Give us this day our daily wine.
m II
My 'GymyBobism' collection...updated daily:
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We need less morons like another clone of Moron II here.
## My fifteen minutes of FAME! ##
Your car alternator will charge your car batery up to 15.4 volts in
cold weather.
NTSC redefined it slightly off 60Hz so that power supply ripple
will move on the screen (two slightly black bands that scroll
up/down your screen
You sure spent a lot of time trying to convince me you don't knwo what
I am talking about...LOL
Voltage does not indicate state of charge well.
At 11.6 volts a 12v battery is about 50-70% charged still.
Polish solar panels are what americans called "flashlights"
There should be subsidies for solar panels but control of prices to boot.
Propane will disapate and freeze when it evaporates.
Gasoline is not nearly as volatile as hydrogen.
When I use pot I imagine everythging is perfect.
Many people have browsers that economize the download
Just another threading error creating confusion
Learn how to thread or sit back and watch for a few years.
Try to stay on topic and on thread too bean brain.
Perhaps try Outlook Express or another browser that knows how to
thread posts.
Bottom posting was the was in the 70s and 80s before threading
browsers were available cheap like OE
Another Forte Agent person that doesn't understand threading.
You use Mozzilla and haven't learned to thread.
Try Outlook Express so you can understand threading maybe.
I have been noticing many threading errors everywhere on Usenet lately.
People with OE don't seem to have the petty problems with subject
lines changing, intermingled posts and downloading binary files with
mixed posts, random pieces and many other problems all the nonOE
people have.
Bottom posting has been obsoletely by threading browsers.
Forwarding does not include headers.
Call your damn ISP and tell them your browser is multiple posting.
90% of the people in America have never operated a computer.
Let's say youre solar cell was trying to put out
14.3 volts DC and you stuck a 10 ohm meter in series with a charged
13.8 volt DC battery.
Your troll was too obvious. Try to engage the mark in conversation
first so there is, at least, some stake, like friendship for the
person listening. When the friendship is well developed then attack.
Not too obvious at first or you will lose your audience. This will
enhance your troll points.
I think outside opinions are worth much more than sales hype from the
company that made the product.
## Referring to *factory* charging specifications for the batteries
they make ##
This is power grid induction through capacitive proximity
You can get fooled with another ground in the house finding it's way
back to the transformer neutral.
A thought I have is rain water from a roof on a three story home
through a micro-turbine.
Setback thermostats only work efficiently for small differentials,
dependant on the time duration.
Breakers are good for one time usage of one fault and then they need
to be replaced for any warrantied usage.
If the breaker interupts a fault, it should be replaced.No warranty
will honoured after that.
I don't have a link at this time
There are no hydrogen molecules in water and the oxygen in water isn't
flammable either.
Water is inert and contains no energy to be used. Get some basic chemistry
first.
Quite simply put, for some of the boneheads here.
NiCads and NiMh batterries are designed to take a current charge forever.
Oh yeah, I can charge a battery and use it six months later fully
charged. The nicads will be cooked because you keep them on charge,
just in case you need them but when you remember them six months
later they are cooked and won't last 5 minutes in the camera.
It takes a complete idiot to deny they can short out all by
themselves. Three, loose in a bag can short themselves out.
## referring to AA batteries doing the physically impossible ##
Did they have electricity back in 1994?
I have been around so long with this stuff I believe I invented the
diode in 1941 but I am not familiar with the solar panel usage
requirements of them. (no P & N substrate explanations please. I wrote
the GE manual...LOL)
NOTE: do not pass ground wires through metal holes or cable clamps
with two screws on a metal surface.
There is **NOT*** enough energy in a lightning bolt to power your
house for more than an hour...if that. Do the math.
The figures escape me but let's say it puts out a roughly MWatt of
power for 100 nanoseconds?
100 x 10-9 x 1 x 106 / 3600 (sec/hr) = 0.0027 wH
oooops.... Wouldn't light your home for a 1/2 second.
OK..OK.. multiply the figures time 100 or 1000. Now it would light a
100W bulb for 1 second.
The IEEE-232 standards were never followed or known by many.
Fossil fuels are still renewable and being cxreated as we speak.
Children are venerially created.
If you want to discuss this then fine, otherwise go fuck yourself like
your mother did.
Can you let go of my dick before it explodes on ya, goofball?
Petroleum is not related to Natural gas.
I would rather work at my $100/hour job than at chopping wood for
hours to save $3/hour
I have no license, I wire and inspect other's wiring for a job and
work for a medium size electrical utility.
As a design engineer of transformers for 10 years I happen to know you
are full of shit.
I am a Protection & Control Tech by profession and have experience
with control systems
Try spelling "bus" correctly! Maybe your brain will start again.
Probaby not, you fucking loser.
## Referring to the correctly spelled word 'buss' as used in real
electrical terminology ##
## http://tinyurl.com/5ctml ##
X10 signals are transmitted just after the voltage waveform zero
crossing. This is in order to avoid conflicts with SCR and Triac peak
waveform switching spikes from load type devices such as lamp dimmers.
## control module misinformation ##
Besides when they on any line they will pull of the meter as a
disconnect point.
## speaking of power line guys miles away removing YOUR electrical
meter for THEIR safety ##
My workplace has been throwing out huge digitizing pallettes (like 24
x 36" units)
## in alt.sewing.mach-embroider ##
The majority prefers top posting.
Not one of your suggesters listened to what the OP requested...LOL
Get your tear ducts flushed by a knowledgeable optometrist.
Not many materials have the huge exponential resistance/heat curve
aluminum does. Overload doesn't make it glow like copper...it flashes
and explodes.
A bathroom fan motor would never push hot air down ten feet or cold up
ten feet.
Bathroom fans have a hard time pushing 55 cfm through a 3-4" pipe 20
horizontal feet. They are made to vent smells and humid air horizontally
only.
Why not spend the money on a contract with the grid company and get an
exclusive line to your house and never have brownouts.
Usenet rules dictate top posting for readability
Many cell modems are set up to filter bottom posts out.
Cell modems do not cut off anything.
What security flaws.
##referring to Outlook Express##
10 pounds per gallon Imperial. That gallon is totally unique to the
US....ooops..I think all gallons are unique to the US now.
The standard Imperial gallon the whole world used weighs 10 pounds
exactly.
The copper isn't worth more than 5 cents per pound. It is classed a
mixed copper and nobody wants it.
Hey moron! The copper is considered "mixed" copper and is worth about
$0.02 per pound, if he seperates it all.
Just don't ever lose weight. Toxins are stored in your fat cells.
Did you know, **NO***, I repeat ***NO*** death has ever been related
to PCBs?
Insulated square copper wires from a dry transformer are not 99%
copper and take a lot of work to remove the insulation.
I have tonnes of insulated copper wire if you want it. I think you
could almost have for the picking it up. How many bins can you take
per year
50 lbs? We have it by the bin full. Mostly #6 to 650 MCM. I beleive
you would have to leave a bin and then pick it up full later to
compete with the current scrapper.
Can't this tranformer be used by somebody to generate a second 120V
from a single phase 120V inverter? It sounds pretty beefy.
BTW: once you knock the wedge out of the coil form the laminations
will be easier to get out. This keeps them from buzzing until the
varnish and other impregnations go into it.
All you guys have a bad Christmas or Jewish and didn't see Santa or
something?
Run each signal twisted with a ground for noise. RD twisted with gnd
as a pair, TD twisted around ground as a pair etc... This means
signal/logic ground not power ground or case ground, if they are
different. Do not
connect the other ends of the ground conductors.
Tar pitch in a flourescent ballast does ***NOT*** contain PCBs and
probably never did.
Religion is not genetic or even herodigious
I believe the warmest part of the lake is just below the ice. As the
water frezes it rises to the top and joins the other ice formations.
Gel cell won't cut it when it comes to putting out 100A or more. They
cook in one spot and the rest of the electrolyte doesn't circulate
fast enough.
There is nothing standard about USanian measurements. They changed
their sizes to avoid trading with the rest of the world. This worked
for a few centuries but the rest of the world moved on to the metric
system to avert the confusion the US caused.
Ever put your ohmmeter (do I need to explain an ohmmeter also?) across
a capacitor? It measures infinity after charging to the supply voltage
because the electrolyte is an insulator.
Electrolytes are not conductors of electricity in a capacitor.
If the electrolyte conducted it would be a resistor.
I doubt they are 4 farads. More likely 4 microfarads uf.
## referring to 4000mfd caps ##
Sometimes it is an ego boost to have these so-called "professionals"
come and beg for information because they can't our toys do what the
good guys can but I would never hire them given a choice.
Do you measure altitude in degrees? Many aeronautical people would
disagree with you.
## referring to solar azimuth/altitude thread ##
My house is filled with motion detectors. They don't all operate
lights. They mostly signal my house control computer and it decides
what to do and when.
Enlighten please (like it really matters...LOL)
I will hand stitch my embroidery before I would pay that kind of
money...LOL
A 50Hz transformer needs double the iron a 60Hz transformer needs for
the same VA capacity.
Does it test CTs with real current or just voltage?
It doesn't really matter where the secondary current comes from,
secondary exciting or primary current exciting, the voltage developed
or excited across it will be about the same.
## talking about an OPEN circuit CT transformer ##
High voltage spikes want to keep going at the end and this is where
your saturating core transformer core is located behind the fuse.
Moving a kill-a-watt unit around is like using it on somebody else's
house and telling the person's load.
oooops. A flourescent with a filament?
## not knowing how most fluorescents start up ##
You are a stupid basterd.
Ever considered anxiety medication? Chest pains for a man is a classic
symptom.
When confronted with many websites stating the otherwise he won't
address the issue but repeats his crap again like a child stamping his
feet.
## Oh, the Irony! ##
What are you doing up at this ungawdly hour? I just got finished
embroidering about 10 items, including a flight bag for golf clubs.
## in alt.sewing.mach-embroider ##
I just love women with front loading bobbins.
## in alt.sewing.mach-embroider ##
I doubt a 6 needle machine would be faster than a 1 needle machine
unless you do repetitive patterns.
## in alt.sewing.mach-embroider ##
I had many problems with this and damaged my machine a few times. It
was the needles. Find ones that have very little "hip" bump around the
eye of the needle.
## in alt.sewing.mach-embroider ##
I have found doctors absolutely ignorant and totally obstinet on
these kind of issues.
I put my first child on Ritalin for a year or so when quite young. It
beat going to prison for beating him black and blue.
I made a big mistake and should have "drugged" all of my children the
same.
I did the chem.cut medication stuff for a few years with my first
child and then found Naturopathic Doctors using homeopathy to get more
lasting relief.
Homeopathics saved me thousands of dollars for operations I did not
have on my children
Accupunture worked for my 1 and two year old children for ailments
after the medical doctors could do nothing for.
Placebo is a completely natural cure for many ailments.
Polio Vaccine? They stopped giving that one long before HIV was invented.
You have no idea what you are talking about and either does anybody
else here.
See if you can replace it with a thermal acting unit. They have a
rachet on a shaft that holds thew contacts closed.
## confusing motor overload with breaker ##
What are you doing in my group?
Milk is just plain poison for humans.
I am not a chemist but I know that cow's milk calcium molecules are a
huge irritant to human digestion and usually results in calcium
deficiencies
See an accupunturist for the pain and circulation
See a chiropractor to keep the structure good.
See a naturopathic doctor for the chemical imbalance.
See a medical doctor for a some poison that will make her life shorter.
Even an honest Doctor will take yoy they arte totally ignorant of
nutrition.
The medical doctors will play the time game and probably just let him
die after removing half his organs because they may be a problem.
Some things mankind should just not eat too much of and it isn't meat
typically and this may not be consistent for all people.
Do not listen to the stories of addiction. Yes, they are tough to stop
but so is insulin for a diabetic. I have stopped taking mine and it
wasn't that bad but after months of regressing I chose to return like
the other half the population.
Make sure your wrists are well warmed up before putting sudden jerky
movements to them.
Make up your mind before you mouth off like the usual Internet piece
of shit. This is a rough group and if you had followed the usual
recommendations you would have known that and have nothing to say
about it.
## in misc.kids.health, alt.support.breast-implant,
misc.health.alternative ##
Bad practice to ground yourself when working on electronics. It
increases the chance of injury or death by electrical shock and also
increases the chance of static discharge to the circuit chips. Ground
is a potential too.
Oink...Oink...just take it out. What could be simpler?
## in soc.support.fat-acceptance, alt.support.big-folks ##
No hyphen in the word multi-syllabic.
## Gymy Bob's endorsement of anal sex censored##
## sorry, I have my limits ##
A complete fucking idiot spurted out his piehole:
## in misc.health.alternative ##
I was born depressed and never realized until about 3 years ago. I am
52 and went for medication because of anxiety.
The English can't stand each other, let alone other cultures.
If you don't believe me brother just ask the rest of my family that I
disowned.
I find most Americans likeable and they find me likeable after they
open their wallets far enough to make me that way.
How many american dollars will it take to make you suck their dicks?
## in alt.support.attn-deficit, misc.health.alternative ##
How much for a blow job?
Believe me, "America" is so far behind on internet usage over many
South American countries. They just don't happen to post in English
and not many of you could possibly understand other languages even exist.
WTF is CBT? Chekaslovakia Book Therapy?
Try your left hand. It feels like somebody else's hand sometimes.
## pdaxs.services.massage, misc.health.alternative, alt.backrubs,
alt.health.massage-therapy ##
OK, you're not a moron. You are above average for Nova Scotia.
Another tidbit for the brainless twit with the big mouth here
Pehaps magnesium supplementation would allow these buffoons to utilize
some
of their already overloaded calcium intake.
This guy is a total buffoon and has no knowledge of any part of his
own sentence.
Where should you shove it?
Fish oil is mainly responsible for your placebo also.
## in misc.health.alternative##
After disassembling Bill Gates' 6800 Basic back in the 70s I knew he
was a dirty software scoundrel.
The government makes more on the taxes than the tax rate when this is
done.
Be blabest tofart.
## ???? in alt.comp.periphs.dcameras ##
Blood may be kept at a stable 7.4 pH but a piece of copper wire passes
electricity through it even though the number of electrons remains
constant.
## in misc.health.alternative ##
I have had amazing effects from some homeopathic remedies and others
did nothing.
These homeopathic know-it-alls drive me crazy with their 1880 knowledge.
Sorry, but testing has proven homeopathic remedies to be effective
remedies.
I have taken a few homeopathic remedies that taste like crap. Funny
how pure
water could do that.
Homeopathic remedies are very toxic substances and used because of
their toxic properties.
Standard homeopathic science.
Your ignorance of homeopathy does not mean it is useless.
Everybody always follows the screaming, left-wing, maniac, tooting we
are all going to die by doing another therapy.
I have had achilles tendonitus for the past 2-3 years now. I got rid
of it on one side by grinding out the bones spurs underneath with the
side of a screwdriver blade and lots of oil.
GET OFF THE WHEAT, CORN & OATS!!!
It doesn't matter how well it works if the doctor doesn't say so (with
his two years of college) then it just ain't so.
Heat pumps are 300% efficient when the weather is fine but the
compressor motors? hmmm about 60%.
You are obviously a moron and you keep repeating it here.
## referring to my corrections of his postings ##
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mike
cuh...@webtv.net
Peanut Butter.No wonder doggy is too fat.
cuhulin
dave
Priest
> This is the result of years of research on my part.
Why don't you research why Canaduh is determined to destroy Western
culture? Get back to us when you find the answer and not before boy.
Listening to Radio Canada International a few nights ago I was
surprised to learn that China, India and Pakistan lead the list of
immigrants to Canada for the fifth straight year.
"Canada welcomed the highest number of immigrants in more than 50
years by admitting 280,636 permanent residents in 2010. This new
number is about 60,000 higher than the average annual intake of
permanent residents in recent years, according to a statement by
Immigration and Citizenship Canada. Canada has admitted between
240,000 and 265,000 immigrants annually in recent years."
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/news-by-industry/services/tr...
And as always, boycott Canada. At least one dufus lives there, and who
knows how many other dufei are running loose up there.
cuh...@webtv.net
skinny twin sister, (she [[Jeri Emerick
http://www.cowboysnightmare.com
she works offshore for Shell oil company) but I am not fat either.Missy
Sippy the obese State? that is BullShit with a Capital B and a Capital
S!
cuhulin, I yam what I yam and that is all that I yam
YOU research O'Canada! I don't want to.
cuh...@webtv.net
Ridgeland, Northside suburb of Jackson.I saw it on 10:00 PM WJTV 12 tee
vee news a few minutes ago.
cuhulin
cuh...@webtv.net
jack it up.
It gives you the sh!ts too.
1st Call for IMPEACHMENT! by member of congress.(I used a lower cap c on
purpose)
World Net Daily.
Whirrled Nuts Daily.
cuhulin
RHF
Canada : "The Great 'Rainbow' North"© ! ~ RHF
.
.
RHF
- Dangerous Walmarts.
- A Dangerous car ran into the Dangerous Walmart
- in Ridgeland, Northside suburb of Jackson.
- I saw it on 10:00 PM WJTV 12 tee vee news
- a few minutes ago.
- cuhulin
That There Dangerous Car must have been one
of those evil,,, Evil... EVIL SUV's ! ! !
SUV Drivers are Possessed by their Evil SUVs
SUV's are evil,,, Evil... EVIL ! ! !
-little-known-fact- All Wal*Marts Were Designed
By Someone Who Drove an SUV . . .
-or- Was Conceived in an SUV
-or- Was Born in an SUV
It's 'The Curse' of the SUV !
stay-out the 'suv's ! ~ RHF
.
.
bpnjensen
I don't drive them.
D. Peter Maus
Apparently, by the reports, they drive themselves.
cuh...@webtv.net
Walmart store, all it would do is go 'bump' just like those bumper cars
when the Missy State Fair is in town.
That woman who's car ran into that Walmart store in Ridgeland yesterday,
she suffered a seizure/heart attack.She was taken to a hospital, they
said she will be alright.
cuhulin
RHF
- - I don't drive them.
- Apparently, by the reports, they drive themselves.
Yes They Do -cause- They Are Evil & Demon Possessed :
Attacking Trees
Smashing Into Cars
Running Into Fast-Food Stores
Driving At High Speeds
Driving Through Stop Signs & Red Lights
cuh...@webtv.net
http://www.libertypost.org
SHTF.
cuhulin
dxAce
cuh...@webtv.net wrote:
> Breaking: Live ammunition found outside Wisconsin Capitol Building
> http://www.libertypost.org
How far outside? Was it in a State Troopers Belt?
Ya know, I heard something today, briefly, about those damn
Liberal/Democrat/Marxist/Socialist's up in Wisconsin (on the other side of The
Cheddar Curtain), being possibly detained, AND, being brought back to the
Capitol in chains to be present to vote.
dxAce
Michigan
USA
bpnjensen
Yes, but common decency trumps greed...
http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2011/03/02/wsjnbc-poll-strong-support-for-bargaining-rights/
dxAce
bpnjensen wrote:
> On Mar 3, 3:34 pm, dxAce <dx...@milestones.com> wrote:
> > cuhu...@webtv.net wrote:
> > > Breaking: Live ammunition found outside Wisconsin Capitol Building
> > >http://www.libertypost.org
> >
> > How far outside? Was it in a State Troopers Belt?
> >
> > Ya know, I heard something today, briefly, about those damn
> > Liberal/Democrat/Marxist/Socialist's up in Wisconsin (on the other side of The
> > Cheddar Curtain), being possibly detained, AND, being brought back to the
> > Capitol in chains to be present to vote.
> >
> > dxAce
> > Michigan
> > USA
>
> Yes, but common decency trumps greed...
Spare me, Bruce. The only 'greedy' in this case are the public sector unions...
I'll be LMFAO if the Liberal/Democrat/Marxist/Socialist's are indeed brought back in chains.
I hope the revolution succeeds.
dxAce
Michigan
USA
bpnjensen
>
> - Show quoted text -
LOL. You're on the wrong side of everything.
dxAce
bpnjensen wrote:
I'm just guessing, but are you a member of a 'public sector union'?
dxAce
bpnjensen wrote:
'everything'...? Surely your brain-stem is working better than that of Bryant.
dxAce
dxAce wrote:
> bpnjensen wrote:
>
> > On Mar 3, 3:48 pm, dxAce <dx...@milestones.com> wrote:
> > > bpnjensen wrote:
> > > > On Mar 3, 3:34 pm, dxAce <dx...@milestones.com> wrote:
> > > > > cuhu...@webtv.net wrote:
> > > > > > Breaking: Live ammunition found outside Wisconsin Capitol Building
> > > > > >http://www.libertypost.org
> > >
> > > > > How far outside? Was it in a State Troopers Belt?
> > >
> > > > > Ya know, I heard something today, briefly, about those damn
> > > > > Liberal/Democrat/Marxist/Socialist's up in Wisconsin (on the other side of The
> > > > > Cheddar Curtain), being possibly detained, AND, being brought back to the
> > > > > Capitol in chains to be present to vote.
> > > > Yes, but common decency trumps greed...
> > >
> > > Spare me, Bruce. The only 'greedy' in this case are the public sector unions...
> > >
> > > I'll be LMFAO if the Liberal/Democrat/Marxist/Socialist's are indeed brought back in chains.
> > >
> > > I hope the revolution succeeds.
> > LOL. You're on the wrong side of everything.
>
> I'm just guessing, but are you a member of a 'public sector union'?
Embarrassed? Heck, I'm proud to state that I was once a member of the IAM, (a private sector Union).
m II
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>> dxAce
>> Michigan
>> USA- Hide quoted text -
> LOL. You're on the wrong side of everything.
"The exterior of the prophylactic?" would be an obscene observation and
I, for one, would never publicly express such disgusting questions, no
matter what his ex Navy buddies tell me.
mike
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> On 11-03-03 04:59 PM, bpnjensen wrote:
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> >> dxAce
> >> Michigan
> >> USA- Hide quoted text -
>
> > LOL. You're on the wrong side of everything.
>
> "The exterior of the prophylactic?" would be an obscene observation and
> I, for one, would never publicly express such disgusting questions, no
> matter what his ex Navy buddies tell me.
My 'ex-Navy buddies' don't waste their time with dumbass Canucks.
dxAce
Michigan
USA
cuh...@webtv.net
(he retired from the U.S.Navy) about something.As an afterthought, I
will also ask him what he thinks about Canukystan.I have known him since
1954, I do believe I already know what he will say.
cuhulin
m II
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"dxAce" wrote in message news:4D703466...@milestones.com...
> My 'ex-Navy buddies' don't waste their time with dumbass Canucks.
>
> dxAce
> Michigan
> USA
Your "Ex-Navy buddies" sure are quick to squeal like pigs for help from
their dumbass Canuck Navy buddies when they are in a bind like your
government gets them into all the time.
cuh...@webtv.net
cuhulin
cuh...@webtv.net
World Net Daily.
I have some kinfolks who live in Alabama.
I want to see one of those Billboards on I-20 where Highway 18 overpass
crosses over I-20.
WHERE'S THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE?
cuhulin
MNMikew
"bpnjensen" <bpnj...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:ecef1e8a-6719-492f...@a8g2000pri.googlegroups.com...
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There is a reason the Repubs swept the Dems out of ALL offices in Wisc.
cuh...@webtv.net
that way since at least the 1960's.
cuhulin
bpnjensen
> "bpnjensen" <bpnjen...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> - Show quoted text -
It's about to go backwards! :-D
D Peter Maus
I wouldn't count on that.
Joe from Kokomo
On 3/3/2011 7:25 PM, dxAce wrote:
> Embarrassed? Heck, I'm proud to state that I was once a member of the IAM, (a private sector Union).
Workers are workers, public or private sector. So if someone has a
public sector boss, that makes them a
"Liberal/Democrat/Marxist/Socialist" and they have no rights? And you,
being a "proud" member of a private union, are not a
"Liberal/Democrat/Marxist/Socialist" and -do- have rights?
Gee, do you think your neighbors, all those teachers, nurses,
librarians, garbage truck drivers, policemen and firemen that want a
fair shake (JUST like the 'private' union folks do) realize that they
are "Liberal/Democrat/Marxist/Socialists"? How dare those people want
rights.
Why is a private union something to be proud of and being in a public
union, according to you, makes you a
"Liberal/Democrat/Marxist/Socialist"? I would appreciate you explaining
the difference.
Joe from Kokomo
> There is a reason the Repubs swept the Dems out of ALL offices in Wisc.
Yes, the reason was that people were frustrated that Obama didn't fix
the Great Recession in two years -- the same Great Recession that W.
Bush didn't fix in eight years.
And you may yet see some of those Wisconsin Repubs swept out of office
via recall.
bpnjensen
>
> - Show quoted text -
Why? They gonna rig the election?
The people will swallow the cum of the plutocrats just so long before
they will begin to understand they've been had.
cuh...@webtv.net
cuhulin
D. Peter Maus
LOL!
Not necessary.
>
> The people will swallow the cum of the plutocrats just so long before
> they will begin to understand they've been had.
That's always true. And it's always true, Bruce. In fact, it's
why the Dems were swept out of office, in the first place. There's
nothing that says those fortunes can't change, but the truth is,
that the people of Wisconsin are behind the Governor. At least right
now. And the Dems In Exile are fast falling from grace with now
talks about recall elections to remove the Dems from office.
Which, actually, may be unnecessary. If they remain out of the
state long enough, they'll run afoul of existing laws and will lose
their offices, anyway. And that deadline is closing fast. They claim
they're working, while away, and are protected from the desertion
clauses, but that may be sophistry. If they claim they're working,
but are not available (in mass, yet), to vote on pending
legislation, then the law says they're not working. And the people
are in agreement.
But here's the part that's really sticking in the public
craw...The Democrats are remaining out of state to avoid facing a
vote they will most certainly lose. Effectively defeating the intent
of the votes who put the Republicans into office by majority in the
elections. Yet, these Wisconsin Democrats are the ones who said, in
significant numbers, after November of 2008, along with Demcrats
across the nation (including the President,) when asked if they were
going to work with Republicans: Elections have consequences. We won.
And they have the nerve to call Republicans hypocrites.
Now that elections have brought the consequence of a balance of
power to the other side, they refuse to play.
And the public is not sympathetic. To get back to your own
question: Rigging an election is not necessary.
MNMikew
--------------------------------
2012 is really going to suck for you.
MNMikew
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Kind of like you hope and change idiots are doing now.
MNMikew
"Joe from Kokomo" <j...@indy.net> wrote in message
news:ikrahn$18o$3...@news.eternal-september.org...
to be recalled in Wisc. will be Dems.
dave
>
> -----------
> There is a reason the Repubs swept the Dems out of ALL offices in Wisc.
>
>
Outside money?
dave
Jackson, MS is the Bakersfield of the South (wrong side of the mountains
from the cool water)
dave
> Workers are workers, public or private sector. So if someone has a
> public sector boss, that makes them a
> "Liberal/Democrat/Marxist/Socialist" and they have no rights? And you,
> being a "proud" member of a private union, are not a
> "Liberal/Democrat/Marxist/Socialist" and -do- have rights?
>
> Gee, do you think your neighbors, all those teachers, nurses,
> librarians, garbage truck drivers, policemen and firemen that want a
> fair shake (JUST like the 'private' union folks do) realize that they
> are "Liberal/Democrat/Marxist/Socialists"? How dare those people want
> rights.
>
> Why is a private union something to be proud of and being in a public
> union, according to you, makes you a
> "Liberal/Democrat/Marxist/Socialist"? I would appreciate you explaining
> the difference.
>
>
Since the government is run by corporations there is no such thing as
private sector/public sector; just "us" and "them".
Kevin Alfred Strom
>
> Why? They gonna rig the election?
>
> The people will swallow the cum of the plutocrats just so long before
> they will begin to understand they've been had.
> ----------------------------------
> Kind of like you hope and change idiots are doing now.
>
>
Both parties are controlled by financiers and Zionists.
With all good wishes,
Kevin Alfred Strom.
--
http://nationalvanguard.org/
http://kevinalfredstrom.com/
dave
> You betcher ass those 'elections' are Rigged!
> cuhulin
>
They can only rig them a little. You have to have a "rig proof" majority
to win.
dave
> On 3/4/11 12:24 , bpnjensen wrote:
>
>>
>> The people will swallow the cum of the plutocrats just so long before
>> they will begin to understand they've been had.
>
> That's always true. And it's always true, Bruce. In fact, it's why the
> Dems were swept out of office, in the first place. There's nothing that
> says those fortunes can't change, but the truth is, that the people of
> Wisconsin are behind the Governor.
You must get your news from the TV or WLS. 6 out of 10 Wisconsinites do
not support the governor. 7 out of 10 Americans support organized labor.
The Republicans are on another stupid right-wing power trip. They always
over-reach. Without fail. The People are awake.
dave
> ----------------------------------
> Kind of like you hope and change idiots are doing now.
>
>
Obama's on your side.
cuh...@webtv.net
1998.William Hurt, Mimi Rogers, Heather Graham.Villains complicate a
family's 2058 spaceship journey to a distant habitable planet.Based on
the 1960's television series.
Mimi Rogers and Heather Graham can 'complicate' me any day.
cuhulin
...................................................
She's complicated,,,,,, gave me a mule to rideeeeeeee,,,,,,,,,,
...................................................
MNMikew
"dave" <da...@dave.dave> wrote in message
news:4d714135$0$5696$bd46...@news.dslextreme.com...
Hang Bradley Manning!
MNMikew
"dave" <da...@dave.dave> wrote in message
No, unions give exclusively to the Dems.
cuh...@webtv.net
(devilfinder.com it) can go places your snazzy cars can't go.
Arra, my 1948 Willys (devilfinder.com it) Four Wheel Drive Jeep (Flat
Fenders Forever!) [Flaps UP!] [Go-Devil Engine] can go places your
snazzy cars can't go.
Arra, my Four Legged Drive Dish Washer Blue Heeler Australian Cattle Dog
http://www.cattledog.com http://www.acdca.org
can go places your snazzy cars can't go.
I, myself, can't hardly go nowhar.
cuhulin
dave
For what? Embarrassing Hillary?
dave
You live in the bubble!
Joe from Kokomo
>> On 03/04/2011 07:27 AM, MNMikew wrote:
>>> There is a reason the Repubs swept the Dems out of ALL offices in Wisc.
"dave"<da...@dave.dave> wrote:
>> Outside money?
On 3/4/2011 6:02 PM, MNMikew wrote:
> No, unions give exclusively to the Dems.
Um, you seem to be overlooking something quite obvious. There -is- other
"outside money" than from the unions, you know.
Have you forgotten that the Supreme Court ruled that Big Business can
give an infinite amount money to political parties and candidates. And
that Big Business has waaay deeper pockets than the unions could ever
hope to have. That Big Business money might go a long way towards
explaining why "the Repubs swept the Dems out of ALL offices in Wisc".
Oh. What's that you say? You -did- overlook that fact.
Joe from Kokomo
> That's always true. And it's always true, Bruce. In fact, it's why the
> Dems were swept out of office, in the first place.
Hmmm, you don't think that all the money the Supreme Court said Big
Business could throw into the political pot had anything to do with it?
> There's nothing that
> says those fortunes can't change, but the truth is, that the people of
> Wisconsin are behind the Governor.
Well, that theory of yours would not explain why the NBC / Wall Street
Journal poll showed that 77% of the people think public unions SHOULD be
allowed to have collective bargaining.
> At least right now. And the Dems In
> Exile are fast falling from grace with now talks about recall elections
> to remove the Dems from office.
To say nothing of all the talk to recall the Republican governor from
office.
> Which, actually, may be unnecessary. If they remain out of the state
> long enough, they'll run afoul of existing laws and will lose their
> offices, anyway. And that deadline is closing fast. They claim they're
> working, while away, and are protected from the desertion clauses, but
> that may be sophistry. If they claim they're working, but are not
> available (in mass, yet), to vote on pending legislation, then the law
> says they're not working. And the people are in agreement.
>
> But here's the part that's really sticking in the public craw...The
> Democrats are remaining out of state to avoid facing a vote they will
> most certainly lose.
They may well lose, but they are trying to stick up for the middle
class. Let me give you an analogy: What about all the farmers that had
to paint their barn or plow the back 40? When George Washington came to
raise an army, it was a good thing for all of us that the back 40 took a
back seat.
As you seem to be on the side of Governor Walker, let me present you
with some facts and ask you a question…
*Apparently, you see no problem with teachers, nurses, librarians,
policemen and firemen losing their rights. Do you think they are just
supposed to blindly accept longer hours, possibly lower wages, larger
class sizes, whatever management can get away with? Basically, "My way
or the highway". Somehow, I don't think -you- would tolerate that.
*What about Walker trying to *ram rod* through in record time this bill
that also has a NO-BID clause for the state’s power plants. This should
be patently illegal for either party. “No-bid” is just an invitation for
corruption.
*Even though the “David Koch” was a fake, the point is that Walker
–believed- he was real. Legitimate people with legitimate government
business cannot get through to the governor on the first call and get 20
minutes of his uninterrupted time like "Koch" did. This would seem to
indicate that Walker thinks the Koch brothers are his true bosses.
*In this same bill, Walker is removing the salary income price cap on
vouchers for private schools. This would allow children of the wealthy
to attend private schools at tax payer's expense. Maybe you think this
is OK. Oh, I forgot. It seems this is consistent with the Republican
Standard Operating Procedure of taking away from the middle class and
poor and giving it to the wealthy. (Ask Lare about his Republican
Michigan governor giving Big Business two billion dollars and taking it
away from school children and the elderly pensioners -- and then having
the gall to call it "shared" sacrifice).
I know you are strongly Republican and apparently a big Walker
supporter, but how can you tolerate the unethical, sleazy facts above
that Walker is trying to pull?
cuh...@webtv.net
that for SUVs.Three axels all wheel drive, shove that lever (the other
lever was was for slappin it in all wheels three axels drive) down for
Granmaw Gear.Looka here, in the Monsoon season, trucks would be almost
floatin on that mud on their bellies and still keep on going! just like
Toyotas.
2 1/2 Ton Army Trucks (SUVs) RULE!
I still have my old Army Drivers License, a day or two later, Seargent
Bates handed me a Vietnam Drivers License.I still have it too.
cuhulin, the 2 1/2 Ton Army Truck
RHF
JfK,
All City and State Workers should have the Same
{Equal} Rights as Prez "BO" {Obama} Gives US
Federal Government Employees [.]
-and- Nothing More -aka- The Basic Right To Have A
Union and Organizes To Redress Their Grievances :
NOT Pay !
NOT Benefits !
NOT Seniority !
NOT Hours of Work !
NOT Working Conditions !
Just Simply to have a 'Union'. {and Pay Dues}
Just Simply to Address Their Grievances.
.
Truth Be Told Prez "BO" {Obama} Is Anti-Union
and His Actions Prove It ! : Time and Time Again !
.
Truth Be Told Nancy Pelosi [D-CA] Is Anti-Union
and Her Actions Prove It !
.
Truth Be Told Harry Reid [D-NV] Is Anti-Union
and His Actions Prove It !
.
THE TRUE FRIEND OF WORKING PEOPLE :
Conservatives and Republicans Workering With Both
Employers and Unions For Sustainable Long Term
Employment and Life Long Retirement Benefits :
-liberal-lies-and-democrat-deceptions-or-the-truth-
-again- Truth Be Told Prez "BO" {Obama} Is
Anti-Union and His Actions Prove It !
* Both Parties Must Work Together To Survive
* Both Parties Must Pay Equally To Survive
-fact-is- Both Parties Are One Party
america : united we stand ~ RHF
.
.
RHF
> On 03/04/2011 10:20 AM, Joe from Kokomo wrote:
>
>
>
> > Workers are workers, public or private sector. So if someone has a
> > public sector boss, that makes them a
> > "Liberal/Democrat/Marxist/Socialist" and they have no rights? And you,
> > being a "proud" member of a private union, are not a
> > "Liberal/Democrat/Marxist/Socialist" and -do- have rights?
>
> > Gee, do you think your neighbors, all those teachers, nurses,
> > librarians, garbage truck drivers, policemen and firemen that want a
> > fair shake (JUST like the 'private' union folks do) realize that they
> > are "Liberal/Democrat/Marxist/Socialists"? How dare those people want
> > rights.
>
> > Why is a private union something to be proud of and being in a public
> > union, according to you, makes you a
> > "Liberal/Democrat/Marxist/Socialist"? I would appreciate you explaining
> > the difference.
>
- is no such thing as private sector/public sector;
- just "us" and "them".
And 'Special-Dave' You Are THEM* !
.
* The 'Us' and "Them" Class Warfare Crowd**
** Liberals & Democrats Who Preach Class Warfare
Rich -versus- Poor : Us -versus- Them
.
.
m II
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> Arra, my Four Legged Drive Dish Washer Blue Heeler Australian Cattle Dog
> http://www.cattledog.com http://www.acdca.org
> can go places your snazzy cars can't go.
Very true, but would you really like to see a Chevy sniffing the exhaust
pipe of the car in front of it?
mike
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Rigging can also involve the pre-selection of the candidates made
available for you to choose from.
mike
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cuh...@webtv.net
Hot.
Gas and Diesel RULES! Electric and Hybrids just don't 'cut it'.And they
probally never will.
cuhulin
RHF
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> On 11-03-04 12:40 PM, dave wrote:
>
> >> You betcher ass those 'elections' are Rigged!
> >> cuhulin
- - They can only rig them a little.
- - You have to have a "rig proof" majority to win.
- Rigging can also involve the pre-selection of the
- candidates made available for you to choose from.
HEY ! : That's the 'Definition' of a "Party System".
RHF
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> > Arra, my Four Legged Drive Dish Washer Blue Heeler Australian Cattle Dog
> >http://www.cattledog.com http://www.acdca.org
> > can go places your snazzy cars can't go.
- Very true, but would you really like to see a Chevy
- sniffing the exhaust pipe of the car in front of it?
-
- mike
Mike : One can only attempt to 'imagine' :
What You Really Do "Imagine" ! ~ RHF
.
.
dxAce
Damn, you Liberal/Democrat/Marxist/Socialists sure are stupid.
Your 'system' has been proven not to work time and time again, yet you
continue to return to the same poisoned well.
You are clearly mentally ill.
Kevin Alfred Strom
[...]
> On 11-03-04 12:40 PM, dave wrote:
>> On 03/04/2011 10:48 AM, cuh...@webtv.net wrote:
>>> You betcher ass those 'elections' are Rigged!
>>> cuhulin
>>>
>>
>> They can only rig them a little. You have to have a "rig proof" majority
>> to win.
>
> Rigging can also involve the pre-selection of the candidates made
> available for you to choose from.
>
>
> mike
Exactly. We get a choice of Smiling Liar Number One and Smiling Liar
Number Two, and both are carefully vetted by the money-men before we
ever hear of them.
On the rare occasions when a candidate not desired by the Jewish
power structure makes it through that gauntlet, the media (both
"conservative" and "liberal") will scream to high heaven at the
"evil" of the genuine candidate, and he or she will get the same
treatment that Charlie Sheen and James Traficant and David Duke and
Rick Sanchez and Cynthia McKinney got: they will spy on him, haunt
him day and night looking for anything that looks bad, ply all his
exes with money for "dirt," and send in sex operatives to destroy
him if necessary.
When anyone gets that kind of treatment from the establishment and
the media, it is logical to conclude that there is _something_ good,
genuine, and honorable about him or her.
With every good wish,
D Peter Maus
> On 3/4/2011 2:01 PM, D. Peter Maus wrote:
>
>> There's nothing that
>> says those fortunes can't change, but the truth is, that the people of
>> Wisconsin are behind the Governor.
>
> Well, that theory of yours would not explain why the NBC / Wall Street
> Journal poll showed that 77% of the people think public unions SHOULD be
> allowed to have collective bargaining.
Interesting what you eliminate, when you quote these surveys. 77% of
the peeople believe public sector unions should have collective
bargaining privileges (it's a privilege, not a right), but that same
survey revealed that 60%+ believe that there should not be public sector
unions in the first place, and that 3:1 they believe that the budget
must be balanced and that public sector union benefits are to blame for
a lion's share of the shortfall.
So, again, the people are behind the Governor.
>
>> At least right now. And the Dems In
>> Exile are fast falling from grace with now talks about recall elections
>> to remove the Dems from office.
>
> To say nothing of all the talk to recall the Republican governor from
> office.
Interesting also what the skew is on that. But keep swinging, Joe.
>
>> Which, actually, may be unnecessary. If they remain out of the state
>> long enough, they'll run afoul of existing laws and will lose their
>> offices, anyway. And that deadline is closing fast. They claim they're
>> working, while away, and are protected from the desertion clauses, but
>> that may be sophistry. If they claim they're working, but are not
>> available (in mass, yet), to vote on pending legislation, then the law
>> says they're not working. And the people are in agreement.
>>
>> But here's the part that's really sticking in the public craw...The
>> Democrats are remaining out of state to avoid facing a vote they will
>> most certainly lose.
>
> They may well lose, but they are trying to stick up for the middle
> class.
No, they're not. They're trying to stick up for political contributors.
>
> As you seem to be on the side of Governor Walker, let me present you
> with some facts and ask you a question…
>
> *Apparently, you see no problem with teachers, nurses, librarians,
> policemen and firemen losing their rights.
No one is losing any rights. Only a privilege that even George Meaney
of the AFL-CIO said they had no business getting in the first place. and
he said that decades ago.
> *What about Walker trying to *ram rod* through in record time this bill
> that also has a NO-BID clause for the state’s power plants. This should
> be patently illegal for either party. “No-bid” is just an invitation for
> corruption.
>
> *Even though the “David Koch” was a fake, the point is that Walker
> –believed- he was real. Legitimate people with legitimate government
> business cannot get through to the governor on the first call and get 20
> minutes of his uninterrupted time like "Koch" did.
Really?
I did.
> This would seem to
> indicate that Walker thinks the Koch brothers are his true bosses.
Sophistry. I heard the playback of the call. He sounded like he was
massaging a contributor. No different than NPR taking calls from
patrons, making promises on programming they have no intention of
keeping, and then ignoring that programming once the checks clear.
>
> *In this same bill, Walker is removing the salary income price cap on
> vouchers for private schools. This would allow children of the wealthy
> to attend private schools at tax payer's expense.
No, it would allow citizens to send their children to private school
without having to pay for the public schools at the same time. No one
should have to pay the costs of a system that they're currently paying
exorbitant rates not to use.
Regardless of income.
Let the public schools compete for their tuition, just like the
private schools. If they're not doing the job, they don't deserve the
support, anyway.
dxAce
Kevin Alfred Strom wrote:
Logic would dictate that one would not plead guilty to a crime that one did not
commit.
Therefore, you, Kevin, are a dumbass 'tard boy who should not have been allowed
to procreate as you are obviously one of the genetically defective peoples that
you like to rant about.
dave
> And 'Special-Dave' You Are THEM* !
> .
> * The 'Us' and "Them" Class Warfare Crowd**
> ** Liberals& Democrats Who Preach Class Warfare
> Rich -versus- Poor : Us -versus- Them
> .
> .
Time for "preaching" is over. Glenn Beck is right. All the downtrodden
are banding together and rising against The Monster.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sk3sURDS4IA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3L1uZ3Chtg&feature=related
[song Monster by Steppenwolf]
dave
They are selling as fast as they can make them aren't they?
dxAce
dave wrote:
Why are you so bitter, 'tard boy?
m II
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On 11-03-05 06:55 AM, D Peter Maus wrote:
> Regardless of income.
>
> Let the public schools compete for their tuition, just like the
> private schools. If they're not doing the job, they don't deserve the
> support, anyway.
The possible converse, and rather likely outcome of that will be the
taxpayer having to bid on the auction of available tuitions. The death
of publicly funded education would be another step closer. I can see the
public education system resembling the rust belt at worst and privatized
jails at best.
I'm now wondering how many of the mob at a book burning have a secondary
education. How many Baptists at a snake charming ceremony have a high
school diploma? How many of the pervert Mormon's thirty wives have
completed grade nine? How many ex-navy guys in Holland MI. finished
grade four?
It's a slippery slope.
mike
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> On 11-03-05 06:55 AM, D Peter Maus wrote:
>
> > Regardless of income.
> >
> > Let the public schools compete for their tuition, just like the
> > private schools. If they're not doing the job, they don't deserve the
> > support, anyway.
>
> The possible converse, and rather likely outcome of that will be the
> taxpayer having to bid on the auction of available tuitions. The death
> of publicly funded education would be another step closer. I can see the
> public education system resembling the rust belt at worst and privatized
> jails at best.
>
> I'm now wondering how many of the mob at a book burning have a secondary
> education. How many Baptists at a snake charming ceremony have a high
> school diploma? How many of the pervert Mormon's thirty wives have
> completed grade nine? How many ex-navy guys in Holland MI. finished
> grade four?
I passed! The problem is you dumbass Canucks who never finished grade three
:-)
dxAce
Kevin Alfred Strom wrote:
I'm curious, Kevin. Are you on some sort of tether, and are you required to
report your whereabouts on a regular basis?
cuh...@webtv.net
Consumers Report thread about Volt and Leaf.
I am Glad those Leafs are not made at the Nissan factory I-55 Gluckstadt
exit about fifteen - twenty miles North of doggy's couch.
Doggy said she don't want nuttin to do with those Queer cars!
http://www.southernautocorridor.com
cuhulin
m II
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m II wrote:
Grade three in our universities.
I keep forgetting y'all don't have no universities in the hills thar
and yur hay tech stuff is all imported Canuckis. But they is jus' watchin'
mike
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dxAce
D Peter Maus wrote:
> On 3/4/11 19:28 , Joe from Kokomo wrote:
> > On 3/4/2011 2:01 PM, D. Peter Maus wrote:
> >
>
> >> There's nothing that
> >> says those fortunes can't change, but the truth is, that the people of
> >> Wisconsin are behind the Governor.
> >
> > Well, that theory of yours would not explain why the NBC / Wall Street
> > Journal poll showed that 77% of the people think public unions SHOULD be
> > allowed to have collective bargaining.
>
> Interesting what you eliminate, when you quote these surveys. 77% of
> the peeople believe public sector unions should have collective
> bargaining privileges (it's a privilege, not a right), but that same
> survey revealed that 60%+ believe that there should not be public sector
> unions in the first place, and that 3:1 they believe that the budget
> must be balanced and that public sector union benefits are to blame for
> a lion's share of the shortfall.
>
> So, again, the people are behind the Governor.
>
> >
> >> At least right now. And the Dems In
> >> Exile are fast falling from grace with now talks about recall elections
> >> to remove the Dems from office.
> >
> > To say nothing of all the talk to recall the Republican governor from
> > office.
>
> Interesting also what the skew is on that. But keep swinging, Joe.
I think Joe is striking out!
cuh...@webtv.net
On Raggggggggland Road, of an Autum Dayyyyyyy,,,,,, I kissed her and I
Knewwwwww,,,,,,,, her auburn hairr would weave a snare that I might
someday ruuuuuue,,,,,,,,,,, the queen of hearrts was making
Tarts,,,,,,,,
cuhulin
Joe from Kokomo
> Damn, you Liberal/Democrat/Marxist/Socialists sure are stupid.
> You are clearly mentally ill.
Good old Lare...steady as a rock. You can always, Always, ALWAYS count
on him to tap-dance around the issues and resort to his old standby of
name calling.
C'mon Lare, tell us your thoughts on your new Republican governor TAKING
money out of YOUR pocket and GIVING it as a gift to Big Business...and
then having the bare faced gall to call it *shared* sacrifice.
I know it will be tough for you to refrain from name calling and
tap-dancing around the issue (old habits die hard), but maybe you can do
it!
dxAce
Joe from Kokomo wrote:
You're confused. But then, being a mentally ill
Liberal/Democrat/Marxist/Socialist, you know all about confusion.
Get back to me when you get the facts straight.
Joe from Kokomo
> On 3/4/11 19:28 , Joe from Kokomo wrote:
>> On 3/4/2011 2:01 PM, D. Peter Maus wrote:
>>
>
>>> There's nothing that
>>> says those fortunes can't change, but the truth is, that the people of
>>> Wisconsin are behind the Governor.
>>
>> Well, that theory of yours would not explain why the NBC / Wall Street
>> Journal poll showed that 77% of the people think public unions SHOULD be
>> allowed to have collective bargaining.
>
> Interesting what you eliminate, when you quote these surveys. 77% of the
> peeople believe public sector unions should have collective bargaining
> privileges (it's a privilege, not a right), but that same survey
> revealed that 60%+ believe that there should not be public sector unions
> in the first place, and that 3:1 they believe that the budget must be
> balanced and that public sector union benefits are to blame for a lion's
> share of the shortfall.
Yes, blame the middle class, not Big Business or Wall Street. C'mon
now...the average salary of all state workers is ~$47,600. That hardly
seems like the "lion's share of the shortfall". (and yes, they may have
a decent pension, but they are trading off a lower salary now for a
better pension in the future). Keep on demonizing those evil public
employees or as Christie, the NJ guv calls all those nurses and garbage
truck drivers, the "elite".
> So, again, the people are behind the Governor.
Sort of a vague statement. Many may be behind him, but many aren't.
>>> At least right now. And the Dems In
>>> Exile are fast falling from grace with now talks about recall elections
>>> to remove the Dems from office.
>>
>> To say nothing of all the talk to recall the Republican governor from
>> office.
>
> Interesting also what the skew is on that. But keep swinging, Joe.
Huh? I truly miss your point on "skew" and "keep swinging(?)". The
people that are not behind Walker are boiling mad. Thus a Repub recall
is certainly a legitimate concern and well within the realm of
possibility. So, your point is?
>>> Which, actually, may be unnecessary. If they remain out of the state
>>> long enough, they'll run afoul of existing laws and will lose their
>>> offices, anyway. And that deadline is closing fast. They claim they're
>>> working, while away, and are protected from the desertion clauses, but
>>> that may be sophistry. If they claim they're working, but are not
>>> available (in mass, yet), to vote on pending legislation, then the law
>>> says they're not working. And the people are in agreement.
>>>
>>> But here's the part that's really sticking in the public craw...The
>>> Democrats are remaining out of state to avoid facing a vote they will
>>> most certainly lose.
>>
>> They may well lose, but they are trying to stick up for the middle
>> class.
> No, they're not. They're trying to stick up for political contributors.
Well, that's a dodge on your part. Not like Walker isn't sticking up for
the Koch brothers?
>> As you seem to be on the side of Governor Walker, let me present you
>> with some facts and ask you a question…
>>
>> *Apparently, you see no problem with teachers, nurses, librarians,
>> policemen and firemen losing their rights.
>
>
> No one is losing any rights. Only a privilege that even George Meaney of
> the AFL-CIO said they had no business getting in the first place. and he
> said that decades ago.
I can't verify that -- and I find it hard to believe a union leader
would say workers of any stripe should not have collective bargaining.
However, in Wisconsin the workers -have- had that "privilege" for
decades...and they may be losing that. And you are splitting hairs and
playing a little semantics here, with the "rights" vs "privilege".
Bottom line, if this goes through, they will indeed be in a "My way or
the highway" situation, a position most of us would not prefer to be in.
>> *What about Walker trying to *ram rod* through in record time this bill
>> that also has a NO-BID clause for the state’s power plants. This should
>> be patently illegal for either party. “No-bid” is just an invitation for
>> corruption.
>>
>> *Even though the “David Koch” was a fake, the point is that Walker
>> –believed- he was real. Legitimate people with legitimate government
>> business cannot get through to the governor on the first call and get 20
>> minutes of his uninterrupted time like "Koch" did.
> Really?
>
> I did.
You did what? Got to talk to the Governor of Wisconsin? For 20 minutes?
On the first call? And you're not even a full-time resident of
Wisconsin? I'm not disputing you, but that -does- stretch credulity.
>> This would seem to
>> indicate that Walker thinks the Koch brothers are his true bosses.
> Sophistry. I heard the playback of the call. He sounded like he was
> massaging a contributor.
Too bad he couldn't devote the same effort to actually sit down with the
unions and discuss the issue -- rather than reject out of hand the
unions offer of economic concessions and spend time kissing the ass of
his Koch brothers masters.
> No different than NPR taking calls from
> patrons, making promises on programming they have no intention of
> keeping, and then ignoring that programming once the checks clear.
This is really another entirely different debate. I don't know NPR
policies as well as you seem to think you do. You are laying some pretty
serious charges. Finally, what you say makes no sense -- as it would
seem that NPR could could only pull that stunt once, before the word of
it spread like wildfire. Again, I'm not disputing you, but you -are-
stretching credulity.
>> *In this same bill, Walker is removing the salary income price cap on
>> vouchers for private schools. This would allow children of the wealthy
>> to attend private schools at tax payer's expense.
>
> No, it would allow citizens to send their children to private school
> without having to pay for the public schools at the same time. No one
> should have to pay the costs of a system that they're currently paying
> exorbitant rates not to use.
>
> Regardless of income.
>
> Let the public schools compete for their tuition, just like the private
> schools. If they're not doing the job, they don't deserve the support,
> anyway.
Hmmm, why was there a salary cap in the first place, if not to keep the
rich from abusing the system. And just exactly how do you propose that
the middle class and the poor "compete" to get into those private schools?
Let me close with a few more examples of Walker's sleaze...
1) If, as you said in your opening statement above that "public sector
union benefits are to blame for a lion's share of the shortfall", why
would the police and fire unions get a free pass and be exempt? I know,
just purely a coincidence that the police/fire unions got a free pass
because they originally supported Walker. Coincidence?...yeah, right.
Sleaze.
2) Don't forget the Milwaukee scandal. When Walker was a Milwaukee
County executive, he fired all the union county security guards and
replaced them with private guards from Wackenhut, a BRITISH company (so
much for the Repubs being concerned about "jobs, jobs, jobs"). Later,
the courts ruled that he illegally fired the original guards, who the
county had to hire back, WITH back pay. Walker's union busting folly
cost the county $500,000. Hmmm, maybe Walker is a part of the budget
shortfall. Sleaze.
3) The Federal government was going to pay for a high speed rail between
Milwaukee and Madison. Walker turned it down cold. Please understand
that this project was NOT like Alaska's "Bridge to Nowhere"; Milwaukee
is Wisconsin's biggest city and Madison is the state capitol and has a
very large university. The route would have gotten plenty of traffic and
created many, many jobs. But for some kind of hare-brained tea-bagger
reason, Walker killed the whole thing. And how ironic -- the Republicans
said their main goal was "Jobs, jobs, jobs". Yet more sleaze and more
broken promises about jobs.
Bottom line: You appear to be a rabid Republican (with tea-bagger
leanings) supporter of Walker, apparently no matter what he does, no
matter how unethical he is. I believe Walker is a sleaze bag that is
selling the people of Wisconsin down the river on many fronts. Neither
of us is going to convince either of us otherwise. Please feel free to
have the last word.
dxAce
Joe from Kokomo wrote:
You clown 'tard Liberal/Democrat/Marxist/Socialists stretch credulity on a
daily basis.
Joe from Kokomo
> Joe from Kokomo wrote:
>
>> On 3/5/2011 7:58 AM, dxAce wrote:
>>
>>> Damn, you Liberal/Democrat/Marxist/Socialists sure are stupid.
>>
>>> You are clearly mentally ill.
>>
>> Good old Lare...steady as a rock. You can always, Always, ALWAYS count
>> on him to tap-dance around the issues and resort to his old standby of
>> name calling.
>>
>> C'mon Lare, tell us your thoughts on your new Republican governor TAKING
>> money out of YOUR pocket and GIVING it as a gift to Big Business...and
>> then having the bare faced gall to call it *shared* sacrifice.
>>
>> I know it will be tough for you to refrain from name calling and
>> tap-dancing around the issue (old habits die hard), but maybe you can do
>> it!
On 3/5/2011 2:47 PM, dxAce wrote:
> You're confused. But then, being a mentally ill
> Liberal/Democrat/Marxist/Socialist, you know all about confusion.
>
> Get back to me when you get the facts straight.
Yet ANOTHER dodge and tap dance. Keep it up and people will start to
think you don't have the brains or the balls to give a straightforward
answer. Oh, sorry...most of them think that already.
dxAce
Joe from Kokomo wrote:
Ah, another post from a clown 'tard who can't get his facts straight.
cuh...@webtv.net
We will probally be going to those Shores again pretty soon.
cuhulin
Brenda Ann
"Joe from Kokomo" wrote in message
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C'mon Lare, tell us your thoughts on your new Republican governor TAKING
money out of YOUR pocket and GIVING it as a gift to Big Business...and
then having the bare faced gall to call it *shared* sacrifice.
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I believe you are indeed confused on this issue. Steve lives in Michigan.
The governor I believe you are referring to is the governor of Wisconsin.
A lot of people seem to get confused between these two states. An easy way
to remember them is: Wisconsin = cheeseheads. Michigan = (fewer and fewer)
automobiles.
dxAce
Brenda Ann wrote:
Yes, and a lot of Stratocaster masters.
Kevin Alfred Strom
[...]
>
> A lot of people seem to get confused between these two states. An
> easy way to remember them is: Wisconsin = cheeseheads. Michigan =
> (fewer and fewer) automobiles.
Yes... and never forget the motto of Detroit:
Where they make cars during the day -- and steel at night.
(You might have to say it out loud to get it.)
With every good wish,
Kevin, WB4AIO.
RHF
Truth Be Told Prez "BO" {Obama} Is Anti-Union
and His Actions Prove It ! : Time and Time Again !
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/6966c3b7d2c24c94
.
All City and State Workers should have the Same
{Equal} Rights as Prez "BO" {Obama} Gives US
Federal Government Employees [.]
-and- Nothing More -aka- The Basic Right To Have A
Union and Organizes To Redress Their Grievances :
NOT Pay !
NOT Benefits !
NOT Seniority !
NOT Hours of Work !
NOT Working Conditions !
Just Simply to have a 'Union'. {and Pay Dues}
Just Simply to Address Their Grievances.
*IF* It's Good Enough For Federal Employees :
It's Good Enough For City/State Employees Too !
Equality For All Workers *NOT* Special Privileges
and Benefits For City, County and State Employees.
.
.
.
.
.
RHF
> On 03/04/2011 10:10 PM, cuhu...@webtv.net wrote:
>
> > Those Volts (Stupid name for a car) and those Leafs aren't selling so
> > Hot.
>
- - just don't 'cut it'.And they probally never will.
- - cuhulin
- They are selling as fast as they can make them aren't they?
Take Away All The Government Subsidies
and them see how Fast They Sell =rotfl=
.
RHF
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> On 11-03-05 06:55 AM, D Peter Maus wrote:
>
> > Regardless of income.
>
> > Let the public schools compete for their tuition, just like the
> > private schools. If they're not doing the job, they don't deserve the
> > support, anyway.
>
> The possible converse, and rather likely outcome of that will be the
> taxpayer having to bid on the auction of available tuitions. The death
> of publicly funded education would be another step closer. I can see the
> public education system resembling the rust belt at worst and privatized
> jails at best.
>
> I'm now wondering how many of the mob at a book burning have a secondary
> education. How many Baptists at a snake charming ceremony have a high
> school diploma? How many of the pervert Mormon's thirty wives have
> completed grade nine? How many ex-navy guys in Holland MI. finished
> grade four?
>
> It's a slippery slope.
>
> mike
Ah That's The Mike [M II] We Know
Preaching Hate For All From Canada
Mouthing Off His Biases For All From Canada
Ranting Bigotry For All From Canada
Mike [M II] : "The Voice of Canada" Spews Again ! ~ RHF
.
.
RHF
>
> >> *Apparently, you see no problem with teachers, nurses, librarians,
> >> policemen and firemen losing their rights.
>
> > No one is losing any rights. Only a privilege that even George Meaney of
> > the AFL-CIO said they had no business getting in the first place. and he
> > said that decades ago.
>
> I can't verify that -- and I find it hard to believe a union leader
> would say workers of any stripe should not have collective bargaining.
> However, in Wisconsin the workers -have- had that "privilege" for
> decades...and they may be losing that. And you are splitting hairs and
> playing a little semantics here, with the "rights" vs "privilege".
> Bottom line, if this goes through, they will indeed be in a "My way or
> the highway" situation, a position most of us would not prefer to be in.
>
> >> *What about Walker trying to *ram rod* through in record time this bill
> >> be patently illegal for either party. �No-bid� is just an invitation for
> >> corruption.
>
> >> *Even though the �David Koch� was a fake, the point is that Walker
> >> �believed- he was real. Legitimate people with legitimate government
nah,,, Nah... NAH ! ! ! Joe from Kokomo . . .
.
Truth Be Told Prez "BO" {Obama} Is Anti-Union
and His Actions Prove It ! : Time and Time Again !
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/6966c3b7d2c24c94
.
All City and State Workers should have the Same
{Equal} Rights as Prez "BO" {Obama} Gives US
Federal Government Employees [.]
-and- Nothing More -aka- The Basic Right To Have A
Union and Organizes To Redress Their Grievances :
NOT Pay !
NOT Benefits !
NOT Seniority !
NOT Hours of Work !
NOT Working Conditions !
Just Simply to have a 'Union'. {and Pay Dues}
Just Simply to Address Their Grievances.
*IF* It's Good Enough For Federal Employees :
It's Good Enough For City/State Employees Too !
Equality For All Workers *NOT* Special Privileges
and Benefits For City, County and State Employees.
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/eca3c4ab65846edd
.
.
m II
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On 11-03-05 04:20 PM, RHF wrote:
>> Ah That's The Mike [M II] We Know
>
>> Preaching Hate For All From Canada
>
>> Mouthing Off His Biases For All From Canada
>
>> Ranting Bigotry For All From Canada
>
>> Mike [M II] : "The Voice of Canada" Spews Again ! ~ RHF
You really don't have any clue about the meaning of what you read, do
you? Ninety percent of your responses have absolutely NO bearing on the
subject at hand.
While we're at it, just how long have you been defending the
international trafficking of twelve year old females for the purposes of
statutory rape?
Would Jesus have approved? Why did He mention hanging a millstone around
the necks of those who sexually abuse children?
Do you know better than Jesus what is moral?
Please, I'd like to hear your defense (again) of the sixty year old
'Mormon' fundamentalist with underage wives. Did you send one of YOUR
kids to his harem?
mike
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Joe from Kokomo
> "Joe from Kokomo" wrote in message
> news:iku3r3$2m7$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>
>
> C'mon Lare, tell us your thoughts on your new Republican governor TAKING
> money out of YOUR pocket and GIVING it as a gift to Big Business...and
> then having the bare faced gall to call it *shared* sacrifice.
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
On 3/5/2011 5:14 PM, Brenda Ann wrote:
> I believe you are indeed confused on this issue. Steve lives in
> Michigan. The governor I believe you are referring to is the governor of
> Wisconsin.
Sorry Brenda,
I know Lare lives in Michigan, and no, I am -not- referring to that
piece of work Walker from Wisconsin in this specific case.
Normally, you are right on top of things, but this is a complete
strike-out for you. Understandable though, as I'm sure we get much more
Michigan news in Kokomo than you do in Korea. :-(
Even though ol' Joe is from Kokomo (in Indiana ya know), Joe has his
facts 100% correct.
1) It IS indeed the new Republican Governor Rick Snyder from the great
state of Michigan.
2) Snyder is indeed touting his plan as "shared sacrifice".
3) Snyder is indeed taking money from kids K-12* and out of the pockets
of pensioners (LIKE LARE) to offset the two billion dollar gift he is
giving to Big Business (in the form of a tax break).
As Cuhulin would say, "Look it up!".
Let us know how you make out with that Tecsun 660!
Best regards,
J from K
* IIRC about $470 per student
dxAce
Joe from Kokomo wrote:
> > "Joe from Kokomo" wrote in message
> > news:iku3r3$2m7$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
> >
> >
> > C'mon Lare, tell us your thoughts on your new Republican governor TAKING
> > money out of YOUR pocket and GIVING it as a gift to Big Business...and
> > then having the bare faced gall to call it *shared* sacrifice.
> >
> >
> > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> On 3/5/2011 5:14 PM, Brenda Ann wrote:
>
> > I believe you are indeed confused on this issue. Steve lives in
> > Michigan. The governor I believe you are referring to is the governor of
> > Wisconsin.
>
> Sorry Brenda,
>
> I know Lare lives in Michigan, and no, I am -not- referring to that
> piece of work Walker from Wisconsin in this specific case.
>
> Normally, you are right on top of things, but this is a complete
> strike-out for you. Understandable though, as I'm sure we get much more
> Michigan news in Kokomo than you do in Korea. :-(
>
> Even though ol' Joe is from Kokomo (in Indiana ya know), Joe has his
> facts 100% correct.
>
> 1) It IS indeed the new Republican Governor Rick Snyder from the great
> state of Michigan.
>
> 2) Snyder is indeed touting his plan as "shared sacrifice".
>
> 3) Snyder is indeed taking money from kids K-12* and out of the pockets
> of pensioners (LIKE LARE)
You are mistaken. Show me one example of how my Governor is taking anything out of my
pocket, you delusional 'tard boy.
dxAce
Joe from Kokomo wrote:
Come on cocksuker, show me..
D. Peter Maus
Again, sophistry.
The salaries of state workers in Wisconsin are actually
considerablly higher than that. And they are nearly twice as high as
the wage/salaries of private sector workers doing the same work.
With state employees getting their benefits paid for by the
taxpayers while the taxpayers must contribute to their own benefits,
while paying all of the benefits of state workers, who are making
more than they are, again for the same work.
Yes, demonize, indeed.
>
>> So, again, the people are behind the Governor.
>
> Sort of a vague statement. Many may be behind him, but many aren't.
The majority are.
>
>>>> At least right now. And the Dems In
>>>> Exile are fast falling from grace with now talks about recall
>>>> elections
>>>> to remove the Dems from office.
>>>
>>> To say nothing of all the talk to recall the Republican governor
>>> from
>>> office.
>>
>> Interesting also what the skew is on that. But keep swinging, Joe.
>
> Huh? I truly miss your point on "skew" and "keep swinging(?)". The
> people that are not behind Walker are boiling mad. Thus a Repub
> recall is certainly a legitimate concern and well within the realm
> of possibility. So, your point is?
The point is that the ones talking about recalling Republicans
are Democrat legislators. The ones talking about recalling Democrats
are the voters at large. Again, by a majority.
>
>>>> Which, actually, may be unnecessary. If they remain out of the
>>>> state
>>>> long enough, they'll run afoul of existing laws and will lose their
>>>> offices, anyway. And that deadline is closing fast. They claim
>>>> they're
>>>> working, while away, and are protected from the desertion
>>>> clauses, but
>>>> that may be sophistry. If they claim they're working, but are not
>>>> available (in mass, yet), to vote on pending legislation, then
>>>> the law
>>>> says they're not working. And the people are in agreement.
>>>>
>>>> But here's the part that's really sticking in the public craw...The
>>>> Democrats are remaining out of state to avoid facing a vote they
>>>> will
>>>> most certainly lose.
>>>
>>> They may well lose, but they are trying to stick up for the middle
>>> class.
>
>> No, they're not. They're trying to stick up for political
>> contributors.
>
> Well, that's a dodge on your part. Not like Walker isn't sticking up
> for the Koch brothers?
Whether his is, or is not, the Democrats are sticking up for
their political contributors. What's good for the Goose, my friend....
>
>>> As you seem to be on the side of Governor Walker, let me present you
>>> with some facts and ask you a question…
>>>
>>> *Apparently, you see no problem with teachers, nurses, librarians,
>>> policemen and firemen losing their rights.
>>
>>
>> No one is losing any rights. Only a privilege that even George
>> Meaney of
>> the AFL-CIO said they had no business getting in the first place.
>> and he
>> said that decades ago.
>
> I can't verify that -- and I find it hard to believe a union leader
> would say workers of any stripe should not have collective
> bargaining.
You can look it up. He was quite emphatic about it.
> However, in Wisconsin the workers -have- had that
> "privilege" for decades...and they may be losing that.
Privileges are lost every day. Part of the political process,
from time to time, is loss.
> And you are
> splitting hairs and playing a little semantics here, with the
> "rights" vs "privilege".
Not at all. A right can't be given, not taken away. It pre-exists
the powers that be. It may be protected. It may be infringed. But a
privilege may be created out of whole cloth, negotiated into and out
of existence, and dismissed out of hand by power.
Bottom line, if this goes through, they
> will indeed be in a "My way or the highway" situation, a position
> most of us would not prefer to be in.
Precisely what 66% of the US population said about the Health
Care bill. I fail to see why one is acceptable, and the other is
not. Except along party lines.
>
>>> *What about Walker trying to *ram rod* through in record time
>>> this bill
>>> that also has a NO-BID clause for the state’s power plants. This
>>> should
>>> be patently illegal for either party. “No-bid” is just an
>>> invitation for
>>> corruption.
>>>
>>> *Even though the “David Koch” was a fake, the point is that Walker
>>> –believed- he was real. Legitimate people with legitimate government
>>> business cannot get through to the governor on the first call and
>>> get 20
>>> minutes of his uninterrupted time like "Koch" did.
>
>> Really?
>>
>> I did.
>
> You did what? Got to talk to the Governor of Wisconsin? For 20
> minutes? On the first call? And you're not even a full-time resident
> of Wisconsin? I'm not disputing you, but that -does- stretch credulity.
It is in fact, a fact.
>
>>> This would seem to
>>> indicate that Walker thinks the Koch brothers are his true bosses.
>
>> Sophistry. I heard the playback of the call. He sounded like he was
>> massaging a contributor.
>
> Too bad he couldn't devote the same effort to actually sit down with
> the unions and discuss the issue -- rather than reject out of hand
> the unions offer of economic concessions and spend time kissing the
> ass of his Koch brothers masters.
Nice spin. But not a lot of fact, there.
>
>> No different than NPR taking calls from
>> patrons, making promises on programming they have no intention of
>> keeping, and then ignoring that programming once the checks clear.
>
> This is really another entirely different debate. I don't know NPR
> policies as well as you seem to think you do.
I speak with some authority, here, because I speak from
experience. Both as a listener and contributor, and an insider at
NPR. Local and otherwise.
You are laying some
> pretty serious charges. Finally, what you say makes no sense -- as
> it would seem that NPR could could only pull that stunt once, before
> the word of it spread like wildfire. Again, I'm not disputing you,
> but you -are- stretching credulity.
Only to those who believe NPR is not subject to the economies of
the marketplace, like commercial broadcast. They must meet budgets.
And to do that, they must massage contributors. And to get the
numbers of contributors, they must have ratings. No difference than
PBS, which runs some programs only during pledge drives, and then
program, according to the same criteria during non pledge periods,
as commercial broadcasters.
They do have the same thinly disguised contempt as Clear Channel.
The difference is...well, there is no difference.
>
>>> *In this same bill, Walker is removing the salary income price
>>> cap on
>>> vouchers for private schools. This would allow children of the
>>> wealthy
>>> to attend private schools at tax payer's expense.
>>
>> No, it would allow citizens to send their children to private school
>> without having to pay for the public schools at the same time. No one
>> should have to pay the costs of a system that they're currently
>> paying
>> exorbitant rates not to use.
>>
>> Regardless of income.
>>
>> Let the public schools compete for their tuition, just like the
>> private
>> schools. If they're not doing the job, they don't deserve the
>> support,
>> anyway.
>
> Hmmm, why was there a salary cap in the first place, if not to keep
> the rich from abusing the system. And just exactly how do you
> propose that the middle class and the poor "compete" to get into
> those private schools?
You missed the point, Joe. Let the public schools compete for
students like the private schools. Let them do it by results. Better
results, they have students choosing public schools for their
academic excellence. If not, let them go away.
If the population were faced with fewer public schools, with more
students migrating to the private schools, tuitions would come down.
The middle class and the poor, which pay for the public schools
that do NOT produce results through their taxes, anyway, may then
take that same money and put it towards private school tuition, and
break the cycle of low pay for inferiour jobs through a generation
of better educated students.
Everyone wins. Especially the poor and the middle class.
>
> Let me close with a few more examples of Walker's sleaze...
>
> 1) If, as you said in your opening statement above that "public
> sector union benefits are to blame for a lion's share of the
> shortfall",
No, what I said, was "3:1 of the public believe that public
sector unions are to blame for the lion's share of the shortfall."
Significant difference. And in Wisconsin, as in the rest of the
Nation, public opinion moves political energy.
Often, even if what the public believes is not precisely the truth.
My point was that the public is not on board with the Dems move
to thwart the results of the election by simply refusing to
participate in a vote that will cost them their contributors in
public sector unions.
> 2) Don't forget the Milwaukee scandal. When Walker was a Milwaukee
> County executive, he fired all the union county security guards and
> replaced them with private guards from Wackenhut, a BRITISH company
> (so much for the Repubs being concerned about "jobs, jobs, jobs").
> Later, the courts ruled that he illegally fired the original guards,
> who the county had to hire back, WITH back pay. Walker's union
> busting folly cost the county $500,000. Hmmm, maybe Walker is a part
> of the budget shortfall. Sleaze.
Nice spin, Joe. But this is a political discussion. Spin is
essential, isn't it.
>
> 3) The Federal government was going to pay for a high speed rail
> between Milwaukee and Madison.
No, the Federal Government was going to pay to get the process
started. The majority of funding must come from the states which are
involved, themselves.
A rail system that NO ONE has shown the slightest interest in,
except the Federal Government, btw.
> Walker turned it down cold.
Yes, he did. Because it would have cost the State Treasury
billions. The Federal Government only provides startup cash. And not
much of that. The state would have to provide the funding for the
project.
Walker was right to turn it down.
Please
> understand that this project was NOT like Alaska's "Bridge to
> Nowhere"; Milwaukee is Wisconsin's biggest city and Madison is the
> state capitol and has a very large university. The route would have
> gotten plenty of traffic and created many, many jobs.
No, it wouldn't. Because there is no interest in high speed rail
in Wisconsin. Just as there is no interest in high speed rail
between Chicago and St Louis, another money pit that the Federal
Government is pushing. With zero public interest.
>
> Bottom line: You appear to be a rabid Republican (with tea-bagger
> leanings) supporter of Walker, apparently no matter what he does, no
> matter how unethical he is.
I'm sure it would be convenient to believe that. And make your
vitriol all the more justifiable. But it's just not so.
Actually, I'm a conservative, with independent leanings. Would it
surprise you to find out that I voted for Jimmy Carter?
I've actively campaigned for Democrats in Lousiana, Texas, and
Illinois. And was spokesperson for several Democrat campaigns. These
jobs paid minimal stipends, and were accepted by me based on values
and the integrity of the individual. I've also done the same for
numerous Republican campaigns.
And I've turned down dozens of jobs from both sides.
Have a good day, Joe.
m II
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> Come on cocksuker, show me..
What a baby. A drunken baby at that. A drunken, illiterate baby.
mike
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Brenda Ann
"Joe from Kokomo" wrote in message
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On 3/5/2011 5:14 PM, Brenda Ann wrote:
> I believe you are indeed confused on this issue. Steve lives in
> Michigan. The governor I believe you are referring to is the governor of
> Wisconsin.
Sorry Brenda,
I know Lare lives in Michigan, and no, I am -not- referring to that
piece of work Walker from Wisconsin in this specific case.
Normally, you are right on top of things, but this is a complete
strike-out for you. Understandable though, as I'm sure we get much more
Michigan news in Kokomo than you do in Korea. :-(
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I stand corrected.
cuh...@webtv.net
I get more Alabama Dumb Ass news and Cajun news than y'all do.
On Grafton Street in Novemberrrrrr,,,,, we tripped lightly along the
ledge,,,,,,,,, and worrd and tint,,,,,, I did not stint, I gave herr
poems to sayyyyyyyy,,,,,,
cuhulin
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>On 11-03-05 04:20 PM, RHF wrote:
>
>
>>> Ah That's The Mike [M II] We Know
>>
>>> Preaching Hate For All From Canada
>>
>>> Mouthing Off His Biases For All From Canada
>>
>>> Ranting Bigotry For All From Canada
>>
>>> Mike [M II] : "The Voice of Canada" Spews Again ! ~ RHF
>
>
>You really don't have any clue about the meaning of what you read, do
>you? Ninety percent of your responses have absolutely NO bearing on the
>subject at hand.
>
>While we're at it, just how long have you been defending the
>international trafficking of twelve year old females for the purposes of
>statutory rape?
>
>Would Jesus have approved? Why did He mention hanging a millstone around
>the necks of those who sexually abuse children?
>
>Do you know better than Jesus what is moral?
>
>Please, I'd like to hear your defense (again) of the sixty year old
>'Mormon' fundamentalist with underage wives. Did you send one of YOUR
>kids to his harem?
>
>
>mike
Keep Preaching That Vitriol Hate Against Mormons
Keep Preaching That Vitriol Hate Against Christians
Keep Preaching That Vitriol Hate Against Person of Faith
Keep Being "The Vioce of Canada" for Bias !
Keep Being "The Vioce of Canada" for Bigotry !
Keep Being "The Vioce of Canada" for Racism !
.
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Mike [M II] :
Propaganda Then !
Propaganda Now !
Propaganda Forever !
.
Mike [M II] :
Not Trying To Change Your Mind
-or- Change The Mind of Those Who Agree With You -either-
.
Mike [M II] :
Just Doing a Ditto-Head Post
For Those Who Do NOT Agree With You -yeah-!-
Just Doing a Ditto-Head Post
For Those Who Know That Your Are . . .
wrong,,, Wrong.... WRONG ! ! ! -yeah-!-
Just Doing a Ditto-Head Post
For Those Who Know That Your Are . . .
wrong,,, Wrong.... WRONG ! ! ! -yeah-!-
Just Doing a Ditto-Head Post
For Those Who Know That Your Are A Canadian . . .
wrong,,, Wrong.... WRONG ! ! ! -yeah-!-
.
-wrt- Ditto-Head Posts = I Am OK & Your Are OK Too !
.
Mike [M II] :
Painting You Into The [Liberal] Box [.]
Painting You Into The [Thinks Like a Democrat] Box [.]
Painting You Into The [He's a Canadian] Box [.]
.
Mike [M II] :
It Ain't Personal : It's Just Political Rhetoric !
rah,,, Rah... RAH ! ! !
.
you have a nice day and enjoy your radios
eternal fraternal peace and love* ~ RHF
* from your american cousins :o)
.
.
RHF
wrote:
>
.
Good old Joe from Kokomo : Da Facts is Da Facts
-and-worth-repeating-again-and-again-
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/ec5a457fd9b59160
.
Truth Be Told Prez "BO" {Obama} Is Anti-Union
and His Actions Prove It ! : Time and Time Again !
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/6966c3b7d2c24c94
.
All City and State Workers should have the Same
{Equal} Rights as Prez "BO" {Obama} Gives US
Federal Government Employees [.]
-and- Nothing More -aka- The Basic Right To Have A
Union and Organizes To Redress Their Grievances :
NOT Pay !
NOT Benefits !
NOT Seniority !
NOT Hours of Work !
NOT Working Conditions !
Just Simply to have a 'Union'. {and Pay Dues}
Just Simply to Address Their Grievances.
*IF* It's Good Enough For Federal Employees :