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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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Oct 31, 2006, 2:14:34 PM10/31/06
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psalmsmith wrote:
> In article <1162314931.6...@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>,
> "Donna Kupp" <dk...@charter.net> wrote:
>
> > THE TEACHING OF JESUS:
> >
> > As He was teaching the "Sermon on the Mount", Jesus
> > warned His disciples that even though someone may say
> > "Jesus is Lord" and manifests a "spiritual gift", these things
> > are not proof of Salvation. Rather, it is only the one who
> > does the will of God who will enter the Kingdom of
> > God.
>
> And in this same line of thought, another thing I would suggest that
> Christians remain mindful of...
>
> The Church, by and large, teaches that when the Messiah came, He made it
> all easier for us, when in all actuality He set the bar HIGHER...
>
> The Sermon on the Mount, captured for us in Matthew chapters 5-7,
> dictates His interpretation of the Law, which the members of His Kingdom
> are obligated to keep.
>
> Our righteousness must EXCEED that of the scribes and pharisees:
>
> Mt 5:20-22 "For I say to you, that unless your
> righteousness shall abound more than that of the Scribes and
> Pharisees, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven. Ye
> have heard that it was said to the ancients, Thou shalt not
> kill: and every one that killeth, is obnoxious to judgment. But
> I say to you, That every one who is angry with his brother
> rashly, is obnoxious to judgment: and every one that saith to
> his brother, Raka! is obnoxious to the council: and every one
> that shall say, Fool! is obnoxious to hell-fire." [MUR]
>
> The Law reads, "Do Not Kill" but the Messiah had interpreted this tous
> as going even further to say "Do not hate, for if you are hateful, then
> you have already killed in your heart"
>
> Thus He has set the bar HIGHER, rather than lower.
>
> Mt 5:27,28 "Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou
> shalt not commit adultery. But I say to you, That whoever gazeth
> on a woman with concupiscence, at once committeth adultery with
> her in his heart." [MUR]
>
> The Law reads "Do Not Covet Your Neighbors Wife" and more specifically,
> "Do Not Commit Adultery."
>
> It is much easier to prevent ourselves from committing adultery than it
> is to prevent ourselves from lusting inside our heads and our hearts,
> where our sin is visible only to ourselves...and God.
>
> But the Messiah once again sets the bar HIGHER rather than lower, if we
> look upon someone to lust after them, then we have already committed
> adultery in our hearts.
>
> Mt 5:33-37 "Again, ye have heard that it hath been said
> to the ancients, Thou shalt not be false in thy oaths; but thou
> shalt perform thine oaths to the Lord. But I say to you, Swear
> not at all: not by heaven, for it is the throne of God: and not
> by the earth, for it is the footstool under his feet: and
> likewise not by Jerusalem, for it is the city of the great king.
> Moreover, thou shalt not swear by thy head, for thou canst not
> make one hair in it either black or white. But let your language
> be, Yes, yes; or No, no; for whatever is beyond these proceedeth
> from evil." [MUR]
>
> What was once considered relatively easy, do not swear false oaths; has
> once again had the bar set higher - do not swear ANY oath at all, but be
> so truthful that your yes means yes and your no means no - be so
> truthful that you can say yes or no, and not need to swear an oath to be
> believed.
>
> Mt 5:38-42 "Ye have heard that it hath been said: An eye
> for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth. But I say to you: Resist
> not evil; but if a person smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to
> him the other also. And if one is disposed to sue thee and get
> away thy coat, relinquish to him also thy cloak. Whoever
> compelleth thee to go one mile, go with him two. Whoever
> demandeth of thee, give to him: and whoever wisheth to borrow of
> thee, deny him not." [MUR]
>
> Again, the bar is set higher than before.
>
> Mt 5:43-47 "Ye have heard that it hath been said: Thou
> shalt love thy neighbor, and hate thy enemy. But I say to you:
> Love your enemies; and bless him that curseth you; and do good
> to him that hateth you; and pray for them that lead you in
> bonds, and that persecute you: that ye may be the children of
> your Father that is in heaven, who causeth his sun to rise upon
> the good and upon the bad, and sendeth his rain upon the
> righteous and upon the unrighteous. For, if ye love them that
> love you, what reward have ye? Do not even the publicans do
> this? And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye that is
> not common? Do not even publicans do this?" [MUR]
>
> Again, the bar is set higher than before. And here it is:
>
> Mt 5:48 "Be ye therefore perfect; even as your Father who
> is in heaven is perfect." [MUR]
>
> BE YE THEREFORE PERFECT.
>
> This is a command straight from the mouth of the Messiah. I kid you
> not. And in case we might be a little confused as to what He meant by
> perfect, He clarifies for us: "be ye therefore perfect, EVEN AS YOUR
> FATHER WHO IS IN HEAVEN IS PERFECT"
>
> Can you see now, that the bar has been raised, and NOT lowered? The
> people of God under the elder covenant; the Abrahamic Covenant, were not
> required to be perfect -- but WE are! So it has been commanded directly
> by the Messiah.
>
> Will any of us, as humans in a fallen world actually ATTAIN perfection?
> Doubtful. I know *I* have not. But we should certainly *want* to --
> and we should certainly *try*. Perfection will come with the return of
> Messiah, and we will cast off this mortal shell. In the interim, we
> should certainly strive to attain that command which He has set before
> us.

The only way is HIS way...

"I am the way, the truth, and the life... "-- LORD Jesus Christ

... by walking with the risen Christ Jesus, HIS brethren know and do
the will of the Father.

Place your faith in LORD Jesus Christ, receive GOD's love into your
heart, be guided by the Holy Spirit in everything you say, do, and
write and you will be perfect here and now in truth and in spirit.

May GOD continue to heal our hearts with His living water, dear brother
whom I love unconditionally.

Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung
Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit

As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the
unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies
(Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17).
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love

psalmsmith

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Oct 31, 2006, 2:36:32 PM10/31/06
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In article <1162322074.2...@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com>,

Indeed so.

> ... by walking with the risen Christ Jesus, HIS brethren know and do
> the will of the Father.

Also true.

However, not everyone who claims to walk with the Messiah - indeed, not
everyone who believes that they walk with the Messiah, actually do.

If we have a living, breathing, walking, DOING relationship with the
risen Lord, then we will desire with all of our hearts to live
righteously. In so doing, we will obey the Law by following Messiah and
His example -- even if we do not KNOW the Law.

As Paul said,

Ro 2:14-16 "for if Gentiles who have not the law, shall,
by their nature, do the things of the law; they, while without
the law, become a law to themselves: and they show the work of
the law, as it is inscribed on their heart; and their conscience
beareth testimony to them, their own reflections rebuking or
vindicating one another,)-- in the day in which God will judge
the secret actions of men, as my gospel teacheth, by Jesus the
Messiah.--" [MUR]

Righteousness is STILL described in the Law. We follow Messiah in order
to fulfill the Law, but by knowing the Law, we have shined light onto
the path before us.

Ps 119:105 "NUN. Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a
light unto my path." [KJV]

> Place your faith in LORD Jesus Christ, receive GOD's love into your
> heart, be guided by the Holy Spirit in everything you say, do, and
> write and you will be perfect here and now in truth and in spirit.

I am perfect, here and now; according to the grace of salvation which is
given to me in eternity. In this present time, in this present world,
however, physical perfection is unattainable. My body remains corrupt;
and the flesh decays and dies, returning to dust as God has decreed for
man.

Though in this eternal moment I am without sin entirely, in this present
world, I cannot say the same; for as John teaches us, if we say that we
have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us:

1Jo 1:8-10 "And if we say that we have no sin, we deceive
ourselves, and the truth is not in us. But if we confess our
sins, he is faithful and righteous, to forgive us our sins, and
to cleanse us from all our iniquity. If we say that we have not
sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not with us." [MUR]

Eternity is a realm beyond time, that has existed before time was, and
will continue to exist once time itself has faded from memory. In this
present, fleeting moment, eternity also exists wherein the saints have
already been perfected, and there is no sin anymore. But this present
temporal moment has not as of yet intersected that point of eternity
where all corruption has been destroyed. Such an hour is yet to come,
and for that hour the whole Body longs, looking heaven-wards in
anticipation of the returning Messiah coming to establish His Kingdom on
Earth.

> May GOD continue to heal our hearts with His living water, dear brother
> whom I love unconditionally.
>
> Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,

Amen brother, and may the Lord our God bless you to overflowing with
truth, righteousness, understanding, wisdom, and joy! Baruch atah
b'shem Adonai: Yeshua Moshiach Emmanuel. Omein.

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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Oct 31, 2006, 9:01:00 PM10/31/06
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psalmsmith wrote:

Yes, indeed, those who have GOD's love in their hearts have the
guidance of the Holy Spirit to keep them in GOD's will.

> If we have a living, breathing, walking, DOING relationship with the
> risen Lord, then we will desire with all of our hearts to live
> righteously. In so doing, we will obey the Law by following Messiah and
> His example -- even if we do not KNOW the Law.

Correct. With GOD's love in their hearts, the brethren of the Messiah
are able to abide by the two most important commandments of GOD:

(1) Love GOD with all your heart, soul, mind, and strength.

(2) Love others as you love yourself.

Those who keep these two commandments are automatically "by their
nature" living righteously.

"All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments." -- LORD
Jesus Christ (Matthew 22:40)

> As Paul said,
>
> Ro 2:14-16 "for if Gentiles who have not the law, shall,
> by their nature, do the things of the law; they, while without
> the law, become a law to themselves: and they show the work of
> the law, as it is inscribed on their heart; and their conscience
> beareth testimony to them, their own reflections rebuking or
> vindicating one another,)-- in the day in which God will judge
> the secret actions of men, as my gospel teacheth, by Jesus the
> Messiah.--" [MUR]
>
> Righteousness is STILL described in the Law.

Correct. The righteousness does not come from knowing the Law but from
loving GOD. Abraham was credited with righteousness **before** the
Law.

> We follow Messiah in order
> to fulfill the Law, but by knowing the Law, we have shined light onto
> the path before us.

Yes. Our following the Messiah because we love Him makes us His
brethren. With GOD's love in our hearts, our **new** nature conforms
to Him while no longer conforming to things of this world.

> Ps 119:105 "NUN. Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a
> light unto my path." [KJV]
>
> > Place your faith in LORD Jesus Christ, receive GOD's love into your
> > heart, be guided by the Holy Spirit in everything you say, do, and
> > write and you will be perfect here and now in truth and in spirit.
>
> I am perfect, here and now; according to the grace of salvation which is
> given to me in eternity. In this present time, in this present world,
> however, physical perfection is unattainable. My body remains corrupt;
> and the flesh decays and dies, returning to dust as God has decreed for
> man.

Yes. We are the worshippers that GOD wants because we worship Him is
truth and in spirit. In the latter, we are perfect because GOD is
perfect and is spirit.

> Though in this eternal moment I am without sin entirely, in this present
> world, I cannot say the same; for as John teaches us, if we say that we
> have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us:
>
> 1Jo 1:8-10 "And if we say that we have no sin, we deceive
> ourselves, and the truth is not in us. But if we confess our
> sins, he is faithful and righteous, to forgive us our sins, and
> to cleanse us from all our iniquity. If we say that we have not
> sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not with us." [MUR]

Yes. This is the meaning behind Christ Jesus' washing our feet, which
is that part of our bodies that still comes in contact with the world
while we remain in this world though we are no longer of this world.
Without Jesus, we would not be presentable before our heavenly Father.

> Eternity is a realm beyond time, that has existed before time was, and
> will continue to exist once time itself has faded from memory. In this
> present, fleeting moment, eternity also exists wherein the saints have
> already been perfected, and there is no sin anymore. But this present
> temporal moment has not as of yet intersected that point of eternity
> where all corruption has been destroyed. Such an hour is yet to come,
> and for that hour the whole Body longs, looking heaven-wards in
> anticipation of the returning Messiah coming to establish His Kingdom on
> Earth.

Agree. Such is the unity that is achievable in the Holy Spirit with
GOD's love in our hearts.

> > May GOD continue to heal our hearts with His living water, dear brother
> > whom I love unconditionally.
> >
> > Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
>
> Amen brother, and may the Lord our God bless you to overflowing with
> truth, righteousness, understanding, wisdom, and joy! Baruch atah
> b'shem Adonai: Yeshua Moshiach Emmanuel. Omein.

Many thanks, much praise, and all the glory to GOD for His love, which
is the living water that quenches the unquenchable thirst of our souls
thereby conferring eternal life, that binds us together as the beloved
brethren of LORD Jesus Christ.

Laus Deo !

Marana tha ! !

Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,

Andrew <><

Ace Berserker

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Nov 3, 2006, 3:33:40 PM11/3/06
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49 of 60 people found the following review helpful:

disappointing..., 12 Jul 2006
Reviewer: W. Abbot (South Bucks) - See all my reviews

I read this book a few months ago and came away slightly disappointed.
It seems to get a lot of praise amongst certain folk and institutions,
however, I can not agree with their love for the book. It's divided
into two main sections: the Old Testament and the New Testament, with
both sections further sub-divided into many different chapters. The
first section (Old Testament) follows the creation of existence,
introduction of human, animals, plants etc, and the punishment of
humans by the lead protagonist (God). The God character seems to have
been oddly portrayed; especially considering the vast amount of praise
people seem to give him. He comes across as a egotistical psychopath,
who's obsessed with maintaining his own glory at the expense of the
humans he 'created'. Whilst this theme is interesting to start with
(the destruction of the 7 tribes part particularly fun), it soon
becomes dull. The second section follows a different theme, with its
centre storyline follow a character named Jesus Christ. He seems to
change much of the original message to something more moral, i.e. less
genocide. However, just as he is getting interesting, the character is
killed off, only to be 'resurrected' later. All in all the book is a
difficult read, should not be taken too heavily, and not one for the
kids. It got the two stars for its entertaining introduction and
conclusion, and its unique style of writing. However, there are plenty
of other books out there that answer similar questions, notably the
Outsider by Albert Camus and The Blind Watchmaker by Richard Dawkins.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Holy-Bible/dp/0840700555/sr=8-2/qid=1161940167/ref=pd_ka_2/202-6637943-7511005

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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Nov 3, 2006, 4:12:20 PM11/3/06
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Many thanks, much praise, and all the glory to GOD for compelling you
to show how the way to HIM is narrow and will be travelled by few.

Laus Deo ! !

"I am the way, the truth, and the life..." -- LORD Jesus Christ

Amen ! Laus Deo ! ! Marana tha ! ! ! ! ! ! !

GOD is simply amazing:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/352546a7bf4a81ee?

This victory belongs to GOD Whom I love with all my heart, soul, mind,
and strength:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/fear.asp

Your consolation prize is eternal life if you choose to surrender to
HIM:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/fcb058da12bb3f3d?

May GOD in HIS unfathomable mercy and grace keep your heart beating to
give you extra time to understand and act on this, dear neighbor whom I
love unconditionally.

Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,

Andrew <><


--
Andrew B. Chung
Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit

As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the
unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies
(Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17).
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love

Michael Gray

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Nov 3, 2006, 6:01:52 PM11/3/06
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On 3 Nov 2006 12:33:40 -0800, "Ace Berserker" <redja...@yahoo.com>
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This is truly good!
I wish I had thought of doing domething like it...

--

mariposas rand mair fheal greykitten tomys des anges

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Nov 3, 2006, 6:28:12 PM11/3/06
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In article <3iink2t74ilist33q...@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <mike...@newsguy.com> wrote:

> This is truly good!
> I wish I had thought of doing domething like it...

you will
you will

meow arf meow - they are performing horrible experiments in space
major grubert is watching you - beware the bakalite
there can only be one or two - the airtight garage has you neo

Steve O

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Nov 3, 2006, 7:05:24 PM11/3/06
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"Michael Gray" <mike...@newsguy.com> wrote in message
news:3iink2t74ilist33q...@4ax.com...

I just submitted a somewhat more concise review of my own as follows

_________________________________________________
The Holy Bible

...All in all, it's a good book.

SPOILER
+
+
+
+
+
+
+
..........He gets killed in the end.

________________________________________________

--
Steve O
a.a. #2240 (apathist chapter)
"Faith doesn't move mountains - it levels buildings."


old man joe

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Nov 4, 2006, 5:08:12 AM11/4/06
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On 3 Nov 2006 12:33:40 -0800, "Ace Berserker" <redja...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>49 of 60 people found the following review helpful:

here are some parts you missed :

" the hearts of this people have grown dull. Their ears are hard of
hearing, And their eyes they have closed, Lest they should see with
their eyes and hear with their ears, Lest they should understand with
their hearts and turn, So that I should heal them. " Mt. 13:15

"Now these are the ones sown among thorns; they are the ones who
hear the word, and the cares of this world, the deceitfulness of
riches, and the desires for other things entering in choke the word,
and it becomes unfruitful." Mk.4:18,19

" But you do not believe, because you are not of My sheep " Joh.10:26

" They stumble, being disobedient to the word, to which they also
were appointed. " 1 Pet.2:8

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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Nov 4, 2006, 8:06:31 AM11/4/06
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Yes, they are "ever seeing but not perceiving:"

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/70afc5dee61bf8fe?

May GOD continue to heal our hearts with HIS living water, dear brother
Joe whom I love unconditionally.

Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,

Andrew <><

Pastor Frank

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Nov 4, 2006, 2:36:21 PM11/4/06
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"Ace Berserker" <redja...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1162586020.7...@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Yes. Isn't it amazing, that despite all your objections, the Bible is
the runaway best-seller ever since it was first published. A translation of
it, if not several, are found in near every language, in near every home and
hotel room of the world.
Critics like Ace, have no choice but to believe, that most people of the
world are superstitious morons and only he and a few others like himself are
sane. But then atheists see no irrationality in that, in fact that
distinction is their main source of self-esteem, needing no evidence
whatever.

--
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Ace Berserker

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Nov 4, 2006, 3:04:25 PM11/4/06
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Pastor Frank snorted:

> Yes. Isn't it amazing, that despite all your objections, the Bible is
> the runaway best-seller ever since it was first published. A translation of
> it, if not several, are found in near every language, in near every home and
> hotel room of the world.

So are phone books. Garth Brooks sells a lot of records, too. What's
your point?

> Critics like Ace, have no choice but to believe, that most people of the
> world are superstitious morons

...based on the evidence at hand...

> and only he and a few others like himself are sane.

What is sanity?

>But then atheists see no irrationality in that, in fact that
> distinction is their main source of self-esteem, needing no evidence
> whatever.

Assuming I'm an atheist...

Now who's making judgements?

"Why do you see the speck in your neighbor's eye, but do not notice the
log in your own eye?"
--- unknown author

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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Nov 4, 2006, 3:15:06 PM11/4/06
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Such is the behavior of the vanquished:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/70afc5dee61bf8fe?

May GOD continue to heal our hearts with HIS living water, dear
neighbor Frank whom I love unconditionally.

Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,

Andrew <><

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