Lake Wales, FL. The pastor at the Church of the Nazarene has been charged
with sexually assaulting a male 17-year-old youth leader three times in
2001. The Rev. Gene Francis, 52, of Lake Wales, was arrested Tuesday and
charged with unlawful sexual activity with a minor. (Sarasota
Herald-Tribune, June 4, 2003)
Lake Wales minister arrested in sexual assault case
Tuscon, AZ. The Rev. David Valencia, 47, assistant pastor of a Pentecostal
church is expected in court Wednesday on rape charges issued by
Pennsylvania authorities. In Pennsylvania, Valencia was an assistant
pastor at Christ Church at Grove Farm, an interdenominational church that
uses Anglican liturgy. The pastor of Christ Church, the Rev. John Guest,
told the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette that Valencia was dismissed in late 2001
because he was found to have pornography on an office computer after he
was warned about a similar incident months earlier. (Tucson Citizen, May
31, 2003) Rev. David Valencia allegedly had sex with a 17-year-old girl he
was counseling
Fort Pierce, FL. Pastor Kenneth Johnson, recently convicted of having sex
with a minor, and Friendship Missionary Baptist Church -- where he
reportedly continues to minister -- were named in a sex-abuse lawsuit
filed Tuesday. Johnson, 39, is scheduled to be sentenced Friday on one
count of unlawful sexual activity with a minor. He faces up to 15 years on
the second-degree felony. (The Tribune, January 22, 2003) .
Johnson to be sentenced Friday on 1 count of unlawful sexual activity with
minor
Athens, GA. Ralph Tulk, 63, was arrested Tuesday and charged with five
counts of child molestation for allegedly inappropriately touching five
children at Holy Trinity Lutheran Church over several years. He was
superintendent of the Sunday school program when some of the alleged
molestations took place and was treasurer of the church until last month,
according to police and the church. Dickerson and many other residents of
this Northeast Georgia city -- most of whom were willing to share their
thoughts about the case but not be quoted -- said they worry about the
church, but aren't yet convinced of the allegations. "This is America, and
you are innocent until proven guilty," Dickerson said. (MSNBC.com, Jan.
11, 2003) Town reacts to molestation charges
Bryan, TX. A pastor was arrested and released from jail Monday night after
he was charged with aggravated sexual assault of a child. Ford was
indicted earlier this month based on an allegation he had sexually
assaulted a teenage boy who went on a trip with the pastor to the Texas
Panhandle more than two years ago. Ford was pastor from the New Zion
Missionary Baptist Church in Bryan where he had served for 17 years.
(Bryan-College Station Eagle, Dec. 24, 2002)
pastor accused of assaulting Bryan boy arrested
Idaho Falls, ID. An area pastor is charged with inappropriately touching a
teenage boy. Idaho Falls police charged a long-time religious leader with
five counts of lewd conduct with a minor. 46-year-old Steven Michael
Sheridan, the former pastor of St. Paul's United Methodist Church has been
arrested-- this after police recorded two recent phone conversations
between the victim and Sheridan. Sheridan was the pastor of St. Paul's
United Methodist Church five years ago when the alleged crimes occurred.
Since then, he's been pastor of another church. The victim who was 13 at
the time, and is now 18, said Sheridan was like a mentor. They took trips
together, and during those trips, Sheridan touched him sexually. One time,
the pastor allegedly touched the boys genitals saying he was checking for
cancer. (KPVI, Dec. 6, 2002)
AREA PASTOR CHARGED WITH INAPPROPRIATELY TOUCHING A TEENAGE BOY
Former Pastor Sex Abuse Case Moves Forward
Denver, CO. Denver police arrested a 26-year-old youth minister with St.
John's Church of God in Christ after a 15-year-old member accused him of
sexual assault.(November 15, 2002, Rocky Moutain News)
Youth Paster arrested
News Report
LINCOLN, NE. Three lawsuits have been filed against a Lutheran church
school for alleged sexual abuse by former officials, including a minister
who served as principal. The lawsuits against St. John Lutheran Church in
Seward seek millions of dollars for the alleged abuse. The Lincoln Journal
Star reported in Saturday's editions that two lawsuits were filed in
Lancaster County District Court on Friday by unnamed plaintiffs who
alleged they were abused by longtime principal David Mannigel. Mannigel, a
Lutheran minister, apparently killed himself last year. (ABC News,
November 2, 2002) Lutheran Church sued over abuse by Pastor Mannigel
LINCOLN, NE? Three lawsuits have been filed against a Lutheran church
school for alleged sexual abuse by former officials, including a minister
who served as principal. The lawsuits against St. John Lutheran Church in
Seward seek millions of dollars for the alleged abuse. The other lawsuit
was filed in U.S. District Court in Lincoln on Wednesday by T. Mark Kraft,
a Colorado man, for claims of abuse by retired teacher Arlen Meyer. That
lawsuit seeks $1 million. (ABC News, November 2, 2002)
Lutheran Church sued over abuse by Pastor Meyer
Austin, TX. A former youth minister faces up to 20 years in prison after
he was convicted of nine counts of child sexual abuse. Charles Richard
Willits, Jr., 44, a former youth minister at Great Hills Baptist Church,
was convicted Saturday. Sentencing was scheduled for Monday. (October 18,
2002; Abilene Reporter-News)
Youth Paster Convicted in Criminal Court
Lake Wales, FL. The pastor at the Church of the Nazarene has been charged
with sexually assaulting a male 17-year-old youth leader three times in
2001. The Rev. Gene Francis, 52, of Lake Wales, was arrested Tuesday and
charged with unlawful sexual activity with a minor. (Sarasota
Herald-Tribune, June 4, 2003) Lake Wales minister arrested in sexual
assault case
Tuscon, AZ. The Rev. David Valencia, 47, assistant pastor of a Pentecostal
church is expected in court Wednesday on rape charges issued by
Pennsylvania authorities. In Pennsylvania, Valencia was an assistant
pastor at Christ Church at Grove Farm, an interdenominational church that
uses Anglican liturgy. The pastor of Christ Church, the Rev. John Guest,
told the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette that Valencia was dismissed in late 2001
because he was found to have pornography on an office computer after he
was warned about a similar incident months earlier. (Tucson Citizen, May
31, 2003) Rev. David Valencia allegedly had sex with a 17-year-old girl he
was counseling
Dayton, OH. A Trotwood minister, whose lawyer said he has been a "sex
addict" since age 10, sought treatment rather than face trial in a
Brookville police- run
Internet sting that presented a virtual 14-year-old boy in a chat room.
But a Montgomery County judge denied his plea for treatment Tuesday.
Turner's attorney, Dwight Brannon, wrote "He had his first sexual
experience with another
male at the age of 19 while in college. Shortly after he began surfing the
Web
his addiction slowly began to grow." Turner had been pastor of Anchor
Community Church, 38 S. Fairgreen Drive, for seven years when he was
arrested last summer. (Dayton Daily News, 01.29.2003)
Minister arrested in police-run Internet sting
Riviera Beach, FL. A prominent minister, his church and deacon have
reached a $600,000 settlement with a mentally disabled man who accused the
minister of rape. The Rev. Thomas Masters, pastor of the New Macedonia
Church of Riviera Beach, and Church Mutual, insurer for the church,
negotiated the settlement with
the man, according to his attorneys and court papers filed Monday. The
man, who has the mental capacity of a 7-year-old, attended New Macedonia
and accused Masters of coercing him to smoke crack cocaine and then raping
him twice on church property over Thanksgiving weekend in 1991. (The Palm
Beach Post, January
14, 2003)
West Palm Beach minister, church pay $600,000
Denver, CO. Denver police arrested a 26-year-old youth minister with St.
John's Church of God in Christ after a 15-year-old member accused him of
sexual assault. (November 15, 2002, Rocky Moutain News)
Youth Paster arrested
News Report
Tulsa, OK. Son Minh Rockstroh, 48, was arrested Saturday on three counts
of rape
by instrumentation and one count of lewd molestation of a child. He was
jailed about 2 a.m. Saturday and is being held in lieu of $200,000 bail.
The allegations have no apparent link to his work as a schoolteacher but
to his leadership of a small religious group called Church Life, Tulsa
police said. The
victim and her mother met Rockstroh through Church Life, whose members
meet in each others' homes, Detective Chuck Haywood said. "There is not a
pastor of the church, but everyone considered him to be the guy in
charge," Haywood said of Rockstroh. During an interview with police,
Rockstroh admitted that he had molested the girl on three occasions, jail
records show. (Tulsa World, 11/12/2002)
Church Leader Arrested
TISHOMINGO, OK. Kentucky pastor accused of raping a 12-year-old Oklahoma
girl has surrendered to Johnston County officials. The Rev. Chadwick L.
Keathley, associate pastor of Ark of Mercy Church of God in Winchester,
Ky., responded Tuesday to an arrest warrant issued Aug. 26. Prosecutors
charged Keathley, 27, with lewd molestation, first-degree rape and rape by
instrumentation. He was released after posting a $25,000 cash bond and an
Oct. 22 preliminary hearing was scheduled. The alleged incident occurred
during summer 2000 at a Church of God gathering at Camp Bond Youth Camp
near Tishomingo. (The Winchester Sun, Sept. 2002)
Pastor surrenders to Oklahoma officials
? Hello Did That Get Your Attention ?
Actually the AP News Headline Reads :
"White House says Obama is Christian, prays daily"
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100819/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_poll_obama_s_religion
but if , , , But If . . . BUT IF ! ! !
The Obama White House has to explain and re-explain
Prez Obama's Faith {Beliefs} be it : Agnostic, Bahia,
Buddhist, Christian, Falun Gong, Hindu, Jewish, Muslim,
or even a New World Order Atheist. {Alphabetical List}
Then you have to Ask : What Message ?Is? Prez
Obama Sending About His Very Own Religious Faith
and Personal Beliefs to the American Public ?
* Spending most of His Prez-A-Duntzial Sundays
at Camp David Playing Golf; and not going to a
'nice' Church {Temple/Synagog/Mosque} in the
Washington DC area.
.
? WHY is One Radio Host has started calling Prez Obama
"Imam Obama" this Week as a result of Prez Obama's
public support for the NYC Ground Zero Islamic Mosque.
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/cbcfef2290a21143
.
Here is a Link to the "The Pew Research Center"
Poll on what Americans 'Think' -is- Prez Obama's
Religion {judging from his pubic actions}
http://pewresearch.org/pubs/1701/poll-obama-muslim-christian-church-out-of-politics-political-leaders-religious
=Now= Go Think For Your-Self what message
Prez Obama is sending about his Religion to
the American People.
http://www.politicsdaily.com/2010/08/19/obama-is-muslim-poll-says-that-more-people-believe-it/
.
* Bans Franklin Graham and other Christian
Ministers from the National Prayer Breakfast
* Has the Obama US State Department send
as America's Representative {Ambassador}
Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf the Driving Force
behind the NYC Ground Zero Islamic Mosque
around the World at US Tax Payers Expense
to drum-up contributions to Build the Mosque.
http://www.catholic.org/politics/story.php?id=37787&wf=rsscol
? When did the US Government ever Pay for
Bill Graham to have a Christian Crusade in
Russia, China or anywhere else . . . ?
[Separation of Church-and-State for Christians
-but- Not Islam under Prez Obama]
.
* Prez Obama Publicly Supports Building the
NYC Ground Zero Islamic Mosque
.
Given the Facts there is no wonder why some
are now calling Prez Obama "Imam Obama"
and believe by Prez Obama's own actions that
Prez Obama is a Muslim.
.
Praise Be The Obama ! - my prez-a-duntz ~ RHF
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K17kA50c1zs
All Hail to Our Lord and Savior Prez Obama !
http://votingfemale.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/obama-i-am-god.jpg
-for- all those unbelievers : the truth will set you free
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAaQNACwaLw
.
.
-was- "To Be A Christian In The USA"
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/9e942a073052efde
* an Anti-Christian Hate Bashing Post by a God
Hating Liberal-Fascist citing individual, independent
and separate failures by Christians as a Condemnation
of All Christians and the Christian Faith.
.
Eddie Haskell setting your follow-ups to these
Newsgroups : talk.politics.crypto, alt.politics.howard-dean,
alt.flame.rednecks, alt.flame.rush-limbaugh, alt.bullshit
Just proves that you are living up to you 'whimpy'
screen name.
.
.
He behaves like a closet atheist. That's not on your list.
- He behaves like a closet atheist.
- That's not on your list.
Dave - 'closet atheist' = New World Order Atheist
-cause- There Is NO God In The "New World Order"
Where-As some claim the BHO is 'in-the-closet'
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/c88840c8e2cbc5d8
-wrt- to "allegations" by Larry Sinclair and others . . .
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/a967281b0a90d758
-but- these are just un-proven 'allegations' so far . . .
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/5b9c0f2d15109425
.
ROTFL : White House says Obama is Christian
-and- Prays to Allah 5X Daily
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/f1ae724b986d9483
* Maybe BHO is a "Golfist" cause 'The Prez'
Prays ;;-}} Golf Every Sunday at Camp David.
** Yeah BHO is a "Golfist" with a Daily
Basketball Jones ;;-}}
.
OMA! [Oh My Allah !] - Nancy Pelosi [D-CA]
Calls for Inquiry into the Persons and the
Un-American Groups Opposed to the NYC
Ground Zero Islamic Mosque
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/48bec704b4c7511b
.
.
Simply a lie.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khwKiv8sla4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3MqjbkwVEI
...a list of Christian perverts....
============================================
Let's not forget that PERVERSION knows no religious boundaries.
=================================================
Long list of Jewish Child Molester Rabbis gets no media coverage and
Jewish homosexual pedophiles are undisturbed.
http://jews-for-allah.org/forum/thread-1198.html
=================================================
mike
- Let's not forget that PERVERSION knows no religious boundaries.
Let's not forget that PERVERSION knows no Un-religious boundaries.
Stalin . . . Pol Pot . . . Castro . . .
Let's not forget that PERVERSION knows no Non-religious boundaries.
Mao . . . Hitler . . . Beria . . .
> =================================================
- Long list of Jewish Child Molester Rabbis gets no media coverage and
- Jewish homosexual pedophiles are undisturbed.
Mike [M II] there you go again Attacking The Jews :
Do the nice people at Civil Rights Canada have your
Address on their Garmin GPS Speed-Dial ? ? ?
> http://jews-for-allah.org/forum/thread-1198.html
> =================================================
>
> mike
"The fight which Fascist Italy waged against Jewry's three
principal weapons, the profound reasons for which may not have been
consciously understood (though I do not believe this myself) furnishes
the best proof that the poison fangs of that Power which transcends
all State boundaries are being drawn, even though in an indirect way.
The prohibition of Freemasonry and secret societies, the suppression
of the supranational Press and the definite abolition of Marxism,
together with the steadily increasing consolidation of the Fascist
concept of the State--all this will enable the Italian Government, in
the course of some years, to advance more and more the interests of
the Italian people without paying any attention to the hissing of the
Jewish world-hydra.
"The English situation is not so favorable. In that country
which has 'the freest democracy' the Jew dictates his will, almost
unrestrained but indirectly, through his influence on public opinion."
http://www.ihr.org/ www.vanguardnewsnetwork.com/
http://www.natvan.com http://www.nsm88.org
http://heretical.com/ http://immigration-globalization.blogspot.com/
> Mike [M II] there you go again Attacking The Jews :
> Do the nice people at Civil Rights Canada have your
> Address on their Garmin GPS Speed-Dial ? ? ?
Why don't you say anything when the 'Christian' child molesting
perverts are being advertised? What are you hiding?
Are the children of Christians more suitable for clergy sex than the
children of Jews?
Let me guess..you're defending only *certain* depraved bastards
because the Rabbi gave you candy after his anal escapades.
There certainly is a bigot here. It's YOU.
mike
Mike [M II] You Post Raised Serious Questions :
About Canada and Canadians -wrt- Persons-of-Faith
? Can You Be a Christian or Jew or Muslim
{Any Person of Faith} In Canada ?
? Are Believers {Persons-of-Faith} Welcome In Canada ?
? Do Canadians Secretly or Openly Hate Organized Religions ?
? Is Belief in a God Considered to BE and Illness in Canada ?
Mike [M II],
Please get in control of your Emotions, Anger and
Vitriol Hate and STOP Attacking Persons-of-Faith
{Believers} : Be they Bahia, Buddhist, Christian,
Falun Gong, Hindu, Jewish, Muslim, etc.
The Personal Failures of One Person Does NOT
Define or Condemn a Religion -for- We All Fall
Short In The Eyes of God*{Allah} -peace-and-love-
* May God*{Allah's} Blessing Be Upon You and
Help You To Find Internal Peace and Love That
You Too Can Share With Others in His Name
-may-joy-and-happiness-abound-within-you- &
-goodness-and-mercy-following-you-all-your-life-
? Why Oh Why ? Do You Attack "Persons-of-Faith"
and Organized Religions with Such a Vengeance Mike ?
Mike maybe you should chant :
aslama,,, aslama,,, aslama,,,
Aslama... Aslama... Aslama...
ASLAMA ! ! ! ASLAMA ! ! ! ASLAMA ! ! !
to help you gain inner peace and control.
.
Once again Mike [M II]
Here are are a few Canadian websites so that you
can get in-touch with your Inner-Canadian :o)
* eCanada Now .Com
http://www.ecanadanow.com/
* The Canadian Sentinel
http://thecanadiansentinel.blogspot.com/
* The "Conspiracy Cafe" -host- George Freund
http://www.thatchannel.com/conspiracycafe
http://thatradio.podhoster.com/index.php?sid=1746
mikey - let this be a teachable moment for you . . .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLY7yI1xV-M
Be Happy To Be A Canadian and Rejoice In It !
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BD2D6eter7M
God {Allah} Bless Canada and All Canadians - Amen
peace-and-love {pal} from your american cousins
-cause- we don't want you to blow a gasket ~ RHF
.
.
ROTFL : White House says Obama is Christian
and Prays to Allah 5X Daily©
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/f1ae724b986d9483
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/4cafd087ee46d23c
.
.
> ? Why Oh Why ? Do You Attack "Persons-of-Faith"
> and Organized Religions with Such a Vengeance Mike ?
Why, oh why, do you defend "Persons of Faith" who insist on sticking
their penises into little children?
If you honestly believe that these perverts are "Persons of Faith",
you've got as big a problem they do.
Get help, you pervert defending jerk.
mike
Mike [M II]
The Personal Failures of One Person Does NOT
Define or Bring Total Condemnation of a Religion.
Name One Modern Western Religion That Teaches
Molesting Young Innocent Children !
Go Ahead and Attack Them {The Individuals} for
Their Personal Crimes and Failures -but- Don't Use
These Individual Failings To Attack the Entire Religion
and the Vast Majority of Good Decent People as a
Group; and Label that Religion as Teaching Child Abuse.
I know of NO Major Religion and of any Main-Line
Church/Temple/Mosque in the USA or Canada that
has a NAMBLA Chapter or that Advocates a NAMBLA
Agenda for the Exploitation and Abuse of Children
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Man/Boy_Love_Association
The Modern Western Religious Tradition is to Nurture
and Protect Children from the Evil that Men Do.
- If you honestly believe that these perverts are
- "Persons of Faith", you've got as big a problem
- they do.
Christianity Teaches : Hate the Sin Not the Sinner
Modern Civil Justice Demands : Punish The Criminal
and Under Civil Law Child Abuse is a Crime [.]
- Get help, you pervert defending jerk.
-
- mike
Mike - Honestly You Know I Am NOT Defending
These Individual Criminals : I am Defending The
Religion and the Body of Believers from Your
Biased and Bigoted Attack on All Persons-of-Faith
for the Individual Criminal Acts of a few : Who
Themselves Are Violating their own Religious
Values, Principles and Teachings.
mike yours is the perversion of blaming all for
the acts of one or a few -so- please get right
with yourself and overcome your gross hate
for all persons-of-faith - peace-and-love- ~ RHF
.
? Can You Be a Christian or Jew or Muslim
{Any Person of Faith} In Canada ?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/35f9b90b0a4e16a2
.
.
Oh Canada - Say It Ain't So . . . ~ RHF
.
Paul Gallo will be talking to Chuck Norris at 8:00 AM this morning.
cuhulin
Stupid begets stupid.
- Stupid begets stupid.
And Dave clearly you know 's-t-u-p-i-d' time two.
dah d'oh ! dah ~ RHF
.
http://www.devilfinder.com
Syndicated columnist at World Net Daily Chuck Morse
he mentioned his book, The Nazi Connection To Islamic Terrorism
Yep, that's him, Chuck Morse.
What do you mean, stupid? Chuck Norris made that Vietnam movie because
his brother was in Vietnam.Nothing stupid about that!
cuhulin
Yes, and intelligence begets intelligence, genetically speaking. The
problem is, we left a term out of the equation.
We need that term to account for differing birth rates.
The correct equation is:
Intelligence begets intelligence. And stupid begets stupid squared.
That's why we need positive eugenics.
All the best,
Kevin Alfred Strom.
--
http://kevinalfredstrom.com/
The Regular Gas Sign said "$3.19" right here
at the Flyers* {Shell} Gas Station in Sonora, CA.
http://www.carseverything.com/124/california-sonora-gas-prices.html
* But that is 10 Miles down the Hill to get a
Gasoline Fill-Up. That's a 20 Mile Round-Trip
and Burns-Up a Gallon of Gasoline just to do it.
.
-R-I-P-
The last Gasoline Station in Twain Harte, CA
is Closed due to the excessive Big City Air
Quality Regulations in California that also are
being apply to Rural 'Remote' Communities.
So now we have to Drive Out of the Village either
Up-the-Hill or Down the Grade to get Gas and
waste a Half-a-Gallon to a Whole Gallon of
Gasoline in the Process.
? Wondering just how much Air Pollution these
Fill-Up Trips are ADDING to the Air Pollution ?
HELLO - WAKE-UP CALIFORNIA STATE
GOVERNMENT ONE-SIZE DON'T FIT ALL !
Big City Air Quality Regs Don't Work in the
Rural Counties {Country} Where Gas Stations
are often 5~10 Miles apart. How Much Air
Pollution does just One (1) Gas Station make
in a 25 to 100 Square Mile Area -where-as-
The City of Alameda, CA has around 25 Gas
Stations in around the same 25 Square Mile
Area, and they all pump 2~3 times the Gas
as our one small local one did; and ain't no
more. -we-are-dry-and-so-gas-less-
.
California Gas Prices .Com
http://www.californiagasprices.com/index.aspx
Ouch $4.36 in Kirkwood, CA
.
say buddy can you spare a gallon of gas ~ RHF
.
.
> Just heard on the Radio/TV to night that Quoting
> from the Christian Bible is now considered Hate
> Speech in Canada.
>
> Oh Canada - Say It Ain't So . . . ~ RHF
> .
Well, if it's the part of the Bible that says that people who bugger
little children should have millstones hung around their necks and
drowned I can certainly see it. We can't go around spreading hate
against those who practice perversion.
I don't see your problem with it. You've been defending child raping
clergy for years, not 'Christian' clergy mind you.
When I call a Christian child molester a pervert, you call me anti religion.
When I call a Rabbi child molester a pervert, you call me anti Jewish.
What sort of evil would these deviants have to do for you to finally say
"It's WRONG" ?
You have a real problem here. Allow Bible quotations as Free Speech or
protect the perverts' rights to molest your children. Your call.
Before you condemn Canada, check out your own backyard...
http://www.rense.com/general78/calif.htm
Anti-Defamation League of B'nai B'rith wants to make it illegal
EVERYWHERE to criticise SODOMY. Sodomy must be a subset of things Kosher.
Am I being anti Jewish now? Or are they being anti heterosexual Christian?
mike
> The correct equation is:
>
> Intelligence begets intelligence. And stupid begets stupid squared.
>
> That's why we need positive eugenics.
How about proof of, at the MINIMUM, High School graduation before a
breeding permit is issued? That could be vastly improved upon by
demanding graduation AND proof of having had a job for two years after
graduation.
Mind you, if the out of control source of new sub-standard babies is
stopped, the current Judicial system would collapse. A 'for profit' jail
system needs criminals. Stupidity, poverty and hopelessness go a long
way to provide those criminals.
mike
> Yes, and intelligence begets intelligence, genetically speaking. The
> problem is, we left a term out of the equation.
>
> We need that term to account for differing birth rates.
>
> The correct equation is:
>
> Intelligence begets intelligence. And stupid begets stupid squared.
>
> That's why we need positive eugenics.
>
>
> All the best,
>
>
>
> Kevin Alfred Strom.
Shockley made similar points. As did hundreds of scientists,
thinkers, and politicians around the globe about the time of the
Second World War. The thinking is not entirely without merit.
Although, in the case of Shockley, the reasoning was cold. Often
cruelly discriminatory. And not just along racial lines.
But implementation of this thinking becomes histrionically
problematic on its face. The issue is not the improvement of the
species. But how, and by whom, the eugenic decisions are made.
Indeed, the very definition of the terms 'positive eugenics,'
carries with it a chilling implication rooted in politics. Not
unlike what some opponents to the health care bill have expressed
over the last year.
But a significant distinction is borne in the terms
'intelligence,' and 'stupid,' themselves.
Kevin, 'stupid' is not the opposite of 'intelligence.' A hard
truth is that they are not even mutually exclusive. High
intelligence may be just as stupid as low. 'Stupid' is based in
choices, not brain power. Choosing to engage one's mouth before
releasing the clutch on the brain has created historically stupid
moments, such as Obiteme's comments regarding the police
department's actions against Henry Louis Gates. In one breath, he
admitted he knew nothing of the facts of the case, but condemned the
police as having acted stupidly.
A stupid comment on its face, by an intelligent man...regardless
of what we think of his politics.
You're right. Stupidity begets stupidity squared. We see that
every day in this country. And in other countries around the world.
But the solution is not eugenic improvement of species'
intelligence. The solution is better education, even training, if
you will, of individuals to chamber their brain before releasing the
safety on their mouths.
That's not a function of IQ. That's a function of social values.
I had a GM who used to say of one of the staff, "She's a 286 in
a Pentium world."
I had to point out that the computer running the radio station
was a 286 running DOS. And that it never crashed. Never locked up.
Ran 24/7 and never created a billing error, pulled a wrong playlist,
or printed an incorrect log. And that he'd done more boneheaded
things that have cost far more in the corporate environment running
his P2 and Windows.
He realized the analogy.
Speaking generally, low intelligence individuals are not
individuals of low value. They may not be astrophysicists, and
neurosurgery may not be a good career choice, but they do play an
integral role in society. They work, they own homes. They
participate in the economy. They participate in society. They create
art. Many often display eerily incisive wisdom. They may be a little
less self insightful, but they're not valueless. And simply deciding
to breed them out of the species is both arrogant and, in a very
real sense, counter productive, even when speaking of genetics.
But, again, the major issue is the one of implementation. Who
would decide what is a 'positive eugenic?' And who would make the
decision who may and may not breed. I can think of no one, no one
man, one woman, or one committee...no one...whom I'd trust to make
that decision. And I certainly wouldn't want it left to machines.
Even supercomputers are inadequate to that task.
There are reasons eugenics has fallen out of favor among
thinkers and scientists. The theories were debunked decades ago with
the realization that artificial eugenics are unnecessary, and
undesirable. That Nature can more effectively, and with surprising
agility and stability, remove unproductive genes from the pool. That
Natural selection, though a work in progress, is always working,
and, most importantly, politically blind. And though your thinking
about birth rates on the long term impact on the culture is correct,
on the long term impact on the species it is not.
Education is a more far reaching, effective, and catholically
applicable strategy to improving the state of Man, by ridding it of
stupidity, than is eugenics.
And more importantly, it can even be applied to those of lesser
inate intelligence with great result.
p
NO - I have stated that Modern Civil Justice
Demands : Punish The Criminal and Under
Civil Law Child Abuse is a Crime [.]
-but- Don't Use the Criminal Act to Attack
the Religion as a whole.
- When I call a Christian child molester a pervert,
- you call me anti religion.
Cause you use it to Attack the Religion as a
whole; for the Act of an Individual.
- When I call a Rabbi child molester a pervert,
- you call me anti Jewish.
Cause you use it to Attack the Religion as a
whole; for the Act of an Individual.
- What sort of evil would these deviants
- have to do for you to finally say
- "It's WRONG" ?
I have never said that they are not WRONG
and Criminals -and- I have stated that Modern
Civil Justice Demands : Punish The Criminal
and Under Civil Law Child Abuse is a Crime [.]
-however- Don't Use the Criminal Act to Attack
the Religion as a whole.
- You have a real problem here.
NO I Don't : I believe in Punishing Criminals : NOT
Bashing Religion for the Acts of an Individual
- Allow Bible quotations as Free Speech
Free Speech should Be Free Speech
-and-
Freedom of Religion should Be Freedom of Religion
- or protect the perverts' rights to molest your children.
NEVER Said {Wrote} that Child Abusers
have any 'right' to Abuse Children [.]
Child Abuse Is NOT Freedom of Speech
-and-
Child Abuse Is NOT Freedom of Religion
Bashing Innocent All Persons-of-Faith for the
Crime of one individual is Abuse of Freedom
of Speech and Hateful too.
-and-
Bashing a Religious Group or Organization
for the Crime of one individual is Abuse of
Freedom of Speech and Hateful too.
- Your call.
Call-Out The Sinner : Not The Whole Religion
- Before you condemn Canada, check out your own backyard...
Back-At-You : Before Condemn the USA
and Americans : Explore All Things Canada
- http://www.rense.com/general78/calif.htm
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- Anti-Defamation League of B'nai B'rith wants
- to make it illegal EVERYWHERE to criticise
- SODOMY. Sodomy must be a subset of things
- Kosher.
NO 'Sodomy' is part of the Gay Rights Agenda.
-and- If confine to Consenting Adults is relegated
to an individual right.
Trying to Stop Freedom of Speech -wrt- to Sodomy
is also an Individual Right.
Trying to Stop 'other' Religion's Freedom of Speech
-wrt- to Sodomy is also Freedom of Religion Right
for the 'other' Religions that the Jews Do Not Have
over the 'others' and the 'others' do not have over
the Jews in the Homes and Temples -if- The Jews
want to Ban Speaking-Out Against 'Sodomy' in
those Jewish places for themselves the can.
- Am I being anti Jewish now?
Why did you select them ?
Because they are Jewish ?
=IF= So Yes .
- Or are they being anti heterosexual Christian?
The Jews in this instance are try to extend their
Religious Authority beyond themselves and
Restrict the Rights of 'other' Religions to their
own beliefs.
- mike
Mike [M II],
Asked and Answered More than Once :
Condemn the Individual as an Individual
Don't Use the Individuals Crimes to use
a Broad Bush to Paint the Whole Religion
as Evil, Wicked, Sick and Criminal
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/35f9b90b0a4e16a2
Christianity Teaches : Hate the Sin - Not the Sinner
Modern Civil Justice Demands : Punish The Criminal
and Under Civil Law Child Abuse is a Crime [.]
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/fda72cd4374a15e7
* The USA {American} is a Nation of Civil Laws
Not Religious Laws.
* Hopefully Canada is too.
Go Ahead and Attack Them {The Individuals} for
Their Personal Crimes and Failures -but- Don't Use
These Individual Failings To Attack the Entire Religion
and the Vast Majority of Good Decent People as a
Group; and Label that Religion as Teaching Child Abuse.
Would you 'note' and individuals Crimes and also
Blatantly point Out their Race time and time again ?
John A. is a Murder and he is WHITE*
Betty B. is a Killer DUI and she is WHITE*
Clara C. is a Drug Addict and she is WHITE*
Ron D. is a Child Abuser and he is WHITE*
Barry O. is Homosexual and he is WHITE*
* White -or- Black -or- Asian -or- Mexican
Bashing is Bashing - pal ~ RHF
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http://www.devilfinder.com
Larry Frederick biking across America
cuhulin
In any Society the Top* 15% need the Bottom#
85% to make the Society as a whole work
and be both effective and prosperous.
* Every Leader Needs a Team of Willing and
Capable Workers each doing their Job/Task.
# Respect the Person Doing that lessor Job/Task
That You Wouldn't Do Yourself for Your-Self.
grunt's are people too and without them : you
would have to learn to 'grunt' for yourself ~ RHF
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The WIC Nutrition Program has done more
to improve Children's Health and Intelligence
in the last 30-Years then most other initiatives.
http://www.fns.usda.gov/wic/
Some/much of the low Childhood IQ problems
of Poor, Disadvantaged and Ethnic Peoples
were related to Mothers Nutrition during the
Pregnancy and the Child's Nutrition during the
first 5-Years.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WIC
america treat all your children very well
they are your future citizens ~ RHF
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> Go Ahead and Attack Them {The Individuals} for
> Their Personal Crimes and Failures -but- Don't Use
> These Individual Failings To Attack the Entire Religion
> and the Vast Majority of Good Decent People as a
> Group; and Label that Religion as Teaching Child Abuse.
>
> Would you 'note' and individuals Crimes and also
> Blatantly point Out their Race time and time again ?
>
> John A. is a Murder and he is WHITE*
>
> Betty B. is a Killer DUI and she is WHITE*
>
> Clara C. is a Drug Addict and she is WHITE*
>
> Ron D. is a Child Abuser and he is WHITE*
>
> Barry O. is Homosexual and he is WHITE*
>
> * White -or- Black -or- Asian -or- Mexican
>
> Bashing is Bashing - pal ~ RHF
> .
> .
You do it to Moslems and Democrats daily. Why should I act any
differently? Because you say so?
mike
I Likes them Microbes! Good old Mother adapts.
cuhulin, the Microbe
http://www.devilfinder.com
Sturgis,Mississippi Motorcycle Rally
I just now saw Walt Grayson (Looking Around Mississippi) talking about
it on WLBT channel 3 6:00 PM tee vee noos. http://www.WLBT.com
We has ah Sturgis too.
cuhulin
"How did he do those stunts with those tiny little feet?"
Dream on. Microbes are not going to digest 100,000,000 gallons of oil.
- "How did he do those stunts with those tiny little feet?"
Dave you was looking at Chuck Norris's Feet ?
Dave - Beside Smokimg Dope {MJ] and
having Sex with Teenagers . . .
While You is Smoking 'MJ"
you'za like to check-out pee-holes feet
as they say : to each their own ~ RHF
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-ps- don't let the toe-jam . . .
get in between your teeth
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- What about when those microbes get into your seafood
- and eventually 'chow down' on your own gut?
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- Operator Bob
- Echo Charlie 42
There is "That" which is Natural to The Human Body
and 'That' Which Is Not - live and be natural ~ RHF
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Yes - Mother Nature Is . . .
The Mother of Invention ! ! !
- Dream on.
- Microbes are not going to digest
- 100,000,000 gallons of oil.
Dave - Overnight Hell NO ! ! !
But give them a Day . . .
a Week . . .
a Month . . .
a Year . . .
a Decade . . .
a Century . . .
a Millennium . . .
an Age . . .
an Epoch . . .
Time Heals All Wounds . . .
and Mother Nature Has Time a Plenty . . .
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If the talented people merely performed the physical labor in some
useful way rather than working out in gyms, there would be no need for
grunts at all. They need the exercise.
> The WIC Nutrition Program has done more
> to improve Children's Health and Intelligence
> in the last 30-Years then most other initiatives.
> http://www.fns.usda.gov/wic/
> Some/much of the low Childhood IQ problems
> of Poor, Disadvantaged and Ethnic Peoples
> were related to Mothers Nutrition during the
> Pregnancy and the Child's Nutrition during the
> first 5-Years.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WIC
>
> america treat all your children very well
> they are your future citizens ~ RHF
Even somewhat retarded women have the innate maternal instincts to
take good care of kids. And with subsidized fertility clinic services,
would be able to give birth to talented sociable children who would
prove to be a joy and not a burden later on in life.
Any careful look at the robber baron era can uncover the affection the
highly successful had for their non-white nannies, who were very well
taken care of for the rest of their lives.
With in vitro, non-white women could even birth trophy blonde girls, who
will no doubt love their birth mothers- even more than adopted do. And
given the demand by the rich men of this world, of all races, have for
trophy wives, the mothers could assure a comfortable future.
Not that nutrition and eduction are not necessary, but still, that is
not sufficient. There is a rapidly increasing number of DNA markers...
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/06/090605123237.htm
This is related to higher levels of testosterone & adrenalin along with
lower levels of dopamine and seratonin, which at puberty cause problems.
When the Goddess invented sex, She was beside Herself.
> And given the demand by the rich men of this world, of all races,
> have for trophy wives, the mothers could assure a comfortable
> future.
Trophy Wives..the growth industry of 2015? It has possibilities. Sell
the main chassis and then the accessories. Repair shops can also be
set up. Insurance companies could also benefit from policy sales.
These 'Trophies' will invariably run into each other.
Think Automotive industry on a really, really Human scale. "Hey,
Fred..ya seen my 2017 Aleisha?..purrs like a Kitten!"
mike
"...purrs like a Kitaen."
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> mike
>
> Think Automotive industry on a really, really Human scale. "Hey,
> Fred..ya seen my 2017 Aleisha?..purrs like a Kitten!"
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> mike
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