Hasnt any Eng/Aus/NZ bowlers bowled BEAMERS in the past ?
CricketLeague
Hasnt any Eng/NZ/Aus bowlers bowled beamers in the past ?
Whats the big freakin deal about SreeSanths beamer at Trentbridge.......
Move on clowns.........
SultanOfSwing
> Why are there so many threads about SreeSanths beamer ?
>
> Hasnt any Eng/NZ/Aus bowlers bowled beamers in the past ?
Brett Lee has bowled beamers in the past and apologised
for it as well. Bond may have bowled an occasional beamer
but has been quick to apologise to the batsman. In fact,
most fast bowlers are quick to apologise to the batsman
on bowling a beamer (an illegal delivery according to the
laws of Cricket).
The only bowler who thought the beamer to be a
legitimate delivery was Roy Gilchrist. Also I'm
not sure whether Michale Holding ever
apologised to the Indian batsmen after bowling
a barrage of beamers and bouncers in the
infamous "Bloodbath at Jamaica" Test in 1976.
John Hall
CricketLeague <Cricket...@USA.com> writes:
>Why are there so many threads about SreeSanths beamer ?
>
>Hasnt any Eng/NZ/Aus bowlers bowled beamers in the past ?
Yes. It hasn't happened very often, but they were severely criticised
when it did occur. The nationality of the bowler should have nothing
whatsoever to do with it.
>
>Whats the big freakin deal about SreeSanths beamer at Trentbridge.......
Because a ball above waist high that does not bounce is very difficult
for the batsman to pick up, and is therefore much more dangerous than a
bouncer that reaches the batsman at the same height. It could result in
serious injury or death. I think that's why cricket has traditionally
viewed bowling one as just about the most serious of all offences.
Law 42.6(b)(i) says:
"Any delivery, other than a slow paced one, which passes or would have
passed on the full above waist height of the striker standing upright at
the crease is to be deemed dangerous and unfair, whether or not it is
likely to inflict physical injury on the striker."
(ii) says than for a slow delivery, it's above the shoulder rather than
above the waist.
--
John Hall
"I am not young enough to know everything."
Oscar Wilde (1854-1900)
CricketLeague
"John Hall" <nospam...@jhall.co.uk> wrote in message
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> In article <13av0ad...@news.supernews.com>,
> CricketLeague <Cricket...@USA.com> writes:
>>Why are there so many threads about SreeSanths beamer ?
>>
>>Hasnt any Eng/NZ/Aus bowlers bowled beamers in the past ?
>
> Yes. It hasn't happened very often, but they were severely criticised
> when it did occur.
Yeah ?
Simon Jones bowled a beamer to Hayden in Ashes T3 in England in 2005.
I just googled for the words "beamer, Simon Jones" and gues what there are
hardly any comments and threads from England fans.....
>The nationality of the bowler should have nothing
> whatsoever to do with it.
May be you can explain to me whey there are only three or four comments
about Simon Jones' beamer.
Here is the link
>>Whats the big freakin deal about SreeSanths beamer at Trentbridge.......
>
> Because a ball above waist high that does not bounce is very difficult
> for the batsman to pick up, and is therefore much more dangerous than a
> bouncer that reaches the batsman at the same height. It could result in
> serious injury or death. I think that's why cricket has traditionally
> viewed bowling one as just about the most serious of all offences.
Thanks for educating me......I had no idea about beamers....
> Law 42.6(b)(i) says:
>
> "Any delivery, other than a slow paced one, which passes or would have
> passed on the full above waist height of the striker standing upright at
> the crease is to be deemed dangerous and unfair, whether or not it is
> likely to inflict physical injury on the striker."
>
> (ii) says than for a slow delivery, it's above the shoulder rather than
> above the waist.
> --
> John Hall
> "I am not young enough to know everything."
> Oscar Wilde (1854-1900)
I am really getting sick and tired of people posting all kinds of filth and
drivel without getting to the point........
Whats your frigging purpose of posting all these laws ?
I did NOT say, beamer is legal......did I ?
Paul Robson
>>Hasnt any Eng/NZ/Aus bowlers bowled beamers in the past ?
>
> Yes. It hasn't happened very often, but they were severely criticised
> when it did occur. The nationality of the bowler should have nothing
> whatsoever to do with it.
These are the rabid Indian fans. If Sreesanth had picked up a stump and
disembowelled Vaughan with it, they would attribute any criticism to
racism or some other such crap.
Southpaw
wrote:
All that's fine, but the most important question is whether any jelly
beans would've been found in Vaughan's bowels or not.
-Samarth.
CricketLeague
"Paul Robson" <pa...@robsons.org.muralichucks.uk> wrote in message
news:pan.2007.07.31...@robsons.org.muralichucks.uk...
Did SreeSanth pick up a stump and disembowel Vaughn ?
You still didnt answer why there are thousands and thousands of comments
about SreeSanths beamer as if no England bowler has bowled a beamer in the
past ?
Did SreeSanths beamer CHANGE the outcome of the match ?
Why do you bring the words "racism", "religion" into every thread and hide
behind them WITHOUT answering the queries ?
John Hall
CricketLeague <Cricket...@USA.com> writes:
>
>"John Hall" <nospam...@jhall.co.uk> wrote in message
>news:0BXcC2M$Z4rG...@jhall.demon.co.uk.invalid...
>> In article <13av0ad...@news.supernews.com>,
>> CricketLeague <Cricket...@USA.com> writes:
>>>Why are there so many threads about SreeSanths beamer ?
>>>
>>>Hasnt any Eng/NZ/Aus bowlers bowled beamers in the past ?
>>
>> Yes. It hasn't happened very often, but they were severely criticised
>> when it did occur.
>
>
>
>Yeah ?
>
>Simon Jones bowled a beamer to Hayden in Ashes T3 in England in 2005.
>
>I just googled for the words "beamer, Simon Jones" and gues what there are
>hardly any comments and threads from England fans.....
>
I had no idea what has been said about beamers on rsc in the past. I
only read a handful of the threads, and most of the posts that I do read
I quickly forget. I was thinking more broadly, about the reactions of
the authorities, the media and cricket lovers in general. I confess that
I failed to take in your question about "Why are there so many threads
about SreeSanths beamer ?"
To make inferences about the cricket lovers of a country based on that
country's most prolific posters to rsc would be very unwise, though.
You're talking about perhaps 10 or 20 people from any one country.
>
>
>>The nationality of the bowler should have nothing
>> whatsoever to do with it.
>
>
>
>May be you can explain to me whey there are only three or four comments
>about Simon Jones' beamer.
>Here is the link
>
>http://groups.google.com/group/rec.sport.cricket/search?hl=en&group=rec
>.sport.cricket&q=beamer+simon+jones
>
>
>
>>>Whats the big freakin deal about SreeSanths beamer at Trentbridge.......
>>
>> Because a ball above waist high that does not bounce is very difficult
>> for the batsman to pick up, and is therefore much more dangerous than a
>> bouncer that reaches the batsman at the same height. It could result in
>> serious injury or death. I think that's why cricket has traditionally
>> viewed bowling one as just about the most serious of all offences.
>
>
>Thanks for educating me......I had no idea about beamers....
>
>
>
>> Law 42.6(b)(i) says:
>>
>> "Any delivery, other than a slow paced one, which passes or would have
>> passed on the full above waist height of the striker standing upright at
>> the crease is to be deemed dangerous and unfair, whether or not it is
>> likely to inflict physical injury on the striker."
>>
>> (ii) says than for a slow delivery, it's above the shoulder rather than
>> above the waist.
>
>I am really getting sick and tired of people posting all kinds of filth and
>drivel without getting to the point........
>
>Whats your frigging purpose of posting all these laws ?
I don't know why I'm bothering to reply politely to you, when you would
apparently rather abuse me than have any sort of debate.
>
>I did NOT say, beamer is legal......did I ?
>
>
You didn't, but you didn't seem to think that Sreesanth had done
anything wrong, even if he bowled the beamer deliberately. I quoted the
law in an attempt to show how seriously beamers are viewed. You've just
said yourself that "I had no idea about beamers."
If Sreesanth bowled the beamer accidentally, he should have apologised,
as bowlers normally do in that situation. Sometimes a ball will slip
from the bowler's grasp and result in an accidental beamer, His apparent
failure to apologise is what annoyed people, I think. I notice that
Jones apologised in the case that you have discovered in 2005.
Added later: I now see that - according to Vaughan - Sreesanth has
apologised for the beamer, so I'm happy to forget about that incident.
CricketLeague
> In article <13av3fg...@news.supernews.com>,
> CricketLeague <Cricket...@USA.com> writes:
>>
>>"John Hall" <nospam...@jhall.co.uk> wrote in message
>>news:0BXcC2M$Z4rG...@jhall.demon.co.uk.invalid...
>>> In article <13av0ad...@news.supernews.com>,
>>> CricketLeague <Cricket...@USA.com> writes:
>>>>Why are there so many threads about SreeSanths beamer ?
>>>>
>>>>Hasnt any Eng/NZ/Aus bowlers bowled beamers in the past ?
>>>
>>> Yes. It hasn't happened very often, but they were severely criticised
>>> when it did occur.
>>
>>
>>
>>Yeah ?
>>
>>Simon Jones bowled a beamer to Hayden in Ashes T3 in England in 2005.
>>
>>I just googled for the words "beamer, Simon Jones" and gues what there are
>>hardly any comments and threads from England fans.....
>>
>
> I had no idea what has been said about beamers on rsc in the past. I
> only read a handful of the threads, and most of the posts that I do read
> I quickly forget. I was thinking more broadly, about the reactions of
> the authorities, the media and cricket lovers in general.
> I confess that
> I failed to take in your question about "Why are there so many threads
> about SreeSanths beamer ?"
Which is exactly the problem with many Eng/Aus/NZ fans........They keep
posting tonnes and tonnes of drivel which has nothing to do with my
query....
> To make inferences about the cricket lovers of a country based on that
> country's most prolific posters to rsc would be very unwise, though.
> You're talking about perhaps 10 or 20 people from any one country.
I posted my comments to ONLY rsc.......STOP diverting the attention..
I dont care about your politeness.......
The question remains why did you post all that laws as if I didnt know ??
>>I did NOT say, beamer is legal......did I ?
>>
>>
>
> You didn't, but you didn't seem to think that Sreesanth had done
> anything wrong, even if he bowled the beamer deliberately.
Moron,
The umpire called it a beamer and warned SreeSanth.......He apologized to
the batsman nd that was that........
And you still wonder why you dont deserve to be abused.......
>I quoted the
> law in an attempt to show how seriously beamers are viewed. You've just
> said yourself that "I had no idea about beamers."
> If Sreesanth bowled the beamer accidentally, he should have apologised,
> as bowlers normally do in that situation. Sometimes a ball will slip
> from the bowler's grasp and result in an accidental beamer,
>His apparent
> failure to apologise is what annoyed people, I think.
It is for this reason you fuckers are so HATED around the world........
In case you are still wondering.....its because you LIE, CHEAT, SPIN and
CONCOCT not on occasiona but EVERY SECOND of your pathetic lives.....
dechucka
"CricketLeague" <Cricket...@USA.com> wrote in message
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> Why are there so many threads about SreeSanths beamer ?
yes and there were huge long threads about them.
>
> Hasnt any Eng/NZ/Aus bowlers bowled beamers in the past ?
yes and there were huge long threads about them
Phil.
> "John Hall" <nospam_no...@jhall.co.uk> wrote in message
>
> news:0BXcC2M$Z4rG...@jhall.demon.co.uk.invalid...
>
> > In article <13av0add51gs...@news.supernews.com>,
> > CricketLeague <CricketlLea...@USA.com> writes:
> >>Why are there so many threads about SreeSanths beamer ?
>
> >>Hasnt any Eng/NZ/Aus bowlers bowled beamers in the past ?
>
> > Yes. It hasn't happened very often, but they were severely criticised
> > when it did occur.
>
> Yeah ?
>
> Simon Jones bowled a beamer to Hayden in Ashes T3 in England in 2005.
>
> I just googled for the words "beamer, Simon Jones" and gues what there are
> hardly any comments and threads from England fans.....
>
> >The nationality of the bowler should have nothing
> > whatsoever to do with it.
>
> May be you can explain to me whey there are only three or four comments
> about Simon Jones' beamer.
> Here is the link
>
>
> >>Whats the big freakin deal about SreeSanths beamer at Trentbridge.......
Easy, Jones' beamer at Old Trafford was a wild full toss outside the
off, so wide that the diving keeper wasn't able to reach it and it
scored 4 byes. So unthreatening was it that it wasn't mentioned in the
Aussie press, Sreesanth's however was at head height and caused the
batsman to hit the deck. Sreesanth's would have received less
attention if during that day he hadn't already charged one of the
England batsman (50% fine), then later kicked at one of the batsmen
while the batsman was completing a run, bowled another fast full toss
that was certainly very close to another beamer, and bowled a run
through bouncer from about 6ft over the crease, all the while acting
very aggressively and showing a level of dissent against decisions
which normally brings a fine. So the "big freakin deal" was that he
was behaving like a king-sized ass and was totally out of control
which led many to doubt whether the beamer was in fact accidental,
including his fellow countryman, Gavaskar.
The reason your attitude is so objectional was that you regarded it as
a 'the allowed quota of one' whereas in fact the quota of beamers is
zero, you're forgiven one accidental one. You yourself said :"I think
SreeSanth was trying to intimidate Kevin Petersen most likely based on
the discussions in the dressing room about Zaheers confrontation with
KP the prevoius day....."
You've asked elsewhere if the beamer changed the game, well it quite
possibly did since KP was dismissed a couple of balls later having
looked disconcerted by it. KP was certainly capable of changing the
game, I dread to think what the reaction on here would be if Dravid or
SRT were felled by a beamer!
dechucka
"Phil." <fel...@princeton.edu> wrote in message
news:1185922232.3...@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...
Thanks for the background to the incident. I have only seen the incident on
the news in Aus and they mentioned there were other incidents but it seems
to me he was acting like a right tosser.
Seemed a rather spiteful game
CricketLeague
So what ?
May be Simon Jones didnt get the direction of the beamer right where he
intended to bowl it at.......
>Sreesanth's would have received less
> attention if during that day he hadn't already charged one of the
> England batsman (50% fine),
I have seen plenty of other charges by bowlers or batsmen in the past where
players did NOT get fined.......and I am not surprised SreeSanth was charged
half his match fees for it....
> then later kicked at one of the batsmen
> while the batsman was completing a run, bowled another fast full toss
> that was certainly very close to another beamer,
It was NOT a beamer and it was not called........End of story......
I dont want to read this crap from you again and again......
>and bowled a run
> through bouncer from about 6ft over the crease,
It wasnt more than 3 ft.........STOP creating FUCKING FICTION....
>all the while acting
> very aggressively and showing a level of dissent against decisions
> which normally brings a fine.
I have seen many times in the past bowlers from Aus/Eng/NZ/SA showing
aggressive dissent and NEVER got fined......
I dont see why SreeSanths actions have to be BLOWN OUT OF PROPORTION and
singled out.......
>So the "big freakin deal" was that he
> was behaving like a king-sized ass and was totally out of control
> which led many to doubt whether the beamer was in fact accidental,
> including his fellow countryman, Gavaskar.
Gavaskar was from the prior generation of Indian pussies that blindly
believed in gandhian stupidity and mentality........
I dont give a rats ass about his opinion in THIS CASE......
> The reason your attitude is so objectional was that you regarded it as
> a 'the allowed quota of one' whereas in fact the quota of beamers is
> zero, you're forgiven one accidental one.
Whats your friggin problem.........SreeSanths beamer was called, he
apologized and he was warned by the umpire......CASE CLOSED....
If I were the captain, I will ask SreeSanth to bowl one beamer in EVERY
MATCH to put fear in England pussies like you.....
Its so much FUN to see fear in your fucking faces.....
>You yourself said :"I think
> SreeSanth was trying to intimidate Kevin Petersen most likely based on
> the discussions in the dressing room about Zaheers confrontation with
> KP the prevoius day....."
Yes.....I did say that......and I stand by my comment......and I support his
beamer.....
KP and the England assholes DESERVED the beamer for JELLY BEANS and other
ABUSE of Indian batsmen.....
GET LOST.....
> You've asked elsewhere if the beamer changed the game, well it quite
> possibly did since KP was dismissed a couple of balls later having
> looked disconcerted by it. KP was certainly capable of changing the
> game,
And KP certainly GOT OUT many times in the past WITHOUT a beamer preceding
his out ball.....
>I dread to think what the reaction on here would be if Dravid or
> SRT were felled by a beamer!
1) The beamer from SreeSanth didnt even TOUCH the batsman KP and look what
your fellow brit pussy Sir Paul Robson said in this thread and I quote:
"These are the rabid Indian fans. If Sreesanth had picked up a stump and
disembowelled Vaughan with it, they would attribute any criticism to
racism or some other such crap."
2) I have lived with beamers bowled at indian batsman in the past without
SCREAMING, SHOUTING and CRYING like brit pussies like you are
doing..........lmao....
>> > Because a ball above waist high that does not bounce is very difficult
>> > for the batsman to pick up, and is therefore much more dangerous than a
>> > bouncer that reaches the batsman at the same height.
Yup......You know exactly the difficulty levels of EACH and EVERY BATSMEN in
their ability to sight balls at different heights.....
You should seriously consider writing fiction.......
>It could result in
>> > serious injury or death. I think that's why cricket has traditionally
>> > viewed bowling one as just about the most serious of all offences.
It didnt result in injury or death.......Last I heard KP is perfectly safe
except for the fact he is eating jelly beans and drinking all he can to
forget about the trentbridge loss......
Lmao....
CricketLeague
"dechucka" <dech...@vomithotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> "CricketLeague" <Cricket...@USA.com> wrote in message
> news:13av0ad...@news.supernews.com...
>> Why are there so many threads about SreeSanths beamer ?
>
> yes and there were huge long threads about them.
>>
>> Hasnt any Eng/NZ/Aus bowlers bowled beamers in the past ?
>
> yes and there were huge long threads about them
Hardly any......about Simon Jones's beamer in T3 2005 ashes series...
dechucka
"CricketLeague" <Cricket...@USA.com> wrote in message
>
> "dechucka" <dech...@vomithotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:46afbad1$0$31396$5a62...@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
>>
>> "CricketLeague" <Cricket...@USA.com> wrote in message
>> news:13av0ad...@news.supernews.com...
>>> Why are there so many threads about SreeSanths beamer ?
>>
>> yes and there were huge long threads about them.
>>>
>>> Hasnt any Eng/NZ/Aus bowlers bowled beamers in the past ?
>>
>> yes and there were huge long threads about them
>
>
> Hardly any......about Simon Jones's beamer in T3 2005 ashes series...
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.sport.cricket/search?hl=en&group=rec.sport.cricket&q=beamer+simon+jones
try Lee and beamers
CricketLeague
We are discussing Eng bowlers since the series is between Ind and Eng.....
I know I mentioned Aus/NZ in the title thread but that was a rhetorical
question so clowns like you would get it and stop diverting the attention
from a GREAT Indian win to SreeSanths beamer....
dechucka
"CricketLeague" <Cricket...@USA.com> wrote in message
?
SultanOfSwing
wrote:
What a load of crap. As usual, you resort to gross generalisations.
On the basis of Robert Henderson spouting racist crap, should I
call *all* English posters "racist"? Wouldn't that be a gross
generalisation?
Also regarding the jelly beans incident, I've noted that the
English players involved (notably both Cook and Prior)
haven't been charged as yet by the ICC match referee.
Bob Dubery
> Why are there so many threads about SreeSanths beamer ?
>
> Hasnt any Eng/NZ/Aus bowlers bowled beamers in the past ?
>
> Whats the big freakin deal about SreeSanths beamer at Trentbridge.......
>
It's recent.
CDK
Nor should they be.
Since India bitched and moaned about a MR being able to lay charges,
they haven't been able to lay charges.
Crikey, what is it with Indian supporters who cant get it through their
skulls that the MR cannot lay charges?
If it is such a huge deal why hasn't the Indian team manager or the CEO
of the BCCI laid charges???????
Here is a list of the people who are allowed to lay charges.
"1.1 An alleged breach of the Rules of Conduct can be reported by:
(a) the umpires, including the third or any further umpires appointed
for a Test Match, ODI Match or a Tour Match;
(b) the team manager, either on his own behalf or on behalf of any of
his Players participating in a Test Match, ODI Match or a Tour Match;
(c) the Chief Executive Officer of the Home Board of a Member Country
participating in a Test Match, ODI Match or a Tour Match;
(d) the ICC Chief Executive."
You will note the lack of Match Referee amongst those people.
CDK
SultanOfSwing
> SultanOfSwing wrote:
> > On Aug 1, 12:46 am, Paul Robson <p...@robsons.org.muralichucks.uk>
> > wrote:
> >> On Tue, 31 Jul 2007 19:59:11 +0100, John Hall wrote:
> >>>> Hasnt any Eng/NZ/Aus bowlers bowled beamers in the past ?
> >>> Yes. It hasn't happened very often, but they were severely criticised
> >>> when it did occur. The nationality of the bowler should have nothing
> >>> whatsoever to do with it.
> >> These are the rabid Indian fans. If Sreesanth had picked up a stump and
> >> disembowelled Vaughan with it, they would attribute any criticism to
> >> racism or some other such crap.
>
> > What a load of crap. As usual, you resort to gross generalisations.
> > On the basis of Robert Henderson spouting racist crap, should I
> > call *all* English posters "racist"? Wouldn't that be a gross
> > generalisation?
>
> > Also regarding the jelly beans incident, I've noted that the
> > English players involved (notably both Cook and Prior)
> > haven't been charged as yet by the ICC match referee.
>
> Nor should they be.
>
> Since India bitched and moaned about a MR being able to lay charges,
> they haven't been able to lay charges.
Then I would prefer a return to the situation before October
2001 (India-RSA series in RSA). Else IMO, a match referee
is just another toothless ICC official on a "paid" holiday.
John Hall
CricketLeague <Cricket...@USA.com> writes:
>Moron,
>
>The umpire called it a beamer and warned SreeSanth.......He apologized to
>the batsman nd that was that........
>
>And you still wonder why you dont deserve to be abused.......
Do you behave like this in real life? If so, how many times a day do you
get punched in the face?
nite...@yahoo.com
>
> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
i tend to agree he acted like an ass...and his own bowling
sufferred...u havent mentioned that he bowled some shocking wides that
no bowler of that level should bowl (except harmison of course)...i
just dont think he had any control whatsoever.
Larry De Silva
> On Tue, 31 Jul 2007 19:59:11 +0100, John Hall wrote:
>
>>> Hasnt any Eng/NZ/Aus bowlers bowled beamers in the past ?
>> Yes. It hasn't happened very often, but they were severely criticised
>> when it did occur. The nationality of the bowler should have nothing
>> whatsoever to do with it.
>
> These are the rabid Indian fans. If Sreesanth had picked up a stump and
> disembowelled Vaughan with it,
Ah sweet dreams!! If only.....................:-)
Vaughan would have fully deserved it, the mongrel.
["England wicket-keeper Matt Prior indulged in frequent sledging when
India were batting, and Vaughan conceded: "There might have been times
when we might have gone over the line but I want players playing it
tough in Test cricket."]
Vaughan actively encouraging sledging in cricket!! And by the way,
someone should tell him that it is NOT tough but in fact weak as English
piss to verbally abuse someone when it is 11 players against the player
being abused!! That is a pure gutless bloody act, NOT tough.....
>they would attribute any criticism to
> racism or some other such crap.
And you will still be crying me a bloody river, just like your non stop
whinging about Murali...........;-)
Laz
Larry De Silva
Not too sure about that but I tell you what, they would most certainly
have found jelly in his back!!!! He is a weak jellyback from way back,
too bloody gutless to have a go at Prior for sledging.....
Laz
Larry De Silva
Yeah but they still whinge and whine about Murali being a chucker
although he hasn't been called for chucking since the last century!!
Sorry Bob but an issue being recent has NOTHING whatsoever to do with
it, it's posters with other not so hidden agendas as usual, and as has
been reality here for years on end..............
Pure double standards and utter hypocrisy.......
Laz
Paul Robson
>> These are the rabid Indian fans. If Sreesanth had picked up a stump and
>> disembowelled Vaughan with it,
>
> Ah sweet dreams!! If only.....................:-)
> Vaughan would have fully deserved it, the mongrel.
Mongrel ?
> ["England wicket-keeper Matt Prior indulged in frequent sledging when
> India were batting, and Vaughan conceded: "There might have been times
> when we might have gone over the line but I want players playing it
> tough in Test cricket."]
>
> Vaughan actively encouraging sledging in cricket!! And by the way,
> someone should tell him that it is NOT tough but in fact weak as English
> piss to verbally abuse someone when it is 11 players against the player
> being abused!! That is a pure gutless bloody act, NOT tough.....
Well, this has been happening since time immemorial. Including your
beloved Sri Lanka. I think the Jellybean stuff is laughably childish, and
the proper reaction isn't to get upset but to burst out laughing at the
idiocy of those doing it.
>>they would attribute any criticism to
>> racism or some other such crap.
>
> And you will still be crying me a bloody river, just like your non stop
> whinging about Murali...........;-)
Well, he shouldn't chuck his doosra ;-)
Phil.
wrote:
> Paul Robson wrote:
> > On Tue, 31 Jul 2007 19:59:11 +0100, John Hall wrote:
>
> >>> Hasnt any Eng/NZ/Aus bowlers bowled beamers in the past ?
> >> Yes. It hasn't happened very often, but they were severely criticised
> >> when it did occur. The nationality of the bowler should have nothing
> >> whatsoever to do with it.
>
> > These are the rabid Indian fans. If Sreesanth had picked up a stump and
> > disembowelled Vaughan with it,
>
> Ah sweet dreams!! If only.....................:-)
> Vaughan would have fully deserved it, the mongrel.
>
> ["England wicket-keeper Matt Prior indulged in frequent sledging when
> India were batting, and Vaughan conceded: "There might have been times
> when we might have gone over the line but I want players playing it
> tough in Test cricket."]
>
> Vaughan actively encouraging sledging in cricket!! And by the way,
> someone should tell him that it is NOT tough but in fact weak as English
> piss to verbally abuse someone when it is 11 players against the player
> being abused!! That is a pure gutless bloody act, NOT tough.....
Larry here's a classic example of a wicket keeper sledging, it's
actually rather funny, from one of the noisier umps.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PlFF98dM8sA&NR
Paul Robson
>> These are the rabid Indian fans. If Sreesanth had picked up a stump and
>> disembowelled Vaughan with it, they would attribute any criticism to
>> racism or some other such crap.
>
> What a load of crap. As usual, you resort to gross generalisations.
> On the basis of Robert Henderson spouting racist crap, should I
> call *all* English posters "racist"? Wouldn't that be a gross
> generalisation?
Depends whether you take "rabid Indian fans" to imply all Indian fans are
rabid or there's a subset who are. First is nonsense, second is obviously
true.
Paul Robson
>> Since India bitched and moaned about a MR being able to lay charges,
>> they haven't been able to lay charges.
>
> Then I would prefer a return to the situation before October
> 2001 (India-RSA series in RSA). Else IMO, a match referee
> is just another toothless ICC official on a "paid" holiday.
Well, India wanted it changed after the nonsense over Denness. I though
the MR charges against them were idiotic, but you can't have it both ways.
Paul Robson
> Did SreeSanth pick up a stump and disembowel Vaughn ?
>
> You still didnt answer why there are thousands and thousands of comments
> about SreeSanths beamer as if no England bowler has bowled a beamer in the
> past ?
I think the concern is not that he bowled it but that it was deliberate,
along with the ridiculous no-ball bouncer.
Larry De Silva
> On Wed, 01 Aug 2007 23:08:29 +1000, Larry De Silva wrote:
>
>>> These are the rabid Indian fans. If Sreesanth had picked up a stump and
>>> disembowelled Vaughan with it,
>> Ah sweet dreams!! If only.....................:-)
>> Vaughan would have fully deserved it, the mongrel.
>
> Mongrel ?
Anyone who supports verbal abuse on the field is a bloody mongral......
>> ["England wicket-keeper Matt Prior indulged in frequent sledging when
>> India were batting, and Vaughan conceded: "There might have been times
>> when we might have gone over the line but I want players playing it
>> tough in Test cricket."]
>>
>> Vaughan actively encouraging sledging in cricket!! And by the way,
>> someone should tell him that it is NOT tough but in fact weak as English
>> piss to verbally abuse someone when it is 11 players against the player
>> being abused!! That is a pure gutless bloody act, NOT tough.....
>
> Well, this has been happening since time immemorial.
Not according to one of your all time great Pommy batsman dude. And he
DID play over a very long period of time.......
[Boycott would also like to see an end to sledging, or on-field verbal
abuse, insisting he was never subjected to it during his time as Test
batsman."With verbals, I ask myself why do people carry on abusing
players when they're batting?" he said.
"It can only be because they are frustrated they can't get him out
because he is batted in, or they think he's a new batsman they're not
going to get out and they want to upset him.
"I never had it in my day and I faced some of the greatest bowlers there
has ever been.
"I faced the great West Indians (Joel) Garner, (Michael) Holding,
(Malcolm) Marshall and (Colin) Croft and (Andy) Roberts and I never had
one abusive word off them."They won as champions and they were
champions. They would knock your block off and get you out but they
would never abuse you."So why do these lesser players think they can do
it?"]
>Including your
> beloved Sri Lanka.
There are dickheads in every team. I told Sangakarra once to his face
that he was a weak bastard for sledging the opposition. Colin Kynoch
(CDK) was present at the time to act as my witness.
> I think the Jellybean stuff is laughably childish, and
> the proper reaction isn't to get upset but to burst out laughing at the
> idiocy of those doing it.
I strongly disagree. I think it was bloody disgusting.
>>> they would attribute any criticism to
>>> racism or some other such crap.
>> And you will still be crying me a bloody river, just like your non stop
>> whinging about Murali...........;-)
>
> Well, he shouldn't chuck his doosra ;-)
According to those that DO matter, he doesn't Paul......!!!
Laz
Larry De Silva
> On Aug 1, 9:08 am, Larry De Silva <larrydesi...@NOSPAMozemail.com.au>
> wrote:
>> Paul Robson wrote:
>>> On Tue, 31 Jul 2007 19:59:11 +0100, John Hall wrote:
>>>>> Hasnt any Eng/NZ/Aus bowlers bowled beamers in the past ?
>>>> Yes. It hasn't happened very often, but they were severely criticised
>>>> when it did occur. The nationality of the bowler should have nothing
>>>> whatsoever to do with it.
>>> These are the rabid Indian fans. If Sreesanth had picked up a stump and
>>> disembowelled Vaughan with it,
>> Ah sweet dreams!! If only.....................:-)
>> Vaughan would have fully deserved it, the mongrel.
>>
>> ["England wicket-keeper Matt Prior indulged in frequent sledging when
>> India were batting, and Vaughan conceded: "There might have been times
>> when we might have gone over the line but I want players playing it
>> tough in Test cricket."]
>>
>> Vaughan actively encouraging sledging in cricket!! And by the way,
>> someone should tell him that it is NOT tough but in fact weak as English
>> piss to verbally abuse someone when it is 11 players against the player
>> being abused!! That is a pure gutless bloody act, NOT tough.....
>
>
> Larry here's a classic example of a wicket keeper sledging, it's
> actually rather funny, from one of the noisier umps.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PlFF98dM8sA&NR
Thanks for that but it was totally uncalled for by Kumar. I told him to
his face once that he was an idiot and a weak bastard for sledging. I do
realise that I'm in the vast minority when it comes to my opinion on
this subject but at least I'm being honest and consistent.
When I played cricket in Australia, I was verbally abused and sledged
for being a non white, called an tree climbing ape, my loving family
insulted and once my batting partner was called a fucking ugly nigger.
If this is funny to some, well so be it but to me it is perpetrated by
gutless wonders in a group situation. When I confronted some of these
moronic bloody fuckwits after the game, they ran away like scared
rabbits into a hole. Totally gutless cockheads.
Laz
Phil.
wrote:
All but one of which were brought by the umpires, the only one laid by
Denness was the one against SRT for interfering with the match ball,
this was seen by the referee on the TV.
Phil.
I agree that it's better if there's no sledging, if it's all of this
type or the "mind the windows Tino" I find it quite humorous and as we
know everyone does do it so I don't see any reason to single any one
side out (wks are notorious for this).
When it goes over the lineand becomes abuse as shown below that should
never be tolerated.
Ravi
wrote:
> On Tue, 31 Jul 2007 13:10:57 -0700, CricketLeague wrote:
> > Did SreeSanth pick up a stump and disembowel Vaughn ?
>
> > You still didnt answer why there are thousands and thousands of comments
> > about SreeSanths beamer as if no England bowler has bowled a beamer in the
> > past ?
>
> I think the concern is not that he bowled it but that it was deliberate,
That is your inference - equally valid for any bowler who has ever
bowled a beamer
Southpaw
<snip>
> You've asked elsewhere if the beamer changed the game, well it quite
> possibly did since KP was dismissed a couple of balls later having
> looked disconcerted by it. KP was certainly capable of changing the
Oh, poor dainty little darling. If KP was disconcerted by a ball that
didn't
even touch him, then I'd suggest he doesn't have the heart for test
cricket. Maybe those weren't jelly beans after all - they were Bayer
Aspirin for KP's weak heart!
Come on, KP is a skilled and courageous test batsman. I'd guess the
moment he was up on his feet he was ready mentally and physically
to do battle. He got out soon to a very good delivery, that's all.
Tendulkar hit a vital 91 after actually having his helmet visor
smashed
in. Ganguly took sickening blows to his head in each of India's tests
in RSA recently, and yet ended up as India's highest run-getter in
the
series. These guys actually *got* hit, and yet couldn't be
disconcerted enough to give up the task at hand. Dhoni narrowly
missed getting hit by a Shoaib Akhtar beamer in Pakistan recently
(15mph quicker than Sreesanth's, mind you), and yet survived to
play a match-saving career-best 148*.
I don't know how this discussion went from criticizing Sreesanth's
unsportsmanlike conduct to suggesting his beamer quite possibly
changed the course of the game!
I am also amused how 3ft over the crease suddenly became 6ft
over the crease. (You wrote: "and bowled a run through bouncer
from about 6ft over the crease".) I suppose including the word "about"
means you can exaggerate by 2x or 3x. Let me guess, you are also
"about" 15 years old.
Vaughan, who was probably closer than anyone else said he was
2ft over. It was also mentioned that his run-up was so awry that he
also bowled a ball from 4ft behind the crease, which you never
mentioned.
CricketLeague is perhaps the most ignored poster on RSC. I wonder
if you're also not headed in the same direction.
-Samarth.
Phil.
> On Jul 31, 5:50 pm, "Phil." <fel...@princeton.edu> wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
> > You've asked elsewhere if the beamer changed the game, well it quite
> > possibly did since KP was dismissed a couple of balls later having
> > looked disconcerted by it. KP was certainly capable of changing the
>
> Oh, poor dainty little darling. If KP was disconcerted by a ball that
> didn't
> even touch him, then I'd suggest he doesn't have the heart for test
> cricket. Maybe those weren't jelly beans after all - they were Bayer
> Aspirin for KP's weak heart!
>
> Come on, KP is a skilled and courageous test batsman. I'd guess the
> moment he was up on his feet he was ready mentally and physically
> to do battle. He got out soon to a very good delivery, that's all.
Indeed he is, doesn't mean that he hadn't lost concentration for a few
minutes.
It's not a big deal, I was just reacting to the idiotic idea that head
high beamers were something that a batsman should just deal with, a
bouncer is a totally different matter! The same moron suggested that
Dravid should encourage Sreesanth to bowl one a match to soften up the
England batsmen!
>
> Tendulkar hit a vital 91 after actually having his helmet visor
> smashed
> in. Ganguly took sickening blows to his head in each of India's tests
> in RSA recently, and yet ended up as India's highest run-getter in
> the
> series. These guys actually *got* hit, and yet couldn't be
> disconcerted enough to give up the task at hand. Dhoni narrowly
> missed getting hit by a Shoaib Akhtar beamer in Pakistan recently
> (15mph quicker than Sreesanth's, mind you), and yet survived to
> play a match-saving career-best 148*.
>
> I don't know how this discussion went from criticizing Sreesanth's
> unsportsmanlike conduct to suggesting his beamer quite possibly
> changed the course of the game!
In response to a question by the resident idiot, and yes I am heading
in the direction you suggest in that regard, particularly following
his more recent outburst.
>
> I am also amused how 3ft over the crease suddenly became 6ft
> over the crease. (You wrote: "and bowled a run through bouncer
> from about 6ft over the crease".) I suppose including the word "about"
> means you can exaggerate by 2x or 3x. Let me guess, you are also
> "about" 15 years old.
Actually it went the other way, the live commentary I was listening to
suggested about 6ft, later written reports seem to have settled on
3ft. No not even close. ;)
>
> Vaughan, who was probably closer than anyone else said he was
> 2ft over. It was also mentioned that his run-up was so awry that he
> also bowled a ball from 4ft behind the crease, which you never
> mentioned.
Vaughan wasn't on the field at the time! I didn't hear that ball
mentioned in the commentary, however if you're that far over the line
you don't go through with the delivery and certainly don't bowl a
bouncer!
>
> CricketLeague is perhaps the most ignored poster on RSC. I wonder
> if you're also not headed in the same direction.
See above.
>
> -Samarth.
Spaceman Spiff
[snip]
>
> If Sreesanth bowled the beamer accidentally, he should have
> apologised, as bowlers normally do in that situation. Sometimes a
> ball will slip from the bowler's grasp and result in an accidental
> beamer, His apparent failure to apologise is what annoyed people, I
> think. I notice that Jones apologised in the case that you have
> discovered in 2005.
>
according to the ball-by-ball commentary, sreesanth apologised immediately:
cricinfo:
53.6 Sreesanth to Pietersen, 1 no ball, oh dear, that was
unintentionally nasty - a beamer from Sreesanth heads straight for
Pietersen's head. Pietersen crashes to the ground, taking evasive action,
and Sreesanth apologises immediately
guardian:
54th over: England 174-2 (Vaughan 59, Pietersen 19) The first sign of
friction out there. Charging in, Sreesanth throws down a head-high beamer
that KP evades at the last nanosecond by collapsing to the ground. Sreesanth
raises a hand in apology with all the sincerity of a tennis player who just
won a crucial point with the help of the net-cord.
> Added later: I now see that - according to Vaughan - Sreesanth has
> apologised for the beamer, so I'm happy to forget about that incident.
--
stay cool,
Spaceman Spiff
get your own damn grateful dead lyrics.
http://arts.ucsc.edu/gdead/agdl/
sdavmor
I've looked at the footage. Yes he apologizes, but it's not much of an
apology. Not unlike my sons when they are made to apologize to each
other. The words come out but it's just going through the motions.
Having said that, I've seen batsmen hit by bouncers and beamers at all
levels (got nailed by one myself last Friday evening) who got less of
an apology than KP did from Sreesanth, so I think its reasonable to
accept his assertion that he didn't intentionally beam him.
I heard Boycott's commentary on this incident and I think it makes
sense. It happens once, the bowler apologizes, you have to take it
face value and move on. I would put it down to a combination of
high-spirits and temper + the obvious problems Sreesanth was having
with his runup. The former is an issue for his captain to deal with,
the latter an issue for immediate review in the nets with his position
coach.
While some of Sreesanth's actions need to be reined-in (i.e. the
bolshy shoulder-barging), I think he certainly showed the kind of
hostile attitude towards batsmen that captains need from fast(ish)
bowlers. And that's a positive in my book, as long as it can be
focused into controlled hostility.
--
Cheers,
SDM -- a 21st century schizoid man
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CricketLeague
"John Hall" <nospam...@jhall.co.uk> wrote in message
news:neqoVJEV...@jhall.demon.co.uk.invalid...
Here are some of the comments you snipped very CUNNINGLY.....
>His apparent
> failure to apologise is what annoyed people, I think.
You had time to do research and post that Simon Jones apologized to Mathew
Hayden in 2005 ashes T3 but you didnt have time to READ the fucking news
from YESTERDAY or watch the match live OR READ a THOUSAND THREADS here on
rsc OR read cricinfo commentary and figure that SreeSanth APOLOGIZED right
away....
It is for this reason you fuckers are so HATED around the world........
In case you are still wondering.....its because you LIE, CHEAT, SPIN and
CONCOCT not on occasion but EVERY SECOND of your pathetic lives.....
CricketLeague
"sdavmor" <sda...@fakeemailaddy.com> wrote in message
news:V5ydnaFD9OS...@iswest.net...
Sir Steven Davies Morris,
Here is something for you to chew on....
1) The commentators including the british commentator immediately said
SreeSanth apolozied
2) Cricinfo said SreeSanth apolozied
3) News papers both from India and England said SreeSanth apolozied
4) Majority of rsc posters thought SreeSanth apologized
but here you are back to posting your bile with EXPERT SPIN and
FICTION........
To tell you honestly, I support SreeSanth even if he bowled the beamer
DELIBERATELY.......
I am very happy finally to see ONE Indian medium pace bowler PUT FEAR in
OPPOSING batsmen.........
CricketLeague
<nite...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1185962563....@b79g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
OTOH I think SreeSanth should be persisted with for his ATTITUDE and
FIRE..........regardless of your opinion...
>and his own bowling
> sufferred...u havent mentioned that he bowled some shocking wides that
> no bowler of that level should bowl (except harmison of course)...i
> just dont think he had any control whatsoever.
Since when bowling wides is a CRIME or VIOLATE cricket laws to the point the
bowler has to be excoriated ?
The discussion in this thread is about the "BEAMER"......
He bowled it (deliberately or unintentionally), he was warned by the umpire,
he apologized to the batsman..........CASE CLOSED......
Spaceman Spiff
> Spaceman Spiff wrote:
[snip]
>>
>> according to the ball-by-ball commentary, sreesanth apologised
>> immediately: cricinfo:
>> 53.6 Sreesanth to Pietersen, 1 no ball, oh dear, that was
>> unintentionally nasty - a beamer from Sreesanth heads straight for
>> Pietersen's head. Pietersen crashes to the ground, taking evasive
>> action, and Sreesanth apologises immediately
>>
>>
>> guardian:
>> 54th over: England 174-2 (Vaughan 59, Pietersen 19) The first sign of
>> friction out there. Charging in, Sreesanth throws down a head-high
>> beamer that KP evades at the last nanosecond by collapsing to the
>> ground. Sreesanth raises a hand in apology with all the sincerity of
>> a tennis player who just won a crucial point with the help of the
>> net-cord.
>>> Added later: I now see that - according to Vaughan - Sreesanth has
>>> apologised for the beamer, so I'm happy to forget about that
>>> incident.
>
> I've looked at the footage. Yes he apologizes, but it's not much of an
> apology. Not unlike my sons when they are made to apologize to each
> other.
given that sreesanth is little more than a teenager, i suppose we could not
expect much different :-)
CricketLeague
"Southpaw" <arb...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1185980147.9...@j4g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
:-))
sdavmor
Well...24. Time to get over teenage behavior. But yes, I get your
point. If he can corral his temper he has a bright future IMO.
cricinfo profile:
<http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/engvind/content/current/player/34274.html>
Spaceman Spiff
[snip]
>>
>> given that sreesanth is little more than a teenager, i suppose we
>> could not expect much different :-)
>
> Well...24. Time to get over teenage behavior. But yes, I get your
> point. If he can corral his temper he has a bright future IMO.
>
hmm.. i had no idea he was 24.
i was under the impression that he was 20 or so..
definitely needs to control his behavior, in the case.
no excuses any more.
CricketLeague
Alistair Cook is 23 yrs old and your fellow English wanker Phil justified
throwing jelly beans on pitch as just a prank played by the youngest member
of the England team...
You have NO CHOICE but to CRITICIZE either BOTH the brit players and
SreeSanth or NONE at all.........
You cant have it both ways.......
CricketLeague
"Paul Robson" <pa...@robsons.org.muralichucks.uk> wrote in message
news:pan.2007.08.01....@robsons.org.muralichucks.uk...
> On Tue, 31 Jul 2007 13:10:57 -0700, CricketLeague wrote:
>
>> Did SreeSanth pick up a stump and disembowel Vaughn ?
>>
>> You still didnt answer why there are thousands and thousands of comments
>> about SreeSanths beamer as if no England bowler has bowled a beamer in
>> the
>> past ?
>
> I think the concern is not that he bowled it but that it was deliberate,
Nobody can tell if a particular beamer is deliberate or
unintentional.........even the ones bowled in the past to Indian
batsmen.....
In anycase it doesnt matter since SreeSanth immediately apolozied and he
even said on cricinfo that it was NOT deliberate.....
> along with the ridiculous no-ball bouncer.
>
Big deal.........You are making a mountain out of a mole hill as is typical
of you wankers.......
CricketLeague
"Ravi" <kra...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1185979396.2...@d30g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
THANK YOU VERY MUCH............finally a little spine....
CricketLeague
"SultanOfSwing" <asla...@yahoo.co.in> wrote in message
news:1185957631.9...@i13g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> On Aug 1, 12:46 am, Paul Robson <p...@robsons.org.muralichucks.uk>
> wrote:
>> On Tue, 31 Jul 2007 19:59:11 +0100, John Hall wrote:
>>
>> > Yes. It hasn't happened very often, but they were severely criticised
>> > whatsoever to do with it.
>>
>> racism or some other such crap.
>
> On the basis of Robert Henderson spouting racist crap, should I
> call *all* English posters "racist"? Wouldn't that be a gross
> generalisation?
>
> English players involved (notably both Cook and Prior)
> haven't been charged as yet by the ICC match referee.
>
I doubt if they ever will be charged.........for obvious reasons.......
CricketLeague
"CDK" <micky...@disneyland.com> wrote in message
news:46b049a5$1...@news.comindico.com.au...
> SultanOfSwing wrote:
>> On Aug 1, 12:46 am, Paul Robson <p...@robsons.org.muralichucks.uk>
>> wrote:
>>> On Tue, 31 Jul 2007 19:59:11 +0100, John Hall wrote:
>>>>> Hasnt any Eng/NZ/Aus bowlers bowled beamers in the past ?
>>>> Yes. It hasn't happened very often, but they were severely criticised
>>>> when it did occur. The nationality of the bowler should have nothing
>>>> whatsoever to do with it.
>>> These are the rabid Indian fans. If Sreesanth had picked up a stump and
>>> disembowelled Vaughan with it, they would attribute any criticism to
>>> racism or some other such crap.
>>
>> What a load of crap. As usual, you resort to gross generalisations.
>> On the basis of Robert Henderson spouting racist crap, should I
>> call *all* English posters "racist"? Wouldn't that be a gross
>> generalisation?
>>
>> Also regarding the jelly beans incident, I've noted that the
>> English players involved (notably both Cook and Prior)
>> haven't been charged as yet by the ICC match referee.
>
>
> Since India bitched and moaned about a MR being able to lay charges, they
> haven't been able to lay charges.
>
> skulls that the MR cannot lay charges?
>
> If it is such a huge deal why hasn't the Indian team manager or the CEO of
> the BCCI laid charges???????
>
> Here is a list of the people who are allowed to lay charges.
>
> "1.1 An alleged breach of the Rules of Conduct can be reported by:
> (a) the umpires, including the third or any further umpires appointed for
> a Test Match, ODI Match or a Tour Match;
CDK moron,
If the umpires can report the jelly bean pitch tampering to the MR, why
didnt they do it yet ???????
> (b) the team manager, either on his own behalf or on behalf of any of his
> Players participating in a Test Match, ODI Match or a Tour Match;
> (c) the Chief Executive Officer of the Home Board of a Member Country
> participating in a Test Match, ODI Match or a Tour Match;
> (d) the ICC Chief Executive."
>
> You will note the lack of Match Referee amongst those people.
>
> CDK
>
>
CricketLeague
"Paul Robson" <pa...@robsons.org.muralichucks.uk> wrote in message
news:pan.2007.08.01....@robsons.org.muralichucks.uk...
Just idiotic or MUCH MORE you dont want to admit and accept ???
CricketLeague
"Phil." <fel...@princeton.edu> wrote in message
news:1185978337....@l70g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
Why didnt the umpires Too-awful and Howell file reports about the jelly bean
pitch tampering with the match referee ?????
CricketLeague
"Paul Robson" <pa...@robsons.org.muralichucks.uk> wrote in message
news:pan.2007.08.01....@robsons.org.muralichucks.uk...
>
>>> These are the rabid Indian fans. If Sreesanth had picked up a stump and
>>> disembowelled Vaughan with it, they would attribute any criticism to
>>> racism or some other such crap.
>>
>> What a load of crap. As usual, you resort to gross generalisations.
>> On the basis of Robert Henderson spouting racist crap, should I
>> call *all* English posters "racist"? Wouldn't that be a gross
>> generalisation?
>
> rabid or there's a subset who are. First is nonsense, second is obviously
> true.
>
>
Yup......there are NO rabid brit/aussie/nz/sa fans on rsc.......
All the fans that posted the following garbage are saints....
1) India won T2 because of Toss
2) India won because SreeSanth psychologically damaged KP with his beamer
3) India won because of Umpires
4) SreeSanth bowled a beamer which is equivalent to disemboweling Vaughan
with a stump
5) SreeSanth bowled a bouncer overstepping the crease by 6 feet
CricketLeague
"Paul Robson" <pa...@robsons.org.muralichucks.uk> wrote in message
news:pan.2007.08.01....@robsons.org.muralichucks.uk...
>
>>> These are the rabid Indian fans. If Sreesanth had picked up a stump and
>>> disembowelled Vaughan with it,
>>
>> Vaughan would have fully deserved it, the mongrel.
>
>
>> ["England wicket-keeper Matt Prior indulged in frequent sledging when
>> India were batting, and Vaughan conceded: "There might have been times
>> when we might have gone over the line but I want players playing it
>> tough in Test cricket."]
>>
>> Vaughan actively encouraging sledging in cricket!! And by the way,
>> someone should tell him that it is NOT tough but in fact weak as English
>> piss to verbally abuse someone when it is 11 players against the player
>> being abused!! That is a pure gutless bloody act, NOT tough.....
>
> beloved Sri Lanka. I think the Jellybean stuff is laughably childish, and
> the proper reaction isn't to get upset but to burst out laughing at the
> idiocy of those doing it.
If Indian players threw those jelly beans on the pitch, you wankers from
Aus/Eng/NA/SA would have posted a zillion comments accusiing Indians of
"Cheating"....
It is a PRANK if we do it and CHEATING if YOU do it..........standard
practice of Aus/Eng/NZ/SA fans....
CricketLeague
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>
> "CricketLeague" <Cricket...@USA.com> wrote in message
> news:13b04t6...@news.supernews.com...
>>
>> "dechucka" <dech...@vomithotmail.com> wrote in message
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>>>
>>> "CricketLeague" <Cricket...@USA.com> wrote in message
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>>>>
>>>> "dechucka" <dech...@vomithotmail.com> wrote in message
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>>>>>
>>>>> "CricketLeague" <Cricket...@USA.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:13av0ad...@news.supernews.com...
>>>>>> Why are there so many threads about SreeSanths beamer ?
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hasnt any Eng/NZ/Aus bowlers bowled beamers in the past ?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hardly any......about Simon Jones's beamer in T3 2005 ashes series...
>>>>
>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.sport.cricket/search?hl=en&group=rec.sport.cricket&q=beamer+simon+jones
>>>
>>>
>>> try Lee and beamers
>>
>>
>> We are discussing Eng bowlers since the series is between Ind and
>> Eng.....
>>
>> I know I mentioned Aus/NZ in the title thread but that was a rhetorical
>> question so clowns like you would get it and stop diverting the attention
>> from a GREAT Indian win to SreeSanths beamer....
>
>
> ?
??????????
CricketLeague
"Bob Dubery" <mega...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Jul 31, 8:37 pm, "CricketLeague" <CricketlLea...@USA.com> wrote:
>> Why are there so many threads about SreeSanths beamer ?
>>
>>
>>
>
>
Last I heard, he already apologized as per the commentators, umpires, the
captain, news rags from Eng and India, cricinfo etc.....
MOVE ON.......
dechucka
"CricketLeague" <Cricket...@USA.com> wrote in message
even you can't figure out what you are going on about
>
>
Andrew Dunford
Yes, it is an inference, albeit a conclusion more easily reached when one
considers Sreesanth's other behaviour on the day. We don't know and will
probably never know.
On the flip side, as Samarth mentioned Sreesanth encountered problems with
his run-up and bowling action throughout the second innings, thus high full
tosses and huge oversteppings could easily be accidental.
Andrew
CDK
Maybe they didn't consider it warranted a report.
<snip>
CDK
CDK
> On Aug 1, 1:51 pm, CDK <mickymo...@disneyland.com> wrote:
>> SultanOfSwing wrote:
>>> On Aug 1, 12:46 am, Paul Robson <p...@robsons.org.muralichucks.uk>
>>> wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 31 Jul 2007 19:59:11 +0100, John Hall wrote:
>>>>>> Hasnt any Eng/NZ/Aus bowlers bowled beamers in the past ?
>>>>> Yes. It hasn't happened very often, but they were severely criticised
>>>>> when it did occur. The nationality of the bowler should have nothing
>>>>> whatsoever to do with it.
>>>> These are the rabid Indian fans. If Sreesanth had picked up a stump and
>>>> disembowelled Vaughan with it, they would attribute any criticism to
>>>> racism or some other such crap.
>>> What a load of crap. As usual, you resort to gross generalisations.
>>> On the basis of Robert Henderson spouting racist crap, should I
>>> call *all* English posters "racist"? Wouldn't that be a gross
>>> generalisation?
>>> Also regarding the jelly beans incident, I've noted that the
>>> English players involved (notably both Cook and Prior)
>>> haven't been charged as yet by the ICC match referee.
>> Nor should they be.
>>
>> Since India bitched and moaned about a MR being able to lay charges,
>> they haven't been able to lay charges.
>
> 2001 (India-RSA series in RSA). Else IMO, a match referee
> is just another toothless ICC official on a "paid" holiday.
Surely that can't happen. the nasty MR may lay charges against a poor
defenceless sub-continental player.
CDK
>
CDK
> On Aug 1, 9:08 am, Larry De Silva <larrydesi...@NOSPAMozemail.com.au>
> wrote:
>> Paul Robson wrote:
>>> On Tue, 31 Jul 2007 19:59:11 +0100, John Hall wrote:
>>>>> Hasnt any Eng/NZ/Aus bowlers bowled beamers in the past ?
>>>> Yes. It hasn't happened very often, but they were severely criticised
>>>> when it did occur. The nationality of the bowler should have nothing
>>>> whatsoever to do with it.
>>> These are the rabid Indian fans. If Sreesanth had picked up a stump and
>>> disembowelled Vaughan with it,
>> Vaughan would have fully deserved it, the mongrel.
>>
>> India were batting, and Vaughan conceded: "There might have been times
>> when we might have gone over the line but I want players playing it
>> tough in Test cricket."]
>>
>> Vaughan actively encouraging sledging in cricket!! And by the way,
>> someone should tell him that it is NOT tough but in fact weak as English
>> piss to verbally abuse someone when it is 11 players against the player
>> being abused!! That is a pure gutless bloody act, NOT tough.....
>
>
> actually rather funny, from one of the noisier umps.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PlFF98dM8sA&NR
Now that was funny.
CDK
CDK
What do you want him to say Larry?
Hi Shaun, welcome to the wicket, I hope you have a wonderful innings,
and you score lots of runs?
> I told him to
> his face once that he was an idiot and a weak bastard for sledging. I do
> realise that I'm in the vast minority when it comes to my opinion on
> this subject but at least I'm being honest and consistent.
>
> When I played cricket in Australia, I was verbally abused and sledged
> for being a non white, called an tree climbing ape, my loving family
> insulted and once my batting partner was called a fucking ugly nigger.
> If this is funny to some, well so be it but to me it is perpetrated by
> gutless wonders in a group situation. When I confronted some of these
> moronic bloody fuckwits after the game, they ran away like scared
> rabbits into a hole. Totally gutless cockheads.
That isn't sledging Larry that is verbal abuse. There is a difference.
CDK
RishiX
> > the proper reaction isn't to get upset but to burst out laughing at the
> > idiocy of those doing it.
>
And if some other teams had done the exact same thing, they woud have
been called cheats. I think it was unfair play unless the guys who
threw the jellybeans or who knew there were jellybeans on the pitch
walked over and picked them up before the ball was bowled - Now that
might have been childish and probably funny.
-- Rishi.
CDK
> Bob Dubery wrote:
>> On Jul 31, 8:37 pm, "CricketLeague" <CricketlLea...@USA.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> It's recent.
>
>
> although he hasn't been called for chucking since the last century!!
Yet he has been shown to be a chucker by UWA in 2004.
> Sorry Bob but an issue being recent has NOTHING whatsoever to do with
> it, it's posters with other not so hidden agendas as usual, and as has
> been reality here for years on end..............
>
> Pure double standards and utter hypocrisy.......
So you think a beamer is acceptable?
CDK
dechucka
>> CricketLeague is perhaps the most ignorant poster on RSC.
typo fixed
dechucka
"Larry De Silva" <larryd...@NOSPAMozemail.com.au> wrote in message
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> Phil. wrote:
>> On Aug 1, 9:08 am, Larry De Silva <larrydesi...@NOSPAMozemail.com.au>
>> wrote:
>>> Paul Robson wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 31 Jul 2007 19:59:11 +0100, John Hall wrote:
>>>>> when it did occur. The nationality of the bowler should have nothing
>>>>> whatsoever to do with it.
>>>> These are the rabid Indian fans. If Sreesanth had picked up a stump and
>>>> disembowelled Vaughan with it,
>>> Ah sweet dreams!! If only.....................:-)
>>> Vaughan would have fully deserved it, the mongrel.
>>>
>>> ["England wicket-keeper Matt Prior indulged in frequent sledging when
>>> India were batting, and Vaughan conceded: "There might have been times
>>> when we might have gone over the line but I want players playing it
>>> tough in Test cricket."]
>>>
>>> Vaughan actively encouraging sledging in cricket!! And by the way,
>>> someone should tell him that it is NOT tough but in fact weak as English
>>> piss to verbally abuse someone when it is 11 players against the player
>>> being abused!! That is a pure gutless bloody act, NOT tough.....
>>
>>
>> Larry here's a classic example of a wicket keeper sledging, it's
>> actually rather funny, from one of the noisier umps.
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PlFF98dM8sA&NR
>
>
> Thanks for that but it was totally uncalled for by Kumar.
You're admitting SLs sledge WOW
dechucka
"CricketLeague" <Cricket...@USA.com> wrote in message
Try and keep up with the posts about this . Put them through your racial
filter and let us see the figures
dechucka
"Paul Robson" <pa...@robsons.org.muralichucks.uk> wrote in message
news:pan.2007.08.01....@robsons.org.muralichucks.uk...
> On Wed, 01 Aug 2007 23:08:29 +1000, Larry De Silva wrote:
>
>>> These are the rabid Indian fans. If Sreesanth had picked up a stump and
>>> disembowelled Vaughan with it,
>>
>> Ah sweet dreams!! If only.....................:-)
>> Vaughan would have fully deserved it, the mongrel.
>
> Mongrel ?
>
>> ["England wicket-keeper Matt Prior indulged in frequent sledging when
>> India were batting, and Vaughan conceded: "There might have been times
>> when we might have gone over the line but I want players playing it
>> tough in Test cricket."]
>>
>> Vaughan actively encouraging sledging in cricket!! And by the way,
>> someone should tell him that it is NOT tough but in fact weak as English
>> piss to verbally abuse someone when it is 11 players against the player
>> being abused!! That is a pure gutless bloody act, NOT tough.....
>
> Well, this has been happening since time immemorial. Including your
> beloved Sri Lanka. I think the Jellybean stuff is laughably childish, and
> the proper reaction isn't to get upset but to burst out laughing at the
> idiocy of those doing it.
and for the umpires to take action.
It was not funny it was over the top and IMBO a sharp practice in
contravention of the Spirit of cricket in the preamble to the Laws and a
violation of Law 42
dechucka
> Bob Dubery wrote:
>> On Jul 31, 8:37 pm, "CricketLeague" <CricketlLea...@USA.com> wrote:
>>> Why are there so many threads about SreeSanths beamer ?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> It's recent.
>
>
> Yeah but they still whinge and whine about Murali being a chucker although
> he hasn't been called for chucking since the last century!!
So he was a chucker, we agree at last
snip
CricketLeague
> snip
>
>>> CricketLeague is perhaps the most ignorant poster on RSC.
>
> typo fixed
dechuka,
I am not surprised by your choice to live all your life in
darkness...........
CricketLeague
Or the poor defenceless umpires and match referee may file charges agaisnt
the nasty subcontinental criminals, killers, murderers, terrorists and
beamer bowlers......
Ravi
> SultanOfSwing wrote:
> > On Aug 1, 12:46 am, Paul Robson <p...@robsons.org.muralichucks.uk>
> > wrote:
> >> On Tue, 31 Jul 2007 19:59:11 +0100, John Hall wrote:
> >>>> Hasnt any Eng/NZ/Aus bowlers bowled beamers in the past ?
> >>> Yes. It hasn't happened very often, but they were severely criticised
> >>> when it did occur. The nationality of the bowler should have nothing
> >>> whatsoever to do with it.
> >> These are the rabid Indian fans. If Sreesanth had picked up a stump and
> >> disembowelled Vaughan with it, they would attribute any criticism to
> >> racism or some other such crap.
>
> > What a load of crap. As usual, you resort to gross generalisations.
> > On the basis of Robert Henderson spouting racist crap, should I
> > call *all* English posters "racist"? Wouldn't that be a gross
> > generalisation?
>
> > Also regarding the jelly beans incident, I've noted that the
> > English players involved (notably both Cook and Prior)
> > haven't been charged as yet by the ICC match referee.
>
> Nor should they be.
>
> Since India bitched and moaned about a MR being able to lay charges,
> they haven't been able to lay charges.
>
> skulls that the MR cannot lay charges?
>
> If it is such a huge deal why hasn't the Indian team manager or the CEO
> of the BCCI laid charges???????
>
> Here is a list of the people who are allowed to lay charges.
>
> "1.1 An alleged breach of the Rules of Conduct can be reported by:
> (a) the umpires, including the third or any further umpires appointed
> for a Test Match, ODI Match or a Tour Match;
Zaheer complained to the umpires on the field of play - why haven't
they filed a report if they find it a breach of rules/law (as it
certainly seems to be the case from other post references)? Are they
ignoring the complaint raised on the field and with evidence that they
have seen on the pitch?
Ravi
CricketLeague
CricketLeague
Eff off moron......I dont have any respect for human filth like you who
doenst have the guts and bravery to accept facts.....
CricketLeague
I am still trying to figure why aussie psychiatrists gave you internet
access..........and wondering if I can sue them.....
dechucka
"CricketLeague" <Cricket...@USA.com> wrote in message
and you pov is .....
very sunny here even at this time of year
>
dechucka
"CricketLeague" <Cricket...@USA.com> wrote in message
at least you not going on about radios this time
>
>
dechucka
"CricketLeague" <Cricket...@USA.com> wrote in message
Wacko.
>
>
>
Phil.
Perhaps the evidence they saw wasn't convincing?
CricketLeague
There is lot of sun and day light on this planet but I pity you for choosing
to live in darkness forever.....
CricketLeague
"Phil." <fel...@princeton.edu> wrote in message
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Perhaps they didnt want to file a report because its England ?
The players themselves admitted throwing jelly beans on the pitch, havent
they ?
CricketLeague
Tranny.
CricketLeague
U mean the ones you shoved up ur ass fro sexual gratification ??........No
thanks....
CDK
Maybe they didn't deem it necessary?
> Are they
> ignoring the complaint raised on the field and with evidence that they
> have seen on the pitch?
Possibly the feel they have dealt with the situation sufficiently on the
field and it didn't need to go any further. Clearly the Indian team
manager and the CEO of the BCCI must be happy with that as they have not
deemed it important enough to lay charges.
CDK
CDK
If it is so terrible why didn't the Indian team manager or the CEO of
the BCCI lay charges? Clearly they did not deem it an incident worthy
or reporting.
CDK
CDK
Larry has criticised Sangakarra numerous times in this ng.
He also confronted Kumar about it at a dinner held for Sri Lanka in
Melbourne a few years back
CDK
>
>
CricketLeague
Dickhead,
I ran out of patience with you cunning mofos...........STOP these FUCKING
LIES, SPIN and ENDLESS ARGUMENTS.......
1) Eng players ADMITTED publicly they planted jelly beans on the pitch
2) Zaheer complained about the jelly beans on the pitch to umpires during
that bat raising and walking towards KP incident
3) Umpires have the authority to file a report/complaint (whatever it is) to
the Match referee.....
There is NO NEED for Indian board officials or Indian team manager to do
file a complaint.......
END OF STORY.......
Dont fucking come back with more bull shit from London......
dechucka
Fair enough, that's why I don't mind Laz apart from Murali we agree on most
things cricket
>>
dechucka
> Tranny.
you are back to the Franklin persona. Like normal PM Aus time and you go
insane even for you
>
>
dechucka
>> at least you not going on about radios this time
>
>
>
> U mean the ones you shoved up ur ass fro sexual gratification ??........No
> thanks....
you and Laz what a pear
>
>
Rod
wrote:
>Larry here's a classic example of a wicket keeper sledging, it's
>actually rather funny, from one of the noisier umps.
>
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PlFF98dM8sA&NR
That's a really good example of a great sledge. Didn't say
anything about Pollock, didn't degrade him in any way, just
put the gravity of the situation in the forefront of his
mind.
Cheers,
Rod.
CricketLeague
dechuka = Andrew Dunford = Mike Holmans = Wog George = Osama
bin laden = Al Zawahiri = sdavmor = Phil = Paul Robson = will_s
Hopefully AFP, DIO, DIB, ONA, ASIO, MI6, FBI and NSA catches these
terrorists and lock them up where
they belong......
CricketLeague
Southpaw
wrote:
> John Hall <nospam_no...@jhall.co.uk> wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
>
>
> > If Sreesanth bowled the beamer accidentally, he should have
> > apologised, as bowlers normally do in that situation. Sometimes a
> > ball will slip from the bowler's grasp and result in an accidental
> > beamer, His apparent failure to apologise is what annoyed people, I
> > think. I notice that Jones apologised in the case that you have
> > discovered in 2005.
>
> according to the ball-by-ball commentary, sreesanth apologised immediately:
>
> cricinfo:
> 53.6 Sreesanth to Pietersen, 1 no ball, oh dear, that was
> unintentionally nasty - a beamer from Sreesanth heads straight for
> Pietersen's head. Pietersen crashes to the ground, taking evasive action,
> and Sreesanth apologises immediately
>
> guardian:
> 54th over: England 174-2 (Vaughan 59, Pietersen 19) The first sign of
> friction out there. Charging in, Sreesanth throws down a head-high beamer
> that KP evades at the last nanosecond by collapsing to the ground. Sreesanth
> raises a hand in apology with all the sincerity of a tennis player who just
> won a crucial point with the help of the net-cord.
>
> > Added later: I now see that - according to Vaughan - Sreesanth has
> > apologised for the beamer, so I'm happy to forget about that incident.
Not a bad picture of the whole imbroglio:
http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/ci/content/image/304513.html
-Samarth.
>
> --
> stay cool,
> Spaceman Spiff
>
> get your own damn grateful dead lyrics.http://arts.ucsc.edu/gdead/agdl/