secondary and tertiary
claims for such a god of this class also
fail, as do dogmas or secondary or tertiary
claims hanging off this class of gods in anyway.
This dooms religions based on such gods too.
18. If this entire class of omni-everything
creator gods cannot exist as defined, specific
gods cannot, nor can claims such as this or that
Grand God sent this or that revelation to man or
some prophet or did this or that. This there are
no grounds to use these religions to deny rights
to say, homosexuals, or to claim Genesis myths are
true since they are god's word and thus evolution
must not be taught in schools.
19. This Grand God is thus disproven and is
utter irrelevant to anything real and existant.
And this is not the last of the problems of the
class of Omni-everything gods that are creators
of all.
LORD Jesus Christ is GOD.
"My LORD **and** my GOD!" -- Archetypal Atheist "Doubting" Thomas upon
seeing the risen Christ.
> That means Jesus cannot exist as son of a nonexistant god.
It is written that through the Son, we now know the Father.
>
> IS THERE A GOD? NO.
> STRONG ATHEISM'S ANSWER - PART 1.
Refuted:
Still praying for your soul, dear William.
Without the Haldoperidol, your opinions are meaningless.
--
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thankfully.
One knows when one is walking very close to Christ when anti-christians
are unable to distinguish one from the Other.
And, so anti-christians like you are used by GOD to strengthen the
faith of HIS people.
Many thanks and praises to GOD for creating you.
Still praying for your endangered soul, dear Mark.
Still not true.
Without the Haldoperidol and the Lorazepam your opinions are meaningless.
Go fuck yourself, loser.
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
Atheist Bastard Extraordinaire
#1557
Thanks for sharing, asshole. Now, please FOAD. Thanking you in advance.
It seems that GOD is helping you tone things down a bit.
Many thanks and praises to the LORD for this.
Will keep praying for your endangered soul, dear Robyn.
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Sorry my prayers continue to bother you so terribly. Please forgive
all my iniquities.
Amen !
Still praying that the LORD will continue to use you to place HIS Word
out onto these usenet newsgroups, dear William.
> --
> "Its the hit dog what yelps."
> - Mark Twain
"It's the atheist who hits his dog to hear him yelp."
Still praying for your endangered soul, dear William.
Hoping your dog fares better than Mark Twain's :-)