I see they're building a battery factory in Steve's backyard..
Brenda Ann
dxAce
Brenda Ann wrote:
> ... see if you can get me a sample.. :)
A sample?
Apparently there are actually two battery companies fixing to start up here.
Of course, Wonder Boy was here yesterday for a 'ground breaking' ceremony,
though I think construction had already begun on the that factory site, and
I'm not sure just how far along the other currently is.
dxAce
Brenda Ann wrote:
> ... see if you can get me a sample.. :)
A sample?
Apparently there are actually two battery companies fixing to start up here.
Of course, Wonder Boy was here yesterday for a 'ground breaking' ceremony,
though I think construction had already begun on the that factory site, and
I'm not sure just how far along the other currently is.
The one with the ceremony I think is a South Korean company, 'LG'.
RHF
Lead and Acid now that's Green
and good for the environment.
Way to Go Barry'O ! ~ RHF
.
Joe from Kokomo
> Lead and Acid now that's Green and good for the environment.
Well, you are 100% right -- except for the small detail that they are
NOT manufacturing lead-acid batteries.
> Way to Go Barry'O ! ~ RHF
Way to go, (R)acist (H)appy (F)ool...once again, you've not let the
facts get in your way. :-)
However, not a total loss, as your racism IS showing again...
Brenda Ann
"Joe from Kokomo" <j...@indy.net> wrote in message
news:i1phhn$eqc$2...@news.eternal-september.org...
I Googled it... they'll be making LiIon batteries.
cuh...@webtv.net
acid batteries for cars and trucks and golf carts and lawnmowers some
old fashion 6 volt batteries for old model MG cars.That factory opened
in 1961, it closed down about ten something years ago.
cuhulin
cuh...@webtv.net
The Nissan factory, about twenty miles North of doggy's couch I-20
Gluckstadt Exit, had to shut down for a few days, something about a
shortage of parts from one of the suppliers.(just in time, technology)
Maybe that Nissan factory is still on shut down now, I don't know.I
think it is.
http://www.devilfinder.com
Auto Battery Manufacturing in the South
cuhulin
Kevin Alfred Strom
Without racial feelings that conduce to separation and
differentiation, human evolution would have been impossible and you
would not exist.
Races are always emerging and differentiating.
There was a time -- a momentous time, a time of great consequence --
when the first true humans no longer mated with the almost-humans
around them.
On such moments of racial separation all human progress -- indeed
all evolutionary progress in the universe -- depends.
With all good wishes,
Kevin Alfred Strom.
--
http://kevinalfredstrom.com/
cuh...@webtv.net
Animals.All the other Animals behave themselves much better than us
Human Animals do.
I finally got up off of my lazy dead arse this morning and went to the
post office and snail mailed some photographs of the Trail of Honor
event I went to last May, to that married Irish woman wayyyyyyyyy over
yonder across the big pond.
http://www.devilfinder.com
Trail of Honor May 2010 Jackson,Mississippi
cuhulin
cuh...@webtv.net
cuh...@webtv.net
nowadays, but if you have a dead lead acid battery at around zero
degrees you will be cussin the sh.t out of that cold ass battery trying
to get it to charge up.
http://www.wired.com/autopia/2010/06/mississippi-state-ecocar-mpg
Yeah, in fact of the business,,, if I want an electric car I will
convert my 1948 Willys Jeep to an electric Jeep.Old timey parts and
technology, I wouldn't have any problems figuring it out.
cuhulin
RHF
- - On 7/16/2010 6:07 AM, RHF wrote:
- -
- - Lead and Acid now that's Green
- - and good for the environment.
- Well, you are 100% right --
- except for the small detail that they are
- NOT manufacturing lead-acid batteries.
Any Battery after it is used-up is a
Solid Waste Disposal Problem [.]
PLUS every Battery contains some form of
TOXIC Waste that last for decades of Centuries
* Solar, Hydrogen and even Hydro are the
better answers -not- Batteries of any kind
= The Earth Abides =so= Abide With It =
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ne7fPpxAnuM
- - Way to Go Barry'O ! ~ RHF
- Way to go, (R)acist (H)appy (F)ool
- ...once again, you've not let the
- facts get in your way. :-)
racist, Racist. RACIST !
Dang you know that you are dialoguing with
a Liberal 'Progressive' Democrat Socialist
[ macho, Macho. MACHO ! Elitists ]
-cause- they primary reply is to call you a 'racist'
come-on throw in a cracker and red-neck too . . .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Glny4jSciVI
- However, not a total loss,
- as your racism IS showing again...
It must be the Window [Mirror]
you are looking into . . . for your own bias
and bigotry sharpens your vision
Gee Lead {Get the Lead Out} is Racist
* well at least according to the Liberal
'Progressive' Democrat Socialist Fascists
-and- OMG Acid {Don't Do Drugs} is Racist
* well at least according to the Liberal
'Progressive' Democrat Socialist Fascists
The Grass Is Always Greener . . .
Over The Septic Tank -by- Erma Bombeck
-but- who wants to live over the . . .
septic tank {toxic waste site} ?
as always you simply remain little joe
full of diluted kokomo - pal ~ RHF
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qReKppA71DE
.
-ps- feel the music my brother-man -for-
we are the all too human race {one-race}
.
RHF
wrote:
> "Joe from Kokomo" <j...@indy.net> wrote in messagenews:i1phhn$eqc$2...@news.eternal-september.org...
>
> > On 7/16/2010 6:07 AM, RHF wrote:
>
> >> Lead and Acid now that's Green and good for the environment.
>
> > Well, you are 100% right -- except for the small detail that they are
> > NOT manufacturing lead-acid batteries.
>
> >> Way to Go Barry'O ! ~ RHF
>
> > Way to go, (R)acist (H)appy (F)ool...once again, you've not let the facts
> > get in your way. :-)
>
> > However, not a total loss, as your racism IS showing again...
- I Googled it... they'll be making LiIon batteries.
BAD good for you :o)
So which part of the Lithium-Ion Battery is Non-Toxic ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Litium_Ion_battery
? Lithium Salts // LiPF6, LiBF4 or LiClO4 ?
* bartender... I Say Bartender : I'll have a glass
of Lithium Salts !
? Organic Solvents // Ethylene Carbonate ?
* bartender... I Say Bartender : I'll have a glass
of Organic Solvents !
# Look for the Three Words : safety, Safety. SAFETY !
The Obama Battery - Now That's Green - NOT !
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/a3d5527b52d8817b
think green green green -cause-
it's our home it's our dream ~ RHF
.
Da da da da da….da da da da da…
http://www.epapsa.com/campaigns/greensox/media/6_KIDS.mp3
Green Green Green {Living Environment}
It’s Our Home {One Earth & One World}
It’s Our Dream {Freedom for All}
For a Life that’s {Living Free}
Healthy and Clean {Free of Toxic Pollution}
Make it Green Green Green {a Living Environment}
http://www.epapsa.com/campaigns/greensox/media/6_KIDS.mp3
.
Plant a Tree for the Earth & Help a Child for Humanity
Make the World a Better Place For You and Me ~ RHF
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6WJrtms8EoQ
.
RHF
Genesis 1:26
Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let
them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the
livestock, over all the earth, and over all the creatures that move
along the ground."
god said it and i believe it -n- dat's dat ~ RHF
.
dave
> Genesis 1:26
> Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, in our likeness yadda yadda yadda..."
Us? I thought he was alone when he made Man...
Brenda Ann
"dave" <da...@dave.dave> wrote in message
news:4c41a954$0$5547$bd46...@news.dslextreme.com...
The imperial 'we'..
Joe from Kokomo
> - - Lead and Acid now that's Green
> - - and good for the environment.
> On Jul 16, 4:58 am, Joe from Kokomo<j...@indy.net> wrote:
> - Well, you are 100% right --
> - except for the small detail that they are
> - NOT manufacturing lead-acid batteries.
On 7/17/2010 4:11 AM, RHF wrote:
> Any Battery after it is used-up is a
> Solid Waste Disposal Problem [.]
Ye, that's true...so you'd better sell your car, as I'm sure it has a
battery in it, as do the tens of millions of existing cars in the
country. For that matter, you'd better stop eating. The packaging that
your food comes in is also, to quote you, a "Solid Waste Disposal
Problem [.]"
> * Solar, Hydrogen and even Hydro are the
> better answers -not- Batteries of any kind
Well, solar you say? The sun don't shine at night (or on cloudy days),
so the solar energy is usually stored in...batteries.
I am glad to see that you are STILL not letting the facts get in your
way. ;-)
> - - Way to Go Barry'O ! ~ RHF
Bottom line: Facts notwithstanding, you just couldn't resist throwing a
gratuitous slam at the prez.
cuh...@webtv.net
http://www.wired.com/autopia/2010/06/mississippi-state-ecocar-118-mpg
cuhulin
Beam Me Up Scotty
>> * Solar, Hydrogen and even Hydro are the
>> better answers -not- Batteries of any kind
Hydrogen.... exhausts water vapor, water vapor is more of a greenhouse
gas by your standards than CO2.
If you drive enough cars through the desert you will raise the humidity
which is the "Water Vapor" that will increase all the dry parts of the
world to have more water vapor and that is more greenhouse gas.
Your Solution is worse than the problem.... The cure is worse than the
disease.
While you could have made the argument that it would help the USA be
energy self sufficient and that is a good thing, you leftists try to use
the silly *Global Warming myth* as your basis and in that realm it makes
no more sense than Global Warming its self.
cuh...@webtv.net
dave
Do you know where I can get some?
dxAce
dave wrote:
Contact your usual dealer... down on the corner.
Paul Briskette
Pumping oil all over the world sure seems allot cleaner. Plus the
industry seems proud of it's accomplishment!
dxAce
Paul Briskette wrote:
> On Sat, 17 Jul 2010 01:55:17 -0700, RHF wrote:
>
> > On Jul 16, 5:32Â am, "Brenda Ann" <newsgro...@fullspectrumradio.org>
> > wrote:
> >> "Joe from Kokomo" <j...@indy.net> wrote in
> >> messagenews:i1phhn$eqc$2...@news.eternal-september.org...
> >>
> >> > On 7/16/2010 6:07 AM, RHF wrote:
> >>
> >> >> Lead and Acid now that's Green and good for the environment.
> >>
> >> > Well, you are 100% right -- except for the small detail that they are
> >> > NOT manufacturing lead-acid batteries.
> >>
> >> >> Way to Go Barry'O ! ~ RHF
> >>
> >> > Way to go, (R)acist (H)appy (F)ool...once again, you've not let the
> >> > facts get in your way. Â :-)
Yeah, and your clown 'tard Wonder Boy sure seems intent upon putting the
current energy industry out of business.
Wonder Boy needs a clue: Those batteries are going to need to be recharged.
But, Wonder Boy is genetically defective!
dxAce
Michigan
USA
Joe from Kokomo
>>> Batteries of any kind
(This statement was written by RHF. Please see below)
On 7/17/2010 2:31 PM, Beam Me Up Scotty wrote:
> Hydrogen.... exhausts water vapor, water vapor is more of a
> greenhouse gas by your standards than CO2.
>
> If you drive enough cars through the desert you will raise the
> humidity which is the "Water Vapor" that will increase all the dry
> parts of the world to have more water vapor and that is more
> greenhouse gas.
>
>
> Your Solution is worse than the problem.... The cure is worse than
> the disease.
>
>
> While you could have made the argument that it would help the USA be
> energy self sufficient and that is a good thing, you leftists try to
> use the silly *Global Warming myth* as your basis and in that realm
> it makes no more sense than Global Warming its self.
Um, Scotty,
The statement you quoted above and that caused you to get your knickers
in a twist was written by *RHF*, NOT Joe from Kokomo.
You might want to pull your head out of your ass and try replying to the
*correct* poster.
cuh...@webtv.net
you want.He is running a special sale on Smart Pills right now.
No CO2 = No Food = Starvation.
Doggy is jumping me, that means she needs to go pee pee poo poo.Come on
doggy, let's go front yard.
cuhulin
dxAce
Joe from Kokomo wrote:
Joe, you're certainly not the one to lecture anyone about pulling their head
out of their ass.
In fact, you're a current contestant for the 'Golden Come-Along Award'.
dxAce
Michigan
USA
dxAce
Bob Dobbs wrote:
> Like when some CBer says "we" copy etc. even if it's just one solitary operator
> using a vox mike so he can have one hand wrapped around a beer and the other
> around his pud.
Experienced, eh, Bob?
cuh...@webtv.net
1950's.What it is, way back then the U.S.Army handed over a 1957
Chevrolet pickup truck to a guy in Motor Pool.They told him to make the
truck run on ammonia gas.At first he experimented with a lawnmower
engine.He got it running on ammonia gas, then he started working on the
truck.He mounted one or two tanks of ammonia gas which he had insulated
and routed the exhaust pipe to keep the ammonia tanks warm in the bed of
the truck and he fixed up a pipe from the ammonia tanks to the
carburetor.He had to start the engine running on gasoline, then he
switched over to the ammonia and the truck ran, but not with as much
power as gasoline.
The idea was, the U.S.Army could use small nuke plants mounted on 18
wheelers and park by rivers/ponds/whatever and produce ammonia gas from
water and air.
One time, I had to tow one of our Army 2/12 ton trucks to our Motor Pool
in Saigon.A guy there was drilling holes in the center of intake
valves.I asked him, Why? He said so the engine will keep on running if
the ignition gets to wet with water.
cuhulin
m II
> One time, I had to tow one of our Army 2/12 ton trucks to our Motor Pool
> in Saigon.A guy there was drilling holes in the center of intake
> valves.I asked him, Why? He said so the engine will keep on running if
> the ignition gets to wet with water.
A Viet Cong agent *would* say that, wouldn't he? Didn't your superiors
wonder why ten thousand trucks suddenly quit working?
mike
m II
"Thou shalt have no Gods before Me" tends to imply other Entities,
besides the Trinity.
mike
Brenda Ann
"Beam Me Up Scotty" <Then-Destro...@Blackhole.NebulaX.com> wrote in
message news:4C41F70A...@Blackhole.NebulaX.com...
Water vapor is indeed a short term greenhouse gas.. but there is one major
difference between water vapor and, say, CO2. Water vapor precipitates out
of the atmosphere in a regular cycle. It's called 'rain'. It also
precipitates out nightly in the form of dew as the humidity reaches 100%.
Water vapor does not STAY in the atmosphere permanently.
dxAce
m II wrote:
> cuh...@webtv.net wrote:
>
> > One time, I had to tow one of our Army 2/12 ton trucks to our Motor Pool
> > in Saigon.A guy there was drilling holes in the center of intake
> > valves.I asked him, Why? He said so the engine will keep on running if
> > the ignition gets to wet with water.
>
> A Viet Cong agent *would* say that, wouldn't he?
You'd not know a 'Viet Cong agent' even if he/she crawled up yer dumbass
Canuck ass and spent a long cold Alberta winter, 'tard boy/girl.
cuh...@webtv.net
What would great big FAT ''global warming'' Owl Gourdhead do without
CO2?
Mrs.Bucket comes on tv tonight at 8:00 PM.
cuhulin
Brenda Ann
"Bone China Blue" <chine...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:chine.bleu-539E0...@62-183-169-81.bb.dnainternet.fi...
> In article <4C41F70A...@Blackhole.NebulaX.com>,
> Beam Me Up Scotty <Then-Destro...@Blackhole.NebulaX.com> wrote:
>
>> Hydrogen.... exhausts water vapor, water vapor is more of a greenhouse
>> gas by your standards than CO2.
>
> until
> we reach several thousand percent relative humidity.
>
>> Your Solution is worse than the problem.... The cure is worse than the
>> disease.
>
>
Could be easily electrolyzed from sea water, using solar power.
Gregg
>
> - Show quoted text -
Huh? Not Joe, you must be mistaken - he knows everything about
everything. We're just lucky to be in this group with him. You really
need to list not only the winner but the runner up (which you did) in
case the winner poses naked for a magazine or gets in
trouble.....that's it..."fullfilling their obligations." So you need
to list at least three just in case. ;-)
RHF
- - RHF wrote:
- - Genesis 1:26
- - Then God said, "Let us make man
- - in our image, in our likeness
- yadda yadda yadda..."
-
- Us? I thought he was alone when he made Man...
The Royal "We" ~ "Us"
.
RHF
> dave wrote:
> > RHF wrote:
>
- - - Genesis 1:26
- - - Then God said, "Let us make man
- - - in our image, in our likeness
> > > yadda yadda yadda..."
>
> > Us? I thought he was alone when he made Man...
- "Thou shalt have no Gods before Me" tends
- to imply other Entities, besides the Trinity.
-
- mike
Clearly there is is difference between what you
Mike [M II] a mere Hu-Man consider a 'god';
and what "God" as "God" considers a "God"
{His-God-Self}.
.
dxAce
Gregg wrote:
> Huh? Not Joe, you must be mistaken - he knows everything about
> everything. We're just lucky to be in this group with him. You really
> need to list not only the winner but the runner up (which you did) in
> case the winner poses naked for a magazine or gets in
> trouble.....that's it..."fullfilling their obligations." So you need
> to list at least three just in case. ;-)
I'll certainly keep that suggestion in mind.
Interesting that the current 'winner' seems to be pretty much missing in action
these days.
The same happened with 'Eduardo'.
RHF
> > > So which part of the Lithium-Ion Battery is Non-Toxic ?
> > > LiPF6, LiBF4 or LiClO4 ? * bartender... I Say Bartender : I'll have a
> > > glass of Lithium Salts !
- - - * bartender... I Say Bartender :
- - - I'll have a glass of Organic Solvents !
- Alcohol is an organic solvent.
and "Ethylene Carbonate" is too . . .
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethylene_carbonate
would you like to have your family
drinking it in their household Water ?
Lithium-Ion Batteries may be a technical
improvement over Lead-Acid and others;
but it still has to be Charged and Recharged
Weekly,Daily, and/or Hourly; and in the
end disposed-of {Solid Toxic Waste}.
-again- There are better less-toxic alternatives
than Batteries :
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/a3d5527b52d8817b
* Solar, Hydrogen and even Hydro are the
better answers -not- Batteries of any kind
= The Earth Abides =so= Abide With It =
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ne7fPpxAnuM
> --
> Damn the living - It's a lovely life. I'm whoever you want me to be.
> Silver silverware - Where is the love? At least I can stay in character.
> Oval swimming pool - Where is the love? Annoying Usenet one post at a time.
> Damn the living - It's a lovely life. We support you, Sarah.
RHF
> On Sat, 17 Jul 2010 01:55:17 -0700, RHF wrote:
> > wrote:
> >> "Joe from Kokomo" <j...@indy.net> wrote in
> >> messagenews:i1phhn$eqc$2...@news.eternal-september.org...
>
> >> > On 7/16/2010 6:07 AM, RHF wrote:
>
> >> >> Lead and Acid now that's Green and good for the environment.
>
> >> > Well, you are 100% right -- except for the small detail that they are
> >> > NOT manufacturing lead-acid batteries.
>
> >> >> Way to Go Barry'O ! ~ RHF
>
> >> > Way to go, (R)acist (H)appy (F)ool...once again, you've not let the
>
> >> > However, not a total loss, as your racism IS showing again...
>
> > - I Googled it... they'll be making LiIon batteries.
>
- -
- - So which part of the Lithium-Ion Battery is Non-Toxic ?
- - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Litium_Ion_battery? Lithium Salts //
- - LiPF6, LiBF4 or LiClO4 ?
- - * bartender... I Say Bartender :
- - ? Organic Solvents // Ethylene Carbonate ?
- - * bartender... I Say Bartender :
- - I'll have a glass of Organic Solvents !
- -
- - The Obama Battery - Now That's Green - NOT !
- - http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/a3d5527b52d8817b
- -
- - think green green green -cause-
- - it's our home it's our dream ~ RHF
- - .
- - Da da da da da….da da da da da…
- - http://www.epapsa.com/campaigns/greensox/media/6_KIDS.mp3
- - Green Green Green {Living Environment}
- - It’s Our Home {One Earth & One World}
- - It’s Our Dream {Freedom for All}
- - For a Life that’s {Living Free}
- - Healthy and Clean {Free of Toxic Pollution}
- - Make it Green Green Green {a Living Environment}
- - http://www.epapsa.com/campaigns/greensox/media/6_KIDS.mp3
- - .
- - Plant a Tree for the Earth & Help a Child
- - for Humanity
- - Make the World a Better Place
- - For You and Me ~ RHF
- - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6WJrtms8EoQ
- - .
Safe Green Obama Lithium-Ion Batteries - NOT !
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/0e149fee75d83d5a
- Pumping oil all over the world sure
- seems allot cleaner. Plus the industry
- seems proud of it's accomplishment!
PB - Now Did I Imply {Say} That ? - NO !
-again- There are better less-toxic alternatives
than Batteries :
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/a3d5527b52d8817b
* Solar, Hydrogen and even Hydro are the
better answers -not- Batteries of any kind
= The Earth Abides =so= Abide With It =
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ne7fPpxAnuM
.
RHF
> > Genesis 1:26
>
> Us? I thought he was alone when he made Man...
Dave -wrt- God is a schizophrantic?
?sp? schizophrantic
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schizophrenia
maybe the better question / statement
would be : Dave is a Schizophrenic !
nah just all too hu-man ~ RHF
.
RHF
> > - - On 7/16/2010 6:07 AM, RHF wrote:
> > - - Lead and Acid now that's Green
> > - - and good for the environment.
>
> > On Jul 16, 4:58 am, Joe from Kokomo<j...@indy.net> wrote:
>
> > - Well, you are 100% right --
> > - except for the small detail that they are
>
> On 7/17/2010 4:11 AM, RHF wrote:
>
> > Any Battery after it is used-up is a
> > Solid Waste Disposal Problem [.]
>
> Ye, that's true...so you'd better sell your car, as I'm sure it has a
> battery in it, as do the tens of millions of existing cars in the
> country. For that matter, you'd better stop eating. The packaging that
> your food comes in is also, to quote you, a "Solid Waste Disposal
> Problem [.]"
>
> > * Solar, Hydrogen and even Hydro are the
> > better answers -not- Batteries of any kind
>
> so the solar energy is usually stored in...batteries.
>
> I am glad to see that you are STILL not letting the facts get in your
> way. ;-)
>
> > - - Way to Go Barry'O ! ~ RHF
>
- Bottom line: Facts notwithstanding,
- you just couldn't resist throwing a
- gratuitous slam at the prez.
Now That's True :o) ~ RHF
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6WJrtms8EoQ
.
RHF
Everyth...@Blackhole.NebulaX.com> wrote:
- - - * Solar, Hydrogen and even Hydro are the
- - - better answers -not- Batteries of any kind
- Hydrogen.... exhausts water vapor,
- water vapor is more of a greenhouse
- gas by your standards than CO2.
D'Oh ! 2/3rds of the Surface of the World is
Water {Oceans} and every Cloud in the Sky
is Water Vapor.
Everyday the Daily Solar Energy from the Sun
and the Earths Oceans -create- Water Vapor.
* Total Daily Human Water Vapor Factors ~ 0.01%
-ps- Everytime that You Exhale :
You Emit . . . Water Vapor.
- If you drive enough cars through the desert
- you will raise the humidity which is the
- "Water Vapor" that will increase all the dry
- parts of the world to have more water vapor
- and that is more greenhouse gas.
D'Oh ! - If you drive enough cars down a Freeway
you will get a big Traffic-Jam* resulting in burning
Gasoline and Going Nowhere {Fast}
* which happens everyday
- Your Solution is worse than the problem....
While your 'problems' offer no solutions.
- The cure is worse than the disease.
Nah you cure is the disease.
- While you could have made the argument
- that it would help the USA be energy self
- sufficient and that is a good thing,
Yes Energy Self-Sufficiency for All Nations is
a Good Thing -not just the limited to the USA.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ib-Qiyklq-Q
- you leftists
HELLO EVERYONE SOMEONE JUST CALLED
ME A . . . "LEFTIST" -rotfl-
- try to use the silly *Global Warming myth*
- as your basis and in that realm it makes
- no more sense than Global Warming its self.
Get with the program Global Warming is the
old-school term.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_warming
The newest term is now "Climate Change"
-that's- CLIMATE CHANGE !
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_change
-memory-hint- Prez Obama promised us
'Change' as in "Climate Change"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2W4-0qUdHY
Both may or may not be happening right now.
The Question is . . . Is Mankind {Humanity} a
significant Factor {The Cause} -or- Is Mankind
{Humanity} an Insignificant Factor {The Climate
is Changing and We Can Not Affect It -or- Stop
It from Changing}
it is my humble opinion that : YES the Earths
{Solar} Climate is Changing and We Can NOT
Affect It -or- Stop It from Changing. ~ RHF
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jr9hPbYmBo
.
Please recognize that some/many do 'believe-in'
[ Scripture + Faith + Hope + Worship + Zealot ]
"The Protocols of the Elders of Kyoto"©
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyoto_Protocol
* note - that i am not a 'believer' in this
new pseudo-scientific-religion.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6WJrtms8EoQ
.
RHF
- - cuhu...@webtv.net wrote:
- - http://www.devilfinder.com
- - The benefits of CO2
- -
- - CO2, Beneficial.
- - cuhulin
- Do you know where I can get some?
CO2
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_dioxide
Dave simply 'exhale' and enjoy ~ RHF
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exhale
.
Just for you Dave ;-}
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCSQorBmO58
.
RHF
Praise Be The Obama !
http://www.goofigure.com/images/library/heads_up_ass.jpg
.
RHF
wrote:
> "Bone China Blue" <chine.b...@yahoo.com> wrote in messagenews:chine.bleu-539E0...@62-183-169-81.bb.dnainternet.fi...
>
> > In article <4C41F70A.2030...@Blackhole.NebulaX.com>,
> > Beam Me Up Scotty <Then-Destroy-Everyth...@Blackhole.NebulaX.com> wrote:
>
> >> Hydrogen.... exhausts water vapor, water vapor is more of a greenhouse
> >> gas by your standards than CO2.
>
> > And it's tragic how that water vapour just accumulates in the atmosphere
> > until
> > we reach several thousand percent relative humidity.
>
> >> Your Solution is worse than the problem.... The cure is worse than the
> >> disease.
- - Where is all this hydrogen going to come from?
- Could be easily electrolyzed from sea water,
- using solar power.
Sun plus Water to H & O and back to Water
http://www.hydrogenhighway.ca.gov/vision/vision.pdf
'other' emissions ~0.00%
* potentially each and every Nation in the World
could be Energy Self-Sufficient.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FAoePg3fGLM
.
RHF
> On Jul 17, 8:52 pm, Bone China Blue <chine.b...@yahoo.com> wrote:> > > So which part of the Lithium-Ion Battery is Non-Toxic ?
> > > > LiPF6, LiBF4 or LiClO4 ? * bartender... I Say Bartender : I'll have a
> > > > glass of Lithium Salts !
>
> - - - ? Organic Solvents // Ethylene Carbonate ?
> - - - * bartender... I Say Bartender :
> - - - I'll have a glass of Organic Solvents !
- Alcohol is an organic solvent.
OK go and dissolve yourself . . .
>
> and "Ethylene Carbonate" is too . . .http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethylene_carbonate
> would you like to have your family
> drinking it in their household Water ?
>
> Lithium-Ion Batteries may be a technical
> improvement over Lead-Acid and others;
> but it still has to be Charged and Recharged
> Weekly,Daily, and/or Hourly; and in the
> end disposed-of {Solid Toxic Waste}.
>
> -again- There are better less-toxic alternatives
> than Batteries :http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/a3d5527b52d8817b
> * Solar, Hydrogen and even Hydro are the
> better answers -not- Batteries of any kind
> = The Earth Abides =so= Abide With It =http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ne7fPpxAnuM
cuh...@webtv.net
How to make your own automobile fuel
Motoring, anybody?
Lay yo ears back, letcho eyes turn red, lay the pedal to the metal, and
let er roar!
cuhulin
cuh...@webtv.net
More job cuts coming this month.
http://www.dailyjobcuts.com
cuhulin
dave
dave
>>
>
> Water vapor is indeed a short term greenhouse gas.. but there is one major
> difference between water vapor and, say, CO2. Water vapor precipitates out
> of the atmosphere in a regular cycle. It's called 'rain'. It also
> precipitates out nightly in the form of dew as the humidity reaches 100%.
> Water vapor does not STAY in the atmosphere permanently.
>
>
>
We cannot burn our way out of global warming. We must convert sunlight
as directly into electricity as is efficiently practicable; and pump
water during the day and use gravity to generate electricity at night.
We can carefully tap geothermal heat. Melting glaciers will provide
hydroelectric in areas that can use it.
We need to give up some things. Sacrifice or perish for sure.
dave
dxAce
dave
I yam what I yam and that's all that I yam
toot toot
dave
Hanna Barbera sound effects library schizophrantic
cuh...@webtv.net
m II
>> Where is all this hydrogen going to come from?
>>
>
> Could be easily electrolyzed from sea water, using solar power.
Up until recently, I thought the same way. Then, Don Lancaster, of
electronics book fame, convinced me otherwise.
http://www.tinaja.com/h2gas01.asp
I did some math to see how many amperes would be needed to run an
average car at 70 kilometres per hour.
It came out to 6000 AMPS to make the hydrogen and that was at 100
percent fuel efficiency when burned. A car engine is about 25 percent
efficient, so actually 24,000 amperes would be needed.
That converts to (12 volts X 24000 amps) / 746 watts = 386 horsepower
A normal car uses what? 20 or 30 horsepower to go 70 km/hr.
That is obscene. The math for solar isn't much better. Even if all the
hydrogen was given to you FREE, it still costs too much. Energy density
and storage issues are just two of the problems.
The electricity made by solar is far too nice of an energy form to be
used in making hydrogen.
mike
m II
> That means you're turning water into water, just like plants and animals do
> already. That's not right; it gives you no firm basis to complain about
> polluting the atmosphere with all that oxidised hydrogen. Though all that
> hydroxic acid it produces could contribute to acid rain.
We call it DiHydrogen Oxide. Nasty stuff....
http://rebeccajcarlson.com/jest/art3.html
mike
m II
> you'll never get all that on a bumper sticker...
I cater to the GM Hummer crowd. They can put War and Peace on that
bumper, unlike Toyota owners, who paste Acronyms exclusively..
neologist mike
dxAce
m II wrote:
> dave wrote:
>
> > you'll never get all that on a bumper sticker...
>
> I cater to the GM Hummer crowd.
I'll bet you do! :-)
m II
> Up until recently, I thought the same way. Then, Don Lancaster, of
> electronics book fame, convinced me otherwise.
>
> http://www.tinaja.com/h2gas01.asp
From the same page, a useful reading:
http://www.tinaja.com/glib/energfun.pdf
mike
Beam Me Up Scotty
> "Bone China Blue" <chine...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:chine.bleu-539E0...@62-183-169-81.bb.dnainternet.fi...
>> In article <4C41F70A...@Blackhole.NebulaX.com>,
>> Beam Me Up Scotty <Then-Destro...@Blackhole.NebulaX.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hydrogen.... exhausts water vapor, water vapor is more of a greenhouse
>>> gas by your standards than CO2.
>>
>> And it's tragic how that water vapour just accumulates in the atmosphere
>> until
>> we reach several thousand percent relative humidity.
>>
Run the numbers on raising the water vapor and then on raising CO2...
Beam Me Up Scotty
> "Beam Me Up Scotty" <Then-Destro...@Blackhole.NebulaX.com> wrote in
> message news:4C41F70A...@Blackhole.NebulaX.com...
>>
>>>> * Solar, Hydrogen and even Hydro are the
>>>> better answers -not- Batteries of any kind
>>
>>
>>
>> gas by your standards than CO2.
>>
>> which is the "Water Vapor" that will increase all the dry parts of the
>> world to have more water vapor and that is more greenhouse gas.
>>
>>
>> disease.
>>
>>
>> energy self sufficient and that is a good thing, you leftists try to use
>> the silly *Global Warming myth* as your basis and in that realm it makes
>> no more sense than Global Warming its self.
>>
>
> difference between water vapor and, say, CO2. Water vapor precipitates out
> of the atmosphere in a regular cycle.
CO2 is filtered by plants.
The residual heat is what you claim as the DANGER.
> It's called 'rain'.
How will you remove the heat? Why build cars that create a volatile
temperature?
> It also
> precipitates out nightly in the form of dew as the humidity reaches 100%.
> Water vapor does not STAY in the atmosphere permanently.
My point being that the 30% to 99% rise will more than double the effect
of water vapor in the Desert areas. The Average Humidity will be higher
than in the past. While in a tropical area it may create little
difference, once you move north past Miami Palm Beach you hit a
temperate zone that for 50% of the year has a lower humidity, if you
raise that to 100% humidity for the whole year you have nearly doubled
the greenhouse effect on a regional scale....
In fact in Missouri the Corps of Engineers built lakes, lots and lots of
lakes and all over the Ozarks.... People have said that, that increased
the summer humidity of the area and had some effects. Maybe all the
Hydro Electric power and water reservoirs/crop irrigation are doing
more than co2? Will your EPA make water a hazardous gas and regulate it?
Rain every day at 3:00pm is nothing new in Miami but come December that
ends till March and for those 4 months humidity drops from 90% to
70%.... If it rained everyday for those 4 months it wouldn't be a big
deal other than you are increasing the time that humidity as an average
is higher than the typical 70%.... and with all the SUN in Miami you
have your "Green House heating" on steroids, at least if we follow your
greenhouse mythology.
Beam Me Up Scotty
> "Beam Me Up Scotty" <Then-Destro...@Blackhole.NebulaX.com> wrote in
> message news:4C41F70A...@Blackhole.NebulaX.com...
>>
>>>> * Solar, Hydrogen and even Hydro are the
>>>> better answers -not- Batteries of any kind
>>
>>
>>
>> Hydrogen.... exhausts water vapor, water vapor is more of a greenhouse
>> gas by your standards than CO2.
>>
>> If you drive enough cars through the desert you will raise the humidity
>> which is the "Water Vapor" that will increase all the dry parts of the
>> world to have more water vapor and that is more greenhouse gas.
>>
>>
>> Your Solution is worse than the problem.... The cure is worse than the
>> disease.
>>
>>
>> While you could have made the argument that it would help the USA be
>> energy self sufficient and that is a good thing, you leftists try to use
>> the silly *Global Warming myth* as your basis and in that realm it makes
>> no more sense than Global Warming its self.
>>
>
> Water vapor is indeed a short term greenhouse gas..
Recurring green house gas..... according to the theory.
> but there is one major
> difference between water vapor and, say, CO2. Water vapor precipitates out
> of the atmosphere in a regular cycle. It's called 'rain'. It also
Beam Me Up Scotty
> "Beam Me Up Scotty" <Then-Destro...@Blackhole.NebulaX.com> wrote in
> message news:4C41F70A...@Blackhole.NebulaX.com...
>>
>>>> * Solar, Hydrogen and even Hydro are the
>>>> better answers -not- Batteries of any kind
>>
>>
>>
>> Hydrogen.... exhausts water vapor, water vapor is more of a greenhouse
>> gas by your standards than CO2.
>>
>> If you drive enough cars through the desert you will raise the humidity
>> which is the "Water Vapor" that will increase all the dry parts of the
>> world to have more water vapor and that is more greenhouse gas.
>>
>>
>> Your Solution is worse than the problem.... The cure is worse than the
>> disease.
>>
>>
>> While you could have made the argument that it would help the USA be
>> energy self sufficient and that is a good thing, you leftists try to use
>> the silly *Global Warming myth* as your basis and in that realm it makes
>> no more sense than Global Warming its self.
>>
>
> of the atmosphere in a regular cycle.
CO2 is filtered by plants. Co2 is a "trace" gas in air. Why isn't Mars
a ball of fire with 98% Co2
The residual heat is what you claim as the DANGER.
> It's called 'rain'.
How will you remove the heat? Why build cars that create a volatile
water vapor and higher temperatures?
> It also
> precipitates out nightly in the form of dew as the humidity reaches 100%.
> Water vapor does not STAY in the atmosphere permanently.
My point being that the 30% to 99% rise will more than double the effect
of water vapor in the Desert areas. The Average Humidity will be higher
than in the past. While in a tropical area it may create little
difference, once you move north past Miami Palm Beach you hit a
temperate zone that for 50% of the year has a lower humidity, if you
raise that to 100% humidity for the whole year you have nearly doubled
the greenhouse effect on a regional scale....
In fact in Missouri the Corps of Engineers built lakes, lots and lots of
lakes and all over the Ozarks.... People have said that, that increased
the summer humidity of the area and had some effects. Maybe all the
Hydro Electric power and water reservoirs/crop irrigation are doing
more than co2? More water and more green means more evaporation and
osmosis and that means more humidity and the Propaganda has been that
"we made the deserts bloom". Will your EPA make water a hazardous gas
Beam Me Up Scotty
>>>> * Solar, Hydrogen and even Hydro are the better answers -not-
>>>> Batteries of any kind
>
>
> On 7/17/2010 2:31 PM, Beam Me Up Scotty wrote:
>
>> greenhouse gas by your standards than CO2.
>>
>> If you drive enough cars through the desert you will raise the
>> humidity which is the "Water Vapor" that will increase all the dry
>> parts of the world to have more water vapor and that is more
>> greenhouse gas.
>>
>>
>> Your Solution is worse than the problem.... The cure is worse than
>> the disease.
>>
>>
>> While you could have made the argument that it would help the USA be
>> energy self sufficient and that is a good thing, you leftists try to
>> use the silly *Global Warming myth* as your basis and in that realm
>> it makes no more sense than Global Warming its self.
>
>
> The statement you quoted above and that caused you to get your knickers
> in a twist was written by *RHF*, NOT Joe from Kokomo.
>
> You might want to pull your head out of your ass and try replying to the
> *correct* poster.
>
>
>
No names in my reply so anyone on the planet that agrees with what was
written, can read my statement and the one who wrote it knows who he
is.... Anyone that was offended can either accept that attributes
sometimes get mucked up and just post saying they didn't say it and
accept that it was unintentional.... or they can whine incessantly.
Typos and attributes don't make the truth any less true.
Brenda Ann
"m II" <c...@in.the.hat> wrote in message news:4c43...@news.x-privat.org...
> dave wrote:
>
>> you'll never get all that on a bumper sticker...
>
>
If you're close enough to read this, your accelerator must be stuck, too...
Bill Baka
>>>> * Solar, Hydrogen and even Hydro are the better answers -not-
>>>> Batteries of any kind
>
> (This statement was written by RHF. Please see below)
>
> On 7/17/2010 2:31 PM, Beam Me Up Scotty wrote:
>
>> Hydrogen.... exhausts water vapor, water vapor is more of a
>> greenhouse gas by your standards than CO2.
>>
>> If you drive enough cars through the desert you will raise the
>> humidity which is the "Water Vapor" that will increase all the dry
>> parts of the world to have more water vapor and that is more
>> greenhouse gas.
>>
>>
>> Your Solution is worse than the problem.... The cure is worse than
>> the disease.
>>
>>
>> While you could have made the argument that it would help the USA be
>> energy self sufficient and that is a good thing, you leftists try to
>> use the silly *Global Warming myth* as your basis and in that realm
>> it makes no more sense than Global Warming its self.
>
> Um, Scotty,
>
> The statement you quoted above and that caused you to get your knickers
> in a twist was written by *RHF*, NOT Joe from Kokomo.
>
> You might want to pull your head out of your ass and try replying to the
> *correct* poster.
>
>
>
which everything else depends. It is not rocket science.
m II
>> unlike Toyota owners, who paste Acronyms exclusively..
>
> If you're close enough to read this, your accelerator must be stuck, too...
That's pretty good. I saw a typical Harley Fag (1) yesterday with the
mandatory black T shirt. In big white lettering on the back, it declared:
"If you can read this, the b*tch fell off"
Nice way to impress people.
For the Toyota experience, I wonder how many of the problems are
occurring in stuff they outsourced. My own experience with Toyota
includes an Echo. It gave me over 240,000 km with no grief whatever.
I traded it in a Ford Ranger, which *IS* giving me grief. The last item
was a failed alternator at 92,000 km. Before that, the tail-gate handle
broke at the pivot point. Turns out the handle is 1/8th inch thick
PLASTIC. Then there are the windows....Warranty repair is next to
impossible to get.
(1) South Park episode reference
mike
RHF
-
- toot toot
Dave 'you' are simply a "Yam" - otto ~ RHF
.
.
RHF
Driving Down the Road of Life in a Car/Truck
Made-up of the Sum of 1,000,000 Parts all
produced by the Lowest Bidder . . .
.
RHF
> > messagenews:4C41F70A...@Blackhole.NebulaX.com...
>
> >>>> * Solar, Hydrogen and even Hydro are the
> >>>> better answers -not- Batteries of any kind
>
> >> Hydrogen.... exhausts water vapor, water vapor is more of a greenhouse
> >> gas by your standards than CO2.
>
> >> If you drive enough cars through the desert you will raise the humidity
> >> which is the "Water Vapor" that will increase all the dry parts of the
> >> world to have more water vapor and that is more greenhouse gas.
>
> >> Your Solution is worse than the problem.... The cure is worse than the
> >> disease.
>
> >> While you could have made the argument that it would help the USA be
> >> energy self sufficient and that is a good thing, you leftists try to use
> >> the silly *Global Warming myth* as your basis and in that realm it makes
> >> no more sense than Global Warming its self.
>
> > Water vapor is indeed a short term greenhouse gas.. but there is one major
> > difference between water vapor and, say, CO2. Water vapor precipitates out
> > of the atmosphere in a regular cycle.
>
> CO2 is filtered by plants.
>
> The residual heat is what you claim as the DANGER.
>
> > It's called 'rain'.
>
> How will you remove the heat? Why build cars that create a volatile
> temperature?
>
> > It also
> > precipitates out nightly in the form of dew as the humidity reaches 100%.
> > Water vapor does not STAY in the atmosphere permanently.
- My point being that the 30% to 99% rise
You 'point' is trying to Count the Number of Angels
on the Head of a Pin - When the question is :
What Do You Think of the Mona Lisa . . .
http://www.bloglifetime.com/images/blogs/11-2007/different-versions-of-the-mona-lisa.jpg
.
RHF
- Typos and attributes don't make the truth any less true.
Typos and Attributes don't make Lies any less un-true.
.
RHF
> In article <4C4341C1.1000...@Blackhole.NebulaX.com>,
> Beam Me Up Scotty <Then-Destroy-Everyth...@Blackhole.NebulaX.com> wrote:
>
> > > Water vapor is indeed a short term greenhouse gas.. but there is one major
> > > difference between water vapor and, say, CO2. Water vapor precipitates out
> > > of the atmosphere in a regular cycle.
>
> > CO2 is filtered by plants. Co2 is a "trace" gas in air. Why isn't Mars
> > a ball of fire with 98% Co2
>
>
> > How will you remove the heat? Why build cars that create a volatile
> > water vapor and higher temperatures?
>
> the energy of that sunlight + the energy of modern sunlight. Burning fossil
> fuels increases the energy in the biosphere above incident solar radiation.
> Biofuels or other fuels derived from the current sunlight only store the energy
> a year or so; in a steady state the rate of released energy equals the rate of
> energy storage. The water and carbon dioxide oxidised from such fuels was water
> and carbon dioxide a year or so early when the fuel was created. In a steady
> state the amount of water and carbon dioxide do not change.
>
> > My point being that the 30% to 99% rise will more than double the effect
> > of water vapor in the Desert areas. The Average Humidity will be higher
>
> oxidised faster than they are created, this is where any new water, carbon
> dioxide, and energy in the biosphere are coming from.
>
> The water that evaporates from irrigation and other water uses far exceeds fuel
> oxidation.
>
> > Rain every day at 3:00pm is nothing new in Miami but come December that
> > ends till March and for those 4 months humidity drops from 90% to
> > 70%.... If it rained everyday for those 4 months it wouldn't be a big
>
>
> --
> Damn the living - It's a lovely life. I'm whoever you want me to be.
> Silver silverware - Where is the love? At least I can stay in character.
> Oval swimming pool - Where is the love? Annoying Usenet one post at a time.
> Damn the living - It's a lovely life. We support you, Sarah.
A Gasoline/Diesil Fueled Engine producing XXX
Therms per Hour running for YY Hours a Day
with all of it's associated pollution.
A Electro-Hydrogen Fueled Engine producing XXX
Therms per Hour running for YY Hours a Day with
none of the formers associated pollution.
the 'choice' and future is yours ~ RHF
.
RHF
> In article <4C433E68.5070...@Blackhole.NebulaX.com>,
>
> > Recurring green house gas..... according to the theory.
- Then stop burning fossil fuels and emitting all that water vapour.
Then stop breathing and emitting all that water vapour & CO2.
RHF
- Guys, it is all about electricity.
- That is the one common point around
- which everything else depends.
- It is not rocket science.
. . . provided that it is . . .
Renewable Green Electricity :
Solar, Wind, Hydro & Geo-Thermo
.
cuh...@webtv.net
companies.William Jeanes, former Editor in Chief and publisher of Car
And Driver magazine, lives in Ridgeland,Mississippi, suburb city North
side of Jackson.
A few months ago, I read somewhere it will take about twenty four hours
using a 115 volt home battery charger to charge up the battery
(batteries) in those new fangled Nissan Leaf electric cars.About half
that using a 230 volt home charger.Those battery chargers cost over a
thousand dollars.
Who needs that crap? I don't!
Electric cars,,, HUMPH!!!
cuhulin
cuh...@webtv.net
tell you there ain't no magic solution!
Yeah, in fact of the business, I believe William Jeanes is right.
http://www.devilfinder.com
William Jeanes Former Editor in Chief and Publisher of Car and Driver
magazine
I needs to go to the Lowe's store, stopping off first at the Goodwill
store to see what kind of junk I don't need.
http://www.shopgoodwill.com
That married Irish woman wayyyyyyy over yonder across the big pond
always says, You don't need any more junk!
I believe she is right too.
cuhulin
Beam Me Up Scotty
> On Jul 18, 12:31 pm, Bone China Blue <chine.b...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> In article <4C433E68.5070...@Blackhole.NebulaX.com>,
>> Beam Me Up Scotty <Then-Destroy-Everyth...@Blackhole.NebulaX.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> Water vapor is indeed a short term greenhouse gas..
>>
>>> Recurring green house gas..... according to the theory.
>
> - Then stop burning fossil fuels and emitting all that water vapour.
Already done....
> Then stop breathing and emitting all that water vapour & CO2.
>
Soon enough that will happen...
Looks like you're the problem, not me!
cuh...@webtv.net
http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=292931
PANIC! PANIC! PANIC! y'all Clinically Insane democraps and libturds,,,
PANIC! PANIC! PANIC!
http://www.devilfinder.com
Eminent Psychiatrist say democrats and liberals are Clinically Insane
cuhulin
Bill Baka
> - Guys, it is all about electricity.
> - That is the one common point around
> - which everything else depends.
> - It is not rocket science.
>
> . . . provided that it is . . .
> Renewable Green Electricity :
> Solar, Wind, Hydro& Geo-Thermo
> .
>
My comment. Electricity is the one thing that will power everything
else. Get onto some solid ground and start talking about that instead of
trying to compare apples and oranges.
Bill Baka
dave
> Concerning biofuel and electric cars, William Jeanes said, I am here to
> tell you there ain't no magic solution!
>
> Yeah, in fact of the business, I believe William Jeanes is right.
>
> http://www.devilfinder.com
> William Jeanes Former Editor in Chief and Publisher of Car and Driver
> magazine
>
Perhaps because the solution is to eliminate cars and drivers.
RHF
> On 07/19/2010 03:30 AM, RHF wrote:
>
> > - Guys, it is all about electricity.
> > - That is the one common point around
> > - which everything else depends.
> > - It is not rocket science.
>
- - Renewable Green Electricity :
- - Solar, Wind, Hydro& Geo-Thermo
- - .
- My comment. Electricity is the one thing
- that will power everything else. Get onto
- some solid ground and start talking about
- that instead of trying to compare apples
- and oranges.
- Bill Baka
Coal Burning Electrical Power Plants produce
Mega Pollution and that is why Prez Obama
has pledged to shut them down.
Oil Burning Electrical Power Plants also produce
a lot of Pollution and that is why Prez Obama
has pledged to shut them down.
Natural Gas Burning Electrical Power Plants
produce less Pollution and that is why Prez
Obama will let them stay running for now.
Hydro* {Non-Burning} Electrical Power Plants
produce little Pollution and that is why Prez
Obama will let them stay running for now.
* but they destroy the natural watersheds
and river ecosystems
Solar* {Non-Burning} Electrical Power Plants
produce little Pollution and that is why Prez
Obama will get them up and running soon.
* but they destroy the natural environment
with massive arrays covering the landscape
Wind* {Non-Burning} Electrical Power Plants
produce little Pollution and that is why Prez
Obama will get more of them up and running
soon.
* but they destroy the natural environment
with massive towers and blades that kill birds
Geo-Thermo* {Non-Burning} Electrical Power
Plants produce little Pollution and that is why
Prez Obama will get more of them up and
running soon.
* but they have yet unknown natural environment
questions -wrt- earthquakes etc
Most importantly regardless of the Source of
the Electrical Power Prez Obama will use Cap
and Trade to Double [2X] and Triple [3X] every
American's Home Energy Bill with Higher Fees
and Taxes : Prez Obama Will Get More Out of
The American-Tax-Slaves in the name of Global
Social Justice.
BB -wrt- Apples and Oranges :
alas. . . Apples are so crisp to bite into . . .
and Oranges are so juicy to bite into . . .
plus both are a renewable resource ~ RHF
-ps- no batteries {electricity} require
.
Bill Baka
I thought that the source of the power would be a non-polluting kind of
thing. We get energy from the moon in the form of Ocean tides, and this
differential gravity is what powers our Geo-thermal. If you want to get
overly technical it is gravity, and the sun's light that power everything.
Nuclear is the only exception to the rule and eventually we could
exhaust the supply of U-238, then no more nuclear.
Toss those concepts into the mix and it could get interesting.
Bill Baka
dave
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> Solar* {Non-Burning} Electrical Power Plants
> produce little Pollution and that is why Prez
> Obama will get them up and running soon.
> * but they destroy the natural environment
> with massive arrays covering the landscape
Levelised cost
Since a solar power plant does not use any fuel, the cost consists
mostly of capital cost with minor operational and maintenance cost. If
the lifetime of the plant and the interest rate is known, then the cost
per kWh can be calculated. This is called the levelised energy cost.
The first step in the calculation is to determine the investment for the
production of 1 kWh in a year. Example, the fact sheet of the Andasol 1
project shows a total investment of 310 million euros for a production
of 179 GWh a year. Since 179 GWh is 179 million kWh, the investment per
kWh a year production is 310 / 179 = 1.73 euro. Another example is
Cloncurry solar power station in Australia. It is planned to produce 30
million kWh a year for an investment of 31 million Australian dollars.
So, if this is achieved in reality, the cost would be 1.03 Australian
dollar for the production of 1 kWh in a year. This would be
significantly cheaper than Andasol 1, which can partially be explained
by the higher radiation in Cloncurry over Spain. The investment per kwh
cost for one year should not be confused with the cost per kwh over the
complete lifetime of such a plant.
In most cases the capacity is specified for a power plant (for instance
Andasol 1 has a capacity of 50MW). This number is not suitable for
comparison, because the capacity factor can differ. If a solar power
plant has heat storage, then it can also produce output after sunset,
but that will not change the capacity factor, it simply displaces the
output. The average capacity factor for a solar power plant, which is a
function of tracking, shading and location, is about 20%, meaning that a
50MW capacity power plant will typically provide a yearly output of 50
MW × 24 hrs × 365 days × 20% = 87,600 MWh/year, or 87.6 GWh/yr.
Although the investment for one kWh year production is suitable for
comparing the price of different solar power plants, it doesn't give the
price per kWh yet. The way of financing has a great influence on the
final price. If the technology is proven, an interest rate of 7%[69]
should be possible. However, for a new technology investors want a much
higher rate to compensate for the higher risk. This has a significant
negative effect on the price per kWh. Independent of the way of
financing, there is always a linear relation between the investment per
kWh production in a year and the price for 1 kWh (before adding
operational and maintenance cost). In other words, if by enhancements of
the technology the investments drop by 20%, then the price per kWh also
drops by 20%.
If a way of financing is assumed where the money is borrowed and repaid
every year, in such way that the debt and interest decreases, then the
following formula can be used to calculate the division factor: (1 - (1
+ interest / 100) ^ -lifetime) / (interest / 100). For a lifetime of 25
years and an interest rate of 7%, the division factor is 11.65. For
example, the investment of Andasol 1 was 1.73 euro per kWh, divided by
11.65 results in a price of 0.15 euro per kWh. If one cent operation and
maintenance cost is added, then the levelized cost is 0.16 euro per kWh.
Other ways of financing, different way of debt repayment, different
lifetime expectation, different interest rate, may lead to a
significantly different number.
If the cost per kWh may follow the inflation, then the inflation rate
can be added to the interest rate. If an investor puts his money on the
bank for 7%, then he is not compensated for inflation. However, if the
cost per kWh is raised with inflation, then he is compensated and he can
add 2% (a normal inflation rate) to his return. The Andasol 1 plant has
a guaranteed feed-in tariff of 0.21 euro for 25 years. If this number is
fixed, after 25 years with 2% inflation, 0.21 euro will have a value
comparable with 0.13 euro now.
Finally, there is some gap between the first investment and the first
production of electricity. This increases the investment with the
interest over the period that the plant is not active yet. The modular
solar dish (but also solar photovoltaic and wind power) have the
advantage that electricity production starts after first construction.
Given the fact that solar thermal power is reliable, can deliver peak
load and does not cause pollution, a price of US$0.10 per kWh[70] starts
to become competitive. Although a price of US$0.06 has been claimed[71]
With some operational cost a simple target is 1 dollar (or lower)
investment for 1 kWh production in a year.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_thermal_energy#High-temperature_collectors
cuh...@webtv.net
Home Built Electric Cars
I have three sets of detailed plans here which I bought back in the
early 1970's.One of them is about using a govt surplus DC electric motor
in a VW beetle car.The other one is about installing a three cylinder
Yakusa (sompin like dat) diesel engine in a Pinto car, 125 MPG it
says.The other one is about building a double compound compressed air
engine for a weird looking home built bicycle.
Build your own electric cars.Street legal golf carts are available too.
cuhulin