The Fat Virus
Don Kirkman
converting adult stem cells into fat cells, making it easier to gain
weight and harder to lose it, researchers reported this week."
As reported in the August 25 LA Times, a study with this conclusion was
presented to the American Chemical Society last week. AD-36
(adenovirus-36) causes respiratory and eye infections, and patients
often gain excess weight after a bout with it. Animals have shown the
same tendency. While around 11% of the non-0bese have antibodies for
the virus, 30% of the obese have them.
Other parallel studies have shown the conversion of stem cells to fat
cells under the influence of the virus. If this finding can be
confirmed it could conceivably lead to a vaccine for obesity.
The short LA Times article is at
http://www.latimes.com/news/science/la-sci-obesity25aug25,1,168036.story
--
Don Kirkman
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
AD-36 infection results in lowered serum lipids and increased insulin
sensitivity in Wistar rats while inducing adiposity.
Source:
http://www.obesityresearch.org/cgi/content/abstract/14/11/1905
This is not what we are seeing in humans where weight gain is
associated with increased serum lipids and decreased insulin
sensitivity.
The likely explanation for more of the obese having antibodies to
AD-36 is greater susceptibility to infection from immunocompromise
from their obesity rather than AD-36 infection causing their obesity.
It is possible that AD-36 infection may be keeping some of our obese
folks from having more VAT by diverting it to SCAT so that there would
be a lowering of serum lipids and an increase in insulin sensitivity.
The PPAR gamma agonists work in this manner as insulin sensitizers and
lead to weight gain because people have an irrational compulsion to
eat more when they are hungrier (healthier) because the world's great
lie about hunger keeps them from knowing any better.
Truly, it is only when we are hungry (stomachs laughing and
singing :-) that our bodies get rid of the VAT that is hurting us.
Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be blessed:
http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/PressRelease
Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,
Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Cardiologist
Don Kirkman
article <1188154806.1...@d55g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>:
>convicted neighbor Don Kirkman wrote:
>> "A virus that has been linked to obesity in animals and humans works by
>> converting adult stem cells into fat cells, making it easier to gain
>> weight and harder to lose it, researchers reported this week."
>> As reported in the August 25 LA Times, a study with this conclusion was
>> presented to the American Chemical Society last week. AD-36
>> (adenovirus-36) causes respiratory and eye infections, and patients
>> often gain excess weight after a bout with it. Animals have shown the
>> same tendency. While around 11% of the non-0bese have antibodies for
>> the virus, 30% of the obese have them.
>> Other parallel studies have shown the conversion of stem cells to fat
>> cells under the influence of the virus. If this finding can be
>> confirmed it could conceivably lead to a vaccine for obesity.
>> The short LA Times article is at
>> http://www.latimes.com/news/science/la-sci-obesity25aug25,1,168036.story
>AD-36 infection results in lowered serum lipids and increased insulin
>sensitivity in Wistar rats while inducing adiposity.
>Source:
>http://www.obesityresearch.org/cgi/content/abstract/14/11/1905
Your cite supports the finding of increased obesity in rats . . .
>This is not what we are seeing in humans where weight gain is
>associated with increased serum lipids and decreased insulin
>sensitivity.
. . . but not in humans. And who is this "we"? Exactly where and when
are you involved in these types of studies?
>The likely explanation for more of the obese having antibodies to
>AD-36 is greater susceptibility to infection from immunocompromise
>from their obesity rather than AD-36 infection causing their obesity.
>It is possible that AD-36 infection may be keeping some of our obese
>folks from having more VAT by diverting it to SCAT so that there would
>be a lowering of serum lipids and an increase in insulin sensitivity.
>The PPAR gamma agonists work in this manner as insulin sensitizers and
>lead to weight gain because people have an irrational compulsion to
>eat more when they are hungrier (healthier) because the world's great
>lie about hunger keeps them from knowing any better.
Bottom line: your argument is with those doing the studies, not with
me. Suggest you publish your own work on the subject.
--
Don Kirkman
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> >convicted neighbor Don Kirkman wrote:
>
> >> "A virus that has been linked to obesity in animals and humans works by
> >> converting adult stem cells into fat cells, making it easier to gain
> >> weight and harder to lose it, researchers reported this week."
>
> >> As reported in the August 25 LA Times, a study with this conclusion was
> >> presented to the American Chemical Society last week. AD-36
> >> (adenovirus-36) causes respiratory and eye infections, and patients
> >> often gain excess weight after a bout with it. Animals have shown the
> >> same tendency. While around 11% of the non-0bese have antibodies for
> >> the virus, 30% of the obese have them.
>
> >> Other parallel studies have shown the conversion of stem cells to fat
> >> cells under the influence of the virus. If this finding can be
> >> confirmed it could conceivably lead to a vaccine for obesity.
> >> The short LA Times article is at
> >> http://www.latimes.com/news/science/la-sci-obesity25aug25,1,168036.story
>
> >AD-36 infection results in lowered serum lipids and increased insulin
> >sensitivity in Wistar rats while inducing adiposity.
>
> >Source:
>
> >http://www.obesityresearch.org/cgi/content/abstract/14/11/1905
>
> Your cite supports the finding of increased obesity in rats . . .
... with lowered serum lipids and increased insulin sensitivity.
> >This is not what we are seeing in humans where weight gain is
> >associated with increased serum lipids and decreased insulin
> >sensitivity.
>
> . . . but not in humans. And who is this "we"?
Practicing physicians.
> Exactly where and when are you involved in these types of studies?
It remains unethical as discussed in the cited abstract to infect
people with viruses so that "these types of studies" in humans will
simply not be done.
> >The likely explanation for more of the obese having antibodies to
> >AD-36 is greater susceptibility to infection from immunocompromise
> >from their obesity rather than AD-36 infection causing their obesity.
> >It is possible that AD-36 infection may be keeping some of our obese
> >folks from having more VAT by diverting it to SCAT so that there would
> >be a lowering of serum lipids and an increase in insulin sensitivity.
> >The PPAR gamma agonists work in this manner as insulin sensitizers and
> >lead to weight gain because people have an irrational compulsion to
> >eat more when they are hungrier (healthier) because the world's great
> >lie about hunger keeps them from knowing any better.
>
> Bottom line: your argument is with those doing the studies, not with
> me.
Explanation is not argument.
Bottom line:
You remain untruthful.
This simply shows that the Holy Spirit is absolutely right to convict
you:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts
tr...@is-best.com
> Bottom line: your argument is with those doing the studies, not with
> me.
"Explanation is not argument."
And neither is evasive play upon words. You did not explain, you
offered an unsupported opinion without benefit of research. Go into any
bar any night of the week and find as much "explanation" as this as you
want.
"Bottom line:
You remain untruthful."
Bottom line, you continue daily to expose that you do not keep current
with research.
You willfully distort research in pursuit of a non-scientific agenda.
You willfull ignore all research which refutes in part and in whole the
agenda.
Bottom line X 2, the truth is not in you and the two pound diet,aka 2 pd
etc., remains trash science.
God bless.
Rod
And the bottom line with you is the fact that you retain your
anonymity to protect you from any libel suits directed your way
AND any possible criminal charges for stalking and harassment as
well.
As a complete stranger, having read many of your posts and replied
several times I wouldn't put any trust in a person that harasses others
and stalks Andrew then makes the claims that he is dishonest, when you
have so much of your own deviousness exposed!
You're remarkably dishonest!
tr...@is-best.com
I turn to yu my other cheek.
God bless.
ted rosenberg
> tr...@is-best.com wrote:
<snip>
If you wan to play kissy with the Ching troll,,. go right ahead, but
take it off of the newsgroups
Andrew needs hospitalization, what is your excuse?
Rod
Prove your claims, that should be easy for you if there is anything to
them besides "whining".......
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> friend Rod wrote:
> > satan via a sockpuppet (corporeal demon) hissed:
> >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >>
Many thanks, much praise, and all the glory to GOD for HIS compelling
you to unwittingly demonstrate that truth hurts you, satan.
Laus Deo !
In Jesus' awesome name, I rebuke you yet again, satan.
Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit,
Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Bondservant to the KING of kings and LORD of lords.
tr...@is-best.com
> I turn to yu my other cheek.
"Many thanks, much praise, and all the glory to GOD for HIS compelling
you to unwittingly demonstrate that truth hurts you, satan."
Smile, you know full well the scripture to which the above alludes.
I forgive you, forgive me if I have offended.
God bless.
tr...@is-best.com
on any topic, please read at least 3 of his other posts. Quickly you
will percieve clearly the truth of this warning. Any question his
opinion might suggest to you should be confirmed always with an expert
or others in the newsgroup.
%
> > >>
> > >> "Explanation is not argument."
> > >>
> > >>
yes it is
Rod
At least you have dignity. I cannot say that you are satan
in the flesh, and I certainly am not going to say so or tell
Andrew he is wrong for thinking so. What I am going to tell you
is that i believe evil is inherent in the nature of men else
we wouldn't need a Christ to save us from our earned state.
I of course am not convinced that you are a devil in the flesh
and I believe Andrew knows this. However, you would not be my first
mistake in this world but you could be my last, so pardon me if I
proceed with extreme caution.
Would you understand my caution if I were anonymous as are you ?
>
> "Many thanks, much praise, and all the glory to GOD for HIS compelling
> you to unwittingly demonstrate that truth hurts you, satan."
>
> Smile, you know full well the scripture to which the above alludes.
Yes, I do as well, and if I have offended you then please forgive me,
and I will try all the harder to keep from doing it again.
>
> I forgive you, forgive me if I have offended.
>
> God bless.
Look, this charade has gone on long enough. The 2 PD Omer Approach
is working for me, I'm happy seeing the weight melt away, eating less
and I am content to wait and see if it cures the diabetes. If it does
not then so be it, for I have gained much by losing the weight that I
have, and met a brother in Christ. If you also ARE a brother in Christ
then stop hiding from me and let me know it, otherwise I cannot treat
you as a brother if I cannot confirm that you are, after all even a
devil can quote scripture. I seek only to establish a bond between
brothers of the LORD, I don't want your accumulated wealth or your
firstborn child.
Rod
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> satan, via a sockpuppet (corporeal demon), hissed:
> > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
> > > you to unwittingly demonstrate that truth hurts you, satan."
> >
> > Smile, you know full well the scripture to which the above alludes.
>
> Yes, I do as well, and if I have offended you then please forgive me,
> and I will try all the harder to keep from doing it again.
We are not to cover up the light of the truth, Who is LORD Jesus
Christ.
Indeed, we expect satan to be offended by HIS light coming from our
hearts.
Your confronting satan with his dishonesty was a rebuke.
This rebuke did hurt satan as a slap would hurt a man.
Yes, we are to offer the other cheek when slapped.
So, satan mocks you here by offering his other cheek when you rebuked
him.
If you choose to rebuke satan, in Jesus' awesome name, it will hurt
him so badly that it would be like our being struck in the face with
an aluminum alloy baseball bat. There would be no other cheek to offer
after the whole face is torn off.
May GOD bless you in HIS mighty way making you healthier (hungrier)
than ever.
Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,
Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Cardiologist
tr...@is-best.com
>>
>> I forgive you, forgive me if I have offended.
>>
>> God bless.
>
> Look, this charade has gone on long enough. The 2 PD Omer Approach
> is working for me, I'm happy seeing the weight melt away, eating less
> and I am content to wait and see if it cures the diabetes. If it does
> not then so be it, for I have gained much by losing the weight that I
> have, and met a brother in Christ. If you also ARE a brother in Christ
> then stop hiding from me and let me know it, otherwise I cannot treat
> you as a brother if I cannot confirm that you are, after all even a
> devil can quote scripture. I seek only to establish a bond between
> brothers of the LORD, I don't want your accumulated wealth or your
> firstborn child.
>
I'm a christian. But just because andrew uses pious quips in his posts
doesn't make his trash two pound diet valid. Nor does it make his false
teachings any less so.
You lost weight because by accident of what you chose to include in the
two pounds it is less then the calories your height and physical
activity level require. That is how any effective diet works.
Given another height and physical activity level, you could also gain
weight on those two pounds or a different choice of what goes in the two
pounds.
Using actual food charts I and others have many times pointed this out
to andrew. But to him the two pounds is a magical number and so he
asserts it is correct. Have you seen his claim that because "omer" is
mentioned in exodus 16:16, which adds up to 32 and is two pounds is
proof of his assertions?
I and others have many times shown him incorrect, an omer is not a
neasyre iof weight but of volume and was used to measure volumes of
grain. It has nothing to do with two pounds. He first had the two in
mind and later married it to the omer based on a false understanding of
what it is.
No diet will cure diabetes. His assertions in this area have no basis
in science that he can provide. You can reverse your metabolic numbrs
greatly by weight loss and careful attention to what you eat but it will
not be a cure. All you would need do is to have a standard glucose test
and it would show a clear diagnosis of diabetes.
There is nothing about two pounds that has any connection in the least
to a cure for diabetes. His entire obsession about vat is one of those
things that has a half truth in it. But as he often does he expands
that half truth to make it something it is not. I have presented the
research to show how his claim about vat is not valid as he uses it. He
just ignores it because of his obsession.
It was exactly for a person like yourself that I bother to respond and
correct andrew. When one is not up on the science of the matter it is
easy to be taken in. Also because he adds his religious quips people
give him greater leeway if they are also religious. But the two,ie the
science and his religious statements, have nothing to do with each
other.
If one is critical of his trash science then he comes back to say it is
because of his religion, not so. If one shows the error of his false
self invented religious teachings he likewise attacks as you see
clearly. I would be happy to discuss his false teachings if you
wish,ex. the use of the pagan "chi" and others.
You are not the first person with religious faith to be taken in. But
when any of those before came to question his posts and assertions and
question them, then he turned on them likewise. It is to be his way or
you are an enemy of God. Test this for yourself, ask him if he sins.
God bless.
Rod
I believe Andrew said "may" cure type 2, but this is my fault as i do
not recall all of the post correctly.
> You can reverse your metabolic numbrs
> greatly by weight loss and careful attention to what you eat but it will
> not be a cure. All you would need do is to have a standard glucose test
> and it would show a clear diagnosis of diabetes.
Yet this is the point where science leaves me flat and hanging, with
no answer for the problem. Andrew provided an answer via faith in God,
and i want to go that route. Some may consider me a zealot, but the same
can be said of those with a firm trust in science.
>
> There is nothing about two pounds that has any connection in the least
> to a cure for diabetes. His entire obsession about vat is one of those
> things that has a half truth in it. But as he often does he expands
> that half truth to make it something it is not. I have presented the
> research to show how his claim about vat is not valid as he uses it. He
> just ignores it because of his obsession.
>
> It was exactly for a person like yourself that I bother to respond and
> correct andrew. When one is not up on the science of the matter it is
> easy to be taken in. Also because he adds his religious quips people
> give him greater leeway if they are also religious. But the two,ie the
> science and his religious statements, have nothing to do with each
> other.
Okay, I accept as truth that you respond from concern for others. No,
I am not up on all the medical science, but I wasn't born to the world
unable to learn, so I will make the hearty attempt to get up to speed,
and that may take some of the strain off of Andrew having to explain
things to a younger brother in Christ. I can be a pain.
>
> If one is critical of his trash science then he comes back to say it is
> because of his religion, not so. If one shows the error of his false
> self invented religious teachings he likewise attacks as you see
> clearly. I would be happy to discuss his false teachings if you
> wish,ex. the use of the pagan "chi" and others.
My mind is open here. I have put some time and effort into
understanding this chi thing, and though the idea may have had pagan
use, the root of it's existence is far from being a pagan creation,
for anything to do with the human body has it's roots with God Almighty.
And I must hand it to the Chinese for uncovering it's existence, else
we might all remain ignorant of it as we once were of gunpowder. I am
working towards learning more. it will take time but some of these
things are new to me.
>
> You are not the first person with religious faith to be taken in.
I do not feel taken in. Many times you just have to exercise faith
in the face of dark moments when doubt tries to creep in. I believe
you when to say you are Christian, but being Christian doesn't make
a person immune from the humaness living within them, so mistakes
we will all make.
> But
> when any of those before came to question his posts and assertions and
> question them, then he turned on them likewise. It is to be his way or
> you are an enemy of God. Test this for yourself, ask him if he sins.
It is evident that you do not understand the relationship created
when the Holy Spirit indwells a man. He becomes as one with the man,
you harm one, you harm both.
I do not plan to lose either in my lifetime.
Now you should have gain some understanding of why Andrew
believes you are under the influence of satan. Your disbelief
would lead me to my death were i not wise to it. God prepared
me ahead of your coming.
I guess I am a zealot after all, or is it just simple trust
in God ?
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> satan via a sockpuppet (corporeal demon) hissed:
>
You have recalled correctly.
Moreover, the 2PD-OMER Approach is not a diet:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love/TheTruth
> > You can reverse your metabolic numbrs
> > greatly by weight loss and careful attention to what you eat but it will
> > not be a cure. All you would need do is to have a standard glucose test
> > and it would show a clear diagnosis of diabetes.
>
> Yet this is the point where science leaves me flat and hanging, with
> no answer for the problem. Andrew provided an answer via faith in God,
> and i want to go that route. Some may consider me a zealot, but the same
> can be said of those with a firm trust in science.
Those who would have a brother in Christ leave his walk with Christ
are not Christians.
> > There is nothing about two pounds that has any connection in the least
> > to a cure for diabetes. His entire obsession about vat is one of those
> > things that has a half truth in it. But as he often does he expands
> > that half truth to make it something it is not. I have presented the
> > research to show how his claim about vat is not valid as he uses it. He
> > just ignores it because of his obsession.
> >
> > It was exactly for a person like yourself that I bother to respond and
> > correct andrew. When one is not up on the science of the matter it is
> > easy to be taken in. Also because he adds his religious quips people
> > give him greater leeway if they are also religious. But the two,ie the
> > science and his religious statements, have nothing to do with each
> > other.
>
> Okay, I accept as truth that you respond from concern for others.
If the latter were true, you would have witnessed this
"christian" (sp) informing others about LORD Jesus Christ because we,
as Christians, are more concerned about the immortal soul than the
mortal body.
It is satan's lie that the state of the soul has no effect on the
body.
> No,
> I am not up on all the medical science, but I wasn't born to the world
> unable to learn, so I will make the hearty attempt to get up to speed,
> and that may take some of the strain off of Andrew having to explain
> things to a younger brother in Christ. I can be a pain.
Past discussions about the scientific basis of the information that
that Holy Spirit has guided me to write remain as archived in Google
as indexed here:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit
It remains my choice to continue to receive the guidance of the Holy
Spirit in everything I say, do, and write.
This is done by dying to self daily in order to remain a new creature
in HIM.
And, so this sinner has stopped sinning by seeking out and being in
GOD's perfect will.
"Stop sinning." -- LORD Jesus Christ to HIS brethren.
Amen.
It is satan's lie that the brethren of LORD Jesus Christ continue to
sin.
There is no sin in doing the will of GOD.
> > If one is critical of his trash science then he comes back to say it is
> > because of his religion, not so. If one shows the error of his false
> > self invented religious teachings he likewise attacks as you see
> > clearly. I would be happy to discuss his false teachings if you
> > wish,ex. the use of the pagan "chi" and others.
>
> My mind is open here. I have put some time and effort into
> understanding this chi thing, and though the idea may have had pagan
> use, the root of it's existence is far from being a pagan creation,
> for anything to do with the human body has it's roots with God Almighty.
>
> And I must hand it to the Chinese for uncovering it's existence, else
> we might all remain ignorant of it as we once were of gunpowder. I am
> working towards learning more. it will take time but some of these
> things are new to me.
All praises and glory belong to GOD here because it is HIS breath that
is our "life force energy," which is Chi/Qi.
The existence of HIS breath is as written in the Bible.
> > You are not the first person with religious faith to be taken in.
>
> I do not feel taken in.
You have not been deceived by what is written in the Bible.
However, without the Holy Spirit, there is the spirit of error (self)
that will deceive you.
This is why it is important to be reborn of Christ's living water and
the Holy Spirit followed by dying to self daily.
> Many times you just have to exercise faith
> in the face of dark moments when doubt tries to creep in. I believe
> you when to say you are Christian, but being Christian doesn't make
> a person immune from the humaness living within them, so mistakes
> we will all make.
The sockpuppet of satan has written that it is "christian" (sp) and
not that it is either Christian or a brother in Christ.
Many thanks, much praise, and all the glory to GOD for HIS compelling
satan to unwittingly make this telling error.
GOD provides tells for the discerning to spot satan's lies as they
occur.
The biggest tell of all here is its anonymity.
> > But
> > when any of those before came to question his posts and assertions and
> > question them, then he turned on them likewise. It is to be his way or
> > you are an enemy of God. Test this for yourself, ask him if he sins.
>
> It is evident that you do not understand the relationship created
> when the Holy Spirit indwells a man. He becomes as one with the man,
> you harm one, you harm both.
Actually, HE keeps us from harm.
> I do not plan to lose either in my lifetime.
"These who do MY Father's will are MY family." -- LORD Jesus Christ
Amen.
These who do the will of GOD have stopped sinning.
> Now you should have gain some understanding of why Andrew
> believes you are under the influence of satan. Your disbelief
> would lead me to my death were i not wise to it. God prepared
> me ahead of your coming.
>
> I guess I am a zealot after all, or is it just simple trust
> in God ?
Such is our faith in GOD.
It has nothing to with religion (ie not religious faith, which is a
lie of satan) and everything to do with love.
Love never fails.
May GOD bless you in HIS mighty way making you healthier (hungrier)
than ever:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/PressRelease
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tr...@is-best.com
recall all of the post correctly.
He wanders all over the place on this, sometimes qualified and
sometimes a bald unsupported assertion of "cure".
> You can reverse your metabolic numbrs
> greatly by weight loss and careful attention to what you eat but it
will
> not be a cure. All you would need do is to have a standard glucose
test
> and it would show a clear diagnosis of diabetes.
"Yet this is the point where science leaves me flat and hanging, with no
answer for the problem. Andrew provided an answer via faith in God, and i
want to go that route. Some may consider me a zealot, but the same can be
said of those with a firm trust in science."
And this is where people feeling vulnerable get taken by frauds who know
and use this against them for their own ends. Andrew evokes science also if
you recall, but without research in support. His pious quips don't add
anything to his assertions.
I would be happy to discuss his false teachings if you
> wish,ex. the use of the pagan "chi" and others.
My mind is open here. I have put some time and effort into understanding
this chi thing, and though the idea may have had pagan use, the root of
it's existence is far from being a pagan creation, for anything to do with
the human body has it's roots with God Almighty.
And I must hand it to the Chinese for uncovering it's existence, else we
might all remain ignorant of it as we once were of gunpowder. I am working
towards learning more. it will take time but some of these things are new
to me."
"Chi" is a core belief of the false religion of taoism. When you accept it
as a reality you affirm that religion. "Chi" has no reality, it is a
superstition that doesn't relate to christian orthodox teaching in the
least. It is an example of a "new age religion" notion. Many other
eastern religions have a similar idea.
"Chi" is not the Holy Spirit nor does it come from it. Discuss this with
your pastor. This is where andrew gets off track. He refuses to discuss
his false and even heretical teachings with anyone other them himself for
confirmation in orthodox teaching. He is an authorty unto himself. Lone
ranger scripture readers have long been the source of false teachings and
heresy with such an external to themselves measure of orthodoxy.
> You are not the first person with religious faith to be taken in.
I do not feel taken in. Many times you just have to exercise faith in the
face of dark moments when doubt tries to creep in. I believe you when to
say you are Christian, but being Christian doesn't make a person immune
from the humaness living within them, so mistakes we will all make."
How would you know if you have been taken in? Discuss this with your
pastor. You too need a measure external to yourself to avoid andrew's
mistakes.
> But
> when any of those before came to question his posts and
assertions and
> question them, then he turned on them likewise. It is to
be his way or
> you are an enemy of God. Test this for yourself, ask him
if he sins.
"It is evident that you do not understand the relationship created when the
Holy Spirit indwells a man. He becomes as one with the man, you harm one,
you harm both.
I do not plan to lose either in my lifetime.
Now you should have gain some understanding of why Andrew believes you are
under the influence of satan. Your disbelief would lead me to my death were
i not wise to it. God prepared me ahead of your coming.
Just ask him if he sins. His answer has nothing to do with me. Your
conclusions about me are irrelevant. If he says he sins we know one thing,
if he says no then we know another. I am not the measure of him, his
answer and what scritture says about such is. Ask him. Are we not told to
test the spirits, since you claim that he has a spirit that is one with
him. Ask him and let his answer tell us.
As for your belief system mentioned above, there is nothing new in it I did
not know previously. As to your conclusion about my supposed "disbelief"
then you are in error. I know why andrew thinks satan has someting to do
with me, it is not what you think either that causes him to do so. Other
christians clearly as spiritual and ernest as you have encountered his
judgement before. If you do not agree with him then for him you are an
agent of satan. He sets himself up as judge alone based soley on to what
degree you accept without question his notions .
God bless.
dsolo
And, so this sinner has stopped sinning by seeking out and being in
GOD's perfect will. It is satan's lie that the brethren of LORD Jesus
Christ continue to
sin."
(Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD)
***
1 John 1: 8-10
If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is
not in us.
If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our
sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is
not in us.
***
Andrew... if we claim we have not sinned, we are calling God a liar
and showing that his word has no place in our hearts.
Historic, orthodox Christian doctrine has never held that those who
believe in Jesus Christ are sinless. Sinless perfection or entire
sanctification has always been regarded as false doctrine, is refuted
by scripture, and was never believed or taught by Christ or His
apostles. Much of the foundation of the Christian church was formed
during the first four centuries. "The faith once delivered to the
saints" is clearly affirmed in its ancient creeds.
flyingrat
heart...@emorycardiology.com says...
> It remains my choice to continue to receive the guidance of the Holy
> Spirit in everything I say, do, and write.
Andrew Chung:
Is a frequent and proven liar (evidence archived forever on Google)
Has lost numerous NNTP accounts with supernews and others, has had many
Google accounts nuked, and his vanity domain heartmdphd.com is now
banned from setting up accounts. He is instead using multiple Google
sock accounts and email addresses in the format love#@thetruth.com (#
being a number)
Is unemployed after being sacked with cause from his one and only job
after just over 80 days
Fled the state of Florida, and now claims to practice in Georgia despite
having no admission priveliges in the State's hospitals
Runs a phony foundation with a total declared income of circa $200, the
ownership and contact details of which are obfuscated on its website
Makes failed prophecies concerning earthquakes with areas and dates,
which don't happen (remember the bible quotes about false prophets)
Performed a public attempt at 'exorcising' a Malaysian sock on usenet,
then denied doing it. He has recently reversed position again and admits
to practicing exorcism by usenet, proving himself a liar in the process.
Promotes a dangerous diet, with a million dollar guarantee that he
demands thirty dollars to access details of. This despite being
unemployed. His soliciting and spamming for donations looks to be
similar to the Nigerian Advance Fee Fraud, where victims pay money
upfront in the hope of coming into riches but find they have merely
bought into a lie. Part of his advice is to pour nail polish remover onto food.
Declares he has a cardiology practice despite posting night and day from
the same IP address (his home presumably) or a coffee shop internet cafe
Makes further false prophecies that we should now be all dying in a bird
flu pandemic. When these fail to happen, he does them all over again and
changes the dates. Nuclear war is another Chung spciality, which
naturally doesn't happen when he says it is going to.
Worships evil hatemonger Fred Phelps and will not denounce the acts of
Westboro's congregation. He even accuses someone with the name Phelps of
being Fred's son and refuses to accept he is completely wrong.
Uses the same patter as Pat Robertson, indicating his religious activity
is confined to watching cable TV. No evidence Chung has ever attended a
church.
Has a tendency to cyberstalk, particularly women. His wife fled some
time ago to another state, an act which Chung tries to pass off as "being
on vacation".
Frequently passes himself off as being qualified in areas such as
endocrinology, despite making incredibly fundamental blunders in his
'advice'. It is no wonder the Florida heart facility terminated him, and
has publicly denounced his version of events. Again archived on Google.
Don't forget the fake fast, where he didn't lose any weight, as well as
the infamous 666 stamping fiasco. His latest vile trick is spamming the
blogs of dying cancer patients and then crowing triumphantly when they
pass away.
tr...@is-best.com
read once more that we all are liable to sin, past and future tense, as
the last verse shows:
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just, and will forgive our
sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
If we say we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in
us.
My little children, I am writing this to you so that you may not sin;
but if any one does sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus
Christ the righteous; and he is the expiation for our sins, and not for
ours only but also for the sins of the whole world.
We have sinned, we are sinning and we will sin, and if we confess He is
quick to forgive our sin.
The word of the Lord:
Then Peter came up and said to him, "Lord, how often shall my brother
sin
against me, and I forgive him? As many as seven times?" Jesus said to
him,
"I do not say to you seven times, but seventy times seven."
God bless and protect you and provide peace.
Lord Jesus Christ, son of God, have mercy on me a sinner.
dsolo
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> satan via a sockpuppet (corporeal demon) hissed:
> >
> >
> > <lies about it being OK to keep sinning as long as one keeps confessing>
>
> Amen : )
It saddens me to observe how your ears itch for what you want to hear
rather than for the truth.
"Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect." -- LORD
Jesus Christ to HIS brethren (Matthew 5:48)
Amen.
May GOD bless you in HIS mighty way making you healthier (hungrier)
than ever:
http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/PressRelease
JESUS WAS A COCKSUCKER!
It is evident that you do not understand the relationship created
when the Holy Spirit indwells a man. He becomes as one with the man,
you harm one, you harm both.
end insane shit.
your fucking a loony toon dude-i mean REALLY FUCKING SCARY LOONIE!
Rod
* and were consistent with the assignment.
*
* After his arrest, Mr. Feuer was ordered not to have contact with his
* daughter and could not stay at his home while the prosecution's
* investigation continued.
*
* The order was lifted last April, but David Ruhnke, Mr. Feuer's lawyer,
* said "It's really difficult to overstate what a nightmare this has
* been for him."
*
* Mr. Ruhnke further complained that the judge revealed Mr. Feuer's name
* in court papers while he was still making motions to dismiss the case,
* to protect the girl.
Parents charged with child pornography for taking photos of their children.
Thought Police.
----
We netizens are rightfully paranoid of the
American government, because it has no scruples.
What the FBI did to photographer Jock Sturges was criminal.
Excerpt from 'TO: A Journal of Poetry, Prose + the Visual Arts', Summer 1992:
* Hounded by the Federal Bureau of Investigation in a bizarre witch-hunt
* at an expense to the taxpayers of over a million dollars, Sturges had
* survived an attempt to destroy his life and his work and was now
* countersuing the agency.
*
* Recapitulated briefly, Sturges, who's based in San Francisco, has for
* years been photographing young people whose families practice nudity.
*
* He's done so with his subjects' permission, as well as that of their
* parents, who often appear in the photographs along with their offspring.
* Rejecting the use of standard model releases, with their blanket
* permissions, the photograph
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
*
* Users may need a "spare key" to recover information that is lost or
* otherwise inaccessible, in much the same way that we give a trusted
* neighbor a spare key to our house...and the U.S. will have that key.
The government says in case you lose you own decryption key,
they will be there to save the day with their LE key. (Key Recovery
has a 'Law Enforcement' key, which is a SECOND key to decrypt the
same traffic.)
Without getting into a lot of technical detail, basically,
the LE KEY = Your Key.
So, because they have a separate but equivalent key, they are claiming
to be your emergency backup key, like a key left with a neighbor.
People who have no idea how computer systems work will
think like that sounds like a reasonable thing.
Like a "good faith attempt to balance...".
Now picture it being YOUR business.
You have a cryptographic key that needs to be protected.
The key itself is a big number you can't memorize.
The key itself is protected by a (MD5-like) password to
unlock access to it. That means the password can be as long
a thing as you'd like to type in, not merely a short password.
As long as you can remember it.
This is standard...MIT's Kerberos and Phil Zimmerman's PGP
use a password to unlock the cryptographic key.
So, how do you back up the key without GAK?
In other words, what do all companies do for this situation now?
A situation that applies to all company data whether or not it is encrypted.
A situation that has existed since the invention of the computer.
Simple.
You back it up.
Make backups of the key.
You can start by making your own key copy using off-site secure storage backup.
Several authorized people can have a copy of the key, and
Rod
Phil Aypee
Our other friend wrote:
帆 Our friend from atlanta (sic) needs to stop dancing upon the head of a
帆 pin and . . . . etc.
As far as I can see this has exactly nothing to do with cardiology, diabetes or even health in general.
I have nothing against religious belief but people use these groups to learn about *health*.
If they want evangelical crap (crap is my opinion) there are other, more appropriate fora.
Evangelism here is actively damaging people by preventing them from receiving advice and help.
I'm sure most evangelists don't want this - but some obviously do.
They should stop trying to kill me and try to heal themselves.
Take care,
Phil.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
>
> Andrew,
>
> >"It saddens me to observe how your ears itch for what you want to hear rather than for the truth."
>
Nor are they GOD's ideas.
> Your argument is with
> foundational elements of historic orthodox Christianity.
GOD's purpose for me here remains to inform and not to argue.
> Christians have historically regarded the Old and New Testaments as
> progressive revelation. Accurate understanding of any specific text is
> bound by the rules of context.
... and requires the counsel of the Holy Spirit.
> In any language, texts used apart from their proper context are
> pretexts for errors.
Without the guidance of the Holy Spirit, there can be only error.
> Please provide link(s) to your church/ pastor and/or denominational
> association(s), and doctrinal statement(s) that describe what/why it
> is that you do, and don't believe.
The only Priest Whom I recognize is of the order of Melchizedek. That
which the Holy Spirit guides me to write here are your links to what I
believe:
http://abchung.livejournal.com/1176.html?thread=10136#t10136
Those who search the Scriptures with hearts made discerning by the
Holy Spirit know the truth, Who is LORD Jesus Christ.
> Many thanks
Thanks be to the LORD of Hosts, Creator of heaven and earth.
Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be blessed:
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
>
> Dr. Chung,
>
> Thank you for your response.
Thanks be to GOD, Whom I love with all my heart, soul, mind, and
strength:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/fear.asp
Reverently fear GOD and dread nothing that is of this world:
http://TruthRUS.org/DreadNought
> I had hoped for a different outcome, but you are entitled to your opinions.
It remains my choice to continue to receive the guidance of the Holy
Spirit in everything I say, do, and write.
> You have proven yourself to be
> duplicitous and evasive, not informative.
It remains my choice to continue writing truthfully.
Your false witness is forgiven by me.
> It is now clear to me there
> is nothing to be gained by further dialog with you. There is no reason
> for anyone to regard your posts as worthy of consideration.
Without the LORD, your opinion is meaningless (Ecclesiates).
The brethren of LORD Jesus Christ are neither perfect (without sin)
nor more special...
... we are simply forgiven by GOD:
http://www.interviewwithgod.com/forgiven/
May you wisely choose to be forgiven too by publicly declaring with
your mouth that "Jesus is LORD:"
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/TheWay
JESUS WAS A COCKSUCKER!
"Rod" <kc0...@att.net> wrote in message
news:LK4Bi.560$Sd4...@nlpi061.nbdc.sbc.com...
not gonna happen retard.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
>
> Dr. Chung,
>
> Thank you for your response.
Thanks be to GOD.
> >"Are you serious? Why are you talking to this kook?" (Alan S)
> >"You were right. I'm sorry... I offer my sincere apologies." (dsolo)
>
> I agree with Alan S in that nothing is to be gained by dialog with
> you.
Again, your participation in name-calling simply shows that the Holy
Spirit is absolutely right to convict and chasten you:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts
Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be blessed:
http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/PressRelease
Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
> > "It remains my choice to continue writing truthfully."
>
GOD is the Source of all wisdom.
> Please try to communicate in a concise and cogent manner.
It remains my choice to continue to receive the guidance of the Holy
Spirit in everything I say, do, and write.
Without the guidance of the Holy Spirit, you will remain ever seeing
and not perceiving.
And, so you will remain in my prayers, dear neighbor Dale whom I love
unconditionally.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
>
> Dr. Chung,
>
> You are entitled to your opinion.
Observation is not opinion.
Bottom line:
You are untruthful.
This simply affirms that the Holy Spirit is absolutely right to
convict you:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts
May GOD bless you in HIS mighty way making you healthier (hungrier)
than ever:
http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/PressRelease
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >
>
> Dr. Chung,
>
> Please do not be evasive.
Have not been.
Your false witness is forgiven by me.
> Again, I respectfully ask, "Have you ever suffered a TBI ?"
Would not be "Again" for I did not reach your question because of your
being untruthful.
The answer to your question is "No."
LORD Jesus Christ has kept me from ever suffering a traumatic brain
injury (TBI).
Laus Deo !
"Now, stop sinning or something much worse will happen to you." --
Holy Spirit.
Amen.
The brethren of LORD Jesus Christ are neither perfect nor more
special...
... we are simply forgiven by GOD:
http://www.interviewwithgod.com/forgiven/
May you wisely choose to be forgiven too by publicly declaring with
your mouth that "Jesus is LORD:"
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/TheWay
Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
>
> Dr. Chung,
>
> Many thanks for your reply.
You are welcome, Dale :-)
Redirecting all thanks and praises to GOD so that we will be that much
more blessed (hungrier).
> I am happy the LORD Jesus Christ has kept you from ever suffering a
> traumatic brain injury (TBI).
LORD Jesus Christ is uniquely singular so that "the" is not necessary.
> Your false witness against me is forgiven.
Forgiving you for your false witness against me is not bearing false
witness against you.
Nonetheless, many thanks, much praise, and all the glory to GOD for
HIS compelling you to forgive me for pointing out your trespass
against me.
Laus Deo !
This simply shows that the Holy Spirit is absolutely right to convict
you:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts
> May God continue to heal your mind, for with Him all things are
> possible.
In my ever closer walk with LORD Jesus Christ, HE continues to keep me
completely well.
Sadly, with your being stricken with diabetes, the same can not be
written about you.
Truly, It remains my hope that HE will heal you after you have
repented (the soul is definitely worth more than the body as it is
written):
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/TheWay
Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be blessed:
http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/PressRelease
Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
>
> Dr. Chung,
>
> >"LORD Jesus Christ is uniquely singular so that "the" is not necessary."
>
LORD Jesus Christ is uniquely singular simply because HE is and not
because of my choice.
> But to say "The Lord" is both accurate and scriptural.
Correct.
LORD Jesus Christ is "the Lord"...
... more specifically, HE is LORD of lords and KING of kings.
> I prefer to follow the example of Thomas in John 20:28, who falls at
> Jesus' feet, exclaiming, "My Lord and my God!"
>
> In the Greek: Ho Kurios mou kai ho Theos mou - literally, "The Lord of
> me and the God of me!"
>
> There are many other examples.
Your use of the article "the" before HIS name, "Lord Jesus Christ," is
simply a tell that allow those with hearts made discerning by the Holy
Spirit know that you have not been having a personal relationship with
HIM.
> Do you believe those who suffer from diabetes are stricken by God?
No.
In the Holy Spirit, I know that those who suffer with type-2 diabetes
have acquired their condition by overeating (eating more than 32
ounces of food per day). The latter has happened because of an
irrational compulsion to drive away hunger by overeating. The source
of this irrational compulsion is satan's lie that hunger is bad
especially when his lie is entrenched in our hearts:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/PressRelease
Thus, those who suffer from type-2 diabetes have been stricken by
having satan's lies about hunger being bad in their hearts.
> Best regards
It remains my hope that GOD drives out satan's lies from your heart so
that you will no longer have that irrational compulsion to overeat
(eat until stomach stretched killing the hunger) that is killing you.
VAT is bad.
Truly, it is only when we are hungry (stomachs singing and laughing
loudly :-) that our bodies get rid of the VAT that is causing
inflammation everywhere thereby promoting the insulin resistance (IR/
MetS) that undergirds type-2 diabetes.
Hunger is wonderful :-)
flyingrat
heart...@emorycardiology.com says...
> In the Holy Spirit, I know that those who suffer with type-2 diabetes
> have acquired their condition by overeating (eating more than 32
> ounces of food per day). The latter has happened because of an
> irrational compulsion to drive away hunger by overeating. The source
> of this irrational compulsion is satan's lie that hunger is bad
> especially when his lie is entrenched in our hearts:
Matthew 5:6 - Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for
righteousness, for they shall be satisfied.
Luke 6:21, 25 - Blessed are you who are hungry now, for you shall be
satisfied. . . Woe to you who are full now, for you shall be hungry.
Both these quotes from the Bible, and both infer that God (or Jesus)
considers hunger to be BAD.
Those who are hungry (for food or spiritual matters) will have the BAD
hunger removed, and those who are 'full' will be made hungry because
hunger is BAD.
"Woe to you who are full now, for you shall be hungry" means HUNGER IS
BAD
Chung twists these quotes to sell his diet and gain fraudulent donations
for his one-man charity. No wonder he dare not set foot inside a church.
The Two Pound Diet is based on a lie, and Chung distorts scripture to
sell it. Expect him to either run away screerching and howling, or do a
furious little foot-stamping jig on Bob Pastorio's grave. Either way
Chung's core lies are exposed and the VICTORY is for the TRUTH of his
vile ways.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
>
> Dr. Chung,
>
> >"Your use of the article "the" before HIS name, "Lord Jesus Christ," is simply a tell that allow those with hearts made discerning by the Holy Spirit know that you have not been having a personal relationship with HIM."
>
The tell is yours and not mine.
> I have been walking with my Lord and Savior longer than you have been alive.
Walking with HIM in the here and now is more important than the
duration of past walks.
Afterall, the thief that received Jesus' salvation at the cross did so
at the last minute to conclude a walk with Jesus that lasted for less
than a day.
> You are incorrect. The article "the" was not my use.
Would suggest you review what you have written.
> The Holy Spirit
> is the divine author of all Bible scripture.
Indeed, HE is GOD and has breathed the Bible into existence.
HE is the Author of all reality including the alternate ones.
> The Bible is God's word,
> not merely man's word... none came by the impulse of man.
Correct.
> All of it
> (Old and New Testaments) is truth from God as men moved by the Holy
> Spirit spoke from God.
Correct.
> "First of all you must understand this, that no prophecy of scripture
> is a matter of one's own interpretation, because no prophecy ever came
> by the impulse of man, but men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from
> God." (2 Peter 1:20-21)
Amen.
> "All scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for
> reproof, for correction and for training in righteousness." (2 Timothy
> 3:16)
Amen.
> >"It remains my hope that GOD drives out satan's lies from your heart so that you will no longer have that irrational compulsion to overeat (eat until stomach stretched killing the hunger) that is killing you."
>
> You are mistaken. I have never had any irrational compulsions.
It is expected that you would not be aware of it for such is the
nature of the great delusion that GOD has allowed to arise from
satan's deception.
> Do you believe if an individual walks ever closer with the Lord Jesus
> Christ, He will keep a Christian completely free from diabetes?
Look through the Bible and search through the written accounts
concerning the health of all those who walked closely with our LORD
Jesus Christ.
It should be clear to all that GOD chastens us with either illness or
infirmity when we stray from our close walk with HIM.
> Thanks again... I am grateful for your devotion to help those with
> heart disease and diabetes.
You are welcome, Dale.
Redirecting all thanks and praises to GOD so that we will both be that
much more blessed (hungrier).
Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
>
> Dr. Chung,
>
> >"You are incorrect. The article "the" was not my use." (dsolo)
> >"Would suggest you review what you have written." (Andrew B. Chung)
>
> I suggest you carefully re-read what I have written.
>
> To say, "The Lord" is both accurate and scriptural. The definite
> article "the" is noted in the oldest scripture texts, authored by the
> Holy Spirit.
>
> In the Greek: Ho Kurios mou kai ho Theos mou - literally means, "The
> Lord of me and the God of me!"
>
>
> There are many other examples of "The Lord".
There are fewer examples of "the Lord Jesus Christ" which is your
usage. None in the four Gospels.
> >"Walking with HIM in the here and now is more important than the duration of past walks." (Andrew B. Chung)
>
> To further clarify: I am now, and have been, walking with my Lord and
> Savior longer than you have been alive.
>
> It is unwise to denigrate an older Christian's experience.
Your false witness is forgiven by me.
> >"Do you believe if an individual walks ever closer with the Lord Jesus Christ, He will keep a Christian completely free from diabetes?" (dsolo)
>
> >"Look through the Bible and search through the written accounts concerning the health of all those who walked closely with our LORD Jesus Christ. It should be clear to all that GOD chastens us with either illness or infirmity when we stray from our close walk with HIM." (Andrew B. Chung)
>
> The world is not God's ideal. The Bible teaches that this world is a
> sinful, fallen world, full of disease, poverty, hardship and evil. Our
> bodies are not immortal or invincible, there is bound to be disease
> and trials. The Scripture must be understood in its full context, not
> just selections that appeal to our preconceived ideas.
In truth, I have not given "just selections that appeal to our
preconceived ideas."
Instead, I have left it open for your diligent search and study.
> Texts used apart from their proper context are pretexts for errors.
There is no error in the counsel of the Holy Spirit.
> A close walk with God does not equate with freedom from illness or
> infirmity.
A close walk with LORD Jesus Christ does equate with freedom from
illness and infirmity.
Simply touching the hem of HIS robe is curative. Simply hearing HIS
voice is curative even for death.
> The apostle Paul wasn't healed, though he prayed earnestly and
> faithfully (2 Corinthians 12:89).
No such 89th verse in the 12th chapter of 2nd Corinthians. Moreover,
we are not given the details of Paul's problem so that we do not know
if it was even either illness or infirmity.
> Jesus taught that it was not the blind man's lack of faith that
> hindered his being healed. Rather, he was born blind "that the works
> of God should be revealed in him" (John 9:3).
Correct. One does not miss what one has never had. This absence of
suffering is evidence of both GOD's infinite grace and HIS infinite
mercy.
Many thanks, much praise, and all the glory to GOD for HIS compelling
you to unwittingly give me an opportunity to testify about HIM in the
Holy Spirit to reveal something not known to the world previously.
"When there is suffering from being stricken, know that there is
chastening from GOD for straying from HIS perfect will." -- Holy
Spirit
Amen
> And despite the apostle Paul's divine ability to heal others (Acts
> 28:9), later he apparently could not heal either Epaphroditus
> (Philippians 2:25) or Trophimus (2 Timothy 4:20).
Paul's ability is not his own but GOD's.
GOD's will be done and not our wills.
The servant is never greater than the Master.
> It clearly was not unbelief that brought Job's sickness on him. (Job 1:1)
It was satan.
Just as your diabetes is from satan.
May you discern why GOD removed HIS hedge of protection from around
you just as HE had done so in Job's case.
It is written that in Job's case it was *not* because of lack of
righteousness however the suffering did not start until Job strayed
from GOD's perfect will during satan's attacks.
> In addition, when Timothy asked for healing for his stomach and
> frequent illnesses, the apostle Paul instructs him to drink a little
> wine. (I Tim. 5:23)
Simply shows that a close walk with Paul is **not** a close walk with
LORD Jesus Christ.
> In conclusion, I have noticed you quote Billy Graham, an elder
> Christian, in your website. For that you have my respect. Yet I know
> Billy Graham does not believe or teach your peculiar beliefs.
It remains my choice to continue to receive the guidance of the Holy
Spirit in everything I say, do, and write.
> Again, you said,
>
> "In my ever closer walk with LORD Jesus Christ, HE continues to keep
> me
> completely well."
>
> "Look through the Bible and search through the written accounts
> concerning the health of all those who walked closely with our LORD
> Jesus Christ. It should be clear to all that GOD chastens us with
> either illness or infirmity when we stray from our close walk with
> HIM."
>
> Therefore I ask you: Do you imagine your faith and fellowship with the
> Lord Jesus Christ greater than that of Billy Graham?
No.
It remains my choice to not judge others per the kind and helpful
suggestion of LORD Jesus Christ (Matthew 7:1-2).
> Prayerfully
> consider the following words, for they stand in stunning contrast to
> the arrogance of your spiritual elitism:
Your false witness is forgiven by me.
> "Over Billy Graham's long life he has endured some serious medical
> crises. He now has Parkinson's disease and prostate cancer and a shunt
> to drain excess water from his brain. "I'm thankful for the incredible
> advances in medicine that have taken place during my lifetime. I
> almost certainly wouldn't still be here if it weren't for them," he
> says. "And I believe God has given them to us because he loves us and
> wants what is best for us, both in this life and the next. But death
> is a reality common to us all, and for me as a Christian it isn't
> something to be feared, because I know what lies ahead for me beyond
> the grave."
>
> ( Excerpt from Ruth and Billy Graham's Final Farewell - By Nancy Gibbs
> and Micheal Duffy)
>
> May we all be so wise and humble.
"... death is a reality common to us all..." is not true.
Elijah has not tasted death (2 Kings 2:10-12).
Moreover, many of HIS brethren will meet Jesus Christ in the air when
HE physically returns.
"If I want him to remain alive until I return, what is that to you?
You must follow me." -- LORD Jesus Christ (John 21:22)
Amen.
Truly, GOD is the Source of all knowledge and wisdom.
Look to HIM for wisdom.
Look to Jesus' life for humility.
Look to the Holy Spirit for guidance.
"With man this is impossible, but with GOD all things are possible."
-- LORD Jesus Christ (Matthew 19:26)
Amen.
May GOD bless you in HIS mighty way making you healthier (hungrier)
than ever:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/PressRelease
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >
>
> Dr. Chung,
>
> Thank you for your responses.
You are welcome, Dale :-)
Redirecting all thanks, praises, and glory to GOD so that we will both
be that much more blessed (hungrier)
> 1) When did you receive Christ as your Lord and Savior?
Many thanks, much praise and all the glory to GOD for HIS compelling
you to give this opportunity to testify about LORD Jesus Christ:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/3db1b32866e013df?
After this prayer in 1972, GOD provided a paperback Bible (a small
miracle for a Catholic household :-) and compelled me to read it so
many times that the pages came apart. Three years later, after
placing my faith in LORD Jesus Christ and confessing this faith with
my mouth, I was baptized and received the Holy Spirit at an
evangelical church after attending summer "vacation Bible school." HE
has been guiding me ever since.
It remains my choice to continue to receive HIS guidance in everything
I say, do, and write.
> 2) What translation(s) of the Bible do you prefer?
NIV
> 3) Do you trust the oldest texts/ words of the Bible?
In the Holy Spirit, the written Word of GOD becomes the living Word of
GOD.
> 4) Do you agree with this ancient Christian confession:
>
> We believe in one God,
> the Father, the Almighty,
> maker of heaven and earth,
> of all that is, seen and unseen.
There is indeed only one GOD, but in 7 persons as described in the
Book of Revelation of LORD Jesus Christ:
Father, Son, Holy Spirit, and the 4 Living Creatures.
> We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ,
> the only Son of God,
> eternally begotten of the Father,
> God from God, Light from Light,
> true God from true God,
> begotten, not made,
> of one Being with the Father.
> Through him all things were made.
> For us and for our salvation
> he came down from heaven:
> by the power of the Holy Spirit
> he became incarnate from the Virgin Mary,
> and was made man.
> For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate;
> he suffered death and was buried.
> On the third day he rose again
> in accordance with the Scriptures;
> he ascended into heaven
> and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
> He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead,
> and his kingdom will have no end.
Amen.
> We believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life,
> who proceeds from the Father and the Son.
> With the Father and the Son he is worshiped and glorified.
> He has spoken through the Prophets.
Amen.
HE is the "Power from on High" that cloaks the brethren of LORD Jesus
Christ in the here and now so that we can know and do HIS perfect
will.
The Holy Spirit is GOD.
HIS breath is the "life force energy" of Jesus' brethren, so that we
remain reborn of Christ's living water and the Holy Spirit.
> We believe in one holy catholic and apostolic Church.
The assembly of Jesus' brethren is HIS Church and encompasses all
denominations including the Catholic denomination.
The name of HIS Church is "love."
"Love one another as I have loved you." -- LORD Jesus Christ
Amen.
> We acknowledge one baptism for the forgiveness of sins.
It is written that there are two baptisms.
The first is with water for repentance (forgiveness of sins) as
performed by John the Baptist.
The second is with the Holy Spirit as performed by LORD Jesus Christ.
Thankfully, I have received the latter baptism.
> We look for the resurrection of the dead,
> and the life of the world to come. Amen.
It is written there will be a new heaven, new earth, and new Jerusalem
and our bodies will also be made anew. This is what the Holy Spirit
guides me to look for.
> Are diabetes and heart disease satanic afflictions?
Suffice it to write that these afflictions are arising from satan's
great lie that hunger is bad when deeply rooted in our hearts.
You will remain in my prayers, dear friend whom I love
unconditionally.
tr...@is-best.com
"In the Holy Spirit, I know that those who suffer with type-2 diabetes
have acquired their condition by overeating (eating more than 32
ounces of food per day). The latter has happened because of an"
Incorrect, basic concepts of energy metabolism in living systems show
this to be wrong on its face.
The two pound diet,aka 2 pd etc., ignores calorie content.
Leaving aside level of physical activity, on average each pound of body
weight requires 10 calories to maintain it each day.
Height is a core consideration when deciding how much is too much body
weight.
Even a 4 th grade math student sees the huge flaw in the two pound claim
when considering these facts.
Some two pounds will in some people cause weight gain and in some weight
loss.
If one asserts this information as from the Holy Spirit, then one must
then consider that the one making the claim is incorrect on this point
and on any other which is said to orginate from same.
We were given brains by which to consider what truth can be found in the
creation, God's other revelation. In such measure the claims of our
atlanta friend are refuted.
God bless.
JESUS WAS A COCKSUCKER!
<tr...@is-best.com> wrote in message
news:46d97995$0$261$1c46...@selenium.club.cc.cmu.edu...
no one sneezed.
and the truth is figured out by those of us with real brains-no gods
required-nor wanted-nor needed.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
>
> Dr. Chung,
>
> Again, many thanks for sharing.
You are again welcome, Dale :-)
Redirecting all thanks, praises, and glory to GOD so that we will both
be that much more blessed (hungrier).
> I know you believe the Bible was authored by God, and His words are
> true.
>
> The grass withers, the flower fades, But the word of our God stands
> forever.
> (Isaiah 40:8)
Amen.
> Yet, you avoid saying, "the Lord Jesus Christ", even though the
> earliest and most accurate ancient texts state in the Greek: Ho Kurios
> mou kai ho Theos mou - literally meaning, "The Lord of me and the God
> of me!" - "My Lord and my God!" (John 20:28). There are a number of
> other examples.
It remains my choice to receive the guidance of the Holy Spirit in
everything I say, do, and write.
> 1) do you regard the four Gospels as being somehow different, or more
> significant, than the remainder of scripture, particularly the New
> Testament?
They are personal accounts of HIS brethren living alongside LORD Jesus
Christ and so should our present reborn lives be with HIM. This is
only possible in the Holy Spirit.
> 2) do you think the great increase of diabetes and heart disease is
> due to a corresponding increase in sin ?
No. The time draws nigh for LORD Jesus Christ's physical return so
that we are all becoming hungrier.
"HE (GOD) humbled you, causing you to hunger..." -- Mose (Deuteronomy
8:3)
It is satan's lies about hunger being bad that burns in our hearts as
GOD humbles us:
http://abchung.livejournal.com/2502.html
> Sola Scriptura
"With man this is impossible, but with GOD all things are possible."
-- LORD Jesus Christ (Matthew 19:26)
Amen.
It remains wiser to seek and receive the counsel of the Holy Spirit in
all things especially in reading and understanding Scripture.
Suggested reading:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/7680e0e88469b039?
Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be blessed:
http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/PressRelease
Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,
dsolo
Something to consider about the New International Version (NIV) of the
Bible:
Jesus Christ says in Luke 4:4 :
"It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by EVERY
WORD of God."
But not according to the NIV. In fact, the NIV removed the last half
of Luke 4:4 -
"BUT BY EVERY WORD OF GOD"!
The Lord Jesus Christ was quoting Deuteronomy 8:3 to satan!
Does the NIV seriously think the Lord Jesus Christ does NOT know Duet.
8:3 ?
Sola Scriptura
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
>
> Something to consider about the New International Version (NIV) of the
> Bible:
>
> Jesus Christ says in Luke 4:4 :
>
> "It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by EVERY
> WORD of God."
>
> But not according to the NIV. In fact, the NIV removed the last half
> of Luke 4:4 -
> "BUT BY EVERY WORD OF GOD"!
However, the NIV did not remove it from Matthew 4:4.
> The Lord Jesus Christ was quoting Deuteronomy 8:3 to satan!
HE quoted only the last third of Deuteronomy 8:3 to draw satan's
attention to the first third of the verse.
In doing this, LORD Jesus Christ informed satan that hunger is coming
from GOD so that though HE may want to eat, for such is hunger, HE
does not need to eat ! ! !
"HE (GOD) humbled you, causing you to hunger..." -- Moses (Deuteronomy
8:3)
> Does the NIV seriously think the Lord Jesus Christ does NOT know Duet.
> 8:3 ?
In the Holy Spirit, I know that GOD allowed it because it actually
underscores the importance of understanding the first third of
Deuteronomy 8:3 if one is to understand how LORD Jesus Christ soundly
defeated satan's attempt to plant his lie about hunger in Jesus' heart
to have Jesus do his will instead of the will of GOD the Father ! ! !
> Sola Scriptura
... cum Spiritus Sancti ! ! !
dsolo
I've been curious to hear your response to the following:
>"The two pound diet,aka 2 pd etc., ignores calorie content.
Leaving aside level of physical activity, on average each pound of
body weight requires 10 calories to maintain it each day.
Height is a core consideration when deciding how much is too much body
weight.
Even a 4 th grade math student sees the huge flaw in the two pound
claim
when considering these facts.
Some two pounds will in some people cause weight gain and in some
weight
loss..." (tr...@is-best.com)
***
Many thanks,
Dale
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
>
> Dr. Chung,
>
> I've been curious to hear your response to the following:
>
> >"The two pound diet,aka 2 pd etc., ignores calorie content.
These are the words of satan who is always intent on deception.
The 2PD-OMER Approach is neither a diet nor a person.
For this reason, it has no capacity to ignore anything.
Instead, it is we who should ignore calorie content for two reasons:
(1) We will as a general rule have no bomb calorimeter to accurately
measure calorie content. Research studies in this area have shown
that our estimates of calorie content will tend to be far off the
mark. This will especially be the case in folks bothered by being
hungry.
(2) When our gastrointestinal (GI) system is not overtaxed by our
overeating, it will extract the exact amount of nutrients (macro,
micro and trace) that our bodies need with the remainder going toward
feeding our bacteria friends, who are our friends because they provide
the additional nutrients that may be missing in our diets. Research
studies have shown that when our level of exercise increases, that our
GI systems extract more from what we eat so that we can gain weight in
the form of muscle without eating more. This phenomenon has been
called "exercise resistance" because the studies were done with obese
people who were exercising to lose weight but instead gained ! ! !
> Leaving aside level of physical activity, on average each pound of
> body weight requires 10 calories to maintain it each day.
This figure will vary from person to person, from day to day, for
season to season, and with aging.
In short, this figure is knowable only to GOD and our bodies, which
GOD has designed and made wonderfully. When we eat the optimal amount
(omer as named in Exodus 16:16), our bodies, by GOD's design, will
extract the optimal amount of nutrients from the meals we eat as the
Holy Spirit has guided me to write above.
> Height is a core consideration when deciding how much is too much body
> weight.
Actually, our optimal body weight will vary from person to person,
from day to day, for season to season, and with aging.
Optimal body weight happens when we eat less down to the optimal
amount in order to become healthier (hungrier) than ever so that we
lose all the bad "inside" fat (visceral adipose tissue or VAT) which
is completely pathological.
> Even a 4 th grade math student sees the huge flaw in the two pound
> claim
> when considering these facts.
The words of satan can deceive folks young and old.
> Some two pounds will in some people cause weight gain and in some
> weight
> loss..." (tr...@is-best.com -- sockpuppet of satan)
One million-dollars awaits the first obese person who gains (i.e.
fails to lose weight) after reducing his/her intake down to the
optimal amount (32 ounces per day, which has been empirically
determined to be an omer per day):
>
> Many thanks,
>
> Dale
You are welcome, Dale :-)
Redirecting all thanks and praises to GOD so that we will both be that
much more blessed (hungrier):
Frank t2
You must have seen dialogue in here that we are trying to get rid
of him by ignoring him, not propagating anything to do with him ...
Please join us in this effort by ignoring him and not mentioning
him, nor his "works", AT ALL. You do realise that some people
prefer to leave than watch any more drivel by this lowlife, don't
you ?
Please make an effort with us ...
Frank
"dsolo" <dalesol...@gmail.com> a écrit ...
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> convicted friend Dale Solomonson "dsolo" <dalesol...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >
>
> Why? ... Why do you do it, Dale ?
Dear friend Dale is seeking the truth, Who is LORD Jesus Christ.
> You must have seen dialogue in here that we are trying to get rid
> of him by ignoring him, not propagating anything to do with him ...
Ignoring the truth, Who is LORD Jesus Christ, does not get rid of
HIM :-)
> Please join us in this effort by ignoring him and not mentioning
> him, nor his "works", AT ALL.
Wiser to place your faith in HIM and HIS works in order to receive HIS
salvation:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Christ.asp
> You do realise that some people
> prefer to leave than watch any more drivel by this lowlife, don't
> you ?
That would be their choice made through the free will that they have
received from a kind, just, and right GOD, Who is not a lowlife but
**the** life.
It remains GOD's choice that all soul's retain HIS generous gift of
free will.
"I am the way, the truth, and the life..." -- LORD Jesus Christ
Amen.
Marana tha
> Please make an effort with us ...
>
> Frank
Is seems Dale has made his choice to not follow the broad and
meandering path of those who do not know the truth, Who is LORD Jesus
Christ:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/dream.asp
This simply shows that the Holy Spirit is absolutely right to convict
you:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts
The brethren of LORD Jesus Christ are neither perfect nor more
special...
... we are simply forgiven by GOD:
http://www.interviewwithgod.com/forgiven/
May you wisely choose to be forgiven too by publicly declaring with
your mouth that "Jesus is LORD:"
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/TheWay
Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,