Take heed those who call themselves Christians.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
>
> This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the
> flesh. For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the
> flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the
> things that ye would. But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the
> law. Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery,
> fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, *hatred,
> *variance, emulations, *wrath, *strife, *seditions, *heresies, *Envyings,
> murders, drunkenness, *revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you
> before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things
> shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
>
> (Galatians 5:16-21)
>
> I have also told you in time past,
>
> that they which do such things
>
> shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
"All things will be forgiven except blaspheming ME." -- Holy Spirit
Amen.
The brethren of LORD Jesus Christ are neither perfect (i.e. without
sin) nor more special...
... we are simply forgiven:
http://www.interviewwithgod.com/forgiven/
May GOD continue to heal our hearts with HIS living water so that we
can love those neighbors, who would harm us, a little more and LORD
Jesus Christ infinitely more, dear brother whom I love
unconditionally.
Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,
Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
http://EmoryCardiology.com
"Unlike the 2PD-OMER Approach, weight loss diets can't be combined
with well-balanced diets."
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love/TheTruth
Kurt Gavin
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lo...@thetruth.com> wrote in message
> The brethren of LORD Jesus Christ are neither perfect (i.e. without
> sin) nor more special...
>
> ... we are simply forgiven:
Assuming there is a god who judges you after death, you claim to get a free
pass becasue you go through the motions of grovelling to him?
That is plainly a convenient childish lie that you like to tell youself.
If there is a god, atheists will be the slavemasters over xian fundies in
the afterlife.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> brother ^^^Sog wrote:
>
> > This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of
> > the flesh. For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit
> > against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye
> > cannot do the things that ye would. But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are
> > not under the law. Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are
> > these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry,
> > witchcraft, *hatred, *variance, emulations, *wrath, *strife, *seditions,
> > *heresies, *Envyings, murders, drunkenness, *revellings, and such like: of
> > the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that
> > they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
> >
> > (Galatians 5:16-21)
>
"All things will be forgiven except blaspheming ME." -- Holy Spirit
Amen.
May GOD continue to heal our hearts with HIS living water so that we
can love our neighbors a little more and LORD Jesus Christ infinitely
more, dear sister Diana whom I love unconditionally.
flyingrat
@thetruth.com says...
> "All things will be forgiven except blaspheming ME." -- Holy Spirit
>
Spirit?
Oh dear. Kooki Andi caught up by his own spray again.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
> > "All things will be forgiven except blaspheming ME." -- Holy Spirit
> >
> then why do you do it constantly by pretending to speak for this Holy
> Spirit?
Pretending is not my style.
It remains my choice to continue to receive the guidance of the Holy
Spirit in everything I say, do, and write.
> Oh dear. Kooki Andi caught up by his own spray again.
Sad to read that you have unwisely chose to blaspheme HIM.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
Amen.
> then why do you do it constantly by pretending to speak for this Holy
> Spirit?
Pretending is not my style.
It remains my choice to receive the guidance of the Holy Spirit in
everything I say, do, and write.
> Oh dear. Kooki Andi caught up by his own spray again.
It saddens me to read about your unwise choice to blaspheme HIM.
The brethren of LORD Jesus Christ are neither perfect nor more
special...
...we are simply forgiven by GOD:
http://www.interviewwithgod.com/forgiven
May others wisely choose to be forgiven too by declaring with their
mouths that "Jesus is LORD:"
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/TheWay
jl
You might get knocked up.
Kurt Gavin
> O come, all ye brandeads, fearful and unthinking,
> O come ye, O come ye, to Joooooones...town.
> Come and behold Him, born the King of charrrrrr....latans;
>
> O come, let us drink purple koolaid,
> O come, let us drink purple koolaid,
> O come, let us drink purple koooooolllll aid,
> Christ the false one...
flyingrat
@thetruth.com says...
reply? Certainly looks like it, blasphemer. You missed out half the
title, the usual lame crossposts and list of bat shit crazy links.
Now take your fake faith and shove it. You condemn yourself with your
own words constantly. Treatment for schizophrenia is quite advanced
nowadays, all it takes is for you to make that appointment with a real
doctor.
FR
Archie Leach
>"All things will be forgiven except blaspheming ME." -- Holy Spirit
"Is Dr. Andy misquoting me again?"--Holy Spirit
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
>
> > It remains my choice to receive the guidance of the Holy Spirit
> > in everything I say, do, and write.
>
Mary received into her uterus the Christ pre-implantation embryo from
the Holy Spirit and not HIS guidance.
> You might get knocked up.
Don't have a uterus.
Bottomline: You are untruthful.
Your untruthfulness simply shows that you remain convicted by the Holy
Spirit:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts
flyingrat
lov...@thetruth.com says...
>
> Bottomline: You are untruthful.
>
> Your untruthfulness simply shows that you remain convicted by the Holy
> Spirit:
>
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts
>
> Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,
>
Bottomline: Chung is schizophrenic
FR
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in article <bjks331gblpblh1l7...@4ax.com>,
Archie Leach <i@h.s> wrote:
LoL!
--
Christ died for our sins, and God raised Him from the dead.
Rely on this work alone to escape hell and receive eternal
life (Jn. 3:16; 1 Cor. 15:1-3; Eph. 2:8-10; 2 Thess. 1:8-9).
Father Haskell
wrote:
> "All things will be forgiven except blaspheming ME." -- Holy Spirit
>
> Amen.
It's okay to call christians morons. God said so.
Father Haskell
wrote:
> convicted neighbor FR wrote:
> > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
> > > "All things will be forgiven except blaspheming ME." -- Holy Spirit
>
> > then why do you do it constantly by pretending to speak for this Holy
> > Spirit?
>
> Pretending is not my style.
It is every time you pray.
Father Haskell
wrote:
> convicted neighbor JLS wrote:
>
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
>
>
> > >http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/daf995cd3827c787?
>
> > > It remains my choice to receive the guidance of the Holy Spirit
> > > in everything I say, do, and write.
>
> > Well, I hope you don't receive the holy spirit the way Mary did.
>
> Mary received into her uterus the Christ pre-implantation embryo from
> the Holy Spirit
and into her pocketbook 5 talents bronze.
Kurt Gavin
"Father Haskell" <father...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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If he didn't want them made fun of, he wouldn't have made them so stupid.
Melchizedek
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Nope!
THE MARKS OF GENUINE PRAYER
Matthew 6:5-13 (NASB95)
5 "When you pray, you are not to be like the hypocrites; for they love to
astand and pray in the synagogues and on the street corners 1bso that they
may be seen by men. cTruly I say to you, they have their reward in full.
6 "But you, when you pray, ago into your inner room, close your door and
pray to your Father who is in secret, and byour Father who sees what is done
in secret will reward you.
7 "And when you are praying, do not use meaningless repetition as the
Gentiles do, for they suppose that they will be heard for their amany words.
8 "So do not be like them; for ayour Father knows what you need before
you ask Him.
9 "aPray, then, in this way:
'Our Father who is in heaven,
Hallowed be Your name.
10 'aYour kingdom come.
bYour will be done,
On earth as it is in heaven.
11 'aGive us this day 1our daily bread.
12 'And aforgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors.
13 'And do not lead us into temptation, but adeliver us from 1bevil. 2[For
Yours is the kingdom and the power and the glory forever. Amen.]'
[1]
Pray with Sincerity (6:5-8)
6:5 Next Jesus warns His disciples against hypocrisy when they pray. They
should not purposely position themselves in public areas so that others will see
them praying and be impressed by their piety. If the love for prominence is the
only motive in prayer, then, Jesus declares, the prominence gained is the only
reward.
6:6 In verses 5 and 7, the Greek pronoun translated you is plural. But in verse 6,
in order to emphasize private communion with God, you switches to singular. The
key to answered prayer is to do it in secret (i.e., go into your room and shut your
door). If our real motive is to get through to God, He will hear and answer.
It is reading too much into the passage to use it to prohibit public prayer. The
early church met together for collective prayer (Acts 2:42; 12:12; 13:3; 14:23;
20:36). The point is not where we pray. At issue here is, why we pray-to be
seen by people or to be heard by God.
6:7 Prayer should not consist of vain repetitions, i.e., stock sentences or empty
phrases. Unsaved people pray like that, but God is not impressed by the mere
multiplication of many words. He wants to hear the sincere expressions of the
heart.
6:8 Since our Father knows the things we have need of, even before we ask Him,
then it is reasonable to ask, "Why pray at all?" The reason is that, in prayer, we
acknowledge our need and dependence on Him. It is the basis of our
communicating with God. Also God does things in answer to prayer that He
would not have done otherwise (Jas. 4:2d).
L. Jesus Teaches the Model Prayer (6:9-15)
6:9 In verses 9-13 we have what is generally called "The Lord's Prayer." In
using this title, however, we should remember that Jesus never prayed it Himself.
It was given to His disciples as a model after which they could pattern their
prayers. It was not given as the exact words they were to use (v. 7 seems to rule
this out), because many words repeated by rote memory can become empty
phrases.
Our Father in heaven. Prayer should be addressed to God the Father in
acknowledgment of His sovereignty over the universe.
Hallowed be Your name. We should begin our prayers with worship, ascribing
praise and honor to Him who is so worthy of it.
6:10 Your kingdom come. After worship, we should pray for the advancement of
God's cause, putting His interests first. Specifically, we should pray for the day
when our Savior-God, the Lord Jesus Christ, will set up His kingdom on earth
and reign in righteousness.
Your will be done. In this petition we acknowledge that God knows what is best
and that we surrender our will to His. It also expresses a longing to see His will
acknowledged throughout the world.
On earth as it is in heaven. This phrase modifies all three preceding petitions. The
worship of God, the sovereign rule by God, and the performance of His will are
all a reality of heaven. The prayer is that these conditions might exist on earth as
they do in heaven.
6:11 Give us this day our daily bread. After putting God's interests first, we are
permitted to present our own needs. This petition acknowledges our dependence
on God for daily food, both spiritual and physical.
6:12 And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors. This does not refer to
judicial forgiveness from the penalty of sin (that forgiveness is obtained by faith in
the Son of God). Rather this refers to the parental forgiveness that is necessary if
fellowship with our Father is to be maintained. If believers are unwilling to forgive
those who wrong them, how can they expect to be in fellowship with their Father
who has freely forgiven them for their wrongdoings?
6:13 And do not lead us into temptation. This request may appear to contradict
James 1:13, which states that God would never tempt anyone. However, God
does allow His people to be tested and tried. This petition expresses a healthy
distrust of one's own ability to resist temptations or to stand up under trial. It
acknowledges complete dependence on the Lord for preservation.
But deliver us from the evil one. This is the prayer of all who desperately desire to
be kept from sin by the power of God. It is the heart's cry for daily salvation from
the power of sin and Satan in one's life.
For Yours is the kingdom and the power and the glory forever. Amen. The last
sentence of the prayer is omitted in the Roman Catholic and most modern
Protestant Bibles since it is lacking in many ancient manuscripts. However, such a
doxology is the perfect ending to the prayer and is in the majority of
manuscripts.? 8 It should, as John Calvin writes, "not only warm our hearts to
press toward the glory of God ... but also to tell us that all our prayers ... have no
other foundation than God alone."
[2]
6:5-6 Jesus assumed that His disciples would pray, as He assumed they would
give alms (v. 2) and fast (v. 16). Again He warned against ostentatious worship.
The synagogues and streets were public places where people could practice their
righteousness with an audience. The motive is what matters most.
Jesus was not forbidding public prayer (v. 6).
"The public versus private antithesis is a good test of one's motives; the person
who prays more in public than in private reveals that he is less interested in God's
approval than in human praise."307
Jesus alluded to the Septuagint version of Isaiah 26:20 where the private room is
a bedroom (cf. 2 Kings 4:33). Any private setting will do.
6:7-8 Jesus digressed briefly to give a further warning about repetitious prayer
(vv. 7-8) and a positive example of proper prayer (vv. 9-15). Jesus' disciples
can fall into prayer practices that characterize the pagans. Jesus Himself prayed
long prayers (Luke 6:12), and He repeated Himself in prayer (26:44). He also
advocated persistence in prayer (Luke 18:1). These practices were not the
objects of His criticism. He was attacking the idea that the length of a prayer
makes it efficacious. Pagan prayer commonly relies on length and repetition for
effectiveness.
Jesus' disciples do not need to inform their omniscient Father of their needs in
prayer. He already knows what they are. Why pray then? Jesus did not answer
that question here. Essentially we pray for the same reasons children speak to
their parents: to share concerns, to have fellowship, to obtain help, and to express
gratitude, among other reasons.
6:9-13 Jesus gave His disciples a model prayer known commonly as "The
Lord's Prayer." Obviously it was not His prayer in the sense that He prayed it but
in the sense that it came from Him. He introduced the model as such. Here is a
way to pray that is neither too long, ostentatious, nor unnecessarily repetitious.
One of Jesus' unique emphases, as I have already mentioned, was that His
disciples should think of God as their heavenly Father. It was not characteristic of
believers to address God as their Father until Jesus taught them to do so.308
"Only fifteen times was God referred to as the Father in the Old Testament.
Where it does occur, it is used of the nation Israel or to the king of Israel. Never
was God called the Father of an individual or of human beings in general (though
isolated instances occur in second temple Judaism, Sirach 51:10). In the New
Testament numerous references to God as Father can be found."309
"The overwhelming tendency in Jewish circles was to multiply titles ascribing
sovereignty, lordship, glory, grace, and the like to God . . ."310
"Our" Father indicates that Jesus expected His disciples to pray this prayer in a
group context. Private use of this prayer is all right, but the context in which Jesus
taught it was corporate, so He gave a corporate address. The "our" does not
include Himself since it is part of Jesus' teaching concerning how to pray.
The way we think of God as we pray to Him is very important. In prayer we
should remember that He is a loving Father who will respond as such to His
children. Some modern individuals advocate thinking of God as our Mother.
However this runs contrary to what Jesus taught and to the thousands of
references to God that God has given us in the masculine gender in both
Testaments. God is not a sexual being. Nevertheless He is more like a father to us
than a mother. Thinking of Him primarily as a mother will result in some distortion
in our concept of God. It will also result in some confusion in our thinking about
how God relates to us and how we should relate to Him.311
"In heaven" reminds us of His transcendence and sovereignty. Our address to
God in prayer does more to prepare us for proper praying than it does to secure
the desired response from Him.312
The first three petitions deal with God and the last three with us. This pattern
indicates that disciples should have more concern for God than we do for
ourselves. We should put His interests first in our praying as in all our living. All
the petitions have some connection with the kingdom. The first three deal with the
coming of the kingdom, and the last three are appeals in view of the coming
kingdom.313
The first petition (v. 9c) is that everyone would hold God's name (His reputation,
everything about Him) in reverence. He is already holy. We do not need to pray
that He will become more holy. What is necessary is that His creatures
everywhere recognize and acknowledge His holiness. This petition focuses on
God's reputation. People need to hallow it, to treat it as special.
God's reputation and the kingdom had close connections in the Old Testament
(Isa. 29:23; Exek. 36:23).
"In one respect His name is profaned when His people are ill-treated. The sin of
the nation which brought about the captivity had caused a profanation of the
Name, Is. 43:25; 49:11; Ezk. 36:20-23. By their restoration His name was to be
sanctified. But this sanctification was only a foreshadowing of a still future
consummation. Only when the 'kingdom' came would God's name be wholly
sanctified in the final redemption of His people from reproach."314
The second petition (v. 10a) is that the messianic kingdom will indeed come
quickly (cf. Mark 15:43; 1 Cor. 16:22; Rev. 11:17). It was appropriate for
Jesus' first disciples to pray this petition since the establishment of the kingdom
was imminent. It is also appropriate for modern disciples to pray it since the
inauguration of that kingdom will begin the righteous rule of Messiah on the earth,
which every believer should anticipate eagerly. This kingdom has not yet begun.
Christ will rule over His kingdom from the earth, and He is now in heaven. This
petition focuses on God's kingdom. People need to prepare for it.
"Those who maintain that for Jesus himself the kingdom of God had already come
in his own person and ministry inevitably treat this second petition of the Lord's
prayer in a rather cavalier fashion. It must be interpreted, they say, in line with
other sayings of Jesus. Why? And what other sayings? When all the evidence in
the sayings of Jesus for 'realized eschatology' is thoroughly tested, it boils down
to the ephthasen eph humas ['has come upon you'] of Matt. 12:28 and Luke
11:20. Why should that determine the interpretation of Matt. 6:10 and Luke
11:2? Why should a difficult, obscure saying establish the meaning of one that is
clear and unambiguous? Why not interpret the ephthasen ['has come,' 12:28] by
the elthato ['come,' 6:10]; or rather, since neither can be eliminated on valid
critical grounds, why not seek an interpretation that does equal justice to
both?"315
"Jesus' conception of God's kingdom is not simply that of the universal
sovereignty of God, which may or may not be accepted by men but is always
there. That is the basis of his conception, but he combines with it the
eschatological idea of the kingdom which is still to come. In other words, what
Jesus means by the kingdom of God includes what the rabbinic literature calls the
coming age."316
The third petition (v. 10b-c) is a request that what God wants to happen on earth
will indeed transpire on earth as it now does in heaven. That condition will take
place most fully when Christ sets up His kingdom on the earth. However this
should be the desire of every disciple in the inter-advent age while Jesus is still in
heaven. Nothing better can happen than whatever God's will involves (Rom.
12:1). God's "will" (Gr. thelema) includes His righteous demands (7:21; 12:50;
cf. Ps. 40:8) as well as His determination to cause certain events in history
(18:14; 26:42; cf. Acts 21:14). This petition focuses on God's will. People need
to do it.
"This difference [between God's heavenly universal rule and His earthly millennial
rule] arises out of the fact that rebellion and sin exist upon the earth, sin which is
to be dealt with in a way not known in any other spot in the universe, not even
among the angels which sinned. It is here that the great purpose of what I have
named the Mediatorial Kingdom appears: On the basis of mediatorial redemption
it must 'come' to put down at last all rebellion with its evil results, thus finally
bringing the Kingdom and will of God on earth as it is in heaven."317
The remaining petitions (vv. 11-13) focus on the disciples' needs. Notice the
"Thy," "Thy," "Thy," in verses 9 and 10 and the "us," "us," "us," in verses 11-13.
Some believers have concluded that prayer should not include anything selfish, so
they do not make personal petitions. However, Jesus commanded His disciples
to bring their personal needs to God in prayer. The first three petitions stand
alone, but the last three have connecting "ands" that bind them together. We need
all three of these things equally; we cannot get along without any of them.
The bread in view (v. 11) probably refers to all our food and even all our physical
needs.318 Bread has this larger significance in the Bible (cf. Prov. 30:8; Mark
3:30; Acts 6:1; 2 Thess. 3:12; James 2:15). Even today we speak of bread as
"the staff of life." Daily bread refers to the necessities of life, not its luxuries. This
is a prayer for our needs, not our greeds. The request is for God to supply our
needs day by day. The expression "this day [or today] our daily bread" reflects
first century life in which workers received their pay daily. It also reminds
disciples that we only live one day at a time, and each day we are dependent on
God to sustain us. Asking God to provide our needs does not free us from the
responsibility of working, however (cf. vv. 25-34; 2 Thess 3:10). God satisfies
our needs partially by giving us the ability and the opportunity to earn a living.
Ultimately everything comes from Him. Having to live from hand to mouth one
day at a time can be a blessing if it reminds us of our total dependence on God.
This is especially true since we live in a world that glorifies self-sufficiency.
The fifth petition requests forgiveness from debts (v. 12). "Debts" (Gr.
opheilemata) probably translates the Aramaic word hoba that was a common
synonym for sins.319 Viewing sins as debts was thoroughly Jewish (cf. Ps.
51:4).320 The second clause in the sentence does not mean that we must earn
God's forgiveness with our own. Our forgiveness of others demonstrates our felt
need of forgiveness. The person who does not forgive a brother's offenses does
not appreciate how much he himself needs forgiveness.
"Once our eyes have been opened to see the enormity of our offense against
God, the injuries which others have done to us appear by comparison extremely
trifling. If, on the other hand, we have an exaggerated view of the offenses of
others, it proves that we have minimized our own."321
Some Christians have wondered why we should ask for God's forgiveness since
the New Testament clearly reveals that God forgives all sins-past, present, and
future-when He justifies us (Acts 10:43; Eph. 1:7; Col. 1:14). That is judicial or
forensic forgiveness. However as forgiven believers we need to ask for
forgiveness to restore fellowship with God (cf. 1 John 1:9). Forensic forgiveness
brings us into God's family. Family forgiveness keeps our fellowship with God
intimate within God's family.
"Personal fellowship with God is in view in these verses (not salvation from sin).
One cannot walk in fellowship with God if he refuses to forgive others."322
Some interpreters view verse 13 as containing one petition while others believe
Jesus intended two. Probably one is correct in view of the close connection of the
ideas. They are really two sides of one coin.
"Temptation" is the Greek peirasmos and means "testing." It refers not so much
to solicitation to evil as to trials that test the character. God does not test
(peirasmos) anyone (James 1:13-14). Why then do we need to pray that He will
not lead us into testing? Even though God is not the instrumental cause of our
testing He does permit us to experience temptation from the world, the flesh, and
the devil (cf. 4:1). Therefore this petition is a request that He minimize the
occasions of our testing that may result in our sinning. It articulates the repentant
disciple's felt weakness to stand up under severe trials in view of our
sinfulness.323
"But" introduces the alternative. "Deliver us" could mean "spare us from" or
"deliver us out of." The meaning depends on what "evil" means. Is this a
reference to evil generally or to the evil one, Satan? When the Greek preposition
apo ("from") follows "deliver," it usually refers to deliverance from people. When
ek ("from") follows it, it always refers to deliverance from things.324 Here apo
occurs.
However the Old Testament predicted that a time of great evil would precede the
establishment of the kingdom (Jer. 30). Some commentators, including non-
premillenarians, have understood the evil in this petition as a reference to Satanic
opposition that will come to its full force before the kingdom begins.325 God
later revealed through Paul that Christians will not go through this Tribulation (1
Thess. 1:10; 4:13-18; et al.). Consequently we do not need to pray for
deliverance from it but from testings generally.
Some have seen a veiled reference to the Trinity in these last three petitions. The
Father provides our bread through His creation and providence, the Son's
atonement secures our forgiveness, and the Spirit's enablement assures our
spiritual victory.
The final doxology appears in many ancient manuscripts, but there is so much
variation in it that it was probably not a part of Matthew's Gospel. Evidently
pious scribes added it later to make the prayer complete liturgically.
[3]
. THE MARKS OF GENUINE PRAYER
And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to
pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be
seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward [Matt. 6:5].
"Thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are"-my, our Lord used strong language,
didn't He! "They have their reward." They pray so that they may be seen of men.
A man might go wearing a prayer shawl, which advertises the fact that he is
praying. Jesus said that when a man prays like that, he has his reward. He gets
what he wants-that is, to be seen of men. But his prayer never gets above the
rafters of the building.
But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy
door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret
shall reward thee openly [Matt. 6:6].
The concept we are dealing with here is revolutionary. Did you notice that the
Lord uses the term Father These are citizens of the kingdom that the Lord is
talking about. How do you become a child of God today? John 1:12 gives us the
answer: "But as many as received him, to them gave he power [the authority] to
become the sons of God, even to them that [do no more or less than] believe on
his name." Our Lord even said to Nicodemus, "You must be born again" (see
John 3:3)-until then, you can't call God your Father. And in the Old Testament
you will not find the word Father used in relation to a man with God. The nation
Israel as a whole was called by God, ". Israel is my son ." (Exod. 4:22), but
not an individual. The Lord Jesus is speaking of a new relationship.
Concerning the subject of prayer, we are told that it should be secret and sincere.
Many an unknown saint of God will be revealed at the judgment seat of Christ as
a real person of prayer.
But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that
they shall be heard for their much speaking [Matt. 6:7].
I heard a fellow pray the other day, and he repeated his petition about a dozen
times. The Lord Jesus says that if we ask the Father one time, He hears us.
Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have
need of, before ye ask him [Matt. 6:8].
Prayer should be marked by sincerity and simplicity:
1. Sincerity-Matthew 6:6. Go in and close the door-your prayer is between
you and God.
2. Simplicity-Matthew 6:7. Don't use vain repetition. Get right down to the
nittygritty and tell the Lord what you have on your mind. "Your Father knoweth
what things ye have need of, before ye ask him" v. 8. Even though He already
knows what we need, He wants us to come to Him and ask.
Now He gives us a sample prayer-"After this manner therefore pray ye."
Before we look at this so-called Lord's Prayer, let me say that I never use it in a
public service. I don't think that a Sunday morning crowd should get up and pray,
"Give us this day our daily bread" when they have a roast in the oven at
home-they already have their meal. It is a very meaningful prayer for those who
are hungry, but a well-fed Sunday morning congregation ought not to pray this
because for them it is vain repetition.
However, it is a wonderful model prayer for believers of all conditions.
After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed by
thy name [Matt. 6:9].
Notice that this so-called Lord's Prayer could not be the prayer of the Lord
Jesus. He couldn't pray this prayer. He couldn't join with you and me and say,
"Our Father" because the relationship between the Father and the Son is the
relationship in deity. It is a position, not a begetting. I became a son of God only
through faith in Christ; therefore Christ couldn't join with me in saying, "Our
Father."
"Which art in heaven." God is not a prisoner in this universe-He is beyond and
above it. He is in the air spaces, in the stellar spaces, but He is far removed from
His universe today. He is more than creation! He is the One sitting upon the
throne of the universe, and He has it under His control!
"Hallowed be thy name," more correctly translated, would read, "Let thy name
be made holy." The name of God stands for God, for all that God is. In what way
can you and I make God's name holy? It is my conviction that by our lives we are
to make God's name holy. When Abraham went into Canaan, a Canaanite
passing by observed that they had a new neighbor, for he had seen Abraham's
altar. Everywhere Abraham went he built an altar to God. And when Abraham
began to do business with the Canaanites, they found him to be honest. They
found that everything Abraham said invited their confidence. Finally, they reached
the conclusion that the God whom Abraham worshiped was an holy God, and
Abimelech said to Abraham, ". God is with thee in all that thou doest" (Gen.
21:22). The children of Heth said, ". thou art a mighty prince among us ."
(Gen. 23:6). The entire life of Abraham revealed the reverence he felt for God.
Surely the name of God was made holy in Canaan because of Abraham.
Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven [Matt. 6:10].
"Thy kingdom come" is the kingdom about which Matthew has been speaking,
the kingdom which Christ will establish on this earth. This is a worthy petition for
all of us to pray.
Give us this day our daily bread [Matt. 6:11].
As I have indicated, this prayer is a model for our own prayers. Now I want you
to notice this petition for a moment. It is a wonderful petition, so simple yet one
that should come from our hearts with great enthusiasm. It speaks of our utter
dependence upon God. Our bodily wants, our physical necessities, all are
supplied by Him day by day. "Give us . our daily bread"-just as Israel
gathered manna for the day, they gathered nothing for the morrow. They were not
permitted to gather manna for the next week. They could not hoard it. This prayer
gathers manna every day, "Give us this day our daily bread." It shows man that
he lives from hand to mouth. It shows man that even his bodily necessities, his
basic needs, come from God.
And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors [Matt. 6:12].
Our Lord Jesus could not pray this-He had no sin to be forgiven. You see, it is
not the Lord's prayer; it is the disciples' prayer.
"Forgive us our debts as we forgive those that are indebted to us" is legalistic; it is
not grace. I thank God for another verse of Scripture, Ephesians 4:32, "And be
ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for
Christ's sake hath forgiven you." Today God is forgiving us on the basis of what
Christ has done for us, not on the basis by which we forgive-as touching the
matter of our salvation. The redemption of God is in full view when God forgives
us. It does not refer to our salvation when we read, "forgive us our debts, as we
forgive our debtors." He is speaking here to those who are already saved, those
who already have the nature of God. He does not wait for you to forgive before
He forgives. This is not His method of settling the sin question. He gave His Son
to die, and it is on this basis that God forgives.
In some churches today where there is formal religion, liturgy and ritual, they use
"forgive us our debts" while others will use "forgive us our trespasses." Two little
girls were talking about the Lord's Prayer as repeated in their churches. One
said, "We have trespasses in our church," and the other said, "Well, in our church
we have debts." (Probably they both were right as far as the churches of our day
are concerned-they have both debts and trespasses.) So which phrase is
accurate? There is no difficulty here at all since all of these words refer to the
same thing, and that thing is sin.
And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom,
and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen [Matt. 6:13].
"Lead us not into temptation." This word lead gives us the wrong impression
because James says God does not tempt any man. That is true-God does not
tempt any man. A better translation here would be, "Leave us not in temptation."
It does not mean to keep us out of it, but when we are in it, do not leave us there.
"Deliver us from evil"-this deliverance is from the evil one. Deliver us from the
evil one-deliver us from the Devil. Satan is today an awful reality. The world has
tried many times to get rid of him. They laughed at Martin Luther who threw an
inkwell at him. But recently we have had a turn in events. Any man who stands
for God knows the awful reality of Satan. As we work in any church we become
conscious of the presence of God and also dreadfully conscious of the presence
of Satan. But we have this petition, "Deliver us from the evil one."
May I say that this is a marvelous prayer for a new believer to pray privately in
learning to pray. My own mother was not saved until late in life. She didn't know
how to pray, and she began by just repeating the Lord's Prayer. Finally she
graduated from this, and she could pray her own prayer.
When we are teaching our children to pray, we begin them with, "Now I lay me
down to sleep." Then one day little Willie adds, "God bless mama and God bless
papa." That is a thrilling moment for us, because they are beginning to pray on
their own. And our Lord gave the so-called Lord's Prayer as a model. It is a
glorious, wonderful prayer, and it shows us what we should include in our own
prayers. He would like us to learn to pray in our own words when we talk to
Him.
As the Lord Jesus said in the verses preceding the Lord's Prayer, prayer is not to
be done for display. It is a relationship between you and God, and the most
effective prayer is when you enter into your closet-that is, a private place. I am
not enthusiastic about public prayer meetings because of the fact that the deadest
service of any in the church is the prayer meeting. As a pastor, I used to try to
build up the prayer meeting, but I soon discovered that if you have fifty dead
saints praying, you don't improve it by getting a hundred dead saints. It still is a
pretty dead prayer meeting. What we need is a great deal more private prayer. It
should take place between an individual and God.
[4]
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a Mark 11:25; Luke 18:11, 13
1 Lit to be apparent to men
b Matt 6:1, 16
c Matt 6:2, 16; Luke 6:24
a Is 26:20; Matt 26:36-39; Acts 9:40
b Matt 6:4, 18
a 1 Kin 18:26f
a Ps 38:9; 69:17-19; Matt 6:32; Luke 12:30
a Matt 6:9-13: Luke 11:2-4
a Matt 3:2; 4:17
b Matt 26:42; Luke 22:42; Acts 21:14
a Prov 30:8; Is 33:16; Luke 11:3
1 Or our bread for tomorrow
a Ex 34:7; Ps 32:1; 130:4; Matt 9:2; 26:28; Eph 1:7; 1 John 1:7-9
a John 17:15; 1 Cor 10:13; 2 Thess 3:3; 2 Tim 4:18; 2 Pet 2:9; 1 John 5:18
1 Or the evil one
b Matt 5:37
2 This clause not found in early mss
[1] New American Standard Bible : 1995 update. 1995. LaHabra, CA: The
Lockman Foundation.
? 8 (6:13) Some scholars teach that the doxology is adapted from 1 Chronicles
29:11 for liturgical purposes. This is merely a guess. The traditional Protestant
(KJV) form of the prayer is completely defensible.
[2]MacDonald, W., & Farstad, A. (1997, c1995). Believer's Bible Commentary
: Old and New Testaments (Mt 6:5). Nashville: Thomas Nelson.
307 307. Carson, "Matthew," p,. 165.
308 308. J. Jeremias, The Prayers of Jesus, p. 11.
309 309. Mark L. Bailey, "A Biblical Theology of Paul's Pastoral Epistles," in A
Biblical Theology of the New Testament, p. 342. Cf. H. F. D. Sparks, "The
Doctrine of the Divine Fatherhood of God in the Gospels," in Studies in the
Gospels: Essays in Memory of R. H. Lightfoot, pp. 241-62; James Barr, "Abba
Isn't Daddy," Journal of Theological Studies 39 (1988):28-47.
310 310. Carson, "Matthew," p. 169.
311 311. See Aída Besançon Spencer, "Father-Ruler: The Meaning of the
Metaphor 'Father' for God in the Bible," Journal of the Evangelical Theological
Society 39:3 (September 1996):433-42.
312 312. Stott, p. 146.
313 313. Toussaint, Behold the . . ., p. 107.
314 314. Allen, p. 58.
315 315. Millar Burrows, "Thy Kingdom Come," Journal of Biblical Literature
74 (January 1955):4-5.
316 316. Ibid., p. 8. These are accurate and interesting conclusions coming from
a non-dispensationalist.
317 317. McClain, p. 35.
318 318. Walvoord, Matthew: . . ., p. 53.
319 319. Carson, "Matthew," p. 172.
320 320. M'Neile, p. 80.
321 321. Stott, pp. 149-50. Cf. Matt. 18:21-35.
322 322. Barbieri, p. 32.
323 323. Rick W. Byargeon, "Echoes of Wisdom in the Lord's Prayer (Matt
6:9-13)," Journal of the Evangelical Theological Society 41:3 (September
1998):353-65, saw parallels between Matt. 6:9-13 and Prov. 30:7-9.
324 324. J. B. Bauer, "Libera nos a malo," Verbum Domini 34 (1965):12-15.
325 325. E.g., Theodore H. Robinson, The Gospel of Matthew, p. 52; M'Neile,
p. 81; and T. Herbert Bindley, "Eschatology in the Lord's Prayer," The Expositor
17 (October 1919):319-20.
[3]Tom Constable. (2003; 2003). Tom Constable's Expository Notes on the
Bible (Mt 6:5-9). Galaxie Software.
[4]McGee, J. V. (1997, c1981). Thru the Bible commentary. Based on the Thru
the Bible radio program. (electronic ed.) (4:36-38). Nashville: Thomas Nelson.
Joy Oink
"Father Haskell" <father...@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:1178496397.5...@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
alt.flame.jesus.christ newsgroup, which is an
abomination.
Look at these web sites that they sponsor:
Larry Jackowski (aka St. Jackanapes) is a slanderer.
Looking into the purpose of: the newsgroup: alt.flame.jesus.christ and the "self professed" moderator:
Alias St. Jackanapes who is really Larry Jackowski, who has the following:
. web site: http://www.jackanapes.ws
and
. forum: http://www.voy.com/20630/
we find very distinct parallels to what Jesus said to Satan:
Jesus said of Satan, "He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because
there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father
of it" (John 8:44). Satan is a clever liar. In fact, many of his lies sound like the truth. He plays with our
minds to confuse us. He lies about the biggest subject of all - God. Satan wants to deceive you about
God. If he can distort your idea of God, then beyond the shadow of any doubt he has you in
everything else.Jesus said of Satan, "He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the
truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar,
and the father of it" (John 8:44). Satan is a clever liar. In fact, many of his lies sound like the truth. He
plays with our minds to confuse us. He lies about the biggest subject of all - God. Satan wants to
deceive you about God. If he can distort your idea of God, then beyond the shadow of any doubt he
has you in everything else.
As Christians, I would advise you to be aware of this person, and those around him. They have
slandered many a unknowing Christians, and are actively trying to pull down many of faith. The
following Scriptures and commentaries come to mind.
How to Spot a Counterfeit
http://76.162.173.93/guest/ar-mp3/ar-how-to-spot-a-counterfeit.mp3
2 Peter 2:1
But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you.
They will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, and will
bring swift destruction on themselves.
Kurt Gavin
"Joy Oink" <jo_2...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:KtqdnVMmy55t46Pb...@giganews.com...
> . web site: http://www.jackanapes.ws
Good website, and that sign: "If Jesus returns, kill him again". Wow.
Did you make that up? Is that you holding the sign?
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> satan via a sockpuppet (demon) wrote:
> > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >
> >>"All things will be forgiven except blaspheming ME." -- Holy Spirit
Amen.
> >"Is Dr. Andy misquoting me again?"-- satan via a sockpuppet (demon)
>
>
> LoL!
"Written laughter is silent despair." -- Holy Spirit
Amen.
Your despair simply shows that you remain convicted by the Holy
Spirit:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts
Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,
purpurroterwald
news:1178503919....@e65g2000hsc.googlegroups.com:
> convicted neigbor Randy (®andy) wrote:
>> satan via a sockpuppet (demon) wrote:
>> > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>> >
>> >>"All things will be forgiven except blaspheming ME." -- Holy Spirit
>
> Amen.
Get a load of Chung replying to his own words. TFF
I didn't clip any lines up there (although I clipped the rest of the shit
that followed); that's exactly how he posted it.
Stephen Knight
<lo...@thetruth.com> wrote:
>convicted neighbor FR wrote:
>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>>
>> > "All things will be forgiven except blaspheming ME." -- Holy Spirit
>
>Amen.
>
>> then why do you do it constantly by pretending to speak for this Holy
>> Spirit?
>
>Pretending is not my style.
No. Straight out psychopathic lying, bullshit and pure ignorance
is.
If I stuffed my Glock down your throat and demanded a coherent
statement, you'd recite scripture... bang.
You have nothing and never will.
Warlord Steve
BAAWA
bob young
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" wrote:
> brother ^^^Sog wrote:
> >
> > This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the
> > flesh. For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the
> > flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the
> > things that ye would. But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the
> > law. Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery,
> > fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, *hatred,
> > *variance, emulations, *wrath, *strife, *seditions, *heresies, *Envyings,
> > murders, drunkenness, *revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you
> > before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things
> > shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
> >
> > (Galatians 5:16-21)
> >
> > I have also told you in time past,
> >
> > that they which do such things
> >
> > shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
>
> "All things will be forgiven except blaspheming ME." -- Holy Spirit
So it talks does it?
When?
Not in the last thousand 'verifiable' years it hasn't, but conveniently so far
back nothing can be verified.
I assume you do not claim that your religionm is, inter alia,
an 'intelligent' one?
bob young
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" wrote:
> convicted neigbor Randy (°andy) wrote:
> > satan via a sockpuppet (demon) wrote:
> > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > >
> > >>"All things will be forgiven except blaspheming ME." -- Holy Spirit
>
> Amen.
>
> > >"Is Dr. Andy misquoting me again?"-- satan via a sockpuppet (demon)
> >
> >
> > LoL!
>
> "Written laughter is silent despair." -- Holy Spirit
Not when one laughs at things like this it isn't:
The universe revolves around the earth.
Stars are pinpricks in the heavens.
The world is flat (and on pillars)
Bats are a kind of bird.
Rabbits chew their cud.
There is enough water to flood the entire planet
Women were created from a man's rib
Rainbows are a promise from God
[Acknowledgements to 'James, Seattle']
Father Haskell
> "Joy Oink" <jo_22...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
That's jebus himself, after a trip to the barber's. Notice
the resemblance?
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > brother ^^^Sog wrote:
> > >
> > > This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the
> > > flesh. For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the
> > > flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the
> > > things that ye would. But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the
> > > law. Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery,
> > > fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, *hatred,
> > > *variance, emulations, *wrath, *strife, *seditions, *heresies, *Envyings,
> > > murders, drunkenness, *revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you
> > > before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things
> > > shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
> > >
> > > (Galatians 5:16-21)
> > >
> > > I have also told you in time past,
> > >
> > > that they which do such things
> > >
> > > shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
> >
> > "All things will be forgiven except blaspheming ME." -- Holy Spirit
Amen.
> So it talks does it?
HE can speak when HE chooses to speak (read Acts).
This is not HIS style however.
HE typically guides, comforts, confers, and convicts.
> When?
When HE wants to.
> Not in the last thousand 'verifiable' years it hasn't, but conveniently so far
> back nothing can be verified.
What HE guides me to write here is verifiable:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit
HIS comforting Jesus' brethren is verifiable:
The knowledge that HE confers is verifiable:
http://TruthRUS.org/DreadNought
Whom HE convicts is also verifiable:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts
> I assume you do not claim that your religionm is, inter alia,
> an 'intelligent' one?
There is no intelligence in religion.
On the other hand, the Holy Spirit is infinitely intelligent.
Indeed, GOD is the Source of all knowledge, wisdom, and intelligence.
The Holy Spirit is GOD.
The brethren of LORD Jesus Christ are neither perfect (i.e. without
past sins) nor more special...
... we are simply forgiven by GOD:
http://www.interviewwithgod.com/forgiven/
May you wisely find the way to be forgiven too:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/TheWay
bob young
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" wrote:
Aaaaaah a real live demi-god.
Nothing new in that though ?!
Who was it said "Religion is all about arrogance and power to the individual, at the
behest of the masses"
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
No.
HE is GOD.
> Nothing new in that though ?!
HE has been GOD from the beginning.
> Who was it said "Religion is all about arrogance and power to the individual, at the
> behest of the masses"
Non sequitur.
It remains my choice to refrain from being religious.
Joy Oink
"purpurroterwald" <pur...@negative.forest> wrote in message news:A9928...@A23847.BF7C9165E390AA2D...
Kurt Gavin
GODEATER
"Joy Oink" <jo_2...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:KtqdnVMmy55t46Pb...@giganews.com...
>
> "Father Haskell" <father...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1178496397.5...@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
>> On May 6, 12:06 pm, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <l...@thetruth.com>
>> wrote:
>>> "All things will be forgiven except blaspheming ME." -- Holy Spirit
>>>
>>> Amen.
>>
>> It's okay to call christians morons. God said so.
> Father Haskell is one of those ilks from the
> alt.flame.jesus.christ newsgroup, which is an
> abomination.
>
> Look at these web sites that they sponsor:
> Larry Jackowski (aka St. Jackanapes) is a slanderer.
>
> Looking into the purpose of: the newsgroup: alt.flame.jesus.christ and the
> "self professed" moderator:
> Alias St. Jackanapes who is really Larry Jackowski, who has the following:
>
GODEATER
YOU HAVE BEEN REPORTED TO THE PROPER AUTHORITYS.YOU REMIND ME OF THAT PSYCHO
IN VT.
YOU NEED TO BE LOCKED UP BEFORE YOU HURT SOMEONE.
WE DONT CARE IF YOU HURT YOURSELF-PLAY IN THE TRAFFIC.
NOW,GO SUCK THE COCK OF CHRIST,BOY!
jl
wrote:
> convicted neighbor JLS wrote:
>
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
>
>
> > >http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/daf995cd3827c787?
>
> > > It remains my choice to receive the guidance of the Holy Spirit
> > > in everything I say, do, and write.
>
> > Well, I hope you don't receive the holy spirit the way Mary did.
>
> Mary received into her uterus the Christ pre-implantation embryo from
> the Holy Spirit and not HIS guidance.
The way I read it the Holy Spirit provided a sperm; Mary provided the
egg.
This copulation between mortal and god producing a "messiah" occurred
in many religions before the Christian religion.
So you believe in the immaculate conception and virgin birth? Belief
in a flat earth and that the sun revolves around the earth is just as
logical.
>
> > You might get knocked up.
>
> Don't have a uterus.
>
> Bottomline: You are untruthful.
Andy, have a sense of humor.
>
> Your untruthfulness simply shows that you remain convicted by the Holy
> Spirit:
>
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts
>
> Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,
Well, damn, if I'm going to be "convicted," I demand due process of
law, including right to counsel. WTH kind of "awesome love" is that
to be convicted without even a trial?
>
> Andrew <><
> --
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhDhttp://EmoryCardiology.com
Archie Leach
>convicted neigbor Randy (®andy) wrote:
>> Archie Leach boldly wrote:
>> > Andrew, "allegedly" in the Holy Spirit, but shitting his pants in cowardice, wrote:
>> >
>> >>"All things will be forgiven except blaspheming ME." -- Holy Spirit
>
>Amen.
>
>> >"Is Dr. Andy misquoting me again?"-- Holy Spirit
>>
>>
>> LoL!
>
>"Written laughter is silent despair." -- Holy Spirit
>
>Amen.
>
>Your despair simply shows that you remain convicted by the Holy
>Spirit:
>
>http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts
>
>Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,
>
>Andrew <><
I fear God's judgement. I fear excommunication from the Catholic
Church.
I DON'T fear the judgement of a mentally ill false prophet such as
yourself. Being D3M0N1Z3D by you is about as damning as having your
buddy Phred Phelps picket my funeral.
Daedalus
Yay Archie! My fellow minion of Satan.
Jade
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > convicted neighbor JLS wrote:
> > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >
> > > >http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/daf995cd3827c787?
> >
> > > > It remains my choice to receive the guidance of the Holy Spirit
> > > > in everything I say, do, and write.
> >
> > > Well, I hope you don't receive the holy spirit the way Mary did.
> >
> > Mary received into her uterus the Christ pre-implantation embryo from
> > the Holy Spirit and not HIS guidance.
>
> The way I read it the Holy Spirit provided a sperm;
Such are the readings of those without a discerning heart from GOD ...
... meaningless (Ecclesiastes).
The Holy Spirit remains non-corporeal (without a body). Sperm is
corporeal (a product of the body).
LORD Jesus Christ was begotten not made from the very beginning.
HIS body was fashioned as per the two distinct geneologies given
(Matthew and Luke) so that the Word of GOD became flesh in the form of
a pre-implantation embryo that the Holy Spirit carried into the uterus
of the virgin Mary.
> Mary provided the egg.
She provided the virgin uterus foreshadowing the virgin garden tomb of
HIS resurrection.
> This copulation between mortal and god producing a "messiah" occurred
> in many religions before the Christian religion.
The distinction would be that Holy Spirit remains non-corporeal.
> So you believe in the immaculate conception and virgin birth?
In the Holy Spirit, I know that the method by which Mary became
pregnant is as HE has guided me to write.
> Belief
> in a flat earth and that the sun revolves around the earth is just as
> logical.
Non sequitur because nothing in the Bible would lead the discerning to
believe either that the earth is flat or that the sun revolves around
the earth.
Those with hearts made discerning by the Holy Spirit are masters of
logic:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/discern.asp
May GOD bless you.
Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,
Andrew <><
Kurt Gavin
Phony story from the "virgin" birth to supposed rising from the dead.
Entirely phony.
Fatwa Dakkash
>In the Holy Spirit, I know that the method by which Mary became
>pregnant is as HE has guided me to write.
So you're saying that you're a prophet?
That seems like a bit of a prophetic statement to me.
tr...@is-better.com
believe either that the earth is flat or that the sun revolves around
the earth."
'The Flat-Earth Bible.'
http://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/febible.htm
The above is full of scripture suggesting both a flat earth and the sun
moves about it. One example, recall that joshua speaks of the sun
stopping in its movement.
"Those with hearts made discerning by the Holy Spirit are masters of
logic:"" "
Given the assertion of the logic of the statement above, the web pages
full of scriptural references demands by its own logic that the Holy
Spirit at least in one person has not made a discerning heart.
Scripture also has something to say about boosters.
God bless.
Pastor Dave
>"Non sequitur because nothing in the Bible would lead the discerning to
>believe either that the earth is flat or that the sun revolves around
>the earth."
In other words, you're an idiot who spent five minutes
researching the issue. Goodbye.
--
Pastor Dave
Tragedy is a tool for the living to gain wisdom.
not a guide, by which to live. - Robert Kennedy
Kurt Gavin
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> "Non sequitur because nothing in the Bible would lead the discerning to
> believe either that the earth is flat or that the sun revolves around
> the earth."
You stupid ass.
1 Chronicles 16:30: “He has fixed the earth firm, immovable.”
Psalm 93:1: “Thou hast fixed the earth immovable and firm ...”
Psalm 96:10: “He has fixed the earth firm, immovable ...”
Psalm 104:5: “Thou didst fix the earth on its foundation so that it never
can be shaken.”
Isaiah 45:18: “...who made the earth and fashioned it, and himself fixed
it fast...”
The flatness of the earth's surface is required by verses like Daniel
4:10-11.
In Daniel, the king “saw a tree of great height at the centre of the
earth...reaching with its top to the sky and visible to the earth's farthest
bounds.” If the earth were flat, a sufficiently tall tree would be visible
to “the earth's farthest bounds,” but this is impossible on a spherical
earth.
In describing the temptation of Jesus by Satan, Matthew 4:8 says, “Once
again, the devil took him to a very high mountain, and showed him all the
kingdoms of the world [cosmos] in their glory.” Obviously, this would be
possible only if the earth were flat. The same is true of Revelation 1:7:
“Behold, he is coming with the clouds! Every eye shall see him...”
St. Jackanapes
In alt.flame.jesus.christ, purpurroterwald said...
LOL! His "diet" must be having an effect on his cognitive abilities. You
should see a doctor, Dr. Chung. One with hospital privileges.
--
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Ordained Minister & Holy Saint of The Universal Life Church
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Smiler
"Stephen Knight" <woo...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> On 6 May 2007 13:16:37 -0700, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
> <lo...@thetruth.com> wrote:
>
>>convicted neighbor FR wrote:
>>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>>>
>>> > "All things will be forgiven except blaspheming ME." -- Holy Spirit
>>
>>Amen.
>>
>>> then why do you do it constantly by pretending to speak for this Holy
>>> Spirit?
>>
>>Pretending is not my style.
>
> No. Straight out psychopathic lying, bullshit and pure ignorance
> is.
>
> If I stuffed my Glock down your throat
Oh. Glock!
I must get a new pair of specs.
Smiler,
The godless one
bob young
Archie Leach wrote:
> "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lov...@thetruth.com> wrote:
>
> >convicted neigbor Randy (°andy) wrote:
> >> Archie Leach boldly wrote:
> >> > Andrew, "allegedly" in the Holy Spirit, but shitting his pants in cowardice, wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>"All things will be forgiven except blaspheming ME." -- Holy Spirit
> >
> >Amen.
> >
> >> >"Is Dr. Andy misquoting me again?"-- Holy Spirit
> >>
> >>
> >> LoL!
> >
> >"Written laughter is silent despair." -- Holy Spirit
> >
> >Amen.
> >
> >Your despair simply shows that you remain convicted by the Holy
> >Spirit:
> >
> >http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts
> >
> >Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,
> >
> >Andrew <><
>
> I fear God's judgement. I fear excommunication from the Catholic
> Church.
Wow - the rest of humanity [sic] has done a good job on your brain, I can see
>
>
> I DON'T fear the judgement of a mentally ill false prophet such as
> yourself. Being D3M0N1Z3D by you is about as damning as having your
> buddy Phred Phelps picket my funeral.
To grovel to an imaginary god because some other human told you to
also gets YOU very close to being mentally ill
bob young
Mine too and I took it about fifty five years ago
- it was then reinforced everywhere i went, Africa, Asia, Europe
There I found other beliefs, different to my early Christianity but in many other ways
similar, WHY I ask? Because they are all man made - that's why most of them have a
devil, a hell and a heaven.
time to grow up IMO
flyingrat
He does seem to think, in his schizophrenic state, that he has the right
to speak for God. Unfortunately he just wants to remain in his delusions
and spray hatred everywhere, whilst thinking he has a God-given right to
abuse.
he either needs serious therapy, psychotropic drugs or a bullet between
the eyes. Or all three to be sure. His worshipping of Fred Phelps might
just earn him the latter.
FR
Kurt Gavin
"bob young" <alasp...@netvigator.com> wrote in message
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True. And any supreme intelligence, assuming one exists, would have nothing
but contempt for brainless grovellers.
In the afterlife, the grovellers will be made slaves of ahteists, whom god
sees as worthy because they use the brains that god gave them.
A supreme cosmic joke on the jesus assholes.
>
>
Kadaitcha Man
bloodsuckers. Ye crowed:
> any supreme intelligence, assuming one exists, would have
> nothing but contempt for brainless grovellers<BITCHSLAP>
Logic error. Only a supreme intelligence would know if a supreme
intelligence would or would not have anything but contempt for brainless
grovellers.
HTH, you dumbfuck cunt.
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of<tmld3.s...@news.alt.net>:
> Kurt Gavin <bugg...@s.com> Thou fairy motion. Thou knot of damned
> bloodsuckers. Ye crowed:
>
> > any supreme intelligence, assuming one exists, would have
> > nothing but contempt for brainless grovellers<BITCHSLAP>
>
> Logic error. Only a supreme intelligence would know if a supreme
> intelligence would or would not have anything but contempt for
brainless
> grovellers.
>
> HTH, you dumbfuck cunt.
>
Could Jebus make a being so intelligent he himself could not grok it?
Hmmm...
Kurt Gavin
"Kadaitcha Man" <nntp...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Kurt Gavin <bugg...@s.com> Thou fairy motion. Thou knot of damned
> bloodsuckers. Ye crowed:
>
>> any supreme intelligence, assuming one exists, would have
>> nothing but contempt for brainless grovellers<BITCHSLAP>
>
> Logic error. Only a supreme intelligence would know if a supreme
> intelligence would or would not have anything but contempt for brainless
> grovellers.
>
> HTH, you dumbfuck cunt.
Idiot - eat shit and die.
bob young
Kurt Gavin wrote:
'Shit' is what would no doubt materialise out of his ass
were he ever to pick up the courage to call someone 'Dumbfuck' to his face
Strange how these n.g.'s bring out the worst in some