Brett Lee's beamer actually HIT Sachin Tendulkar where as
SreeSanths beamer missed Kevin Pietersen by feet.
Mike Holmans, Andrew Dunford, will_s, c00ps, dechuka, Dave Turner, Mango,
Paul Robson and the rest of the lynch mob will be as usual absent from this
thread.
I wonder what Mike Atherton and Ian Chappell and the rest of the
motherfuckers will say about Brett Lee's beamer.
These bastards kept complaining that SreeSanth should be disciplined.
Did you notice there were not many comments from the commentators
about Brett Lee's beamer.
Hey leech Myrtle,
Why dont you stay out of this thread since you have no
clue about what happened on rsc after SreeSanths beamer.
I didn't realise I needed your permission to post comments pointing out your
one eyed zenophobic comments.
actually chappell said something like "he has had that problem before,
remember bracewell" or something to that effect. i thought it was
mccullum who had been at the receiving end before.
Moron,
Its not the question of tendulkar accepting the apology.
The whole Australians, Brits and SA fans were up in arms last year
when SreeSanth bowled a beamer to Kevin Pietersen that missed him
by a foot.
Compare that to Brett Lee's beamer that HIT Tendulkar in full force
on his shoulder when he was on 99.
Where is all the rsc lynch mob that lynched SreeSanth ?
Hey low iq racist bastard Myrtle,
Stay out of this thread since you have no clue abou the
history of SreeSanths beamer and the subsequent rsc lynch
mob's baying for SreeSanths blood.
If you cant understand this simple english, go buy a fucking
English dictionary and shove it up your racist ass.
Was that enough compared to the lynching of SreeSanth by
the commentators and sports columnists including Ian Chappell
who later penned a column and asked India to discipline SreeSanth ?
So comments from other people gives you the excuse to act like a racist
idiot?
I have seen racist comments from Australians and Indians here but no-one
sinks to your level.
You can look back at any of my posts. I have not and will never resort to
your level.
You can post under Coverpoint, Jason Gillespie, StraightDrive or any other
name. It is easy to spot you.
Get a life. Preferably a non racist one.
Fuck off racist bastard boreturd.
I have no time to kick your racist bastards ass.
Get a fucking non-racist life.
You put a lot of thought into that reply.
Everyone who is not an indian is a racist. Sucks to be you.
They've been absent all evening.
I'm sure the usual suspects will be back if Austria win the 2nd final
Higgs
You claimed yourself as an ape. Ape have lower IQ than human. Myrtle is a
normal
human so his IQ is obviously higher than an ape like you.
>
> Stay out of this thread since you have no clue abou the
> history of SreeSanths beamer and the subsequent rsc lynch
> mob's baying for SreeSanths blood.
Can the ape return to the zoo please and stop spill the shit out of your
mouth.
Yes, because you are returning to the zoo tomorrow and getting raped by your
fellow apes.
Why bother arguing with an ape ? Normal human being should not try to argue
with an ape specially this
self claimed ape.
>
I never knew that Austria played ODI cricket as well. :-)
I guess you meant Australia, Higgsy.
For the record ... the first person to insinuate that the Sreesanth
beamer was intentional was Sunil Gavaskar on TMS. The other comms did
not see any sinister motive in that delivery and just moved on. But
Gavaskar just went on and on - guess what, some other worthies also
followed suit.
Atherton and Chappell are not exactly the epitome of correctness, but
in this case we should give the 'credit' where it is due.
I thought the way Sachin and Lee handled this was very classy. No
histrionics, nothing. Far cry from the silliness shown by some other
players of both teams in the last few months !
Ask the forked tongued pussies who watched me harass, threaten and
put fear of god in men (born pussies) of your race over the last
few years.
Since you didnt know here are a couple of facts.
Once I harassed one of your forked tongued pussies for about 15 minutes
on the road so much so that pussy maintained a distance of 1 mile from my
vehicle and NEVER DARED to come close to me.
Another time I forced one of your forked tongued pussies pull off the road
and stop on the shoulder.
Another time one of your forked tongued pussies told me in a parking lot
that he was scared of my driving and I retorted I LIKE TO DRIVE
THAT WAY.
ROFLMAO
Dumbbitch John,
Follow your own advice and fuck off to pussy game baseball newsgroups.
Supeior skinned dumb bitch John was created by Lord Jesus out of thin air
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.sport.cricket/msg/03265c6f7779b31c
Supeior skinned dumb bitch John was created by Lord Jesus out of thin air
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.sport.cricket/msg/03265c6f7779b31c
Jumping onto the resident loon troll's bandwagon is a sign of desperation.
I can't speak for the others but the first (and possibly only relevant)
reason I didn't join this thread before you posted to it is because all of
its previous participants are in my killfile on the grounds that they post
nothing but nonsense.
I don't know why I'm bothering to explain this but actually I sent several
posts to rsc during India's innings last night. The other reason for not
joining the thread is because I never criticised Sreesanth for his beamer in
the first place or accused him of bowling deliberately, as should be obvious
enough:
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.sport.cricket/msg/3273d663a5109f94
On the flip side I have previously accused Lee of bowling a deliberate
beamer:
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.sport.cricket/msg/b8ae5562eb32a9ae
For the record, I would give Lee the benefit of the doubt with that delivery
last night because the ball was obviously slippery and difficult to grip
judging by the amount of time spent attempting to dry it immediately prior
to Lee sending down the full toss. The stuff posted by the resident loon
about the ball somehow being worse because it hit the batsman is irrelevant.
If you wish to enjoy a reputation in rsc on a par with the resident idiot to
whom you responded, carry on.
Andrew
Freaking idiot Andrew,
I never said Lee is Worse than SreeSanth.
I merely asked the posters to COMPARE the REACTIONS to
each BEAMER.
SreeSanth was LYNCHED while Brett Lee was NOT even criticized by
the resident rsc RACIST MAFIA headed by YOU.
> If you wish to enjoy a reputation in rsc on a par with the resident idiot
> to whom you responded, carry on.
>
> Andrew
Andrew moron,
Your cricket knowledge is a joke, your wit and sarcasm skills are a joke,
cricinfo columnists are fucking jokers for mentioning your name on their
website.
You are the same genius who argued on rsc that India was NOT humiliated
by NZ in NZ even though India lost the test series 0-2 and the ODI series
2-5 to NZ just before 2003 world cup.
Western worshipping low iq'ed Indian slaves like spadmanabhan and his
ilk will continue to worship you for your superior skin regardless of the
useless garbage you post on rsc.
>>For the record ... the first person to insinuate that the Sreesanth
>>beamer was intentional was Sunil Gavaskar on TMS.
So ??
>>The other comms did
>>not see any sinister motive in that delivery and just moved on. But
>>Gavaskar just went on and on - guess what, some other worthies also
>>followed suit.
>>Atherton and Chappell are not exactly the epitome of correctness, but
>>in this case we should give the 'credit' where it is due.
Gavaskar must be vilified but Atherton should be given credit ??
You must have an axe to grind on Gavaskar.
>>I thought the way Sachin and Lee handled this was very classy. No
>>histrionics, nothing. Far cry from the silliness shown by some other
>>players of both teams in the last few months !
Why do you post all this useless irrelevant garbage and divert the
thread ?
TWO BEAMERS from TWO CRICKET PLAYERS, one with hardly
15 tests experience in SreeSanth and the other with 50+ tests and 200+
ODIs experience in Brett Lee.
The former is a subcontinental and the later is a superior skinned Aussie.
Compare and contrast the REACTIONS from the players, the commentators,
the crowd and the rsc mafia loons and goons headed by Andrew Dunford.
SIMPLE and CASE CLOSED.
Difference between Indian race and the Western Races - THE BIG PICTURE PROOF
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.sport.cricket/msg/450cded99c5f55ec
What on earth makes you think I am going to sit up all night taking an
interest some crappy odo which is going to disappoint one way or t'other on
the grounds that I want both sides to lose and one of them won't?
Cheers,
Mike
--
Not only that, the actual speed of the ball from the hand was 137kph
-- quite a bit slower than the average 145-149 he had been bowling, so
my guess would have been that he lost control of an attempted yorker.
Fran
Who said anything about cricket? The Higgs is clearly referring to the giant
slalom:
http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5j9l2tnYeVrh7tbJ2UQe7JE3_JdVw
Andrew
That's a lie. Australia lost yesterday and India are losing every game
they're playing.
-St. Hayden.
>>-St. Hayden.
Hahahaha......Holmans might not get it.
Slalom: going down hill with little control where you are going.
Seems a lot like Lee. The only difference I can see is that Slalom is
actually fast.
On the beamer: it was inevitable. Two good yorkers in a row and the
average length accuracy was heading for a large correction.
Moby
Sydney is in Australia, Brett Lee's home.
Hasnt Brett Lee bowled in similar conditions before in his home country ?
Is this the first time he bowled in a day night game chase in dew ?
SreeSanth was not given an iota of benefit of doubt if I recall correctly.
>The stuff posted by the resident loon about the ball somehow being worse
>because it hit the batsman is irrelevant.
It is relevant to the discussion since SreeSanths beamer didnt hit Kevin but
was
lynched while Lee's beamer struck Tendulkar on the shoulder but was not
criticized by the media.
> If you wish to enjoy a reputation in rsc on a par with the resident idiot
> to whom you responded, carry on.
>
> Andrew
I agree he is an idiot but he has good points.
>>Fran
I heard commentators saying it struck tendulkar and was bowled at
148-9 kph.
> I heard commentators saying it struck tendulkar and was bowled at
> 148-9 kph.- Hide quoted text -
The speed I saw was 141. I'm not sure he'd be able to bowl a beamer
at the speed you gave even if he tried, but the point is well made
that it certainly was not a "slower" delivery.
Why, exactly, is anyone surprised that Brett Lee didn't bowl very
accurately? He never has before.
Moby
> I heard commentators saying it struck tendulkar and was bowled at
> 148-9 kph.- Hide quoted text -
> The speed I saw was 141. I'm not sure he'd be able to bowl a beamer
> at the speed you gave even if he tried, but the point is well made
> that it certainly was not a "slower" delivery.
Whilst the exact speed is not desperately important, it's amazing how
different these various recollections are. The measurement on the speed gun
was 143.6kph:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7LmBZhZDmE
<snip>
Andrew
Thanks, Andrew. I was a little unclear. I also believe that the
exact speed wasn't important - just that it clearly wasn't a
slowerball. Whether 138, 141, 143.6 or 149, none of these are "slower
balls." Even 138 is only just below the pace Lee typically bowls in
test matches and pretty much exactly the speed of his warm-up balls in
odos.
And quite true on the recollection. Pity there aren't a few more
balls either side of that beamer so we can see if any of us have
transferred data from another delivery in our minds.
Moby
Well on Channel Nine, 'the tracker' had it at 137 from the hand and
131 crossing the crease line ...
Fran
The measurement I gave was from Channel 9. Perhaps the tracker uses
different technology - dunno.
Andrew
GENUINE is a bit of an act when the same bowler has a history...
There was one - forget who but it was on the lines - he has been doing
it a bit recently.
Sure was - several times.
...of being erratic?
Accuracy - not something Brett Lee is notable for.
Moby
That'll teach him to drink VB - makes you lose your memory.
That used to be true, but is it now? To me, GB looks to have taken a step
up this Aus season: he's rarely bowled a bad spell - maybe the odd bad
over, but even the bad balls have been much rarer than they used to be.
I didn't see the beamer in question, so my comment is not really relevant
to the present discussion, but it seems like a good moment to pin a vaguely
rational QCCCCCCCC member to the wall and get him to admit that Bung might
have some merits after all.
Cheers,
Mike
--
It's often said of cricketers, those not picked for their batting,
that they aren't the bowler that they used to be. This is certainly
the case with Lee - he's a much better bowler than he once was, and
still quick with it.
He's matured in general. Not just working smarter and bowling with
more control, but in having moved up the ladder the last few years to
being, as he now is, the senior bowler in the Australian side.
But Miiiiike... there's beer involved.
Yes, ok, he's getting better. He's still no where near as good as
some would want us to think - nor is he really effective as a strike
bowler. But he does deserve a place in the current side... both odo
and tests. And I'll even go so far as to say that that spot isn't
entirely due to a lack of quality bolwers to replace him.
I'll still stand by the comment that he's not known for his accuracy.
Perhaps over time he will be - but not bowling absolute and complete
rubbish is a new thing for him - every since his injury so many years
ago.
Moby
>
> Que?
>
> It's often said of cricketers, those not picked for their batting,
> that they aren't the bowler that they used to be. This is certainly
> the case with Lee - he's a much better bowler than he once was, and
> still quick with it.
>
> He's matured in general. Not just working smarter and bowling with
> more control, but in having moved up the ladder the last few years to
> being, as he now is, the senior bowler in the Australian side.
ref: my reply to Mike. You know, you two are very mean. - forcing me
to acknowledge that he's "ok" in the face of the over-the-top hype.
Moby
My advice for apes specially the type that claim themselves to be ape rather
than human.
so please follow that advice. Ape.
>
>
>
Another time you forgot to mention is that I run my MAG truck over your
little car and squash it like
a little bug and you were scared shitless for the rest of your life....
>
>
>
Well, I'm sorry about that.
>Yes, ok, he's getting better. He's still no where near as good as
>some would want us to think - nor is he really effective as a strike
>bowler. But he does deserve a place in the current side... both odo
>and tests. And I'll even go so far as to say that that spot isn't
>entirely due to a lack of quality bolwers to replace him.
In four Tests against India, Lee took 24 wickets at 22.58 with a strike
rate of 46.71. In two Tests against Sri Lanka, he took 16 wickets at 17.56,
SR 35.50. So his winter haul has been 40 wickets at roughly 20, rough SR
40. Of his 40 victims, 11 were opening the innings.
Last winter against England, neither Warne nor McGrath matched those
performances statistically, though Stuart Clark turned in figures similar
to Lee's against SL this winter. (Lee himself took 20 wickets at 33 and SR
59, so we can safely conclude that he was still pretty ordinary last
season.)
And to these eyes, Lee has looked this season to be at least as good as any
fast bowler currently operating for any team anywhere.
I realise you Australians have high standards, but your comments above seem
to indicate that most ATGs would fail to meet them.
>I'll still stand by the comment that he's not known for his accuracy.
>Perhaps over time he will be - but not bowling absolute and complete
>rubbish is a new thing for him - every since his injury so many years
>ago.
The period between his injury and the beginning of the current Australian
season is long enough that it will always have to be taken into account
when assessing his career. Even if he bowels superbly for the next seven
years, the best assessment he will reach is that of someone whose career
had two halves, a good one and a bad one. He's been tolerated as a mediocre
boweller for a lot longer than Craig McDermott was, but I always recall
that McDermott was pretty awful for some time before he became a top
performer.
At this point, Lee is certainly not noted for being an accurate bowler,
since he hasn't been one since the injury - until this season, when I put
it to you that he has in fact been pretty accurate given that he is usually
bowelling at 140+kph, quite often over 145, and there are only half a dozen
bowellers in the history of cricket who have been extremely accurate at
that sort of pace (I can only think of Larwood, Ambrose, Malcolm Marshall,
Waqar Younis and the early Lillee, but I assume I've forgotten a couple).
Where he sometimes has gone wrong this season, as far as I can see it's
because he's trying to be too clever: he attempts a variation on his stock
fast ball and bowels slower or on a different intended length and it
doesn't come out quite right (which may well have been how this beamer I
didn't see occurred).
It may just be me being mischievous, but it strikes me that you seem to be
discounting an awful lot of good stuff so that you can continue to fixate
on Lee's alleged failings.
But then, if there's beer involved I can understand why.
Cheers,
Mike
--
That was a good one and you are crabgrass.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjoKXoW7mgk
So is it intentional now?
> Brett Lee's beamer actually HIT Sachin Tendulkar where as
> SreeSanths beamer missed Kevin Pietersen by feet.
maybe next time he bats he should put some squash balls in his helmet
and on his shoulders.