Eat less --> Lose VAT --> Cure Type-2 Diabetes.

[Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD]

"These data indicate that 6 months after LGBS there were significant improvements in many cardiovascular and metabolic risk markers. However, VAT reduction was most strongly associated with reductions in insulin resistance. Body weight loss was not associated with markers of improved insulin sensitivity."

Source:

http://www.springerlink.com/content/f6u81079v2172ju2/

Instead of being forced by surgery (LGBS or Laparoscopic Gastric Banding Surgery) to eat eat less, it remains smarter to freely choose to eat less, down to the right amount in order to lose the VAT (Visceral Adipose Tissue) and possibly cure the type-2 diabetes.

http://HeartMDPhD.com/BeSmart

May dear neighbors, friends, and brethren have a blessedly wonderful 2008th year since the birth of our LORD Jesus Christ as our Messiah, the Son of Man ...

.. by being hungrier:

http://TruthRUS.org/KnowingGOD

Hunger is wonderful:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Hunger

It's how we know what GOD desires, which is all that is good.

Yes, hunger is our knowledge of good versus evil that Adam and Eve paid for with their and our immortal lives.

Those who suffer from the powerful delusion predicted by the prophecy of 2 Thessalonians 2:9-11 would deny this and perish ( gone !!! ) forever ...

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/CrazyOne

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/CrazyTwo

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/CrazyThree

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/CrazyFour

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/Bob

.. gone:

http://YouTube.com/watch?v=Qb6d_z5C35E

Such will be the demise of all those who refuse to know **and** love the truth, Who is LORD Jesus Christ:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love/TheTruth

"Blessed are you who hunger NOW...

.. for you will be satisfied." -- LORD Jesus Christ (Luke 6:21)

Amen.

Here is a Spirit-guided exegesis of Luke 6:21...

http://TruthRUS.org/HolySpirit/Luke6_21

May all souls choose to become healthier:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/BeHealthy

Here is a simple parable given in hopes of promoting much greater understanding:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Parable

Be hungrier, which is healthier:

http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/BeHealthier

Marana tha

Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit,

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Lawful steward of http://EmoryCardiology.com
A latter-day disciple of the KING of kings and LORD of lords.
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/DiscipleNow

[top...@otr.com]

""These data indicate that 6 months after LGBS there were significant

improvemen ts in many cardiovascular and metabolic risk markers. However,
VAT reduction wa s most strongly associated with reductions in insulin
resistance. Body weight l oss was not associated with markers of improved
insulin sensitivity."

Source:

http://www.springerlink.com/content/f6u81079v2172ju2/"

Of interest also from the above:

"increases in ghrelin and GLP-1"

Other approaches wich use variations in bypass find almost instant results
in improving diabetic symptoms because of the glp-1 increases they
provide. This is long before significant weight loss occurs, as in this
study after weight loss of 6 months duration.

Diabetics who use non-surgery methods to lose weight into the normal range
can also often find that symptoms are reversed to one extent or another.
But there is no cure as the underlying disorder remains as standard test
quickly show. Loss of excess vat into normal ranges does not cure it
either but can aid in various of the symptoms.

The subject line does not serve the cause of diabetes treatment as it is
excessive in its claims and does not conform to existing evidence.

Weight loss alone is but a part of proven clinical treatment. Exercise
and careful attention to nutritional intake are equally important.

[Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD]

top...@otr.com wrote:
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
> > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/4ece2f889ab19a59?

>
> Of interest also from the above:
>
> "increases in ghrelin and GLP-1"
>
> Other approaches wich use variations in bypass find almost instant results
> in improving diabetic symptoms because of the glp-1 increases they
> provide. This is long before significant weight loss occurs, as in this
> study after weight loss of 6 months duration.
>
> Diabetics who use non-surgery methods to lose weight into the normal range
> can also often find that symptoms are reversed to one extent or another.
> But there is no cure as the underlying disorder remains as standard test
> quickly show. Loss of excess vat into normal ranges does not cure it
> either but can aid in various of the symptoms.

No longer needing medications to achieve glycemic control remains an
accepted medical definition of type-2 diabetes being cured.

The latter does happen when folks freely choose to eat less, down to
the right amount (2PD-OMER Approach), thereby losing all their VAT:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/3558812d72ab4e17?

<><

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/117245343707310e?

[top...@otr.com]

http://www.springerlink.com/content/f6u81079v2172ju2/"

Of interest also from the above:

"increases in ghrelin and GLP-1"

Other approaches wich use variations in bypass find almost instant results
in improving diabetic symptoms because of the glp-1 increases they
provide. This is long before significant weight loss occurs, as in this
study after weight loss of 6 months duration.

Diabetics who use non-surgery methods to lose weight into the normal range
can also often find that symptoms are reversed to one extent or another.
But there is no cure as the underlying disorder remains as standard test
quickly show. Loss of excess vat into normal ranges does not cure it
either but can aid in various of the symptoms.

The subject line does not serve the cause of diabetes treatment as it is

excessive in its claims and does not conform to existing evidence.

Weight loss alone is but a part of proven clinical treatment. Exercise
and careful attention to nutritional intake are equally important.

The original poster then responded:

No longer needing medications to achieve glycemic control remains an
accepted medical definition of type-2 diabetes being cured.

I regret to say this is not the case. There are many diabetics with
controled symptoms who use no medication. The diagnosis of diabetes is
not symptoms alone but in the absolute clinical sense by one of a few
glucose challenge tests.

At diagnosis at least 50 percent of beta cell mass is absent and even with
normal weight and controlled symptoms otherwise loss continues in the long
term. This is not replaced even with almost complete lack of general
symptoms and the glucose test will show that diabetes persists clinically.

[Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD]

top...@otr.com wrote:
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote
>

> > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/3d19c779bc5fc6c5?

> >
> > No longer needing medications to achieve glycemic control remains an
> > accepted medical definition of type-2 diabetes being cured.
> >
> I regret to say this is not the case.

You have no "say" in this.

Stem cell investigators would tout a cure as soon as they help a
type-1 diabetic come off his/her needing exogenous insulin injections.

Similarly bariatic surgeons are not being censured for concluding from
their lap-banding data that they are achieving cures for their type-2
diabetic patients when these patients no longer require medications
for glycemic control.

<><

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/3558812d72ab4e17?

[top...@otr.com]

http://www.springerlink.com/content/f6u81079v2172ju2/"

Of interest also from the above:

"increases in ghrelin and GLP-1"

Other approaches wich use variations in bypass find almost instant results
in improving diabetic symptoms because of the glp-1 increases they
provide. This is long before significant weight loss occurs, as in this
study after weight loss of 6 months duration.

Diabetics who use non-surgery methods to lose weight into the normal range
can also often find that symptoms are reversed to one extent or another.
But there is no cure as the underlying disorder remains as standard test
quickly show. Loss of excess vat into normal ranges does not cure it
either but can aid in various of the symptoms.

The subject line does not serve the cause of diabetes treatment as it is
excessive in its claims and does not conform to existing evidence.

Weight loss alone is but a part of proven clinical treatment. Exercise
and careful attention to nutritional intake are equally important.
The original poster then responded:

No longer needing medications to achieve glycemic control remains an

accepted medical definition of type-2 diabetes being cured.

I regret to say this is not the case. There are many diabetics with

controled symptoms who use no medication. The diagnosis of diabetes is
not symptoms alone but in the absolute clinical sense by one of a few
glucose challenge tests.

At diagnosis at least 50 percent of beta cell mass is absent and even with
normal weight and controlled symptoms otherwise loss continues in the long
term. This is not replaced even with almost complete lack of general
symptoms and the glucose test will show that diabetes persists clinically.

The original poster then responded:

You have no "say" in this.

Stem cell investigators would tout a cure as soon as they help a
type-1 diabetic come off his/her needing exogenous insulin injections.

Similarly bariatic surgeons are not being censured for concluding from
their lap-banding data that they are achieving cures for their type-2
diabetic patients when these patients no longer require medications
for glycemic control.

Sorry, I must

I must once again regretfully say this is not the case and the subjectline
overstates and misleads as to clinical reality and great caution is thus
justified in considering it.

It is not I but the glucose tests which show clinical diabetes even after
weight loss and good control. It is difficult to see how the stem cell
example is relevant. If beta cells were to replace those missing and a
core part of the clinical diabetes then a cure might be at hand.

The surgery example and the examples where "cure" wereused merely were
rhetoric pointing to good control and symptoms being reversed without aid
of medication. In one example where the glucose testing was done the
clinical measure of diabetes remained even as symptoms were reversed.
Most do not do the test so claims of "cure" do not apply.

[Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD]

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/9967165e81c35b82?

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/b347904c66510696?

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/96cd87ab65439364?

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/892839bef26f4ae8?

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/ac585affcdd61b03?

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/ceddc1d12703e034?

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/59de2760f201db97?

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/1388e04acb9557cf?

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/59b6450ecd2f2fa2?

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/32b32ce46a96ebeb?

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/f12721a3159f5ca0?

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/05d3c62fd0b57c19?

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/82fc5eab336d5ffd?

<><

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/3558812d72ab4e17?

[Cary Kittrell]

Looks like the sorcerer's apprentice has been playing with the
Chung Rand'o'matic URL Generator [pat. pend.] again...

--

[Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD]

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/a88f3caf4697e3e7?

<><

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/3558812d72ab4e17?

[top...@otr.com]

[Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD]

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/1537b044de64217e?

<><

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/3558812d72ab4e17?

[top...@otr.com]

[Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD]

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/00429f2023bfa456?

<><

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/3558812d72ab4e17?

[top...@otr.com]

http://www.springerlink.com/content/f6u81079v2172ju2/"

Sorry, I must

./.

[I M Portant]

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/00429f2023bfa456?
>
> <><
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/3558812d72ab4e17?

[Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD]

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/9d9c56ab5ec4294f?

<><

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/f43db72a7c5c1da0?

[I M Portant]

top...@otr.com wrote:
> http://www.springerlink.com/content/f6u81079v2172ju2/"
>
> Of interest also from the above:
>
> "increases in ghrelin and GLP-1"

Nice to see that there are those in this group who do not resort to
citing scriptures and repeating mantras and being an ostrich.

[Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD]

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/9c5c55fcace06864?

<><

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/f43db72a7c5c1da0?

[I M Portant]

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:

> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/9c5c55fcace06864?
>
> <><
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/f43db72a7c5c1da0?

Hmmm .. on one hand we got a relevant response and on the other hand we
get another Ostrich Response like this from Chung.

Do we know for sure that Chung really has an MD and a PhD?

[Cary Kittrell]

Yes.

He showed some promise, at one time.

You see what became of that.

-- cary

[Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD]

convicted neighbor Cary Kittrell wrote:
> satan via a sockpuppet (corporeal demon) despairingly posted:

> > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
> > > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/9c5c55fcace06864?
> > >
> > > <><
> > >
> > > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/f43db72a7c5c1da0?
> >
> > Hmmm .. on one hand we got a relevant response and on the other hand we
> > get another Ostrich Response like this from Chung.
> >
> > Do we know for sure that Chung really has an MD and a PhD?
>
> Yes.

Correct.

Laus Deo :-)

May you and other dear neighbors, friends, and brethren have a

blessedly wonderful 2008th year since the birth of our LORD Jesus
Christ as our Messiah, the Son of Man ...

... by being hungrier:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/f891e617d10bd689?

Hunger is wonderful ! ! !

It's how we know the answer to the question "What does Jesus
want?" (WDJW):

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/f43db72a7c5c1da0?

Yes, hunger is our knowledge of good versus evil that Adam and Eve
paid for with their and our immortal lives.

"Blessed are you who hunger NOW...

... for you will be satisfied." -- LORD Jesus Christ (Luke 6:21)

Amen.

Here is a Spirit-guided exegesis of Luke 6:21 given in hopes of
promoting much greater understanding:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/cc2aa8f8a4d41360?

Be hungrier, which is healthier.

Marana tha

Prayerfully in the awesome name of our Messiah, LORD Jesus Christ,

Andrew <><
--
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/4128be9f9918d825?