BWHAHAHAHAHAAA! Ohh, the kooktardery!!
The Obama BC insanity keeps on growing!
And so do the laughs.
--
BDK
BDK Klan leader?
kOOk Magnet!
NJJ CLUB #1
Shillmaster
Um ShaKa Do Do !
kook, Kook. KOOK-A-RU !
The real truth will not be 'revealed' until March 2009
and then Joe Biden will step-in as the US President
and Hillary Clinton will become the VP :o)
sounds crazy -but- 'the plan' is working ~ RHF
.
Could you re-post that Google abuse report address?
You plan on turning yourself in for telling folks you had a PhD when you did not
indeed have said PhD?
Cuhulin's URL is an abridgement of this one:
http://www.renewamerica.us/columns/williams/081231
Check out the line about how he wasn't 100% sure about the report,
since he couldn't understand the private investigator over the
phone...
He responds to assholes.
That makes him a proctologist
Some folks will never tolerate a Black president with a Muslim name.
They will continue to spawn new reasons not to accept him as their
president. When one reason falls apart, they'll simply move on to
others.
Michael "I'm a college professor with a PhD" Bryant wrote:
Some folks never tolerated a White President with a last name resembling a lawn
decoration. They continud to spawn new reasons not to accept him as their
President. When one reason fell apart, they simply moved on to
others.
dxAce
Michigan
USA
Just for you MWB ;-}
http://groups.google.com/groups/abuse?group=rec.radio.shortwave
MWB have a Happy, Peaceful and Blessed New Year
.
WE LOVE* OUR PRESIDENT-ELECT OBAMA
* All American Republi-Can-DoDos For Obama
* * All American Christian-True-Believers In Obama
* * * BHO Will Be A Great and Wonderful US President
.
this is 'rhf' and i disapprove of this off-topic message ~ RHF
{ equal dis-opportunity net-nannys-r-us }
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MWB - I am too busy to read anything in this Evil
Negative Anti-Obama Thread : I am casting-out the
Anti-Obama Demons for this Blessed New Year of
Liberalibration© and Democratination© :
Um ShaKa Do Do ! - Be Gone All Ye Obama Haters
Um ShaKa Do Do ! - Vanish All Evil Right-Wing Thinkers
Um ShaKa Do Do ! - Higher Taxes Be Upon The Rich
Rejoice We Are Entering "The Age of Obama-R-Us"©
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/adf9e38db4b4ade7
- - On Dec 31, 3:37 pm, ka6uup <ka6...@comcast.net> wrote:
- - His Mother is/was an American citizen.
- - Therefore he is an American citizen no
- - matter where he was born
Re-Check Your Facts : Not Necessarily True
- Some folks will never tolerate a Black president
- with a Muslim name. They will continue to spawn
- new reasons not to accept him as their president.
- When one reason falls apart, they'll simply move
- on to others.
MWB,
Actually You are Wrong on Both Issues :
MISSTATEMENT # 1 : Obama is "Black"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama
-that would be- wrong, Wrong. WRONG !
MWB - Barack Hussein Obama is 'only' Half {Black}
African {African-African?} from his Father.
MWB - Barack Hussein Obama is "Also" Half {White}
American {Euro-American?} from his Mother
MISSTATEMENT # 2 : Obama's Name is "Muslim"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama
-that would be- wrong, Wrong. WRONG !
http://islam.about.com/od/us2004election/f/obama.htm
MWB - Which part of Barack Hussein Obama 'Legal'
Full and Complete Birth Name is Muslim ?
* First Name : Barack ? - Most Likely IDK ? {Hebrew?}
http://www.babynames.com/name/BARACK
* Middle Name : Hussein ? - Most Likely Muslim
http://www.babynames.com/Names/name_display.php?id=1736
* Last Name : Obama ? - Most Likely African
Family Tribal Origin Name
http://www.babynames.com/Names/name_display.php?id=10152
So in-fact Most Likely 'Part' of His Name is Muslim Only.
Once Again I Am Casting-Out The Obama Misrepresenters
for this Blessed New Year of Liberalibration© and Democratination© :
Um ShaKa Do Do ! - Be Gone All Ye Obama Misrepresenters
Rejoice We Are Entering "The Age of Obama-R-Us"©
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/adf9e38db4b4ade7
.
WE LOVE* OUR PRESIDENT-ELECT OBAMA
* All American Republi-Can-DoDos For Obama
* * All American Christian-True-Believers In Obama
* * * BHO Will Be A Great and Wonderful US President
.
this is 'rhf' and i disapprove of this off-topic message ~ RHF
{ equal dis-opportunity net-nannys-r-us }
-signed- Red King + Army Rule + A Fish
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Ohh goody, let's hear all about the "plan".
Please?
I love a good kookplot.
>> ...
> His Mother is/was an American citizen. Therefore he is an American
> citizen no matter where he was born
I am no attorney. However, I strongly suspect you are correct. Only a
very rudimentary amount of logic need be applied to support your point.
If an American woman (and citizen) gives birth on foreign soil, I don't
see a large battle in attaining American citizenship for the child; I
suspect it is only a formality in completing the proper paperwork.
Certainly American tourists must experience this daily; I have never
heard of any discussion/challenges as to whether the child has a right
to American citizenship, or not ... true, the child may have dual
citizenship, depending on what is recognized by the country of true
physical birth ...
Doesn't the constitution state, " "No person except a natural born
citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption
of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President;
neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have
attained to the age of thirty five years, and been fourteen Years a
resident within the United States."
Since there are NEITHER any "natural born citizens" or even "citizens of
the united states" who were alive at the adoption of that constitution,
STILL ALIVE, it could equally, and with like logic, be argued that no
one has the right of being president of the United States!
So, it would seem, indeed, he IS a natural born citizen ... and, was,
quite NATURALLY, so because his mother was a citizen.
But, this is how fools make lawyers rich, I guess ...
Regards,
JS
>> ...
> His Mother is/was an American citizen. Therefore he is an American
> citizen no matter where he was born
And, since his grandmother was the only one, to my knowledge, to make
any sort of statement which would call his citizenship into question,
and further, seeing how she died so shortly after his visit to her, I
would think only the amount of logic necessary to draw his citizenship
to scrutiny need be applied to argue a nice conspiracy theory here!
Yanno', the coincidence of her dying and eliminating the only eyewitness
... <grin>
Regards,
JS
- Doesn't the constitution state, " "No person except a
- natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States,
- at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall
- be eligible to the office of President;
- neither shall any person be eligible to that office who
- shall not have attained to the age of thirty five years,
- and been fourteen Years a resident within the
- United States."
- Since there are NEITHER any "natural born citizens"
- or even "citizens of the united states" who were alive
- at the adoption of that constitution, STILL ALIVE,
- it could equally, and with like logic, be argued that no
- one has the right of being president of the United States!
JS - In this instance your 'Logic' is clearly Flawed ~ RHF
- So, it would seem, indeed, he IS a natural born citizen ...
- and, was, quite NATURALLY, so because his mother
- was a citizen.
Since Barack Hussein Obama is a Natural Born US
Citizen "By Birth in the State of Hawaii" : I does no
matter that his Mother was a US Citizen; or for that
matter that his Father was a Citizen of Kenya/British.
'natural born by birth' -means- "Natural Born By Birth" [.]
'age of 35 years' -means- 'Age of 35 Years"
- But, this is how fools make lawyers rich, I guess ...
- Regards,
- JS
JS - Now Go Make A Lawyer Rich ;-} ~ RHF
CONCLUSION - Barack Obama is :
1 - A Natural Born US Citizen
2 - Attained the Age of 35 Years
3 - Legally the US President-Elect
.
I am casting-out the Anti-Obama Demons
for this Blessed New Year of Liberalibration©
and Democratination© :
.
Um ShaKa Do Do ! - Be Gone All Ye Obama Haters
.
Um ShaKa Do Do ! - Vanish All Evil Right-Wing Thinkers
.
Um ShaKa Do Do ! - Higher Taxes Be Upon The Rich
.
Rejoice We Are Entering "The Age of Obama-R-Us"©
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/adf9e38db4b4ade7
.
WE LOVE* OUR PRESIDENT-ELECT OBAMA
* All American Republi-Can-DoDos For Obama
* * All American Christian-True-Believers In Obama
* * * BHO Will Be A Great and Wonderful US President
.
this is 'rhf' and i disapprove of this off-topic message ~ RHF
{ equal dis-opportunity net-nannys-r-us }
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The grandmother making the statements that he was born in Kenya was
his father's mother, who is still alive in Kenya. I think she simply
wants to remind people of his Kenyan roots. The fact that birth
announcements from back then were published in Hawaiin newspapers is a
pretty good sign he was born in the US.
Mike
Even for the kooktardish, the Obama BC stuff is lame. I didn't think
that the 911 insanity could be topped, but.........
Even for the kooktardish, the Obama BC stuff is lame. I didn't think
that the 911 insanity could be topped, but.........
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Isn't it funny?? The people who were all over the "Truthers" for being
paranoid kooktard conspiracy theorists are asserting that the State of
Hawaii, the federal government, the FBI and Obama's family of putting
together a conspiracy 48 years ago to get Obama into the White House. Talk
about your conspiratorial loonies!! ROTFLMAO
But, in reality, Barry's mother 'could' have given birth in Kenya and then
returned to the US and had the announcement placed in "Hawaiin" newspapers, Mr.
PhD.
Even had she done so, he would still be a natural born US citizen by virtue
of his mother being an American. Aside from that, she may have been able to
get the paper to post that he was born in Hawaii, but I doubt she could have
talked the hospital or the clerk into issuing a Hawaiian birth certificate.
Brenda Ann wrote:
I don't think that's exactly the way it works. Yes, he might be (or become) a US
citizen, however, if he was *born* in Kenya it would not satisfy the
requirement. There are exceptions of course in that folks can be born overseas
on US bases that would satisfy the requirement. One could (or can be) born on a
US military ship and be considered a natural born US citizen as such ship is
considered to be merely an extension of US territory.
> Aside from that, she may have been able to
> get the paper to post that he was born in Hawaii, but I doubt she could have
> talked the hospital or the clerk into issuing a Hawaiian birth certificate.
While I've not seen a copy of the announcement, I seem to recall hearing that no
mention was made in said announcement as to where the birth took place.
In the paper, I suppose, one could merely announce that "Mr. and Mrs. XYZ would
like to announce the birth of a son, 'BongoDrum', on April 1st".
Who knows exactly what the certificate says? Last I heard, those records were
sealed.
I'm not pro or con to the theories, just trying to figure out what the 'reality'
may or may not be.
Pretty close to that:
Mr. and Mrs. Barack H. Obama, 6085 Kalanianaoie Hwy., Son, Aug. 4.
From the Sunday Advertiser, Aug. 13, 1961, Pp. B-6, Health Bureau Statistics
(which infers to me that it was not the parents, but the state/county Health
Bureau that sent the information to the paper.
Brenda Ann wrote:
And that could perhaps only be a case of them (the Obama's) going to the
state/county and registering said birth. Note that no mention being made of the
*location* of said birth.
Could be interesting to say the least if at some point in time it were to be
discovered that Barry was not born in the USA.
Looking forward to the riots,
dxAce
Michigan
USA
Maybe you should pursue some education of yourself, Steve. Your grasp
of the issue isn't very sharp.
Why would America riot if Obama wasn't born in the US? Are you saying
you'd be rioting? That might really pump up military recruitment!
Nah, think I'll just lie about having a PhD like you did, boy!
> Your grasp
> of the issue isn't very sharp.
Better than yours, boy!
>
>
> Why would America riot if Obama wasn't born in the US?
America, or certain <ahem> elements within the USA?
> Are you saying
> you'd be rioting?
No, learn some comprehension skills, oh faux one.
> That might really pump up military recruitment!
Yep, it just might.
>
> Looking forward to the riots,
>
> dxAce
> Michigan
> USA
>
>
The only riots will be the ones started by the government so they will
have an excuse to declare martial law.
- Even had she done so, he would still be a
- natural born US citizen by virtue of his mother
- being an American. Aside from that, she may
- have been able to get the paper to post that he
- was born in Hawaii, but I doubt she could have
- talked the hospital or the clerk into issuing a
- Hawaiian birth certificate.
BAD,
NO the Term is Specific "Natural Born Citizen"
meaning that the person was Born in the USA.
Note : That an Illegal Alien Invader is just that
-but- Their Child which is in-fact Born in the
USA "IS" a "Natural Born Citizen" and when
that Child reaches the Age of 35 Years are
'qualified' to be the President of the USA.
It ain't about Obama's White American Mother
It ain't about Obama's Black African Father
It is simply about Barack Hussein Obama being
Born in the State of Hawaii and BEING a 100%
"Natural Born Citizen" of the USA : WHICH HE IS [.]
.
(OT) : 2009 Politics - Barack Obama is a "Natural
Born Citizen" of the USA and has Attained the Age
of 35 Years thus is Legally the US President-Elect
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/a6d36baf9d8c638b
- Could be interesting to say the least if at
- some point in time it were to be discovered
- that Barry was not born in the USA.
-
- Looking forward to the riots,
-
- dxAce
- Michigan
- USA
kooks, Kooks. KOOKS-A-RU !
Well, the quality of your one-liners certainly hasn't improven. And
the real issue isn't whether he was born on US soil.
BrendaAnn is right - I think most of these challenges to Obama's
citizenship do assume an incredible amount of collaboration and
conspiracy to cover-up a foreign birth. I do think, however, that the
Donofrio (Google it, Steve) variant of the Berg challenge is a better
route if you really want to press a case. That variant admits he was
born in Hawaii, but claims he was a British citizen, since his father
was a British citizen, as Kenya was a British commonwealth at Obama's
birth. The reason his mother didn't make him American was a law, now
overturned and no longer in effect, that, in effect caused his mother
to have forfeited her US citizenship by marrying a foreign citizen, at
her age, something about "5 years past 14." In other words, his
mother was a few months too young to legally still be considered a US
citizen, thus being unable to pass US citizenship rights to Obama.
Convoluted and reliant on a law that was replaced only a year or so
after Obama's birth.
The Supreme Court ignored the argument and dismissed the case for lack
of standing. I've heard some very technical and legalistic discussions
on this case and while I can understand why the Supreme Court won't
attempt to overrule a popular election, there might be a defendable
legal case buried in there...
Nineteen out of twenty media references to this case don't explain the
exact chain of logic laid out in the case. It has nothing to do with
fake birth certificates or whether he was born in Kenya or Indonesia.
Hope the Holidays treated you well, Steve.
Mike
- The only riots will be the ones started by
- the government so they will have an excuse
- to declare martial law.
Dave - We Won't Be Calling It Martial Law :
We Will Be Calling It : THE LAW OF DAVID !
That Posses the Off-Topic (OT) Question :
"In Your Opinion"
Will There Be Riots and Martial Law -=IF=-
Obama Is Removed From The US Presidency ?
imho - it all depends on obama himself ~ RHF
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I didn't like your subject line
MWB - This is the one that you posted to :
(OT) : 2009 Politics - Barack Obama is a Natural Born US Citizen and
has Attained the Age of 35 Years thus is Legally the US President-
Elect
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/7a84e5ea2af1c3b6
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/a6d36baf9d8c638b
.
MWB - I think that this is the one you meant to post to :
(OT) : Will There Be Riots and Martial Law
-IF- Obama Is Removed From The US Presidency ?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/00209190ea5a19ad
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
WHICH POSED THIS QUESTION :
That Posses the Off-Topic (OT) Question :
- = In Your Opinion = -
Will There Be Riots and Martial Law -=IF=-
Obama Is Removed From The US Presidency ?
imho - it all depends on obama himself ~ RHF
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
.
Stay with me MWB or you will confuse yourself
and be as confused as me ;;-} ~ RHF
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Indonesia? Heck, you'd better study up, fake PhD Boy!
That's not right. It is determined by place of birth. It was never
intended that the President or Vice President be born elsewhere. Also
the positions require that you spend the last 14 years in the USA.
The "rules" have reasoning behind them if you have any question of what
the intent was behind the law but if you want to pull a Clinton and
redefine "is" you can make anything out of it you want.
--
Telamon
Ventura, California
< SNIP >
That's a bunch of BS and shame on you for employing a lame debate tactic
of framing the opposing side's argument as nearly an impossible thing.
And Brenda is flat wrong on this as is yourself.
The conspiracy is nothing more than two people having a child overseas,
coming to the USA and having the birth recorded in Hawaii. It may be an
incredible collaboration to you but pretty simple thing to most people.
--
Telamon
Ventura, California
They are about to have a riot in the Senate over the chosen one's seat.
--
Telamon
Ventura, California
> .
Well, certainly answers my question, "How high a floor does his elevator
reach?"
Regards,
JS
> ...
> The grandmother making the statements that he was born in Kenya was
> his father's mother, who is still alive in Kenya. I think she simply
> ...
> Mike
Thanks for that clarification; as you could tell, I was confused on
that point.
However, the whole point of my statement was to point out the insanity
in "their" arguments--it failed there also ... ;-)
Regards,
JS
> ...
> Even had she done so, he would still be a natural born US citizen by virtue
> of his mother being an American. Aside from that, she may have been able to
> get the paper to post that he was born in Hawaii, but I doubt she could have
> talked the hospital or the clerk into issuing a Hawaiian birth certificate.
>
>
Brenda:
I think you stand on the right side of common sense and logic; and,
most likely, John McCain would have faced the same challenge(s):
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/582683/despite_being_born_in_panama_is_john.html
Regards,
JS
> On Jan 2, 8:24?pm, John Smith <assemblywiz...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > ka6uup wrote:
> >
> > ?>> ...
> >
> > > His Mother is/was an American citizen. Therefore he is an American
> > > citizen no matter where he was born
> >
> > And, since his grandmother was the only one, to my knowledge, to make
> > any sort of statement which would call his citizenship into question,
> > and further, seeing how she died so shortly after his visit to her, I
> > would think only the amount of logic necessary to draw his citizenship
> > to scrutiny need be applied to argue a nice conspiracy theory here!
> > Yanno', the coincidence of her dying and eliminating the only eyewitness
> > ... <grin>
> >
>
> The grandmother making the statements that he was born in Kenya was
> his father's mother, who is still alive in Kenya. I think she simply
> wants to remind people of his Kenyan roots. The fact that birth
> announcements from back then were published in Hawaiin newspapers is a
> pretty good sign he was born in the US.
What what you imagine or think is not reality.
--
Telamon
Ventura, California
Wrong on both counts.
--
Telamon
Ventura, California
> It may be an incredible collaboration to you but pretty simple thing
> to most people.
Possibly you are interpreting his statement the wrong way. I -don't-
think he means an "incredible collaboration" would have been required at
the time of birth.
Rather, he may be referring to the "incredible collaboration" that would
be required to keep it covered up *TODAY*.
Um ShaKa Do Do ! - Be Gone "JS" ~ RHF
.
That's the neat thing about "intentionally" introducing an error or
falsity into the database or history of an event as it does not need any
more support to propagate its existence. Conversely it takes effort to
find the error and correct it so you got it backward. Think about it.
--
Telamon
Ventura, California
Eisenhower was probably the best president we have had in recent history
but I would rather have had George S. Patton.
--
Telamon
Ventura, California
Half black, half white, and all ZERO
--
Telamon
Ventura, California
Where do you people come up with this insanity?
--
BDK
BDK Klan leader?
kOOk Magnet!
NJJ CLUB #1
Shillmaster
Everywhere I've lived, the hospital sends the info to the paper every
couple of days, and then the paper publishes it, along with traffic
accidents, coroner reports, and a few other things.
I've seen my own, and several friends announcements on microfiche at the
library. The Obama "fake" BC story only has any validity in the demented
minds of the kooktardish.
Don't let yourself become one of those clowns.
I've seen at least one kooker claim that he was born in Indonesia.
Never underestimate the kookiness of the kooktards.
You're about as simple as they come, Telemundo. When will you figure out
this is a totally bogus story. He was born in Hawaii, sane folks have no
doubt, and even many of the other kooktards have given up on it.
Isn't it time to do something sort of sane for once in your life?
BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Holy shit! Don't you get tired from all the tap
dancing you're doing to keep this nonsense going?
Apparently your meds aren't.
Isn't it time to finally quit drinking?
I wouldn't talk if I was you, Telemundo. You're nearly as far gone as he
is.
No, you're just a crazy old drunk.
Well, I'm sure they don't like trailer trash like you, either.
How would you know about reality, Telemundo?
Try and pay attention.
You will notice I'm not the one keeping it going. I'm responding to
other posts on the topic, OK Kookaburra?
Thanks for the laugh.
--
Telamon
Ventura, California
The truth is not complicated but as time goes on keeping lies going gets
harder to do.
> When will you figure out this is a totally bogus story. He was born
> in Hawaii, sane folks have no doubt, and even many of the other
> kooktards have given up on it.
I'm not saying it is true or not. I don't think believing the story
makes one a KOOK. However, a person being so sure one way or the other
clearly is a KOOK.
> Isn't it time to do something sort of sane for once in your life?
What would a Kookaburra suggest?
--
Telamon
Ventura, California
> In article <telamon_spamshield-0F8CB3.18595703012009
> @newsclstr02.news.prodigy.com>,
> telamon_s...@pacbell.net.is.invalid says...
> > In article <19664-495...@storefull-3172.bay.webtv.net>,
> > cuh...@webtv.net wrote:
> >
> > > B HO is part black/part white,,, part white/part black.That doesn't
> > > bother me, other than the fact he is ineligble to be prez of U.S.A.
> > > cuhulin
> >
> > Half black, half white, and all ZERO
> >
> >
>
> I wouldn't talk if I was you, Telemundo. You're nearly as far gone as he
> is.
I thank God every day I'm not you Mr. Kookaburra. I think I could do a
better job than Zero.
--
Telamon
Ventura, California
Based on your posting history I have you beat by a mile.
--
Telamon
Ventura, California
LOL, another smoking irony meter..
Is that what you have been smoking? Explains your posts.
--
Telamon
Ventura, California
kooks, Kooks. KOOKS-A-RU !
[ No Meds Required ]
That Posses the Off-Topic (OT) Question :
- = In Your Opinion = -
[ What's Your Opinion ? ]
Will There Be Riots and Martial Law -=IF=-
Obama Is Removed From The US Presidency ???
imho - it all depends on obama himself ~ RHF
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
.
Stay with me BDK or you will confuse yourself
and be as confused as me ;;-} ~ RHF
.
What are you going to do when it doesn't happen?
WTF is there to be confused about????
BDK - Either way whether it happens or not :
I Do Nothing -cause- I may be crazy
-but- I AM NOT THAT CRAZY ~ RHF
.
It would seem as if the group, "Stupid people for republicans and John
McCain" are still alive and well.
Obama takes us back towards sanity--he must be stopped! Where are our
republi-crat heroes?;
http://www.boston.com/news/politics/politicalintelligence/2009/01/obama_announces_1.html
Republicans don't want you to participate in your own government. They
want to take care of you (at a cost, of course.) They will need your
money to do that--so relax, go home, go to bed, don't worry about it, be
prepared for the "republican plan" when they take back control, and, of
course, send them more of your money! They'll need that; they are like
that, yanno?
Damn democrats anyway! Who are they to ask us to participate in our own
government! ROFLOL
Regards,
JS
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi plans to re-write House rules today to ensure
that the Republican minority is unable to have any influence on legislation.
Pelosi's proposals are so draconian, and will so polarize the Capitol, that
any thought President-elect Obama has of bipartisan cooperation will be
rendered impossible before he even takes office.
Pelosi's rule changes -- which may be voted on today -- will reverse the
fairness rules that were written around Newt Gingrich's "Contract with
America."
In reaction, the House Republican leadership is sending a letter today to
Pelosi to object to changes to House Rules this week that would bar
Republicans from offering alternative bills, amendments to Democrat bills or
even the guarantee of open debate accessible by motions to recommit for any
piece of legislation during the entire 111th Congress. These procedural
abuses, as outlined in the below letter obtained by HUMAN EVENTS, would also
include the repeal of six-year limit for committee chairmen and other House
Rules reform measures enacted in 1995 as part of the Contract with America.
After decades of Democrat control of the House of Representatives, gross
abuses to the legislative process and several high-profile scandals
contributed to an overwhelming Republican House Congressional landslide
victory in 1994. Reforms to the House Rules as part of the Contract with
America were designed to open up to public scrutiny what had become under
this decades-long Democrat majority a dangerously secretive House
legislative process. The Republican reform of the way the House did business
included opening committee meetings to the public and media, making Congress
actually subject to federal law, term limits for committee chairmen ending
decades-long committee fiefdoms, truth in budgeting, elimination of the
committee proxy vote, authorization of a House audit, specific requirements
for blanket rules waivers, and guarantees to the then-Democrat minority
party to offer amendments to pieces of legislation.
Pelosi's proposed repeal of decades-long House accountability reforms
exposes a tyrannical Democrat leadership poised to assemble legislation in
secret, then goose-step it through Congress by the elimination of debate and
amendment procedures as part of America's governing legislative process.
I'll wait and see. I would make a small bet that you start tap dancing
almost as soon as the swearing in is complete. I hope your tap dancin'
shoes are in good shape.
> ...
> House Speaker Nancy Pelosi plans to re-write House rules today to ensure
> that the Republican minority is unable to have any influence on legislation.
> Pelosi's proposals are so draconian, and will so polarize the Capitol, that
> any thought President-elect Obama has of bipartisan cooperation will be
> rendered impossible before he even takes office.
> ...
Well, I might be more worried, but a republican president got us here,
and I didn't see any republican public servants of mine raising an alarm
... so, if Obama gives 'em the finger and goes directly to the people,
it would be worth a try ...
> Pelosi's rule changes -- which may be voted on today -- will reverse the
> fairness rules that were written around Newt Gingrich's "Contract with
> America."
>
Personally, I hope Newt-the-newt burns in hell. He is still attempting
to have no change and take us though more of the hell we have gone
through in the last eight years! How he is going to sell the public
that "things have been done right" will be interesting to see ...
frankly, I am ready to call the man a liar, crook and jerk!
> In reaction, the House Republican leadership is sending a letter today to
> Pelosi to object to changes to House Rules this week that would bar
> Republicans from offering alternative bills, amendments to Democrat bills or
> even the guarantee of open debate accessible by motions to recommit for any
> piece of legislation during the entire 111th Congress. These procedural
> abuses, as outlined in the below letter obtained by HUMAN EVENTS, would also
> include the repeal of six-year limit for committee chairmen and other House
> Rules reform measures enacted in 1995 as part of the Contract with America.
>
I am not aware of this; I will have to do some research. But, me
thinks the republicans have been so quick to cry wolf that not much
attention is paid them, anymore ... as far as the bills goes--there
needs to be one simple law, the bills are either wholly accepted or
wholly rejected ... if just one thing ain't right, go back and rewrite it!
These "geniuses" keep telling us they are the best ... krist, I'd
suspect my garbage man could have done a lot of damage, however, if you
rounded up all the alcoholics, drug addicts, criminals, nuts, etc., I
think they could have done a comparable job of creating a mess like this!
I am damn pissed when my politicians are printing IOU's (in the form of
dollar bills) which my grandchildren and great grandchildren will be
left to pay off!
> After decades of Democrat control of the House of Representatives, gross
> abuses to the legislative process and several high-profile scandals
> contributed to an overwhelming Republican House Congressional landslide
> victory in 1994. Reforms to the House Rules as part of the Contract with
> America were designed to open up to public scrutiny what had become under
> this decades-long Democrat majority a dangerously secretive House
> legislative process. The Republican reform of the way the House did business
> included opening committee meetings to the public and media, making Congress
> actually subject to federal law, term limits for committee chairmen ending
> decades-long committee fiefdoms, truth in budgeting, elimination of the
> committee proxy vote, authorization of a House audit, specific requirements
> for blanket rules waivers, and guarantees to the then-Democrat minority
> party to offer amendments to pieces of legislation.
>
I can't even tell the difference between republican criminals and
democratic crooks anymore! When you get down to trying to figure out
who did the most damage here, democrats or republicans, it is a flip of
the coin!
You would be hard pressed to convince me that ANYTHING done over the
last 30+ years has improved my life, my families lives, my friends
lives, my neighbors lives, etc. Indeed, most of my friends who are
around my age are wondering how they are going to replace their
retirement funds ... they feel as if they have been robbed ... I will
feel better when these republicans and democrats start imprisoning and
hanging the criminals--bipartisan-ly!
> Pelosi's proposed repeal of decades-long House accountability reforms
> exposes a tyrannical Democrat leadership poised to assemble legislation in
> secret, then goose-step it through Congress by the elimination of debate and
> amendment procedures as part of America's governing legislative process.
Well, I would certainly hate to see any more secrecy, control by big
brother, more cameras by big brother, more thought control laws, more
fear, more unsafe streets, more poverty, more lack of health care, more
poor performance of our schools, more deterioration of public
roads-water-sewer-power-infrastructure, etc. ... everything Obama is
saying and doing, at this time, certainly is not along your fears ...
however, it is always good to keep watch.
After a year, a person should be able to make some sort of rational
appraisment(s) of his performance--say around the middle of January 2010 ...
Regards,
JS
BDK,
I case you missed it in the prior message.
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
BDK - Either way whether it happens or not :
I Do Nothing -cause- I may be crazy
-but- I AM NOT THAT CRAZY ~ RHF
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
my 'tap' dance is over - already ~ RHF
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I'll have to see it to believe it. Take that as you will..
- After a year, a person should be able to make some
- sort of rational appraisment(s) of his performance --
- say around the middle of January 2010 ...
-
- Regards,
- JS
JS,
Yeah - Around JAN 2010 it will 'officially'
become : Blame Obama Time !
Hey Kids What Time Is It . . .
it's blame obama time,
It's Blame Obama Time.
IT'S BLAME OBAMA TIME !
give obama a year to set things right again
and after that . . . either heap-on the praise
or pile-on the blame ~ RHF
.
>
> Pelosi's proposed repeal of decades-long House accountability reforms
> exposes a tyrannical Democrat leadership poised to assemble legislation in
> secret, then goose-step it through Congress by the elimination of debate and
> amendment procedures as part of America's governing legislative process.
>
Wow! Elections have consequences; who 'da thunk it?
Change and Hope, LOL!
That's what they told Attila the Hun and Genghis Kahn, too.
History is on the side of "might is Right" and not peace marches.
- - - - Wow! Elections have consequences; who 'da thunk it?
- - - Change and Hope, LOL!
- - Beats the fuck out of Shock and Awe.
- - Warmongers will atone.
- That's what they told Attila the Hun and Genghis Kahn, too.
- History is on the side of "might is Right"
- and not peace marches.
Just Don't Forget There Can Be "Mighty Peace Marches"
http://en.epochtimes.com/news_images/2005-1-16-mlk.jpg
Of The People & By The People & For The People
http://www.gwu.edu/~erpapers/humanrights/timeline/gandhi-india.jpg
The Power of the People is The People Themselves
Every Man and Women in Uniform has Family and
Friends at Home Who Want Them Home Safe Living
in a Free America that is At-Peace-With-The-World.
amen, Amen. and AMEN ! - http://tinyurl.com/8nlqx2
let us wage peace around the world ~ RHF
http://www.visionaryshirts.com/thumbs/WAGE%20PEACE%20SAM.jpg
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America = Strength + Unity + Change = World Peace
http://www.timeless-ink-press.com/World-Peace.gif
US President-Elect Barack Hussein Obama
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History is written by the winners..
Christ told us that the meek shall inherit the earth. God told us 'thou
shalt not kill'. Now, I know that a lot of people will point out various
battles in the Bible.. but to me, at least, those four words are pretty
succint. As the AFN TV ads say about the UCMJ.. no room for fudge factor
when taken at face value.
> Eisenhower was probably the best president we have had in recent history
> but I would rather have had George S. Patton.
That's why they killed him.
mike
> ...
> give obama a year to set things right again
> and after that . . . either heap-on the praise
> or pile-on the blame ~ RHF
> .
Uh, no. It will simply be time to ask, "Has the man broke with
tradition and is carrying out what is good for Americans? Is his
proposals, and efforts in this same direction(s)?
If so, IT WILL be time to call for the heads of those attempting to
thwart fixes which are attempting to restore quality of life, and a
general well being for all Americans ...
Regards,
JS
> ...
> History is written by the winners..
>
> Christ told us that the meek shall inherit the earth. God told us 'thou
> shalt not kill'. Now, I know that a lot of people will point out various
> battles in the Bible.. but to me, at least, those four words are pretty
> succint. As the AFN TV ads say about the UCMJ.. no room for fudge factor
> when taken at face value.
>
>
Funny, but I am sure there is a disclaimer in Gods words: "Thou shalt
not kill", and that would be, "unless they are shooting at you, etc. ..."
Of course, we Catholics are that way, yanno'? <wink>
Regards,
JS
I thought the Church quit giving out dispensations a long time ago (wasn't
that the primary reason for the unpleasantness with Martin Luther?).
>
> That's what they told Attila the Hun and Genghis Kahn, too.
>
> History is on the side of "might is Right" and not peace marches.
Tell it to Jesus Christ.
That's why Gandhi, King Jr. and Mandella have such shoddy reputations.
This statement explains a lot about you Mr. Gleason.
That would be "indulgences" being sold by the church to "forgive any
sins" if you had the money!
- - RHF wrote:
- - give obama a year to set things right again
- - and after that . . . either heap-on the praise
- - or pile-on the blame ~ RHF
- Uh, no. It will simply be time to ask, "Has the man broke with
- tradition and is carrying out what is good for Americans? Is his
- proposals, and efforts in this same direction(s)?
-
- If so, IT WILL be time to call for the heads of those
- attempting to thwart fixes which are attempting to
- restore quality of life, and a general well being for
- all Americans ...
-
- Regards,
- JS
JS, 'call for the heads'
So you see Barack Hussein Obama as America's
Hugo Chivas or another Fidel Castro ?
Abolish Congress and Acting By Presidential Decree !
it boggles the mind ~ RHF
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=PS= Let Us Hope and Pray the our new US President
Barack Hussein Obama and the Democrat Controlled
US Congress Lead by Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid can
fix the America's Financial Problems in the next Year or
Two : Otherwise We Will All Suffer Through It and They
Will Have Hell To Pay in the November 2010 Elections.
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