Chronic Anxiety and Exercise
Sam
lesion on my brain that is responsible for behavior and anxiety.
As my heart rate is kind of high, above resting 100 bpm because of my
anxiety NOT because I am out of shape. I am wondering if I should do
any running on the treadmill? I find that at times even walking and
"thinking" can give me anxiety. I have not noticed any benefit in doing
more strenuous cardio like running on a treadmill and I am concerned
about stressing the heart. My heart rate just stays weigh up. When I am
on the tread-mill, my heart rate reaches 150 easily which is near my
maxium target heart rate. I tried beta blockers but I have
side-effects. Any suggestions?
Mu
Get your BP measured at the limits you've posted. Think walk not run, no
real need to run. Get an MP3 player and stop thinking.
--
http://www.steppenwolf.com/lyr/mnnster.html
George
benefit of achieving normal HR. I've been on Atenolol for years for BP, not
for HR, but am happy with the 50-60 RHR it gives me. Less wear and tear on
the heart just HAS to be good, and worth the cost of moderate side effects.
"Sam" <unk...@unk.com> wrote in message
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Sam
body felt like I was in freezer. I couldnt keep warm enough and that was
at a low dose too. I had to be taken home from worl. Who knows what else
it was doing to my body. That's the thing with chemicals/medicines. It
effects everyone differently. Glad it worked for you.
However, taking a beta blocker and doing exercise seems like the two negate
each other. One is suppose to lower your heart rate while the other raises
it.
"George" <gmwema...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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George
"Sam" <non...@nospam.com> wrote in message
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> Yes, the side effects were quite severe. I was extremely cold. My entire
> body felt like I was in freezer. I couldnt keep warm enough and that was
> at a low dose too. I had to be taken home from worl. Who knows what else
> it was doing to my body. That's the thing with chemicals/medicines. It
> effects everyone differently. Glad it worked for you.
>
> However, taking a beta blocker and doing exercise seems like the two
> negate each other. One is suppose to lower your heart rate while the other
> raises it.
No, while exercise temporarily raises HR, it strengthens the cardiovascular
system so that the overall result is lowered systemic stress long-term.
Sorry to hear about your side effects. Are you sure they were caused by
that one med, or could they have been the result of interaction between
several medications?
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Would suggest you ask, through prayer, that GOD give you HIS peace
which surpasses all worldly understanding. If you make this request
in Jesus' name, it will be done for you.
May GOD bless you in HIS mighty way.
Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,
Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
http://EmoryCardiology.com
"Unlike the 2PD-OMER Approach, weight loss diets can't be combined
with well-balanced diets."
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love/TheTruth
crazyfalnger
spiritual and 'love god', but it wont stop your anxiety.
Second, exercise is good for your heart. You're heart rate goes up,
but at the same time it gets stronger. People who exercise are usually
healthier, mentally and physically.
Can I ask why you are so concerned about your heart? Do you have
health problems with it? How old are you? You mentioned 150 BPM on a
treadmill. I know most peoples target workout rate is is 170-180. Is
there a reason you are shooting lower? Basically what I'm getting at
is: If there is a physical reason you are worried about your heart
then maybe you shouldn't push exercise. If the only reason you are
worried about your heart is anxiety then go hit 180 bpm just to show
yourself you will be ok after.
bigvince
wrote:
> Sam wrote:
> > It appears that I will likely have anxiety indefinitely. I have a
> > lesion on my brain that is responsible for behavior and anxiety.
>
> > As my heart rate is kind of high, above resting 100 bpm because of my
> > anxiety NOT because I am out of shape. I am wondering if I should do
> > any running on the treadmill? I find that at times even walking and
> > "thinking" can give me anxiety. I have not noticed any benefit in doing
> > more strenuous cardio like running on a treadmill and I am concerned
> > about stressing the heart. My heart rate just stays weigh up. When I am
> > on the tread-mill, my heart rate reaches 150 easily which is near my
> > maxium target heart rate. I tried beta blockers but I have
> > side-effects. Any suggestions?
>
> Would suggest you ask, through prayer, that GOD give you HIS peace
> which surpasses all worldly understanding. If you make this request
> in Jesus' name, it will be done for you.
>
> May GOD bless you in HIS mighty way.
>
> Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,
>
> Andrew <><
> --
>
> "Unlike the 2PD-OMER Approach, weight loss diets can't be combined
> with well-balanced diets."http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love/TheTruth
Dr. Chunk makes a very good point anxiety ;if not caused by a
physical condition and please go to a very Good doctor to rule out all
physical possibititys.; can be caused by fear .A belief in something
greater that yourself can have a real physical effect. Prayer is a
powerfull tool many studies have shown that it can cause benefit.
There are also other technigues that can be helpfull EFT is a method
that may help you please look it up. Beta blockers esspecialy atenolol
have recently been shown to be less that optimal drugs for Blood
Pressure control they appear to have negative metabolic
effects.effects . They are offen used in anxiety because they reduce
heart rate atenolol is a vasoconsticting beta blocker and feeling cold
is a common side effect with this drug There are newer beta blockers
that do not cause these same effects. Please find a good Doctor
perhaps you can find something that helps. Again prayer can be o
powerfull tool. thanks Vince
Art Deco
Good luck getting a straight answer from Andy Chung.
--
Supreme Leader of the Brainwashed Followers of Art Deco
Max
::
: No, while exercise temporarily raises HR, it strengthens the
: system so that the overall result is lowered systemic stress
long-term.
: Sorry to hear about your side effects. Are you sure they were caused
by
: that one med, or could they have been the result of interaction
between
: several medications?
Thanks, no it was definitely caused by the Atinol. . I wasn't taking
anything at the time. I later looked and seen that a side-effect may be
coldness in hands and feet but in my case it was everything. If one
touched my face, you would feel that it was cold. It was a very very
scary experience.
Max
begin with due to my anxiety. I am concerned that if I stress it more
(exercise) that will do more harm than good. I WANT to do exercise but I
also don't want to get a heart attack or stroke since I have some risk
factors that can't be controlled. I also have a lesion on the brain to
that "may be" a precursor to a stroke as the neurologist says. If I
lie down and NOT think about ANYTHING, I can get my resting pulse to 70
BPM. As soon as I get up it jumps to 100. It doesn't matter if I am
looking at Jesus and relaxing, it still is ~100 BPM if I am not lying
down, say in bed. In summary, only if I am lying down in bed can I
lower my HR.
"crazyfalnger" <crazyf...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1177596090.2...@c18g2000prb.googlegroups.com...
: First off, Ignore the comment about Jesus. Its a good thing to be
:
Max
:
: Dr. Chunk makes a very good point anxiety ;if not caused by a
: physical condition and please go to a very Good doctor to rule out all
: physical possibititys.; can be caused by fear .A belief in something
: greater that yourself can have a real physical effect. Prayer is a
: powerfull tool many studies have shown that it can cause benefit.
: There are also other technigues that can be helpfull EFT is a method
: that may help you please look it up. Beta blockers esspecialy atenolol
: have recently been shown to be less that optimal drugs for Blood
: Pressure control they appear to have negative metabolic
: effects.effects . They are offen used in anxiety because they reduce
: heart rate atenolol is a vasoconsticting beta blocker and feeling cold
: is a common side effect with this drug There are newer beta blockers
: that do not cause these same effects. Please find a good Doctor
: perhaps you can find something that helps. Again prayer can be o
: powerfull tool. thanks Vince
There is one common theme that I keep reading over and over again as I
post in these forums: "Find another doctor". Being in a state/province
of provincially funded health care, that's not possible. Doctors are
overworked and argue that they are underpaid. The majority of doctors
are not accepting any new patients. The walk-in clinics are full of
patients waiting to see a doctor because they don't have one. Most of
these docs are just GP's and are there for basic stuff. The patient
rarely sees the same doctor twice. It's very frustrating. What's even
more frustrating is that my GP seems to have good intentions but is IMO
a chemist and pushes all sorts of meds and then sees how you react. I
get the impression he feels he is expert in everything and therefore, is
hesitant to refer patients to specialists. I dunno, perhaps this could
also be as a result of pressure from the Government as one doctor I saw
was worried about referring me to a neurologist because he didn't want
to "have egg on his face" if there was nothing found. I went to another
doctor and insisted and something was found during an MRI scan.
A while ago, someone suggested just to drop my ass at the local
emergency clinic and maybe there I can find a doctor. And another
suggestion was made recently to move to a place where I would have a
better chance of finding a doctor. Unfortunately, I don't have a Green
Card.
Sam
the name back for newsgroups.
Sam
Max wrote:
: "George" <gmwema...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
Pramesh Rutaji
> The reason I am concerned, as mentioned is that my HR is quite high to
> begin with due to my anxiety. I am concerned that if I stress it more
> (exercise) that will do more harm than good. I WANT to do exercise but I
> also don't want to get a heart attack or stroke since I have some risk
> factors that can't be controlled. I also have a lesion on the brain to
> that "may be" a precursor to a stroke as the neurologist says. If I
> lie down and NOT think about ANYTHING, I can get my resting pulse to 70
> BPM. As soon as I get up it jumps to 100. It doesn't matter if I am
> looking at Jesus and relaxing, it still is ~100 BPM if I am not lying
> down, say in bed. In summary, only if I am lying down in bed can I
> lower my HR.
I have found that when my heart rate goes up and won't come down (into the 90s),
that taking potassium citrate - 10 pills with 99 mg/pill or 1 gram of potassium,
that the problem resolves. Currently I take 3000 mg/day of potassium and get
about 3000 mg/day from diet (I record everything I eat). That comes out to a
total potassium intake of 6000 mg per day. Less than that and my heart rate
starts to increase - resting heart rate will increase upwards of 30+ bpm. I'll
note that my blood work shows a potassium level of 4.1 with a reference range of
3.5 to 5.5. I was told by emergency room medical staff at one ER that any blood
work value for potassium below 4.0 when you come into the ER with heart related
problems they will treat.
I've been to the ER twice because my resting heart rate instead of being 65 was
running above 100. The ER didn't consider it a problem even though we are
talking 50% above my personal normal. I found the potassium link independently.
I take a beta blocker that effects my heart rate so that when I exercise
vigorously, my heart rate doesn't go above 125 but that rate is double my
resting rate.
--
Pramesh Rutajit - p297ton...@newsguy.com - Remove tongue to reply.
~tanya
> It appears that I will likely have anxiety indefinitely. I have a
> lesion on my brain that is responsible for behavior and anxiety.
> Any suggestions?
yeah.
when ya start thinkin'?
stop doin' that.
let's marry, ok?
(don't think about it, just say "ok")
~t
Sam
news:1177634856.1...@c18g2000prb.googlegroups.com...
> Any suggestions?
yeah.
stop doin' that.
let's marry, ok?
~t
Yeah, meditation may help.
Sam
"Pramesh Rutaji" <p297ton...@newsguy.com> wrote in message
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I'll have to check my potassium level. Interesting...I read somewhere
that too much potasium can be very bad for you. I think taking a beta
blocker for me may not be a good idea since I can get it down to 70 just
before I retire at night...maybe that too contributed to the common side
effect of being cold with the Atinol.
I wonder what Dr. Andrew Chung thinks about taking potassium supplements
(not bringing Jesus into the issue)?
Pramesh Rutaji
Don't know about him 'cause I have him and his god of death blocked. Do you eat
a high potassium dinner?
Mu
> Dr. Chunk makes a very good point anxiety ;if not caused by a
> physical condition and please go to a very Good doctor to rule out all
> physical possibititys.; can be caused by fear .A belief in something
> greater that yourself can have a real physical effect.
If you are out in the world, exerting your best efforts, and finding as
most of ud do, that life still overwhelms, anxiety sets in. Once you
realize that you're never going to grapple Life to the ground, and give
this problem up to God, anxiety often disappears.
Why so? Because you're self-styled success no longer becomes you're
self-styled battle which is one no one ever really wins.
--
http://www.steppenwolf.com/lyr/mnnster.html
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Potassium does not dispel anxiety.
May GOD bless you.
the14thdisciple
> Mu <nocowinthi...@gmail.com> wrote in news:1tx1lfnhmroyv.1ww0n65cj11w9.dlg@
> 40tude.net:
>
> > On 26 Apr 2007 08:20:31 -0700, bigvince wrote:
>
> >> Dr. Chunk makes a very good point anxiety ;if not caused by a
> >> physical condition and please go to a very Good doctor to rule out all
> >> physical possibititys.; can be caused by fear .A belief in something
> >> greater that yourself can have a real physical effect.
>
> > If you are out in the world, exerting your best efforts, and finding as
> > most of ud do, that life still overwhelms, anxiety sets in. Once you
> > realize that you're never going to grapple Life to the ground, and give
> > this problem up to God, anxiety often disappears.
>
and What BETTER way to cope with life's probblems, purrpurr? whear's
The rule what says you hafe to DEAL with problems? seems To me that
'dealing' with somthing just puts pressure on you to achieve a
conclusion to somthing. walk Away from "probblems" at every
oppertunity and you'll offen see that the probblem simpley goes away.
love Form 14
http://www.littleboxes.nl/MapleSyrupMinerGuy.htm
cbruce
> > this problem up to God, anxiety often disappears.
>
I know I certainly don't believe in giving up.
I am no quitter sir!
I don't see any sense in getting started in the first place.
(-:arl
bigvince
Again I domn;t know how because I'm not sure how your system works
but change Doctor I suspect you can until you find one you can work
with. In my opinion many doctors are not current in the latest
developements in there field.
Alexander Kalinowski
Alex:
Just refrain from judging things good or bad. :-) Giving up is not better
than never getting started which is not better than getting at it. Nor is
any of it worse than the others, no? Where there is judgement, there isn't
equanimity/peace of mind.
Have a good weekend, folks, gotta go. :-)
--
Waiting for you to return.
--
To email me, please have 'alt.suicide.holiday' as the subject line.
Sam
::
: Potassium does not dispel anxiety.
I dont believe anyone here is saying that. Rather how much potassium
can one safely take without an adverse reactions and whether or not if
slows your heart rate down.
Sam
: Do you eat a high potassium dinner?
That's a good question. I never kept track. I eat carbs like rice and
potatoes and protein like fish or chicken. I always have lotsa of
veggies usually a large bowl of salad, red leaf lettuce, cuccumbers,
tomatoes, etc. with oil and vinegar. I try to eat a one banana a day
as well as at least 3 fruits.
Sam
This only applies if the anxiety is [solely] related to a psychological
condition. When dealing with anxiety as a result of a physcial ailement
and that ailment canNOT be controlled then God can't help us much.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
The former depends on kidney function and medications. The latter
does not happen for someone in normal sinus rhythm.
May GOD bless you.
Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,
Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
http://EmoryCardiology.com
"Unlike the 2PD-OMER Approach, weight loss diets can't be combined
with well-balanced diets"
the14thdisciple
> the14thdisciple <the14thDisci...@hotmail.com> wrote innews:1177664749....@s33g2000prh.googlegroups.com:
>
>
>
> >> Your solution to life's problems is to just give up, huh.
>
> > and What BETTER way to cope with life's probblems, purrpurr?
>
why not ... After all, you've already shown us your nuts ...
loave Form 14
Sam
: On 27 apr, 22:29, purpurroterwald <pur...@negative.forest> wrote:
:: the14thdisciple <the14thDisci...@hotmail.com> wrote
:::: Your solution to life's problems is to just give up, huh.
::
::: and What BETTER way to cope with life's probblems, purrpurr?
:: Show us your tits.
:
: why not ... After all, you've already shown us your nuts ...
OMG. ROFLMAO!!! That comment is so funny. I'll have to remember to use
that.
St. Jackanapes
In sci.med.cardiology, Mu said...
> On Wed, 25 Apr 2007 19:42:53 GMT, Sam wrote:
>
> > It appears that I will likely have anxiety indefinitely. I have a
> > lesion on my brain that is responsible for behavior and anxiety.
> >
> > As my heart rate is kind of high, above resting 100 bpm because of my
> > anxiety NOT because I am out of shape. I am wondering if I should do
> > any running on the treadmill? I find that at times even walking and
> > "thinking" can give me anxiety. I have not noticed any benefit in doing
> > more strenuous cardio like running on a treadmill and I am concerned
> > about stressing the heart. My heart rate just stays weigh up. When I am
> > on the tread-mill, my heart rate reaches 150 easily which is near my
> > maxium target heart rate. I tried beta blockers but I have
> > side-effects. Any suggestions?
>
> Get your BP measured at the limits you've posted. Think walk not run, no
> real need to run. Get an MP3 player and stop thinking.
Do you mean to stop thinking like Dr. Chung? Like how he has stopped
thinking about living a selfless life of *really* saving people's lives
with cardiology - and begun wasting his potential talent by spending all
his time vegetating on Usenet about God & imaginary diabetes causing
demons?
No, maybe I'm all wrong about Dr. Chung and his decision to throw away
his years of study, hard work, and surly the money and support by family
& friends that is needed by anyone who goes through the many years of
trail, tribulation and sacrifice that it takes to become an MD. Yes,
maybe I'm looking at this the wrong way. Maybe Dr. Chung, after all the
years of intense study, came to the realization that he's just not cut
from strong enough cloth to put the lives of the deathly ill in the care
of his incompetent hands.
Maybe I shouldn't be flaming him for not working in a hospital and
saving lives with the education that I was denied. He must have realized
that in cardiology he was more of a danger than a savior. But then I
realize that he's still an MD. He doesn't have to be in such a high-
stress occupation with so much at stake like cardiology.
Then I realize that Dr. Chung is a selfish, self-centered little spoiled
brat - who only cares about himself. What a waste of a chair in the
classrooms! If he were a real man, instead of wasting his time on-line
babbling about how he's killing his on-line enemies with the Holy Ghost
by striking them down with epilepsy and diabetes. If he were a real man
and humanitarian, Dr. Chung would be helping to better the world by
going to Africa and donating his time in an AIDS clinic.
But Dr. Chung is no Dr. Albert Schweitzer. Dr. Schweitzer truly lived
his vision of Jesus, and didn't waste his time with name calling and
making lists of hated enemies who he begs the Holy Ghost to curse or
kill with deadly illness. Some philanthropic humanitarian Dr. Chung
turns out to be. I do a disservice to Dr. Albert Schweitzer by even
mentioning Chung's name in the same paragraph.
--
St. Jackanapes MD/PhD ~ Bearer of The One True Liver ~
Ordained Minister, Physician & Holy Saint of The Universal Life Church
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WEBSITE: http://www.jackanapes.ws | FORUM: http://www.voy.com/20630
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Diet with Dr. Chung: http://www.jackanapes.ws/2pdcat.html
Father Haskell
A truly gifted heart doc would be working here in Baltimore, at
Union Memorial or Johns Hopkins. Not at some godforsaken
low-rent office building in godforsaken Mableton, godforsaken
Georgia.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
>
> A truly gifted heart doc would be working here in Baltimore, at
> Union Memorial or Johns Hopkins.
The gift of ability comes from GOD and not from the place where you
either work or reside.
Truth is simple.
Clearly you remain convicted by the Holy Spirit:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts
Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,
Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
http://EmoryCardiology.com
"Unlike the 2PD-OMER Approach, weight loss diets can't be combined
with well-balanced diets."
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love/TheTruth
percy
Rest assured that Dr. Hildner and his colleagues in Ocala were not
silent after chung was terminated with cause. andy's out of the loop,
and those gifted heart docs are very much in the loop and are very aware
of andy's ko0kery.
Even a gifted heart doc won't get hired if he's insane.
Too bad your reputation precedes you, eh andy?
<:((>>>><
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
<snip>
> Rest assured that Dr. Hildner and his colleagues in Ocala were not
> silent after chung was terminated with cause. andy's out of the loop,
> and those gifted heart docs are very much in the loop and are very aware
> of andy's ko0kery.
>
> Even a gifted heart doc won't get hired if he's insane.
>
> Too bad your reputation precedes you, eh andy?
There are no regrets for those who choose to side with the truth, Who
is LORD Jesus Christ:
http://TruthRUS.org/DreadNought
Behold in wonder and amazement:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/press.asp
The brethren of LORD Jesus Christ are neither perfect nor
invincible...
... we are simply forgiven:
http://www.interviewwithgod.com/forgiven/
May you wisely choose to be forgiven too by publicly declaring with
your mouth that "Jesus is LORD:"
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/TheWay
pumparrotworld
"purpurroterwald" <pur...@negative.forest> wrote in message news:B3992...@A2DEAE.C054917E6BD672...
> "Andrew B. Chung, Failure" wrote:
>
>> convicted neighbor Vicky (percy) wrote:
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>>> Rest assured that Dr. Hildner and his colleagues in Ocala were not
>>> silent after chung was terminated with cause. andy's out of the loop,
>>> and those gifted heart docs are very much in the loop and are very aware
>>> of andy's ko0kery.
>>>
>>> Even a gifted heart doc won't get hired if he's insane.
>>>
>>> Too bad your reputation precedes you, eh andy?
>>
As the years pass and the wonder of childhood imagination is eroded in the
face of reality and in the recognition that life may not be lived in an
imaginary world, the search for truth becomes all-pervasive, drawing
implications for the essence and destiny of life itself-connecting the
what and the why. No thinking person can avoid this search, and it can end
only when one is convinced that the answers espoused are true. Aristotle
was right when he said that all philosophy begins with wonder, but the
journey, I suggest, can progress only through truth. And so we move away
from the world of imagination to the cerebral world of knowledge and
truth. We move from the childhood sounds of ecstasy to the young world
that seeks in language to explain the struggles of the heart and mind. Why
this? Why that?
Scripture provides a fascinating discussion between the Roman governor
Pontius Pilate and Jesus in the eighteenth chapter of John's Gospel. Jesus
has been brought to him by the high priests, who want to execute him
because of his claim to be equal with God. Pilate asks Jesus, "Are you a
king?" We can well imagine a sardonic grin planted on the face of this
nervous puppet of Caesar's, as he inquires into the kingship of a Jewish
carpenter. Jesus responds with a question: "Are you asking this on your
own or has someone else set you up?" Pilate is somewhat exasperated by
this seeming insolence. "Look," he answers, "I did not bring you here-your
own people have done that." Then Jesus says, "My kingdom is not of this
world. If it were, my servants would fight to prevent my arrest. But now
my kingdom is from another place." Pilate says, "Ah! So you are a king!"
The response of Jesus discloses Pilate's real predicament. "You are right
in saying I am a king. In fact, for this reason I was born, and for this I
came into the world, to testify to the truth. Everyone on the side of
truth listens to me."
Pilate mutters, "What is truth?" and walks away.
The answer of Jesus is both subtle and daring. The fundamental problem
Jesus was exposing to Pilate and to the world is not the paucity of
available truth; it is more often the hypocrisy of our search.
Truthfulness in the heart, said Jesus, precedes truth in the objective
realm. Intent is prior to content. How can one deny that at the core of so
much conflict today is the untruthfulness in our hearts? Wars are fought
over lies. Peace treaties are concluded, laden with lies. It is truth that
has died, not God. Humanity loves to chase a lie till it believes the lie,
which frees the individual from any impinging moral reality.
After disclosing the true nature of the human heart, Jesus makes the most
provocative statement during that penetrating conversation with Pilate. He
affirms that the truthfulness or falsity of an individual's heart is
revealed by that person's response to him. The implication is
uncompromising. He was and is the truth. What you do with him defines the
truthfulness of your search.
But that could be a rather presumptuous claim. Was this statement made in
a vacuum? Not by any stretch of the imagination. From his birth to his
death, from the way he lived to what he taught, from the wealth of
prophecy to the completion of fulfillment, from the historicity of
Scripture to the transformation Scripture brings about in lives, by his
death and his resurrection-he sustained that massive claim. The coeditor
of this book, Norman Geisler, succinctly states and defends the uniqueness
of Christ in his exhaustive work, Baker Encyclopedia of Christian
Apologetics.
Christ is absolutely unique among all who ever lived. He is unique in his
supernatural nature, in his superlative character, and in his life and
teaching. No other world teacher claimed to be God. Even when the
followers of some prophet deified their teacher, there is no proof given
for that claim that can be compared to the fulfillment of prophecy, the
sinless and miraculous life, and the resurrection. . . . Jesus is
absolutely unique among all human beings who ever lived.?6?
Never has a life been lived the way Jesus lived it. Even the skeptic and
famed historian W. E. H. Lecky grants this when he says:
The character of Jesus has not only been the highest pattern of virtue,
but the strongest incentive in its practice, and has exerted so deep an
influence, that it may be truly said that the simple record of three short
years of active life has done more to regenerate and to soften mankind
than all the disquisitions of philosophers and all the exhortations of
moralists.?7?
There you have it from even one who has no prejudicial commitment to
him-no one ever spoke like him or lived like him. That immediately sets
him apart from everyone else who has ever lived. Contrast his life to that
of Mohammed or Krishna and you will see there is a world of difference.
From his pure life comes the reminder that if the heart is not truthful,
then the very truth of Christ is missed. But like Pilate of old, we miss
the striking force of truth. We miss seeing who he is because we are
blinded by the power of preconceived notions. We come determined not to
find his claim to truth.
Jon Krakauer, in his book Into Thin Air, tells a gripping story. His book
recounts the ill-fated ascent of Mount Everest in 1996, in which many
lives were lost, including those of the most adept leaders. At one point
he recounts an episode with Andy Harris, one of the expedition guides, who
had been exhausted by his conquest of the summit. On his descent, he had
started to run out of oxygen, when he came across a cache of oxygen
canisters. But Harris, already starved for oxygen, argued with his fellow
climbers, mistakenly insisting that all the canisters were empty. Those to
whom he was speaking repeatedly assured him that the canisters were indeed
full. They themselves had left them there. But Harris was beguiled by a
brain devoid of oxygen and made the false judgment that what he held in
his hand could not help him.
What a remarkable parable of life that is! In a similar way, Pilate was
standing face-to-face with the truth, but snared by the disorientation of
power, he walked away from the source of all life.
If that is all Jesus had asserted-that our response to him betrayed our
own prejudice-the argument would at best be circular and at worst no
better than anyone else's claim. But Jesus had a basis on which to make
such a statement. When a life is so lived that we see how life is meant to
be lived, we must at least give ear to what that person says about what
living means. And here, his description of reality moves us to a closer
understanding that in him alone the ideal and the embodiment were
unbroken. He was God incarnate, who never broke the demands of his own
proclamation. He took us beyond words to himself. Any other claimant to
divine or prophetic status separates himself from the ideal. Jesus, by
contrast, identified himself with his teaching. "I am the way, the truth,
and the life," he said.
He was born in the context of three great cultures-the Hebrew, the Greek,
and the Roman. For the Hebrews, the ideal was symbolized by light. For the
Greeks, the ideal was in knowledge. For the Romans, the ideal was in
glory. Light, knowledge, and glory-the three great abstractions of
cultural pursuits. The apostle Paul was a Hebrew by birth, a citizen of
Rome, raised in a Greek city. He well understood the pluralism of his
time. Writing to the church in Corinth, he said, "God, who said, 'Let
light shine out of darkness,' made his light shine in our hearts to give
us the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Christ"
(2 Cor. 4:6, emphasis added). Every ideal was demonstrated and lived out.
This could not be said of anyone else.
Here we come to the next realization. Just as wonder was found in a
person, so the Scriptures claim and prove that truth is fully embodied in
a person, the person of Jesus Christ. It is not merely that he has the
answers to life's questions; he is the answer. We find the truth not
merely in platitudes or in creedal affirmations but in knowing him. When
his questioners asked him for bread that would satisfy, he pointed to
himself-"I am the bread of life," he said. As we study his claims and his
teaching, we find a message that beautifully unfolds, encompassing the
breadth of human need and the depth of human intellect. Truth was in his
very person. In a world starved for truth, he stands as the eternal
example of what ultimate truth and reality are all about.
But just as wonder fades with the search for truth, so truth longs for
that which is not merely propositional or demonstrated but which gives
relevance. Here we move to the third component.
[1]
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6 Norman L. Geisler, Baker Encyclopedia of Christian Apologetics (Grand
Rapids: Baker, 2000), 140.
7 W. E. H. Lecky, A History of European Morals from Augustus to
Charlemagne II (London: Longmans Green & Co., 1869); quoted in F. F.
Bruce, Jesus, Lord and Savior (Downers Grove, Ill.: InterVarsity Press,
1986), 15.
[1]Geisler, N. L., & Hoffman, P. K. (2001). Why I am a Christian : Leading
thinkers explain why they believe (274). Grand Rapids, Mich.: Baker Books.
jl
wrote:
>
> "Unlike the 2PD-OMER Approach, weight loss diets can't be combined
> with well-balanced diets."http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love/TheTruth
Andrew, you creepy little mouth-breathing leprechaun, you are hereby
sentenced to watching the latest videos of Richard Dawkins in which he
declares "There is almost certainly NO god." You can find the movies
at Google videos. Herein fail not, lest you be subjected to strict
sanctions of the law.
Louse Deo!
Marinate her!
jl
> "Andrew B. Chung, Failure" wrote:
>
>
> > <snip>
>
> >> Rest assured that Dr. Hildner and his colleagues in Ocala were not
> >> silent after chung was terminated with cause. andy's out of the loop,
> >> and those gifted heart docs are very much in the loop and are very aware
> >> of andy's ko0kery.
>
> >> Even a gifted heart doc won't get hired if he's insane.
>
> >> Too bad your reputation precedes you, eh andy?
>
> > There are no regrets for those who choose to side with the truth
>
>
> Go play with your diseased starlings, Chung.
Starlings? He plays with diseased starlings? Jeezus, those are
flying rats, filthiest birds on this continent and not even
indigenous. Some despicable idiot brought them across the Atlantic to
plague us with their filth, their odious hideousness, and their
cacophonic screeching. House sparrows are not as loathsome and
obnoxious as starlings. They build huge unsightly nests in the eaves
and hollows of every beautiful home they can afflict with their shit
and pestiferous noise, and in the fall they flock together by the
thousands, swoop down and plague the fields, and infest public parks
with their disgusting spoor.
Starlings are birds of the devil. They represent Satan himself.
Every starling is the evil incarnation of a demon.
Barry
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wote:
stop cross posting andrew, it's rude of you man
why can't you see that
you think God is interested in you being a gentleman?
well practice it then...
redeem yourself, pull yourself up by the bootstraps
you ONLY CROSSPOST TO FOOD GROUP BECAUSE OF SUCH A LARGE MEMBERSHIP
how obvious and dubious can you get
you lazy slacker! stopppit!
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wote:
> >
> > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/5bd5a5d5116a2069?
>
> stop cross posting andrew
It remains my choice to continue to receive the guidance of the Holy
Spirit in everything I say, do, and write.
> , it's rude of you man why can't you see that
Without the LORD, your opinion is meaningless (Ecclesiastes).
> you think God is interested in you being a gentleman?
Just as much as HE had John the Baptist be a gentleman.
> well practice it then...
A lamp is to remain uncovered giving the light of the truth, Who is
LORD Jesus Christ, to everyone in the room.
> redeem yourself, pull yourself up by the bootstraps
>
> you ONLY CROSSPOST TO FOOD GROUP BECAUSE OF SUCH A LARGE MEMBERSHIP
Incorrect.
> how obvious and dubious can you get
>
> you lazy slacker! stopppit!
Name-calling simply shows that you remain convicted by the Holy
Spirit:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts
Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,
Shatner Is God
wrote:
> convicted neighbor Barry wrote:
> > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wote:
>
> > >http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/5bd5a5d5116a2069?
>
> > stop cross posting andrew
>
> It remains my choice to continue to receive the guidance of the Holy
> Spirit in everything I say, do, and write.
>
> > , it's rude of you man why can't you see that
>
> Without the LORD, your opinion is meaningless (Ecclesiastes).
>
> > you think God is interested in you being a gentleman?
>
> Just as much as HE had John the Baptist be a gentleman.
>
> > well practice it then...
>
> A lamp is to remain uncovered giving the light of the truth, Who is
> LORD Jesus Christ, to everyone in the room.
>
> > redeem yourself, pull yourself up by the bootstraps
>
> > you ONLY CROSSPOST TO FOOD GROUP BECAUSE OF SUCH A LARGE MEMBERSHIP
>
> Incorrect.
>
> > how obvious and dubious can you get
>
> > you lazy slacker! stopppit!
>
> Name-calling simply shows that you remain convicted by the Holy
> Spirit:
>
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts
>
> Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,
>
> Andrew <><
> --
>
> "Unlike the 2PD-OMER Approach, weight loss diets can't be combined
> with well-balanced diets."http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love/TheTruth
LOFL!! Barry wants to play with Chung and gets zapped by his jeebus
wand.
Priceless.
Barry
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wote:
Drew, how would you like it if you was reeeaaalll hongry... and you
spent your last 1.00 on a can of soup.
You get home.. you are shaking from excitement opening the can...
you open the can.. only to find a note in there
it says..
"A lamp is to remain uncovered giving the light of the truth, Who is
LORD Jesus Christ, to everyone in the room."
and it's got a picture of some big lazy slacker, some dude with one
big long eyebrow across his forehead...
he's grinning as if he has done you a favor. he thinks this is how to
propogate the gospel.
Barry
Shatner Is God wote:
> LOFL!! Barry wants to play with Chung and gets zapped by his jeebus
> wand.
>
> Priceless.
Im really good at this, leave me alone, let me reason with him.
yall stop stirring him up.
He's got some problems.. ok.. we all do.
you want him to stop crossposting? let me talk to him
Barry
Barry wote:
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wote:
>
> Drew, how would you like it if you was reeeaaalll hongry... and you
> spent your last 1.00 on a can of soup.
> You get home.. you are shaking from excitement opening the can...
>
> you open the can.. only to find a note in there
sooo, the slacker should, print his message on the soup can label...
but be sure to deliver the soup
IOW's be clever there, you're a doctor, think about it...
be clever and make food posts, make very talented captivating food
posts...
THEN when people are drawn to your post by your cleverness... they
will click your signature which is a link to any content you want them
to read. ANY CONTENT. ONE BIG FREE FOR ALL.
but.. you have to put the soup in the can, or it's out of bounds.
it's called, truth in advertising. Otherwise.. you're a liar, like the
father of lies.
Even God himself wrote his love in a certain spot, a secret treasure,
so secret even the angels could not look into the mystery.
Be clever, demonstrate just how witty and clever the Lord has made
you, show how wonderful the work of his hands are by demonstrating how
unique he has made you.
Make food posts, and use a signature to point people to some link you
feel they should read.
I can tell you, you are wasting your talent by spray painting all over
usenet...
You supposed to take dominion, not create chaos.
Demonstrate how orderly and respectful and gentlemanly the Holy Ghost
is.
Do you feel it is rude of you to drag the Holy Ghost up in the food
group or cardiology etc...?
but he's not welcome there! do you feel it grieves him?
Me and you know why you are doing this. It doesn't matter.
Barry
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wote:
how'd you like it if all of Allah's disciples started posting in your
fav. cross posting spots.
All of them at once...
Just railroad the whole usenet.
but what about generous doctors who want to help people with heart
problems?
the noise to signal ratio would be just awful, you'd end up leaving
and think..
damn! Allah's got a bunch of heathens for kids
Father Haskell
wrote:
> convicted neighbor Haskell wrote:
>
> > A truly gifted heart doc would be working here in Baltimore, at
> > Union Memorial or Johns Hopkins.
>
> The gift of ability comes from GOD and not from the place where you
> either work or reside.
So you'd prefer a preacher to do your open heart procedure instead
of a board certified surgeon with 500 previous operations to
his credit?
Free Lunch
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lov...@thetruth.com> wrote in
<1177801025.5...@l77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>:
>convicted neighbor Vicky (percy) wrote:
>
><snip>
>
>> Rest assured that Dr. Hildner and his colleagues in Ocala were not
>> silent after chung was terminated with cause. andy's out of the loop,
>> and those gifted heart docs are very much in the loop and are very aware
>> of andy's ko0kery.
>>
>> Even a gifted heart doc won't get hired if he's insane.
>>
>> Too bad your reputation precedes you, eh andy?
>
>There are no regrets for those who choose to side with the truth,
I side with the truth against your repeated and unrepentent lies. Why
are you such a dishonest creature?
...
Father Haskell
> On Apr 28, 7:10 pm, purpurroterwald <pur...@negative.forest> wrote:
>
>
>
> > "Andrew B. Chung, Failure" wrote:
> > > convicted neighbor Vicky (percy) wrote:
>
> > > <snip>
>
> > >> Rest assured that Dr. Hildner and his colleagues in Ocala were not
> > >> silent after chung was terminated with cause. andy's out of the loop,
> > >> and those gifted heart docs are very much in the loop and are very aware
> > >> of andy's ko0kery.
>
> > >> Even a gifted heart doc won't get hired if he's insane.
>
> > >> Too bad your reputation precedes you, eh andy?
>
> > > There are no regrets for those who choose to side with the truth
>
> > That post stung, huh. LOL
>
> > Go play with your diseased starlings, Chung.
>
> Starlings? He plays with diseased starlings?
> Jeezus, those are
> flying rats, filthiest birds on this continent and not even
> indigenous. Some despicable idiot brought them across the Atlantic to
> plague us with their filth, their odious hideousness, and their
> cacophonic screeching.
Gene Schieffelin was the idiot's name. Legend has it the idiot wanted
to
import every bird mentioned in Shakespeare.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugene_Schieffelin
> House sparrows are not as loathsome and
> obnoxious as starlings.
Schieffelin was responsible for house sparrows, too. Plainly,
Schieffelin was the George Bush of the ornithological world.
> They build huge unsightly nests in the eaves
> and hollows of every beautiful home they can afflict with their shit
> and pestiferous noise, and in the fall they flock together by the
> thousands, swoop down and plague the fields, and infest public parks
> with their disgusting spoor.
You don't want your doctor to have been handling them.
> Starlings are birds of the devil. They represent Satan himself.
> Every starling is the evil incarnation of a demon.
Drown them, Andy. Drown them before it is too late.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
> > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/33aa24f9bd5fc211?
>
> Drew, how would you like it if you was reeeaaalll hongry...
Very much.
Being very hungry is a wonderful blessing.
"Hunger is good." -- Holy Spirit
Amen.
> and you spent your last 1.00 on a can of soup.
Those who are hungry are blessed by GOD and will therefore receive HIS
providence without any need for money.
> You get home.. you are shaking from excitement opening the can...
Incorrect.
"I have food to eat that you know nothing about." -- LORD Jesus Christ
(John 4:32)
Amen.
> you open the can.. only to find a note in there
>
> it says..
>
> "A lamp is to remain uncovered giving the light of the truth, Who is
> LORD Jesus Christ, to everyone in the room."
>
> and it's got a picture of some big lazy slacker, some dude with one
> big long eyebrow across his forehead...
> he's grinning as if he has done you a favor. he thinks this is how to
> propogate the gospel.
Without the LORD, your fantasies are meaningless (Ecclesiastes).
The brethren of LORD Jesus Christ are neither perfect nor more
special...
... we are simply forgiven:
http://www.interviewwithgod.com/forgiven/
May you wisely choose to be forgiven too by publicly declaring with
your mouth that "Jesus is LORD:"
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/TheWay
Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,
Father Haskell
wrote:
> convicted neighbor Barry wrote:
> > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wote:
>
> > >http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/5bd5a5d5116a2069?
>
> > stop cross posting andrew
>
> It remains my choice to continue to receive the guidance of the Holy
> Spirit in everything I say, do, and write.
>
> > , it's rude of you man why can't you see that
>
> Without the LORD, your opinion is meaningless (Ecclesiastes).
>
> > you think God is interested in you being a gentleman?
>
> Just as much as HE had John the Baptist be a gentleman.
I heard he gave good head.
Barry
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wote:
> > You get home.. you are shaking from excitement opening the can...
<snip>
Is what I thought Andrew.
--
What are you scared of?
percy
snip
>
>
>
> Andrew, you creepy little mouth-breathing leprechaun, you are hereby
> sentenced to watching the latest videos of Richard Dawkins in which he
> declares "There is almost certainly NO god." You can find the movies
> at Google videos. Herein fail not, lest you be subjected to strict
> sanctions of the law.
>
> Louse Deo!
>
> Marinate her!
>
That would be "marinate him". Him as in Jeebus.
Like Jade did.
Unfortunately, after all that meticulous preparation, all she got was 2
pounds of stringy, greasy meat.
<:((>>>><
Stephen Knight
experience wearing surgical gloves is to keep his hands warm picking
up dog shit, spewed:
>
>Being very hungry is a wonderful blessing.
>
>"Hunger is good." -- Holy Spirit
The twisted perverted anti-life of christianity is pure Dung. A
sicko representing the very embodiment of all negative life.
The purest christian Nazi towing the holy Mein Kampt of
superstitious evil.
You're the problem. I hope you have a heart attack and drop dead.
Warlord Steve
BAAWA
Kadaitcha Man
churl. Ye sniveled:
> On 28 Apr 2007 19:05:48 -0700, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" Who only
> experience wearing surgical gloves is to keep his hands warm picking
> up dog shit, spewed:
>>
>> Being very hungry is a wonderful blessing.
>>
>> "Hunger is good." -- Holy Spirit
>
> The twisted perverted anti-life of christianity is pure Dung. A
> sicko representing the very embodiment of all negative life.
>
> The purest christian Nazi towing the holy Mein Kampt of
> superstitious evil.
Godwinned. Chung wins. You lose.
> You're the problem. I hope you have a heart attack and drop dead.
>
> Warlord Steve
> BAAWA
--
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Ik denk dat je kan doorgaan als een geadopteerde impotente
ballenstamper.
St. Jackanapes
In alt.flame.jesus.christ, Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD said...
> convicted neighbor Haskell wrote:
> >
> > A truly gifted heart doc would be working here in Baltimore, at
> > Union Memorial or Johns Hopkins.
>
> The gift of ability comes from GOD and not from the place where you
> either work or reside.
So now you're blaming God for your getting fired from your first real
medical job??
You'd better start checking your own blood sugars a couple of times a
day after a comment like that!
--
St. Jackanapes MD/PhD ~ Bearer of The One True Liver ~
Ordained Minister, Physician & Holy Saint of The Universal Life Church
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WEBSITE: http://www.jackanapes.ws | FORUM: http://www.voy.com/20630
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Diet with Dr. Chung: http://www.jackanapes.ws/2pdcat.html
St. Jackanapes
In alt.flame.jesus.christ, purpurroterwald said...
> "Andrew B. Chung, Failure" wrote:
>
> > convicted neighbor Haskell wrote:
> >>
> >> A truly gifted heart doc would be working here in Baltimore, at
> >> Union Memorial or Johns Hopkins.
> >
> > The gift of ability comes from GOD and not from the place where you
> > either work or reside.
>
> Then GOD fucked your ass good and proper, didn't He.
God knows all and sees all, and knows the future. God obviously saw
nothing but incompetence, carnage and death should Chung be allowed to
work in a hospital environment. God must have made those doctors try and
force Andy to alter those medical records, just to save a small part of
humanity from Chung's care.
cbruce
essen.de> wrote:
> In alt.suicide.holiday cbruce <carlbr...@inbox.com> wrote:
>
> >> > give
> >> > this problem up to God, anxiety often disappears.
>
> >> Your solution to life's problems is to just give up, huh.
>
> > I know I certainly don't believe in giving up.
> > I am no quitter sir!
>
> > I don't see any sense in getting started in the first place.
> > (-:arl
>
> Alex:
> Just refrain from judging things good or bad. :-) Giving up is not better
> than never getting started which is not better than getting at it. Nor is
> any of it worse than the others, no? Where there is judgement, there isn't
> equanimity/peace of mind.
>
> Have a good weekend, folks, gotta go. :-)
>
> --
> Waiting for you to return.
> --
> To email me, please have 'alt.suicide.holiday' as the subject line.
I think you're right Alex. :-)
(-:arl
flyingrat
lov...@thetruth.com says...
> Behold in wonder and amazement:
>
Is a frequent and proven liar (evidence archived forever on Google)
Has lost numerous NNTP accounts with supernews and others, has had many
Google accounts nuked, and his vanity domain heartmdphd.com is now
banned from setting up accounts. He is instead using multiple Google
sock accounts and email addresses in the format love#@thetruth.com (#
being a number)
Is unemployed after being sacked with cause from his one and only job
after just over 80 days
Fled the state of Florida, and now claims to practice in Georgia despite
having no admission priveliges in the State's hospitals
Runs a phony foundation with a total declared income of circa $200, the
ownership and contact details of which are obfuscated on its website
Makes failed prophecies concerning earthquakes with areas and dates,
which don't happen (remember the bible quotes about false prophets)
Performed a public attempt at 'exorcising' a Malaysian sock on usenet,
then denied doing it. He has recently reversed position again and admits
to practicing exorcism by usenet, proving himself a liar in the process.
Promotes a dangerous diet, with a million dollar guarantee that he
demands thirty dollars to access details of. This despite being
unemployed. His soliciting and spamming for donations looks to be
similar to the Nigerian Advance Fee Fraud, where victims pay money
upfront in the hope of coming into riches but find they have merely
bought into a lie. Part of his advice is to pour nail polish remover
onto food.
Declares he has a cardiology practice despite posting night and day from
the same IP address (his home presumably) or a coffee shop internet cafe
Makes further false prophecies that we should now be all dying in a bird
flu pandemic. When these fail to happen, he does them all over again and
changes the dates. Nuclear war is another Chung spciality, which
naturally doesn't happen when he says it is going to.
Worships evil hatemonger Fred Phelps and will not denounce the acts of
Westboro's congregation. He even accuses someone with the name Phelps of
being Fred's son and refuses to accept he is completely wrong.
Uses the same patter as Pat Robertson, indicating his religious activity
is confined to watching cable TV. No evidence Chung has ever attended a
church.
Has a tendency to cyberstalk, particularly women. His wife fled some
time ago to another state, an act which Chung tries to pass off as
"being
on vacation".
Frequently passes himself off as being qualified in areas such as
endocrinology, despite making incredibly fundamental blunders in his
'advice'. It is no wonder the Florida heart facility terminated him, and
has publicly denounced his version of events. Again archived on Google.
Don't forget the fake fast, where he didn't lose any weight, as well as
the infamous 666 stamping fiasco. His latest vile trick is spamming the
blogs of dying cancer patients and then crowing triumphantly when they
pass away.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wote:
>
> > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/ebc1f7c15fb2d1cd?
>
> <snip>
>
> Is what I thought Andrew.
This would be acting out of fear.
> What are you scared of?
It remains my choice to reverently fear GOD:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/fear.asp
>From this wise choice, there is no dread concerning anything
(especially not demons) that is of this world:
http://TruthRUS.org/DreadNought
The brethren of LORD Jesus Christ are neither perfect nor more
fearless...
Father Haskell
wrote:
>
> It remains my choice to reverently fear GOD:
BullSHIT.
And you're gonna pay for it after you croak.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >
> > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/e92d55a071f0a309?
> >
> > It remains my choice to reverently fear GOD:
> >
>
> BullSHIT.
Your preoccupation with bovine excrement simply shows that you remain
lost:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/dream.asp
> And you're gonna pay for it after you croak.
Redemption for my sins has already been paid for in full:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Christ.asp
The brethren of LORD Jesus Christ are neither perfect nor more
special ...
Father Haskell
wrote:
> convicted neighbor Haskell wrote:
> > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
> > >http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/e92d55a071f0a309?
>
> > > It remains my choice to reverently fear GOD:
>
> > >http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/fear.asp
>
> > BullSHIT.
>
> Your preoccupation with bovine excrement simply shows that you remain
> lost:
That gave you a hard-on. Didn't it?
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/dream.asp
>
> > And you're gonna pay for it after you croak.
>
> Redemption for my sins has already been paid for in full:
>
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/Christ.asp
Then go nuts in a shopping mall with a freshly-polished katana.
You've
got a free lunch ticket, now go get it stamped.
> The brethren of LORD Jesus Christ are neither perfect nor more
> special ...
>
> ... we are simply forgiven:
>
> http://www.interviewwithgod.com/forgiven/
Jesus hates when arrogant bastards like you speak for him.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > convicted neighbor Haskell wrote:
> > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >
> > > >http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/e92d55a071f0a309?
> >
> > > > It remains my choice to reverently fear GOD:
> >
> > > >http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/fear.asp
> >
> > > BullSHIT.
> >
> > Your preoccupation with bovine excrement simply shows that you remain
> > lost:
>
> That gave you a hard-on. Didn't it?
No.
Would suggest you inform your doctor(s) about your symptoms now
possibly including coprophilia.
Perhaps this will be enough to compel him/her/them to order a contrast-
enhanced MRI for w/u of possible GBM tumor in your brain causing your
epilepsy and associated cognitive deficits.
May GOD bless you.
Father Haskell
wrote:
> convicted neighbor Haskell wrote:
> > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > convicted neighbor Haskell wrote:
> > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
> > > > >http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/e92d55a071f0a309?
>
> > > > > It remains my choice to reverently fear GOD:
>
> > > > >http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/fear.asp
>
> > > > BullSHIT.
>
> > > Your preoccupation with bovine excrement simply shows that you remain
> > > lost:
>
> > That gave you a hard-on. Didn't it?
>
> No.
>
> Would suggest you inform your doctor(s) about your symptoms now
> possibly including coprophilia.
Andy says he wants sugar and cinnamon on his.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Sad to see you write that you continue to hear voices here.
Would continue to suggest you seek a referral from your doctor(s) for
a contrast-enhanced MRI of your brain to find your seizure focus.
Captain Kremmen
> Why does shit turn you on, Andy? Does the reek remind you of your first
> kiss?
Tastes like Jesus, I guess....
Father Haskell
It was probably his preacher.
It was probably Phelps.
Stephen Knight
<father...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Kissing Phelps MUST be better than kissing his wife.
Oink!
Warlord Steve
BAAWA
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> satan via a sockpuppet (demon) wrote:
> >
> > Tastes like Jesus, I guess....
>
> It was probably his preacher.
Jesus, my LORD, is my Preacher.
HE is also my Priest.
> It was probably Phelps.
Your confusing Phelps with the Christ does not bode well for your
level of cognitive functioning.
Again, would urge you to seek a referral for a contrast-enhanced MRI
of your brain.
May GOD bless you.
Alexander Kalinowski
Alex:
Either that or I am completely wrong which isn't better or worse than being
completely right. :-) HA! :-)
Cary Kittrell
> On Apr 28, 7:10 pm, purpurroterwald <pur...@negative.forest> wrote:
> >
> >
> > > <snip>
> >
> > >> Rest assured that Dr. Hildner and his colleagues in Ocala were not
> > >> silent after chung was terminated with cause. andy's out of the loop,
> > >> and those gifted heart docs are very much in the loop and are very aware
> > >> of andy's ko0kery.
> >
> > >> Even a gifted heart doc won't get hired if he's insane.
> >
> > >> Too bad your reputation precedes you, eh andy?
> >
> > > There are no regrets for those who choose to side with the truth
> >
> > That post stung, huh. LOL
> >
> > Go play with your diseased starlings, Chung.
>
> flying rats, filthiest birds on this continent and not even
> indigenous. Some despicable idiot brought them across the Atlantic to
> plague us
Immigrant. Success story. Loved Shakespeare. Should have
thought twice.
-- cary
Cary Kittrell
> convicted neighbor Barry wrote:
> > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wote:
> > >
> > > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/5bd5a5d5116a2069?
> >
> > stop cross posting andrew
>
> It remains my choice to continue to receive the guidance of the Holy
> Spirit in everything I say, do, and write.
>
> > , it's rude of you man why can't you see that
>
> Without the LORD, your opinion is meaningless (Ecclesiastes).
>
> > you think God is interested in you being a gentleman?
>
> Just as much as HE had John the Baptist be a gentleman.
>
>
> A lamp is to remain uncovered giving the light of the truth, Who is
> LORD Jesus Christ, to everyone in the room.
>
> >
> > you ONLY CROSSPOST TO FOOD GROUP BECAUSE OF SUCH A LARGE MEMBERSHIP
>
> Incorrect.
>
> > how obvious and dubious can you get
> >
> > you lazy slacker! stopppit!
>
> Name-calling simply shows that you remain convicted by the Holy
> Spirit:
"It is my heavenly Father's job to judge, the Holy Spirit's
job to convict, and my job to love."
-- Reverend Billy Graham (attributed)
"[Billy Graham] is a foolish, lying, leg-spreading whore,
and hell beneath awaits."
-- Phelps/Westboro web site
"God hates Billy Graham".
-- Phelps/Westboro web site
-- cary
Cary Kittrell
> convicted neighbor Haskell wrote:
> >
> > A truly gifted heart doc would be working here in Baltimore, at
> > Union Memorial or Johns Hopkins.
>
> The gift of ability comes from GOD and not from the place where you
> either work or reside.
>
>
> Clearly you remain convicted by the Holy Spirit:
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > convicted neighbor Haskell wrote:
> > >
> > > A truly gifted heart doc would be working here in Baltimore, at
> > > Union Memorial or Johns Hopkins.
> >
> > The gift of ability comes from GOD and not from the place where you
> > either work or reside.
> >
> > Truth is simple.
> >
> > Clearly you remain convicted by the Holy Spirit:
>
>
>
> "It is my heavenly Father's job to judge, the Holy Spirit's
> job to convict, and my job to love."
> -- Reverend Billy Graham (attributed)
>
>
> "[Billy Graham] is a foolish, lying, leg-spreading whore,
> and hell beneath awaits."
> -- Phelps/Westboro web site
>
> "God hates Billy Graham".
> -- Phelps/Westboro web site
>
Clearly you remain convicted by the Holy Spirit:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts
Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,
Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
http://EmoryCardiology.com
"Unlike the 2PD-OMER Approach, weight loss diets can't be combined
with well-balanced diets"
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
She's So Fat ...
"purpurroterwald" <pur...@negative.forest> wrote in message news:B3992...@A24444.C054917E6BD672...
> "Andrew B. Chung, Failure" wrote:
>
>>
>> It remains my choice to continue to receive the guidance of the Holy
>> Spirit
>
> filling their newsgroups with your offensive bullshit. That's called
> SINNING and it's precisely the opposite of what a real Christian would do.
BS
Nope!
--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
She's So Fat ...
"St. Jackanapes" <biuq...@mwff9w789.com> wrote in message news:MPG.209e0d94...@news.alt.net...
>
> In alt.flame.jesus.christ, purpurroterwald said...
>
>> "Andrew B. Chung, Failure" wrote:
>>
>> > convicted neighbor Haskell wrote:
>> >>
>> >> A truly gifted heart doc would be working here in Baltimore, at
>> >> Union Memorial or Johns Hopkins.
>> >
>> > The gift of ability comes from GOD and not from the place where you
>> > either work or reside.
>>
>> Then GOD fucked your ass good and proper, didn't He.
>
> God knows all and sees all, and knows the future. God obviously saw
> nothing but incompetence, carnage and death should Chung be allowed to
> work in a hospital environment. God must have made those doctors try and
> force Andy to alter those medical records, just to save a small part of
> humanity from Chung's care.
>
Father Haskell
wrote:
> convicted neighbor Haskell wrote:
> > satan via a sockpuppet (demon) wrote:
>
> > > Tastes like Jesus, I guess....
>
> > It was probably his preacher.
>
> Jesus, my LORD, is my Preacher.
>
> HE is also my Priest.
>
> > It was probably Phelps.
>
> Your confusing Phelps with the Christ does not bode well for your
> level of cognitive functioning.
He admits it!
Smiler
"Cary Kittrell" <ca...@afone.as.arizona.edu> wrote in message
news:f15aem$obm$1...@onion.ccit.arizona.edu...
Quid Pro Quo for the grey squirrel!
Smiler,
The godless one
Father Haskell
That's no way to speak of the man Richard Nixon turned to in
times of despair.
Father Haskell
>
> "Unlike the 2PD-OMER Approach, weight loss diets can't be combined
> with well-balanced diets"http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love/TheTruth
You're insane.
Deal with it.
Zudick
"St. Jackanapes" <biuq...@mwff9w789.com> wrote in message news:MPG.209e0d94...@news.alt.net...
>
> In alt.flame.jesus.christ, purpurroterwald said...
>
>>
>> >>
>> >> A truly gifted heart doc would be working here in Baltimore, at
>> >> Union Memorial or Johns Hopkins.
>> >
UC the regulars in this "alt.flame.jesus.christ" ng have
grouped together to what they call *PLONK* someone
person. However, what has really happened is that many no
longer post here, for various reasons. The ng now has more
Scripture / Commentaries woven into it than the regular
bullshit / small talk about worthless nothings from the regulars.
The regulars ARE the cry babies, trying to close accounts,
and other slanderous attempts to defeat a single person,
without results. This person has been here a long time,
since 2001, and they never knew it until they made themselves
visible, around a year ago. There is only small tracks since
2001. However, now this person is more visible than any
regular in this group.
Another interesting thing is that even though they all
*PLONKED* this person, they all read the posts!
This has been proven it by using different access points,
etc., so they don't wanna, but do wanna. Almost all
of the posts outside of this person's posts from the
regulars are usually about or a response to this person.
Very interesting, huh. Have a nice day.
P.S. If you decide to show us ur txts, That person
will be there! (]}-; <>< :-{[)
®andy
in article
<1177799265.6...@h2g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>,
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lov...@thetruth.com> wrote:
>convicted neighbor Haskell wrote:
"Name calling only shows you remain lost" --Andrew B. Chung,
MD/PhD
--
Christ died for our sins, and God raised Him from the dead.
Rely on this work alone to escape hell and receive eternal
life (Jn. 3:16; 1 Cor. 15:1-3; Eph. 2:8-10; 2 Thess. 1:8-9).
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >
>
> "Name calling only shows you remain lost" --Andrew B. Chung,
> MD/PhD
Here's the definition of "name-calling:"
http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/name-calling
"the use of offensive names especially to win an argument or to induce
rejection or condemnation (as of a person or project) without
objective consideration of the facts"
Clearly you remain convicted by the Holy Spirit:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts
May GOD bless you in HIS mighty way.
Cary Kittrell
Gotta wonder how many American troops PhelpsCo were praying
to see killed back during that unfortunate little incident.
-- cary
Cary Kittrell
> convicted neighbor Randy (=AEandy) wrote:
> > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > >
> > > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/a0c4bbfbbdd79c68?
> >
> > "Name calling only shows you remain lost" --Andrew B. Chung,
> > MD/PhD
>
> Here's the definition of "name-calling:"
>
> http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/name-calling
>
> "the use of offensive names especially to win an argument or to induce
> rejection or condemnation (as of a person or project) without
> objective consideration of the facts"
>
> Clearly you remain convicted by the Holy Spirit:
>
"It is my heavenly Father's job to judge, the Holy Spirit's
job to convict, and my job to love."
-- Reverend Billy Graham (attributed)
"[Billy Graham] is a foolish, lying, leg-spreading whore,
and hell beneath awaits."
-- Phelps/Westboro web site
"God hates Billy Graham".
-- Phelps/Westboro web site
-- cary
Velvet Elvis
<ach...@emorycardiology.com> wrote:
>convicted neighbor Cary Kittrell wrote:
>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>> > convicted neighbor Haskell wrote:
>> > >
>> > > A truly gifted heart doc would be working here in Baltimore, at
>> > > Union Memorial or Johns Hopkins.
>> >
>> > The gift of ability comes from GOD and not from the place where you
>> > either work or reside.
>> >
>> > Truth is simple.
>> >
>> > Clearly you remain convicted by the Holy Spirit:
>>
>>
>>
>> "It is my heavenly Father's job to judge, the Holy Spirit's
>> job to convict, and my job to love."
>> -- Reverend Billy Graham (attributed)
>>
>>
>> "[Billy Graham] is a foolish, lying, leg-spreading whore,
>> and hell beneath awaits."
>> -- Phelps/Westboro web site
>>
>> "God hates Billy Graham".
>> -- Phelps/Westboro web site
>>
>http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/1276b51754a91190?
>
>Clearly you remain convicted by the Holy Spirit:
FFS, get some new material.
--
"And lo, Jesus did say unto the soldiers 'Not the OTHER hand.
Ow shit, that hurts! You assholes!' "
[2 Kinison 3:45]
flyingrat
now...@noplace.org says...
> On 30 Apr 2007 15:37:53 -0700, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
> <ach...@emorycardiology.com> wrote:
>
> >convicted neighbor Cary Kittrell wrote:
> >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >> > convicted neighbor Haskell wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > A truly gifted heart doc would be working here in Baltimore, at
> >> > > Union Memorial or Johns Hopkins.
> >> >
> >> > The gift of ability comes from GOD and not from the place where you
> >> > either work or reside.
> >> >
> >> > Truth is simple.
> >> >
> >> > Clearly you remain convicted by the Holy Spirit:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> "It is my heavenly Father's job to judge, the Holy Spirit's
> >> job to convict, and my job to love."
> >> -- Reverend Billy Graham (attributed)
> >>
> >>
> >> "[Billy Graham] is a foolish, lying, leg-spreading whore,
> >> and hell beneath awaits."
> >> -- Phelps/Westboro web site
> >>
> >> "God hates Billy Graham".
> >> -- Phelps/Westboro web site
> >>
> >http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/1276b51754a91190?
> >
> >Clearly you remain convicted by the Holy Spirit:
>
> FFS, get some new material.
>
>
No wonder his wife fled to California and got a court order out against
him
FR
®andy
"Name calling only shows you remain lost" --Andrew B. Chung,
MD/PhD
> > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
> > >http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/a0c4bbfbbdd79c68?
>
> > "Name calling only shows you remain lost" --Andrew B. Chung,
> > MD/PhD
>
> Here's the definition of "name-calling:"
>
> http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/name-calling
>
> "the use of offensive names
Calling someone "convicted", is an offensive name. Especially since
you call people "neighbor", when you believe they are unsaved. So
basically, you are constantly calling people convicted
unregenerates.
especially to win an argument or to induce
> rejection or condemnation (as of a person or project) without
> objective consideration of the facts"
> Clearly you remain convicted by the Holy Spirit:
"Name calling only shows you remain lost" --Andrew B. Chung,
MD/PhD
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts
>
> May GOD bless you in HIS mighty way.
>
> Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,
>
> Andrew <><
> --
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhDhttp://EmoryCardiology.com
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > convicted neighbor Randy (®andy) wrote:
> > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >
> > > >http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/a0c4bbfbbdd79c68?
> >
> > > "Name calling only shows you remain lost" --Andrew B. Chung,
> > > MD/PhD
> >
> > Here's the definition of "name-calling:"
> >
> > http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/name-calling
> >
> > rejection or condemnation (as of a person or project) without
> > objective consideration of the facts"
>
> Calling someone "convicted", is an offensive name. Especially since
> you call people "neighbor", when you believe they are unsaved. So
> basically, you are constantly calling people convicted unregenerates.
That which is either said or written truthfully is by definition not
name-calling.
This is why when LORD Jesus Christ called certain folks "whited
sepulchres," HE was not engaged in name-calling.
In the Holy Spirit, I know HE has convicted you:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts
Your continuing to be untruthful in your bearing false witness
confirms this.
You are forgiven of this by me.
May GOD bless you in HIS mighty way.
Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,
Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
http://EmoryCardiology.com
"Unlike the 2PD-OMER Approach, weight loss diets can't be combined
with well-balanced diets."
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love/TheTruth
St. Jackanapes
In alt.flame.jesus.christ, Stephen Knight said...
Ouch!
St. Jackanapes ~ Bearer of The One True Liver ~
Ordained Minister & Holy Saint of The Universal Life Church
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®andy
wrote:
> convicted neighbor Randy (®andy) wrote:
>
>
>
> > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > convicted neighbor Randy (®andy) wrote:
> > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
> > > > >http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/a0c4bbfbbdd79c68?
>
> > > > "Name calling only shows you remain lost" --Andrew B. Chung,
> > > > MD/PhD
>
> > > Here's the definition of "name-calling:"
>
> > >http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/name-calling
>
> > > "the use of offensive names especially to win an argument or to induce
> > > rejection or condemnation (as of a person or project) without
> > > objective consideration of the facts"
>
> > Calling someone "convicted", is an offensive name. Especially since
> > you call people "neighbor", when you believe they are unsaved. So
> > basically, you are constantly calling people convicted unregenerates.
>
> That which is either said or written truthfully is by definition not
> name-calling.
Let me guess....when you call people names, it's "the truth", but when
they call you names, why then, its a lie, and therefore, only shows
they are unsaved. How convenient.