Let's have an oldie shall we? Remember Chung being fired from his one and only job? Chung lied about that too
Flying Rat Convict #42
From: ROCKETMAN51...@aol.com
Date: 10/04/2001 11:18 AM
To: and...@heartmdphd.com
Dr. Chung:
Any comments I make at this time are mine alone and do not necessarily
reflect the views of CFHC.
After going through this difficult time with you, I understand that you
are probably not interested in anything I have to say. Also, I believe
what I do say will probably be twisted or interpreted by you to suit
your purposes. For that reason I will be as direct and declarative as
possible.
Your website comments about cardiology in Ocala, FL are detractions and
border on slander. These are legal terms, and one of the important
features of them is that the comments are published. Your website
fulfills that requirement. Now just reflect on the fact that you are the
only one to make such insinuations or allegations. Any reasonable person
seeing these things may justifiably conclude that it is you that is out
of step, not the other 15 or 20 cardiologists in Ocala. As I have in the
past, I am trying to get you to see the reality of the situation from
outside your head. You have chosen to ignore the
good advice I tried to give while you were here. I hope you will soon
realize you are doing yourself more harm than good by publishing your
dispute. It would be better to let it go, before your reputation suffers
more.
Speaking of reputations, I have spent 35 years building mine. I can call
on physicians from around the world and this community to attest to it.
I can also call upon the many physicians I trained to do cardiac
catheterization (over 25 years) to offer a positive opinion about my
work. You can't. Being just out of training, you have no reputation
except the one you have just established here in Ocala. You are
continuing to establish your reputation by publishing your website. How
do you think what you have said would look to another physician-perhaps
an employer- when he reads it? Do you think he or anyone would conclude
that you are a reputable physician, easy to work with and a team player?
Personally, if I find that you speak disparagingly of me, or my work to
any patient or physician, be assured I will not take the matter lightly.
Whatever you think of me personally, or whatever you think of my
professional activity, you do not have the right to condemn either me or
the work to another and thereby compromise my reputation. You may
disagree with me, or state we have a difference of opinion, but you may
not state that I am practicing less that optimum cardiology. Once again,
if I find that you have done so (and I hope it has not happened yet) I
will certainly take the matter to the State Board of Medicine for a
hearing. If the Florida State Board finds cause, and renders a censure,
that must be transmitted to all other State Boards on your next and all
future applications for licensure. And once again, just common sense
should tell you that hitting back in your situation is counterproductive
and could be disastrous for you. But as I told you face to face, you may
have great book smarts, but your actions have shown that you have no
common sense that permits you to operate successfully in a professional
community. And, once again, I will tell you what I did before, you do
not operate in a vacuum. Your practice, wherever it may be, must be
according to the community standard, regardless of what you perceive
that to be. And an attitude that you vocalized by saying that you were
unable to change the community standard in Ocala speaks loudly and
clearly about your perception of reality and your inability to work with
your colleagues.
Dr. Chung, I urgently advise you to let the past go. Look to your future
which could be bright. If you persist in these efforts of hitting back
and trying to justify your actions to a world that looks upon such
attempts as childish or immature and unprofessional, you will continue
to do yourself a disservice. You lost your job because you talked
yourself out of it.
Frank Hildner MD
f...@orgren.org
Taken from
http://groups.google.co.uk/group/alt.support.diabetes/msg/d559bc684dd89f
72?hl=en&
ark right
It would appear that his dismissal could have played a significant role in
his current state.
"Flying Rat Convict #42" <m...@privacy.net> wrote in message
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The Great Wok
What's all the more disturbing, is that this damaged überko0k (Chunk)
actually posted this private e-mail HIMSELF, as if it proved that *he*
was in the right when he got kicked to the curb.
I like the part where Quackie implies he was *replacing* this decrepit
old doctor, when actually Dr. Hildner is a founding fellow and former
president of the Society for Cardiovascular Angiography and
Interventions, a 3700-member cardiologist organization that teh Chunk
appears to have no affiliation with.
Dr. Frank Hildner is a well-respected and noted member of the
cardiology community. The same has never been said about our little
Andy.
Flying Rat Convict #42
sheila...@yahoo.com says...
> What's all the more disturbing, is that this damaged überko0k (Chunk)
> actually posted this private e-mail HIMSELF, as if it proved that *he*
> was in the right when he got kicked to the curb.
>
shame.
That is also why Chunk the Demonic was back here within hours of his
latest Armageddon not happening, posting the same old cut-and-paste
garbage he gets from cable TV God channels.
Chung posted that email because his line was "everyone is lying except
me". Which follows through to today's garbage about everyone being
"convicted" except him or those he personally approves of (his socks
mainly).
He also can't feel any shame related to hounding Bob Pastorio and
spamming the blog of a cancer victim. Every post he makes just confirms
it, he's schizo and a sociopath.
FR
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Subject: Your Website
Many thanks, much praise, and all the glory to GOD for HIS compelling
you to repost this veiled threat from my retired
colleague Dr. Frank Hildner who was upset about the disclosure of the
details of their failed attempt to coerce me to falsify the medical
records of my patients:
http://heartmdphd.com/Truth.asp
Now in 2007, which is more than 5 years later, GOD's blessing of a
thriving private practice remains a testament to HIS righteousness
conferred upon all who seek out and do HIS perfect will.
Laus Deo ! ! !
GOD's will be done and not my will.
Clearly you remain convicted by the Holy Spirit:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts
May you wisely choose to surrender to HIM by publicly declaring with
your mouth that "Jesus is LORD:"
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/TheWay
Tragically, dear Bob Pastorio, who remains in my prayers, now serves
as an example for you as to what happens to those who unwisely put off
the Holy Spirit:
http://bobs-amanuensis.livejournal.com/4211.html
May GOD continue to heal our hearts with HIS living water so that we
can love our neighbors a little more and LORD Jesus Christ a whole lot
more, dear neighbor FR whom I love unconditionally.
Prayerfully in Jesus' everlasting love,
Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
http://EmoryCardiology.com
Pastor Kutchie
wrote:
You mean his failed attempts to correct your clinical incompetence.
> http://heartmdphd.com/Truth.asp
>
> Now in 2007, which is more than 5 years later, GOD's blessing of a
> thriving private practice remains a testament to HIS righteousness
> conferred upon all who seek out and do HIS perfect will.
>
Whose "thriving private practice" would that be? It certainly isn't
yours.
> Laus Deo ! ! !
>
> GOD's will be done and not my will.
>
It's no use trying to deflect the blame, God is busy procreating
himself. He cannot deal with anything else.
> Clearly you remain convicted by the Holy Spirit:
>
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts
>
Now, if there were a Holy Spirit as you claim, the only person guilty
of blaspheming it is you.
> May you wisely choose to surrender to HIM by publicly declaring with
> your mouth that "Jesus is LORD:"
>
Jesus is LORD????
>
> Tragically, dear Bob Pastorio, who remains in my prayers, now serves
> as an example for you as to what happens to those who unwisely put off
> the Holy Spirit:
>
> http://bobs-amanuensis.livejournal.com/4211.html
>
You're definitely a psychopath, Andy.
> May GOD continue to heal our hearts with HIS living water so that we
> can love our neighbors a little more and LORD Jesus Christ a whole lot
> more, dear neighbor FR whom I love unconditionally.
>
Yada yada...
> Prayerfully in Jesus' everlasting love,
>
> Andrew <><
Written fish remains silent flatulence.
Al
No fancy words or logic from me Chunk. Only my unchanged position that
you are truly a fucking convicted whacko.
Please continue to make us all laugh at you and your lies.
ark right
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lov...@thetruth.com> wrote in message
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"childish or immature and unprofessional"....
Looks like this Dr. Hildner knew you quite well. :-)
Mark K. Bilbo
> Now in 2007, which is more than 5 years later, GOD's blessing of a
> thriving private practice
You must be talking about somebody else's practice...
--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
------------------------------------------------------------
"The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace
alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing
it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary."
- H. L. Mencken
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
> > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/8e6ada291e5c3922?
>
> No fancy words or logic from me Chunk. Only my unchanged position that
> you are truly a fucking convicted whacko.
Name-calling simply shows that you remain lost:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/dream.asp
> Please continue to make us all laugh at you and your lies.
It remains my choice to continue writing truthfully.
May GOD bless you mightily.
Prayerfully in Jesus' ever-lasting love,
Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
http://EmoryCardiology.com
May HIS immortal brethren pray for our dying mortal friends and
neighbors:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts
Especially dear Bob(this one) Pastorio:
http://bobs-amanuensis.livejournal.com/4211.html
http://pics.livejournal.com/bobs_amanuensis/pic/0000z24f/g1
Epinephrine
Thanks.
"Flying Rat Convict #42" <m...@privacy.net> wrote in message
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Mu
1)I have no idea if this is authentic or not.
2) They disagree, so what?
3) I have heard Chung's side of the so-called "story" and he is doing
now what he wants to do and wanted to do then.
4) The part about the "calling on physicians" is a lie.
5) As is the lack of common sense.
6) As is the lack of being able to operate professionally
7) As is.....look, authentic or not, I stopped at Lie 3.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> My thoughts are as follows:
>
> 1)I have no idea if this is authentic or not.
> 2) They disagree, so what?
> 3) I have heard Chung's side of the so-called "story" and he is doing
> now what he wants to do and wanted to do then.
> 4) The part about the "calling on physicians" is a lie.
> 5) As is the lack of common sense.
> 6) As is the lack of being able to operate professionally
> 7) As is.....look, authentic or not, I stopped at Lie 3.
It was an actual posting from Dr. Frank Hildner (may GOD bless him)
that he made on the HeartMDPhD.com web site.
Here are my comments about it:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/Frank
May GOD bless you.
Prayerfully in Jesus' ever-lasting love,
Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
http://EmoryCardiology.com
May HIS immortal brethren pray for our dying mortal friends and
neighbors:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts
In memory of our dearly departed Bob(this one) Pastorio:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/Bob
As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the
unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies
(Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17).
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love
The Official SMC FAQ List:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/TheTruth/FAQ
Art Deco
>My thoughts are as follows:
>
>1)I have no idea if this is authentic or not.
>2) They disagree, so what?
>3) I have heard Chung's side of the so-called "story" and he is doing
>now what he wants to do and wanted to do then.
>4) The part about the "calling on physicians" is a lie.
>5) As is the lack of common sense.
>6) As is the lack of being able to operate professionally
>7) As is.....look, authentic or not, I stopped at Lie 3.
Yes, you are clueless. Chung himself posted it.
--
Supreme Leader of the Brainwashed Followers of Art Deco
"Still suffering from reading comprehension problems, Deco?
The section is clearly attributed to Art Deco, not to you, Deco."
-- Dr. David Tholen
"Who is "David Tholen", Daedalus? Still suffering from
attribution problems?"
-- Dr. David Tholen
Father Haskell
<ach...@emorycardiology.com> wrote:
> It was an actual posting from Dr. Frank Hildner (may GOD bless him)
> that he made on the HeartMDPhD.com web site.
2PD of heavily used kitty litter.
Mu
> brother Mu wrote:
>> My thoughts are as follows:
>>
>> 1)I have no idea if this is authentic or not.
>> 2) They disagree, so what?
>> 3) I have heard Chung's side of the so-called "story" and he is doing
>> now what he wants to do and wanted to do then.
>> 4) The part about the "calling on physicians" is a lie.
>> 5) As is the lack of common sense.
>> 6) As is the lack of being able to operate professionally
>> 7) As is.....look, authentic or not, I stopped at Lie 3.
>
> It was an actual posting from Dr. Frank Hildner (may GOD bless him)
> that he made on the HeartMDPhD.com web site.
Thanks, the authenticity is determined.
Mu
> It was an actual posting from Dr. Frank Hildner (may GOD bless him)
> that he made on the HeartMDPhD.com web site.
> Here are my comments about it:
>
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/Frank
>
> May GOD bless you.
>
> Prayerfully in Jesus' ever-lasting love,
>
> Andrew <><
Corporate medicine at its "finest". I remember now our conversations
about th corporate medicine.
It was around the time we first met and I had gone to the Atlanta
Cardiology Group conglomerate. I was nearing 200 lbs and was having
continuing chest weirdness and got this friendly doctor who spent about
fifteen minutes with me ordering up tests, a treadmill was one, echo,
etc.. I don't necessarily think he was out of bounds with these tests.
I was uncomfortable with the whole situation since I was referred by a
physician who knew about my long standing success with training athletes
for max performance. Several relevant questions were ignored or treated
lightly.
Enter Usenet and that is where I found you.
Yes, I remember well the Ocala conversations.
The Antichung
As is the fact that Hildner was telling the truth, as everything he
says in that letter is in accordance with Chung's behaviour here in
Usenet, and his implicit psychological profile, which renders him
unemployable within a collaborative framework.
I'd call that "Bang to rights", and the fact that Chung doesn't see
that the letter demonstrates what almost all of us have discerned
about him, also demonstrates his serious personality disorder.
Unless you truly are a sock, Mu, and you certainly don't seem to be,
you will not evade Chung's "Convict" list forever.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
> > It was an actual posting from Dr. Frank Hildner (may GOD bless him)
> > that he made on the HeartMDPhD.com web site.
>
> > Here are my comments about it:
> >
> > http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/Frank
>
> about th corporate medicine.
>
> It was around the time we first met and I had gone to the Atlanta
> Cardiology Group conglomerate. I was nearing 200 lbs and was having
> continuing chest weirdness and got this friendly doctor who spent about
> fifteen minutes with me ordering up tests, a treadmill was one, echo,
> etc.. I don't necessarily think he was out of bounds with these tests.
>
> I was uncomfortable with the whole situation since I was referred by a
> physician who knew about my long standing success with training athletes
> for max performance. Several relevant questions were ignored or treated
> lightly.
>
> Enter Usenet and that is where I found you.
>
> Yes, I remember well the Ocala conversations.
Sadly, those who are of this world have rejected the truth, Who is
LORD Jesus Christ.
And, so they remain stricken:
> > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/3f4b969d507ffa38?
May GOD bless you.
Prayerfully in Jesus' ever-lasting love,
Andrew <><
Daedalus
<lov...@thetruth.com> wrote:
>brother Mu wrote:
>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>>
>> > It was an actual posting from Dr. Frank Hildner (may GOD bless him)
>> > that he made on the HeartMDPhD.com web site.
>>
>> > Here are my comments about it:
>> >
>> > http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/Frank
>>
>> Corporate medicine at its "finest". I remember now our conversations
>> about th corporate medicine.
>>
>> It was around the time we first met and I had gone to the Atlanta
>> Cardiology Group conglomerate. I was nearing 200 lbs and was having
>> continuing chest weirdness and got this friendly doctor who spent about
>> fifteen minutes with me ordering up tests, a treadmill was one, echo,
>> etc.. I don't necessarily think he was out of bounds with these tests.
>>
>> I was uncomfortable with the whole situation since I was referred by a
>> physician who knew about my long standing success with training athletes
>> for max performance. Several relevant questions were ignored or treated
>> lightly.
>>
>> Enter Usenet and that is where I found you.
>>
>> Yes, I remember well the Ocala conversations.
>
>Sadly, those who are of this world have rejected the truth, Who is
>LORD Jesus Christ.
I think to prove your theory you should immediately begin smoking
several packs of cigarettes a day and eating anthrax sandwiches to
show us you don't get sick.
Jade
tr...@salt-savour.com
the word of the Lord as to sin sickness and truth:
"If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is
not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us
our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we
have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us."
Art Deco
>On Apr 13, 7:22 am, Mu <nocowinthi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 12 Apr 2007 17:45:26 -0700, Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
>>
>> > brother Mu wrote:
>> >> My thoughts are as follows:
>>
>> >> 1)I have no idea if this is authentic or not.
>> >> 2) They disagree, so what?
>> >> 3) I have heard Chung's side of the so-called "story" and he is doing
>> >> now what he wants to do and wanted to do then.
>> >> 4) The part about the "calling on physicians" is a lie.
>> >> 5) As is the lack of common sense.
>> >> 6) As is the lack of being able to operate professionally
>> >> 7) As is.....look, authentic or not, I stopped at Lie 3.
>>
>> > It was an actual posting from Dr. Frank Hildner (may GOD bless him)
>> > that he made on the HeartMDPhD.com web site.
>>
>> Thanks, the authenticity is determined.
And thus showing your assertion that it was a forgery is laughable.
>
>As is the fact that Hildner was telling the truth, as everything he
>says in that letter is in accordance with Chung's behaviour here in
>Usenet, and his implicit psychological profile, which renders him
>unemployable within a collaborative framework.
>
>I'd call that "Bang to rights", and the fact that Chung doesn't see
>that the letter demonstrates what almost all of us have discerned
>about him, also demonstrates his serious personality disorder.
>
>Unless you truly are a sock, Mu, and you certainly don't seem to be,
>you will not evade Chung's "Convict" list forever.
His dedication to slurping Chung is so profound that it is possible he
will never make it onto the Chunk list of hate.
Art Deco
Epinephrine
"Mu" <nocowi...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> My thoughts are as follows:
>
> 1)I have no idea if this is authentic or not.
The fact that you find the contents of the letter, unfortunately, made you
question its authenticity.
> 2) They disagree, so what?
The disagreement cost him his job - that's what! A disagreement on usenet,
does not.
> 3) I have heard Chung's side of the so-called "story" and he is doing
> now what he wants to do and wanted to do then.
Antics that work on usenet do not work in real life. The fact remains that
Chung
> 4) The part about the "calling on physicians" is a lie.
So you are accusing the author of the letter a liar?
> 5) As is the lack of common sense.
"Any reasonable person seeing these things may justifiably conclude that it
is you that is out of step, not the other 15 or 20 cardiologists in Ocala."
Sounds like common sense to me.
> 6) As is the lack of being able to operate professionally
It would appear that this trait of Chung remains ingrained in his activities
on usenet too.
> 7) As is.....look, authentic or not, I stopped at Lie 3.
The letter was dated 2001. Unfortunately Dr Hildner's wise words and
advice were not heeded. Chung has failed in life and he has only himself to
blame. Disagreeing with other folks on usenet is all he has got left going.
Sad.
Don Kirkman
article <1176425126....@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>:
>brother Mu wrote:
>> My thoughts are as follows:
>> 1)I have no idea if this is authentic or not.
>> 2) They disagree, so what?
>> 3) I have heard Chung's side of the so-called "story" and he is doing
>> now what he wants to do and wanted to do then.
>> 4) The part about the "calling on physicians" is a lie.
>> 5) As is the lack of common sense.
>> 6) As is the lack of being able to operate professionally
>> 7) As is.....look, authentic or not, I stopped at Lie 3.
>It was an actual posting from Dr. Frank Hildner (may GOD bless him)
>that he made on the HeartMDPhD.com web site.
Actual posts to Web sites do not have email addresses and headers like
those on the original version of this message which you posted to the
Internet.
The remnants of those headers are still visible in what FR posted above:
[S]ubject: Your Website
From: ROCKETMAN51...@aol.com
Date: 10/04/2001 11:18 AM
To: and...@heartmdphd.com
Frank Hildner MD
f...@orgren.org
--
Don Kirkman
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >brother Mu wrote:
> >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >>
> >> > It was an actual posting from Dr. Frank Hildner (may GOD bless him)
> >> > that he made on the HeartMDPhD.com web site.
> >>
> >> > Here are my comments about it:
> >> >
> >> > http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/Frank
> >>
> >> Corporate medicine at its "finest". I remember now our conversations
> >> about th corporate medicine.
> >>
> >> It was around the time we first met and I had gone to the Atlanta
> >> Cardiology Group conglomerate. I was nearing 200 lbs and was having
> >> continuing chest weirdness and got this friendly doctor who spent about
> >> fifteen minutes with me ordering up tests, a treadmill was one, echo,
> >> etc.. I don't necessarily think he was out of bounds with these tests.
> >>
> >> I was uncomfortable with the whole situation since I was referred by a
> >> physician who knew about my long standing success with training athletes
> >> for max performance. Several relevant questions were ignored or treated
> >> lightly.
> >>
> >> Enter Usenet and that is where I found you.
> >>
> >> Yes, I remember well the Ocala conversations.
> >
> >Sadly, those who are of this world have rejected the truth, Who is
> >LORD Jesus Christ.
>
> I think to prove your theory
This would be an observation and not a theory.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
> >> My thoughts are as follows:
>
> >> 1)I have no idea if this is authentic or not.
> >> 2) They disagree, so what?
> >> 3) I have heard Chung's side of the so-called "story" and he is doing
> >> now what he wants to do and wanted to do then.
> >> 4) The part about the "calling on physicians" is a lie.
> >> 5) As is the lack of common sense.
> >> 6) As is the lack of being able to operate professionally
> >> 7) As is.....look, authentic or not, I stopped at Lie 3.
>
> >It was an actual posting from Dr. Frank Hildner (may GOD bless him)
> >that he made on the HeartMDPhD.com web site.
>
> Actual posts to Web sites do not have email addresses and headers like
> those on the original version of this message which you posted to the
> Internet.
That would depend on the input "form" used for any given web site.
Art Deco
another email address spewed:
Snip-n-run, the refuge of the coward.
Epinephrine
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <ach...@emorycardiology.com> wrote in message
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> It was an actual posting from Dr. Frank Hildner (may GOD bless him)
> that he made on the HeartMDPhD.com web site.
>
> Here are my comments about it:
>
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/Frank
Dr Hildner stated 6 years ago: "Also, I believe what I do say will probably
be twisted or interpreted by you to suit your purposes. "
Source
(<http://groups.google.co.uk/group/alt.support.diabetes/msg/d559bc684dd89f72?hl=en>)
Dr Hildner was right then, and is right now.
Any regrets?
Mu
> On Apr 13, 7:22 am, Mu <nocowinthi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 12 Apr 2007 17:45:26 -0700, Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
>>
>>> brother Mu wrote:
>>>> My thoughts are as follows:
>>
>>>> 1)I have no idea if this is authentic or not.
>>>> 2) They disagree, so what?
>>>> 3) I have heard Chung's side of the so-called "story" and he is doing
>>>> now what he wants to do and wanted to do then.
>>>> 4) The part about the "calling on physicians" is a lie.
>>>> 5) As is the lack of common sense.
>>>> 6) As is the lack of being able to operate professionally
>>>> 7) As is.....look, authentic or not, I stopped at Lie 3.
>>
>>> It was an actual posting from Dr. Frank Hildner (may GOD bless him)
>>> that he made on the HeartMDPhD.com web site.
>>
>> Thanks, the authenticity is determined.
>
> As is the fact that Hildner was telling the truth,
Nope just that the letter was authentic, the rest is your extrapolation
from one fact, authenticity.
> as everything he
> says in that letter is in accordance with Chung's behaviour here in
> Usenet, and his implicit psychological profile, which renders him
> unemployable within a collaborative framework.
And 1 and 1 make 3.
> I'd call that "Bang to rights", and the fact that Chung doesn't see
> that the letter demonstrates what almost all of us have discerned
> about him, also demonstrates his serious personality disorder.
All that from a letter which I have already pointed out was packed with
lies and innuendos lacking Truth.
> Unless you truly are a sock, Mu, and you certainly don't seem to be,
> you will not evade Chung's "Convict" list forever.
I'm not concerned about Chung's convict list, it means nothing to me if
I am on it or not.
Art Deco
Mu
> "Mu" <nocowi...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:wc9bjcgz6v5m$.161k3ifsfcgun.dlg@40tude.net...
>> My thoughts are as follows:
>>
>> 1)I have no idea if this is authentic or not.
>
> The fact that you find the contents of the letter, unfortunately, made you
> question its authenticity.
>
>> 2) They disagree, so what?
>
> The disagreement cost him his job - that's what!
So?
Mu
>> 4) The part about the "calling on physicians" is a lie.
>
> So you are accusing the author of the letter a liar?
Fully.
Mu
>> 7) As is.....look, authentic or not, I stopped at Lie 3.
On Fri, 13 Apr 2007 21:05:10 +0100, Epinephrine wrote:
> The letter was dated 2001. Unfortunately Dr Hildner's wise words and
> advice were not heeded. Chung has failed in life and he has only himself to
> blame. Disagreeing with other folks on usenet is all he has got left going.
> Sad.
Failed in life has Chung. Maybe he has but you are nothing more than a
kiddie playing with my time and I will have no more of you.
*plonk*
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> satan via a sockpuppet (demon) wrote:
> > brother Mu wrote:
>
> >> My thoughts are as follows:
> >>
> >> 1)I have no idea if this is authentic or not.
> >
> > The fact that you find the contents of the letter, unfortunately, made you
> > question its authenticity.
> >
> >> 2) They disagree, so what?
> >
> > The disagreement cost him his job - that's what!
>
> So?
Suggested reading:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/Frank
Suggested viewing:
http://www.interviewwithgod.com/forgiven
May GOD bless you in HIS mighty way making you hungrier than you have
ever been in your life.
Epinephrine
>>> 2) They disagree, so what?
>>
>> The disagreement cost him his job - that's what!
>
> So?
Huh? The bugger had to flee the state of Florida squealing and howling. LOL
>>> 4) The part about the "calling on physicians" is a lie.
>>
>> So you are accusing the author of the letter a liar?
>
> Fully.
Well that would only make 2 of you that think it is a lie. The rest of us
"Fully" agree with the wise characterization of Chung by Dr Hildner.
>> The letter was dated 2001. Unfortunately Dr Hildner's wise words and
>> advice were not heeded. Chung has failed in life and he has only himself
>> to
>> blame. Disagreeing with other folks on usenet is all he has got left
>> going.
>> Sad.
>
> Failed in life has Chung. Maybe he has.
Thank you for confirming that Chung is a Loser.
> *plonk*
Why am I not surprised. I knew it was getting difficult for you. Chung
fled Florida when the going got tough, and you claim to plonk people when
you lose an argument, to save face. Much in common, I'd say.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
> > It was an actual posting from Dr. Frank Hildner (may GOD bless him)
> > that he made on the HeartMDPhD.com web site.
>
> 2PD of heavily used kitty litter.
That is one way to characterize what Dr. Hildner wrote.
Here is another way:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/Frank
Suggested reading:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/FR
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/Diabetes
May GOD bless you.
Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,
Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Art Deco
Wow, that has to be a record number of replies before the dreaded
muplonk goes down and he runs away.
Phineas T Puddleduck
Art Deco <er...@caballista.org> wrote:
> Mu <nocowi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>> 7) As is.....look, authentic or not, I stopped at Lie 3.
> >
> >On Fri, 13 Apr 2007 21:05:10 +0100, Epinephrine wrote:
> >
> >> The letter was dated 2001. Unfortunately Dr Hildner's wise words and
> >> advice were not heeded. Chung has failed in life and he has only himself
> >> to
> >> blame. Disagreeing with other folks on usenet is all he has got left
> >> going.
> >> Sad.
> >
> >Failed in life has Chung. Maybe he has but you are nothing more than a
> >kiddie playing with my time and I will have no more of you.
> >
> >*plonk*
>
> Wow, that has to be a record number of replies before the dreaded
> muplonk goes down and he runs away.
The mental image is of someone with their fingers in their ears going
"LALALALLALA I CANT HEAR YOU LALALALLALALLALALLA"
--
Got mail? I did ;-) Three and counting.
Got proof? Not yet, still waiting.
Art Deco
another email address spewed:
>convicted neighbor Haskell wrote:
>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>>
>> > It was an actual posting from Dr. Frank Hildner (may GOD bless him)
>> > that he made on the HeartMDPhD.com web site.
>>
>> 2PD of heavily used kitty litter.
>
>That is one way to characterize what Dr. Hildner wrote.
Figured out how the 2-lb fraud diet violates the conservation of energy
yet, Andy?
BLamey
> False prophet Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD <lo...@thetruth.com> with yet
> another email address spewed:
>
>> convicted neighbor Haskell wrote:
>>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>>>
>>>> It was an actual posting from Dr. Frank Hildner (may GOD bless him)
>>>> that he made on the HeartMDPhD.com web site.
>>> 2PD of heavily used kitty litter.
>> That is one way to characterize what Dr. Hildner wrote.
>
> Figured out how the 2-lb fraud diet violates the conservation of energy
> yet, Andy?
>
Silence yerself Gay Duck
Art Deco
Exactly. The question then becomes: why does he bother to post at all?
Phineas T Puddleduck
Art Deco <er...@caballista.org> wrote:
> >
> >The mental image is of someone with their fingers in their ears going
> >"LALALALLALA I CANT HEAR YOU LALALALLALALLALALLA"
>
> Exactly. The question then becomes: why does he bother to post at all?
Gives Chung the impression SOMEBODY likes him?
Art Deco
>In article <140420071000257688%er...@caballista.org>,
> Art Deco <er...@caballista.org> wrote:
>
>> >
>> >The mental image is of someone with their fingers in their ears going
>> >"LALALALLALA I CANT HEAR YOU LALALALLALALLALALLA"
>>
>> Exactly. The question then becomes: why does he bother to post at all?
>
>
>Gives Chung the impression SOMEBODY likes him?
Or he pays Mu to post that the 2-lb fraud diet is worth something.
Phineas T Puddleduck
Art Deco <er...@caballista.org> wrote:
> Phineas T Puddleduck <phineasp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >In article <140420071000257688%er...@caballista.org>,
> > Art Deco <er...@caballista.org> wrote:
> >
> >> >
> >> >The mental image is of someone with their fingers in their ears going
> >> >"LALALALLALA I CANT HEAR YOU LALALALLALALLALALLA"
> >>
> >> Exactly. The question then becomes: why does he bother to post at all?
> >
> >
> >Gives Chung the impression SOMEBODY likes him?
>
> Or he pays Mu to post that the 2-lb fraud diet is worth something.
Mu hasn't plonked you yet? - I think you've pulled!
Art Deco
>In article <140420071244423581%er...@caballista.org>,
> Art Deco <er...@caballista.org> wrote:
>
>> Phineas T Puddleduck <phineasp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >In article <140420071000257688%er...@caballista.org>,
>> > Art Deco <er...@caballista.org> wrote:
>> >
>> >> >
>> >> >The mental image is of someone with their fingers in their ears going
>> >> >"LALALALLALA I CANT HEAR YOU LALALALLALALLALALLA"
>> >>
>> >> Exactly. The question then becomes: why does he bother to post at all?
>> >
>> >
>> >Gives Chung the impression SOMEBODY likes him?
>>
>> Or he pays Mu to post that the 2-lb fraud diet is worth something.
>
>
>Mu hasn't plonked you yet? - I think you've pulled!
Oh yes, he ran away from me early on. I'm just waiting for a leaky
plonker.
Don Kirkman
>convicted neighbor Don Kirkman wrote:
>> Andrew
>> >It was an actual posting from Dr. Frank Hildner (may GOD bless him)
>> >that he made on the HeartMDPhD.com web site.
>> Actual posts to Web sites do not have email addresses and headers like
>> those on the original version of this message which you posted to the
>> Internet.
>That would depend on the input "form" used for any given web site.
The only input "form" [whatever you think that means] for putting
something into a Web site will not be in SMTP protocol format as
internet email is. That format is what the headers attest to. If Dr.
Hildner or anybody else had contributed something directly to your web
site it could only have gotten there because you provided an input form.
Since it was (allegedly, since you have since hidden anything Dr.
Hildner might have written behind a secret password) obviously in email
format, it was not put on your site by Dr. Hildner. QED.
--
Don Kirkman
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> >> Andrew
>
> >> >It was an actual posting from Dr. Frank Hildner (may GOD bless him)
> >> >that he made on the HeartMDPhD.com web site.
>
> >> Actual posts to Web sites do not have email addresses and headers like
> >> those on the original version of this message which you posted to the
> >> Internet.
>
> >That would depend on the input "form" used for any given web site.
>
> The only input "form" [whatever you think that means] for putting
> something into a Web site will not be in SMTP protocol format as
> internet email is. That format is what the headers attest to. If Dr.
> Hildner or anybody else had contributed something directly to your web
> site it could only have gotten there because you provided an input form.
> Since it was (allegedly, since you have since hidden anything Dr.
> Hildner might have written behind a secret password) obviously in email
> format, it was not put on your site by Dr. Hildner. QED.
It should be obvious to the most casual observer that Dr. Hildner had
read the protected web site content so that he did indeed have access
to the "input form" for posting comments in the manner that he has
done. Sorry the format of the posting form emulates that of standard
email:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/Frank
Many thanks, much praise, and all the glory to GOD for HIS compelling
you to unwittingly strengthen the light of the truth, Who is LORD
Jesus Christ.
Laus Deo ! ! !
May GOD bless you in HIS mighty way.
Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,
Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Art Deco
another email address spewed:
>convicted neighbor Don Kirkman wrote:
>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>> >convicted neighbor Don Kirkman wrote:
>> >> Andrew
>>
>> >> >It was an actual posting from Dr. Frank Hildner (may GOD bless him)
>> >> >that he made on the HeartMDPhD.com web site.
>>
>> >> Actual posts to Web sites do not have email addresses and headers like
>> >> those on the original version of this message which you posted to the
>> >> Internet.
>>
>> >That would depend on the input "form" used for any given web site.
>>
>> The only input "form" [whatever you think that means] for putting
>> something into a Web site will not be in SMTP protocol format as
>> internet email is. That format is what the headers attest to. If Dr.
>> Hildner or anybody else had contributed something directly to your web
>> site it could only have gotten there because you provided an input form.
>> Since it was (allegedly, since you have since hidden anything Dr.
>> Hildner might have written behind a secret password) obviously in email
>> format, it was not put on your site by Dr. Hildner. QED.
>
>It should be obvious to the most casual observer that Dr. Hildner had
>read the protected web site content so that he did indeed have access
>to the "input form" for posting comments in the manner that he has
>done. Sorry the format of the posting form emulates that of standard
>email:
As usual, when painted into a corner, Chung denies reality and sticks
to his transparently idiotic delusion.
Synthetic Networked Android Responsible for Killing and Yardwork
was laughing at the antics of Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD, when they
suddenly burst out in tears:
> convicted neighbor Daedalus (Jade) wrote:
Liar! She's nowhere on your lits of "Convicts".
Theory. You have no idea, no clue at all, no knowledge whatsoever of
what happens to people after they die, and certainly no proof, you
fraudulent quack.
--
________________________________________________________________________
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Usenet Ruiner #5; Top Asshole #3; Official Chung Demon
Official Chung Demon; Most Hated Usenetizen of All Time #13
No holy posting of any kind, to email.
"It can't rain all the time"
WINNERS! Usenet Kook Awards, March 2007
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Xander: "I still don't get why we had to come here to get info about a
killer snot monster."
Giles: "Because it's a killer snot monster from outer space. (pause) I
did not say that." -- "Listening to Fear" (87/509), Buffy the Vampire
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Trainer of PorchMonkey4Life
http://www.screedbomb.info/porchie/
The MonkeyLJ: http://porchmonkey.livejournal.com/ -- nuked!
8. OK, so who's this "Dev McKinHole", then?
I dunno, some guy named Devon McKinnon of Dawson Creek, allegedly, and
according to the Monkey, a pedophile. However, I wouldn't take that too
seriously. The Monkey keeps changing his mind about who I am, so there's
no reason to think he won't change it about Mr. McKinnon, too.
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you don't have monet, blow a neurologist immediately." -- Farky the
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"I was told there would be cookies."
Cross-Poasters For Goddess!
Remember: Straight people can't help it!
A petition to make the Five-Fingered Hand of Eris
the official symbol for the planet Eris:
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"If you don't have pedicures AT LEAST every two weeks, don't talk to me.
If you don't floss every night and morning and brush at least twice a
day, don't talk to me. If you don't spend money on you hair and get
great cuts and color, don't talk to me. If you are heavy, don't talk to
me. If you don't shower every morning and take a nice bubble bath every
night, don't talk to me. If you don't have a loved one in your arms,
don't talk to me. If you don't keep an immaculate house, don't talk to
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never wants to talk to me, which is for the best, really.
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"He delivers a long speech about how you shouldn't judge him just because
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you fall asleep halfway through." -- The Kingdom of Loathing
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Don Kirkman
>It should be obvious to the most casual observer that Dr. Hildner had
>read the protected web site content so that he did indeed have access
>to the "input form" for posting comments in the manner that he has
>done. Sorry the format of the posting form emulates that of standard
>email:
Never happen. Web pages are HTTP or SHTTP protocol, email is SMTP. The
internals are totally different.
--
Don Kirkman
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
> >read the protected web site content so that he did indeed have access
> >to the "input form" for posting comments in the manner that he has
> >done. Sorry the format of the posting form emulates that of standard
> >email:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/FR
> Never happen.
Obviously it has.
You remind me of those who would deny Jesus' crucifixion:
http://abchung.livejournal.com/986.html?thread=24538#t24538
> Web pages are HTTP or SHTTP protocol, email is SMTP.
Protocols do not determine the physical appearance of text on your
screen. Instead, it is the actual text plus the hidden "mark-up"
language and your browser that determines appearance.
> The internals are totally different.
Correct. We are discussing externals here.
An example to illustrate the externals here.
*** begin example ***
From: ach...@EmoryCardiology.com
Date: 04/15/2007 04.44 AM
To: dons_...@wavecable.com
Dear convicted neighbor Don,
This is clearly not email.
Blessings,
Andrew <><
*** end example ***
Bottomline: You remain untruthful.
bob young
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" wrote:
> convicted neighbor Don Kirkman wrote:
> > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > >convicted neighbor Don Kirkman wrote:
> > >> Andrew
> >
> > >> >It was an actual posting from Dr. Frank Hildner (may GOD bless him)
> > >> >that he made on the HeartMDPhD.com web site.
Some 'Lord almighty god' ! It needs man to prove it is there.
Obvous isn't it - man made Him up in the first place
Don Kirkman
>convicted neighbor Don Kirkman wrote:
>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>> >It should be obvious to the most casual observer that Dr. Hildner had
>> >read the protected web site content so that he did indeed have access
>> >to the "input form" for posting comments in the manner that he has
>> >done. Sorry the format of the posting form emulates that of standard
>> >email:
>Protocols do not determine the physical appearance of text on your
>screen. Instead, it is the actual text plus the hidden "mark-up"
>language and your browser that determines appearance.
>> The internals are totally different.
>Correct. We are discussing externals here.
No, we're not. We're discussing the headers which tell the Internet
nodes what type of data is being transmitted. HTTP and SMTP protocol
messages are handled completely differently and separately. They cannot
cross from one to the other without human intervention. Yours.
>An example to illustrate the externals here.
>*** begin example ***
>From: ach...@EmoryCardiology.com
>Date: 04/15/2007 04.44 AM
>To: dons_...@wavecable.com
>Dear convicted neighbor Don,
>This is clearly not email.
This is also clearly not even an **example** of an email, but some
mumbojumbo you typed on your computer. It has gone nowhere except as a
few words in this message; thanks to your ignorance of the Internet
protocols it has none of the necessary routing and formatting headers.
**emphasis** added, as if that adds any meaning.
--
Don Kirkman
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >convicted neighbor Don Kirkman wrote:
> >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
> >> >It should be obvious to the most casual observer that Dr. Hildner had
> >> >read the protected web site content so that he did indeed have access
> >> >to the "input form" for posting comments in the manner that he has
> >> >done. Sorry the format of the posting form emulates that of standard
> >> >email:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convict/Frank
<restoring snipped text>
> >> Never happen.
>
> >Obviously it has.
> >
> > You remind me of those who would deny Jesus' crucifixion:
> >
> > http://abchung.livejournal.com/986.html?thread=24538#t24538
> >
> >
> >> Web pages are HTTP or SHTTP protocol, email is SMTP.
> >
> >Protocols do not determine the physical appearance of text on your
> >screen. Instead, it is the actual text plus the hidden "mark-up"
> >language and your browser that determines appearance.
>
> >> The internals are totally different.
>
> >Correct. We are discussing externals here.
>
> No, we're not.
For text-based usenet, which is the medium we are using here, the only
thing you are seeing are externals.
> We're discussing the headers which tell the Internet
> nodes what type of data is being transmitted. HTTP and SMTP protocol
> messages are handled completely differently and separately. They cannot
> cross from one to the other without human intervention. Yours.
Would suggest you continue to review the example given in hopes of
your achieving understanding.
> >An example to illustrate the externals here.
>
> >*** begin example ***
>
> >From: ach...@EmoryCardiology.com
> >Date: 04/15/2007 04.44 AM
> >To: dons_...@wavecable.com
> >
> >Dear convicted neighbor Don,
> >
> >This is clearly not email.
> >
> >Blessings,
> >
> >Andrew <><
> >
> >*** end example ***
>
> This is also clearly not even an **example** of an email, but some
> mumbojumbo you typed on your computer.
However, by the application of your logic it would be email because
the externals resemble the format of an email.
> It has gone nowhere except as a
> few words in this message; thanks to your ignorance of the Internet
> protocols it has none of the necessary routing and formatting headers.
>
> **emphasis** added, as if that adds any meaning.
It does not add meaning. However, your studying the above example and
comparing it to the following may give you additional insight and
meaning:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/Frank
Let me know when you find any routing and formatting headers after the
Nth reading.
Clearly you remain convicted by the Holy Spirit:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > convicted neighbor Don Kirkman wrote:
> > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > >convicted neighbor Don Kirkman wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> Andrew
> > >
> > > >> >It was an actual posting from Dr. Frank Hildner (may GOD bless him)
> > > >> >that he made on the HeartMDPhD.com web site.
>
> Some 'Lord almighty god' ! It needs man to prove it is there.
The proof is for you.
> Obvous isn't it - man made Him up in the first place
Suggested viewing:
http://www.interviewwithgod.com/forgiven/
Clearly you remain convicted by the Holy Spirit:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts
May GOD bless you in HIS mighty way.
bob young
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" wrote:
> convicted neighbor bob young wrote:
> > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > convicted neighbor Don Kirkman wrote:
> > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > > >convicted neighbor Don Kirkman wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >> Andrew
> > > >
> > > > >> >It was an actual posting from Dr. Frank Hildner (may GOD bless him)
> > > > >> >that he made on the HeartMDPhD.com web site.
> >
> > Some 'Lord almighty god' ! It needs man to prove it is there.
>
> The proof is for you.
Sorry - I am not delusional
Demon Chunky Style
>CHUNG
(to Coachman)
You will perish in flames, subcreature!
Gozer will destroy you and your kind!
(he whispers to the horse)
Wait for the sign. Then all prisoners will
be released.
Say, Andy... a quick question? I know you'll avoid it anyway, but here
goes...
Why are you obsessively drawn to answer to each and every post that
questions your beliefs?
I should think that you would be smugly self-righteous, as you are
110% certain that YOU ARE RIGHT and everyone else is wrong.
So... why are you so defensive?
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > convicted neighbor bob young wrote:
> > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > > convicted neighbor Don Kirkman wrote:
> > > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > > > >convicted neighbor Don Kirkman wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >> Andrew
> > > > >
> > > > > >> >It was an actual posting from Dr. Frank Hildner (may GOD bless him)
> > > > > >> >that he made on the HeartMDPhD.com web site.
> > >
> > > Some 'Lord almighty god' ! It needs man to prove it is there.
> >
> > The proof is for you.
>
> Sorry
You are forgiven by me.
> - I am not delusional
As an atheist, you are in denial:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/Proof