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Michael A. Terrell
>
> I think I speak for everyone when I say
Report the moron to groups...@google.com with the full header
instead of repeating the spam.
--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.
Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida
Tom MacIntyre
<mike.t...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>Simon Scott wrote:
>>
>> I think I speak for everyone when I say
>
>
> Report the moron to groups...@google.com with the full header
>instead of repeating the spam.
Agreed...definitely not speaking for everyone by repeating the
message.
Tom
hhc...@yahoo.com
anything but total crap -- A waste of bandwidth as they say.
You're just another one of thos fucked up brain clueless spammers.
Get a clue.
Harry C.
Simon Scott
> Simon Scott wrote:
>>
>> I think I speak for everyone when I say
>
>
> Report the moron to groups...@google.com with the full header
> instead of repeating the spam.
>
>
and what will that achieve?
Google groups is *not* usenet.
Michael A. Terrell
Then don't report it, dumb ass. Goggle WILL close an account if
enough people report a spammer.
Simon Scott
> Simon Scott wrote:
>>
>> Michael A. Terrell wrote:
>>
>> > Simon Scott wrote:
>> >>
>> >> I think I speak for everyone when I say
>> >
>> >
>> > Report the moron to groups...@google.com with the full header
>> > instead of repeating the spam.
>> >
>> >
>>
>> and what will that achieve?
>>
>> Google groups is *not* usenet.
>
>
> Then don't report it, dumb ass. Goggle WILL close an account if
> enough people report a spammer.
>
>
Im the dumbass?
I just told you that google groups is NOT the usenet.... and your defense is
that google will close this guy's (yahoo!) account if enough people
complain? Google groups is NOT THE USENET.
Look! Over there! A clue! Go grab it quick!
Michael A. Terrell
You truly are a DUMB ASS. They will stop him from logging in with
that Yahoo account. As far as a clue, you'd have to stop playing with
yourself to pick it up.
Simon Scott
> Simon Scott wrote:
>>
>> Michael A. Terrell wrote:
>>
>> > Simon Scott wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Michael A. Terrell wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > Simon Scott wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I think I speak for everyone when I say
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Report the moron to groups...@google.com with the full header
>> >> > instead of repeating the spam.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> and what will that achieve?
>> >>
>> >> Google groups is *not* usenet.
>> >
>> >
>> > Then don't report it, dumb ass. Goggle WILL close an account if
>> > enough people report a spammer.
>> >
>> >
>>
>> Im the dumbass?
>>
>> I just told you that google groups is NOT the usenet.... and your defense
>> is that google will close this guy's (yahoo!) account if enough people
>> complain? Google groups is NOT THE USENET.
>>
>> Look! Over there! A clue! Go grab it quick!
>
>
> You truly are a DUMB ASS. They will stop him from logging in with
> that Yahoo account. As far as a clue, you'd have to stop playing with
> yourself to pick it up.
>
>
Man, seriously - give up. You just make yourself look more and more stupid
with every post.
Since you completely lack a clue, why are you pretending you have one?
So tell me, oh wise one, how will Google accomplish this task?
Si Ballenger
<simon_...@chrome64.r3mov3th15.org> wrote:
>I just told you that google groups is NOT the usenet.... and your defense is
>that google will close this guy's (yahoo!) account if enough people
>complain? Google groups is NOT THE USENET.
>
>Look! Over there! A clue! Go grab it quick!
A quick clue is "google groups" is just a web based interface for
reading/writing to the usenet system (as are the microsoft
"communities"). Check the headers of those that post from google.
JeffM
It appears that you are the poster boy for stupid, newbie.
When you
http://groups.google.com/groups/search?enc_author=Z9PNsCQAAABqoQiSKE7FtxX8FbG-V2FHE9h5XwY2sTgADIUDhFQMf6hKwl2vgiIqpXHHo98KMRE
have another 5000 posts to Usenet,
http://groups.google.com/groups/search?enc_author=jWgiuhoAAAAaHl5AdntXWypjNXDBdYXmrbC9LgRjkB9B8JuzeYqLwg
your opinion (and that's all you are offering)
might count for something.
To find out how to get someone's Usenet access terminated,
look in the HEADERS (as Terrell did).
Here's what the OP's post looks like, including headers:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.misc/msg/6e8fedd0342313b3?dmode=source
Notice where it came from (Organization:)
as well as the Complaints-To: line.
At this point you should apologize to Mr. Terrell.
Simon Scott
>>You just make yourself look more and more stupid
>> Simon Scott
>
> It appears that you are the poster boy for stupid, newbie.
> When you
>
http://groups.google.com/groups/search?enc_author=Z9PNsCQAAABqoQiSKE7FtxX8FbG-V2FHE9h5XwY2sTgADIUDhFQMf6hKwl2vgiIqpXHHo98KMRE
> have another 5000 posts to Usenet,
>
http://groups.google.com/groups/search?enc_author=jWgiuhoAAAAaHl5AdntXWypjNXDBdYXmrbC9LgRjkB9B8JuzeYqLwg
> your opinion (and that's all you are offering)
> might count for something.
Mate, Id be more inclined to listen to someone who HASNT posted 5000 times
to usenet. Sad.
>
> To find out how to get someone's Usenet access terminated,
> look in the HEADERS (as Terrell did).
> Here's what the OP's post looks like, including headers:
>
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.misc/msg/6e8fedd0342313b3?dmode=source
>
> Notice where it came from (Organization:)
> as well as the Complaints-To: line.
>
> At this point you should apologize to Mr. Terrell.
hahahahaha
ok, so Mr 'The Complaints-to header isnt a complete waste of time', why are
we consistently inundated with SPAM?
Please explain step by step how we ban the OP from usenet? Please, dont
leave out any of the imaginary details!
Is it something like:
1) Get google to pull his groups account
2) Fall into a parallel dimension where the guy doesnt go and get another
groups account/uses another usenet server/uses one of a multitude of
anonymous usenet proxies/redoubles his efforts to spam us into oblivion?
Michael A. Terrell
>
> Man, seriously - give up. You just make yourself look more and more stupid
> with every post.
>
> Since you completely lack a clue, why are you pretending you have one?
>
> So tell me, oh wise one, how will Google accomplish this task?
Sigh. Your arrogance is only exceeded by your blissful ignorance.
Tom MacIntyre
<simon_...@chrome64.r3mov3th15.org> wrote:
>JeffM wrote:
>
>>>You just make yourself look more and more stupid
>>> Simon Scott
>>
>> It appears that you are the poster boy for stupid, newbie.
>> When you
>>
>http://groups.google.com/groups/search?enc_author=Z9PNsCQAAABqoQiSKE7FtxX8FbG-V2FHE9h5XwY2sTgADIUDhFQMf6hKwl2vgiIqpXHHo98KMRE
>> have another 5000 posts to Usenet,
>>
>http://groups.google.com/groups/search?enc_author=jWgiuhoAAAAaHl5AdntXWypjNXDBdYXmrbC9LgRjkB9B8JuzeYqLwg
>> your opinion (and that's all you are offering)
>> might count for something.
>
>Mate, Id be more inclined to listen to someone who HASNT posted 5000 times
>to usenet. Sad.
>
I guess my 26000+ posts must really seem sad... :-P
Tom
Simon Scott
> Simon Scott wrote:
>>
>
>> Man, seriously - give up. You just make yourself look more and more
>> stupid with every post.
>>
>> Since you completely lack a clue, why are you pretending you have one?
>>
>> So tell me, oh wise one, how will Google accomplish this task?
>
>
> Sigh. Your arrogance is only exceeded by your blissful ignorance.
>
>
2 things:
1) recall you called me a dumbass first...... dumbass
2) Your friend has beaten a hasty retreat, cos he knows Im right
Given the hundreds of spam posts we have received in the last day, why are
you arguing with me? Its obvious google can do nothing about it, even
before you look at the specifics of the technology.
Michael A. Terrell
>
> 2 things:
>
> 1) recall you called me a dumbass first...... dumbass
Did you have to take off your shoes to count to two? You really are
a meathead.
> 2) Your friend has beaten a hasty retreat, cos he knows Im right
Who beat a retreat, and what proof do you have that they retreated?
> Given the hundreds of spam posts we have received in the last day, why are
> you arguing with me? Its obvious google can do nothing about it, even
> before you look at the specifics of the technology.
Gee, there were over 2600 spews dumped on news:sci.electronics.design
this morning, and not a one came from Google, moron. They were all
posted through the same African news server. I see that you are posting
through an Australian news server, which says a whole lot about you and
your ignorance. You have a DSL account, and are posting from an IP of:
202-72-168-246 which gives the following information:
% [whois.apnic.net node-1]
% Whois data copyright terms http://www.apnic.net/db/dbcopyright.html
inetnum: 202.72.160.0 - 202.72.191.255
netname: WESTNET
descr: WestNet Pty Ltd
descr: Perth, Western Australia
country: AU
admin-c: WA6-AP
tech-c: WA6-AP
mnt-by: APNIC-HM
mnt-lower: MAINT-AU-WESTNET
changed: hostm...@apnic.net 20020517
status: ALLOCATED PORTABLE
source: APNIC
role: WestNet Abuse
address: 24 Sangiorgio Crt
address: Osborne Park, Australia
country: AU
phone: +61 8 62636300
fax-no: +61 1 300554160
e-mail: ab...@westnet.com.au
trouble: Include full headers when reporting spam
trouble: and full logs including timestamps when
trouble: reporting malicious activity.
admin-c: LD28-AP
admin-c: JB6-AP
tech-c: LD28-AP
tech-c: JB6-AP
nic-hdl: WA6-AP
remarks: WestNet Pty Ltd
remarks: http://www.westnet.com.au
mnt-by: MAINT-AU-WESTNET
changed: luke....@westnet.com.au 20020424
changed: hm-ch...@apnic.net 20031013
source: APNIC
JeffM
>>>
The old-fashioned way: one at a time.
You do what you can.
The battle against spam cannot be a one-time effort;
expect it to persist.
If you choose to do nothing, expect nothing to change.
.
.
>>Your arrogance is only exceeded by your blissful ignorance.
>
>Your friend has beaten a hasty retreat, cos he knows Im right
Nope. You're still wrong.
Those who choose to remain ignorant do not interest me.
Arguing with someone who lists the technique himself
then says that the facts don't matter
would just be butting my head against the wall.
Simon Scott
> Simon Scott wrote:
>>
>> 2 things:
>>
>> 1) recall you called me a dumbass first...... dumbass
>
>
> Did you have to take off your shoes to count to two? You really are
> a meathead.
uhuh.
>
>
>> 2) Your friend has beaten a hasty retreat, cos he knows Im right
>
>
> Who beat a retreat, and what proof do you have that they retreated?
>
>
>> Given the hundreds of spam posts we have received in the last day, why
>> are you arguing with me? Its obvious google can do nothing about it, even
>> before you look at the specifics of the technology.
>
>
> Gee, there were over 2600 spews dumped on news:sci.electronics.design
> this morning, and not a one came from Google, moron. They were all
OK, once again - GOOGLE IS NOT THE USENET. So what if none came from google?
THEY STILL CAME!
> posted through the same African news server. I see that you are posting
> through an Australian news server, which says a whole lot about you and
How so? Being Australian makes me ignorant?
> your ignorance. You have a DSL account, and are posting from an IP of:
> 202-72-168-246 which gives the following information:
Thanks, but Im aware of my own whois info. What did this prove?
The usenet is still routinely spammed. You are still wrong. Google is
powerless to stop it, since GOOGLE IS NOT USENET.
And you call me a meathead? Nice one.
Simon Scott
>>>>So tell me, oh wise one, how will Google accomplish this task?
>>>> Simon Scott
>>>>
> The old-fashioned way: one at a time.
> You do what you can.
> The battle against spam cannot be a one-time effort;
> expect it to persist.
> If you choose to do nothing, expect nothing to change.
Mate, its been nearly 2 decades now, and the usenet is still being spammed
into oblivion. If you expect that to change, you need help.
> .
> .
>>>Your arrogance is only exceeded by your blissful ignorance.
>>> Michael A. Terrell
>>
>>Your friend has beaten a hasty retreat, cos he knows Im right
>>> Simon Scott
>
> Nope. You're still wrong.
> Those who choose to remain ignorant do not interest me.
How am I ignorant of the issue? Prove to me that the usenet is not being
spammed, or prove to me that google has the power to stop it? Prove to me
that reporting the OP would have a nontrivial effect of the level of spam?
> Arguing with someone who lists the technique himself
> then says that the facts don't matter
> would just be butting my head against the wall.
Or perhaps youre backpedalling because you realise you're wrong?
Michael A. Terrell
>
> Michael A. Terrell wrote:
>
> > Simon Scott wrote:
> >>
> >> 2 things:
> >>
> >> 1) recall you called me a dumbass first...... dumbass
> >
> >
> > Did you have to take off your shoes to count to two? You really are
> > a meathead.
>
> uhuh.
>
> >
> >
> >> 2) Your friend has beaten a hasty retreat, cos he knows Im right
> >
> >
> > Who beat a retreat, and what proof do you have that they retreated?
> >
> >
> >> Given the hundreds of spam posts we have received in the last day, why
> >> are you arguing with me? Its obvious google can do nothing about it, even
> >> before you look at the specifics of the technology.
> >
> >
> > Gee, there were over 2600 spews dumped on news:sci.electronics.design
> > this morning, and not a one came from Google, moron. They were all
>
> OK, once again - GOOGLE IS NOT THE USENET. So what if none came from google?
> THEY STILL CAME!
>
> > posted through the same African news server. I see that you are posting
> > through an Australian news server, which says a whole lot about you and
>
> How so? Being Australian makes me ignorant?
Not necessarily, but the most pigheaded idiots on Usenet seem to hail
from there. I know a couple who are great techs and nice guys, but most
of the crap comes from your neck of the woods. Take a look at
news:aus.electronics for all the proof you need.
>
> > your ignorance. You have a DSL account, and are posting from an IP of:
> > 202-72-168-246 which gives the following information:
>
> Thanks, but Im aware of my own whois info. What did this prove?
>
> The usenet is still routinely spammed. You are still wrong. Google is
> powerless to stop it, since GOOGLE IS NOT USENET.
You are right. "Google" is a search engine that also owns "Google
Groups" which is a HTML based portal into Usenet where a large part of
all spam is dumped onto Usenet. They bought the old "Deja News" usenet
archive and turned it into "Goggle Groups". Goggle will cancel a
"Goggle Groups" user account for spamming. Try to post through "Google
Groups" without signing up with a valid E-mail address, id10t.
>
> And you call me a meathead? Nice one.
Definitely, and the flies are getting thick as they swarm around the
maggots who are trying to hide the evidence.
Jasen Betts
> Since you completely lack a clue, why are you pretending you have one?
>
> So tell me, oh wise one, how will Google accomplish this task?
they'll blackist his google login and then he'll no longer be able to
access google groups to post. (unless he gets another yahoo account etc)
it's possible that google and yahoo cooperate, so even that may not work.
It wouldn't hurt to report him to yahoo and his ISP too..
but I can see that you'd rather moan about spam and try to hide from it than
actually do something about it.
Bye.
Jasen
Jasen Betts
> Michael A. Terrell wrote:
>
>> Simon Scott wrote:
>>>
>>> Michael A. Terrell wrote:
>>>
>>> > Simon Scott wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> I think I speak for everyone when I say
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Report the moron to groups...@google.com with the full header
>>> > instead of repeating the spam.
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>> and what will that achieve?
>>>
>>> Google groups is *not* usenet.
>>
>>
>> Then don't report it, dumb ass. Goggle WILL close an account if
>> enough people report a spammer.
>>
>>
>
> Im the dumbass?
yep.
> I just told you that google groups is NOT the usenet.... and your defense is
> that google will close this guy's (yahoo!) account if enough people
> complain? Google groups is NOT THE USENET.
that guy's post originated from google, read the message header.
> Look! Over there! A clue! Go grab it quick!
don't let the clue pass you by, you need it more.
Bye.
Jasen
Simon Scott
<snip irrelevant stuff>
>> Thanks, but Im aware of my own whois info. What did this prove?
Nicely sidestepped by the way. Seemed like a desperate act of intimidation,
but it failed hopelessly.
You can read headers and use whois! wow!
>>
>> The usenet is still routinely spammed. You are still wrong. Google is
>> powerless to stop it, since GOOGLE IS NOT USENET.
>
>
> You are right. "Google" is a search engine that also owns "Google
> Groups" which is a HTML based portal into Usenet where a large part of
> all spam is dumped onto Usenet. They bought the old "Deja News" usenet
> archive and turned it into "Goggle Groups". Goggle will cancel a
> "Goggle Groups" user account for spamming. Try to post through "Google
> Groups" without signing up with a valid E-mail address, id10t.
Who said anything about posting on google groups without a valid email?
I like the way you guys keep shifting the goalposts in order to 'win' an
argument which is practically indefensible. Reporting that guy to google
would acheive *nothing*. Sure, his account would be banned sooner or later,
but he would just grab another one, or use a different service. His spam is
already on the usenet, cancelling his account now only prevents future spam
through that single account. Most of us had already downloaded the headers
for his spam, and we cant 'undownload' them. They could cancel his posts,
but none of us look at them anyway, and not all usenet servers would accept
the cancellation.
Like I said, its been nearly 20 years (from memory), and it hasnt gotten any
better over that time. Ive been using usenet since about 1992. Trust me, it
really hasnt improved.
>
>>
>> And you call me a meathead? Nice one.
>
>
> Definitely, and the flies are getting thick as they swarm around the
> maggots who are trying to hide the evidence.
heh. I have a 190 IQ dipshit. I also have a BSc in computer science. I full
understand how the usenet works (or doesnt) thanks. Just because Im not
some hopeless redneck with a complete inability to reason, like yourself,
doesnt make me a 'meathead'. What would your qualifications be by the way?
Im just wondering why you feel compelled to comment on something you
obviously have zero idea about.
Come back when you can actual follow basic logic, and you arent busy mashing
faeces into the wall with your fingers.
Michael A. Terrell
>
> Michael A. Terrell wrote:
>
> <snip irrelevant stuff>
>
> >> Thanks, but Im aware of my own whois info. What did this prove?
>
> Nicely sidestepped by the way. Seemed like a desperate act of intimidation,
> but it failed hopelessly.
Intimidation? Are you really that damn paranoid? It was simply to
show that I knew how to read and interpret a message header.
> You can read headers and use whois! wow!
>
> >>
> >> The usenet is still routinely spammed. You are still wrong. Google is
> >> powerless to stop it, since GOOGLE IS NOT USENET.
> >
> >
> > You are right. "Google" is a search engine that also owns "Google
> > Groups" which is a HTML based portal into Usenet where a large part of
> > all spam is dumped onto Usenet. They bought the old "Deja News" usenet
> > archive and turned it into "Goggle Groups". Goggle will cancel a
> > "Goggle Groups" user account for spamming. Try to post through "Google
> > Groups" without signing up with a valid E-mail address, id10t.
>
> Who said anything about posting on google groups without a valid email?
>
> I like the way you guys keep shifting the goalposts in order to 'win' an
> argument which is practically indefensible. Reporting that guy to google
> would acheive *nothing*. Sure, his account would be banned sooner or later,
> but he would just grab another one, or use a different service. His spam is
> already on the usenet, cancelling his account now only prevents future spam
> through that single account. Most of us had already downloaded the headers
> for his spam, and we cant 'undownload' them. They could cancel his posts,
> but none of us look at them anyway, and not all usenet servers would accept
> the cancellation.
No, you are the one twisting things. I stated that they had to have
a Google account but you've ignored it several times and repeated your
BS.
> Like I said, its been nearly 20 years (from memory), and it hasnt gotten any
> better over that time. Ive been using usenet since about 1992. Trust me, it
> really hasnt improved.
It won't, with your defeatist attitude.
>
> >
> >>
> >> And you call me a meathead? Nice one.
> >
> >
> > Definitely, and the flies are getting thick as they swarm around the
> > maggots who are trying to hide the evidence.
>
> heh. I have a 190 IQ dipshit. I also have a BSc in computer science. I full
You still have your troubles with the English language, 190 IQ boy.
> understand how the usenet works (or doesnt) thanks. Just because Im not
> some hopeless redneck with a complete inability to reason, like yourself,
> doesnt make me a 'meathead'. What would your qualifications be by the way?
> Im just wondering why you feel compelled to comment on something you
> obviously have zero idea about.
>
> Come back when you can actual follow basic logic, and you arent busy mashing
> faeces into the wall with your fingers.
BS is the perfect description of you. :) I may live in "Redneck
Country" these days, but I am not a redneck. BTW, in florida the term
is "Cracker", named after the early cowboys who handled some large herds
of cattle and other livestock. I didn't dig ditches or work
construction in the hot sun for a living. That's how you become a
redneck. You labor out in the hot sun till it turns your skin a deep
brown leather. Only a very prejudiced person would assume that anyone
who does that kind of work is stupid. My grand parents were farmers in
Kentucky. My dad was a foreman at a corrugated box company in Ohio. At
13 I was teaching myself Electronics from used college text books and
working part time at a repair shop. I served my country after I
graduated from High School, owned a Commercial Sound and Two-Way radio
business, till my health stopped me from climbing ladders.
My qualifications? Broadcast engineer in radio & television,
engineering in CATV system design, built headends, and I worked at
L3-Com/Microdyne as an engineering tech in RF, Digital, Embedded
controllers, and any other dirty engineering job that came up because I
asked for the hardest jobs.
Do you watch the local weather forecasts where they show the
satellite images? I worked on the turnkey package we installed at
Wallops Island Virginia for NOAA. Ever hear of the International Space
Station? The custom built Microdyne 700 series receiver was built for
NASA at Microdyne's now closed Ocala plant. I did most of the work
because I was the hardest tech to get anything past. I set the quality
standards, rather than follow them. I wrote test procedures, made
engineering update designs to improve quality and testability. I also
designed, built, and programmed test fixtures, and updated many of the
older, existing fixtures. I could empty the entire engineering
department by simply walking in with a piece of paper and a pissed off
look on my face because they knew that I didn't take no for an answer.
They refused to listen to me ONCE. I shut dow the production of one
board till we had customers calling the CEO looking for their $12,000
radios. A few minutes later he was at my bench with my boss and the head
of production as he listened to the reason. Less than five minutes
later he had all three signatures from engineering so we could ship, on
time.
BTW all that your IQ number proves is that you can take tests. I
never asked to see mine and turned down the chance when my school wanted
to show it to me. I take tests very well, too. I tested out of a three
year electronics school at Ft. Monmoth, New Jersey when I was drafted in
the '70s. I had the highest score on record for my MOS and two pages of
the test were missing the day I was tested. The AVERAGE score was 22 out
of 110 right. I only got 88 questions and answered 82 of them right. I
had no study materials, only what I had already learned. I was 20 at
the time, and tested higher than people who were working in the field
when I was born. While I was stationed at Ft. Rucker, Alabama I worked
with CATV systems, CARS, and installed the world's first CATV emergency
notification system that allowed a single flip of a switch to take
control of 17 CATV systems to distribute emergency data on all of the TV
channels. I repaired RADAR equipment when there was a shortage of
regular RADAR techs. I installed a complex sound system for the
commanding general's new conference center even though there was an A/V
section on base that was supposed to do the job. After that, I was sent
to Ft. Greely Alaska to work at the base's Radio and TV station. Tell
me, Mr. BS programmer: How do you transmit a color signal from a B&W TV
station with no color equipment? I did it, and nearly caused a riot.
Oh, yeah. I built CH 58 TV in Destin, Florida from the ground, up. I
started with an empty metal building and proceeded to fill it with
studio, test and transmission equipment. Come to think of it, I wrote
the software for a custom VDG to supply test video while the station was
under construction.
I had my fill of BS of computer engineering types while at Microdyne.
They were constantly screwing up everything in sight, and couldn't
answer simple questions about the software they wrote. They couldn't
tell me what type of interrupt they used on the CPU that was erratic.
They couldn't give me a list of what IRQs they used on a custom, in
house designed embedded controller board. All they were good for was
stealing tools, hardware and ISP programmers off my bench after I left
for the day. That was THE ONLY GOOD THING about getting sick and losing
my job (and nearly dying). I never had to see those people again.
Tell, me computer know it all: What is the data bandwidth available
on the uplink to the ISS, and how does the data get there? What else is
the equipment used for?
Do you ever write in machine language? Not assembler, but true
machine code? I used to for the 6502 and 6510 processors. I wrote a
disassembler for the DOS on early personal computers to modify the code,
along with a lot of other software. I've been writing code for 23
years. Now, I'm a disabled old man who has had to scale back my
activities but I'm not dead yet, so I find things that I can do to stay
busy. I have about 20 computers waiting to see if they are worth
repairing. They will be given to other disabled Veterans if they are.
Its not as much fun as seeing why a $8,000 circuit board won't boot or
program, or hand soldering 288 pin ICs under a stereo microscope, but it
does help keep me active while helping others.
Jasen Betts
> spammed, or prove to me that google has the power to stop it?
complaing to the operator od the system where the spam entered usenet works.
try it.
> Prove to me that reporting the OP would have a nontrivial effect of
> the level of spam?
it might in this newsgroup.
One things sure, surrendering to the spammers won't help.
but I can see from your email address that you have.
Bye.
Jasen
Simon Scott
> Simon Scott wrote:
>>
>> Michael A. Terrell wrote:
>>
>> <snip irrelevant stuff>
>>
>> >> Thanks, but Im aware of my own whois info. What did this prove?
>>
>> Nicely sidestepped by the way. Seemed like a desperate act of
>> intimidation, but it failed hopelessly.
>
> Intimidation? Are you really that damn paranoid? It was simply to
> show that I knew how to read and interpret a message header.
Im fully aware of usenet headers and the whois database, thanks all the
same. Perhaps I was thrown by its complete irrelevance to the subject at
hand.
>
>
> No, you are the one twisting things. I stated that they had to have
> a Google account but you've ignored it several times and repeated your
> BS.
I dont think youre capable of understanding. I dont *care* that the guy
posted from google. It is completely fucking irrelevant.
lets recap (and I paraphrase):
me: fuck off cunt
you: report the OP to google
me: what will that achieve?
you: they will close the account, dumb ass.
Again, it doesnt matter if they close the account. It is a case of closing
the barn door after the horse has bolted.
Lets put it another way:
1) google groups accounts are easy to get, in any number
2) pulling a google groups account will result in it quickly being replaced
by another
3) The damage done by spam is limited to the bandwidth and screen realestate
waste by downloading the header (since noone actually clicks on the crap
anyway)
4) Closing the account doesnt reduce (3), nor does it reduce the amount of
spam
5) Cancelling the spam doesnt reduce (3), as by the time they get around to
it everyone has downloaded the header anyway, and a fair number of usenet
servers dont honour cancellations anyway.
Capiche? You are completely pissing in the wind if you think reporting
anything to google does anything except waste more of your time.
>
>
>> Like I said, its been nearly 20 years (from memory), and it hasnt gotten
>> any better over that time. Ive been using usenet since about 1992. Trust
>> me, it really hasnt improved.
>
>
>
> It won't, with your defeatist attitude.
Not defeatist - realistic. Since I actually understand the architecture of
usenet, I know that it is impossible to stamp out, or even measurably
reduce, the amount of spam on usenet.
>
> You still have your troubles with the English language, 190 IQ boy.
Wow, a typo. Good call. How are those straws you are grasping by the way?
>
> BS is the perfect description of you. :) I may live in "Redneck
> Country" these days, but I am not a redneck. BTW, in florida the term
<snip! zzzzzzzzz>
>
> My qualifications? Broadcast engineer in radio & television,
> engineering in CATV system design, built headends, and I worked at
> L3-Com/Microdyne as an engineering tech in RF, Digital, Embedded
> controllers, and any other dirty engineering job that came up because I
> asked for the hardest jobs.
OK, so you are completely unqualified in anything relevant to the topic at
hand then.
<snip irrelevant stuff>
>
> BTW all that your IQ number proves is that you can take tests. I
OK, whatever.
<snip more irrelevant stuff>
>
> I had my fill of BS of computer engineering types while at Microdyne.
Youd think you mightve picked up some basic networking theory while there.
>
>
> Tell, me computer know it all: What is the data bandwidth available
> on the uplink to the ISS, and how does the data get there? What else is
> the equipment used for?
Who cares? Relevance?
>
> Do you ever write in machine language? Not assembler, but true
> machine code? I used to for the 6502 and 6510 processors. I wrote a
Heh. As it happens one of my hobbies is 6502 assembler (I like the way you
say 6502 AND 6510, when the 6510 is little more than a 6502 with ports
hardwired into locations $00 and $01, and is simply the minor 6502
derivative used in the commodore 64). Machine code? Sure, if you like,
although why bother when ca65 etc are available? If you like I could
convert the hexidecimal opcodes into binary in my head and enter it in on a
set of switches?
6502 (and 6510! :)), 6800, z80, 68000, 8086...... Which would you like? Im
particular adept at 6510 (!) and the c64. In fact my left arm is resting on
a complete C128 setup on the desk next to me, and the machine Im on (a
linux box) has vice and ca65 installed on it, and one of my servers has
subversion running with my 6502 source.........
And again, how is this relevant to the topic?
> disassembler for the DOS on early personal computers to modify the code,
> along with a lot of other software. I've been writing code for 23
23 years? oh man, makes my 22 seem paltry (consider than Im 32 years old).
> years. Now, I'm a disabled old man who has had to scale back my
> activities but I'm not dead yet, so I find things that I can do to stay
> busy. I have about 20 computers waiting to see if they are worth
> repairing. They will be given to other disabled Veterans if they are.
> Its not as much fun as seeing why a $8,000 circuit board won't boot or
> program, or hand soldering 288 pin ICs under a stereo microscope, but it
> does help keep me active while helping others.
Oh, youre a sad old man with nothing better to do. Why am I bothering to
argue with you? What you lack in 'clue' you make up for in empty days and
infinite time to ramble. You win.
Next time dont call someone a dumbass unless its your own president.
Michael A. Terrell
So what is your answer to spam? Do like the guy in Russia and kill
the spammer?
> > It won't, with your defeatist attitude.
>
> Not defeatist - realistic. Since I actually understand the architecture of
> usenet, I know that it is impossible to stamp out, or even measurably
> reduce, the amount of spam on usenet.
>
> >
> > You still have your troubles with the English language, 190 IQ boy.
>
> Wow, a typo. Good call. How are those straws you are grasping by the way?
No, not one "Typo". Your use of the English language throughout the
thread is horrid. You would have never graduated from High School where
I grew up.
> > My qualifications? Broadcast engineer in radio & television,
> > engineering in CATV system design, built headends, and I worked at
> > L3-Com/Microdyne as an engineering tech in RF, Digital, Embedded
> > controllers, and any other dirty engineering job that came up because I
> > asked for the hardest jobs.
>
> OK, so you are completely unqualified in anything relevant to the topic at
> hand then.
What would qualify anyone about spammers? A head shrinker? Maybe a
bunch of goons to kick the spammer's front door down and smash all of
their computers? If Google gets fed up with all the spam reports they
make it harder to post, or set a limit of posts per IP address, per
day. They won't do anything until it becomes a real thorn in their
side.
> > I had my fill of BS of computer engineering types while at Microdyne.
>
> Youd think you mightve picked up some basic networking theory while there.
I was already installing Novel networks before I went to work at
Microdyne. As a matter of fact, I still have a 100 user Novel license
disk in my files. I worked with older networking that used RS-232. It
was a joke, but it almost worked. I'm glad that i wasn't the one who
set it up. It was a different division of Microdyne that sold
networking hardware and Novel bundles. Yes, I've spent time studying
networking from the Arcnet days, to the current Ethernet layers. I had
a number of problems with the corporate and engineering networks,
because the IT dept. couldn't understand our needs, ROM images were
stored on the servers, but their constant tinkering left us without
access too often. They also tried to tell us that we only needed one IP
address to program and test multiple $80,000 telemetry systems that used
Ethernet for programing and remote control.
BTW, my next networking project is an Ethernet controlled gate
controller and closer for my driveway. I am designing and building the
boards, writing the code and welding up the framework for the pair of 42
volt electric jacks.
> > Tell, me computer know it all: What is the data bandwidth available
> > on the uplink to the ISS, and how does the data get there? What else is
> > the equipment used for?
>
> Who cares? Relevance?
Relevance? You want to know about my networking abilities, yet my
having build the one permanent and unique, out of this world network
interface its not relevant?
First, you ask about networking theory, then you tell me it isn't
relevant. Make up your mind.
> > Do you ever write in machine language? Not assembler, but true
> > machine code? I used to for the 6502 and 6510 processors. I wrote a
>
> Heh. As it happens one of my hobbies is 6502 assembler (I like the way you
> say 6502 AND 6510, when the 6510 is little more than a 6502 with ports
> hardwired into locations $00 and $01, and is simply the minor 6502
> derivative used in the commodore 64). Machine code? Sure, if you like,
> although why bother when ca65 etc are available? If you like I could
> convert the hexidecimal opcodes into binary in my head and enter it in on a
> set of switches?
>
> 6502 (and 6510! :)), 6800, z80, 68000, 8086...... Which would you like? Im
> particular adept at 6510 (!) and the c64. In fact my left arm is resting on
> a complete C128 setup on the desk next to me, and the machine Im on (a
> linux box) has vice and ca65 installed on it, and one of my servers has
> subversion running with my 6502 source.........
I have a couple working 128D computers, about a half dozen C-128s and
a pile of 4023 printers and IEEE-488 floppy drives and other parts for
the early PET series. I repaired hundreds of commodore computers them
in the '80s and '90s.
Have you replaced the 4416 16K*4 video RAM in a 128 with the 4464
64K*4 RAM? You can either use it to store multiple screens, or access
it as more memory. Also, did you know that the 128D uses a different
Video chip than the 128? I installed a 3.5 inch drive in one of the
128D computers. I was designing a modification to the circuit board to
eliminate the card from the 1581 drive. The disassembler that I wrote
was for the 1581 drive. It not only took the code apart, it wrote the
files to the drive it was running on. There is still dead code in the
1581 ROM from early Commodore disk drives.
I worked with the 68340 processor in the Microdyne 700 and 1620/1670
series, as well as in a antenna controller that used the same custom
embedded controller board. It was a pain in the ass because engineering
insisted on using battery backed NVRAM instead of CAPSTORE RAM. I got
that changed and they were a lot more stable.
> And again, how is this relevant to the topic?
>
> > disassembler for the DOS on early personal computers to modify the code,
> > along with a lot of other software. I've been writing code for 23
>
> 23 years? oh man, makes my 22 seem paltry (consider than Im 32 years old).
So? I'm 53. What difference does it make? My point is that a lot
of people write code, some for longer than others. I started in self
defense and found that I enjoyed it.
> Oh, youre a sad old man with nothing better to do. Why am I bothering to
> argue with you? What you lack in 'clue' you make up for in empty days and
> infinite time to ramble. You win.
My days are far from empty. I just can't schedule the times that I'm
available to work because of a lot of medical problems. I am busy at
one project or another all of my waking hours. I never planned to
retire, but I have been forced to slow down by needing a cane and not
being able to stand for very long. It hasn't done anything to my mind,
but I am losing my eyesight. In fact, I am looking into getting a grant
to set up a repair business for electric power chairs and other
electronic aids for the disabled. BTW, I am fixing a damaged one that
was given to me and it will have a wireless networked computer built in
when I'm done.
> Next time dont call someone a dumbass unless its your own president.
Yawn.
Simon Scott
>
> So what is your answer to spam? Do like the guy in Russia and kill
> the spammer?
The answer is to ignore it. If the spammers derived $0 in spam related
income then it wouldnt be worth doing.
Unfortunately people are too dumb.
>> > You still have your troubles with the English language, 190 IQ boy.
>>
>> Wow, a typo. Good call. How are those straws you are grasping by the way?
>
>
> No, not one "Typo". Your use of the English language throughout the
> thread is horrid. You would have never graduated from High School where
> I grew up.
I must admit that I dont particular care when Im leaving abusive messages on
usenet. Go figure.
>
> What would qualify anyone about spammers? A head shrinker? Maybe a
> bunch of goons to kick the spammer's front door down and smash all of
> their computers? If Google gets fed up with all the spam reports they
> make it harder to post, or set a limit of posts per IP address, per
> day. They won't do anything until it becomes a real thorn in their
> side.
A slight understanding that usenet (as well as email) is pretty much
completely unregulated because of its architecture. Again, google is simply
a web based interface to usenet, so google acting on spam means absolutely
nothing.
> I was already installing Novel networks before I went to work at
So why do you find it so hard to comprehend that
1) Google groups is simply a node on the usenet network, not the network
itself
2) There is no way to regulate the usenet from a technical perspective
3) Usenet accounts to use for spam are free, easy to get, and infinite
???
> Microdyne. As a matter of fact, I still have a 100 user Novel license
> disk in my files. I worked with older networking that used RS-232. It
> was a joke, but it almost worked. I'm glad that i wasn't the one who
> set it up. It was a different division of Microdyne that sold
> networking hardware and Novel bundles. Yes, I've spent time studying
> networking from the Arcnet days, to the current Ethernet layers. I had
Hey, while we're off the topic - back in my DOS days, i picked up some
arcnet cards but didnt have a clue what they were. We were trying to use
them to network some machines for Doom :) Ended up posting on usenet (from
memory) about them and some guy came back and told us they were arcnet
cards and how to set them up. The guy was in fact the engineer who designed
arcnet :)
That was back in the early 90s, when usenet wasnt completely worthless.
>>
>> Who cares? Relevance?
>
>
> Relevance? You want to know about my networking abilities, yet my
> having build the one permanent and unique, out of this world network
> interface its not relevant?
Im confused. Why then are you arguing with me about usenet architecture?
>> > Do you ever write in machine language? Not assembler, but true
>> > machine code? I used to for the 6502 and 6510 processors. I wrote a
>>
>> Heh. As it happens one of my hobbies is 6502 assembler (I like the way
>> you say 6502 AND 6510, when the 6510 is little more than a 6502 with
>> ports hardwired into locations $00 and $01, and is simply the minor 6502
>> derivative used in the commodore 64). Machine code? Sure, if you like,
>> although why bother when ca65 etc are available? If you like I could
>> convert the hexidecimal opcodes into binary in my head and enter it in on
>> a set of switches?
>>
>> 6502 (and 6510! :)), 6800, z80, 68000, 8086...... Which would you like?
>> Im particular adept at 6510 (!) and the c64. In fact my left arm is
>> resting on a complete C128 setup on the desk next to me, and the machine
>> Im on (a linux box) has vice and ca65 installed on it, and one of my
>> servers has subversion running with my 6502 source.........
>
>
> I have a couple working 128D computers, about a half dozen C-128s and
> a pile of 4023 printers and IEEE-488 floppy drives and other parts for
> the early PET series. I repaired hundreds of commodore computers them
> in the '80s and '90s.
ooooh, IEEE. Nice. I have a couple of SFD1001s here, which are extremely
rare in Australia. One even works. My collection runs to many, many c64s,
1541s, 1571s, c128s, an old PET....etc
>
> Have you replaced the 4416 16K*4 video RAM in a 128 with the 4464
> 64K*4 RAM? You can either use it to store multiple screens, or access
Not yet, but the 4464s are sitting on the bench. Im deciding whether to
simply replace the chips in my c128s (I have a couple), or whether to
design a piggyback PCB (like the ones made in the late 80s). If I do that,
maybe 4464s arent the best thing to use.
Decisions decisions.
Then again, Risen From Oblivion runs without it.
> it as more memory. Also, did you know that the 128D uses a different
> Video chip than the 128? I installed a 3.5 inch drive in one of the
Different, as in a different model number? Im sure its still a VIC-II tho.
Or are you talking about the VDC variations? I seem to recall there being 2
different VDCs. Its 7am here, my brain is mush.
> 128D computers. I was designing a modification to the circuit board to
> eliminate the card from the 1581 drive. The disassembler that I wrote
> was for the 1581 drive. It not only took the code apart, it wrote the
> files to the drive it was running on. There is still dead code in the
> 1581 ROM from early Commodore disk drives.
Welcome to commodore. Im surprised that there isnt a dead ferret and an
antique chair in there somewhere too.
> My days are far from empty. I just can't schedule the times that I'm
> available to work because of a lot of medical problems. I am busy at
> one project or another all of my waking hours. I never planned to
> retire, but I have been forced to slow down by needing a cane and not
> being able to stand for very long. It hasn't done anything to my mind,
> but I am losing my eyesight. In fact, I am looking into getting a grant
> to set up a repair business for electric power chairs and other
> electronic aids for the disabled. BTW, I am fixing a damaged one that
> was given to me and it will have a wireless networked computer built in
> when I'm done.
>
Dude, it simply looks like we got off on the wrong foot. You sound like a
stand-up guy with extraordinary taste in computers :) Anyone who uses a PET
gets my stamp of approval.
Michael A. Terrell
I had a set of IBM network cards that used 75 ohm TV coax and
splitters to connect to a RF based router. I've never found any data on
them, but a guy I knew that work for the state of Ohio told me he
installed them at Ohio State University, and they used the existing CATV
system to network the campus. They were a low bandwidth version of a
cable modem.
> >> > Do you ever write in machine language? Not assembler, but true
> >> > machine code? I used to for the 6502 and 6510 processors. I wrote a
> >>
> >> Heh. As it happens one of my hobbies is 6502 assembler (I like the way
> >> you say 6502 AND 6510, when the 6510 is little more than a 6502 with
> >> ports hardwired into locations $00 and $01, and is simply the minor 6502
> >> derivative used in the commodore 64). Machine code? Sure, if you like,
> >> although why bother when ca65 etc are available? If you like I could
> >> convert the hexidecimal opcodes into binary in my head and enter it in on
> >> a set of switches?
> >>
> >> 6502 (and 6510! :)), 6800, z80, 68000, 8086...... Which would you like?
> >> Im particular adept at 6510 (!) and the c64. In fact my left arm is
> >> resting on a complete C128 setup on the desk next to me, and the machine
> >> Im on (a linux box) has vice and ca65 installed on it, and one of my
> >> servers has subversion running with my 6502 source.........
I almost forgot the two Metrodata computers I used at a CATV headend
in Cincinnati, Ohio. They were based on the Motorola 6800 processor and
used the Motorola Exorciser buss. Each had six video boards and 32 or
48 K ow DRAM. One had a SMS 8" floppy storage system, to keep all the
TV programming information, along with the community bulletin board and
similar, pages.
> > I have a couple working 128D computers, about a half dozen C-128s and
> > a pile of 4023 printers and IEEE-488 floppy drives and other parts for
> > the early PET series. I repaired hundreds of Commodore computers them
> > in the '80s and '90s.
>
> ooooh, IEEE. Nice. I have a couple of SFD1001s here, which are extremely
> rare in Australia. One even works. My collection runs to many, many c64s,
> 1541s, 1571s, c128s, an old PET....etc
I have about 25 1541 drives, plus a few 1571 and 1581 drives. I saw
the C128 at the dayton hamfest nine months before it shipped. I had a
set of dealer handouts for the C128, the 1571, and the never released
1572 dual, double sided drive.
The prize in my Commodore Computer collection is several working SX64
computers, with all the cables and accessories. I used a SX 64 with an
external modulator for a TV color bar, gray scale, and cross hatch
generator.
> > Have you replaced the 4416 16K*4 video RAM in a 128 with the 4464
> > 64K*4 RAM? You can either use it to store multiple screens, or access
>
> Not yet, but the 4464s are sitting on the bench. Im deciding whether to
> simply replace the chips in my c128s (I have a couple), or whether to
> design a piggyback PCB (like the ones made in the late 80s). If I do that,
> maybe 4464s arent the best thing to use.
>
> Decisions decisions.
The VDC only addresses 64 K of RAM, so its the logical choice. BTW,
the VCC and GND pins are soldered to heavy traces so the easy way to get
them out is heat the pin from both sides, the bottom side with a vacuum
desoldering iron. i think i converted about a dozen. The C128D came
from the factory with the 4464 chips.
> Then again, Risen From Oblivion runs without it.
>
> > it as more memory. Also, did you know that the 128D uses a different
> > Video chip than the 128? I installed a 3.5 inch drive in one of the
>
> Different, as in a different model number? Im sure its still a VIC-II tho.
> Or are you talking about the VDC variations? I seem to recall there being 2
> different VDCs. Its 7am here, my brain is mush.
The chips have different pinouts, and are not interchangeable.
>
> > 128D computers. I was designing a modification to the circuit board to
> > eliminate the card from the 1581 drive. The disassembler that I wrote
> > was for the 1581 drive. It not only took the code apart, it wrote the
> > files to the drive it was running on. There is still dead code in the
> > 1581 ROM from early Commodore disk drives.
>
> Welcome to commodore. Im surprised that there isnt a dead ferret and an
> antique chair in there somewhere too.
>
> > My days are far from empty. I just can't schedule the times that I'm
> > available to work because of a lot of medical problems. I am busy at
> > one project or another all of my waking hours. I never planned to
> > retire, but I have been forced to slow down by needing a cane and not
> > being able to stand for very long. It hasn't done anything to my mind,
> > but I am losing my eyesight. In fact, I am looking into getting a grant
> > to set up a repair business for electric power chairs and other
> > electronic aids for the disabled. BTW, I am fixing a damaged one that
> > was given to me and it will have a wireless networked computer built in
> > when I'm done.
> >
>
> Dude, it simply looks like we got off on the wrong foot. You sound like a
> stand-up guy with extraordinary taste in computers :) Anyone who uses a PET
> gets my stamp of approval.
I had almost the entire PET line when I got sick and lost my job at
Microdyne, and ended up losing the rental warehouse where they were
stored. I also lost my KIM-1 development board and a dozen 4004
processors with the support chips on working PC boards from early
inventory control terminals. The remaining Commodore stuff is most C64
and C128, plus the old metal cased dual floppy drives. I had a dead Lt
kernal 20 Mb hard drive, with a bad EPROM that I think was in the
warehouse. It used the Seagate 8-bit IDE controller and a cheap hard
drive. I wanted to open a small computer museum, so i had at least one
working unit of every model in my collection. I also had all the
Commodore service manuals, and lost them, as well.
Did you ever use the original version of Disk Doctor for the
Commodore computers? It is a neat little sector editor that can be used
to do all kinds of things to Commodore floppies. It was released for
the 1541 and older drives, then abandoned. I used it to modify a second
copy of Disk Doctor to work with the 1571 and 1581 drives.
Simon Scott
> set of dealer handouts for the C128, the 1571, and the never released
> 1572 dual, double sided drive.
you have the flyer for the 1572, or a prototype unit? :)
>
> The prize in my Commodore Computer collection is several working SX64
> computers, with all the cables and accessories. I used a SX 64 with an
> external modulator for a TV color bar, gray scale, and cross hatch
> generator.
Oh yeh, I have 2 SX-64s here. My dad has 3.
Great little machines, I prefer the c128 though.
>
>
>> > Have you replaced the 4416 16K*4 video RAM in a 128 with the 4464
>> > 64K*4 RAM? You can either use it to store multiple screens, or access
>>
>> Not yet, but the 4464s are sitting on the bench. Im deciding whether to
>> simply replace the chips in my c128s (I have a couple), or whether to
>> design a piggyback PCB (like the ones made in the late 80s). If I do
>> that, maybe 4464s arent the best thing to use.
>>
>> Decisions decisions.
>
>
> The VDC only addresses 64 K of RAM, so its the logical choice. BTW,
> the VCC and GND pins are soldered to heavy traces so the easy way to get
> them out is heat the pin from both sides, the bottom side with a vacuum
> desoldering iron. i think i converted about a dozen. The C128D came
> from the factory with the 4464 chips.
If I make a piggyback PCB I dont need to unsolder the 4164s, and the VDC is
socketted from memory :)
I might make a small run of PCBs made professionally and send the surplus to
Ray Carlsen for his distribution. Again, so many projects, and time is
short these days with work and family.
>
> Did you ever use the original version of Disk Doctor for the
> Commodore computers? It is a neat little sector editor that can be used
> to do all kinds of things to Commodore floppies. It was released for
> the 1541 and older drives, then abandoned. I used it to modify a second
> copy of Disk Doctor to work with the 1571 and 1581 drives.
>
>
Havent seen it.
Jasen Betts
>
> 1) google groups accounts are easy to get, in any number
could you get two million before this time next week?
> 2) pulling a google groups account will result in it quickly being replaced
> by another
possibly, but if the spammer is merely misguided rather than malicious
the second account won't be misused lik the first.
> 3) The damage done by spam is limited to the bandwidth and screen realestate
> waste by downloading the header (since noone actually clicks on the crap
> anyway)
not true, it cause this thread...
> 4) Closing the account doesnt reduce (3), nor does it reduce the amount of
> spam
yeah but if you tell someone who cares about the spam it could make a
difference. if instead you whine to all of usenet you are no better than
the spammer.
> 5) Cancelling the spam doesnt reduce (3), as by the time they get around to
> it everyone has downloaded the header anyway, and a fair number of usenet
> servers dont honour cancellations anyway.
> Not defeatist - realistic. Since I actually understand the architecture of
> usenet, I know that it is impossible to stamp out, or even measurably
> reduce, the amount of spam on usenet.
>
Impossible for one person to reduce measurably recduce the spam in all of
usenet maybe, OTOH, that guy who was filling ABSE with crap binaries stopped
and "sir jean-paul turcaud" is gone from aus.* those two arguably were
stopped not by people whining in the newsgroup, but by people informing the
poster's usenet provider.
Like measuring crime prevention, measuring the change in spam volume
caused by any strategy is difficult...
Bye.
Jasen
Jasen Betts
> I had a set of IBM network cards that used 75 ohm TV coax and
> splitters to connect to a RF based router. I've never found any data on
> them, but a guy I knew that work for the state of Ohio told me he
> installed them at Ohio State University, and they used the existing CATV
> system to network the campus. They were a low bandwidth version of a
> cable modem.
the way it was explained to me those things would send on one frequency band
and recieve on another.
at the headend thare'd be a repeater that receved on the frequency that
those cards were sending on and shifted the frequency to the one that the
cards would listen on and re-transmitted it.
--
Bye.
Jasen
Michael A. Terrell
>
> Michael A. Terrell wrote:
>
> > set of dealer handouts for the C128, the 1571, and the never released
> > 1572 dual, double sided drive.
>
> you have the flyer for the 1572, or a prototype unit? :)
Just the flyer, unfortunately. I also missed out when the surplus
dealer who got the prototypes of the C256 told me they wouldn't be
available for sale for a couple months, then sold them the next day. :(
I'll see if I can find a copy on floppy that's still readable when i
get to the boxes of Commodore disks.