Metabolic syndrome -- don't blame the belly fat
truth@sprachen..com
syndrome that muscle insulin resistance preceeds increase in belly fat.
http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2007-07/hhmi-msd071607.php
William Wagner
truth@sprachen..com wrote:
From your URL.
"The new findings promise to help untangle the early molecular events of
a syndrome at the root of one of the world's most significant health
issues. ³Knowing how insulin resistance alters energy storage before it
leads to more serious problems can help those susceptible prevent the
onset of the metabolic syndrome,² Shulman said.
Another key observation was that skeletal muscle insulin resistance
precedes the development of insulin resistance in liver cells, and that
fat production in the liver is increased. ³These findings also have
important implications for understanding the pathogenesis of
nonalcoholic fatty liver disease, one of the most prevalent liver
diseases in both adults and children² Shulman said.
The good news, according to Shulman, is that insulin resistance in
skeletal muscle can be countered through a simple intervention:
exercise."
..............
I'd suggest that the shift from sand lot playing to organized games
has reduced the amount of exercise significantly. Practice on yada
yada and game on Yada Yada not enough. "leave those kids alone" comes
to mind . We played every day for hours and in winter it was ice
skating and snow removal aka snow forts.
Today young folks deal with less physical work, more hours though and
sedentary entertainment. I suggest shaking your booty often is a
cheap good thing. Fun too.
Dance the night away!
Bill musing yea what about Vitamin D.
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Joe Doe
<-----williamwag-D2D70...@sn-indi.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net>,
William Wagner <-----willi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Today young folks deal with less physical work, more hours though and
> sedentary entertainment. I suggest shaking your booty often is a
> cheap good thing. Fun too.
>
> Dance the night away!
>
> Bill musing yea what about Vitami
Alberto Salazar (3 time NY marathon winner) recently had a heart attack
at age 48. He has a family history but apparently was under medical
supervision and was on two bp medications + cholesterol medication. So
if a decent lifestyle + medications does not cut it I guess we all see
tomorrow Inshallah.
http://www.oregonlive.com/news/oregonian/index.ssf?/base/news/11842971302
49120.xml&coll=7
or:
Roland
Jim Chinnis
>It turns out that in those with the genetic disposition for metabolic
>syndrome that muscle insulin resistance preceeds increase in belly fat.
>
>http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2007-07/hhmi-msd071607.php
I'm not sure I'd conclude that this is due to "genetic disposition." What's
important is the discovery that skeletal muscle insulin resistance can occur
first and then cause the other components of MetS.
The "epidemic" we're having may well be due to all the labor-saving devices
and systems we've come up with. We don't need muscle any more. But we need
to think again about that...
And then we take that growing population of those with muscle insulin
resistance and hit it with a highly processed high carb diet and tell them
to lay off the fat. We need to think about that, too...
--
Jim Chinnis Warrenton, Virginia, USA
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> satan via a sockpuppet (demon) wrote in his usual lying fashion:
>
> > It turns out that in those with the genetic disposition for metabolic
> > syndrome that muscle insulin resistance preceeds increase in belly fat.
> >
> > http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2007-07/hhmi-msd071607.php
>
> From your URL.
>
> "The new findings promise to help untangle the early molecular events of
> a syndrome at the root of one of the world's most significant health
> issues. ³Knowing how insulin resistance alters energy storage before it
> leads to more serious problems can help those susceptible prevent the
> onset of the metabolic syndrome,² Shulman said.
> Another key observation was that skeletal muscle insulin resistance
> precedes the development of insulin resistance in liver cells, and that
> fat production in the liver is increased. ³These findings also have
> important implications for understanding the pathogenesis of
> nonalcoholic fatty liver disease, one of the most prevalent liver
> diseases in both adults and children² Shulman said.
>
> The good news, according to Shulman, is that insulin resistance in
> skeletal muscle can be countered through a simple intervention:
> exercise."
Actually this study was conducted in the following manner:
More than 400 non-overweight sedentary volunteers were evaluated for
insulin senstivity index (ISI) and 12 with the highest ISI and 12 with
the lowest ISI were compared.
By definition the 12 with lowest ISI (insulin resistant) **already**
have metabolic syndrome (MetS) and indeed they were determined to have
statistically significant higher fasting blood glucose, higher fasting
triglycerides, and lower HDL compared to the 12 with the highest ISI
(insulin sensitive).
Bottomline:
The insulin resistant (IR) volunteers already have too much visceral
adipose tissue (VAT) even though they are not overweight
(BMI=23.9+/-0.6).
Primary source:
http://www.pnas.org/cgi/reprint/0705408104v1.pdf
Additional comments:
Interestingly, even the insulin sensitive volunteers had visceral
adipose tissue (VAT) which in this study was measured as abdominal fat
volume (AFV) and determined to be 340+/-91 mls. The IR/MetS
volunteers did have on average more AFV (390+/-92 mls) though there is
too much overlap for statistical significance.
Because fat is less dense than water (1 gm/ml), it seems that all it
takes for IR to develop in some folks is less than a pound of
VAT ! ! !
Therefore, it remains wise to eat less, down to the optimal amount to
lose every ounce of VAT to cure the IR/MetS and possibly even type-2
diabetes:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/Healing
This Approach comes with a million-dollar guarantee:
Be hungry... be healthy... be blessed:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/PressRelease
Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,
Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Cardiologist
P.S. LORD willing, there will be a free web-chat later this evening
about this at 5:00 PM EST. For more details, visit http://ABChung.LiveJournal.com
BrG...@gmail.com
Andrew Chung:
Is a frequent and proven liar (evidence archived forever on Google)
Has lost numerous NNTP accounts with supernews and others, has had
many Google accounts nuked, and his vanity domain heartmdphd.com is
now banned from setting up accounts. He is instead using multiple
Google sock accounts and email addresses in the format
l...@thetruth.com (# being a number)
Is unemployed after being sacked with cause from his one and only job
after just over 80 days
Fled the state of Florida, and now claims to practice in Georgia
despite having no admission priveliges in the State's hospitals
Runs a phony foundation with a total declared income of circa $200,
the ownership and contact details of which are obfuscated on its
website
Makes failed prophecies concerning earthquakes with areas and dates,
which don't happen (remember the bible quotes about false prophets)
Performed a public attempt at 'exorcising' a Malaysian sock on usenet,
then denied doing it. He has recently reversed position again and
admits to practicing exorcism by usenet, proving himself a liar in the
process.
Promotes a dangerous diet, with a million dollar guarantee that he
demands thirty dollars to access details of. This despite being
unemployed. His soliciting and spamming for donations looks to be
similar to the Nigerian Advance Fee Fraud, where victims pay money
upfront in the hope of coming into riches but find they have merely
bought into a lie. Part of his advice is to pour nail polish remover
onto food.
Declares he has a cardiology practice despite posting night and day
from the same IP address (his home presumably) or a coffee shop
internet cafe
Makes further false prophecies that we should now be all dying in a
bird flu pandemic. When these fail to happen, he does them all over
again and changes the dates. Nuclear war is another Chung spciality,
which naturally doesn't happen when he says it is going to.
Worships evil hatemonger Fred Phelps and will not denounce the acts of
Westboro's congregation. He even accuses someone with the name Phelps
of being Fred's son and refuses to accept he is completely wrong.
Uses the same patter as Pat Robertson, indicating his religious
activity is confined to watching cable TV. No evidence Chung has ever
attended a church.
Has a tendency to cyberstalk, particularly women. His wife fled some
time ago to another state, an act which Chung tries to pass off as
"being on vacation".
Frequently passes himself off as being qualified in areas such as
endocrinology, despite making incredibly fundamental blunders in his
'advice'. It is no wonder the Florida heart facility terminated him,
and has publicly denounced his version of events. Again archived on
Google.
Don't forget the fake fast, where he didn't lose any weight, as well
as the infamous 666 stamping fiasco. His latest vile trick is spamming
the blogs of dying cancer patients and then crowing triumphantly when
they pass away.
"Quackery is a sin." -- Holly Spit
Amen.
Wiser to post less, down to the optimal amount thereby becoming a
responsible person.
http://groups.google.co.uk/group/alt.support.diabetes/msg/d559bc684dd89f
--
Mr. Chung's name-calling behavior simply shows that the Holy Spirit is
absolutely right in convicting him.
The 10mg Lizard-Spit Approach is not a diet.
It does help people manage their Diabetes Mellitus (DM) possibly
preventing long-term complications resulting from poor control.
Bottom line: It remains wise to be peanut-free.
May your BG and A1c get better, dear neighbor whom I communicate with
unconditionally.
Be well, travel with a light heart and a low A1c [Gene, 3:16]
Prayerfully in Lizard-Spit's awesome love,
Gene Goldman
http://heartmdphd.com/Convicts/
T2
Metformin, Lizard-Spit, Aspartame, Nutrisweet, Sacarin
"Unlike quacks pushing snake oil and fad diets, please consult a
competent medical professional."
Consuming copious amounts of Aspartame-laden soft drinks with reckless
abandon!
Give me NutraSweet over peanuts any day!
Internet newsgroup posting. Copyright 2007. All rights reserved.
KC
first. The best defense against it progressing further into abdominal
obesity and insulin resistance in the liver (and all the rest of the
metabolic syndrome) is controlling carbohydrate intake and making sure to
exercise after carbohydrate intake in order to use the glucose in the
bloodstream before it can be converted into higher triglyceride levels and
trigger increases in VAT. If the glucose in the blood from the carbohydrate
in the meal is immediately used in exercise, the body will not be able to
convert it to triglycerides.
And of course for those of us that it has already progressed to having a
great deal of VAT it is important to to lower weight levels while also
controlling carbohydrate intake and exercising after carbohydrate intake in
order to stop the progression and aid in reversing it.
Thank you Andrew for posting the link to the actual study. It was very
helpful for me to read it. I imagine the knowlege I obtained from it will
help me to improve my health.
KC
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
> > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/b82a8c2b5824f8fb?
>
> > More than 400 non-overweight sedentary volunteers were evaluated for
> > insulin senstivity index (ISI) and 12 with the highest ISI and 12 with
> > the lowest ISI were compared.
>
> > By definition the 12 with lowest ISI (insulin resistant) **already**
> > have metabolic syndrome (MetS) and indeed they were determined to have
> > statistically significant higher fasting blood glucose, higher fasting
> > triglycerides, and lower HDL compared to the 12 with the highest ISI
> > (insulin sensitive).
>
> > Bottomline:
>
> > The insulin resistant (IR) volunteers already have too much visceral
> > adipose tissue (VAT) even though they are not overweight
> > (BMI=23.9+/-0.6).
>
> > Primary source:
>
> > http://www.pnas.org/cgi/reprint/0705408104v1.pdf
>
> > Additional comments:
>
> > Interestingly, even the insulin sensitive volunteers had visceral
> > adipose tissue (VAT) which in this study was measured as abdominal fat
> > volume (AFV) and determined to be 340+/-91 mls. The IR/MetS
> > volunteers did have on average more AFV (390+/-92 mls) though there is
> > too much overlap for statistical significance.
>
> > Because fat is less dense than water (1 gm/ml), it seems that all it
> > takes for IR to develop in some folks is less than a pound of
> > VAT ! ! !
>
> first.
That would have been the case if they had found volunteers with zero
VAT and insulin resistance in muscle.
Instead, they have found folks with normal insulin sensitivity who
acquired VAT **before** acquiring insulin resistance.
Thus it logically follows that VAT comes before insulin resistance in
the muscle.
> The best defense against it progressing further into abdominal
> obesity and insulin resistance in the liver (and all the rest of the
> metabolic syndrome) is controlling carbohydrate intake and making sure to
> exercise after carbohydrate intake in order to use the glucose in the
> bloodstream before it can be converted into higher triglyceride levels and
> trigger increases in VAT.
Inadequate carbohydrates resulting in starvation ketosis will actually
shut down
utilization/breakdown of VAT resulting in a shift to SAT and muscle
breakdown
exclusively.
> If the glucose in the blood from the carbohydrate
> in the meal is immediately used in exercise, the body will not be able to
> convert it to triglycerides.
Actually glucose is stored up as glycogen first. Only when there is
excess
glycogen stores is there a switch to fatty acid synthesis.
> And of course for those of us that it has already progressed to having a
> great deal of VAT it is important to to lower weight levels while also
> controlling carbohydrate intake and exercising after carbohydrate intake in
> order to stop the progression and aid in reversing it.
Non-fasting hypertriglyceridemia is more from dietary lipids that from
dietary
carbohydrates.
> Thank you Andrew for posting the link to the actual study. It was very
> helpful for me to read it. I imagine the knowlege I obtained from it will
> help me to improve my health.
>
> KC
You are welcome, Kathy.
Redirecting all thanks and praises to GOD so that we will both be that
much more
blessed.
flyingrat
hear...@emorycardiology.com says...
>
> Be hungry... be healthy... be blessed:
Is a frequent and proven liar (evidence archived forever on Google)
Has lost numerous NNTP accounts with supernews and others, has had many
Google accounts nuked, and his vanity domain heartmdphd.com is now
banned from setting up accounts. He is instead using multiple Google
sock accounts and email addresses in the format love#@thetruth.com (#
KC
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <hear...@emorycardiology.com> wrote in message
news:1184883389.1...@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
> convicted neighbor Kathy Claytor (KC) wrote:
Does anyone other than an anorexic have zero VAT?
>
> Instead, they have found folks with normal insulin sensitivity who
> acquired VAT **before** acquiring insulin resistance.
>
> Thus it logically follows that VAT comes before insulin resistance in
> the muscle.
>
>> The best defense against it progressing further into abdominal
>> obesity and insulin resistance in the liver (and all the rest of the
>> metabolic syndrome) is controlling carbohydrate intake and making sure to
>> exercise after carbohydrate intake in order to use the glucose in the
>> bloodstream before it can be converted into higher triglyceride levels
>> and
>> trigger increases in VAT.
>
> Inadequate carbohydrates resulting in starvation ketosis will actually
> shut down
> utilization/breakdown of VAT resulting in a shift to SAT and muscle
> breakdown
> exclusively.
Doesn't ketosis occur with weight loss to some level no matter the diet?
Another thing is that type II diabetics are sometimes called
ketosis-resistant diabetics because their bodies tend to not go into
ketosis. Truthfully the controlled carb meals that people post that they
eat on this group would not make a ketostick show any color for me unless
maybe I only ate their 1 meals-worth of food in a whole day.
So, I suspect that if what you are saying about ketosis inhibiting the
breakdown of VAT is true, it still wouldn't happen to the type II diabetics
on this group if they are eating the kind of meals that they are posting
about.
>
>> If the glucose in the blood from the carbohydrate
>> in the meal is immediately used in exercise, the body will not be able to
>> convert it to triglycerides.
>
> Actually glucose is stored up as glycogen first. Only when there is
> excess
> glycogen stores is there a switch to fatty acid synthesis.
But, the research article you posted said that for the people with insulin
resistance net muscle glycogen synthesis was reduced by 60% and plasma
triglyceride concentrations were increased by 60%, so for people with
insulin resistance a large part of the glucose from carbs in the meal is
being converted to triglycerides following a meal.
>
>> And of course for those of us that it has already progressed to having a
>> great deal of VAT it is important to to lower weight levels while also
>> controlling carbohydrate intake and exercising after carbohydrate intake
>> in
>> order to stop the progression and aid in reversing it.
>
> Non-fasting hypertriglyceridemia is more from dietary lipids that from
> dietary
> carbohydrates.
But in the article you just posted the 60% increase in plasma triglyceride
levels in the insulin resistant people came after a high carbohydrate diet.
Wikpedia lists one of the hypertriglyceridemia a high sugar diet, so I have
a hard time believing that Non-fasting hypertriglyceridemia is more from
dietary lipids that from dietary carbohydrates.
KC
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
Actually a person with zero VAT will be the exact opposite of an
anorexic.
An anorexic is someone without an appetite.
A person with zero VAT is someone with a tremendous appetite.
Look to the olympic gymnastic gold-medalists as folks with zero VAT.
They are under strict supervision by their coaches to keep them from
overeating.
> > Instead, they have found folks with normal insulin sensitivity who
> > acquired VAT **before** acquiring insulin resistance.
>
> >
> > Thus it logically follows that VAT comes before insulin resistance in
> > the muscle.
> >
> >> The best defense against it progressing further into abdominal
> >> obesity and insulin resistance in the liver (and all the rest of the
> >> metabolic syndrome) is controlling carbohydrate intake and making sure to
> >> exercise after carbohydrate intake in order to use the glucose in the
> >> bloodstream before it can be converted into higher triglyceride levels
> >> and
> >> trigger increases in VAT.
> >
> > Inadequate carbohydrates resulting in starvation ketosis will actually
> > shut down utilization/breakdown of VAT resulting in a shift to SAT and muscle
> > breakdown exclusively.
>
> Doesn't ketosis occur with weight loss to some level no matter the diet?
Not when their are adequate carbohydrates to maintain a healthy amount
of glycogen stores in the muscle and liver.
> Another thing is that type II diabetics are sometimes called
> ketosis-resistant diabetics because their bodies tend to not go into
> ketosis.
That would be because they are not as susceptible to go into
ketoacidosis from insulin lack.
Starvation ketosis is hyperketonemia and not ketoacidosis.
> Truthfully the controlled carb meals that people post that they
> eat on this group would not make a ketostick show any color for me unless
> maybe I only ate their 1 meals-worth of food in a whole day.
This would be because these controlled carb meals contain enough
protein, which can be converted to carbohydrates by the liver.
> So, I suspect that if what you are saying about ketosis inhibiting the
> breakdown of VAT is true, it still wouldn't happen to the type II diabetics
> on this group if they are eating the kind of meals that they are posting
> about.
It would possibly happen if they decreased their intake down to the
optimal amount required for VAT loss.
> >> If the glucose in the blood from the carbohydrate
> >> in the meal is immediately used in exercise, the body will not be able to
> >> convert it to triglycerides.
> >
> > Actually glucose is stored up as glycogen first. Only when there is
> > excess glycogen stores is there a switch to fatty acid synthesis.
>
> But, the research article you posted said that for the people with insulin
> resistance net muscle glycogen synthesis was reduced by 60% and plasma
> triglyceride concentrations were increased by 60%, so for people with
> insulin resistance a large part of the glucose from carbs in the meal is
> being converted to triglycerides following a meal.
This would be the case for someone who has been overeating so that
they have excessive glycogen stores.
> >> And of course for those of us that it has already progressed to having a
> >> great deal of VAT it is important to to lower weight levels while also
> >> controlling carbohydrate intake and exercising after carbohydrate intake
> >> in order to stop the progression and aid in reversing it.
> >
> > Non-fasting hypertriglyceridemia is more from dietary lipids that from
> > dietary carbohydrates.
>
> But in the article you just posted the 60% increase in plasma triglyceride
> levels in the insulin resistant people came after a high carbohydrate diet.
The 60% increase is baseline levels of plasma triglycerides is due to
increased release of triglycerides by the liver from the breakdown of
lipid stores and not from the de novo synthesis of fatty acids from
glucose.
The spike of triglycerides right after a meal would be the non-fasting
hypertriglyceridemia resulting from the lipid content of the meal.
> Wikpedia lists one of the hypertriglyceridemia a high sugar diet, so I have
> a hard time believing that Non-fasting hypertriglyceridemia is more from
> dietary lipids that from dietary carbohydrates.
Baseline hypertriglyceridemia is caused by the breakdown of lipid
stores by the liver and not from the de novo synthesis of fatty acids
from glucose.
It is only when we are hungry that our VAT is maximally perfused to
allow extraction of VAT lipid stores to bring about the apoptosis of
VAT cells thereby reducing VAT volume.
bigvince
The lack of physical work or certainly contributes to this ;what will
soon be an epidemic ;of Metabolic syndrome and diabetes. There does
seem to be a genetic difference in the way people store energy, From
an article on this
study;
" To begin to shed light on the earliest molecular events that lead to
the metabolic syndrome, Shulman and his colleagues used powerful new
magnetic resonance imaging techniques to observe how nutrients are
channeled in the body in both insulin resistant and insulin sensitive
human subjects.
The subjects for the study were all young, lean, non-smoking, healthy
individuals who were sedentary and matched for physical activity.
Aside from insulin resistance in one cohort, these volunteers had none
of the other confounding factors typically associated with obesity and
type 2 diabetes, which have been thought to play a key role in the
pathogenesis of the metabolic syndrome.
"Our hypothesis was that the metabolic syndrome is really a problem
with how we store energy from food," Shulman explained. "The idea is
that insulin resistance in muscle changes the pattern of energy
storage."
After providing the study's subjects with two meals high in
carbohydrates, Shulman and his colleagues turned to magnetic resonance
spectroscopy to measure the production of liver and muscle
triglyceride, the storage form of fat, and of glycogen, the storage
form of carbohydrate. "What we found is that (insulin) sensitive
individuals took the energy from carbohydrate in the meals and stored
it away as glycogen in both liver and muscle," said Shulman.
In the insulin resistant subjects, the energy obtained from their
carbohydrate rich meals was rerouted to liver triglyceride production,
elevating triglycerides in the blood by as much as 60 percent and
lowering HDL cholesterol (the "good cholesterol") by 20 percent. "In
contrast to the young, lean, insulin-sensitive subjects, who stored
most of their ingested energy as liver and muscle glycogen, the young,
lean, insulin-resistant subjects had a marked defect in muscle
glycogen synthesis and diverted much more of their ingested
carbohydrate into liver fat production," Shulman and his colleagues
reported. "
http://www.scienceblog.com/cms/metabolic-syndrome-dont-blame-belly-fat-13712.html
The key is that all were young and lean they just processed
carbs differently. Additional evidence that a lo carb diet is very
helpful for those with insulin resistance Thanks Vince
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> neighbor Jim Chinnis <jchin...@SPAMalum.mit.edu> wrote:
> > satan via a sockpuppet (demon) wrote in his usual lying fashion:
> >
> > >syndrome that muscle insulin resistance preceeds increase in belly fat.
> >
> > >http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2007-07/hhmi-msd071607.php
> >
> > I'm not sure I'd conclude that this is due to "genetic disposition." What's
> > important is the discovery that skeletal muscle insulin resistance can occur
> > first and then cause the other components of MetS.
Actually, this study shows that VAT occurs first because all their
volunteers, including "normals," have detectable VAT. Moreover, the
trend was less VAT being associated with more insulin sensitivity.
> > The "epidemic" we're having may well be due to all the labor-saving devices
> > and systems we've come up with. We don't need muscle any more. But we need
> > to think again about that...
> >
> > And then we take that growing population of those with muscle insulin
> > resistance and hit it with a highly processed high carb diet and tell them
> > to lay off the fat. We need to think about that, too...
>
> The lack of physical work or certainly contributes to this ;what will
> soon be an epidemic ;of Metabolic syndrome and diabetes.
While there is overeating, no amount of physical work will result in
the loss of VAT to effect a cure for IR/MetS.
It logically follows from this simple fact that it is more intelligent
to eat less, down to the optimal amount to lose the VAT, cure the IR/
MetS, and possibly cure the type-2 diabetes:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/Healing
flyingrat
heart...@emorycardiology.com says...
> It logically follows from this simple fact that it is more intelligent
> to eat less, down to the optimal amount to lose the VAT, cure the IR/
> MetS, and possibly cure the type-2 diabetes:
Matthew 5:6 - Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for
righteousness, for they shall be satisfied.
Luke 6:21, 25 - Blessed are you who are hungry now, for you shall be
satisfied. . . Woe to you who are full now, for you shall be hungry.
Both these quotes from the Bible, and both infer that God (or Jesus)
considers hunger to be BAD.
Those who are hungry (for food or spiritual matters) will have the BAD
hunger removed, and those who are 'full' will be made hungry because
hunger is BAD.
"Woe to you who are full now, for you shall be hungry" means HUNGER IS
BAD
Chung twists these quotes to sell his diet and gain fraudulent donations
for his one-man charity. No wonder he dare not set foot inside a church.
The Two Pound Diet is based on a lie, and Chung distorts scripture to
sell it. Expect him to either run away screerching and howling, or do a
furious little foot-stamping jig on Bob Pastorio's grave. Either way
Chung's core lies are exposed and the VICTORY is for the TRUTH of his
vile ways.
Sanity's Little Helper
news:1185046608....@m3g2000hsh.googlegroups.com to
alt.christnet.christianlife:
> neighbor bigv
HO! <whack>
--
David Silverman F.L.A.H.N.
aa #2208
"If you are informed by God, you can be misinformed by nobody" - Osama Bin
Laden
Jim Chinnis
>The key is that all were young and lean they just processed
>carbs differently.
I understand, but I think this falls far short of establishing a genetic
cause here.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
himself silly:
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
>
> HO! <whack>
Watching you saddens me.
Your condition reminds me of Don Kirkman's predicament:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/33f26e2d2b89dc75?
Sanity's Little Helper
alt.christnet.christianlife:
> convicted neighbor David Silverman (satan's Little Helper) slapping
> himself silly:
>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>>
>> > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/c7db15cef07c62
>> > f2?
>>
>> HO! <whack>
>
> Watching you saddens me.
>
If watching me saddens you, that would explain why you never look at
yourself. It would kill you instantly.
So! Let me hold a mirror up to you:
You, a lazy, indolent, arrogant little nonentity who blags his way
through life, shunning knowledge and understanding (this is evidenced by
both your academic record and your career, these are not observations but
concrete and indivisible facts) try to be condescending towards people.
Now, that's a pretty sickening spectacle.
Tell us more about your time at Emory, explaining why you do no teaching
there.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > convicted neighbor David Silverman (satan's Little Helper) slapping
> > himself silly:
> >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >>
> >> > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/c7db15cef07c62
> >> > f2?
> >>
> >> HO! <whack>
> >
> > Watching you saddens me.
>
> If watching me saddens you, that would explain why you never look at
> yourself. It would kill you instantly.
Without the LORD, your fantasies are meaningless (Ecclesiastes).
> So! Let me hold a mirror up to you:
>
> You, a lazy, indolent, arrogant little nonentity who blags his way
> through life, shunning knowledge and understanding (this is evidenced by
> both your academic record and your career, these are not observations but
> concrete and indivisible facts) try to be condescending towards people.
> Now, that's a pretty sickening spectacle.
Without the LORD, your opinions are meaningless (Ecclesiastes).
> Tell us more about your time at Emory, explaining why you do no teaching
> there.
The dear friends at Emory already know that metabolic syndrome (MetS)
is caused by the visceral adipose tissue (VAT) arising from overeating
so that this need not be taught there but out here in the community:
Truth is simple :-)
runlikeana...@gmail.com
So, Chung, exactly WHAT mental illness do you suffer from?
How are you contributing to the group? Why do you spew rhetoric rather
than personalizing yourself and saying things you truly mean and feel?
You can quote the Bible all day long, but one day, that Bible won't
have your answer. Then, what? You will be forced to think for
yourself, then, what?
I'm willing to bet you come from a long line of evangelicals.
If you aren't suffering from anxiety, studying the disease or are even
interested in helping anyone on this board, please, please, please,
stop wasting our time.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
None.
> How are you contributing to the group?
Physical illness such as metabolic syndrome (MetS) tends to exacerbate
mental illness.
> Why do you spew rhetoric rather
> than personalizing yourself and saying things you truly mean and feel?
:-) would a feeling and not rhetoric :-)
> You can quote the Bible all day long, but one day, that Bible won't
> have your answer.
Have not quoted the Bible here.
> Then, what?
Then one could quote the Bible :-)
> You will be forced to think for yourself, then, what?
See above :-)
> I'm willing to bet you come from a long line of evangelicals.
You would lose your bet :-)
> If you aren't suffering from anxiety, studying the disease or are even
> interested in helping anyone on this board, please, please, please,
> stop wasting our time.
Those who choose to turn to GOD will be helped by HIM.
HIS purpose for me here remains to inform folks of this and other
things per HIS infinite and perfect will.
Be hungry... be healthy (healthy folks are not anxious) ... be
blessed:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/PressRelease
bigvince
> bigvince <Vince.Mirag...@gmail.com> wrote in part:
I agree that this study falls short of establishing a genetic link. It
does however appear that there may be a genetic component to the way
people process carbs. It also provides more evidence that a low carb
diet and exercise are both important treatments for Metabolic
syndrome. I believe there is a genetic component that is allowed to be
expressed by our lifestyle of today. Thanks Vince
Sanity's Little Helper
sci.med.cardiology:
> convicted neighbor David Silverman (Sanity's Little Helper) wrote:
>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>> > convicted neighbor David Silverman (satan's Little Helper) slapping
>> > himself silly:
>> >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/c7db15cef07
>> >> > c62 f2?
>> >>
>> >> HO! <whack>
>> >
>> > Watching you saddens me.
>>
>> If watching me saddens you, that would explain why you never look at
>> yourself. It would kill you instantly.
>
> Without the LORD, your fantasies are meaningless (Ecclesiastes).
>
>> So! Let me hold a mirror up to you:
>>
>> You, a lazy, indolent, arrogant little nonentity who blags his way
>> through life, shunning knowledge and understanding (this is evidenced
>> by both your academic record and your career, these are not
>> observations but concrete and indivisible facts) try to be
>> condescending towards people. Now, that's a pretty sickening
>> spectacle.
>
> Without the LORD, your opinions are meaningless (Ecclesiastes).
>
Got you.
>> Tell us more about your time at Emory, explaining why you do no
>> teaching there.
>
> The dear friends at Emory already know that metabolic syndrome (MetS)
> is caused by the visceral adipose tissue (VAT) arising from overeating
> so that this need not be taught there but out here in the community:
>
Got you.
<snip>
--
David Silverman F.L.A.H.N.
aa #2208
"Jesus loves you, so I don't have to" - Ian Paisley.
runlikeana...@gmail.com
<heartdo...@emorycardiology.com> wrote:
Quit Crossposting
> > Why do you spew rhetoric rather
> > than personalizing yourself and saying things you truly mean and feel?
>
> :-) would a feeling and not rhetoric :-)
>
> > You can quote the Bible all day long, but one day, that Bible won't
> > have your answer.
>
> Have not quoted the Bible here.
Including a Bible Verse is quoting the bible.
> > Then, what?
>
> Then one could quote the Bible :-)
>
> > You will be forced to think for yourself, then, what?
>
> See above :-)
>
> > I'm willing to bet you come from a long line of evangelicals.
>
> You would lose your bet :-)
>
> > If you aren't suffering from anxiety, studying the disease or are even
> > interested in helping anyone on this board, please, please, please,
> > stop wasting our time.
>
> Those who choose to turn to GOD will be helped by HIM.
>
> HIS purpose for me here remains to inform folks of this and other
> things per HIS infinite and perfect will.
>
> Be hungry... be healthy (healthy folks are not anxious) ... be
> blessed:
I really don't like to use foul language but you are a complete dumb
ass aren't you? Healthy folks are not anxious? I'm almost positive I
eat healthier than 90% of America, I don't drink, I don't smoke, I
don't use drugs, I take an aspirin when I have a headache and I'm not
on medication. Just because I have an anxiety problem doesn't mean I'm
unhealthy.
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/PressRelease
>
> Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,
>
> Andrew <><
> --
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Cardiologist
What do you get from all this? Are you really a cardiologist? Is your
last name really Chung? You are an idiot, whoever you are.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
You may certainly choose to do that. You have the free will that GOD
has generously given all souls per HIS infinite and perfect free will.
> > > Why do you spew rhetoric rather
> > > than personalizing yourself and saying things you truly mean and feel?
> >
> > :-) would be a feeling and not rhetoric :-)
> >
> > > You can quote the Bible all day long, but one day, that Bible won't
> > > have your answer.
> >
> > Have not quoted the Bible here.
>
> Including a Bible Verse is quoting the bible.
Have not included a Bible verse.
>
> > > Then, what?
> >
> > Then one could quote the Bible :-)
> >
> > > You will be forced to think for yourself, then, what?
> >
> > See above :-)
> >
> > > I'm willing to bet you come from a long line of evangelicals.
> >
> > You would lose your bet :-)
> >
> > > If you aren't suffering from anxiety, studying the disease or are even
> > > interested in helping anyone on this board, please, please, please,
> > > stop wasting our time.
> >
> > Those who choose to turn to GOD will be helped by HIM.
> >
> > HIS purpose for me here remains to inform folks of this and other
> > things per HIS infinite and perfect will.
> >
> > Be hungry... be healthy (healthy folks are not anxious) ... be
> > blessed:
>
> > http://HeartMDPhD.com/PressRelease
> I really don't like to use foul language but you are a complete dumb
> ass aren't you?
Your name-calling simply shows that you are lost:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/dream.asp
The brethren of LORD Jesus Christ are neither perfect nor more
special...
... we are simply forgiven by GOD:
http://www.interviewwithgod.com/forgiven/
May you wisely choose to be forgiven too by publicly declaring with
your mouth that "Jesus is LORD:"
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/TheWay
runlikeana...@gmail.com
Free will is fairly difficult to prove. Do you truly know that your
course of action is your own doing? Cause and effect is a small
factor, yes, but imagine a world where causality
> > > > Why do you spew rhetoric rather
> > > > than personalizing yourself and saying things you truly mean and feel?
>
> > > :-) would be a feeling and not rhetoric :-)
>
> > > > You can quote the Bible all day long, but one day, that Bible won't
> > > > have your answer.
>
> > > Have not quoted the Bible here.
>
> > Including a Bible Verse is quoting the bible.
>
> Have not included a Bible verse.
>
No, not in this particular post you haven't, you are correct there.
But, lets take a look at some of your less recent posts. Quite
forgetful, eh? Could be a dissociative problem, the moments that you
can't remember are most likely when your zealous, narrow-minded alter
ego takes control and runs straight toward the keyboard.
My theory is, you live in a complete fantasy world with no finished
thoughts, no reason, only a few phrases. Did you create those websites
online praising the elusive Andrew B. Chung from Atlanta? I truly
believe you did, only because they are obviously the work of a fool
with Frontpage Express and funny, I've noticed that in other groups
where your credibility would be less questioned, people seem to take a
strong disliking to you there as well.
>
>
>
> > > > Then, what?
>
> > > Then one could quote the Bible :-)
>
> > > > You will be forced to think for yourself, then, what?
>
> > > See above :-)
>
> > > > I'm willing to bet you come from a long line of evangelicals.
>
> > > You would lose your bet :-)
>
> > > > If you aren't suffering from anxiety, studying the disease or are even
> > > > interested in helping anyone on this board, please, please, please,
> > > > stop wasting our time.
>
> > > Those who choose to turn to GOD will be helped by HIM.
>
> > > HIS purpose for me here remains to inform folks of this and other
> > > things per HIS infinite and perfect will.
>
> > > Be hungry... be healthy (healthy folks are not anxious) ... be
> > > blessed:
>
> > >http://HeartMDPhD.com/PressRelease
> > I really don't like to use foul language but you are a complete dumb
> > ass aren't you?
>
> Your name-calling simply shows that you are lost:
No, it doesn't. It shows that I just don't like you, in that I'm quite
sure.
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/dream.asp
>
> The brethren of LORD Jesus Christ are neither perfect nor more
> special...
>
> ... we are simply forgiven by GOD:
>
> http://www.interviewwithgod.com/forgiven/
>
> May you wisely choose to be forgiven too by publicly declaring with
> your mouth that "Jesus is LORD:"
Yes, you are correct, shall I ever declare "Jesus is LORD", I will
certainly submit a public apology.
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/TheWay
>
> Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,
>
> Andrew <><
> --
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Cardiologist
Thank you for these conversations, it really helps my sanity. I now
know that it could always be worse.
Cameron
And please, don't send me links. I'm from Alabama, I've heard all
about this and I really don't need a recap. How many times have you
read the Bible? I've read it seven times in full.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > > > > convicted neighbor David Silverman (Sanity's Little Helper) wrote:
> > > > > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > > > > > > convicted neighbor David Silverman (satan's Little Helper) slapping
> > > > > > > > himself silly:
> > > > > > > >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >
Love is the proof.
Without free will, there can be no love.
> Do you truly know that your course of action is your own doing?
Most assuredly, without doubt, I love GOD with all my heart, soul,
mind, and strength:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/love.asp
Be hungry... be healthy... be blessed:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/PressRelease
Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,
~tanya
<heartd...@emory(HAHAHA)cardiology.com> wrote:
> watching you saddens me.
he'll get nekkid soon enuff, hold tight ta that webcam'n don't hide
b'hind sticker bushes. owwww-wwWWWEEEEENIE !
> Your condition reminds me of Don Kirkman's predicament:
don kirkman predicament was sleepin' in whitey tighties, thus,
becoming YOUR precidament?
> Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love juices (yeah, i swallow)
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD,
> Cardiologist
~tanya (wearin' Flavah Flav's clock, YO !)
~tanya
<heartd...@emoryboardfingernailfile.com> wrote:
> Without the LORD, your opinions are meaningless (Ecclesiastes).
>
then yer opinyuns is mean--ing--lessssssss cuz i me'ah postcard from
bali taday from tha lord and he said he's livin' it up nekkin on tha
beach, and threw in his cell #... i called, he'd'ah dun fergot yer
name, andaroooooooonie, (cept ta recall that you were THE WEAKEST LINE
and fired ya long ago)and ya keep stalkin' his ass.. had ta hire 4
body guards... (heard it skrait from da lawd, muhself.)
i hear yer in TROUBLE WITH BUDDAH, TOO, BOY, and ole "chunkster" on
play either, "chungster.)
ya bettah be doin'ah "slackin' on ya whack"...
...or yer gonna be findin' yerself square in tha lap'o'lah omnipotent
crapola.
(and ya think augusta GEORgia is just no place ta be !!!!!)
> > Tell us more about your time at Emory, explaining why you do no teaching
> > there.
>
> The dear friends at Emory already know that metabolic syndrome (MetS)
> is caused by the visceral adipose tissue (VAT) arising from overeating
> so that this need not be taught there but out here in the community:
>
> http://TheHealthFair.com
>
> Truth is simple :-)
YA SURE AVOIDED THAT QUESTION !!!!!!!
the question was not specific, it was general...
SO WHY YA NOT TEACHIN' AT EMORY, ANDAROONIE?
and funny how ya don't promote yourself as part of their arena, alla
sudden after'ah few email and phone exchanges that continue, with tha
'powers that be' there.
coincidence?
sureeeeeeeee it is.
now answer the question posed, direction, please. ya doin' wanna fall
in to tha "avoidance category,", do ya now? and no GOD'S WILL cop
outs... we wanna know YER EARTHLY answer, or did god will you no brain
to think for yourself with and offer himself up as youy "excuse pony?
lalalala
::waitin::
~tanya (smarter than'ah 5th grader.)
.... uh.... ok..... i ain't.
~tanya
<runlikeanantelope...@gmail.com> wrote:
> If you aren't suffering from anxiety, studying the disease or are even
> interested in helping anyone on this board, please, please, please,
> stop wasting our time
you ARE new, RUN !
andaroonie is tha chrpees of tha forum, a canarial disease.
untweetable.
ole boy's been gettin' his jollies with negative attention now for
ages, all tha beggin' in tha world (i've even done it via phone) ain't
gonna motivate him ta scrape his dog shit off our or cross-posted
forum's shoes...
of course, the best thing ta do is ignore him'n take him game away,
but that doesn't happens.
he's at least stopped the madness he was promoting in the name of
emory university, and it was no small task.
as he's an obvious sociopath, i expect he'll find a loophole to
continuing haunting those in need of this forum, as it's somes' only
outlet. he feels no remose, has no conscience, and blames it all on
god's will.
...so yer fightin'ah loosin' battle.
i'm in touch with Emory Univ, via phone and email, they're watchin'
him like'ah hawk, and without spewin' muh guts? THA BEST IS YET TA
COME !
SEE? ya COULD live with andarooooooooonie and he'd letcha ride in his
Neon.... (yanno, tha kind all successful cardiologist's drive.)
ALABAMA'S LOOKIN' PURDY GOOD NOW, EH?
xoxoxox
~tanya
~tanya
<runlikeanantelope...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > :-) would a feeling and not rhetoric :-)
DING DING DING ! WE GOT US'AH GEN-EW-WINE GEEEN-YUS HERE !
(was that's sentence?)
>
::sniped for brevity::
> I really don't like to use foul language
(me neither ! i KNEW we were'ah match made'n heaven.)
> but you are a complete dumb
> ass aren't you? Healthy folks are not anxious? I'm almost positive I
> eat healthier than 90% of America, I don't drink, I don't smoke, I
> don't use drugs, I take an aspirin when I have a headache and I'm not
> on medication. Just because I have an anxiety problem doesn't mean I'm
> unhealthy.
RUN? he's an expert in passive aggression, (the most desperate form
of communication, as his words, he can't own, (common in folks with
low self-esteem) and communicates with "fill in the blanks" that he
can easily deny. it's learned behavior borne of anger and of couse,
lack of confidence in taking a stand. the "blanks" leave room for him
NEVER being wrong.
they have support groups on how to deal with people like this and how
to deal with them, if you find it important enough.
.. although i hope you just blow him off and KNOW you'll never get a
straight answer and he'll always have the support of his imaginary
friend, to get him off the proverbial hook. (he calls him "jezus".)
they're quite'ah team. he even takes orders from homefry ! i.e. "IF
IT'S JEZUS' WILL, I'LL SWAT THAT THAR HORSEFLY." (fa real... i ain't
lyin'.)
> What do you get from all this? Are you really a cardiologist?
yes.. and i'm 22 years old with a body Demi Moore would die for.
> Is your
> last name really Chung?
that part's true.
> You are an idiot, whoever you are.
if it's jezus's will, he damned sure is.
let's kiss, Run... it's Jezus' will, i hear tell.
bahdum pum.
~t
(trust me.)
~tanya
<runlikeanantelope...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Thank you for these conversations, it really helps my sanity. I now
> know that it could always be worse.
yeah... ya could be'ah broke-assed moh-rahn with'ah neon gettin' tha
"what fer" from Emory and claimin' cardiology practices that don't
exist, while claiming referrals from Emory,
they ain't happy.
>
> Cameron
>
> And please, don't send me links. I'm from Alabama, I've heard all
> about this and I really don't need a recap. How many times have you
> read the Bible? I've read it seven times in full.
dang... i'm from tennesse... we're only required 5 times.
maybe that's why i'm'ah heathen.
(plus my Dad wasn'ah church'ah christ minister most muh life.)
that'll plumb screw up'ah gal's social life... (unless she's real
creative.)
lalalalala
i ain't sure he's read tha bible.
i think he may be stuck on "see dick"....
(he'll get to tha "run" part eventually)
... I HAVE FAITH !
.... (just guessin,' really)
~tatatatatannnnnnnnnnya
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
>
> he'll get nekkid soon enuff, hold tight ta that webcam'n don't hide
Would suggest you two get a private room.
This simply shows that the Holy Spirit is absolutely right to convict
both of you:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts
~tanya
<and...@emorycardiology.com> wrote:
> convicted friend ~tanya wrote:
> > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
> > >http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/8ac1b9970bc9eb63?.
>
i fergot his name already tho. Kirk sumthin.
and THANKS, but i prefer tha public display of a park bench.
> This simply shows that the Holy Spirit is absolutely right to convict
> both of you:
if fuckin' on'ah park bench gets me convicted, boyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
howdy, (we dun wanna look at muh fate dictated by behavior that makes
even ME blush, it's sooooooo..uhhhhhh.... KINKY, FILTHY, AND FUNNER'N
CRAP !!!!!
>
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts
(VOMIT)
> Be hungry...
::gulp::
> be healthy
heyyyy, i bought that "fulla protein" crap in high school... YA CAN'T
FOOL ME NOW! we ALL know "prvention of wrinkles" is tha REAL DEAL !
>... be blessed:
sprinkle'ah lil holy water on me, how 'bout it. (i bought that'n too,
but i like it so.... i'll keep it.)
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/PressRelease
>
> Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,
>
> Andrew <><
> --
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Card Shark,
>KINK KLANG KING'AH THA RIM RAM ROOM
~tanya (tinkletinklelittlestar)
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > convicted friend ~tanya wrote:
> > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >
> > > >http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/8ac1b9970bc9eb63?.
> >
> > > b'hind sticker bushes. owwww-wwWWWEEEEENIE ! <snip> (yeah, i swallow)
>
>
> i fergot his name already tho. Kirk sumthin.
Anxiolytics can impair short term memory.
May GOD bless you in HIS mighty way making you healthier (hungrier)
than ever:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/PressRelease
Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,
Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Cardiologist
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
>
> If you don't use your muscles than they will nolonger store glucose for you
> as glycogen.
Untrue.
> The ingested carbohydrate is than processed by your liver and
> stored as fat in VLDL-particles.
Incorrect.
Liver can and does store excess glucose as glycogen.
> The primary defect is thus muscle insulin
> resistance which causes abdominal fat and T2D.
Incorrect.
It is well established that visceral adipose tissue (VAT) happens
before insulin resistance (IR/MetS) occurs.
> The article below is free and uses a very nice nmr technique to measure
> where the carbohydrate of your meal goes :
>
>
> Proc Natl Acad Sci U S A. 2007 Jul 18
This reference is incorrect. The publication date in July 31, 2007:
http://www.pnas.org/cgi/reprint/0705408104v1.pdf
> The role of skeletal muscle insulin resistance in the pathogenesis of the
> metabolic syndrome.
>
> This contribution is part of the special series of Inaugural Articles by
> members of the National Academy of Sciences elected on May 1, 2007. We
> examined the hypothesis that insulin resistance in skeletal muscle promotes
> the development of atherogenic dyslipidemia, associated with the metabolic
> syndrome, by altering the distribution pattern of postprandial energy
> storage. Following ingestion of two high carbohydrate mixed meals, net
> muscle glycogen synthesis was reduced by approximately 60% in young, lean,
> insulin-resistant subjects compared with a similar cohort of age-weight-body
> mass index-activity-matched, insulin-sensitive, control subjects. In
> contrast, hepatic de novo lipogenesis and hepatic triglyceride synthesis
> were both increased by >2-fold in the insulin-resistant subjects. These
> changes were associated with a 60% increase in plasma triglyceride
> concentrations and an approximately 20% reduction in plasma high-density
> lipoprotein concentrations but no differences in plasma concentrations of
> TNF-alpha, IL-6, adiponectin, resistin, retinol binding protein-4, or
> intraabdominal fat volume.
>
> ****These data demonstrate that insulin resistance in skeletal muscle, due
> to decreased muscle glycogen synthesis, can promote atherogenic dyslipidemia
> by changing the pattern of ingested carbohydrate away from skeletal muscle
> glycogen synthesis into hepatic de novo lipogenesis, resulting in an
> increase in plasma triglyceride concentrations and a reduction in plasma
> high-density lipoprotein concentrations. *********
>
> Furthermore, insulin resistance in these subjects was independent of changes
> in the plasma concentrations of TNF-alpha, IL-6, high-molecular-weight
> adiponectin, resistin, retinol binding protein-4, or intraabdominal obesity,
> suggesting that these factors do not play a primary role in causing insulin
> resistance in the early stages of the metabolic syndrome.
>
> PMID: 17640906
This study has already been discussed in a parallel thread:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/b82a8c2b5824f8fb?
Be hungry... be healthy... be blessed:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/PressRelease
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> This study has already been discussed in a parallel thread:
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/b82a8c2b5824f8fb?
>
> Be hungry... be healthy... be blessed... be spammed:
>
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/PressRelease
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> GysdeJongh wrote:
>>
>> If you don't use your muscles than they will nolonger store glucose for
>> you
>> as glycogen.
>
> Untrue.
>
>> The ingested carbohydrate is than processed by your liver and
>> stored as fat in VLDL-particles.
>
> Incorrect.
>
> Liver can and does store excess glucose as glycogen.
>
>> The primary defect is thus muscle insulin
>> resistance which causes abdominal fat and T2D.
>
> Incorrect.
>
> It is well established that visceral adipose tissue (VAT) happens
> before insulin resistance (IR/MetS) occurs.
>
>> The article below is free and uses a very nice nmr technique to measure
>> where the carbohydrate of your meal goes :
>>
>>
>> Proc Natl Acad Sci U S A. 2007 Jul 18
>
> This reference is incorrect. The publication date in July 31, 2007:
>
> http://www.pnas.org/cgi/reprint/0705408104v1.pdf
Andrew,
The article you post proves that the comments you gave above are not true.
The article shows that the VAT didn't significantly differ between the
insulin resistant groups and the control group. It therefore shows that the
insulin resistance in muscle came before the VAT came.
I should just quit posting to you because I know no matter what I say, or
what proof you see you are just going to keep believing what you believe,
yet somehow I am still posting. For me, and many others here, knowing that
the insulin resistance in the muscles comes first is very important to our
health. It does show us the way to be healthier without necessarily being
hungrier. It does show us to watch the carbs to avoid or reduce obesity
since our bodies do not react the same way to the carbs as others who do not
go on to develop obesity or diabetes.
There is proof that eating a low calorie diet with high nutrient density
does increase lifespan dramatically in animals, and I believe it is also
true in people, so what you say is not so far off. We would indeed have a
better chance at getting to live longer if we ate a low calorie diet that
was rich in nutrients even to the point of being regularly hungry, as long
as it wasn't so severe it starved us to death and as long as it actually was
dense in nutrients. There are people who do this.
But, the 2 pound diet is not so good in my opinion as it would be very
difficult to eat enough nutrient dense food on 2 pounds a day. If anyone
starts paying attention to what produce weighs, they will see it is
impossible to eat many calories from fruit or vegetable sources before you
are over 2 pounds of food because fruits and veggies have high water
contents. I think only ill health could come from following the 2 pound
diet over a long period of time. Counting calories and counting nutrients
carefully to make sure you are getting enough would be the wiser way to eat
a low calorie diet over a long period of time.
KC
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >>
> >> If you don't use your muscles than they will nolonger store glucose for
> >> you
> >> as glycogen.
> >
> > Untrue.
> >
> >> The ingested carbohydrate is than processed by your liver and
> >> stored as fat in VLDL-particles.
> >
> > Incorrect.
> >
> > Liver can and does store excess glucose as glycogen.
> >
> >> The primary defect is thus muscle insulin
> >> resistance which causes abdominal fat and T2D.
> >
> > Incorrect.
> >
> > It is well established that visceral adipose tissue (VAT) happens
> > before insulin resistance (IR/MetS) occurs.
> >
> >> The article below is free and uses a very nice nmr technique to measure
> >> where the carbohydrate of your meal goes :
> >>
> >>
> >> Proc Natl Acad Sci U S A. 2007 Jul 18
> >
> >
> > http://www.pnas.org/cgi/reprint/0705408104v1.pdf
>
> Andrew,
>
> The article you post proves that the comments you gave above are not true.
The publication date is July 31, 2007.
VAT is indeed present before IR/MetS in each instance given in the
article.
> The article shows that the VAT didn't significantly differ between the
> insulin resistant groups and the control group.
The study did not have enough power (too few enrolled volunteers) to
detect small differences in amount of VAT.
With the constraint the volunteers be normal weight, the differences
in amount of VAT was expected to be small.
If they has chosen to look at overweight folks, the differences in
amount of VAT would have probably been large enough for them to detect
a difference despite the small study size.
> It therefore shows that the
> insulin resistance in muscle came before the VAT came.
Erroneous conclusion arise from a faulty interpretation of flawed
data.
Only finding folks developing insulin resistance in muscle while
having absolutely no VAT would prove that such insulin resistance
precedes the formation of VAT.
This finding did not occur in the study described in the cited PNAS
article.
To the contrary, VAT was detected and quantified in **all** of the
folks with IR/MetS studied.
> I should just quit posting to you because I know no matter what I say, or
> what proof you see you are just going to keep believing what you believe,
> yet somehow I am still posting.
See above for what it would take to convince me otherwise.
> For me, and many others here, knowing that
> the insulin resistance in the muscles comes first is very important to our
> health.
Falsely believing this gives you false hope that exercise will help
you cure your condition while dashing the hopes of a cure for those
who are physically unable to exercise.
Thankfully, even those who a physically unable to exercise are able to
choose to eat less, down to the optimal amount to become hungrier
(healthier), losing the VAT, curing the IR/MetS, and possible curing
their type-2 diabetes:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/Healing
> It does show us the way to be healthier without necessarily being
> hungrier.
That would be a false way... one that does not work.
> It does show us to watch the carbs to avoid or reduce obesity
> since our bodies do not react the same way to the carbs as others who do not
> go on to develop obesity or diabetes.
You will discover if you have not already that watching carbs neither
avoids nor reduces VAT formation especially if there is loss of
hunger.
It is only when we are hungry that our bodies get rid of VAT.
The physiological explanation for this is that it is only when we are
hungry that vascular perfusion of VAT and viscera (GI tract) is
increased to a level that permits extraction of lipid stores from VAT
to effect the apoptosis of its cells.
> There is proof that eating a low calorie diet with high nutrient density
> does increase lifespan dramatically in animals, and I believe it is also
> true in people, so what you say is not so far off.
Actually, laboratory animals double their lifespan when researchers
simply halve their intake from what they would typically eat ad lib in
the lab.
> We would indeed have a
> better chance at getting to live longer if we ate a low calorie diet that
> was rich in nutrients even to the point of being regularly hungry, as long
> as it wasn't so severe it starved us to death and as long as it actually was
> dense in nutrients.
The hunger would indicate that neither starving nor nutrient
deficiencies were taking place.
> There are people who do this.
Those who have befriended hunger are doing this.
> But, the 2 pound diet is not so good in my opinion as it would be very
> difficult to eat enough nutrient dense food on 2 pounds a day.
32 ounces is plenty of food to avoid nutritional deficiencies.
If you do not believe this, it would be a simple matter to take a
daily multivitamin to allay any such concerns.
> If anyone
> starts paying attention to what produce weighs, they will see it is
> impossible to eat many calories from fruit or vegetable sources before you
> are over 2 pounds of food because fruits and veggies have high water
> contents.
We do not want folks with VAT to eat many calories.
It is eating many calories that caused the VAT and is keeping it
around.
> I think only ill health could come from following the 2 pound
> diet over a long period of time.
Been using this Approach for 10 years with only beneficial effect.
> Counting calories and counting nutrients
> carefully to make sure you are getting enough would be the wiser way to eat
> a low calorie diet over a long period of time.
Those who are unable to weigh their meals to eat less are even less
able to count both calories and nutrients.
Truly, it is the world's great lie that "hunger is bad" that is
keeping you from the truth, dear Kathy.
Chris Malcolm
> "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <hear...@emorycardiology.com> wrote in message
> news:1185570212.2...@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...
> Andrew,
[snip]
> There is proof that eating a low calorie diet with high nutrient density
> does increase lifespan dramatically in animals, and I believe it is also
> true in people, so what you say is not so far off. We would indeed have a
> better chance at getting to live longer if we ate a low calorie diet that
> was rich in nutrients even to the point of being regularly hungry, as long
> as it wasn't so severe it starved us to death and as long as it actually was
> dense in nutrients. There are people who do this.
> But, the 2 pound diet is not so good in my opinion as it would be very
> difficult to eat enough nutrient dense food on 2 pounds a day. If anyone
> starts paying attention to what produce weighs, they will see it is
> impossible to eat many calories from fruit or vegetable sources before you
> are over 2 pounds of food because fruits and veggies have high water
> contents. I think only ill health could come from following the 2 pound
> diet over a long period of time.
I don't follow it, but based on checking out a typical week's diet for
me a few years ago I suspect I eat about 2lbs of food a day, and have
been doing so for many years.
> Counting calories and counting nutrients
> carefully to make sure you are getting enough would be the wiser way to eat
> a low calorie diet over a long period of time.
I think it's silly to use indirect surrogate end-points in dietary
control when it's easy enough to measure the real thing. If you want
to know whether you're eating enough calories all you have to do is to
weigh yourself regularly. If you're not losing weight you're eating
enough. No need at all to count carbs. Not only is counting carbs more
work, but it depends on all sorts of assumptions which may not always
be true.
The same point applies to the 2lb diet. As you point out removing
chips from a meal and adding cabbage might well make it both heavier
and lower in calories. But if you want to reduce weight you don't need
to weigh your plates any more than you need to count calories. All
you need to do is to weigh yourself, and eat less if you're not losing
weight.
--
Chris Malcolm c...@infirmatics.ed.ac.uk DoD #205
IPAB, Informatics, JCMB, King's Buildings, Edinburgh, EH9 3JZ, UK
[http://www.dai.ed.ac.uk/homes/cam/]
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Folks can't eat less if they don't know how much they are eating,
Chris.
Be hungry... be healthy... be blessed.
KC
"Chris Malcolm" <c...@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> wrote in message
news:5h0safF...@mid.individual.net...
>
> I think it's silly to use indirect surrogate end-points in dietary
> control when it's easy enough to measure the real thing. If you want
> to know whether you're eating enough calories all you have to do is to
> weigh yourself regularly. If you're not losing weight you're eating
> enough. No need at all to count carbs. Not only is counting carbs more
> work, but it depends on all sorts of assumptions which may not always
> be true.
Of course there is a need to count carbs for a diabetic who is injecting
boluses of insulin based on how many carbs they eat. But, I imagine that
you are posting from a group that is not alt.support.diabetes.
KC
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
>
> > I think it's silly to use indirect surrogate end-points in dietary
> > control when it's easy enough to measure the real thing. If you want
> > to know whether you're eating enough calories all you have to do is to
> > weigh yourself regularly. If you're not losing weight you're eating
> > enough. No need at all to count carbs. Not only is counting carbs more
> > work, but it depends on all sorts of assumptions which may not always
> > be true.
>
> Of course there is a need to count carbs for a diabetic who is injecting
> boluses of insulin based on how many carbs they eat. But, I imagine that
> you are posting from a group that is not alt.support.diabetes.
Actually, Chris is posting from ASD.
As for the need to count carbs for a diabetic who is injecting
insulin, the case could be made that if there is no weighing of meals,
there is no real counting of carbs from the view of a scientist like
Chris.
tr...@is-better.com
insulin, the case could be made that if there is no weighing of meals,
there is no real counting of carbs from the view of a scientist like
Chris."
Mr. chung is to be ignored for all matters related to diabetes, as any
who have read but a few of his ill advised posts come to know quickly.
Any new readers should know the facts of his poor advice. All the below
can be supported upon request.
He has not kept up on the research in diabetes and related areas of
science. He has invented a two pound diet based on trash science he has
also invented. It was invented to serve a non-science agenda also of
his own invention. He willfully ignores valid science research which
refutes in part and in whole all the claims of both his two pound diet
and the agenda. He has been shown that research but refuses to
acknowledge it.
One should at once and with complete peace of mind ignore him in this
area of medicine and science.
God bless.