ZIONIST JEW MAFIA: BBC says "ENOUGH!!!". BBC decides to publish documentary about the truth on the Zionist Jew MAFIA in control of Washington D.C. and AMERICA
War Office
A BBC documentary looking at how Zionists have both formulated, set
in place & then shaped the USA's strategic policies in recent
years, ... all » especially with regards to the Middle-East. It also
highlights the control, power, and influence that this group wields at
all levels in Washington.This group does not reflect the Jewish people
of the world, Zionism is not a part of the true Jewish faith. or the
true values and teachings of the Torah. Anti-Zionism is NOT Anti-
Semitism, the former is a Truth, the later is an abomination.
They almost went as far to reveal that these Zionist jew traitors were
behind 9/11 (PNAC footage).
Fred Kasner
About as verifiable a truth as the Protocols of the Elders of Zion.
FK
War Office
Oh I see. So you watched the documentary of course?
And you're implying that BBC are anti-semites?
And you're saying that there is only such thing as Chinese Mafia,
Italian Mafia, and Russian Mafiia. And yet only one of the two mafias
I just mentioned wasn't a jewish mafia.
Yes the ZIONIST MAFIA aka the NEOCONS.
WATCH THE DOCUMENTARY YOU IGNORANT FOOL.
War Office
Just checked up on Fred Kashner - he's.....wait for it......A
JEW!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sunny
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<snip>
>Just checked up on Fred Kashner - he's.....wait for it......A
>JEW!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And you "proof" is ? (apart from your idiotic voice in your head)
trop...@gmail.com
> "War Office" <911falsef...@gmail.com> wrote in messagenews:1178572669.6...@l77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
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> <snip>
>
> >Just checked up on Fred Kashner - he's.....wait for it......A
> >JEW!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> And you "proof" is ? (apart from your idiotic voice in your head)
It was written on the moon rock in Jake and Serge's fake Apollo 11
moon tape. Apollo 11 was a double-blind false-false-flag op timed to
be outed as a hoax to distract attention from the fact that Zionist
Jews got caught tracking the non-existent hijackers in NYC on Sep 10,
2001. Jake learned this while using Serge's "dial up broadband"
account.
War Office
Look at all the jews swarm to cover up the truth.
GovShill
Don't you mean the TRUTH, Jake?
A swarm of jews? I thought it was a gaggle of jews? Oh well. I'll
defer to the million dollar executive with the 150 IQ.
Shill #312
Red
Zionism is great. I support the IDF in whatever way I can.
Zionism is a cancer growing on Uncle Sam's ass
> On May 7, 4:32?pm, War Office <911falsef...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4667039539703585825
>
> > in place & then shaped the USA's strategic policies in recent
> > highlights the control, power, and influence that this group wields at
> > all levels in Washington.This group does not reflect the Jewish people
> > of the world, Zionism is not a part of the true Jewish faith. or the
> > true values and teachings of the Torah. Anti-Zionism is NOT Anti-
> > Semitism, the former is a Truth, the later is an abomination.
>
> > They almost went as far to reveal that these Zionist jew traitors were
> > behind 9/11 (PNAC footage).
>
> Zionism is great. I support the IDF in whatever way I can.
Zionists enjoy Sanctions and international conflicts.
Their programs has no limits and easy to trace just
look behind the human tragedy in wars and destruction.
Zionist cancer has no cure or treatment keeps coming
back if not eliminated completely.
Zionism is a disease and has no cure without use
decisive force
GovShill
>
> <snip>
>
> >Just checked up on Fred Kashner - he's.....wait for it......A
> >JEW!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> And you "proof" is ? (apart from your idiotic voice in your head)
Have you seen Jake's group?
http://groups.google.com.au/group/911-truth-julius-streicher-nominations?hl=en
Looks like there's two members. Him and Kangarooistan. World
shattering stuff!
Shill #312
Red
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> - Show quoted text -
I won't even flame you. The past three months I have been reading
books on the Holocaust. I've been reading books on the Dresden
fires. No, I don't read every page of every book. I just read what
grabs my attention. How the German people could've allowed Nazis to
treat Jews the way they did and turn the other cheek ignorning their
plight is very sad. Zionism came about because we allowed the nazis
to do this. And then the British and Americans had plenty of chances
of taking in Jews from all over Europe before the war started and
chose not to do it is also a sad statement on human beings at this
time. Because of the poor treatment of Jews throughout history I
support a homeland. I am as passionate about Israel the way I am
about my own country. Jews deserve Israel, it is there's. I also
believe the bible, a work of fiction to many, also guarantees that
Israel remains in the hands of the Jews. So Zionism is not a
disease. When you've been chased around the world for reasons that
don't seem right to me, I say you keep that homeland for yourselves
and I will support you in what little ways I can as one lowly
individual. I wish the Palestinians and the Jews could work things
out. What nitwit doesn't want peace. I think the arab terrorists
found out that the Jews won't roll over and play dead like they once
did. When 6 million of your people are slaughtered attitudes change.
God Bless Israel and the USA.
Fred Kasner
I've watched enough BBC biased anti-Isreal commentary and documentaries
to know them for what they are. They are essentially anti-semitic and
they try to cover that by being anti-Israel. It doesn't take much effort
(generally led by the ADL factual disputation) to demonstrate that the
BBC has for generations demonstrated an anti Israel bias. If you listen
to them long enough you will really believe that largely unarmed
Israelis attacked the countries around them in 1948 and systematically
drove out half of the Palestinians who fled to the protection of
surrounding countries and since have whined because they weren't allowed
to return. A close friend of mine fought as a volunteer in 1948 and told
me of whole villages he encountered that were empty except for a few
very old people who had been told by Arab radio that they would all be
killed if they didn't leave at once.
You are probably that class of fools who want to believe something and
so cannot see the obvious lies employed by those who would manipulate
you. The Israelis are not exactly angels. They have been attacked often
enough to at times overreact. However they are basically the victims of
repeated attacks by their neighbors as well as attacks against their
civilian population. How would you respond to such an attack against the
citizens of your area.
As for the neocons who harbor quite a few American Jews I have, as a
liberal, no use for them.
But your ignorance and foolishness makes you an easy target for such
bias. What you call a documentary looks more like some Leni Riefensteil
propoganda from the Third Reich.
FK
Fred Kasner
And who may I ask is this Fred Kashner you are referring to? And you who
is so lacking in courage and personal integrity to hide under a
pseudonym are ... what? Did I hear anyone hint a neoNazi?
FK
seon ferguson
"Fred Kasner" <fka...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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Only and idiot would resort to the term "anti-Semitic" since the Arabs are a
Semitic race wouldn't that make the Zionists who murder them "anti-Semitic"
to?
Anti-Semitic is just a word invented by Jews to silence anyone who dares
oppose Israel. They use it to make anyone afraid of speaking out. It's just
a word like "liberal" or "kook" that people use when they cant fight the
facts.
I think your bias for supporting the Israeli government murdering hundreds
of innocent women and children last year. You're the Third Reich
propagandist.
You know what I wasnt going to watch War Office's little movie but because
of Zionazi's like you I will.
seon ferguson
"Red" <RedRed...@aol.com> wrote in message
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On May 7, 11:55?pm, Zionism is a cancer growing on Uncle Sam's ass
A few things: if Israel is supposed to remain in control of the Jews then
why do you support the Zionists, who do not obey the basic teachings of the
Torah (thou shalt not murder) killing innocent women and children?
I to wonder why the German people allowed the holocaust to happen of course
some opposed it and even rescued the innocent women and children. But at the
same time I also wonder how the American people are letting things get this
bad.
Patrick Keenan
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Oh please.
No, it would not, since that's not what the term was created to mean. It
was created to mean - specifically - hatred of Jews. It was meant to be a
more polite term, to put a "scientific" or "intellectual" gloss on an evil
idea.
It never referred to Arabs or any other semitic peoples for that matter,
though the term's creator probably didn't think much of Arabs either.
> Anti-Semitic is just a word invented by Jews
No, it is not and was not. It is a term invented by Wilhelm Marr, a
German, who was definitely not a Jew. He founded the League of
AntiSemites in 1879, advocating the forced removal of Jews from Germany.
The attempt to pretend that the term has any different history or meaning is
usually a tactic used by people out to target Jews and/or Israel. You
shouldn't be surprised if you use it and people associate you with them.
Hope this helps.
-pk
<Snippage>
Fred Kasner
Remarkable how you have so clearly disgraced yourself by such a display
of ignorance. The term "anti-semitism" existed long before the creation
of the state of Israel. The process of attacks both verbal and physical
against Jews is as old as the nationalism of Europe and of the near
east. The term has been used exclusively to indicate a bias against Jews
even if the language that the Arabs speak is a semitic language. The
existence of anti-semitism which has been used to attack Israel and
Israelis is a well known position taken by the "Arabists" of the US
State Department and in recent times by the BBC. I am no apologist for
the mistakes that are made by Israel. Your assumption that I am shows
you to be a non-thinking individual. In no place do make some kind of
blanket support for Israel that you claim I do because you really don't
want to discuss issues on merit but really just want some kind of
justification for you anti-semitism. As for the "hundreds of women and
children" that were "murdered" last year when Hizbollah hid among them,
how many women and children were murdered by suicide murderers and
rocket fire aimed only at civilian targets? The repeated incursions of
suicide murderers into Israel where at the cost on one life murdered
multiple civilians is permissible in your canon? If so then we know you
for what you are a person who believes it is not a crime if the victim
is a Jew. We know you for whom you are. Your claim to be only anti
Israel is a sham.
FK
seon ferguson
"Patrick Keenan" <te...@dev.null> wrote in message
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people who cant rebuke the facts so they use that word to discredit people.
So you're saying the phrase anti Semitic was created to be used against
people who hated Jews who practices Judaism and not the general Hebrew
people? I think I get it. Knowing me I'm probally way of base.
seon ferguson
Come on you and I both know that if you criticize Israel in say a Jewish
chat room the phrase "anti Semitic" often comes up from people trying to
discredit you. I had to laugh when you said I was a non thinking individual.
A non thinking individual would blindly support the Jewish state and not
care when they commit the atrocities they commit. Or they would blindly
follow a man made religion and maybe use it to justify Israel's crimes. I'm
glad you make no apologies for Israel's past, it shows you care about other
humans and not just the Jews.
So it is justifiable to fight terrorism with terrorism? I'm sure the
families of the women and children killed in Lebanon will think well they
murdered by children or mother but its all Hizbollah's fault.
Yes the Palestinians have resorted to terrorism to. They are fighting for
there freedom but they use tactics I find disgusting and savage. I think
they should accept that Israel is there to stay and nothing they or I can do
or say will change that. Instead of using terrorist tactics to get there way
they should work with Israel and get the best deal they can. Like the one
they were supposed to get in the 90's but screwed up.
But what do I know? I don't support Israel so naturally I hate all Jews,
even though I'm the first to defend them when people claim they killed Jesus
or say death to Jews or something.
Yes the Jews have been attacked throughout history but so have other groups
and you don't see people adopting accusations of racism against there
critics. For example, only an idiot would say I'm racist against Americans
for hating the Bush regime or that the Germans who were against Hitler and
his final solution were racist against Germans.
I'm just sick to death of the term anti semetic coming up when people dare
speak out against israel.
Stan
(snipped)
> I'm just sick to death of the term anti semetic coming up when people dare
> speak out against israel.
>
People use whatever level of language they are familiar with to use as
snowballs.
Yes, its sad to see so many people respond in words like juveniles, but most
people take a lifetime to grow out of being a juvenile. And schools are no
longer the places to learn about the use of language. The teachers
themselves now use language as snowballs where once they would be cautious.
It happened around the late 1960s and will take at least another generation
before a new Enlightenment in language arises. The last 50 years of
language has been a playground of Gramsci followers. They infiltrated all
teaching fields and journalism, even science now in no longer free of the
influence.
seon ferguson
"Stan" <ecr...@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
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snowballs.
Richard Schultz
: Only and idiot would resort to the term "anti-Semitic" since the Arabs are a
: Semitic race wouldn't that make the Zionists who murder them "anti-Semitic"
: to?
:
: Anti-Semitic is just a word invented by Jews to silence anyone who dares
: oppose Israel.
Only an idiot would post the above. The word "anti-Semitic" was coined,
not by Jews, but by a 19th-century anti-Semite, specifically to describe
hatred of Jews. You might argue that the term is etymologically suspect,
but then, so is the English word "extravagant" (the French cognate of which
still conveys the meaning implied by the word's etymology).
-----
Richard Schultz sch...@mail.biu.ac.il
Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel
Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University
-----
"Apparently, you take me for a complete fool."
"Yeah -- more or less."
Bob & Ray, "Garish Summit"
Richard Schultz
: seon ferguson wrote:
:> You know what I wasnt going to watch War Office's little movie but because
:> of Zionazi's like you I will.
: We know you for whom you are. Your claim to be only anti Israel is a sham.
Which is ironic, given that as is well known, "Seon Ferguson" is a Jewish name.
-----
Richard Schultz sch...@mail.biu.ac.il
Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel
Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University
-----
"an optimist is a guy/ that has never had/ much experience"
Richard Schultz
: How the German people could've allowed Nazis to
: treat Jews the way they did and turn the other cheek ignorning their
: plight is very sad. Zionism came about because we allowed the nazis
: to do this.
I suggest that you look up the dates of the founding of the following
communities in Israel:
Petach Tikva
Zichron Ya'aqov
Rishon Le-Zion
Tel Aviv
And the date of publication of "Alt-Neuland" and compare those dates
with the date on which the Nuremberg Laws were passed. Then see if you
can figure out what is wrong with the statement of yours that I quoted.
-----
Richard Schultz sch...@mail.biu.ac.il
Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel
Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University
-----
"You don't even have a clue about which clue you're missing."
seon ferguson
"Richard Schultz" <sch...@mail.biu.ack.il> wrote in message
news:f1ulhf$9hc$4...@news.iucc.ac.il...
> In sci.chem Fred Kasner <fka...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> : seon ferguson wrote:
>
> :> You know what I wasnt going to watch War Office's little movie but
> because
> :> of Zionazi's like you I will.
>
> : We know you for whom you are. Your claim to be only anti Israel is a
> sham.
>
> Which is ironic, given that as is well known, "Seon Ferguson" is a Jewish
> name.
>
>
honoured.
seon ferguson
> In sci.chem seon ferguson <se...@iinet.net.au> wrote:
>
> : Only and idiot would resort to the term "anti-Semitic" since the Arabs
> are a
> : Semitic race wouldn't that make the Zionists who murder them
> "anti-Semitic"
> : to?
> :
> : Anti-Semitic is just a word invented by Jews to silence anyone who dares
> : oppose Israel.
>
> Only an idiot would post the above. The word "anti-Semitic" was coined,
> not by Jews, but by a 19th-century anti-Semite, specifically to describe
> hatred of Jews. You might argue that the term is etymologically suspect,
> but then, so is the English word "extravagant" (the French cognate of
> which
> still conveys the meaning implied by the word's etymology).
>
oppose the actions of the Israel GOVERNMENT.
Phlip
> not by Jews, but by a 19th-century anti-Semite, specifically to describe
> hatred of Jews. You might argue that the term is etymologically suspect,
> but then, so is the English word "extravagant" (the French cognate of
> which
> still conveys the meaning implied by the word's etymology).
And since then, the Zionists have a big rubber stamp to label anyone who
dares to oppose the vicious prejudice that is Zionism.
> Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University
Well, we'll give you a pass, but just this once!
--
Phlip
http://flea.sourceforge.net/PiglegToo_1.html
Phlip
> oppose the actions of the Israel GOVERNMENT.
Even if you are a drunk-driving billionaire movie creator...
--
Phlip
http://flea.sourceforge.net/PiglegToo_1.html
War Office
OLMSTED, GREDERICK LAW. 19th century American architect, historian. "A
swarm of Jews has, within the last ten years, settled in every
Southern town, many of them men of no character, opening cheap
clothing and trinket shops, ruining or driving out of business many of
the old retailers, and engaging in an unlawful trade with the simple
Negroes, which is found very profitable. (The Cotton Kingdom. For
other views on Jewish involvement in exploiting the South, see ULYSSES
S. GRANT and MARK TWAIN.)
Tex
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Another one of your great sources Jakey....
War Office
> "Red" <RedRedCoun...@aol.com> wrote in message
And yet you can't see the similarity in the way you yourself, silent
in complicity, are allowing the western forces to be used to treat the
Muslim people the same way?
650,000 innocent people dead. The US have been using chemical and
radioactive weaponry on Iraq. Israel used chemical weapons and star-
wars weapons in Lebanon last year and dropped a 100,000 cluster bombs
as the retreated after the cease-fire.
The first cease fire Israel called for was only because they had run
out of ammunition and were waiting for an emegency shipment from the
US.
If you really want to understand HOW the jews were treated the way
they were, you'd want to look at their declaration of War in 1993, a
war which targeted the German economy and part of which jews in
Germany were told by their Zionist leaders to send money out of
Germany to help implode the economy. Thats why the Nazis put stars of
David on all jewish shops, so that the German people knew not to buy
from them.
But you really want to go and listen to Benjamin Freedman's speech of
1961. You can download a copy at www.iamthewitness.com
War Office
What has the poor treatment of jews got to do with Palestinians whom
the Zionists terrorised and massacred causing 5 million to flee so
that the Zionist jews could occupy Palestine?
What the hell has Palestine got to do with the persecution of the jews
in Europe?
And why can't you see that the jews brought that persecution upon
themselves?
You have to know your history. The Zionist controlled western media
has brought you up on a pack of lies when it comes to holocaust and
the jews.
Notice that the hollywood films try to make out that anit-semitism is
some kind of virus that people catch. NO, it was because of the
Balfour Declaration. The jewish bankers of Hamburg, knowing that
germany had won the war and offered generous irrefusable peaceterms to
Britain, went to Britain and told them that they could get America
into the war last minute using their control of the media over there.
These Hamburg bankers promised to get America into the war if Britain
would promise to give them spoils of the war, namely Palestine. This
was the Balfour Declaration.
Now, once the agreement had been made, the Hamburg jews told all the
jewsih bankers in germany to get all their money out. Since Germany
looked like they were going to win the war, the jews were able to sell
all their assets at a high.
Then they got America into the war and as you know it was the most
bloody and gruesome war because Germany truly was powerful. Our
Australian soldiers had to do suicide runs across the trenches just to
occupy the Trukish gatney guns.
These miserable evil fucking jews created all that I demand that you
look into what I'm telling you and you will see the anti-christ of
these jews for what they are.
After Germany finally lost the war, the jews came back to germany and
bought everything up for a pittance, now owning 10 times what they had
before the war.
For the next decades preceding WW2 the jews in germany were merciless
landlords and occupied most of germany's wealth.
That is where your anti-semitism came from mate. Its called HUMAN
NATURE.
The jews forced Germany to invade the area of Poland reclaim the land
which had been taken from them after WW1. This forcement was due to
economic pressures.
The jews forced germany into another War.
And look mate, the jews are forcing us all into another War.
Always for the jews.
After WW2 the Zionist jews realised (you have to understand I'm
talking about the jewish bankers being the policy makers here - the
mainstream jews are just victims of tyrannical leaders of world jewry)
that the whole world was going to blame them for all the war mongering
unless they created a big Victim story. Thus the Holocaust.
You all truly underestimate the power of owning the Press.
You think the jews love Christ? Did you realise that Muslims love and
respect Christ as a prophet? Do you realise that the jews killed
Christ?
Here look at what modern day Israeli orthodox Zionist jews think of
Jesus Christ:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MgGtIWJoPc
Tex
Sure Jake. Just like you served in the SAS
War Office
> In sci.chem Red <RedRedCoun...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> : How the German people could've allowed Nazis to
> : treat Jews the way they did and turn the other cheek ignorning their
> : plight is very sad. Zionism came about because we allowed the nazis
> : to do this.
>
> I suggest that you look up the dates of the founding of the following
> communities in Israel:
>
> Petach Tikva
> Zichron Ya'aqov
> Rishon Le-Zion
> Tel Aviv
>
> And the date of publication of "Alt-Neuland" and compare those dates
> with the date on which the Nuremberg Laws were passed. Then see if you
> can figure out what is wrong with the statement of yours that I quoted.
>
> -----
> Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel
> Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University
> -----
> "You don't even have a clue about which clue you're missing."
Hey everybody, Richard Shultz is a Chemist. He knows the WTC were
blown up because he knows fire can't melt steel. And he knows that
there were molten polls of steel.
This is someone who is jewish and knows that Israel were behind 9/11
just like most upper-class Israeli jew knew for the last three decades
that Israel had a secret illegal WMD program of nuclear and biological
wepaons and remained silent. Let me tell you - some jews, anti-zionist
jews, are opposed to this cult tyranny of Zionism. But all the jews
who remain silent about the truth of Mossad and 9/11 are complicit and
will be hunted down and tried for war crimes and imprison.
We are greatful that the jews are building their own prison walls in
Israel, since that will probably be the internataionl prison for the
jews. Of course, we will need to modify and make smaller the state of
Israel, but you can count on one thing, Israel is the name of the
future largest prison camp in the world.
You seen with your own eyes that the jews cannot live peacefully with
anyone. They are criminal psychopaths and they belong in prison.
Patrick Keenan
Which occasionally turn out to be slogans, not facts. Or, bits of history
taken completely out the context provided by the surrounding events.
> so they use that word to discredit people.
> So you're saying the phrase anti Semitic was created to be used against
> people who hated Jews
No, it was created to refer to hatred of Jews, period. It was meant to be
a more polite, or "scientific" term for the hatred of a group of people.
> who practices Judaism and not the general Hebrew people?
The term refers to Jews, period. It has little or no connection with the
religious observance of the people in the group, or even how the person
self-identified.
The racial ideologies that these ideas grew from and contributed to didn't
consider whether or not a person considered a Jew practiced Judaism or not.
That was not relevant. The basic idea was "Once a Jew, always a Jew",
that Jewish blood was tainted.
What was relevant was ancestry, and that is why Nazis passed laws that
excluded Jews from jobs and professions and that required people to prove
that they had no Jewish ancestors for at least several generations.
Didn't matter if they were actually ardent Lutherans or Odinists.
Neither did their loyalty or service to the nation matter. All it took was
ancestry, and that would lead to disenfranchisement, disposession, and
murder.
Candidates for the SS had to prove that they had no Jewish ancestors after
1750.
Even Hitler, at his wedding to Eva Braun, had to certify that he had no
Jewish ancestors.
> I think I get it. Knowing me I'm probally way of base.
You might want to check the history. You can find more information on this
if you learn about the Nuremberg Laws.
HTH
-pk
GovShill
OMFG, Jake! Did you take what I said in jest about a swarm, or a
gaggle being the collective noun for a bunch of jews seriously?
Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
I wonder what having no sense of humour is a symptom of...?
Shill #312
GovShill
<snip>
>jews
>Zionists
>Zionist jews
>jews
>jews
>Zionist
>jews.
>anit-semitism
>jewish bankers of Hamburg
>Hamburg jews
> jewsih bankers
>jews
>miserable evil fucking jews
>anti-christ
>jews
>jews
>jews
>anti-semitism
> The jews
> The jews forced germany into another War.
> And look mate, the jews are forcing us all into another War.
> Always for the jews.
> After WW2 the Zionist jews
>jewish bankers
> mainstream jews
>world jewry
>jews
>Do you realise that the jews killed Christ?
>Israeli orthodox Zionist jews
Hmmm... What's your point, Jake? Are you trying to tell us something?
Who do you think is responsible?
Shill #312
Fred Kasner
schon vergessen pronounced similarly to shoin fergessen - meaning
completely forgotten.
There is an old jewish joke about this: A Jewish man arrives as Ellis
Island and is superexcited when he is interviewed for admission. He is
asked what his name is but does not understand the question. The man
behind him translates and in his excitement the first man answes "schoen
forgessen" and the government clerk enters on his record "Shane
Ferguson". Strange name for an eastern European Jew.
FK
AirRaid
JESUITS. GOOGLE IT.
seon ferguson
"Patrick Keenan" <te...@dev.null> wrote in message
Well that's not be. I couldn't care less who your ancestors were in the
past. All I care about is what kind of person someone is now and I'm against
Zionism which isn't racial because I know about Jews who don't support
Zionism and I can be friends with them. Even ex Zionists like me I can get
along with. Yes I used to blindly support Israel before I found out about
its history and what's still going on.
But I agree some people don't have a balanced view of the middle east. I
dislike the Palestinians even more because they had a chance to get all the
land the Israel government took but instead decided not to forgive Israel.
seon ferguson
"Phlip" <phli...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>> Well then its being abused today to silence or discredit anyone who dares
>> oppose the actions of the Israel GOVERNMENT.
>
> Even if you are a drunk-driving billionaire movie creator...
>
>
seon ferguson
"War Office" <911fal...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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same way the Jews have been treated throughout Europe.
> And why can't you see that the jews brought that persecution upon
> themselves?
>
Yes by trying to live there own lives and live in piece with everyone else.
seon ferguson
"GovShill" <Gov....@gmail.com> wrote in message
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for the Jews by saying Christ never existed so the Jews never killed him,
damn.
seon ferguson
"AirRaid" <AirRa...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> ALL EVILS BLAMED ON THE JEWS, ARE ACTUALLY THE WORK OF THE CATHOLIC
> JESUITS. GOOGLE IT.
>
oppressed humanity throughout history. Are there Jesuits in the American
government? How do they control Bush?
seon ferguson
Yeah strange name for a Jew to but I'm glad my name sounds Jewish as I like
the Jews, well most of them.
Fred Kasner
It's hardly worth the effort to point out that almost everything you
claim is essentially total nonsense and without a shred of verifiable
evidence. The only major press controll the Jews of America have and had
in the past is the NY Times and the Racing Form (a paper concerned with
horse racing and betting on horse races.) This myth about controll of
the press is another of those invented fairy tales. As for the bankers
of Hamburg there was one very rich Jew in Hamburg who developed it into
a major port city from a sleepy Hanseatic League port. A good part of
the rebirth of Hamburg in recent years was named for him because he did
so much for pre-worldwar I Germany. The only international bankers who
were Jewish were the Rothchilds in Germany, France, and Britain. They
also sent a banker to the USA who converted to Christianity, renamed
himself August Belmont and became a power in the Democratic Party prior
to the Civil War. He was small peanuts compared to Morgan and his cohort
of USA bankers. The myth that Jewish bankers control most of the world's
banks is just that a myth. Some modest size investment banks derived
from Wall Street brokerages were started by, in come cases, Jews.
However the control of those are generally in the hands of Christians
for the most part. But then again I doubt that you will believe this
because it doesn't fit the conclusion you want to arrive at. What you
have is a formal belief and then hunt for any scrap of purported
evidence that can be puffed up to make it appear that your forgone
conclusion is verified.
FK
Fred Kasner
He doesn't even want to use the evidence of the Bible. The Jews had a
particular punishment for abomination. It was execution by stoning. In
other words the community had to assume the responsibility for the death
of the offender. The claim of being the Messiah was such an abomination.
And as such if the Jews had convicted him he would have been stoned to
death. However it was the Romans that sentenced him to death and
crucified Jesus. This was a common barbaric Roman method of execution
and not a Jewish execution. But then again he will figure out how the
Jews forced the Romans (you know how well the Jews controlled the
Romans) to condemn and execute Jesus. Probably the Jews who controlled
the world press that applied the pressure to the Romans and made them do
it. Sure.
FK
seon ferguson
Nonsense, not a shred of evidence? Look at what Israel did in the war
against the innocent people in Lebanon last year. Of course someone like you
will make apologies for the people who control Israel or think killing dem
dirty Arabs is a good thing.
I never said the Jews control the world. People who claim that generally
cant accept that things are this bad because the American people let them
get this way.
Fred Kasner
If the Hizbollah were hiding among civilians and the civilians either
stayed put or were convinced by the gunmen to stay put then what do you
think was going to happen to the civilians when the gunmen fired from
among the unarmed civilians? No question that it was bad planning by the
IDF on how to deal with Hizbollah hiding among unarmed civilians. What
would you have suggested that the IDF do deal with armed men crossing
their border and kidnapping members of their army? Remember that Israel
is a very small country and the friends and family of any one kidnapped
person is remarkably sizable fraction of the population (after leaving
out the Christians, Muslims, and orthodox Jews who do not serve in the
armed forces.)
Remember the Jews have a long history of nor reacting violently to
attacks on them but have decided "Never again!"
FK
seon ferguson
Well I wouldn't fight terrorism with more terrorism. If you're against a
country for crossing its boarder and kidnapping soldiers then why aren't you
against the Israel government's kidnapping of Palestinian prisoners? They're
the ones who started it.
Ah the old persecution complex, yep it was the Muslims who caused the
holocaust. Hitler worshiped Allah didn't he.
BDK
01.iinet.net.au>, se...@iinet.net.au says...
Seon, sometimes you really worry me. You come up with some of the most
whacked out stuff, and seem to think it's even remotely reasonable.
BDK
Phlip
>> holocaust. Hitler worshiped Allah didn't he.
> Seon, sometimes you really worry me. You come up with some of the most
> whacked out stuff, and seem to think it's even remotely reasonable.
He used ... sarcasm. Dramatic ironies, metaphors, bathos, puns, litotes, and
satire.
He was vicious!
--
Phlip
http://flea.sourceforge.net/PiglegToo_1.html
seon ferguson
>>> Ah the old persecution complex, yep it was the Muslims who caused the
>>> holocaust. Hitler worshiped Allah didn't he.
>
>> Seon, sometimes you really worry me. You come up with some of the most
>> whacked out stuff, and seem to think it's even remotely reasonable.
>
> He used ... sarcasm. Dramatic ironies, metaphors, bathos, puns, litotes,
> and satire.
>
> He was vicious!
>
>
they hear it (or read it)
seon ferguson
"BDK" <B...@shillsrus.com> wrote in message
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you do, just making double sure.
Richard Schultz
: There is an old jewish joke about this: A Jewish man arrives as Ellis
: Island and is superexcited when he is interviewed for admission. He is
: asked what his name is but does not understand the question. The man
: behind him translates and in his excitement the first man answes "schoen
: forgessen" and the government clerk enters on his record "Shane
: Ferguson". Strange name for an eastern European Jew.
If it makes you feel any better, you managed to completely screw up
the joke.
-----
Richard Schultz sch...@mail.biu.ac.il
Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel
Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University
-----
"an optimist is a guy/ that has never had/ much experience"
Phlip
> the joke.
Why are so many Italian Americans named "Tony"?
Because when they arrived at Ellis Island, they were all given tags saying,
"to NY".
--
Phlip
http://flea.sourceforge.net/PiglegToo_1.html
Richard Schultz
: Yeah strange name for a Jew to but I'm glad my name sounds Jewish as I like
: the Jews, well most of them.
Yes, some of your best friends are Jewish -- as long as they don't profess
any of the tenets of Judaism.
-----
Richard Schultz sch...@mail.biu.ac.il
Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel
Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University
-----
"Apparently, you take me for a complete fool."
"Yeah -- more or less."
Bob & Ray, "Garish Summit"
BDK
01.iinet.net.au>, se...@iinet.net.au says...
Yeah, but I was mainly talking about the whole "poor Palestinians" shit.
If the Arabs would just accept the reality that Israel is here to stay,
and stop promoting terror (and conventional) attacks, that Israel would
leave them the fuck alone. When's the last time Israel did anything to
the Egyptians? A long time. Their fellow arabs can't make that claim.
BDK
seon ferguson
I didn't bring up the poor Palestinians stuff all I was saying is Israel was
the one who crossed the boarder first so if people are against Palestine for
kidnapping Israel soldiers then they should be against Israel for doing
that.
I agree with you and I'm pretty sure I have posted something along those
lines. All they have to do is forgive Israel and then try and get the best
deal they can.
Plus I'm sure if Palestinians were using Jewish children as human shields
there would be a huge up roar.
seon ferguson
> In sci.chem seon ferguson <se...@iinet.net.au> wrote:
>
> : Yeah strange name for a Jew to but I'm glad my name sounds Jewish as I
> like
> : the Jews, well most of them.
>
> Yes, some of your best friends are Jewish -- as long as they don't profess
> any of the tenets of Judaism.
>
>
as an excuse to hate others. Its Zionism I don't like, got that? Or can you
not comprehend the fact that you can be against a political ideology ie
republican's or Zionists but at the same time care about the people who
believe in it (or don't)
Maybe you should say "I know nothing about him col. Hogan nooothhhing"
Richard Schultz
That you are ignorant of the relationship between Zionism and the tenets
of Judaism is obvious, but not my problem. I'd rather ask you -- of all
of the forms of nationalism on the planet, why is it that the only one that
you can bring yourself to object to (at least in sci.chem, of all places)
is Jewish nationalism?
: Maybe you should say "I know nothing about him col. Hogan nooothhhing"
Yes, you must be disappointed that the Nazis didn't get my grandmother --
only the rest of her family.
Phlip
> That you are ignorant of the relationship between Zionism and the tenets
> of Judaism is obvious, but not my problem. I'd rather ask you -- of all
> of the forms of nationalism on the planet, why is it that the only one
> that
> you can bring yourself to object to (at least in sci.chem, of all places)
> is Jewish nationalism?
The other ones don't have Dick Cheney's left nut in the palms of their
hands.
--
Phlip
http://flea.sourceforge.net/PiglegToo_1.html
seon ferguson
> In sci.chem seon ferguson <se...@iinet.net.au> wrote:
> : "Richard Schultz" <sch...@mail.biu.ack.il> wrote in message
> : news:f278ja$gdc$3...@news.iucc.ac.il...
> :> In sci.chem seon ferguson <se...@iinet.net.au> wrote:
>
> :> : Yeah strange name for a Jew to but I'm glad my name sounds Jewish as
> I
> :> : like the Jews, well most of them.
>
> :> Yes, some of your best friends are Jewish -- as long as they don't
> profess
> :> any of the tenets of Judaism.
>
> : Wrong again I don't care what religion you are as long as you don't use
> it
> : as an excuse to hate others. Its Zionism I don't like, got that? Or can
> you
> : not comprehend the fact that you can be against a political ideology ie
> : republican's or Zionists but at the same time care about the people who
> : believe in it (or don't)
>
> That you are ignorant of the relationship between Zionism and the tenets
> of Judaism is obvious, but not my problem. I'd rather ask you -- of all
> of the forms of nationalism on the planet, why is it that the only one
> that
> you can bring yourself to object to (at least in sci.chem, of all places)
> is Jewish nationalism?
>
republican party and think its patriotic to trust everything the president
does. But what's the point in arguing you're the type of Jew who worships
Israel and see's anyone who is against a government who murders innocent
women and children as anti sematic. Its pointless trying to prove to people
like you I'm not. About as pointless as trying to prove to a right ring
retard that I don't support terrorism or a Jew hater (a real Jew hater) that
I'm not Jewish. You're just as bad as they are. I know I don't hate the Jews
so if you want to believe I do then go right ahead.
> : Maybe you should say "I know nothing about him col. Hogan nooothhhing"
>
> Yes, you must be disappointed that the Nazis didn't get my grandmother --
> only the rest of her family.
>
>
Nope I'm dissapointed the Jews got anyone at all.
hanson
wrote in message news:f29n3e$lo9$4...@news.iucc.ac.il...
> In sci.chem Schon vergessen seon ferguson <se...@iinet.net.au> wrote:
> : "Richard Schultz" <sch...@mail.biu.ack.il> wrote in message
> : news:f278ja$gdc$3...@news.iucc.ac.il...
>
> :> In sci.chem seon ferguson <se...@iinet.net.au> wrote:
> :> : Yeah strange name for a Jew to but I'm glad my name sounds
> :> : Jewish as I like the Jews, well most of them.
[the accuser finds the Schuld]
> :> Yes, some of your best friends are Jewish
> :> -- as long as they don't profess any of the tenets of Judaism.
>
[Schon vergessen]
> : Wrong again I don't care what religion you are as long as you
> : don't use it as an excuse to hate others. Its Zionism I don't like,
> : got that? Or can you not comprehend the fact that you can be
> : against a political ideology ie republican's or Zionists but at the
> : same time care about the people who believe in it (or don't)
>
[the accuser finds the Schuld]
> That you are ignorant of the relationship between Zionism and the
> tenets of Judaism is obvious, but not my problem. I'd rather ask you
> -- of all of the forms of nationalism on the planet, why is it that the
> only one that you can bring yourself to object to (at least in sci.chem,
> of all places) is Jewish nationalism?
>
[Schon vergessen]
> : Maybe you should say
> : "I know nothing about him col. Hogan nooothhhing"
>
[the accuser finds the Schuld]
> Yes, you must be disappointed that the Nazis didn't get my
> grandmother -- only the rest of her family.
> Richard Schultz sch...@mail.biu.ac.il
> Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel
>
[hanson]
ahahaha... AHAHAHA... AHAHA. So, even a Schon Vergessener
got to you as you indicted him for his Schuld.... ahahaha... What
make you so nervous, Schultz, that you have to invoke your own
grandmother?.. ahaha... and go to extreme lengths to defend your
own Schuld for being part of something that you did not create
nor need to have to survive... Is it Jewishe Guilt?.... ahahahaha....
But here is help and a solution for you, old chum...: Religion is not
something that you are born with, like race. And from your own pix
one can see that you look anything but Jewish. You look like where
you came from, ... from some Slavic gene stock, where your real
ancestor was an unwanted birth, possibly from a rich or noble local
goy woman in Central Europe/Russia. Your undesired ancestor was
given to the Yidds in the local Shtettl, which (very NOBLY) served
as the orphan depository, (and it prevented their own inbreeding)...
wherein s/he got adopted and raised as a Jew... the rest is history.
>
Most current European Jews originated like that. In fact that is one
of the Assventers big complaints: ... That very many, even less (than
you) Jewish looking, pale freckle-faced, red haired and blue eyed
Jews came to steal their land, claiming that they were descendants
of the ancient Israelites.
>
So, your Jewishness is not stock but acquired beliefs... not any
different then for any member of the 3 cursed monotheistic faiths.
So, do not be surprised that your beliefs are getting attacked...
...especially since all 3 of these faiths claim to have some special
dispensations of some fucking god.... and now you go and up the
ante here and you advertise your religion as Jewish nationalism,
as Zionism, which has produced current gems like this gentleman:
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=e1842edc4f .. and has recently
produced 1 million refugees over the kidnapping of 2 Jewish soldiers
or even worse, by its own founder of Zionism, Herschel, who said
that "Suffering of Jews must increase", and Israel's ex PM Ariel
Sharon who said that "he does all he can to increase Anti-Semitism".
>
We all know that this is the Jews' way to bring the Jews home to their
"promised land", to reverse the Diaspora, & to become a "soldier in
Sharon's army of light" to shine onto the goyim.
>
So, to your credit, Richie, you have done some fine soldiering for
your cause here. Your light though, Richard,.... well... ahahaha...
>
Anyway, consider the future of your own offspring: Richard. It is bleak.
The ass-venters will outbreed you. And real peace will only come
to Israel when it has reached the size of a city... like the Vatican or
Mecca... so that none of the 3 faiths can point fingers at each other
over this secular/spiritual conflict issue.
>
And (collectively) stop fishing for and accepting 3-7 billion dollars
each year from the table of poor American taxpayers. That is my
only beef against the Jews. Beg $$ from your well-to-do US Jews.
That is alright by me. Except I'd hate to see all/most Jews leave the
US. The fucking Evangelicals, Falwell, Roberts, etc will take over
at once & not only go for the money but also for behavior and soul.
>
You Jews have a different role (if you have any) to play then to set
up the conditions for the next world war... Don't you.... or do you?
ahaha... ahahahanson
Epilog:
It looks like that "seon ferguson" <se...@iinet.net.au> has really NOT
"Schon vergessen" you as can be seen in his message
news:46491330$0$9098$5a62...@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
which he ended with a classical Freudian slip... ahahaha....
Richard Schultz
: "Richard Schultz" <sch...@mail.biu.ack.il> wrote in message
:> That you are ignorant of the relationship between Zionism and the tenets
:> of Judaism is obvious, but not my problem. I'd rather ask you -- of all
:> of the forms of nationalism on the planet, why is it that the only one
:> that you can bring yourself to object to (at least in sci.chem, of all
:> places) is Jewish nationalism?
: I also object to American nationalism. The types who are loyal to the
: republican party and think its patriotic to trust everything the president
: does.
That wasn't the question that I asked.
: But what's the point in arguing you're the type of Jew who worships
: Israel and see's anyone who is against a government who murders innocent
: women and children as anti sematic.
What evidence do you have that the Israeli government "murders innocent
women and children"? And even if it were true, why do you object to the
actions of the Israeli government, but not those of Hizbullah, which does
murder innocent women and children? Or of such organizations as the
Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigaes and Hamas, which deliberately target innocent
civilians, and deliberately put civilians in harm's way?
: Its pointless trying to prove to people
: like you I'm not. About as pointless as trying to prove to a right ring
: retard that I don't support terrorism or a Jew hater (a real Jew hater) that
: I'm not Jewish. You're just as bad as they are. I know I don't hate the Jews
: so if you want to believe I do then go right ahead.
As I said, you don't hate the Jews as long as they don't profess the
tenets of their religion.
:> : Maybe you should say "I know nothing about him col. Hogan nooothhhing"
:> Yes, you must be disappointed that the Nazis didn't get my grandmother --
:> only the rest of her family.
: Nope I'm dissapointed the Jews got anyone at all.
Do you enjoy making a fool of yourself in public, or is it something that
you feel compelled to do without respect to whether you enjoy it or not?
-----
Richard Schultz sch...@mail.biu.ac.il
Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel
Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University
-----
". . . for while he was not dumber than an ox, he was not any smarter."
-- James Thurber, _My Life and Hard Times_
Richard Schultz
: Richard Schultz wrote:
:> That you are ignorant of the relationship between Zionism and the tenets
:> of Judaism is obvious, but not my problem. I'd rather ask you -- of all
:> of the forms of nationalism on the planet, why is it that the only one
:> that you can bring yourself to object to (at least in sci.chem, of all
:> places) is Jewish nationalism?
: The other ones don't have Dick Cheney's left nut in the palms of their
: hands.
Simple question: if the Zionists are as powerful as you say, why is
Jonathan Pollard still in jail?
-----
Richard Schultz sch...@mail.biu.ac.il
Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel
Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University
-----
Phlip
> : The other ones don't have Dick Cheney's left nut in the palms of their
> : hands.
>
> Simple question: if the Zionists are as powerful as you say, why is
> Jonathan Pollard still in jail?
A pause to WikiPedia him.
Because that's how the System works. Spooks turn on each other all the
time. If they have a good angle, their target only ends up in jail on
whatever bogus charge. If they don't have a good angle, they simply
disappear their target. This happens all the time, between spooks of
every stripe, and claiming one spook in jail somehow represents a lack
of incest between two states' governments is absurd. Tit for tat
always applies.
--
Phlip
Richard Schultz
: Richard Schultz wrote:
:
:> : The other ones don't have Dick Cheney's left nut in the palms of their
:> : hands.
:> Simple question: if the Zionists are as powerful as you say, why is
:> Jonathan Pollard still in jail?
: Because that's how the System works. Spooks turn on each other all the
: time. If they have a good angle, their target only ends up in jail on
: whatever bogus charge. If they don't have a good angle, they simply
: disappear their target. This happens all the time, between spooks of
: every stripe, and claiming one spook in jail somehow represents a lack
: of incest between two states' governments is absurd. Tit for tat
: always applies.
I realize that you revel in your ignorance, but you seem to be completely
unaware that various Zionist organizations have been lobbying the U.S.
government for Pollard's pardon basically since the U.S. government
reneged on its plea bargain -- that's four presidents who could have
pardoned him and refused to. Even Clinton (who pardoned just about anyone
he could) refused to pardon Pollard. If the Zionists were as powerful
as you say, either the U.S. government wouldn't have been powerful enough
to renege on the deal in the first place, or the people who engineered his
incarceration (e.g. Caspar Weinberger) would have suffered serious
consequences, or he would have been pardoned. If the Zionists can't even
free one lousy prisoner, how can they possibly be controlling the world
nearly as well as you seem to think?
hanson
> In sci.chem Phlip <phli...@gmail.com> wrotein message
news:1179412409.5...@u30g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
>
[US Jew turned Isareli, Richard Schultz wrote]
> :> Simple question: if the Zionists are as powerful as you,
> :> Phlip, say, why is Jonathan Pollard still in jail?
>
[hanson]
Convicted traitor Jonathan Pollard provided Israel with the names of a
number of key CIA agents in the Soviet Union, who were executed as
a result of Israel who provided Pollard's treacherous info to the Soviet
Union in exchange for continued Soviet permission for Jews to emigrate
to Israel. -- Jonathan Pollard sold the techniques that the US Navy used
to track Soviet submarines around the world to Israel. He stole and sold
the latest version of US Radio-Signal Notations manual detailing the
US's global electronic surveillance network. -- Pollard got life in prison.
The Israeli government has paid for at least two of Pollard's attorneys,
the same Israel that received/s, for the past 60 years, $3-7 Billion
US tax dollars each year off the tables from poor America Families!!...
>
[Schultz to Phlip]
> I realize that you revel in your ignorance, but you seem to be completely
> unaware that various Zionist organizations have been lobbying the U.S.
> government for Pollard's pardon basically since the U.S. government
> reneged on its plea bargain -- that's four presidents who could have
> pardoned him and refused to. Even Clinton (who pardoned just about anyone
> he could) refused to pardon Pollard. If the Zionists were as powerful
> as you say, either the U.S. government wouldn't have been powerful enough
> to renege on the deal in the first place, or the people who engineered his
> incarceration (e.g. Caspar Weinberger) would have suffered serious
> consequences, or he would have been pardoned. If the Zionists can't even
> free one lousy prisoner, how can they possibly be controlling the world
> nearly as well as you seem to think?
> -----
>
[hanson]
Richie, I am (OTOH perhaps not too) surprised to hear you defend
your soul mate, traitor Jonathan Pollard, under the guise of Zionism
which is according to you Jewish Nationalism. Do you still carry a US
Passport, Riche, & is that how you thank the US taxpayer for your
protection and education that you received and enjoyed in your native
quarters near Los Angeles? Now with your revelations about yourself
above you make it clear where you are coming from. -- Bad scene.
Your notions are not very endearing for/to the poor US goyim families
who were forced to give their hard-earned money for your causes off
their meager meals on their dinner tables -- Both you and the traitor
Pollard give the impression now to belong to this august class &
intellectual type of Jew:
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=e1842edc4f
But thanks for the laughs, Richie. To me you Yidds will always remain
the most entertaining folks there are...
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.chem/msg/40b951c1e2473cfb
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics/msg/be8452e683364a49
http://sandiego.indymedia.org/en/2002/04/1003.shtml
ahahaha.... ahahanson