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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
>
> Scripture taken from the New King James Version. Copyright � 1982 by
> Thomas Nelson, Inc. Used by permission. All rights reserved.
>
>
> Titus 3
>
> Graces of the Heirs of Grace
>
> 1 Remind them to be subject to rulers and authorities, to obey, to be
> ready for every good work, 2 to speak evil of no one, to be peaceable,
> gentle, showing all humility to all men. 3 For we ourselves were also
> once foolish, disobedient, deceived, serving various lusts and
> pleasures, living in malice and envy, hateful and hating one another.
> 4 But when the kindness and the love of God our Savior toward man
> appeared, 5 not by works of righteousness which we have done, but
> according to His mercy He saved us, through the washing of
> regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit, 6 whom He poured out on
> us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Savior, 7 that having been
> justified by His grace we should become heirs according to the hope of
> eternal life.
> 8 This is a faithful saying, and these things I want you to affirm
> constantly, that those who have believed in God should be careful to
> maintain good works. These things are good and profitable to men.
>
>
> I was wondering what exactly does it mean to ""maintain good works""
The Biblical definition of good is "what GOD wants."
Therefore, "maintain good works" means to do "what GOD wants."
This is only possible by knowing what GOD wants.
"... with GOD all things are possible." -- LORD Jesus Christ (Matthew
19:26)
Amen.
What does Jesus want?
Matt, can you publicly say "Jesus is LORD" ?
Love in the truth,
Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-certified Heart Doctor
and Author of "Be Hungry"
http://NetCabal.com
"Don't be left behind as were Cleopas and Simon ...
... -----------------> be hungry ! ! !"
"... no one can say 'Jesus is LORD' except by the Holy Spirit." (1 Cor
12:3)
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/035c93540862751c?
What are the keys of the Kingdom of Heaven?
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/980b41e6999de315?
Only the truth can cure the "hunger is starvation" delusion:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/74281ab7d7ce78de?
JohnH
doctor, that you have a PhD, and that you're a cardiologist?
Insecurity? Need for validation? Ego? Pride?
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>> ;;;Matt;;; wrote:
>>
> doctor, that you have a PhD, and that you're a cardiologist?
It is right.
>Insecurity?
No.
> Need for validation?
No.
> Ego?
No.
> Pride?
No.
John, can you publicly say "Jesus is LORD" ?
Love in the truth,
Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-certified Heart Doctor
Sensei
Andrew Chung:
Is a frequent and proven liar (evidence archived forever on Google)
Has lost numerous NNTP accounts with supernews and others, has had many
Google accounts nuked, and his vanity domain heartmdphd.com is now
banned from setting up accounts. He is instead using multiple Google
sock accounts and email addresses in the format lo...@thetruth.com (#
being a number)
Is unemployed after being sacked with cause from his one and only job
after just over 80 days
Fled the state of Florida, and now claims to practice in Georgia despite
having no admission priveliges in the State's hospitals
Runs a phony foundation with a total declared income of circa $200, the
ownership and contact details of which are obfuscated on its website
Makes failed prophecies concerning earthquakes with areas and dates,
which don't happen (remember the bible quotes about false prophets)
Performed a public attempt at 'exorcising' a Malaysian sock on usenet,
then denied doing it. He has recently reversed position again and admits
to practicing exorcism by usenet, proving himself a liar in the process.
Promotes a dangerous diet, with a million dollar guarantee that he
demands thirty dollars to access details of. This despite being
unemployed. His soliciting and spamming for donations looks to be
similar to the Nigerian Advance Fee Fraud, where victims pay money
upfront in the hope of coming into riches but find they have merely
bought into a lie. Part of his advice is to pour nail polish remover onto
food.
Declares he has a cardiology practice despite posting night and day from
the same IP address (his home presumably) or a coffee shop internet cafe
Makes further false prophecies that we should now be all dying in a bird
flu pandemic. When these fail to happen, he does them all over again and
changes the dates. Nuclear war is another Chung spciality, which
naturally doesn't happen when he says it is going to.
Worships evil hatemonger Fred Phelps and will not denounce the acts of
Westboro's congregation. He even accuses someone with the name Phelps of
being Fred's son and refuses to accept he is completely wrong.
Uses the same patter as Pat Robertson, indicating his religious activity
is confined to watching cable TV. No evidence Chung has ever attended a
church.
Has a tendency to cyberstalk, particularly women. His wife fled some
time ago to another state, an act which Chung tries to pass off as "being
on vacation".
Frequently passes himself off as being qualified in areas such as
endocrinology, despite making incredibly fundamental blunders in his
'advice'. It is no wonder the Florida heart facility terminated him, and
has publicly denounced his version of events. Again archived on Google.
Don't forget the fake fast, where he didn't lose any weight, as well as
the infamous 666 stamping fiasco. His latest vile trick is spamming the
blogs of dying cancer patients and then crowing triumphantly when they
pass away.
JohnH
but they are absolutely meaningless in Christian groups, (and, just so
you know, they mean even less to me.)
>
>> Insecurity?
>
> No.
>
Bull.
>
>> Need for validation?
>
> No.
>
Hogwash.
>
>> Ego?
>
> No.
>
Baloney.
>
>> Pride?
>
> No.
>
Rubbish.
>
> John, can you publicly say "Jesus is LORD" ?
>
quest for a litmus-test for Christians, you've obviously trampled on
other scriptures...and don't even tell me that's not what you've done,
because that is precisely what you've done here.
"Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he
standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make
him stand" (Romans 14:4).
>
<SNIP>
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Not for the discerning.
>>> Insecurity?
>>
>> No.
>
> Bull.
It remains my choice to continue to write truthfully.
>>> Need for validation?
>>
>> No.
>
>Hogwash.
GOD's purpose for me here remains to inform and not to convince.
>>> Ego?
>>
>> No.
>
>Baloney.
It remains my personal choice to die to self daily so that there would
be no ego.
>>> Pride?
>>
>> No.
>
>Rubbish.
Pride dies with ego.
>> John, can you publicly say "Jesus is LORD" ?
>>
>Bet you think that you're really on to something there, but in your
>quest for a litmus-test for Christians, you've obviously trampled on
>other scriptures...and don't even tell me that's not what you've done,
>because that is precisely what you've done here.
Sad to not that you were not able to answer the above simple yes/no
question with a written affirmative.
May GOD soften your heart, JohnH, so that you would come to trust the
truth, Who is Jesus:
Amen.
JohnH
>
>
>>> John, can you publicly say "Jesus is LORD" ?
>>>
>> Bet you think that you're really on to something there, but in your
>> quest for a litmus-test for Christians, you've obviously trampled on
>> other scriptures...and don't even tell me that's not what you've done,
>> because that is precisely what you've done here.
>
> Sad to not that you were not able to answer the above simple yes/no
> question with a written affirmative.
>
12:3. If there was, then everyone you hear, ejaculating "Lord Jesus" in
malls and markets, on street-corners and job-sites, or at work and play,
are all believers and speaking by the Holy Ghost. However, we know that
that can't be true since Jesus even said it, Himself, in Matt. 7:21,
"Not every one that saith unto me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter into the
kingdom of heaven," which undeniably proves that it takes more than mere
words. And so your imaginary litmus-test for Christians is nothing more
than the prating of a fool.
>
<Snipped self-righteous and self-serving blathering.>
Don Kirkman
<h1li54$m1v$1...@news.albasani.net>:
><SNIP>
For your information, that is *precisely* a test to distinguish
sincere converts from other newcomers to the Christian
community--which the writer Paul intended only for use **within** the
existing group of believers. Chung's major error is to contend that
it's a universal shibboleth to sort out Christians from
non-Christians, and he's gone on from there to "discern" that
repeating the words can only be done with God's help, in total
disregard of common human experience.
><Snipped self-righteous and self-serving blathering.>
--
Don Kirkman
don...@charter.net
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>>
><SNIP>
>>
>>>> John, can you publicly say "Jesus is LORD" ?
>>>>
>>> Bet you think that you're really on to something there, but in your
>>> quest for a litmus-test for Christians, you've obviously trampled on
>>> other scriptures...and don't even tell me that's not what you've done,
>>> because that is precisely what you've done here.
>>
>> question with a written affirmative.
>>
>For your information, there isn't a litmus-test for Christians in 1 Cor.
>12:3.
It remains the experience of this disciple of Jesus that those who are
unable to answer the above simple yes/no question with a written
affirmative are invariably unable to publicly say "Jesus is LORD"
because the Holy Spirit is not willing to help them do it.
Bottom line concerning you and other non-christians:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/BottomLine
JohnH
>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>> <SNIP>
>>>
>>>>> John, can you publicly say "Jesus is LORD" ?
>>>>>
>>>> Bet you think that you're really on to something there, but in your
>>>> quest for a litmus-test for Christians, you've obviously trampled on
>>>> other scriptures...and don't even tell me that's not what you've done,
>>>> because that is precisely what you've done here.
>>> Sad to note that you were not able to answer the above simple yes/no
>>> question with a written affirmative.
>>>
>> For your information, there isn't a litmus-test for Christians in 1 Cor.
>> 12:3.
>
> It remains the experience of this disciple of Jesus that those who are
> unable to answer the above simple yes/no question with a written
> affirmative are invariably unable to publicly say "Jesus is LORD"
> because the Holy Spirit is not willing to help them do it.
>
self-serving credentials.
SNIP
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
It remains this disciple of Jesus' personal choice to continue to die
to self so that he continues to receive the guidance of the Holy
Spirit in everything said, done, and written.
Your not being able to publicly say "Jesus is LORD" means you are a
faux-christian because the Holy Spirit does help true Christians
publicly say "Jesus is LORD." (1 Cor 12:3)
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
>JohnH wrote:
>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
>
>>>> Bet you think that you're really on to something there, but in your
>>>> quest for a litmus-test for Christians, you've obviously trampled on
>>>> other scriptures...and don't even tell me that's not what you've done,
>>>> because that is precisely what you've done here.
>
>>> Sad to not that you were not able to answer the above simple yes/no
>>> question with a written affirmative.
>
>>For your information, there isn't a litmus-test for Christians in 1 Cor.
>>12:3. If there was, then everyone you hear, ejaculating "Lord Jesus" in
>>malls and markets, on street-corners and job-sites, or at work and play,
>>are all believers and speaking by the Holy Ghost. However, we know that
>>that can't be true since Jesus even said it, Himself, in Matt. 7:21,
>>"Not every one that saith unto me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter into the
>>kingdom of heaven," which undeniably proves that it takes more than mere
>>words. And so your imaginary litmus-test for Christians is nothing more
>>than the prating of a fool.
There are many who can say "Lord, Lord" and yet **not** "Jesus is
LORD" because the latter requires the help of the Holy Spirit
according to what is written in the Bible (1 Cor 12:3).
>For your information, that is *precisely* a test to distinguish
>sincere converts from other newcomers to the Christian
>community--which the writer Paul intended only for use **within** the
>existing group of believers.
Actually, the intention of the Holy Spirit Who inspired Apostle Paul
to convey this information through a public letter to the Corinthians
is for exactly this use by this disciple of Jesus in the here and now
to teach others how to determine who have been become reborn of water
and the Holy Spirit (John 3:3 --> Ezekiel 11:19-20):
"All Scripture is GOD-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking,
correcting and training in righteousness, so that the man of GOD may
be thoroughly equipped for every good work." (2 Timothy 3:16-17)
Amen.
Don, can you now publicly say "Jesus is LORD" ?
JohnH
1 Cor. 12:3 than just what appears on the surface. If 1 Cor. 12:3 was
the litmus-test for all Christians, then there would be other scriptures
to support it, and Chung would have shown them by now, which he hasn't.
>
> Chung's major error is to contend that
> it's a universal shibboleth to sort out Christians from
> non-Christians, and he's gone on from there to "discern" that
> repeating the words can only be done with God's help, in total
> disregard of common human experience.
>
JohnH
> JohnH wrote:
>>>> <SNIP>
>>>>>>> John, can you publicly say "Jesus is LORD" ?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bet you think that you're really on to something there, but in your
>>>>>> quest for a litmus-test for Christians, you've obviously trampled on
>>>>>> other scriptures...and don't even tell me that's not what you've done,
>>>>>> because that is precisely what you've done here.
>>>>> Sad to note that you were not able to answer the above simple yes/no
>>>>> question with a written affirmative.
>>>>>
>>>> For your information, there isn't a litmus-test for Christians in 1 Cor.
>>>> 12:3.
>>> It remains the experience of this disciple of Jesus that those who are
>>> unable to answer the above simple yes/no question with a written
>>> affirmative are invariably unable to publicly say "Jesus is LORD"
>>> because the Holy Spirit is not willing to help them do it.
>>>
>> Your self-proclaimed experience means even less to me than your
>> self-serving credentials.
>
> It...
>
<Self-righteous prating SNIPPED>
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Don Kirkman wrote:
>> JohnH wrote:
>>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>>
Incorrect.
The following verses supporting the profound implications of 1 Cor
12:3 have been part of earlier written discussions in other threads
that the Holy Spirit has guided me to initiate:
"That if you confess with your mouth, 'Jesus is LORD,' and believe in
your heart that GOD raised Him from the dead, you will be saved."
(Romans 10:9)
Amen.
"... and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is LORD, to the glory
of GOD the Father." (Phllippians 2:11)
Amen.
John, can you now publicly say "Jesus is LORD" ?
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>> JohnH wrote:
>>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>>>
>
><Self-righteous prating SNIPPED>
<not for the discerning who understand that you are projecting and
coveting>
If what the Holy Spirit guided the disciple of Jesus to write were
self-righteous, the following video evidence would not exist:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8B_70Jp-kc
Many thanks, much praise, and all the glory to GOD for His compelling
you to unwittingly show that you are guided by the spirit of error
(self) instead of the Holy Spirit.
Now all who are discerning should understand why you are not able to
publicly say "Jesus is LORD."
JohnH
>
> "All Scripture is GOD-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking,
> correcting and training in righteousness, so that the man of GOD may
> be thoroughly equipped for every good work." (2 Timothy 3:16-17)
>
you so conveniently snipped from my posts, right? Good one, Andy, you
hypocrite, you! [Oh, and just for your personal edification, there was
not a completed copy of the New Testament when Paul wrote that to
Timothy, and any serious student of the Bible should know that.]
>
<SNIP>
>
> Don, can you now publicly say "Jesus is LORD" ?
>
fall," Fool!
> Love in the truth,
>
<Yeah, yeah, yeah, and SNIP>
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
>
> LOL!!!
"Written laughter is silent despair." -- Holy Spirit
Amen.
Many thanks, much praise, and all the glory to GOD for His compelling
you to unwittingly update folks on your still not being able to
publicly say "Jesus is LORD."
May GOD soften your heart, JohnH, so that you would come to trust the
truth, Who is Jesus:
Amen.
Love in the truth,
JohnH
> JohnH wrote:
>> Don Kirkman wrote:
>
>
>>> For your information, that is *precisely* a test to distinguish
>>> sincere converts from other newcomers to the Christian
>>> community--which the writer Paul intended only for use **within** the
>>> existing group of believers.
>>>
>> Matt. 7:21 and Rom. 14:4 were ready examples that there must be more to
>> 1 Cor. 12:3 than just what appears on the surface. If 1 Cor. 12:3 was
>> the litmus-test for all Christians, then there would be other scriptures
>> to support it, and Chung would have shown them by now, which he hasn't.
>
> Incorrect.
>
> The following verses supporting the profound implications of 1 Cor
> 12:3 have been part of earlier written discussions in other threads
> that the Holy Spirit has guided me to initiate:
>
You are certainly full of yourself, that's for sure.
> "That if you confess with your mouth, 'Jesus is LORD,' and believe in
> your heart that GOD raised Him from the dead, you will be saved."
> (Romans 10:9)
>
It is open to interpretation as to whether or not that verse is also
literally saying "that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the
Holy Ghost." If a Bible verse is truly supported by another verse, then
that verse will not be open to any interpretations, plain and simple.
>
> Amen.
>
> "... and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is LORD, to the glory
> of GOD the Father." (Phllippians 2:11)
>
It is open to interpretation as to whether or not that verse is also
literally saying "that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the
Holy Ghost." If a Bible verse is truly supported by another verse, then
that verse will not be open to any interpretations, plain and simple.
>
> Amen.
>
Uh-huh.
>
> John, can you now publicly say "Jesus is LORD" ?
>
Andy, can you now publicly answer this: "Who art thou that judgest
another man's servant?"
> Love in the truth,
JohnH
> JohnH wrote:
>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>>> JohnH wrote:
>>>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> John, can you publicly say "Jesus is LORD" ?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Bet you think that you're really on to something there, but in your
>>>>>>>> quest for a litmus-test for Christians, you've obviously trampled on
>>>>>>>> other scriptures...and don't even tell me that's not what you've done,
>>>>>>>> because that is precisely what you've done here.
>>>>>>> Sad to note that you were not able to answer the above simple yes/no
>>>>>>> question with a written affirmative.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> For your information, there isn't a litmus-test for Christians in 1 Cor.
>>>>>> 12:3.
>>>>> It remains the experience of this disciple of Jesus that those who are
>>>>> unable to answer the above simple yes/no question with a written
>>>>> affirmative are invariably unable to publicly say "Jesus is LORD"
>>>>> because the Holy Spirit is not willing to help them do it.
>>>>>
>>>> Your self-proclaimed experience means even less to me than your
>>>> self-serving credentials.
>>> It...
>>>
>>> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/ce605ae8d3087d12?
>> <Self-righteous prating SNIPPED>
>
Jimmy Alpha
First off sightwalker, checking the true Bible, the KJV, one will see
Paul did not say "Jesus is LORD", but "Jesus is the Lord". Second, that
isn't a test for you to play with.
>> For your information, that is *precisely* a test to distinguish
>> sincere converts from other newcomers to the Christian
>> community--which the writer Paul intended only for use **within** the
>> existing group of believers.
>
> Actually, the intention of the Holy Spirit Who inspired Apostle Paul
> to convey this information through a public letter to the Corinthians
> is for exactly this use by this disciple of Jesus
Sightwalker, you need to check your *pride* and find a good Baptist
church and learn.
> in the here and now
> to teach others how to determine who have been become reborn of water
> and the Holy Spirit (John 3:3 --> Ezekiel 11:19-20):
That's OT in John 3, there was no *BLOOD* of Christ shed yet. Please
come into *GRACE* you Judaizer.
> "All Scripture is GOD-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking,
> correcting and training in righteousness, so that the man of GOD may
> be thoroughly equipped for every good work." (2 Timothy 3:16-17)
It's not showing from you sightwalker!
> Amen.
>
> Don, can you now publicly say "Jesus is LORD" ?
The real Bible uses "Jesus is the Lord", get it right if you're going to
use it you Judaizer.
> Love in the truth,
We see nothing but *pride* from the sightwalker and his phd. You are at
best a stumbling block.
Jimmy Alpha
Jimmy Alpha
>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>>
>>> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/898bc03ef9ea1acd?
>> LOL!!!
>
> "Written laughter is silent despair." -- Holy Spirit
You make it up as you go don't you sightwalker with a phd!
Jimmy Alpha
JohnH
> JohnH wrote:
>
>> LOL!!!
>
> "Written laughter is silent despair." -- Holy Spirit
>
any forum...medical, theological, or whatever.
Ken
> <Even more self-righteous prating SNIPPED>-
Does anyone need any more proof of Chung's OCD?
OCD compulsions are repetitive behaviors that you feel driven to
perform.
These repetitive behaviors are meant to prevent or reduce anxiety or
distress related to your obsessions.
You may also make up rules or rituals to follow that help control the
anxiety you feel when having obsessive thoughts
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>> JohnH wrote:
>>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>>
>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/898bc03ef9ea1acd?
>>>
>>
>> "Written laughter is silent despair." -- Holy Spirit
Amen.
>No, the written laughter indicates that I don't take you seriously in
>any forum...medical, theological, or whatever.
The Holy Spirit knows what is actually in your heart.
GOD is the Source of all knowledge.
Many thanks, much praise, and all the glory to GOD for His compelling
you to unwittingly update folks on your still being unable to publicly
say "Jesus is LORD" because you do not have the Holy Spirit's help.
Jimmy Alpha
sightwalker with a phd seems off the bubble and listing?
Jimmy Alpha
JohnH
> JohnH wrote:
>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>>> JohnH wrote:
>>>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/898bc03ef9ea1acd?
>>>> LOL!!!
>>> "Written laughter is silent despair." -- Holy Spirit
>
> Amen.
>
>> No, the written laughter indicates that I don't take you seriously in
>> any forum...medical, theological, or whatever.
>
>
What was there about me not taking you seriously that you didn't understand?
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > JohnH wrote:
> >> Don Kirkman wrote:
> >
> >>> For your information, that is *precisely* a test to distinguish
> >>> sincere converts from other newcomers to the Christian
> >>> community--which the writer Paul intended only for use **within** the
> >>> existing group of believers.
> >>
> >> Matt. 7:21 and Rom. 14:4 were ready examples that there must be more to
> >> 1 Cor. 12:3 than just what appears on the surface. If 1 Cor. 12:3 was
> >> the litmus-test for all Christians, then there would be other scriptures
> >> to support it, and Chung would have shown them by now, which he hasn't.
> >
> > Incorrect.
>
> Let others be the judge of that.
The fact remains that other verses supporting the utility of 1 Cor
12:3 in allowing those of us who are true Christians (either Jew or
gentile) to know who remain condemned have been previously cited.
> > The following verses supporting the profound implications of 1 Cor
> > 12:3 have been part of earlier written discussions in other threads
> > that the Holy Spirit has guided me to initiate:
>
> You are certainly full of yourself, that's for sure.
Without the LORD, your opinion is meaningless (Ecclesiastes).
> > "That if you confess with your mouth, 'Jesus is LORD,' and believe in
> > your heart that GOD raised Him from the dead, you will be saved."
> > (Romans 10:9)
Amen.
> It is open to interpretation as to whether or not that verse is also
> literally saying "that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the
> Holy Ghost."
Actually, this verse clearly teaches those of us who are discerning
that those like you, JohnH, who can't publicly say "Jesus is LORD" are
not saved.
> If a Bible verse is truly supported by another verse, then
> that verse will not be open to any interpretations, plain and simple.
Thankfully, Romans 10:9 clearly backs the utility of 1 Cor 12:3 in
allowing the discerning know who remain among the condemned (i.e. faux-
christians like you).
> > Amen.
> >
> > "... and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is LORD, to the glory
> > of GOD the Father." (Phllippians 2:11)
> >
> It is open to interpretation as to whether or not that verse is also
> literally saying "that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the
> Holy Ghost."
Actually, this verse teaches that at the present time not everyone can
publicly say "Jesus Christ is LORD" but that in a future time when the
eternally condemned are all destroyed that every tongue would be able
to publicly say "Jesus Christ is LORD."
Therefore, this verse also supports the utility of 1 Cor 12:3 in
allowing those of us who are true Christians (either Jew or gentile)
to know that you, JohnH, still need GOD's salvation because you are
not able to publicly say "Jesus is LORD."
> If a Bible verse is truly supported by another verse, then
> that verse will not be open to any interpretations, plain and simple.
See above.
> > Amen.
> >
> Uh-huh.
A telling response that allows those of us who are discerning to be
certained about your current condemned condition.
> > John, can you now publicly say "Jesus is LORD" ?
> >
> Andy, can you now publicly answer this: "Who art thou that judgest
> another man's servant?"
The Holy Spirit is doing the judging here because HE is looking into
your heart and concluding that HE is not helping you publicly say
"Jesus is LORD."
Sad to note that you are still not able to answer the above simple yes/
no question with a written affirmative.
May GOD soften your heart, JohnH, so that you would come to trust the
truth, Who is Jesus:
Amen.
Love in the truth,
Ken
Several cards away from playing with a full deck.
The elevator doesn't go anywhere near the top floor.
Not just out in left field, he's somewhere in the parking lot.
Drop all his marbles and never bother to look for them
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/4eafbeb876c89919?
May GOD soften your heart, JohnH, so that you would come to trust the
truth, Who is Jesus:
Amen.
Love in the truth,
Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-certified Heart Doctor
and Author of WDJW:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/What_does_Jesus_want%3F
fenben-no
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <disc...@T3WiJ.com> wrote in message
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> JohnH wrote:
>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>>> JohnH wrote:
>>>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>>>
>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/898bc03ef9ea1acd?
>>>>
>>>> LOL!!!
>>>
>>> "Written laughter is silent despair." -- Holy Spirit
>
> Amen.
>
>>No, the written laughter indicates that I don't take you seriously in
>>any forum...medical, theological, or whatever.
>
> The Holy Spirit knows what is actually in your heart.
Or in your case, up your ass.
Don Kirkman
>>> For your information, there isn't a litmus-test for Christians in 1 Cor.
>>> 12:3. If there was, then everyone you hear, ejaculating "Lord Jesus" in
>>> malls and markets, on street-corners and job-sites, or at work and play,
>>> are all believers and speaking by the Holy Ghost. However, we know that
>>> that can't be true since Jesus even said it, Himself, in Matt. 7:21,
>>> "Not every one that saith unto me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter into the
>>> kingdom of heaven," which undeniably proves that it takes more than mere
>>> words. And so your imaginary litmus-test for Christians is nothing more
>>> than the prating of a fool.
>> For your information, that is *precisely* a test to distinguish
>> sincere converts from other newcomers to the Christian
>> community--which the writer Paul intended only for use **within** the
>> existing group of believers.
>Matt. 7:21 and Rom. 14:4 were ready examples that there must be more to
>1 Cor. 12:3 than just what appears on the surface. If 1 Cor. 12:3 was
>the litmus-test for all Christians, then there would be other scriptures
>to support it, and Chung would have shown them by now, which he hasn't.
The solution to the apparent puzzle is simple: Paul was writing and
preaching before Matthew was written, and he was addressing a problem
in the Corinthian church, not the church in Rome (I can't recall if he
had even been to Rome by the time he wrote his first letter to the
Corinthians. And I specifically pointed out that it is NOT a litmus
test for all Christians.
>> Chung's major error is to contend that
>> it's a universal shibboleth to sort out Christians from
>> non-Christians, and he's gone on from there to "discern" that
>> repeating the words can only be done with God's help, in total
>> disregard of common human experience.
>That's what happens when someone forges a single-verse theology.
Or makes up his own "theology" as he goes along, with no attempt to
base it on traditional Judeo-Christian thought.
--
Don Kirkman
don...@charter.net
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> JohnH wrote:
>> Don Kirkman wrote:
>>>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/898bc03ef9ea1acd?
>>>>
>>>> 12:3. If there was, then everyone you hear, ejaculating "Lord Jesus" in
>>>> malls and markets, on street-corners and job-sites, or at work and play,
>>>> are all believers and speaking by the Holy Ghost. However, we know that
>>>> that can't be true since Jesus even said it, Himself, in Matt. 7:21,
>>>> "Not every one that saith unto me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter into the
>>>> kingdom of heaven," which undeniably proves that it takes more than mere
>>>> words. And so your imaginary litmus-test for Christians is nothing more
>>>> than the prating of a fool.
>
>>> For your information, that is *precisely* a test to distinguish
>>> sincere converts from other newcomers to the Christian
>>> community--which the writer Paul intended only for use **within** the
>>> existing group of believers.
>
>>Matt. 7:21 and Rom. 14:4 were ready examples that there must be more to
>>1 Cor. 12:3 than just what appears on the surface. If 1 Cor. 12:3 was
>>the litmus-test for all Christians, then there would be other scriptures
>>to support it, and Chung would have shown them by now, which he hasn't.
>
>The solution to the apparent puzzle is simple: Paul was writing and
>preaching before Matthew was written, and he was addressing a problem
>in the Corinthian church, not the church in Rome (I can't recall if he
>had even been to Rome by the time he wrote his first letter to the
>Corinthians. And I specifically pointed out that it is NOT a litmus
>test for all Christians.
It remains the way for those of us who are true Christians (either Jew
or gentile) to receive certain knowledge from the Holy Spirit whether
another is saved from eternal condemnation:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/4eafbeb876c89919?
>>> Chung's major error is to contend that
>>> it's a universal shibboleth to sort out Christians from
>>> non-Christians, and he's gone on from there to "discern" that
>>> repeating the words can only be done with God's help, in total
>>> disregard of common human experience.
>
>>That's what happens when someone forges a single-verse theology.
Lie ...
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/4eafbeb876c89919?
>Or makes up his own "theology" as he goes along ...
Lie.
You continue to be led around by satan ...
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/6c3ca11187d0eb9e?
> ... with no attempt to base it on traditional Judeo-Christian thought.
It remains wise to receive the perfect counsel of the Holy Spirit
instead of the erroneous counsel of men guided by the spirit of error
(self) as in your case.
Clearly, the problem remains that without guidance from the Holy
Spirit, the guidance is from the spirit of error (self) since neither
of you can publicly say "Jesus is LORD" because the Holy Spirit is not
willing to help either of you.
Bottom line concerning you and other non-christians:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/BottomLine
May GOD soften your heart, Don, so that you would come to trust the
truth, Who is Jesus:
Amen.
Love in the truth,
Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-certified Heart Doctor
and Author of "Be Hungry"
http://NetCabal.com
"Don't be left behind as were Cleopas and Simon ...
... -----------------> be hungry ! ! !"
"... no one can say 'Jesus is LORD' except by the Holy Spirit." (1 Cor
JohnH
litmus-test for all Christians. [According to one source (a Thompson
Chain-Reference Bible), Paul established the church in Corinth on his
second missionary journey, whereas he didn't visit the church in Rome
until his fourth missionary journey.]
>>> Chung's major error is to contend that
>>> it's a universal shibboleth to sort out Christians from
>>> non-Christians, and he's gone on from there to "discern" that
>>> repeating the words can only be done with God's help, in total
>>> disregard of common human experience.
>
>> That's what happens when someone forges a single-verse theology.
>
> Or makes up his own "theology" as he goes along, with no attempt to
> base it on traditional Judeo-Christian thought.
>
Don, it seems we're basically saying the same thing here, and I'm fine
with that. [As for Chung's delusion that he's writing in and for the
Holy Spirit, there are many institutionalized who believe that they're
on a mission from God, too.]
Jimmy Alpha
It seems 'sightwalker with a phd' isn't far from being institutionalized
himself. I feel all who are seeing his actions see something isn't right
You and monkfish seem on the mark with your observations.
Jimmy Alpha
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/89d799bf44907670?
May GOD soften your heart, Jimmy, so that you would come to trust the
truth, Who is Jesus:
Amen.
Love in the truth,
Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-certified Heart Doctor
and Author of WDJW:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/What_does_Jesus_want%3F
JohnH
completely enamored with his own works. 8-)
>
> Jimmy Alpha
JohnH
> You, Jimmy...
>
...spanked your bottom so expertly that your pain hasn't even set in yet.
Jimmy Alpha
I'm only replying to the 'sightwalker with a phd' so other can see being
a Christian isn't what makes one a kook. My guess is something along the
lines of, he was a disappointment to his earthly father in some big way
and is trying to make up for it to our Heavenly Father? Once we know his
story I'm sure we'll feel compassion instead of pity, remember even
sightwalker has a story.
Jimmy Alpha
amy
> "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <disci...@T3WiJ.com> wrote in messagenews:70mt351tl1dhl95a9...@4ax.com...
>
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>
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> > JohnH wrote:
> >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >>> JohnH wrote:
> >>>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
> >>>>>http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/898bc03ef9ea1acd?
>
> >>>> LOL!!!
>
> >>> "Written laughter is silent despair." -- Holy Spirit
>
> > Amen.
>
> >>No, the written laughter indicates that I don't take you seriously in
> >>any forum...medical, theological, or whatever.
>
> > The Holy Spirit knows what is actually in your heart.
>
>
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calm down. your faggotry knows no bounds
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
>>
>...spanked your bottom so expertly that your pain hasn't even set in yet.
Without the LORD, your fantasies are meaningless (Ecclesiastes).
Bottom line:
You, JohnH, remain a faux-christian (wolf in sheep clothing) ...
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/4eafbeb876c89919?
May GOD soften your heart, JohnH, so that you would come to trust the