Re: Mystery Babylon
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Qadosh Stephanos wrote:
> > Well, the book says Mystery Babylon has a sea port and trades stuff.
> >
> > Jerusalem doesn't have a sea port, except for those swimming pools.
> >
> > Rome has a sea port, but I have not seen anything at the Wal*Mart.
>
> Sure, the blood of all the prophets is to be charged of New York
> City, founded 1898 A.D. : (...
>
> *Rev 18:24 And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints,
> and of all that were slain upon the earth.
>
> --
>
> And even the Apostles were killed by mean ol' New Yorkers : (...
>
> *Rev 18:20 Rejoice over her, O heaven, and you saints and apostles and
> prophets, for God has given judgment for you against her!"
>
> --
> And first century Israel, Judea, even Jerusalem, even the Temple in
> Jerusalem, did not trade with many merchants from all over the world
> via the gaping Mediterrenean Sea to rebuild the temple, and long
> before, and cannot possibly be the representation of the woman upon a
> scarlet beast because you think the "great city" must have a "sea
> port".
>
> You see a "sea port" down by the sea shore? ... *"And all shipmasters
> and seafaring men, sailors and all whose trade is on the sea, stood far
> off and cried out as they saw the smoke of her burning"* ... I see no
> "port", but I see shipmasters and traders "stood far off"...but not
> that far...
>
>
> *Nehemiah 13:20 Then the merchants and sellers of all kinds of wares
> lodged outside Jerusalem once or twice...
>
>
> Hows that?...Sidon, Zarephath, Tyre, Ptolemais, Caesarea, Apollonia,
> Joppa, Salamis...etc, etc, etc.
>
> You are one deluded anti-American one verse Charlie futurist if you
> believe that New York City, (but not Colorado, no port!), is the
> representation of the two part symbolic vision of a mother of harlots
> upon a seven headed scarlet beast that hated her.
BABYLON THE GREAT == rearranges to ==> AT TEHRAN BY GLOBE
"There are various theories pertaining to the origin of the name
Tehran. The most plausible theory is that the word 'Tehran' is derived
from Tiran/Tirgan, "The Abode of Tir" (Tir being the Zoroastrian deity
equivalent to the Greek deity Mercury). The ancient Parthian town of
Tiran was a neighbor to the town of Mehran ("The Abode of Mehr/Mithra,
the Zoroastrian sun god). Both of these were mere villages in the
suburbs of the great city of Ray/Rhages. Mehran is still extant and
forms a residential district inside the Greater Tehran, as is also
Ray--which forms the southern suburbs of Tehran.
Another theory is that Tehran means "a warm place", as opposed to "a
cool place" (e.g. Shemiran) - a cooler district in northern Tehran.
Some current texts in this regard claim that the word Tehran in Persian
means "warm mountain slope" (دامنه گرم)."
"More than half of the country's industry is based there. Industries
include the manufacturing of cars, electronics and electrical
equipment, military weaponry, textiles, sugar, cement, and chemical
products. It is also a leading center for the sale of carpets and
furniture. There is an oil refinery nearby.
Tehran is a sprawling city at the foot of the Alborz mountain range
with an immense network of highways unparalleled in western Asia. It is
also the hub of the country's railway network. The city has numerous
large museums, art centers, palace complexes and cultural centers.
In addition to Persians, there is a population of Azeris in Tehran, as
well as other ethnicities including Armenian, Assyrian, Kurdish and
Jewish communities. 98.3% of Tehran's residents speak Persian. The city
is dotted with mosques, and there are a number of churches and
synagogues."
"In the early 18th century, Karim Khan Zand ordered a palace, a harem,
and a government office to be built in Tehran, possibly to declare the
city his capital, but later moved his government to Shiraz. Tehran
finally became the capital of Persia in 1795, when the Qajar king Agha
Mohammad Khan was crowned in the city. It remains the capital to this
day."
"During World War II, British and Soviet troops entered the city.
Tehran was the site of the Teheran Conference in 1943, attended by US
President Franklin D. Roosevelt, British Prime Minister Winston
Churchill, and Soviet Premier Joseph Stalin."
Sister cities:
Los Angeles, USA (linked before 1979)
Havana, Cuba (2001)
Pretoria, South Africa (planned 2002)
Caracas, Venezuela (2005)
Beijing, China (planned 2006)
Istanbul, Turkey
Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tehran
"Ray, also spelled Rey, Rayy, Rhages or Rages (ری in Persian; Rhagae
in Greek) is the most historic city in the province of Tehran, Iran."
"The city is the birthplace of many scholars and celebrities in Iranian
history such as Rhazes, Amin Razi, Fakhr al-Din al-Razi, Najmeddin Razi
(by origin), and Morteza Avini.
The city is estimated to be more than five thousand years old, and was
built during the Median Empire. It was known in Classical times as
Rhagae. It is mentioned several times in the Bible (Judith 1:5, 15;
Tobit 1:14, 5:5, 6:10). Its name dates back to the pre-Median. Some
historians attribute its building to ancient mythological monarchs, and
some others believe that Ray was the seat of a dynasty of Zoroastrian
leader.
Rayy is richer than many other ancient cities in the number of its
historical monuments, among which one might refer to the 3000-year-old
Gebri castle, the 5000-year-old Cheshmeh Ali hill, the 1000-year-old
Bibi Shahr Banoo tomb and Shah Abbasi caravansary.
After the Mongol conquest the town was severely damaged and it
gradually lost its importance in the presence of nearby Tehran.
Rayy contains a famous shrine of a Shia saint Shah-Abdol-Azim, as well
as a 12th century tower called Borj e Toghrol.
There is also a shrine there, dedicated to commemorate Princess Shahr
Banu, eldest daughter of the last ruler of the Sassanid Empire. She
gave birth to Ali Zayn al Abidin, the fourth holy Imam of the Shia
faith. This was through her marriage to Husayn ibn Ali, the grandson of
Muhammad, the prophet of Islam. A nearby mountain is also named after
her. However, some sources attribute the shrine to the goddess of water
and fertility, Anahita, claiming it was renamed in Islamic times to
protect it from any possible harm after the conversion of Iranians to
Islam."
Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ray%2C_Iran
Hope this proves helpful.
May GOD continue healing our hearts.
Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung
Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit
As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the
unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies
(Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17).
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/d3b7b57d0fbf89ed?
Qadosh Stephanos
<nos...@heartmdphd.com> wrote:
>Hope this proves helpful.
Are you for real, if a person pinches you, will you make more sound?
Is there a string on your back that can be pulled and recoiled back?
How often do you replace those batteries that make your mouth babble?
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew wrote:
>
> >Hope this proves helpful.
>
> Are you for real
Yes.
May GOD heal your heart, dear neighbor Qadosh whom I love
unconditionally.
Qadosh Stephanos
<lov...@heartmdphd.com> wrote:
>> Are you for real
>
>Yes.
I was thinking about something tangible.
All I got was another repeated message.
A stuffed pillow speaks more than you.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> On 27 Aug 2006 00:54:35 -0700, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
> <lov...@heartmdphd.com> wrote:
>
> >> Are you for real
> >
> >Yes.
>
> I was thinking about something tangible.
>
> All I got was another repeated message.
You received an answer to your question.
> A stuffed pillow speaks more than you.
In truth, there is no speaking in this medium.
May GOD continue to heal your heart, dear neighbor Qadosh whom I love
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Qadosh Stephanos wrote:
> > On 24 Aug 2006 23:02:22 -0700, "Flowerchild8245"
> > <flowerc...@netzero.com> wrote:
> >
> > >You are one deluded anti-American one verse Charlie futurist if you
> > >believe that New York City, (but not Colorado, no port!), is the
> > >representation of the two part symbolic vision of a mother of harlots
> > >upon a seven headed scarlet beast that hated her.
> >
> >
> > Jerusalem is out, Rome is out. What have we left? Hmm... the Mother?
> >
> > Daughter's and Mother's. The Mother is the Mother of all the Harlets.
> >
> >
> > "THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH".
> >
> > The Daughter's are those that are born of the Mother.
> >
> > Who begot America? Ahha, now we are getting somewhere.
> >
> >
> > Who begot America's Mother's Father? Was it not Rome?
> >
> > It all points back to the Pontius Maximus Roman thingy.
> >
> > It all points back to Catholicism. The Mother Church.
> >
> >
> > The Mother Church begot Protestants. These are daughters.
> >
> > Okay, now lets look at what caused this thingy to happen.
> >
> > Well, it goes a way back in time when the 2nd beast came.
> >
> >
> > He is the 13th Apostle, I mean that he is the 2nd beast.
> >
> > The darkness in the church was a result of that Apostle.
> >
> > The bloodshed and Christian divisions were the result.
> >
> >
> > The head of the Church is Paul, not the chosen Peter.
>
> ===============================================================
>
> I agree that Paul, the false apostle and false prophet initiated
> Christianity. Paul took over the church of the followers of Yeshuwa`,
> and preached "another gospel" and "another Jesus".
"In the sight of GOD, Who gives life to everything, and of Christ
Jesus, Who while testifying before Pontius Pilate made the good
confession, I charge you to keep this command without spot or blame
until the appearing of our LORD Jesus Christ, which GOD will bring
about in HIS own time -- GOD the blessed and only Ruler, the KING of
kings and the LORD of lords, Who alone is immortal and Who lives in
Unapproachable Light, Whom no one has seen or can see. To HIM be honor
and might forever. Amen." -- Apostle Paul (1 Timothy 6:13-16)
"HE is dressed in a robe dipped in blood, and HIS name is the Word of
GOD. The armies of heaven were following HIM, riding on white horses
and dressed in fine linen, white and clean. Out of HIS mouth comes a
sharp sword with which to strike down the nations. 'HE will rule them
with an iron scepter.' HE treads the winepress of the fury of the wrath
of GOD Almighty. On HIS robe and on HIS thigh HE has this name
written:
KING of kings and LORD of lords." -- Apostle John (Revelation 19:13-16)
It is clear from these two passages of the Holy Bible, that both
Apostles Paul and John describe the same Yeshuwa, Who is LORD Jesus
Christ and Who is:
"KING of kings and LORD of lords." (1 Timothy 6:15 and Revelation
19:16)
and Who is GOD, Who lives in Unapproachable Light, Whom no one has seen
or can see.
"My LORD **and** my GOD !" -- Apostle Thomas upon seeing the risen
Christ Jesus (John 20:28).
If you opine Apostle Paul to be false, you will have to opine that
Apostles John and Thomas are also false by the same measure of how they
describe LORD Jesus Christ to be GOD.
Is it your witness that Apostles John and Thomas are also false ?
Qadosh Stephanos
<lov...@heartmdphd.com> wrote:
>In truth, there is no speaking in this medium.
Say if I had my tongue removed, by what means would I have to speak?
Linda Lee
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Ist Timothy, 2nd Timothy, and 1st and 2nd Thessalonians, plus a couple
of other books attributed to Paul are well known to have been written
by someone else.
Linda Lee
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew wrote:
>
> >In truth, there is no speaking in this medium.
>
> Say if I had my tongue removed, by what means would I have to speak?
You would not need your tongue for this medium. Indeed, for all we
know you may have already had your tongue removed.
May GOD continue to heal your heart dear neighbor whom I love
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Why would someone else have an interest in dictating letters to Apostle
Paul's protege?
Qadosh Stephanos
<lov...@heartmdphd.com> wrote:
>Qadosh Stephanos wrote:
>> Andrew wrote:
>>
>> >In truth, there is no speaking in this medium.
>>
>> Say if I had my tongue removed, by what means would I have to speak?
>
>You would not need your tongue for this medium. Indeed, for all we
>know you may have already had your tongue removed.
I guess that means, according Paul, tongueless people are in trouble!
Philippians 2:11 (KJV)
And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the
glory of God the Father.
Romans 14:11 (KJV)
For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to
me, and every tongue shall confess to God.
Fortunately Messiah said it differently. He said to believe in Him.
Where is it written? Maybe Paul is talking about Isaiah:
Isaiah 45:23 (KJV)
I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in
righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall
bow, every tongue shall swear.
What if my legs where blown off by a bomb and my tongue removed?
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew wrote:
> >Qadosh Stephanos wrote:
> >> Andrew wrote:
> >>
> >> >In truth, there is no speaking in this medium.
> >>
> >> Say if I had my tongue removed, by what means would I have to speak?
> >
> >You would not need your tongue for this medium. Indeed, for all we
> >know you may have already had your tongue removed.
>
> I guess that means, according Paul, tongueless people are in trouble!
>
> Philippians 2:11 (KJV)
>
> And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the
> glory of God the Father.
So what is your excuse for not confessing that Jesus Christ is LORD?
Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
Andrew <><
Qadosh Stephanos
<lov...@heartmdphd.com> wrote:
>Qadosh Stephanos wrote:
>> Andrew wrote:
>> >Qadosh Stephanos wrote:
>> >> Andrew wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >In truth, there is no speaking in this medium.
>> >>
>> >> Say if I had my tongue removed, by what means would I have to speak?
>> >
>> >You would not need your tongue for this medium. Indeed, for all we
>> >know you may have already had your tongue removed.
>>
>> I guess that means, according Paul, tongueless people are in trouble!
>>
>> Philippians 2:11 (KJV)
>>
>> And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the
>> glory of God the Father.
>
>So what is your excuse for not confessing that Jesu3s Christ is LORD?
Matthew 7:21-23 (KJV)
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the
kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in
heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not
prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in
thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them,
I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
I don't need to reveal myself with titles and with those psychopaths.
1st Thessalonians 2:18 (KJV)
Wherefore we would have come unto you, even I Paul, once and again;
but Satan hindered us.
That's a bit odd. Satan hindered Paul.
1st Timothy 1:20 (KJV)
Of whom is Hymenaeus and Alexander; whom I have delivered unto Satan,
that they may learn not to blaspheme.
That's a bit odd. Paul sent some people to Satan.
2nd Corinthians 12:7 (KJV)
And lest I should be exalted above measure through the abundance of
the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the
messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above
measure.
The above scripture pretty well explains everything. I mean paranoia.
1st John 5:18 (KJV)
We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is
begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.
1st Corinthians 4:15 (KJV)
For though ye have ten thousand instructors in Christ, yet have ye not
many fathers: for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the
gospel.
Matthew 23:9 (KJV)
And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father,
which is in heaven.
Fortunately, I have one Father. And it ain't that guy renamed Paul.
Werner -the Christian Agnostic- Kurator
in <1156708746.1...@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com>
on 2006-08-27 announced this statement:
You mean you can provide evidence that these people *actually*
received the letters written to them?
<cut>
Werner Kurator
--
==========================================================
"Like all translations of the Bible, made as they are by
imperfect man, this one undoubtedly falls short of its goals. Yet
we are grateful to God for the extent to which he has enabled us
to realize these goals and for the strength he has given us and
our colleagues to complete our task."
Preface to the "New International Version" of the Bible
June 1978
(Revised August 1983)
==============================================================
"I am writing for the 'Christian agnostic,' by which I mean a
person who... thought he is sure of many Christians truth,
feels that he cannot honestly and conscientiously 'sign on the
dotted line' that he believes certain theological ideas about
what some branches of the Church dogmatize."
"LESLIE D. WEATHERHEAD's thoughtful and compelling Christian
writings brought him worldwide acclaim during his lifetime. His
many other books include "the will of God", "The Autobiography
of Jesus", "Life begins at death", "The meaning of the Cross",
"Prescription for anxiety", and "time for God". Dr. Weatherhead
served as the pastor of City Temple in London, England, from
1936 until 1960"
== quote taken from the back-cover of his "the Christian Agnostic"...
==============================================================
A witty saying proves nothing, but saying something pointless gets
people's attention.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
What part of the question mark do you not understand ?
May GOD continue to heal your heart, dear neighbor Werner whom I love
unconditionally.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew wrote:
> >Qadosh Stephanos wrote:
> >> Andrew wrote:
> >> >Qadosh Stephanos wrote:
> >> >> Andrew wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >In truth, there is no speaking in this medium.
> >> >>
> >> >> Say if I had my tongue removed, by what means would I have to speak?
> >> >
> >> >You would not need your tongue for this medium. Indeed, for all we
> >> >know you may have already had your tongue removed.
> >>
> >> I guess that means, according Paul, tongueless people are in trouble!
> >>
> >> Philippians 2:11 (KJV)
> >>
> >> And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the
> >> glory of God the Father.
> >
>
> Matthew 7:21-23 (KJV)
>
> Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the
> kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in
> heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not
> prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in
> thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them,
> I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Amen.
Yes, it is written that not everyone that believes they know LORD Jesus
Christ will be let into HIS kingdom in heaven.
> I don't need to reveal myself with titles and with those psychopaths.
That would be your choice.
My GOD continue to heal your heart, dear neighbor Qadosh whom I love
unconditionally.
Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
Andrew <><
Qadosh Stephanos
<nos...@heartmdphd.com> wrote:
Correction: Kingdom "of" heaven.
>> I don't need to reveal myself with titles and with those psychopaths.
>
>That would be your choice.
It's not about choices. It's about the chosen.
The chosen don't have the freedom of choices.
John 15:16 (KJV)
Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that
ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain:
that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it
you.
>My GOD continue to heal your heart, dear neighbor Qadosh whom I love
>unconditionally.
I saw this child's girly doll demonstrated at the local Wal*Mart.
I pulled the string, and each time it spoke something different.
Then I was wondering, why can't they make an Andrew Chung doll?
>Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
>
>Andrew <><
Yea, and sorry I don't have a repetitive and static tag line.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
HIS kingdom belongs to HIM and not heaven.
HE is our Father in heaven and not "of" heaven.
> >> I don't need to reveal myself with titles and with those psychopaths.
> >
> >That would be your choice.
>
> It's not about choices.
You have GOD's generous gift of free will.
> It's about the chosen.
Actually, this discussion is about Babylon the Great.
> The chosen don't have the freedom of choices.
Actually, the chosen retain the free will that GOD has generously given
to all souls.
> John 15:16 (KJV)
>
> Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that
> ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain:
> that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it
> you.
Amen.
Now, read the Book of Jonah.
My GOD continue to heal your heart, dear neighbor Qadosh whom I love
unconditionally.
Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
Andrew <><
Qadosh Stephanos
<nos...@heartmdphd.com> wrote:
>Actually, this discussion is about Babylon the Great.
No it ain't. It's about "Mystery Babylon".
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/c7d52860aa2f5610?
"...Babylon the Great..." (Revelation 17:5)
May GOD continue to heal your heart, dear neighbor Qadosh whom I love
Qadosh Stephanos
<nos...@heartmdphd.com> wrote:
>Qadosh Stephanos wrote:
>> On 27 Aug 2006 17:13:15 -0700, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
>> <nos...@heartmdphd.com> wrote:
>>
>> >Actually, this discussion is about Babylon the Great.
>>
>> No it ain't. It's about "Mystery Babylon".
>
>http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/c7d52860aa2f5610?
>
>"...Babylon the Great..." (Revelation 17:5)
What is your point? The thread does say "Mystery Babylon".
>May GOD continue to heal your heart, dear neighbor Qadosh whom I love
>unconditionally.
I love you much also, even if you are an enemy of Messiah.
>Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
I don't need to pray for God's love. It is given freely.
>Andrew <><
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew wrote:
> >Qadosh Stephanos wrote:
> >>
> >> >Actually, this discussion is about Babylon the Great.
> >>
> >> No it ain't. It's about "Mystery Babylon".
> >
> >http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/c7d52860aa2f5610?
> >
> >"...Babylon the Great..." (Revelation 17:5)
>
> What is your point? The thread does say "Mystery Babylon".
In reference to the title that is written on her forehead:
"Mystery
Babylon the Great
The Mother of Prostitutes
and of the Abominations of the Earth." (Revelation 17:5)
May GOD continue to heal your heart, dear neighbor Qadosh whom I love
unconditionally.
Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
Andrew <><
Werner -the Christian Agnostic- Kurator
in <1156721599....@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
<cut>
>> >> ===================================================================
>> >>
>> >> Ist Timothy, 2nd Timothy, and 1st and 2nd Thessalonians,
>> >> plus a couple of other books attributed to Paul are well
>> >> known to have been written by someone else.
>> >
>> > Why would someone else have an interest in dictating
>> > letters to Apostle Paul's protege?
>> >
>> You mean you can provide evidence that these people
>> *actually* received the letters written to them?
>
> What part of the question mark do you not understand ?
I take your reply that you can't put forth the *requested*
evidence that these people *really* received the letters, fake or
otherwise?
>
>
June 1978
"I guess this means that I'm developing the sort of black bastard aura that
will eventually make my kindest, gentlest utterances sound like the
pronouncements of Satan."
-- Steve VanDevender in the Scary Devil Monastery
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew wrote:
>
>
> >> >> ===================================================================
> >> >>
> >> >> Ist Timothy, 2nd Timothy, and 1st and 2nd Thessalonians,
> >> >> plus a couple of other books attributed to Paul are well
> >> >> known to have been written by someone else.
> >> >
> >> > Why would someone else have an interest in dictating
> >> > letters to Apostle Paul's protege?
> >> >
> >> You mean you can provide evidence that these people
> >> *actually* received the letters written to them?
> >
> > What part of the question mark do you not understand ?
>
> I take your reply that you can't put forth the *requested*
> evidence that these people *really* received the letters, fake or
> otherwise?
The letters making it into the Holy Bible is sufficient evidence for
me.
Now, where is your evidence that the letters were faked proving that
they don't belong in the Holy Bible?
May GOD continue to heal your heart, dear Werner whom I love
Don Kirkman
article <1156802200.7...@74g2000cwt.googlegroups.com>:
>Werner -the Christian Agnostic- Kurator wrote:
>> I take your reply that you can't put forth the *requested*
>> evidence that these people *really* received the letters, fake or
>> otherwise?
>The letters making it into the Holy Bible is sufficient evidence for
>me.
>Now, where is your evidence that the letters were faked proving that
>they don't belong in the Holy Bible?
False dichotomy; there is reason to believe that some Biblical materials
were in fact fictional and/or faked* and yet were found to have
spiritual lessons for the believers. Among those we can look at Esther,
Jonah, and Daniel, for starters.
* This is not to say that the compilers or editors were aware the
documents were not historically or factually true.
--
Don Kirkman
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew wrote:
>
> >Werner -the Christian Agnostic- Kurator wrote:
>
> >> I take your reply that you can't put forth the *requested*
> >> evidence that these people *really* received the letters, fake or
> >> otherwise?
>
> >The letters making it into the Holy Bible is sufficient evidence for
> >me.
>
> >Now, where is your evidence that the letters were faked proving that
> >they don't belong in the Holy Bible?
>
> False dichotomy; there is reason to believe that some Biblical materials
> were in fact fictional and/or faked* and yet were found to have
> spiritual lessons for the believers. Among those we can look at Esther,
> Jonah, and Daniel, for starters.
>
> * This is not to say that the compilers or editors were aware the
> documents were not historically or factually true.
What you have written is inherently contradictory.
May GOD continue to heal your heart, dear neighbor Don whom I love
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Andrew,
Those scriptures (Matthew 5:44-45 & James 2:14-17 -- and I don't mean
Corinthians) don't identify the elect. To love your fellow man is a
sign of being the children of God and of Abraham.
The 'children of the devil' are like "Cain who was of that wicked
one, and slew his brother." (I John 3:12). Cain's brother had not
harmed him in any way, yet Cain became jealous and hateful towards him
and killed him. I John 3:8-10 says, "He that committeth sin is of the
devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning ...In this ...are
manifest ...the children of the devil". Their evil behavior is the
identifying mark that unveils them as "children of the devil". The
"children of the devil" are inherently sinful and even murderous.
The apostle Peter says how to be 'born again' of 'incorruptible
seed' that will attain immortality in Heaven. I Pet. 1:22-23 says,
"...ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the
Spirit unto ** unfeigned love of the brethren **...Being born again,
not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God,
which liveth and abideth forever."
After God had blessed Abraham and formed a covenant with him, fallen
man was told to "seek a godly seed" (Mal. 2:15).
The Messiah said that those who loved him were children of God and were
considered to be "Abraham's children", and that those who sought
to kill him, although they were "Abraham's seed" (Jews descended
from Abraham), were not "Abraham's children", but were of their
"father the devil" (John 8:37-42).
So who are the godly 'children of Abraham'? The only way to discern
that is through their behavior, not through their ancestry or
nationality, as Gen. 17:4 says that Abraham is a "father of many
nations".
Of course, evil people often hide their evil behavior, therefore, only
God can discern who is good from who is evil.
Don Kirkman
>Don Kirkman wrote:
>> Andrew wrote:
>> >Werner -the Christian Agnostic- Kurator wrote:
>> >> I take your reply that you can't put forth the *requested*
>> >> evidence that these people *really* received the letters, fake or
>> >> otherwise?
>> >The letters making it into the Holy Bible is sufficient evidence for
>> >me.
>> >Now, where is your evidence that the letters were faked proving that
>> >they don't belong in the Holy Bible?
>> False dichotomy; there is reason to believe that some Biblical materials
>> were in fact fictional and/or faked* and yet were found to have
>> spiritual lessons for the believers. Among those we can look at Esther,
>> Jonah, and Daniel, for starters.
>> * This is not to say that the compilers or editors were aware the
>> documents were not historically or factually true.
>What you have written is inherently contradictory.
Not at all. You yourself not only accept false statements, but you
write them as well, all the while apparently not aware that they are not
historically or factually true.
For example, some of your cutesy little Sunday School stories that you
used to slip into your messages quite regularly--total fictions.
--
Don Kirkman
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Correct. In the Holy Spirit, they provide an understanding for those
who wish to identify the **very** elect.
> To love your fellow man is a
> sign of being the children of God and of Abraham.
Correct. The children of GOD have GOD's love and are in the Holy
Spirit.
> The 'children of the devil' are like "Cain who was of that wicked
> one, and slew his brother." (I John 3:12). Cain's brother had not
> harmed him in any way, yet Cain became jealous and hateful towards him
> and killed him. I John 3:8-10 says, "He that committeth sin is of the
> devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning ...In this ...are
> manifest ...the children of the devil". Their evil behavior is the
> identifying mark that unveils them as "children of the devil". The
> "children of the devil" are inherently sinful and even murderous.
There are many among us some even saying lord... lord.
> The apostle Peter says how to be 'born again' of 'incorruptible
> seed' that will attain immortality in Heaven. I Pet. 1:22-23 says,
> "...ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the
> Spirit unto ** unfeigned love of the brethren **...Being born again,
> not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God,
> which liveth and abideth forever."
Amen.
"Love cannot be feigned... it is patient unto death." -- Holy Spirit
> After God had blessed Abraham and formed a covenant with him, fallen
> man was told to "seek a godly seed" (Mal. 2:15).
>
> The Messiah said that those who loved him were children of God and were
> considered to be "Abraham's children", and that those who sought
> to kill him, although they were "Abraham's seed" (Jews descended
> from Abraham), were not "Abraham's children", but were of their
> "father the devil" (John 8:37-42).
Amen.
"Those who love the Messiah are boldly able to proclaim their love for
HIM because I make them able." -- Holy Spirit
> So who are the godly 'children of Abraham'? The only way to discern
> that is through their behavior, not through their ancestry or
> nationality, as Gen. 17:4 says that Abraham is a "father of many
> nations".
Actually, it should be obvious to the most casual observer, discerning
or not.
> Of course, evil people often hide their evil behavior, therefore, only
> God can discern who is good from who is evil.
Actually, those with GOD's love in their hearts cannot hide this:
"You are the light of the world. A city on the hill cannot be hidden.
Neither do people light a lamp and put it under a bowl. Instead they
put it on a stand, and it gives light to everyone in the house. In the
same way, let you light sihine before men, that they may see your good
deeds and praise your Father in heaven." -- LORD Jesus Christ (Matther
5:14-16)
May GOD heal your heart filling it with HIS love so that you will be
bold in HIM, dear sister Linda whom I love unconditionally.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew wrote:
>
> >Don Kirkman wrote:
> >> Andrew wrote:
>
> >> >Werner -the Christian Agnostic- Kurator wrote:
>
> >> >> I take your reply that you can't put forth the *requested*
> >> >> evidence that these people *really* received the letters, fake or
> >> >> otherwise?
>
> >> >The letters making it into the Holy Bible is sufficient evidence for
> >> >me.
>
> >> >Now, where is your evidence that the letters were faked proving that
> >> >they don't belong in the Holy Bible?
>
> >> False dichotomy; there is reason to believe that some Biblical materials
> >> were in fact fictional and/or faked* and yet were found to have
> >> spiritual lessons for the believers. Among those we can look at Esther,
> >> Jonah, and Daniel, for starters.
>
> >> * This is not to say that the compilers or editors were aware the
> >> documents were not historically or factually true.
>
> >What you have written is inherently contradictory.
>
> Not at all.
Who found the Biblical stories fictional and yet "spiritual lessons for
the believers" if not "the compilers or editors" whom you attempted to
slander/libel ?
May GOD continue to heal your heart, dear neighbor Don whom I love
unconditionally.
Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung
Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit
As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the
unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies
(Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17).
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/d3b7b57d0fbf89ed?
Don Kirkman
>Don Kirkman wrote:
>> Andrew wrote:
>> >Don Kirkman wrote:
>> >> * This is not to say that the compilers or editors were aware the
>> >> documents were not historically or factually true.
>> >What you have written is inherently contradictory.
>> Not at all.
>Who found the Biblical stories fictional and yet "spiritual lessons for
>the believers" if not "the compilers or editors" whom you attempted to
>slander/libel ?
Saying a person may not know something about a document or a story (most
Bible stories began as oral tradition passed down through generations)
is far removed from slander. OTOH saying someone "attempted to
slander/libel" someone *is* false and slanderous.
The non-historical or fictional nature of the stories became apparent as
linguists and archeologists learned more about the cultures of the
Middle East and were able to compare various versions of the surviving
documents; there was no way the compilers or editors could have known
this in their own times.
If I say (as I have done and will continue to do) you often don't know
what you're talking about, that is not slander or libel, it is a
statement of fact, documented in thousands of messages in the newsgroups
you haunt.
--
Don Kirkman
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew wrote:
>
> >Don Kirkman wrote:
> >> Andrew wrote:
>
> >> >Don Kirkman wrote:
>
> >> >> * This is not to say that the compilers or editors were aware the
> >> >> documents were not historically or factually true.
>
> >> >What you have written is inherently contradictory.
>
> >> Not at all.
Your snipping what you had written in your vain attempt to disrupt the
contradiction is proof that you now recognize the inherent
contradiction. Thankfully, folks can go back into the Google archives
if they wish to review what you had written.
Bottomline: You remain untruthful.
May GOD continue to heal your heart dear neighbor Don whom I love
Don Kirkman
>Don Kirkman wrote:
>> Andrew wrote:
>> >Don Kirkman wrote:
>> >> Andrew wrote:
>> >> >Don Kirkman wrote:
>> >> >> * This is not to say that the compilers or editors were aware the
>> >> >> documents were not historically or factually true.
>> >> >What you have written is inherently contradictory.
>> >> Not at all.
>Your snipping what you had written in your vain attempt to disrupt the
>contradiction is proof that you now recognize the inherent
>contradiction. Thankfully, folks can go back into the Google archives
>if they wish to review what you had written.
I'll restore it for you:
>> False dichotomy; there is reason to believe that some Biblical materials
>> were in fact fictional and/or faked* and yet were found to have
>> spiritual lessons for the believers. Among those we can look at Esther,
>> Jonah, and Daniel, for starters.
>> * This is not to say that the compilers or editors were aware the
>> documents were not historically or factually true.
>Bottomline: You remain untruthful.
Bottom line: you remain hypocritical; you consistently mutilate, in
whole or in part, messages with which you disagree.
Now show me where the part I had snipped changed in any way the meaning
of what I did not snip.
--
Don Kirkman
Qadosh Stephanos
<nos...@heartmdphd.com> wrote:
>Qadosh Stephanos wrote:
>> Andrew wrote:
>> >Qadosh Stephanos wrote:
>> >> Andrew wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >Actually, this discussion is about Babylon the Great.
>> >>
>> >> No it ain't. It's about "Mystery Babylon".
>> >
>> >http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/c7d52860aa2f5610?
>> >
>> >"...Babylon the Great..." (Revelation 17:5)
>>
>> What is your point? The thread does say "Mystery Babylon".
>
>In reference to the title that is written on her forehead:
>
>"Mystery
>Babylon the Great
>The Mother of Prostitutes
>and of the Abominations of the Earth." (Revelation 17:5)
Partaking in social discussions without an ability to conversate.
You're such a howl and a source of your own created entertainment.
God grant you salvation in spite of your delusions and mentality.