Re: Hello God
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Mark T wrote:
> > Some problems with this "prayer" ....
>
> Hey Grumpy,
> Don't you have six little friends to annoy? :)
Unlikely. The only friend of the loveless are themselves and even that
is debatable.
GOD's love quenches the unquenchable thirst of the soul (John 4:14).
Man's love doesn't (John 4:13 and 17).
May GOD continue to heal our hearts by filling our hearts with HIS
love, dear sister Claudia whom I love unconditionally.
Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung
Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit
As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the
unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies
(Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17).
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/d3b7b57d0fbf89ed?
Kurt Gavin
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <nos...@heartmdphd.com> wrote in message
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> Claudia wrote:
>> Mark T wrote:
>> > Some problems with this "prayer" ....
>>
>> Hey Grumpy,
>> Don't you have six little friends to annoy? :)
>
> Unlikely. The only friend of the loveless are themselves and even that
> is debatable.
>
> GOD's love quenches the unquenchable thirst of the soul (John 4:14).
Good examples of your imaginery god's love: smallpox; influenzas; birth
defects; people with OCD spamming newsgroups with endless rubbish (that's
YOU Andrew).
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
This is not spam.
Sorry what the Holy Spirit has guided me to write bothers you so
terribly.
Please forgive all my iniquities.
May GOD continue to keep your heart beating, dear neighbor Kurt whom I
Kurt Gavin
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <nos...@heartmdphd.com> wrote in message
>> Good examples of your imaginery god's love: smallpox; influenzas; birth
>> defects; people with OCD spamming newsgroups with endless rubbish (that's
>> YOU Andrew).
>
> This is not spam.
LOL. Like hell it isn't. You spam religious messages. Dumb trite ones.
You do it after people repeatedly request you to stop it in non-religious
groups.
> Sorry what the Holy Spirit has guided me to write bothers you so
> terribly.
There's no holy anything making you do it.
You just do it out of selfishness so you can feel important.
You really don't care about other people. You obviously don't convert anyone
with this tripe you post repetiously.
If anything, you confirm to many doubters, the worthlessness and danger to
intellect, of this christian garbage.
> Please forgive all my iniquities.
Don't apologize to me.
Apologize to your family and your professors for the failure you have
become.
I can't imagine the disappointment your wife and parents must feel.
Your professors probably feel dismay and contempt.
> May GOD continue to keep your heart beating,
Your imaginery god doesn't do crap for anybody.
If he did he would have a hard time explaining giving Hitler and Stalin long
lives, while he painfully kills so many innocents at an early age.
You're just too much of a moral coward to deal with reality.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <nos...@heartmdphd.com> wrote in message
>
> >> Good examples of your imaginery god's love: smallpox; influenzas; birth
> >> defects; people with OCD spamming newsgroups with endless rubbish (that's
> >> YOU Andrew).
> >
> > This is not spam.
>
> LOL.
"Written laughter is silent despair." -- Holy Spirit
Kurt Gavin
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <nosp...@heartmdphd.com> wrote in message
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Chinese Water Torturer
> >> "Andrew B. Chung <nos...@heartmdphd.com> wrote in message
> > "Written laughter is silent despair." -- Holy Spirit
Where EXACTLY did this quote come from? Give direct attribution, please.
Demon Lord of Confusion
confuse the issue further by squeaking:
<googles it up> He made it himself...
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You're so fucking scared you've built up this whole sick mythology about
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are. Those who want to remain anonymous do so. There is absolutely no
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that only gets turned on for big-time terrorists. That's because I chose
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Mark T
> Good examples of your imaginery god's love: smallpox; influenzas; birth
> defects; people with OCD spamming newsgroups with endless rubbish
"In every thing give thanks: for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus
concerning you." -- 1 Thessalonians 5:18
Thank you Jesus for ....
AIDS and HIV
Amebiasis
*Anthrax
*Botulism
*Brucellosis
Campylobacter enteritis
Chancroid
Chickenpox (Varicella)
Chlamydia trachomatis infections
Cholera
*Cryptosposidiosis
*Cyclosporiasis
Cytomegalovirus infection, congential
*Diphtheria
*Encephaltis, including
i. Primary, viral (including WNV)
ii. Post-infectious
iii. Vaccine-related
iv. Subacute sclerosing panencephalitis
v. Unspecified
*Food poisoning, all causes
*Gastroenteritis, institutional outbreaks & Norwalk virus
*Giardiasis, except asymptomatic cases
Gonorrhea
*Haemophilus influenzae b disease, invasive
*Hantavirus Pulmonary Syndrome
*Hemorrhagic fevers, including: *Ebola Virus, *Marburg Virus Disease, *Lassa
Fever, *other viral causes
Hepatitis, viral
i. *Hepatitis A
ii. Hepatitis B
iii. Hepatitis C
Hepatitis D (Delta hepatitis)
Herpes, neonatal
Influenza
*Legionellosis
Leprosy
*Listeriosis
Lyme Disease
Malaria
*Measles
*Meningitis, acute
i. *bacterial
ii. viral
iii. other
*Meningococcal disease, invasive
Mumps
Ophthalmia neonatorum
Paratyphoid Fever
Pertussis (Whooping Cough)
*Plague
*Poliomyelitis, acute
Psittacosis/Ornithosis
*Q Fever
*Rabies
*Respiratory infection outbreaks in institutions
Rubella
Rubella, congential syndrome
Salmonellosis
*Shigellosis
*Smallpox
Streptococcus pneumoniae, invasive
*Streptococcal infections, invasive Group A
*Streptococcal infections, Group Bneonatal
Syphilis
Tetanus
Trichinosis
Tuberculosis
*Tularemia
Typhoid Fever
*Verotoxin-producing E. coli infection indicator conditions including
Hemolytic Uremic Syndrome (HUS)
*Yellow Fever
Yersiniosis
Kurt Gavin
"Chinese Water Torturer" <chungism...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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It came from Chung's dementia.
He just makes stuff up and attributes it to god, as though supernatural
beings are operating and speaking to the world through him.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
It saddens me to see that you have been afflicted with all these
infections.
What saddens me even more is that you would rather continue getting
these infections than to receive GOD's blessings and salvation through
faith in LORD Jesus Christ.
May GOD continue to keep your heart beating, dear neighbor Mark whom I
Michelle Malkin
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other types of pemphigus to this list. And,
lupus, rheumatoid arthritis, osteoporosis,
sinusitis, bronchitis, shingles, painful and
itchy rashes and all kinds of allergies (some
of which are life threatening).
^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^
Michelle Malkin (Mickey) aa list#1
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^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^
bob young
Hello Andrew
bob young
Kurt Gavin wrote:
Prophets and Preachers
Charlatans or lunatics
Anyone claiming to speak for a god
having been instructed by that imaginary god
is a charlatan and a liar
Mark T
> It saddens me to see that you have been afflicted with all these
> infections.
No, Noah and his family were soi that they could be passed down to us.
> What saddens me even more is that you would rather continue getting
> these infections
Nope!
How many AIDS victims has Jesus healed?
My brother, Dr Brett Tindall, who was a Researcher with the Sydney AIDS team
died of AIDS related diease in 1994.
--
"We're Christians! We're not supposed to think!" Fanny Wype (Nudist Colony
Of The Dead)
"All things are probable. Try to believe." - Mark 17:1
"Really! Try to believe even if it's bloody stupid and irrational." - Mark
17:2
"Why? Because I said so, that's why! Don't ask questions. Just
believe." - Mark 17:3
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew wrote:
>
> > It saddens me to see that you have been afflicted with all these
> > infections.
>
> No, Noah and his family were soi that they could be passed down to us.
Then you should thank GOD for each disease on your list that you have
not contracted.
You owe him a lot of thanks especially if you add all the additional
suggested diseases from Michelle Malkin.
> > What saddens me even more is that you would rather continue getting
> > these infections
>
> Nope!
Then you would be wise to thank GOD before HE decides to remove HIS
hedge of protection around you so that you would start experiencing all
of them perhaps at the same time because we know from the Book of Job
that satan would like nothing better than to get at you with all these
pathogens.
> How many AIDS victims has Jesus healed?
It is written that if everything that Jesus has done were written down,
there would not be enough space on this planet for all the books that
would be required.
> My brother, Dr Brett Tindall, who was a Researcher with the Sydney
AIDS team
> died of AIDS related diease in 1994.
GOD had decided that would be the time HE would retire Brett from
working in this world.
Again, you have my condolences for your loss.
Moreover, may GOD have mercy on Brett's soul on HIS Day of Judgment,
saving him by granting him eternal life, in Jesus' most precious and
holy name.
If you choose, for the love of your brother Brett, to place your faith
in LORD Jesus Christ and receive GOD's love into your heart, not only
will you be given eternal life but you will also see your brother Brett
again.
May GOD heal your heart, dear neighbor Mark whom I love
unconditionally.
Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung
Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit
As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the
unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies
(Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17).
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/d3b7b57d0fbf89ed?
>
Mark T
>> > It saddens me to see that you have been afflicted with all these
>> > infections.
>>
>> No, Noah and his family were so that they could be passed down to us.
>
> Then you should thank GOD for each disease on your list that you have
> not contracted.
In Genesis it says that God made everything and it was good. Are those
diseases good or is the Bible wrong?
>> How many AIDS victims has Jesus healed?
>
> It is written that if everything that Jesus has done were written down,
> there would not be enough space on this planet for all the books that
> would be required.
Just one example in the worldwide medical literature would be enough.
Oh ... as I thought, Jesus has healed NONE! None of the innocent victims
through needlestick or blood transfusions ... including babies ... NONE!
Why is that?????
> If you choose, for the love of your brother Brett, to place your faith
> in LORD Jesus Christ and receive GOD's love into your heart, not only
> will you be given eternal life but you will also see your brother Brett
> again.
I trust the One God (Yahweh) rather than a dead Jew.
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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew wrote:
>
> >> > It saddens me to see that you have been afflicted with all these
> >> > infections.
> >>
> >> No, Noah and his family were so that they could be passed down to us.
> >
> > Then you should thank GOD for each disease on your list that you have
> > not contracted.
>
> In Genesis it says that God made everything and it was good. Are those
> diseases good or is the Bible wrong?
Neither.
Your interpretation of Scripture is wrong.
Interpretation without the counsel of the Holy Spirit is typically
wrong.
> >> How many AIDS victims has Jesus healed?
> >
> > It is written that if everything that Jesus has done were written down,
> > there would not be enough space on this planet for all the books that
> > would be required.
>
> Just one example in the worldwide medical literature would be enough.
You have been given this already.
> Oh ... as I thought, Jesus has healed NONE! None of the innocent victims
> through needlestick or blood transfusions ... including babies ... NONE!
> Why is that?????
Your retrograde amnesia suggests that you may be suffering from OBS
(could be from CJD).
> > If you choose, for the love of your brother Brett, to place your faith
> > in LORD Jesus Christ and receive GOD's love into your heart, not only
> > will you be given eternal life but you will also see your brother Brett
> > again.
>
> I trust the One God (Yahweh) rather than a dead Jew.
John 3:16 (For the love of your brother Brett... assuming you love
him)
May GOD continue to heal your heart, dear neighbor Mark whom I love
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew wrote:
>
> >May GOD continue to heal your heart, dear neighbor Mark whom
>
Sorry my praying for Mark bothers you so terribly.
Please forgive all my iniquities.
May GOD continue to keep your heart beating, dear neighbor Randy whom I
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew wrote:
>
> >I love
> >unconditionally.
>
><false interpretation of Scripture and advertisement snipped>
Sorry my unconditional love for you bothers you so terribly.
Please forgive all my iniquities.
May GOD continue to heal your heart, dear neighbor Randy whom I love
John
You seem to be asking believers in God to blame Him for creating the
above. Well, I would like to ask you athiests whom you would blame
for creating these things? Obviously, you can't be blaming God since
you don't believe in Him. So, who did it? Are you mad at that
entity? Darwin?
Blessings,
John
Claudia
John wrote:
> You seem to be asking believers in God to blame Him for creating the
> above. Well, I would like to ask you athiests whom you would blame
> for creating these things? Obviously, you can't be blaming God since
> you don't believe in Him. So, who did it? Are you mad at that
> entity? Darwin?
>
> Blessings,
> John
That's Holy Spirit material!!!!
Thanks be to God!
Kurt Gavin
"John" <john9...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 4 Sep 2006 08:55:26 +1000, "Mark T"
> <wh@9874974678769873678796> wrote:
>
>>"Kurt Gavin" wrote:
>>
>>> Good examples of your imaginery god's love: smallpox; influenzas; birth
>>> defects; people with OCD spamming newsgroups with endless rubbish
>
> You seem to be asking believers in God to blame Him for creating the
> above. Well, I would like to ask you athiests whom you would blame
> for creating these things? Obviously, you can't be blaming God since
> you don't believe in Him. So, who did it? Are you mad at that
> entity? Darwin?
>
> Blessings,
> John
The point is, the diseases are naturally occurring and there are no
supernatural beings to blame for them.
The christian fantasy is that there is an all powerful, all good god that
created all these problems.
For thousands of years people have been pointing out that an all good god
wouldn't create all these hellish problems.
Instead of accepting this logic, christians create all sorts of absurd lies
and mis-logic to work around it, so that they can preserve their fantasy.
Jason
Christianity, that God created everything, but that God is all good at the
same time. If he's all good, then why would he create such horrific
things...point made.
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::: veralein :::
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD <nosp...@heartmdphd.com> typed:
I am so sorry that your unconditional love for me and others who want to
block you does not include any respect for our free will not to be
bothered by your heresies. I have blocked nine of your addies so far,
and you turn up with new ones again and again... That has nothing to do
with love at all, it is just selfishly forcing your spam onto others.
Very sad, really...
and off you go with this tenth addy, too. It takes my time - time that I
could use for better things.
I only hope that people do not think that disrespecting others is the
Christian way of loving their neighbours or enemies.
::: vera :::
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John
<jason....@nf.sympatico.ca> wrote:
>Simply put, Kurt Gavin is pointing out one of the many contradictions of
>Christianity, that God created everything, but that God is all good at the
>same time. If he's all good, then why would he create such horrific
>things...point made.
Very sophomoric.
So just because you atheists fail to see the good in something, it
must therefore be bad. Does that also apply to "lions and tigers and
bears, oh my!"? Death itself? War? Oh, but wait, man does that,
doesn't he?
Or, just because something exists that you don't like, doesn't make it
evil. It just is. Because God made it that way doesn't make it evil,
or Him not all good simply because you are unable to fathom the good.
Did you ever read or see "War of the Worlds"?
When you get to Heaven you can always ask God about it. Oh wait, you
wouldn't be going there, would you? Well, I'll ask for you and shout
it down to you.
Blessings,
John
Free Lunch
John <john9...@aol.com> wrote in
<0gpof21b121i823an...@4ax.com>:
>On Mon, 04 Sep 2006 16:41:29 GMT, "Jason"
><jason....@nf.sympatico.ca> wrote:
>
>>Simply put, Kurt Gavin is pointing out one of the many contradictions of
>>Christianity, that God created everything, but that God is all good at the
>>same time. If he's all good, then why would he create such horrific
>>things...point made.
>
>Very sophomoric.
>
>So just because you atheists fail to see the good in something, it
>must therefore be bad. Does that also apply to "lions and tigers and
>bears, oh my!"? Death itself? War? Oh, but wait, man does that,
>doesn't he?
>
>Or, just because something exists that you don't like, doesn't make it
>evil. It just is. Because God made it that way doesn't make it evil,
>or Him not all good simply because you are unable to fathom the good.
>
>Did you ever read or see "War of the Worlds"?
>
>When you get to Heaven you can always ask God about it. Oh wait, you
>wouldn't be going there, would you? Well, I'll ask for you and shout
>it down to you.
What a nice smug lie. Really, you have no reason to think that you will
be going to heaven. None.
>Blessings,
>John
Son of Discord
>On Mon, 4 Sep 2006 08:55:26 +1000, "Mark T"
><wh@9874974678769873678796> wrote:
>
>>"Kurt Gavin" wrote:
>>
>>> Good examples of your imaginery god's love: smallpox; influenzas; birth
>>> defects; people with OCD spamming newsgroups with endless rubbish
>>
>>
>>"In every thing give thanks: for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus
>>concerning you." -- 1 Thessalonians 5:18
>>
>>
>>Thank you Jesus for ....
>>
<snip extensive list of diseases>
>
>You seem to be asking believers in God to blame Him for creating the
>above. Well, I would like to ask you athiests whom you would blame
>for creating these things?
<snip>
Are you really this stupid? Atheists don't "blame" *ANY* supernatural
entity for the existence of these diseases, you prat. They occur
naturally -- there is no sentient being to "blame".
But, here -- I'll break up the point he was trying to make into small
chunks and spoon-feed it to you. Ready?
The point is that, Christians worship this god-thingumy -- which
supposedly created the whole universe and everything in it (being
omnipotent), right?
And this god-thingumy is supposedly benevolent (meaning "good",
basically) on a grand scale. Getting this so far?
And this god-thingumy is also "all-knowing" -- so he *knew* what he
was doing when he made everything, and did it exactly the way he
wanted it done. Right?
So then it follows that your deity is also responsible for all the
diseases listed. And since you god-thingumy is all knowing, he
couldn't have made a mistake. And since your god-thingumy is
all-powerful, he could abolish them at a whim -- so he mustn't want
to. And since your god-thingumy is all loving, then these horrible
diseases that plague humanity must be considered a "good" thing by you
christer death-cultists -- and you ought thank your deity for creating
them in order to be consistent with the teachings of your own
religion.
(Fuck me, if you wanna tell some of these idiots something, you
practically have to engrave it on a steel pipe and beat it into their
thick skulls.)
>
>Blessings,
>John
"I hereby blaspheme the Holy Spirit, which is naught but a lying
servant of Satan, in John's name."
"Son of Discord"
*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
" . . The bible is crap, people who believe it
are idiots, and blasphemy is a victimless
crime because the whole fetid pile of
christianic mythology is a ficticious crock of shit."
-Stix, undefeated former Warlord of the BAAWA
*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
Kurt Gavin
> On Mon, 04 Sep 2006 16:41:29 GMT, "Jason"
> <jason....@nf.sympatico.ca> wrote:
>
>>Simply put, Kurt Gavin is pointing out one of the many contradictions of
>>Christianity, that God created everything, but that God is all good at the
>>same time. If he's all good, then why would he create such horrific
>>things...point made.
>
> Very sophomoric.
>
> So just because you atheists fail to see the good in something, it
> must therefore be bad. Does that also apply to "lions and tigers and
> bears, oh my!"? Death itself? War? Oh, but wait, man does that,
> doesn't he?
You're not even smart enough to understand the argument.
In addition, you are too weak to deal with the world, so you create
fantasies with supernatural beings. You probably believe in the tooth fairy
and Santa.
Produce your jesus/god and prove its existence and powers - or else shut up.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
It seems they would blame Mother Nature whom atheists like Charles
Darwin worshipped (per his TOE book Origin of Species).
Meanwhile, we the brethren of Christ Jesus give thanks to GOD for HIS
hedge of protection (Job 1:10) around us keeping us from contracting
most if not all the diseases on the list from satan, who is the source
of such afflictions (Job 2:7).
The difference is a life filled with hate versus a life filled with
love. The latter is infinitely more fulfilling and blessed. GOD did
promise us, HIS brethren, a more abundant life and through HIS love for
us, GOD's promise is realized.
Bottomline: GOD's love is the key for a more abundant life.
May GOD continue to heal our hearts by filling them with HIS love, dear
brother John whom I love unconditionally.
Kurt Gavin
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <nos...@heartmdphd.com> wrote in message
>
> It seems they would blame Mother Nature whom atheists like Charles
> Darwin worshipped (per his TOE book Origin of Species).
Another sign of Andy's jesus induced Altzheimer's.
The point was the inconsistency between an "all powerful, all good" god and
the existence terrible things happening to innocents.
Too tough for you to figure out? It's a point of logic, impared one.
Atheists deal with the world as it is.
God grovelers like you and the john make up fantasies so that you can cope.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew wrote:
> > www.pulpitfire.org wrote:
> >> Andrew wrote:
> >>
> >>> I love
> >>> unconditionally.
> >>
> >> <false interpretation of Scripture and advertisement snipped>
> >
> > Sorry my unconditional love for you bothers you so terribly.
> >
> > Please forgive all my iniquities.
> >
> > May GOD continue to heal your heart, dear neighbor Randy whom I love
> > unconditionally.
> >
> > Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
> >
> > Andrew <><
> > --
> > Andrew B. Chung
> > Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
> > http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit
> >
> > As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the
> > unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies
> > (Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17).
> >
> > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/d3b7b57d0fbf89ed?
>
> I am so sorry that your unconditional love for me and others who want to
> block you does not include any respect for our free will not to be
> bothered by your heresies.
Newsflash: Not everything (and in your case, few things especially the
above) that you disagree with are heresies.
"Those with GOD's love in their hearts have the most amount of all
things including faith, hope, and free will." -- Holy Spirit.
Amen.
With this understanding, it is now clear why Randy (pulpitfire)
believes he has no free will (he has rejected GOD's love so that there
is no love in his heart) and why Vera believes her free will is
threatened (she has very little love left in her heart because she has
been running out of it since choosing to leave HIS side to brandish her
sword to injure others).
May GOD continue to keep your heart beating, dear neighbor Vera whom I
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew wrote:
>
> >www.pulpitfire.org wrote:
> >> Andrew wrote:
> >>
> >> >May GOD continue to heal your heart, dear neighbor Mark whom
>
>
> Your spiritually disparaging remarks remain spiritually disparaging.
Without the LORD, your opinion is meaningless (Ecclesiastes).
> If you are claiming people are unbelievers, why do you imply God has
> begun to heal their heart?
Though someone may not be saved at the present time such as you, this
does not preclude that this someone may not choose to place his/her
faith in LORD Christ Jesus receiving GOD's love into his/her heart in
the future.
> Do you think salvation is the slow,
> gradual reformation of your old nature?
No. Salvation occurs when one chooses to place one's faith in LORD
Jesus Christ thereby receiving GOD's love into one's heart so that
one's soul will live forever on HIS living water.
> >> <False interpretation of Scripture and web site advertisement snipped>
>
> Your creative editing doesn't cover up what you cut out, or answer the
> question you are apparently running from:
>
> If you are claiming people are unbelievers, why do you imply God has
> begun to heal their heart? Do you think salvation is the slow,
> gradual reformation of your old nature?
Your perserveration does not bode well for your mental health.
> You continuously make spiritually disparaging remarks to the effect
> other people have sick and unregenerate hearts, like the proud
> publican who prayed with himself while he looked at the "sinner".
"Unregenerate" is your word not mine.
As for being a publican, cardiologists are qualified and authorized by
GOD to give opinions about the heart without becoming a publican.
Your bearing false witness is again forgiven as far as I am concerned.
> >Sorry my praying for Mark bothers you so terribly.
>
> It is not your praying, but your disparaging implications that reveal
> your publican pride.
See above and see:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.christnet.christianlife/msg/f54e1d0af5b9ffd9?
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew wrote:
> >www.pulpitfire.org wrote:
> >> Andrew wrote:
> >>
> >> >May GOD continue to heal your heart, dear neighbor Mark whom
> >>
> >> <False interpretation of Scripture and web site advertisement snipped>
> >
> >Sorry my praying for Mark bothers you so terribly.
>
> pass off this claim.
Speaking of telling:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.christnet.christianlife/msg/f54e1d0af5b9ffd9?
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> On Mon, 4 Sep 2006 19:14:02 +0200,
> in article <4m356uF...@individual.net>,
> " ::: veralein :::" <vera...@lycos.com> wrote:
Not even a scratch on GOD's armor.
Meanwhile, the truth has dismembered you so that you don't even have a
leg to stand on:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.christnet.christianlife/msg/f54e1d0af5b9ffd9?
Meanwhile, it remains my choice to stay by HIS side as HIS swordbearer
and pray for you.
May GOD continue to keep your heart beating, dear neighbor Randy whom I
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew wrote:
> > ::: veralein ::: wrote:
> >> I am so sorry that your unconditional love for me and others who want to
> >> block you does not include any respect for our free will not to be
> >> bothered by your heresies.
> >
> >Newsflash: Not everything (and in your case, few things especially the
> >above) that you disagree with are heresies.
>
> to block you when you keep changing account information?
One can alway use GOD's generous gift of free will and simply choose
not to read them just as you have chosen not to address your
non-Scriptural hypocrisy:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.christnet.christianlife/msg/f54e1d0af5b9ffd9?
May GOD continue to keep your heart beating, dear neighbor Randy whom I
Michelle Malkin
Keep your insincere blessings to yourself. And, as
ever, the theist totally misses the point. Atheists
know that all these illnesses simply evolved into
being. But, since you theists believe that your 'God'
is responsible for the existence of everything, then
it is also responsible for the existence of all harmful
living things including diseases. That is what you
believe. So, do you consider this to be a good thing?
Please don't say that it is not our place to ask
questions about your non-existent sky pixie. We
atheists will ask questions. And, we will tell you that
it isn't your 'God' that is responsible for these things,
but that men have assigned it this job as they made
it up.
--
Mark T
>>"In every thing give thanks: for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus
>>concerning you." -- 1 Thessalonians 5:18
>>
>>Thank you Jesus for ....
>>
>>AIDS and HIV
...
> You seem to be asking believers in God to blame Him for creating the
> above.
Have you ever read Camus' "The Plague"????
> Well, I would like to ask you athiests whom you would blame
> for creating these things?
I'm not an atheist. I'm a Christian and Exiled Believer.
#################################################
... quoting from James Barr's book "Fundamentalism" on the three
distinguishing features of the Fundamentalist '... an assurance that those
who do not share their religious viewpoint are not really true Christians at
all.' - Peter Cameron "Heretic" (Doubleday; Sydney: 1994) p. 178
#################################################
> Obviously, you can't be blaming God since
> you don't believe in Him.
I believe in the One God (Yahweh).
>So, who did it?
Herein is the problem ........
###################################################
Is god willing to prevent evil but not able? Then he is not
omnipotent. Is he able but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he
both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor
willing? Then why call him god? - Epicurus (341-270 BCE)
##################################################
The problem of evil, pain, suffering has not been solved by anyone.
Mark T
>>>"In every thing give thanks: for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus
>>>concerning you." -- 1 Thessalonians 5:18
>>>Thank you Jesus for ....
>>>AIDS and HIV
...
> But, since you theists believe that your 'God'
> is responsible for the existence of everything, then
> it is also responsible for the existence of all harmful
> living things including diseases.
That is EXACTLY the problem I am pointing out.
> So, do you consider this to be a good thing?
Hence the eternal problem .......
###################################################
Is god willing to prevent evil but not able? Then he is not
omnipotent. Is he able but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he
both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor
willing? Then why call him god? - Epicurus (341-270 BCE)
##################################################
The problem of evil, pain, suffering has not been solved by anyone.
Camus' "The Plague" should be reread.
> Please don't say that it is not our place to ask
> questions about your non-existent sky pixie.
Some Christians don't like any type of questions at all.
Watch the film "Nudist Colony of the Dead"
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"Nudist Colony of the Dead" (1991)
Directed and written by Mark Pirro
Judge Rhinehole orders the Sunny Buttocks Nudist Camp closed down as an
affront to the community - a group of old Bible thumpers. The nudists are so
ashamed and outraged by this act that they commit mass suicide but vow to
return for vengeance. Five years later, they return as zombies to the
site -- now a church summer camp renamed Camp CutchaGuzzOut . A group of
Christian teenage campers go there on a retreat and argue with each other
about religion and sing big production numbers. The nudists return as
zombies determined to kill every last zealot.
Songs include "I Don't Care" and "Inky Dinky Doo Dah Morning" and other
obscene lyrics and vulgar parodies of religious fundamentalists.
QUOTES:
Reverend Ritz: Remember, the children can't praise the Lord if they've got
genitals in their mouths.
Fanny Wype: We're Christians! We're not supposed to think!
Miss Stucco: This is a religious retreat, which has nothing to do with fun!
Do you think Jesus was having fun when he was being nailed on the cross? Do
you think Noah had fun when he watched all his neighbors drowning? Do you
think Cecil B. DeMille had fun when he parted the Red Sea and sent his crew
into golden overtime?
Ms. Luger: Listen, sister. Nudity didn't work for Adam and Eve and it's not
gonna work for you. If God had wanted us to walk around naked he wouldn't
have made little animals for us to cut up and make fur coats out of.
Miss Stucco: Your rights stop where Jesus says they do, and Jesus didn't
like nudity.
Mrs. Druple: Well, Jesus must love hemorrhoids because he sure got a lot of
assholes behind him.
Mrs. Druple: Your assholes are so tight you need a crowbar to help you shit.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Mark T
> That's Holy Spirit material!!!!
QUE????
What does that Christianese jargon mean in the real world?
Mark T
> Or, just because something exists that you don't like, doesn't make it
> evil. It just is. Because God made it that way doesn't make it evil,
> or Him not all good simply because you are unable to fathom the good.
Please explain how any of the diseases on my list are in fact good.
Have you ever read Camus' "The Plague"?
Mark T
> Produce your jesus/god and prove its existence and powers - or else shut
up.
I'm a Christian and Exiled Believer who does not believe that the historic
Jesus of Nazareth is God. I do believe in God as the Ground of all being
(from existentialist thought) and acknowledge that none of the proofs of
God's existence work.
Mark T
> The point is that, Christians worship this god-thingumy -- which
> supposedly created the whole universe and everything in it (being
> omnipotent), right?
> And this god-thingumy is supposedly benevolent (meaning "good",
> basically) on a grand scale. Getting this so far?
> And this god-thingumy is also "all-knowing" -- so he *knew* what he
> was doing when he made everything, and did it exactly the way he
> wanted it done. Right?
>
> So then it follows that your deity is also responsible for all the
> diseases listed. And since you god-thingumy is all knowing, he
> couldn't have made a mistake. And since your god-thingumy is
> all-powerful, he could abolish them at a whim -- so he mustn't want
> to. And since your god-thingumy is all loving, then these horrible
> diseases that plague humanity must be considered a "good" thing by you
> christer death-cultists -- and you ought thank your deity for creating
> them in order to be consistent with the teachings of your own
> religion.
Yep!
###################################################
Is god willing to prevent evil but not able? Then he is not
omnipotent. Is he able but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he
both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor
willing? Then why call him god? - Epicurus (341-270 BCE)
##################################################
The problem of evil, pain, suffering has not been solved by anyone.
Camus' "The Plague" should be reread.
> (Fuck me, if you wanna tell some of these idiots something, you
> practically have to engrave it on a steel pipe and beat it into their
> thick skulls.)
Amen! ;-)
Kurt Gavin
"Mark T" <wh@983659876489705698746590864596> wrote in message
news:44fcd3fc$1...@dnews.tpgi.com.au...
> "Kurt Gavin" wrote:
>
> > Produce your jesus/god and prove its existence and powers - or else shut
> up.
>
> I'm a Christian and Exiled Believer who does not believe that the historic
> Jesus of Nazareth is God. I do believe in God as the Ground of all being
> (from existentialist thought) and acknowledge that none of the proofs of
> God's existence work.
Great. So can you arrange for him/her/it to present itself and prove its
powers?
Kurt Gavin
"Mark T" <wh@983659876489705698746590864596> wrote in message
> "John" <john9...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>>>"In every thing give thanks: for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus
>>>concerning you." -- 1 Thessalonians 5:18
>>>
>>>Thank you Jesus for ....
>>>
>>>AIDS and HIV
> ...
>> You seem to be asking believers in God to blame Him for creating the
>> above.
>
> Have you ever read Camus' "The Plague"????
You'll be lucky if he reads comic books.
Mark T
>> > Produce your jesus/god and prove its existence and powers - or else
>> > shut
>> up.
>>
>> I'm a Christian and Exiled Believer who does not believe that the
>> historic Jesus of Nazareth is God. I do believe in God as the Ground of
>> all being (from existentialist thought) and acknowledge that none of the
>> proofs of God's existence work.
>
> Great. So can you arrange for him/her/it to present itself and prove its
> powers?
God as Ground of all being is that in which you live and move and have your
being. You might call it by other names (and their combinations) such as
existence, nature, life, etc.
John
<wh@983659876489705698746590864596> wrote:
>"John" wrote:
>
>> Or, just because something exists that you don't like, doesn't make it
>> evil. It just is. Because God made it that way doesn't make it evil,
>> or Him not all good simply because you are unable to fathom the good.
>
>Please explain how any of the diseases on my list are in fact good.
Well, one could say that at least some of them teach us certain
valuable things about life. For example, given that we are all mortal
and are going to die somewhere, somehow, sometime, that fear of death
may well prevent us from experiencing the joy of life. Some of them
teach us the value of chastity and fidelity.
I would ask you to prove that *all* of the things listed are *always*
bad.
>Have you ever read Camus' "The Plague"?
No, but I have read some of the reviews on Amazon. ;-)
In War of the Worlds, the earth is invaded by viscious Martians bent
on killing all humanity. Humans are unable to counter the Martians
technology. But in the end, just when it seems that all is lost, the
Martians all become infected by a bacteria and die. Sci-Fi, but the
point is that we may not always see the purpose of some things or
creatures but that does not mean that there is not one. Ask God about
it.
Blessings,
John
Son of Discord
So . . . You're more of a pantheist then, right?
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> In alt.atheism Mark T shared this wisdom:
>
> >"Kurt Gavin" wrote:
> >
> >>> > Produce your jesus/god and prove its existence and powers - or else
> >>> > shut
> >>> up.
> >>>
> >>> I'm a Christian and Exiled Believer who does not believe that the
> >>> historic Jesus of Nazareth is God. I do believe in God as the Ground of
> >>> all being (from existentialist thought) and acknowledge that none of the
> >>> proofs of God's existence work.
> >>
> >> Great. So can you arrange for him/her/it to present itself and prove its
> >> powers?
> >
> >
> >God as Ground of all being is that in which you live and move and have your
> >being. You might call it by other names (and their combinations) such as
> >existence, nature, life, etc.
>
> So . . . You're more of a pantheist then, right?
So it seems.
May GOD continue to keep your heart beating, dear neighbor whom I love
Mark T
>>> Or, just because something exists that you don't like, doesn't make it
>>> evil. It just is. Because God made it that way doesn't make it evil,
>>> or Him not all good simply because you are unable to fathom the good.
>>
>>Please explain how any of the diseases on my list are in fact good.
>
> Well, one could say that at least some of them teach us certain
> valuable things about life.
Hmmm ... like life is preferable to death from any of the diseases.
Mark T
>>God as Ground of all being is that in which you live and move and have
>>your
>>being. You might call it by other names (and their combinations) such as
>>existence, nature, life, etc.
>
> So . . . You're more of a pantheist then, right?
Panentheist. God is all that plus more.
Mark T
>> >God as Ground of all being is that in which you live and move and have
>> >your
>> >being. You might call it by other names (and their combinations) such
>> >as
>> >existence, nature, life, etc.
>>
>> So . . . You're more of a pantheist then, right?
>
> So it seems.
Nope. God is in all that exists but is more than what exists. Panetheism.
Chrisytians such as Paul Tillich and John Shelby Spong hold to the same
view.
thomas p.
John skrev:
> On Tue, 5 Sep 2006 11:28:35 +1000, "Mark T"
> <wh@983659876489705698746590864596> wrote:
>
> >"John" wrote:
> >
> >> Or, just because something exists that you don't like, doesn't make it
> >> evil. It just is. Because God made it that way doesn't make it evil,
> >> or Him not all good simply because you are unable to fathom the good.
> >
> >Please explain how any of the diseases on my list are in fact good.
>
> Well, one could say that at least some of them teach us certain
> valuable things about life. For example, given that we are all mortal
> and are going to die somewhere, somehow, sometime, that fear of death
> may well prevent us from experiencing the joy of life. Some of them
> teach us the value of chastity and fidelity.
I see. The value of chastity and fidelity is that it protects us from
disease, so your god creates disease to teach us the value of chastity
and fidelity; the value being that it protects us from disease. Are
you able to keep a straight face when you make make such brilliant
arguments?
>
> I would ask you to prove that *all* of the things listed are *always*
> bad.
>
> >Have you ever read Camus' "The Plague"?
>
> No, but I have read some of the reviews on Amazon. ;-)
>
> In War of the Worlds, the earth is invaded by viscious Martians bent
> on killing all humanity. Humans are unable to counter the Martians
> technology. But in the end, just when it seems that all is lost, the
> Martians all become infected by a bacteria and die. Sci-Fi, but the
> point is that we may not always see the purpose of some things or
> creatures but that does not mean that there is not one. Ask God about
> it.
You make your god sound incredibly stupid.
thomas p.
John skrev:
> On Mon, 04 Sep 2006 16:41:29 GMT, "Jason"
> <jason....@nf.sympatico.ca> wrote:
>
> >Simply put, Kurt Gavin is pointing out one of the many contradictions of
> >Christianity, that God created everything, but that God is all good at the
> >same time. If he's all good, then why would he create such horrific
> >things...point made.
>
> Very sophomoric.
>
> So just because you atheists fail to see the good in something, it
> must therefore be bad.
Are you able to see something good about it?
>Does that also apply to "lions and tigers and
> bears, oh my!"? Death itself? War? Oh, but wait, man does that,
> doesn't he?
Oh, but wait, man doesn't do that.
>
> Or, just because something exists that you don't like, doesn't make it
> evil. It just is. Because God made it that way doesn't make it evil,
> or Him not all good simply because you are unable to fathom the good.
>
> Did you ever read or see "War of the Worlds"?
Yes, it does not help your position at all. It is extremely strange
that you seem to think that it does.
>
> When you get to Heaven you can always ask God about it. Oh wait, you
> wouldn't be going there, would you? Well, I'll ask for you and shout
> it down to you.
Your attempt at humor reveals a lack of morals.
Barry OGrady
If that is what being a Christian does to you I'm glad I'm not one.
>
>Blessings,
>John
Barry
=====
Home page
http://members.iinet.net.au/~barry.og
Barry OGrady
>
>"Mark T" <wh@983659876489705698746590864596> wrote in message
>news:44fcd3fc$1...@dnews.tpgi.com.au...
>> "Kurt Gavin" wrote:
>>
>> > Produce your jesus/god and prove its existence and powers - or else shut
>> up.
>>
>> I'm a Christian and Exiled Believer who does not believe that the historic
>> Jesus of Nazareth is God. I do believe in God as the Ground of all being
>> (from existentialist thought) and acknowledge that none of the proofs of
>> God's existence work.
>
>Great. So can you arrange for him/her/it to present itself and prove its
>powers?
Mark T thinks God is an idiot and the Bible pathetic but he still thinks we should worship
God in the way he says.
Son of Discord
>"Son of Discord" wrote:
D'you reckon you could define that for me?
<snip>
Son of Discord
>"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" wrote:
. . Spong, eh?
Spong.
Spong. Spong. Spong.
Spong.
. . .
Spong. Spong. Spong. Spong. Spong. Spong. Spong. Spong. Spong. Spong.
Spong. Spong. Spong. Spong. Spong. Spong. Spong. Spong. Spong. Spong.
Spong. Spong. Spong. Spong. Spong. Spong. Spong. Spong. Spong. Spong.
Spong. Spong. Spong. Spong. Spong. Spong. Spong. Spong. Spong. Spong.
Spong. Spong. Spong. Spong. Spong. Spong. Spong. Spong. Spong. Spong.
Spong. Spong. Spong. Spong. Spong. Spong. Spong. Spong. Spong. Spong.
Spong. Spong. Spong. Spong. Spong. Spong. Spong. Spong. Spong. Spong.
Spong. Spong. Spong. Spong. Spong. Spong. Spong. Spong. Spong. Spong.
Spong. Spong. Spong. Spong. Spong. Spong. Spong. Spong. Spong. Spong.
Spong. Spong. Spong. Spong. Spong. Spong. Spong. Spong. Spong. Spong.
. . .
. . Sorry, couldn't help it. Got carried away. :)
Kurt Gavin
"thomas p." <tonyo...@yahoo.dk> wrote in message
news:1157451103.3...@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
>
> John skrev:
>
>> On Tue, 5 Sep 2006 11:28:35 +1000, "Mark T"
>> <wh@983659876489705698746590864596> wrote:
>>
>> >"John" wrote:
>> >
>> >> Or, just because something exists that you don't like, doesn't make it
>> >> evil. It just is. Because God made it that way doesn't make it evil,
>> >> or Him not all good simply because you are unable to fathom the good.
>> >
>> >Please explain how any of the diseases on my list are in fact good.
>>
>
>> Well, one could say that at least some of them teach us certain
>> valuable things about life. For example, given that we are all mortal
>> and are going to die somewhere, somehow, sometime, that fear of death
>> may well prevent us from experiencing the joy of life. Some of them
>> teach us the value of chastity and fidelity.
>
> I see. The value of chastity and fidelity is that it protects us from
> disease, so your god creates disease to teach us the value of chastity
> and fidelity; the value being that it protects us from disease. Are
> you able to keep a straight face when you make make such brilliant
> arguments?
He's not even conscious of the mis-logic you're pointing out.
The biggest problem with xinaity is the real damage to the intellect that it
creates, and I'm not joking.
skyeyes
> "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <nos...@heartmdphd.com> wrote in message
>
> >> Good examples of your imaginery god's love: smallpox; influenzas; birth
> >> defects; people with OCD spamming newsgroups with endless rubbish (that's
> >> YOU Andrew).
> >
> > This is not spam.
>
> LOL. Like hell it isn't. You spam religious messages. Dumb trite ones.
>
> You do it after people repeatedly request you to stop it in non-religious
> groups.
>
> > Sorry what the Holy Spirit has guided me to write bothers you so
> > terribly.
>
> There's no holy anything making you do it.
>
> You just do it out of selfishness so you can feel important.
He does it so that he can store up "treasures in Heaven" and have
"stars in his crown." These nuts believe that the more people they
convert and the more witnessing they do, the greater will be their
material reward in Heaven. Purely selfish and materialistic
motivations.
Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34
EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
skyeyes at dakotacom dot net
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>
> On Mon, 4 Sep 2006 08:55:26 +1000, "Mark T"
>
> >"Kurt Gavin" wrote:
> >
> >> Good examples of your imaginery god's love: smallpox; influenzas; birth
> >> defects; people with OCD spamming newsgroups with endless rubbish
> >
> >
> >concerning you." -- 1 Thessalonians 5:18
> >
> >
> >Thank you Jesus for ....
> >
> >AIDS and HIV
> You seem to be asking believers in God to blame Him for creating the
> above. Well, I would like to ask you athiests whom you would blame
> for creating these things?
A most interesting question, and one I've been asking advocates
of intelligent design for years. Not a one has ever answered
me.
-- cary
Cary Kittrell
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>
> On Mon, 04 Sep 2006 16:41:29 GMT, "Jason"
> <jason....@nf.sympatico.ca> wrote:
>
> >Simply put, Kurt Gavin is pointing out one of the many contradictions of
> >Christianity, that God created everything, but that God is all good at the
> >same time. If he's all good, then why would he create such horrific
> >things...point made.
>
> Very sophomoric.
>
> So just because you atheists fail to see the good in something, it
> must therefore be bad.
Okay, I'll bite: what's the good in malaria?
-- cary
Kurt Gavin
"skyeyes" <sky...@dakotacom.net> wrote in message
news:1157478440....@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> Kurt Gavin wrote:
>
>> "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <nos...@heartmdphd.com> wrote in message
>>
>> >> Good examples of your imaginery god's love: smallpox; influenzas;
>> >> birth
>> >> defects; people with OCD spamming newsgroups with endless rubbish
>> >> (that's
>> >> YOU Andrew).
>> >
>> > This is not spam.
>>
>> LOL. Like hell it isn't. You spam religious messages. Dumb trite ones.
>>
>> You do it after people repeatedly request you to stop it in non-religious
>> groups.
>>
>> > Sorry what the Holy Spirit has guided me to write bothers you so
>> > terribly.
>>
>> There's no holy anything making you do it.
>>
>> You just do it out of selfishness so you can feel important.
>
> He does it so that he can store up "treasures in Heaven" and have
> "stars in his crown." These nuts believe that the more people they
> convert and the more witnessing they do, the greater will be their
> material reward in Heaven. Purely selfish and materialistic
> motivations.
What happens when he repels undecided people - he goes to hell?
Kurt Gavin
"Cary Kittrell" <ca...@afone.as.arizona.edu> wrote in message
news:edkhq3$7re$1...@onion.ccit.arizona.edu...
cing E. coli infection indicator conditions including
>> >Hemolytic Uremic Syndrome (HUS)
>> >*Yellow Fever
>> >Yersiniosis
>
>
>> You seem to be asking believers in God to blame Him for creating the
>> above. Well, I would like to ask you athiests whom you would blame
>> for creating these things?
>
>
> A most interesting question, and one I've been asking advocates
> of intelligent design for years. Not a one has ever answered
> me.
What stunning stupidity.
>
>
> -- cary
>
>
Mark T
>> So just because you atheists fail to see the good in something, it
>> must therefore be bad.
>
> Okay, I'll bite: what's the good in malaria?
If enough fundamentalist Christians catch it ... and die from it (no
treatment - let Jesus cure them by prayer) ... the world will be a better
place without the silly buggers. ;-)
Mark T
>>>>God as Ground of all being is that in which you live and move and have
>>>>your being. You might call it by other names (and their combinations)
>>>>such as
>>>>existence, nature, life, etc.
>>> So . . . You're more of a pantheist then, right?
>>Panentheist.
>
> D'you reckon you could define that for me?
Yep.
Panentheism (Greek words: pan=all, en=in and Theos=God; "all-in-God") is the
view that God is immanent within all Creation or that God is the animating
force behind the universe.
Panentheism simply is a statement that this Causative Force of religions is
so big that it is everywhere in terms of the universe it created.
Panentheism simply states the size of the Causative Force as being
omnipresent in terms of the universe.
Panentheism is not a religion; it is just a description of what religions
call the size of "God," the Causative Force.
However, unlike pantheism, panentheism does not equate the universe with God
or suggest that there is no aspect of God beyond the universe itself.
Panentheism has only recently been introduced to Christianity via process
theology.
However the TYPE of God I am putting forward is not a theistic God. I view
God not as A being but as the Ground of all being (Paul Tillich ....
"being-itself")
The following from John A T Robinson, Bishop of Woolwich, 'Honest To God'
(SCM, London: 1963) explains this .......
********************
God, [Paul] Tillich was saying, is not a projection 'out there', an Other
beyond the skies, of whose existence we have to convince ourselves, but the
Ground of our very Being. pp. 22
God is, by definition, ultimate reality. And one cannot argue whether
ultimate reality really exists. One can only ask what ultimate reality is
like ... Thus, the fundamental theological question is not in establishing
the 'existence' of God as a separate entity but in pressing through in
ultimate concern to what Tillich calls 'the ground of our being'.. p. 29
In Tillich's words: The phrase deus sive natura, used by people like Scotus
Eriggena and Spinoza, does not say that God is identical with nature but
that he is identical with the natura naturans, the creative nature, the
creative ground of all natural objects. p. 31
God is not 'out there'. He is in Bonhoeffer's words ' the "beyond" in the
midst of our life', a depth of reality reached ' not on the borders of life
but at its centre', not by any flight of the alone to the alone, but, in
Kierkegaard's fine phrase, by ' a deeper immersion in existence'. For the
word 'God' denotes the ultimate depth of all our being, the creative ground
and meaning of all our existence. ...Tillich warns us that to make the
necessary transposition, 'you must forget everything traditional that you
have learned about God, perhaps even that word itself.' p. 47
... Bonhoeffer insists ... 'The transcendent is not infinitely remote but
close at hand.' p.53
The question of God is the question whether this depth of being is a reality
or an illusion, not whether a Being exists beyond the bright, blue sky, or
anywhere else. Belief in God is a matter of 'what you take seriously
without any reservation', of what for you is ultimate reality. p. 55
... the beginning is to try to be honest - and to go on from there. p. 141
**************
Mark T
>>Nope. God is in all that exists but is more than what exists.
>>Panetheism.
>>Chrisytians such as Paul Tillich and John Shelby Spong hold to the same
>>view.
>
> . . Spong, eh?
Yep!
Twelve Theses - John Shelby Spong
from "Here I Stand" ( HarperCollins; New York:2000 pp. 468 -469)
Drawn from my book Why Christianity Must Change or Die: A Bishop Speaks to
Believers in Exile
A Call for a New Reformation
1. Theism, as a way of defining God, is dead. God can no longer be
understood with credibility as a Being, supernatural in power, dwelling
above the sky and prepared to invade human history periodically to enforce
the divine will. So, most theological God-talk today is meaningless unless
we find a new way to speak of God.
2. Since God can no longer be conceived in theistic terms, it becomes
nonsensical to seek to understand Jesus as the incarnation of the theistic
deity. So, the Christology of the ages is bankrupt.
3. The biblical story of the perfect and finished creation from which human
beings fell into sin is pre-Darwinian mythology and post-Darwinian
nonsense.
4. The virgin birth, understood as literal biology, makes the divinity of
Christ, as traditionally understood, impossible.
5. The miracle stories of the New Testament can no longer be interpreted in
a post-Newtonian world as supernatural events performed by an incarnate
deity.
6. The view of the cross as the sacrifice for the sins of the world is a
barbarian idea based on primitive concepts of God that must be dismissed.
7. Resurrection is an action of God, who raised Jesus into the meaning of
God. It therefore cannot be a physical resuscitation occurring inside human
history..
8. The story of the ascension assumed a three-tiered universe and is
therefore not capable of being translated into the concepts of a
post-Copernican space age.
9. There is no external, objective, revealed standard writ in Scripture or
on tablets of stone that will govern our ethical behavior for all time.
10. Prayer cannot be a request made to a theistic deity to act in human
history in a particular way.
11. The hope for life after death must be separated forever from the
behavior-control mentality of reward and punishment. The church must
abandon, therefore, its reliance on guilt as a motivator of behavior.
12. All human beings bear God's image and must be respected for what each
person is. Therefore, no external description of one's being, whether based
on race, ethnicity, gender, or sexual orientation, can properly be used as
the basis for cither rejection or discrimination.
Author's Note: These theses posted for debate are inevitably stated in a
negative manner. That is deliberate. Before one can hear what Christianity
is one must create room for that bearing by clearing out the misconceptions
of what Christianity is not. Why Christianity Must Change or Die is a
manifesto calling the church to a new reformation. In that book I begin to
sketch out a view of God beyond theism, an understanding of' the Christ as a
God presence and a vision of the shape of both the church and its Liturgy
for the future.
[* This was more fully presented in his later book "A New Christianity For A
New World"]
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thomas p.
Kurt Gavin skrev:
> "thomas p." <tonyo...@yahoo.dk> wrote in message
> news:1157451103.3...@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > John skrev:
> >
> >> On Tue, 5 Sep 2006 11:28:35 +1000, "Mark T"
> >> <wh@983659876489705698746590864596> wrote:
> >>
> >> >"John" wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Or, just because something exists that you don't like, doesn't make it
> >> >> evil. It just is. Because God made it that way doesn't make it evil,
> >> >> or Him not all good simply because you are unable to fathom the good.
> >> >
> >> >Please explain how any of the diseases on my list are in fact good.
> >>
> >
> >> Well, one could say that at least some of them teach us certain
> >> valuable things about life. For example, given that we are all mortal
> >> and are going to die somewhere, somehow, sometime, that fear of death
> >> may well prevent us from experiencing the joy of life. Some of them
> >> teach us the value of chastity and fidelity.
> >
> > I see. The value of chastity and fidelity is that it protects us from
> > disease, so your god creates disease to teach us the value of chastity
> > and fidelity; the value being that it protects us from disease. Are
> > you able to keep a straight face when you make make such brilliant
> > arguments?
>
> He's not even conscious of the mis-logic you're pointing out.
>
And, in all probability, it will not be possible to get him to see it,
but one tries.
R. Pierce Butler
news:QPEKg.2530$v%4....@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net:
>
> "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <nos...@heartmdphd.com> wrote in message
>
> Please forgive all my iniquities.
>
No and fuck you. (I wish someone would say to me "take it back" after I have
told them "go fuck yourself". "OK - I take it back. Un-fuck yourself")
R. Pierce Butler
@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net:
>
> What happens when he repels undecided people - he goes to hell?
>
>
The same thing that happens to all those that do not follow the words and
examples of Jesus. They burn for eternity. Don't believe me? Ask Chung.
Chung thinks Jesus loves him but everyone else knows he's an asshole.
leen...@gmail.com
Do you know Malaria is an infectious disease.It is caused when
mosquitoes infected with the malaria-causing parasite bites. The
parasite infects human liver and red blood cells.
one should use the use of medications to prevent malaria.
i think this should be useful for you
http://medical-health-care-information.com/encyclopedia/M/Malaria.asp
RJ
Mark T wrote:
> "Kurt Gavin" wrote:
>
> > Good examples of your imaginery god's love: smallpox; influenzas; birth
> > defects; people with OCD spamming newsgroups with endless rubbish
>
>
> Hemolytic Uremic Syndrome (HUS)
> *Yellow Fever
> Yersiniosis
not aprophet or i could have saved you all that typing.
Cary Kittrell
Sin brought it along, you say -- but the more interesting question is
"Who designed these clever disease-causing organisms in the first place?"
-- cary
Mark T
>> > "In every thing give thanks: for this is the will of God in Christ
>> > Jesus
>> > concerning you." -- 1 Thessalonians 5:18
>> > Thank you Jesus for ....
>> > AIDS and HIV
...
> um yeah it was definately sin that brought this all along, too bad i'm
>> not aprophet or i could have saved you all that typing.
>
> Sin brought it along, you say -- but the more interesting question is
> "Who designed these clever disease-causing organisms in the first place?"
The ol' "problem of evil"
Trew Kristyuns don't even discuss it ... or blame it on the devil ... but
who made the devil???
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> "Cary Kittrell" <ca...@afone.as.arizona.edu> wrote:
>
>
> >> > "In every thing give thanks: for this is the will of God in Christ
> >> > Jesus
> >> > concerning you." -- 1 Thessalonians 5:18
> >> > Thank you Jesus for ....
> >> > AIDS and HIV
> ...
> > um yeah it was definately sin that brought this all along, too bad i'm
> >> not aprophet or i could have saved you all that typing.
> >
> > Sin brought it along, you say -- but the more interesting question is
> > "Who designed these clever disease-causing organisms in the first place?"
>
> The ol' "problem of evil"
>
> Trew Kristyuns don't even discuss it ... or blame it on the devil ... but
> who made the devil???
GOD.
However, the devil also has free will.
It remains GOD's infinite will that all souls have free will include
those that belong to fig trees (Mark 11:12-14,20)
This makes love possible.
The price is evil coexisting with good as choices for the exercise of
free will.
It is written that GOD has permitted the weeds to grow with the wheat
for now.
May GOD continue to keep your heart beating, dear neighbor Mark whom I
love unconditionally.
Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung
Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit
As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the
unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies
(Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17).
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/d3b7b57d0fbf89ed?
Barry OGrady
I think you are aphrophet. Do you know what it means to be aprophet?
Barry OGrady
Switching to Christian mode. It takes some effort to dumb myself down that much;
Nobody. They are a consequence of sin.
Back to reality mode.
>-- cary
Barry OGrady
>"Cary Kittrell" <ca...@afone.as.arizona.edu> wrote:
>
>
>>> > "In every thing give thanks: for this is the will of God in Christ
>>> > Jesus
>>> > concerning you." -- 1 Thessalonians 5:18
>>> > Thank you Jesus for ....
>>> > AIDS and HIV
>...
>> um yeah it was definately sin that brought this all along, too bad i'm
>>> not aprophet or i could have saved you all that typing.
>>
>> Sin brought it along, you say -- but the more interesting question is
>> "Who designed these clever disease-causing organisms in the first place?"
>
>
>The ol' "problem of evil"
>
>Trew Kristyuns don't even discuss it ... or blame it on the devil ... but
>who made the devil???
The God you want us to worship.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > Mark T wrote:
> >> "Cary Kittrell" <ca...@afone.as.arizona.edu> wrote:
> >>
> >> >> > "In every thing give thanks: for this is the will of God in Christ
> >> >> > Jesus
> >> >> > concerning you." -- 1 Thessalonians 5:18
> >> >> > Thank you Jesus for ....
> >> >> > AIDS and HIV
> >> ...
> >> > um yeah it was definately sin that brought this all along, too bad i'm
> >> >> not aprophet or i could have saved you all that typing.
> >> >
> >> > Sin brought it along, you say -- but the more interesting question is
> >> > "Who designed these clever disease-causing organisms in the first
> >> > place?"
> >>
> >> The ol' "problem of evil"
> >>
> >> Trew Kristyuns don't even discuss it ... or blame it on the devil ... but
> >> who made the devil???
> >
> > GOD.
>
"Tolerance of evil is proof of good because evil has no tolerance." --
Holy Spirit.
Amen !
Laus Deo ! !
Marana tha ! ! !
May GOD continue to keep your heart beating, dear neighbor Pramesh whom
Cary Kittrell
> Mark T wrote:
> > "Cary Kittrell" <ca...@afone.as.arizona.edu> wrote:
> >
> >
> > >> > "In every thing give thanks: for this is the will of God in Christ
> > >> > Jesus
> > >> > concerning you." -- 1 Thessalonians 5:18
> > >> > Thank you Jesus for ....
> > >> > AIDS and HIV
> > ...
> > > um yeah it was definately sin that brought this all along, too bad i'm
> > >> not aprophet or i could have saved you all that typing.
> > >
> > > Sin brought it along, you say -- but the more interesting question is
> > > "Who designed these clever disease-causing organisms in the first place?"
> >
> > The ol' "problem of evil"
> >
> > Trew Kristyuns don't even discuss it ... or blame it on the devil ... but
> > who made the devil???
>
> GOD.
>
> However, the devil also has free will.
>
> It remains GOD's infinite will that all souls have free will include
> those that belong to fig trees (Mark 11:12-14,20)
Do trypanosomes have souls as well?
-- cary
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew wrote:
> > Mark T wrote:
> > > "Cary Kittrell" <ca...@afone.as.arizona.edu> wrote:
> > >
> > > >> > "In every thing give thanks: for this is the will of God in Christ
> > > >> > Jesus
> > > >> > concerning you." -- 1 Thessalonians 5:18
> > > >> > Thank you Jesus for ....
> > > >> > AIDS and HIV
> > > ...
> > > > um yeah it was definately sin that brought this all along, too bad i'm
> > > >> not aprophet or i could have saved you all that typing.
> > > >
> > > > Sin brought it along, you say -- but the more interesting question is
> > > > "Who designed these clever disease-causing organisms in the first place?"
> > >
> > > The ol' "problem of evil"
> > >
> > > Trew Kristyuns don't even discuss it ... or blame it on the devil ... but
> > > who made the devil???
> >
> > GOD.
> >
> > However, the devil also has free will.
> >
> > those that belong to fig trees (Mark 11:12-14,20)
>
> Do trypanosomes have souls as well?
GOD has given souls to all HIS creations.
They all have HIS generous gift of free will to either obey HIM or sin.
May GOD continue to keep your heart beating, dear Cary whom I love
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
That is already proven by your belief in evil.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
If you are able to see evil, then you are also able to see good.
m...@moo.com
wrote:
>It came from Chung's dementia.
>
>He just makes stuff up and attributes it to god, as though supernatural
>beings are operating and speaking to the world through him.
They do me. Did you get passed over?
Are you Jewish ("pass over", get it)?
Mu is fun, fun is Mu.