SERMO Secure, SERMO Good, SERMO Honest?
MU
The physicians-only network (PON) SERMO follows a familiar model (and I
don't MU-een Paris Hilton).
(none of the below was actually performed by MU or Muites or MUers, it is
entirely theoretical and in no way whatsoever is it to be contrived that I,
MU, did any of this, no way, no how, no chance).
Signed,
John Travolta
=====================================================================
Hi! My name is (Mu, what's my name?. oh, ok) KNOTTA, I'm Eastern West
Pakistanse, my family name is (Mu, what...oh, ok) FOKK EN EMDEE. I am here
(Mu, why..YOU DON'T HAVE TO YELL!!) to join jell, jeel, jello, sermo,
sermo,
Yes, hear to join SERMO !!!.
It's a beautiful morning and MU, er, Knotta feels a strong need to be
socially interactive. Let's see Me Mu's (damn,) KNOTTA'S choices.
MySpace - nah, too much VD
Facebook - nah, too much....
SERMO - Nah, I'm not a ..........whoa, well let's think this through.
1) Public Database Verification = ID Validation = A Physician?
uh, ok, public DB, got that; need DEA #, hmmmm, OK got that now too!
I'm in, I'm a SERMOABITE, I'M KNOTTA FOCK EN EMDEE
2) I'm so excited, I want....wait, who else isn't a, I Mu-een, might not be
a physician? There are 34,997 "MDs" here, (I took one off for Mu ,strike
that, Knotta, one for Yammers, one for TheHellOfIt.
3) Now Knotta can look around read and learn and post and, and...wait,
whose a DR, who isn't?
That's it, hey MU I............
====================================================================
Yes, um, see you later, um, Mephistopheles, yes, Mephistopheles, ggod to
know ya'.
(The foregoing was a mindless rant by someone who has forged Mu's IP and
his DoD CAC to worm his way into, uh , whatever and further more we can and
he will, Mu, well........
<eom>
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Sanity's Little Helper
news:3ee19558-b2da-47cd...@f3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com to
sci.med.cardiology:
"(1) Nothing from Sermo has been posted to tech-archive.net by me simply
because I have not subscribed to tech-archive.net.
"
BZZT! Wrong! Ignorance is no excuse, Andy.
Technical note:
Anything posted to a.s.d. is automatically archived on Tech-archive.net's
website.
Such as:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.health.diabetes/msg/6536c39b09c22ce4
Unlike Google, however, they delete postings that break the law. The
replies to Chung's OP are still archived nonetheless.
--
David Silverman C.B.E.
aa #2208
Lord Mayor of Awphucket
And now, today's sponsor message:
For the beluga caviar of stupidity, it's got to be...
Brian Carey.
Available in a newsgroup near you.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Right.
Without the LORD, you will always be wrong (Ecclesiastes).
Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be blessed:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/BeHealthy
Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit,
Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Lawful steward of http://EmoryCardiology.com
Bondservant to the KING of kings and LORD of lords.
Sanity's Little Helper
to sci.med.cardiology:
Wrong. You claimed you didn't post anything to Tech-archive.net's
website. The fact is that you did. Knowuingly or not, it doesn't matter.
You were not in any position to claim that you didn't. I also pointed
out that your postings broke the law, because you published material
belonging to Sermo externally to their facilities, which is why they
pulled your account.
Here's the bit you dishonestly snipped in your reply:
> Ignorance is no excuse, Andy.
> Technical note:
> Anything posted to a.s.d. is automatically archived on
> Tech-archive.net's website.
> Such as:
> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.health.diabetes/msg/6536c39b09c22ce4
> Unlike Google, however, they delete postings that break the law. The
> replies to Chung's OP are still archived nonetheless.
You should try harder to act like a normal, sane person, then these
things won't happen to you.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Indeed, you will always be wrong:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/DavidSilverman
Still praying for you, however:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/PrayForDavid
Sanity's Little Helper
sci.med.cardiology:
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/PrayForDavid
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism/msg/22488102a6c0f1cc
Mark K. Bilbo
>> >> > http://HeartMDPhD.com/SermoExposed
>> >>
>> >> "(1) Nothing from Sermo has been posted to tech-archive.net by me
>> >> simply because I have not subscribed to tech-archive.net. "
>> >> BZZT! Wrong!
>> >
>> > Right.
>>
>> Wrong.
>
> Indeed,
Indeed, you will always be a pathological liar.
(Or at least until you seek treatment)
--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
------------------------------------------------------------
"Just because it's inexplicted doesn't mean it's inexplicable."
- Dr. House
Mike Mordant
> Bondservant to the KING of kings and LORD of lords.
Everyone is always wrong because Andrew B. Chung is always right.
So much for Andrew B Chung's powers of discernment.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Marsha
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/d11812c2f42bea98?
>
> <><
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Kevysmom
Could you give your opinion about mercury and heart risk?
Mercury in fish poses heart risk for middle-aged men, study says
The findings, published in a recent issue of an American Heart
Association journal, show that men with the highest levels of mercury
in their hair had a 60 percent increased risk of an acute coronary
event and a nearly 70 percent increased risk of cardiovascular death
compared with men with lower mercury levels.
Men with the highest levels of mercury in their hair, which is a
standard method of measuring mercury in the body, consumed more than
two times the amount of fish as those with the lowest levels.
The findings were based on an ongoing 14-year study by the Research
Institute of Public Health at the University of Kuopio of 1,871 men
ages 42 to 60 and free of previous heart disease or stroke.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2005/02/08/MNGL8B7E921.DTL
Thanks,
Donna
On Dec 2, 5:45 am, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/SermoExposed- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Marsha
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
> >
> > http://HeartMDPhD.com/SermoExposed
>
>> Dr Chung,
>
> Could you give your opinion about mercury and heart risk?
It is a concern. Mercury, other heavy metal contaminants, and PCBs
increase oxidative stress in our arteries. These do promote vascular
inflammation leading to accelerated atherosclerosis.
> Mercury in fish poses heart risk for middle-aged men, study says
>
> The findings, published in a recent issue of an American Heart
> Association journal, show that men with the highest levels of mercury
> in their hair had a 60 percent increased risk of an acute coronary
> event and a nearly 70 percent increased risk of cardiovascular death
> compared with men with lower mercury levels.
>
> Men with the highest levels of mercury in their hair, which is a
> standard method of measuring mercury in the body, consumed more than
> two times the amount of fish as those with the lowest levels.
>
> The findings were based on an ongoing 14-year study by the Research
> Institute of Public Health at the University of Kuopio of 1,871 men
> ages 42 to 60 and free of previous heart disease or stroke.
>
> http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2005/02/08/MNGL8B7E921.DTL
This is why we favor prescription Omega-3 preparations like Lovaza,
which has mercury and other heavy metal contaminants removed, for our
cardiac patients:
"LOVAZA uses a 5-step refinement process that helps to eliminate
worries about cholesterol, saturated and oxidized fatty acids as well
as worries about environmental toxins (that can be present in fish
oil), such as **mercury** and PCBs."
**emphasis** added.
Disclosure: No financial ties with either the makers or distributors
of Lovaza.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Donna
You are welcome, Donna :-)
Redirecting all thanks and praises to our Father in heaven so that we
will both be that much more blessed (hungrier).
"Blessed are you who hunger **now** for you will be satisfied." --
LORD Jesus Christ (Like 6:21)
Amen.
Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be blessed:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/BeBlessed
Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit,
Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Lawful steward of http://EmoryCardiology.com
Marsha
<garbage snipped>
Stop crossposting this crap to sci.med.TRANSCRIPTION, you idiot.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote::
>
>
> Stop crossposting this crap to sci.med.TRANSCRIPTION, you idiot.
Name-calling simply shows that you are lost:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/dream.asp
The brethren of LORD Jesus Christ are no longer lost...
... because we have been forgiven by GOD after surrendering:
http://www.interviewwithgod.com/forgiven/
May you wisely choose to surrender too by publicly declaring with your
mouth that "Jesus is LORD:"
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/TheWay
Marsha
Stop crossposting this crap to sci.med.transcription, you ignorant idiot.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spiritm boldly wrote:
>
> > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/87b33899fecfe91f?
>
> Stop crossposting this crap to sci.med.transcription, you ignorant idiot.
Your continued name-calling simply shows that the Holy Spirit is
absolutely right to convict you:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts
May you wisely choose to surrender by publicly declaring with your
Marsha
<yet more idiocy snippped>
Your continued crossposting shows your ignorance.
Zen Cohen
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <heart...@emorycardiology.com> wrote in message
news:5f8c293b-9ba3-4d26...@w40g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
> convicted neighbor Marsha wrote:
>> Andrew, in the Holy Shit, cowardly wrote:
>>
>> > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/87b33899fecfe91f?
>>
>> Stop crossposting this crap to sci.med.transcription, you ignorant idiot.
>
> Your continued name-calling simply shows that the Holy Spirit is
> absolutely right to convict you:
What is the biblical basis for convicting to an "eternal lake of fire" a
person who merely calls another person an ignorant idiot, especially if that
characterization is spot-on accurate?
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
> > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/87b33899fecfe91f?
>
> Your continued crossposting shows your ignorance.
May we, who are Jesus' brethren, continue to pray for you.
Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit,
Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Lawful steward of http://EmoryCardiology.com
Bondservant to the KING of kings and LORD of lords.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > convicted neighbor Marsha wrote:
> >> Andrew, in the Holy Shit, cowardly wrote:
> >>
> >> > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/87b33899fecfe91f?
> >>
> >> Stop crossposting this crap to sci.med.transcription, you ignorant idiot.
> >
> > Your continued name-calling simply shows that the Holy Spirit is
> > absolutely right to convict you:
>
> What is the biblical basis for convicting to an "eternal lake of fire" a
> person who merely calls another person an ignorant idiot
It logically follows from the fact that name-calling is lying plus the
following Biblical verse:
"But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the
sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and
**all liars**--their place will be in the fiery lake of burning sulfur.
This is the second death." (Revelation 21:8)
**emphasis** added.
The brethren of LORD Jesus Christ are neither perfect nor more
special...
... we are simply forgiven by GOD:
http://www.interviewwithgod.com/forgiven/
You truly do not have much longer, dear Zen:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/Prophecy
May we, who are Jesus' brethren, continue to pray for you:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convict/PrayForZen
Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit,
Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Lawful steward of http://EmoryCardiology.com
Bondservant to the KING of kings and LORD of lords.
Marsha
<more garbage>
Stop posting your crap to sci.med.transcription.
I can keep this up as long as you can.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
> > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/0d7449918d528317?
>
> Stop posting your crap to sci.med.transcription.
No. It remains my choice to abide by GOD's will and not yours.
> I can keep this up as long as you can.
That would be my hope for you :-)
"With man this is impossible, but with GOD all things are possible."
-- LORD Jesus Christ (Matthew 19:26)
Amen.
You do not have very much longer, dear Marsha:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/Prophecy
May you wisely choose to surrender while you still have time by
publicly declaring with your mouth that "Jesus is LORD:"
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/TheWay
Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit,
Zen Cohen
> convicted neighbor Zen Cohen wrote:
>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>> > convicted neighbor Marsha wrote:
>> >> Andrew, in the Holy Shit, cowardly wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/87b33899fecfe91f?
>> >>
>> >> Stop crossposting this crap to sci.med.transcription, you ignorant
>> >> idiot.
>> >
>> > Your continued name-calling simply shows that the Holy Spirit is
>> > absolutely right to convict you:
>>
>> > http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts
>
>> What is the biblical basis for convicting to an "eternal lake of fire" a
>> person who merely calls another person an ignorant idiot
>
> It logically follows from the fact that name-calling is lying plus the
> following Biblical verse:
>
> "But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the
> sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and
> **all liars**--their place will be in the fiery lake of burning sulfur.
> This is the second death." (Revelation 21:8)
>
> **emphasis** added.
She wasn't lying, idiot. Further it does not logically follow that
name-calling is lying if the name-calling is accurate. For example, to apply
your selection above, you're a "**cowardly**" "**vile**" "**liar**"
(emphasis added). Plus you're a self-righteous moronic lunatic, among other
things. As such, using your logic, it logically follows that you're going to
burn in a lake of fire.
And given that you have a penchant for pissing damn near everybody off, you
prolly don't have much longer.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
WaCoder
STOP POSTING TO IT IMMEDIATELY. THANK YOU.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > convicted neighbor Marsha wrote:
> >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >>
> >>> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/0d7449918d528317?
>
> >> Stop posting your crap to sci.med.transcription.
> >
> > No. It remains my choice to abide by GOD's will and not yours.
> >
> >> I can keep this up as long as you can.
> >
> > That would be my hope for you :-)
> >
> > "With man this is impossible, but with GOD all things are possible."
> > -- LORD Jesus Christ (Matthew 19:26)
> >
> > Amen.
> >
> > You do not have very much longer, dear Marsha:
> >
> > http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/Prophecy
> >
> > May you wisely choose to surrender while you still have time by
> > publicly declaring with your mouth that "Jesus is LORD:"
> >
> > http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/TheWay
>
> STOP POSTING TO IT IMMEDIATELY.
Yelling typically fails to convince anybody about anything except that
you are upset.
> THANK YOU.
Thanks be to LORD Almighty GOD, Whom I love with all my heart, soul,
mind, and strength:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/TheTruth/FAQ
May HE give you the peace that only HE can give for the sake of your
children:
http://picasaweb.google.com/juliet.nimmo/RyanAndIsaac
Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,
tr...@is-best.com
When asked:
> >> Stop posting your crap to sci.med.transcription.
Our fig lover in a hissy fit snit made a point to continue to do so.
Which of the fruits of the Spirit are the fruits of retribution of the
fig?
God bless.
Cary Kittrell
> neighbor WaCoder wrote:
> > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > convicted neighbor Marsha wrote:
> > >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/0d7449918d528317?
> >
> > >> Stop posting your crap to sci.med.transcription.
> > >
> > > No. It remains my choice to abide by GOD's will and not yours.
> > >
> > >> I can keep this up as long as you can.
> > >
> > > That would be my hope for you :-)
> > >
> > > "With man this is impossible, but with GOD all things are possible."
> > > -- LORD Jesus Christ (Matthew 19:26)
> > >
> > > Amen.
> > >
> > > You do not have very much longer, dear Marsha:
> > >
> > > http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/Prophecy
> > >
> > > May you wisely choose to surrender while you still have time by
> > > publicly declaring with your mouth that "Jesus is LORD:"
> > >
> > > http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/TheWay
> >
> > ALL POSTS MADE TO SCI.MED.TRANSCRIPTIONS ARE NOT APPRECIATED. PLEASE
> > STOP POSTING TO IT IMMEDIATELY.
>
> Yelling typically fails to convince anybody about anything except that
> you are upset.
"Yes, sir; but anger hath a privilege."
-- cary
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote::
> > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > > convicted neighbor Marsha wrote:
> > > >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/0d7449918d528317?
> > >
> > > >> Stop posting your crap to sci.med.transcription.
> > > >
> > > > No. It remains my choice to abide by GOD's will and not yours.
> > > >
> > > >> I can keep this up as long as you can.
> > > >
> > > > That would be my hope for you :-)
> > > >
> > > > "With man this is impossible, but with GOD all things are possible."
> > > > -- LORD Jesus Christ (Matthew 19:26)
> > > >
> > > > Amen.
> > > >
> > > > You do not have very much longer, dear Marsha:
> > > >
> > > > http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/Prophecy
> > > >
> > > > May you wisely choose to surrender while you still have time by
> > > > publicly declaring with your mouth that "Jesus is LORD:"
> > > >
> > > > http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/TheWay
> > >
> > > ALL POSTS MADE TO SCI.MED.TRANSCRIPTIONS ARE NOT APPRECIATED. PLEASE
> > > STOP POSTING TO IT IMMEDIATELY.
> >
> > Yelling typically fails to convince anybody about anything except that
> > you are upset.
>
> "Yes, sir; but anger hath a privilege."
Not for the discerning.
May we, who are Jesus' brethren, continue to pray for you:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/PrayForCary
Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit,
Andrew <><
Cary Kittrell
> Not for the discerning.
>
If I'm asked who was more discrening, Chung of Shakespeare,
I'm going to have to go with the guy who still gets read
400 years later, rather than the boy who gets booted after
a few weeks.
-- cary
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
If you were discerning, you would have known that a person is either
discerning or not and that there are no degrees of discernment.
Writing that someone is more discerning than another is like writing
that someone is more seeing than another. This simply reveals that
you are not discerning.
We, who are discerning, have had our hearts made discerning by the
Holy Spirit.
Laus Deo ! ! !
May we, who are discerning, continue to pray for you:
flyingrat
@e67g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>, heart...@emorycardiology.com says...
> We, who are discerning, have had our hearts made discerning by the
> Holy Spirit.
---------------------------------
| The Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD FAQ |
| Version 1.0, January, 2004 |
---------------------------------
Introduction
------------
New people arriving in sci.med.cardiology (s.m.c.) are often puzzled
and troubled by the controversy surrounding the poster who posts as Dr.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD (Dr. Chung) and want to know what the
controversy is about. This FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) attempts
to provide an answer.
The FAQ is arranged in typical FAQ form, i.e. a series of questions and
answers. For those who don¹t wish to read the whole FAQ, the following
summary is provided.
Summary
-------
Dr. Chung represents himself to be a licensed physician specializing in
cardiology. In this capacity he responds to medical questions on
s.m.c.. If that were all he did, there would probably be no
controversy.
The controversy arises from Dr. Chung¹s other behaviors on s.m.c., in
particular:
o He uses s.m.c. to not only proselytize his particular interpretation
of Christianity, but also to disparage and attack anyone with a
different interpretation or different religion.
o He uses s.m.c. to promote his unscientific Two Pound Diet (2PD) and,
in fact, cross posts this information to other groups in order to
gain more exposure.
o When challenged on the above issues, or one of his medical opinions,
he attacks his challengers as "obsessive anti-Christians",
"libelers", "homosexuals", "people who can¹t understand English",
etc.
o When challenged he performs Internet searches on his challengers in
order to "get the dirt" on them and smear their reputations.
o When challenged, he answers with evasions, non sequiturs,
dissembling, rhetorical questions, quotes from the bible, religious
mantras, thinly veiled death threats, ad hominem arguments, and other
such disreputable, unethical, and unprofessional tactics.
o He is insufferably full of himself, claiming to have "the gift of
Truth Discernment" and to be "Humble" while behaving anything but
humbly.
o He uses a foil who posts under variations of the name "Mu" to avoid
killfiles. Mu¹s job is to troll other newsgroups and, when he gets
a
reaction, to cross post the reaction to s.m.c. so that Dr. Chung can
disingenuously claim to be "only responding" to a cross post.
Whereas Dr. Chung has to be somewhat careful what he says and so
attacks primarily through insinuation and innuendo, Mu¹s tactics are
blunt and direct like those of a playground bully.
The above lists only the highlights of Dr. Chung¹s egregious behavior
on s.m.c.. If anything, it understates it. Everything can be verified
in the Google archives.
The issue then arises: so what? As long as Dr. Chung provides free
medical advice on s.m.c., who cares what else he does?
Many people provide free medical advice on the internet. How does one
know whether it is good advice or bad advice? If the person giving the
advice is, or represents himself to be, a doctor shouldn¹t that be
enough? Unfortunately, no.
Medical education alone is not enough to guarantee good advice.
Knowledge must be tempered with judgment, impartiality, integrity,
ethics, and professionalism. If someone consistently demonstrates by
their behavior that they lack these qualities, how much credence should
be given to their medical advice?
People arrive in this group looking for help. For their own
protection, they deserve to know the quality of the person purporting
to dispense that help and not be lulled into a false sense of security
simply because someone displays an MD after their name. It is the
intention of this FAQ to provide people with enough information to
allow them to make an informed decision.
List of Questions Answered
--------------------------
1. Who is Dr. Andrew B Chung, MD/PhD?
2. What is the Charter of s.m.c.?
3. Aren¹t Religious Discussions Covered by the Charter?
4. So Dr. Chung is Religious... What¹s the Problem With That?
5. But it¹s Just a Little "Tag Line" in His Signature.
6. But I¹m a Christian Too!
7. Well, Why Not Just Ignore His Religious Rants?
8. But Isn¹t It Wonderful That Dr. Chung Offers This Free
Medical Advice Out of the Goodness of His Heart?
9. How Does a Practicing Physician Find so Much Time to Spend on
Usenet?
10. Won¹t Challenging Dr. Chung Drive People Away?
11. Doesn't the "Fault" for all Those Posts Lay With Those Who
Challenge Dr. Chung?
12. Why Do I see So Many "Ad Hominem" Attacks?
13. I'm Sick of Seeing All This!
14. What is the Two Pound Diet?
15. Is Discussion of the Two Pound Diet "On Topic"?
16. Who is Mu?
17. What is Mu¹s Role?
1. Who is Dr. Andrew B Chung, MD/PhD?
--------------------------------------
The poster who posts as Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD claims to be a
licensed physician, practicing internal medicine in Atlanta, Georgia,
USA and specializing in cardiology. His signature contains a link to a
website which is consistent with his posts.
It should be noted that anyone can claim to be anyone on Usenet and so
caution is always advised. Indeed there are those who claim that the
poster in question is not Dr. Andrew B. Chung, or is not the Dr. Andrew
B. Chung listed in the Atlanta telephone directory, and/or has lost his
license and/or hospital privileges for misconduct. This FAQ does not
attempt to address those claims one way or the other. The reader with
an interest in these matters can easily find the relevant discussions
archived in Google Groups.
This FAQ deals with the poster who posts as Dr. Chung and restricts
itself to issues demonstrated by those posts. No position is taken on
his "true" identity.
2. What is the Charter of s.m.c.?
----------------------------------
The purpose of this newsgroup is to establish electronic media for
communication between health care providers, scientists and other
individuals with interest in the cardiovascular field. Such
communications will provide quick and efficacious means to exchange
information and knowledge, and offer problems to solutions.
The sci.med.cardiology newsgroup will welcome participants who are
health care providers, trainees, researchers, students or recipients
with interest in the field of cardiovascular problems."
(ftp://ftp.uu.net/usenet/news.announce.newgroups/sci/sci.med.cardiology)
3. Aren¹t Religious Discussions Covered by the Charter?
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What do you think?
4. So Dr. Chung is Religious... What¹s the Problem With That?
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There is no problem with that. Most of the people who participate in
s.m.c. are probably religious. However no one but Dr. Chung feels
compelled to characterize themselves as the "Humble Servant of God" in
their signatures, continually thank God for the opportunity to
"witness", question others about their religious beliefs, claim the
"Gift of Truth Discernment", etc.
When one person insists on introducing his personal religious
interpretations into the discussions, it naturally generates responses
from others who feel just as strongly that their viewpoints are
correct. The resulting debate easily swirls out of control, especially
given Dr. Chung¹s intolerant and dismissive attitude towards beliefs
which differ from his. The situation is further exacerbated by Mu¹s
rabble raising from the sidelines.
There are over 160 Usenet groups dedicated to the discussion of
religion. Dr. Chung should take his beliefs to one of these and stick
to cardiology in s.m.c. It is a simple matter of respect for others.
5. But it¹s Just a Little "Tag Line" in His Signature.
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No, it is not. He has even gone so far as to "investigate" someone
asking for advice about stents and accuse her of being anti-Christian.
6. But I¹m a Christian Too!
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Lots of people are Christians. There is a time and a place for
everything. s.m.c. isn¹t the place to "witness" or recruit. In
addition, lots of other people are Jews, Moslems, Buddhists,
Taoists, Hindus, etc. Would s.m.c. be better or worse if they
all emulated Dr. Chung in their proselytizing and recruiting?
Furthermore, if you are a Christian, you should be appalled by Dr.
Chung¹s pharisaical, cynical, and manipulative use of Christianity. He
is truly a "whitened sepulcher", loudly proclaiming his adherence to
Christian values while overtly lying, carrying on smear campaigns
against others, making false accusations, dissembling, and marketing
his web site under the guise of altruism. He is "bearing false
witness" and true Christians should be concerned.
As an example, when John Ritter recently died unexpectedly, Dr. Chung
rushed to use this unfortunate event to market his web site. He showed
a total lack of Christian compassion for Mr. Ritter and his family,
even when challenged to do so.
As another example, he recently choreographed a smear campaign against
a poster who had criticized him. Dr. Chung found a homosexual author
with the same first name and then insinuated that the poster and anyone
who agreed with him were engaged in a homosexual relationship. Ask
yourself if this the brand of Christianity you identify with.
7. Well, Why Not Just Ignore His Religious Rants?
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Why should one individual be given carte blanche to violate the rights
of everyone else? Usenet is a community. It is up to the community to
sanction its members. There is nothing "ad hominem" about challenging
inappropriate and antisocial behavior.
8. But Isn¹t It Wonderful That Dr. Chung Offers This Free
Medical Advice Out of the Goodness of His Heart?
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First, it is only of value if it is good advice. Medical education
alone is not enough to guarantee good advice. Knowledge must be
tempered with judgment, impartiality, integrity, ethics, and
professionalism. If someone consistently demonstrates by their
behavior that they lack these qualities, how much credence should be
given to their medical advice?
Secondly, despite his protestations to the contrary, Dr. Chung is not
simply motivated by altruism. Every post of Dr. Chung's contains a
link to a website with the following quote:
"If you are looking for a cardiologist and reside in Georgia,
please consider me your best option for a personal heart advocate.
Check out my credentials and my background. Additional information
is available in the protected sections of this web site. Email me at
cardiolog...@heartmdphd.com to me of your interest and I may send
you a temporary username and password to allow a preview. The more
information you email, the more likely my decision to send you a
temporary username and password. If you like what you see and learn
from this website and wish to confer with me about your heart, you
or your doctor should email me privately or call my voicemail at
404-699-2780 to schedule an appointment to see me at my *real*
office."
(http://www.heartmdphd.com/office.asp)
Thirdly, Dr. Chung has repeatedly stated that one of his key
motivations for participating is s.m.c. is to "witness" and win
converts to his religious beliefs.
9. How Does a Practicing Physician Find so Much Time to Spend on
Usenet?
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An interesting question.
10. Won¹t Challenging Dr. Chung Drive People Away?
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Perhaps. But not challenging him will drive others away.
s.m.c. is historically a "low traffic" group. Therefore, when Dr. Chung
misbehaves, he generates an apparently large response. This is
compounded by Dr. Chung¹s need to "get in the last word" and Mu¹s
provocations. In spite of this, if someone has a question it will
usually be answered.
Dr. Chung is not the only participant who offers advice in s.m.c. He
is not even the only doctor who participates in s.m.c. However, the
controversy he generates and sustains often makes it appear that he is
the "only game in town".
Finally, Dr. Chung himself drives others away including other
physicians who leave in disgust after being verbally assaulted by him,
and other knowledgeable posters who point out where Dr. Chung¹s medical
opinion might be in error or at least not the only one generally held.
Anyone disagreeing with Dr. Chung on any subject can expect a series of
increasingly vitriolic attacks, including threats of libel suits.
11. Doesn't the "Fault" for all Those Posts Lay With Those Who
Challenge Dr. Chung?
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An interesting perspective: blame the victim. No other poster
(with the exception of Mu, of course) introduces religion or
the Two Pound Diet. How can it be acceptable for Dr. Chung
to introduce these topics, but not acceptable for others to
respond?
In any thread, someone must, of necessity "get the last word".
Dr. Chung has amply demonstrated that he will not be outdone
in this respect.
12. Why Do I see So Many "Ad Hominem" Attacks?
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You are probably referring to an "Ad Hominem" _argument_, which
attempts to disprove an adversary's fact by personal attack on
the adversary. An example would be "You are opposed to the
Two Pound Diet because you are anti-Christian".
When someone misbehaves, for example lies or distorts what
someone else is saying, it is not an "ad hominem attack" to
call them on it. It is a legitimate social sanction.
There are also, unfortunately too often, simple personal
attacks and insults on both sides. While we can all wish
it weren't so, it is simply human nature when an argument
becomes heated or the other person is obviously not arguing
in good faith. If you are distressed by this, see the next
question.
13. I'm Sick of Seeing All This!
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There is no reason why you have to see it. Just as you can
change the TV channel if you don't like a show, you can killfile
a poster or thread you don't want to see. See the manual
that came with your Usenet reader for directions on how to do it.
Before you do this, however, you may wish to consider if a truer
picture of the world is not gained by seeing all that goes on -
both the good and the bad.
14. What is the Two Pound Diet?
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The Two pound Diet is a diet which Dr. Chung "invented". It¹s only
rule is to restrict yourself to two pounds of food per day. That¹s it.
Doesn¹t matter if you are a 16 year old girl or an 80 year old man; a
5¹ 2" woman or a 7¹ man; a weight lifter or a mattress tester. Two
pounds. That¹s it. No more, less if you want. One size fits all.
Oh, and the food? Whatever you want: two pounds of lettuce, two pounds
of ice cream, two pounds of celery, two pounds of bacon, two pounds of
chocolate, two pounds of peanuts... doesn¹t matter. Mix and match.
Just keep it under two pounds.
Dr. Chung¹s claim is that this magical weight of food, this universal
gustatory constant will cause everyone to arrive at and maintain their
ideal weight. His scientific basis for this claim: none. The proof he
offers: none. Studies supporting this claim: none. Nutritional
explanation: none. Metabolic explanation: none.
And this from a doctor who expects people to take him seriously on
other issues.
15. Is Discussion of the Two Pound Diet "On Topic"?
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Dr. Chung says it is because being overweight is a risk factor for
heart problems and therefore discussion of the Two Pound Diet is On
Topic. However criticism of the Two Pound Diet is Off Topic as is
discussion of any other diet.
As with religion, Dr. Chung takes every opportunity to introduce the
Two Pound Diet (2PD) into any other thread. In addition Mu trolls
other newsgroups, particularly the diet groups looking for
opportunities to introduce the 2PD in these groups and then cross post
the resulting discussion back to s.m.c so that Dr. Chung can
disingenuously claim to be "only responding" to a cross post.
Since Dr. Chung and Mu have been laughed off of these other groups and
have been asked repeatedly not to bring up the 2PD in them,
participants of these groups are understandably angered when it happens
yet again=3F and, because of Mu¹s cross-posting, all their anger spills
back into s.m.c.
Another reason for ongoing 2PD discussions is Dr. Chung¹s habit of
researching anyone who criticizes the 2PD and then cross-posting his
responses back to other groups which the critic has been found to
frequent. He disingenuously claims that he does this as a
"convenience" to the critic, but his true reasons are transparent.
Once again, the cross-post generates a firestorm in s.m.c.
The bottom line is that if the Two Pound Diet is "On Topic" for
anyone, it is "On Topic" for everyone... including it's critics.
If it is "Off Topic", it should not be continually re-introduced
by Dr. Chung.
16. Who is Mu?
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Mu is a longtime Usenet Troll who has even merited his own FAQ. He
postures as some kind of personal physical trainer, but who really
knows? He has allied himself with Dr. Chung and serves as the "Bad Cop"
in the Chung-Mu "Good Cop - Bad Cop" routine. He specializes in the
short, nasty one-liner and, because, unlike Dr. Chung, he has no
reputation to protect, he can afford to be much more direct and
offensive.
Mu parrots an even meaner-spirited version of Dr. Chung¹s
"Christianity" and does not hesitate to employ anti-Semitism and
homophobia in his attacks.
Naturally, most people would have long ago killfiled Mu, so he changes
his handle on an almost daily basis.
17. What is Mu¹s Role?
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Mu¹s role is to troll other newsgroups and, when he gets a reaction, to
cross post the reaction to s.m.c. so that Dr. Chung can disingenuously
claim to be "only responding" to a cross post.
Mu is also responsible for pitching softballs to Dr. Chung so he can
hit them out of the park, and for re-introducing religion and the Two
Pound Diet should the discussion flag.
Finally, Mu¹s role is to tirelessly wear down unsuspecting Dr. Chung
critics, deflecting the blows that would otherwise be aimed at Dr.
Chung. He is Dr. Chung¹s Internet equivalent of the "rope-a-dope".
Insults roll off him like water off a duck as do attempts to reason
with him or even have a civil discussion.
Most people have learned to ignore him and his comment is usually the
last one in any thread sub-tree where it appears.
Comments and/or corrections to this FAQ will be taken under advisement.
Marsha
care is going downhill.
Chung the Moron, pseudoMD wrote more garbage:
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Mark K. Bilbo
> ALL POSTS MADE TO SCI.MED.TRANSCRIPTIONS ARE NOT APPRECIATED. PLEASE
> STOP POSTING TO IT IMMEDIATELY. THANK YOU.
Oh *now* you've done it. If you ignored Chung, he might wander away but
getting his attention means he'll move in permanently. Happened to my
"home" newsgroup. He parked his screed and has been dragging threads into
it for *years* now...
--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
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“Whenever you hear a man speak of his love for his
country, it is a sign that he expects to be paid for it.”
- H. L. Mencken