Re: Article on diet and diabetes
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
>
> http://health.msn.com/centers/diabetes/articlepage.aspx?cp-documentid=100150895>1=9029
>
> "When it comes to controlling blood sugar, the ADA seems to push drugs
> as hard as diet. An ADA position statement published in August 2006
> advises that people newly diagnosed with type-2 diabetes immediately
> commence taking metformin, an oral medication that slows the body's
> internal production of glucose, helping to lower blood-sugar levels.
> With total sales of metformin having neared $1.1 billion in 2005,
> according to IMS Health, this recent recommendation must have brought a
> big smile to big pharma-and a look of utter disbelief to the faces of
> the ADA's critics.
>
> "They're contradicting themselves," says Richard Feinman, Ph.D.,
> director of the Nutrition & Metabolism Society and a professor of
> biochemistry at SUNY Downstate medical center, in New York City. "They
> want diabetics to take medication to lower their blood sugar, but
> recommend a diet that has the opposite effect."
Wiser to lose the visceral adipose tissue (VAT) to reverse the
underlying insulin resistance (metabolic syndrome or MetS) so that less
(or even no) medications will be needed to control blood glucose:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/565dcf43b835714d
Andrew <><
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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
http://EmoryCardiology.com
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> Wiser to lose the visceral adipose tissue (VAT) to reverse the
> underlying insulin resistance (metabolic syndrome or MetS) so that less
> (or even no) medications will be needed to control blood glucose:
And then you can say they're cured.
Aresehole.
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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
> > Wiser to lose the visceral adipose tissue (VAT) to reverse the
> > underlying insulin resistance (metabolic syndrome or MetS) so that less
> > (or even no) medications will be needed to control blood glucose:
>
> And then you can say they're cured.
>
> Aresehole.
You clearly remain convicted by the Holy Spirit:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts
kumar
Whether formation of visceral adipose tissues are possible when insulin
is realy defficient as in type1?
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > >
> > > http://health.msn.com/centers/diabetes/articlepage.aspx?cp-documentid=100150895>1=9029
> > >
> > > "When it comes to controlling blood sugar, the ADA seems to push drugs
> > > as hard as diet. An ADA position statement published in August 2006
> > > advises that people newly diagnosed with type-2 diabetes immediately
> > > commence taking metformin, an oral medication that slows the body's
> > > internal production of glucose, helping to lower blood-sugar levels.
> > > With total sales of metformin having neared $1.1 billion in 2005,
> > > according to IMS Health, this recent recommendation must have brought a
> > > big smile to big pharma-and a look of utter disbelief to the faces of
> > > the ADA's critics.
> > >
> > > "They're contradicting themselves," says Richard Feinman, Ph.D.,
> > > director of the Nutrition & Metabolism Society and a professor of
> > > biochemistry at SUNY Downstate medical center, in New York City. "They
> > > want diabetics to take medication to lower their blood sugar, but
> > > recommend a diet that has the opposite effect."
> >
> > Wiser to lose the visceral adipose tissue (VAT) to reverse the
> > underlying insulin resistance (metabolic syndrome or MetS) so that less
> > (or even no) medications will be needed to control blood glucose:
> >
> > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/565dcf43b835714d
>
> is realy defficient as in type1?
Where there is overeating even in type 1 diabetics, there will be
visceral adipose tissue (VAT).
Kumar
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
As such, will there also be insulin resistance in type1 diabetics?
spam...@spam.heaven
<and...@emorycardiology.com> wrote:
>Where there is overeating even in type 1 diabetics, there will be
>visceral adipose tissue (VAT).
Any ideas why this adverse effect of excess VAT occurs? There must be
an optimal level of VAT, but why do you suppose it is so dangeropus?
Closes (vascularly) to the liver? So subcutaneous belly fat would not
be as dangerous as VAT, perhaps? Why is a fat ass not as bad?
Does all adipose tissue do much the same thing?
jack
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
> >Where there is overeating even in type 1 diabetics, there will be
> >visceral adipose tissue (VAT).
>
> Any ideas why this adverse effect of excess VAT occurs?
GOD's will.
> There must be an optimal level of VAT
There is not. VAT is pathological.
> , but why do you suppose it is so dangeropus?
VAT releases inflammatory cytokines.
> Closes (vascularly) to the liver?
No.
> So subcutaneous belly fat would not
> be as dangerous as VAT, perhaps?
Subcutaneous fat does not release inflammatory cytokines.
> Why is a fat ass not as bad?
See above.
> Does all adipose tissue do much the same thing?
No.
Po...@nospam.invalid
>VAT releases inflammatory cytokines.
Granted, it may be wiser to lose the VAT, but is any research being
done by the Pharmaceutical Industry, or anyone else for that matter,
toward the development of drugs to eliminate (or otherwise deal with)
these Inflammatory cytokines?
Port
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
> >VAT releases inflammatory cytokines.
>
> Granted, it may be wiser to lose the VAT, but is any research being
> done by the Pharmaceutical Industry, or anyone else for that matter,
> toward the development of drugs to eliminate (or otherwise deal with)
> these Inflammatory cytokines?
No.
While inflammatory cytokines from VAT are pathological, these same
inflammatory cytokines from leukocytes are vital for normal immune
system function especially in the setting of acute infection.
TC
Hey, chung-nuts. How's the job?
TC
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> neighbor Po...@nospam.invalid wrote:
> > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
> > >VAT releases inflammatory cytokines.
> >
> > Granted, it may be wiser to lose the VAT, but is any research being
> > done by the Pharmaceutical Industry, or anyone else for that matter,
> > toward the development of drugs to eliminate (or otherwise deal with)
> > these Inflammatory cytokines?
> >
> > Port
>
> Hey, chung-nuts. How's the job?
My Boss, LORD Jesus Christ, is wonderful :-)
Many thanks, much praise, and all the glory to GOD for HIS compelling
you to ask to give me this opportunity to glorify HIM.
Kumar
Pls tell, what do you mean by; "Closes (vascularly) to the liver?"
spam...@spam.heaven
wrote:
Sorry Kumar, typo. It should have read "close" to the liver. And close
by way of the blood vessels.
I read somewhere that fat stores close to the liver affect it somewhat
more than further away fat stores.
jack
jack
Kumar
Yes, liver diseases are indicated;
"Diabetes is associated with some types of liver disease. For example,
poorly controlled blood sugar can increase your risk of nonalcoholic
fatty liver disease, also called nonalcoholic steatohepatitis. This can
lead to scarring of the liver (nonalcoholic cirrhosis). Also, some
medications used to treat complications of diabetes, such as
cholesterol-lowering drugs, may cause liver damage.
On the other hand, some types of liver disease - such as
hemochromatosis - increase the risk of diabetes. Also, some
medications used to treat liver disease may increase blood sugar levels
enough to require treatment. These include steroids and lamivudine
(Epivir).
http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/diabetes/AN00193
May VAT effect other organs similarily.I think, too much gas in
abdomen(blotted) looks to be due to VAT?
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> neighbor Jack (spam...@spam.heaven) wrote:
> > convicted neighbor "Kumar" <lordsh...@rediffmail.com> wrote:
> > > neighbor Jack (spam...@spam.heaven) wrote:
> > >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > >>
> > >> >Where there is overeating even in type 1 diabetics, there will be
> > >> >visceral adipose tissue (VAT).
> > >>
> > >> Any ideas why this adverse effect of excess VAT occurs? There must be
> > >> an optimal level of VAT, but why do you suppose it is so dangeropus?
> > >> Closes (vascularly) to the liver? So subcutaneous belly fat would not
> > >> be as dangerous as VAT, perhaps? Why is a fat ass not as bad?
> > >> Does all adipose tissue do much the same thing?
> > >>
> > >> jack
> > >
> > >Pls tell, what do you mean by; "Closes (vascularly) to the liver?"
> >
> > Sorry Kumar, typo. It should have read "close" to the liver. And close
> > by way of the blood vessels.
> > I read somewhere that fat stores close to the liver affect it somewhat
> > more than further away fat stores.
> >
>
>
> "Diabetes is associated with some types of liver disease. For example,
> poorly controlled blood sugar can increase your risk of nonalcoholic
> fatty liver disease, also called nonalcoholic steatohepatitis. This can
> lead to scarring of the liver (nonalcoholic cirrhosis). Also, some
> medications used to treat complications of diabetes, such as
> cholesterol-lowering drugs, may cause liver damage.
>
> On the other hand, some types of liver disease - such as
> hemochromatosis - increase the risk of diabetes. Also, some
> medications used to treat liver disease may increase blood sugar levels
> enough to require treatment. These include steroids and lamivudine
> (Epivir).
> http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/diabetes/AN00193
>
> May VAT effect other organs similarily.I think, too much gas in
> abdomen(blotted) looks to be due to VAT?
The inflammation caused by VAT is systemic.
Kumar
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
Whether such fatty changes also occur in other parts due to systemic
inflammation by VAT?
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
The VAT itself infiltrates the liver. A fatty liver is a liver
infiltrated by VAT.
> Whether such fatty changes also occur in other parts due to systemic
> inflammation by VAT?
The fatty changes occur because of overeating and not because of
systemic inflammation.
Dr. Ernst Primer (again)
I haven't been following this NG much lately.... Chung has a job? Who
would hire him?
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> neighbor TC wrote:
> > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
> > > >VAT releases inflammatory cytokines.
> > >
> > > Granted, it may be wiser to lose the VAT, but is any research being
> > > done by the Pharmaceutical Industry, or anyone else for that matter,
> > > toward the development of drugs to eliminate (or otherwise deal with)
> > > these Inflammatory cytokines?
> > >
> > > Port
> >
> > Hey, chung-nuts. How's the job?
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/66e1cd490267fbc3?
> > TC
>
> I haven't been following this NG much lately.... Chung has a job?
Yes.
> Who would hire him?
GOD, Creator of heaven and earth.
This victory belongs to my LORD, Whom I love with all my heart, soul,
mind, and strength:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/175b5dc947a0781f
Fear GOD and dread nothing (especially not diabetes) that is of this
world:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/352546a7bf4a81ee?
Your consolation prize is eternal life if you wisely choose to
surrender to HIM:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/fcb058da12bb3f3d?
May you choose wisely at these crossroads in your life:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/725921f131c086d5?
May GOD continue to heal our hearts with HIS living water curing our
diabetes, depression, anxiety, or panic so that we can love our
neighbors a little more and LORD Jesus Christ a whole lot more, dear
neighbor Ernst whom I love unconditionally.
Kumar
diabetes with VAT?
> > Whether such fatty changes also occur in other parts due to systemic
> > inflammation by VAT?
>
> The fatty changes occur because of overeating and not because of
> systemic inflammation.
Which other parts can also be effected due to such VAT?
Beav
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lov...@thetruth.com> wrote in message
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> nieghbor Jack(spam...@spam.heaven) wrote:
>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>>
>> >Where there is overeating even in type 1 diabetics, there will be
>> >visceral adipose tissue (VAT).
>>
>> Any ideas why this adverse effect of excess VAT occurs?
>
> GOD's will.
Fucking classic. No answer, to to someone else for an answer. ANY fucking
answer.
Beav
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <and...@emorycardiology.com> wrote in message
news:1169566654.3...@a75g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
> neighbor Ernst Primer (again) wrote:
>> neighbor TC wrote:
>> > neighbor Po...@nospam.invalid wrote:
>> > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>>
>> > > >VAT releases inflammatory cytokines.
>> > >
>> > > Granted, it may be wiser to lose the VAT, but is any research being
>> > > done by the Pharmaceutical Industry, or anyone else for that matter,
>> > > toward the development of drugs to eliminate (or otherwise deal with)
>> > > these Inflammatory cytokines?
>> > >
>> > > Port
>> >
>> > Hey, chung-nuts. How's the job?
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/66e1cd490267fbc3?
>
>> > TC
>>
>> I haven't been following this NG much lately.... Chung has a job?
>
> Yes.
>
>> Who would hire him?
>
> GOD, Creator of heaven and earth.
And in other news
God the unimaginable hires chump the unemployable to preach the unbelievable
to the unconvertable.
Chump fails. Obviously.
Father Haskell
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >
> > > Wiser to lose the visceral adipose tissue (VAT) to reverse the
> > > underlying insulin resistance (metabolic syndrome or MetS) so that less
> > > (or even no) medications will be needed to control blood glucose:
> >
> > And then you can say they're cured.
> >
> > Aresehole.
Odd. Jesus calls him that, too.
> You clearly remain convicted by the Holy Spirit:
Aren't you supposed to put an accent on "convicted" and
smack him across the forehead when you say that?
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts
That was fast. Took at least a week for Chung to Chungdamn me.
Mu
>> Hey, chung-nuts. How's the job?
>>
>> TC
>
> I haven't been following this NG much lately.... Chung has a job? Who
> would hire him?
I did.
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>>> I haven't been following this NG much lately.... Chung has a job?
>>
>> Yes.
>>
>>> Who would hire him?
>>
>> GOD, Creator of heaven and earth.
>
> And in other news
>
> God the unimaginable hires chump the unemployable to preach the unbelievable
> to the unconvertable.
>
> Chump fails. Obviously.
I would suggest that failure is in your mind alone, that is fine, as long
as you continue to answer the "Failure Chung" Google will gladly archive
for future use his words.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > convicted neighbor Kumar wrote:
> > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > > convicted neighbor Kumar wrote:
> > > > > > convicted neighbor "Kumar" wrote:
All type-2 diabetics have significant VAT. Not all will have fatty
infiltation of their livers.
> > > Whether such fatty changes also occur in other parts due to systemic
> > > inflammation by VAT?
>
> > The fatty changes occur because of overeating and not because of
> > systemic inflammation.
>
> Which other parts can also be effected due to such VAT?
Abnormal skin changes known as acanthosis nigricans.
Kumar
On Jan 25, 10:56 pm, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
> > diabetes with VAT?All type-2 diabetics have significant VAT.
>Not all will have fatty infiltation of their livers.
Means, people having VAT still not all will have fatty infiltrations?
> > > > Whether such fatty changes also occur in other parts due to systemic
> > > > inflammation by VAT?
>
> > > The fatty changes occur because of overeating and not because of
> > > systemic inflammation.
>
> > Which other parts can also be effected due to such VAT?
>Abnormal skin changes known as acanthosis nigricans.
Is it due to VAT? Other organs, say heart?
> Andrew <><
> --
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhDhttp://EmoryCardiology.com- Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text -
Jim Chinnis
>> > > > > > > >> >Where there is overeating even in type 1 diabetics, there will be
Ya know, anything that has quotes going back more than two levels is a
waste.
--
Jim Chinnis Warrenton, Virginia, USA
Kumar
On Jan 26, 8:49 am, Jim Chinnis <jchin...@SPAMalum.mit.edu> wrote:
> "Kumar" <lordshiva5...@rediffmail.com> wrote in part:
>
> >> > > > > > > >> >Where there is overeating even in type 1 diabetics, there will beYa know, anything that has quotes going back more than two levels is a
> waste.
> --
> Jim Chinnis Warrenton, Virginia, USA
??
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Liver abnormalities is common in type-2 diabetics because of VAT.
> > > Whether such fatty changes also occur in other parts due to systemic
> > > inflammation by VAT?
> >
> > The fatty changes occur because of overeating and not because of
> > systemic inflammation.
>
> Which other parts can also be effected due to such VAT?
Pancreas.
Kumar
On Jan 28, 3:36 am, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
<ach...@emorycardiology.com> wrote:
> convicted Kumar wrote:
> > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > convicted neighbor Kumar wrote:
> > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > > > convicted neighbor Kumar wrote:
> > > > > > neighbor Jack (spamf...@spam.heaven) wrote:
> > > > > > > convicted neighbor "Kumar" <lordshiva5...@rediffmail.com> wrote:
> > diabetes with VAT?Liver abnormalities is common in type-2 diabetics because of VAT.
Can we consider it that a diabetic2 people with central obesity can
get liver abnormilties? Whether fatty liver even in non diabetics is
as a result of VAT?
> > > > Whether such fatty changes also occur in other parts due to systemic
> > > > inflammation by VAT?
>
> > > The fatty changes occur because of overeating and not because of
> > > systemic inflammation.
>
> > Which other parts can also be effected due to such VAT?Pancreas.
How it effect Pancreas?
> Andrew <><
> --
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
>
> Can we consider it that a diabetic2 people with central obesity can
> get liver abnormilties?
Yes.
> Whether fatty liver even in non diabetics is
> as a result of VAT?
Yes.
> > > > > Whether such fatty changes also occur in other parts due to systemic
> > > > > inflammation by VAT?
> >
> > > > The fatty changes occur because of overeating and not because of
> > > > systemic inflammation.
> >
> > > Which other parts can also be effected due to such VAT?
>
> > Pancreas.
>
> How it effect Pancreas?
Fatty infiltration.
Beav
"Mu" <nocowi...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On 23 Jan 2007 07:19:32 -0800, Dr. Ernst Primer (again) wrote:
>
>>> Hey, chung-nuts. How's the job?
>>>
>>> TC
>>
>> I haven't been following this NG much lately.... Chung has a job? Who
>> would hire him?
>
> I did.
You must be a right cunt then.