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What I Told You Already Two Thousand Years Ago... Plato's Republic

21 August 2007
{HRI 20070821-V1.0.1}

(suitable for foreign
language students)

'

The intelligent and well-educated, faithful reader, will have noticed,
that several things I intend and that I have told you now in the
Human Rights Issues, I also said - and intended - over two thousand
years ago,

in the Academy, of Athens, Greece: *(1)(2)

'

'Until philosophers are kings, or the kings and princes of this
world have the spirit and power of philosophy, and political
greatness and wisdom, meet in one,

and, until those commoner natures,

those who pursue either greatness only, or wisdom
only, one to the exclusion of the other, until
those

are compelled to stand aside,

until then,

cities will never have rest from their evils - no, nor
the human race, as I believe - and

only then will our State have a possibility of life and behold
the light of day.' *(0)

Plato: The Republic - Book V

'

And with the years, one gets wiser, as the proverb - exceptionally,
and fortunately for you - proves correct at this time. *(1)

'

Koos Nolst Trenite 'Cause Trinity'
human rights philosopher and poet

'Men of all nations came
to listen to Solomon's wisdom,
sent by all the kings of the world,
who had heard of his wisdom.'

_________
Footnotes:

(0) 'Human Rights Issues Checklist up to 17 August 2007
(provisional working copy only)'
(17 August 2007)
http://www.angelfire.com/space/platoword

(1) 'Koos Nolst Trenite - 'The Mafia Code Against Mankind'
V2.1.txt.nfo'
(Introduction to 'The Mafia Code Against Mankind'
{HRI 20021018-V2.1} )
(12 Aug 2007)
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics/msg/0c0ac2bef1c56fc4

(2) 'The Mafia Code Against Mankind'
{HRI 20021018-V2.1}
(18 October 2002 - V2.1 on 12 Aug 2007)
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics/msg/4cbda7801312876f

(3) 'Leonardo Da Vinci - About Aliens, Dimensions, Consciousness,
Time, And Earth's Past And Future'
{HRI 20040829-V3.4.3}
(29 August 2004 - Version 3.4.3 on 18 May 2006)
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.writing/msg/d986639cd9593ee1
'

__________
References:

'Definition of Peace'
{HRI 20070520-V2.1.1}
(20 May 2007 - Version 2.1.1 on 28 May 2007)
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.military/msg/5405ad9ec2d027a2

'Explaining the First International Law (FIL)'
{HRI-20070531-V1.3}
(31 May 2007 - Version 1.3 on 1 June 2007)
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.military.naval/msg/0de212a593c77d24

'The First International Law' (FIL)
{HRI 20021124-V2.0.2}
(24 November 2002 - Version 2.0.2 on 10 Aug 2007)
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.military/msg/48d9132192eaf221

'The Feeling "When God Has Left You..."
- Introduction to 'What is Hell' '
{HRI 20031124-V3.2}
(24 November 2003 - Version 3.2 on 16 May 2005)
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.religion/msg/3c6799e5a78fbda5

'A Poem Of Love And Adventure'
{HRI 20020717-V3.1.1}
(17 July 2002 - Version 3.1.1 on 4 June 2007)
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy/msg/068ab16e8dbce27a

'Defining Love And Hate - A Law Of Life'
{HRI 20020729-V2.0}
(29 July 2002 - Version 2.0i on 7 January 2003)
http://groups.google.com/group/Koos-Nolst-Trenite/msg/40d2a6d4cadc84b1

'Plato On Making Love - And Defining Loneliness'
{HRI 20041114-V2.2.1}
(14 November 2004 - Version 2.2.1 on 28 May 2007)
http://groups.google.com/group/uk.politics.misc/msg/fcb838f7c6a1e346
{HRI 20041114-V2.0-UAA}
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.education/msg/ebdd8f227dd037e2

'YOUR Role on Earth - A Very Simple Observation'
{HRI 20070629-II-V2.1-Q1-V3.2}
(2 July 2007 - Version 3.2 on 1 Aug 2007)
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.military.naval/msg/40b086a7aab7c87b

'Penetrating and Exposing Hinduism and Buddhism'
{HRI 20060816-V5.0}
(16 August 2006 - Version 5.0 on 1 Nov 2006)
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.japan/msg/ccbd175e3fca1cdc

'Learning, Teaching and Schools'
{HRI 20060815-V3.0}
(15 Aug 2006 - Version 3.0 on 20 Aug 2006)
(Taken from 'Koos Nolst Trenite Anecdotes
- Zero Tolerance for Evil Impulses - etc.')
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.japan/msg/d625a8b0661c944d
{HRI 20060815-V1.1.1-UAA}
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.education/msg/548f10997784fe0a

'The 'Michelson and Morley religion' - Carl Sagan, the deceased
science "educator" and TV personality, is a Criminal Mind'
(12 August 2006 - Version 1.1 on 13 Aug 2006)
http://groups.google.com/group/Fine-Particle-Physics/msg/ff4cbfe212281463

'Resolving Identity Energy, of 'being Socrates' '
{FPP 20070809}
(9 August 2007)
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.magick/msg/c2a29dfdf2e0aef5

'Living In The Present - Definition'
{HRI 20030102-V3.1}
(2 Jan 2003 - Version 3.1 on 14 July 2007)
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.military.naval/msg/a269b01624b7e47f
'

____________
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http://www.angelfire.com/space/platoworld

Copyright (as applicable) 2007 by Koos Nolst Trenite - human rights
philosopher and poet
This is 'learnware' - it may not be altered, and it is free for
anyone who learns from it and (even if he can not learn from it)
who passes it on unaltered, and with this message included,
to others who might be able to learn from it.
None of my writings may be used, ever, to support any political
or religious or scientific agenda, but only to educate, and to
encourage people to judge un-dominated and for themselves,
about any organizations or individuals.
Send free-of-Envy and free-of-Hate, Beautiful e-mails to:
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the Bede

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Aug 22, 2007, 12:38:10 AM8/22/07
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Republic is crap. You'd know that if you'd read Laws.


Archie Leach

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Aug 22, 2007, 1:16:51 AM8/22/07
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Leonardo Been <leonar...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>What I Told You Already Two Thousand Years Ago...<SLAP>

How's your family doing, Spammer K00k Nutball Triniturd?


Leonardo Been

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Aug 22, 2007, 4:38:15 AM8/22/07
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Sociopaths consider any accurate knowledge about a person's past,
to constitute a grave and exceeding danger to them - quite
understandably, of course, if you know or guess THEIR past.

In fact, they consider ANY accurate knowledge about ANY person,
a grave danger, and so they want, that "truth must be relative,"
and never accurately stated - yes, "must always be lied about."

'

Indeed, these things are not written to please any sociopaths,
of course.
Therefore, such individuals should filter out any posts by
Koos Nolst Trenite, or posted under his pseudonym Leonardo Been.

'

Koos Nolst Trenite, or "Cause Trinity" as they call him in English
language areas, is arguably the most intelligent and beautiful,

> (17 August 2007)http://www.angelfire.com/space/platoword


>
> (1) 'Koos Nolst Trenite - 'The Mafia Code Against Mankind'
> V2.1.txt.nfo'
> (Introduction to 'The Mafia Code Against Mankind'
> {HRI 20021018-V2.1} )

> (12 Aug 2007)http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics/msg/0c0ac2bef1c56fc4


>
> (2) 'The Mafia Code Against Mankind'
> {HRI 20021018-V2.1}

> (18 October 2002 - V2.1 on 12 Aug 2007)http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics/msg/4cbda7801312876f


>
> (3) 'Leonardo Da Vinci - About Aliens, Dimensions, Consciousness,
> Time, And Earth's Past And Future'
> {HRI 20040829-V3.4.3}

> (29 August 2004 - Version 3.4.3 on 18 May 2006)http://groups.google.com/group/misc.writing/msg/d986639cd9593ee1


> '
>
> __________
> References:
>
> 'Definition of Peace'
> {HRI 20070520-V2.1.1}

> (20 May 2007 - Version 2.1.1 on 28 May 2007)http://groups.google.com/group/alt.military/msg/5405ad9ec2d027a2


>
> 'Explaining the First International Law (FIL)'
> {HRI-20070531-V1.3}

> (31 May 2007 - Version 1.3 on 1 June 2007)http://groups.google.com/group/sci.military.naval/msg/0de212a593c77d24


>
> 'The First International Law' (FIL)
> {HRI 20021124-V2.0.2}

> (24 November 2002 - Version 2.0.2 on 10 Aug 2007)http://groups.google.com/group/alt.military/msg/48d9132192eaf221


>
> 'The Feeling "When God Has Left You..."
> - Introduction to 'What is Hell' '
> {HRI 20031124-V3.2}

> (24 November 2003 - Version 3.2 on 16 May 2005)http://groups.google.com/group/alt.religion/msg/3c6799e5a78fbda5


>
> 'A Poem Of Love And Adventure'
> {HRI 20020717-V3.1.1}

> (17 July 2002 - Version 3.1.1 on 4 June 2007)http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy/msg/068ab16e8dbce27a


>
> 'Defining Love And Hate - A Law Of Life'
> {HRI 20020729-V2.0}

> (29 July 2002 - Version 2.0i on 7 January 2003)http://groups.google.com/group/Koos-Nolst-Trenite/msg/40d2a6d4cadc84b1


>
> 'Plato On Making Love - And Defining Loneliness'
> {HRI 20041114-V2.2.1}

> (14 November 2004 - Version 2.2.1 on 28 May 2007)http://groups.google.com/group/uk.politics.misc/msg/fcb838f7c6a1e346


> {HRI 20041114-V2.0-UAA}http://groups.google.com/group/misc.education/msg/ebdd8f227dd037e2
>
> 'YOUR Role on Earth - A Very Simple Observation'
> {HRI 20070629-II-V2.1-Q1-V3.2}

> (2 July 2007 - Version 3.2 on 1 Aug 2007)http://groups.google.com/group/sci.military.naval/msg/40b086a7aab7c87b


>
> 'Penetrating and Exposing Hinduism and Buddhism'
> {HRI 20060816-V5.0}

> (16 August 2006 - Version 5.0 on 1 Nov 2006)http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.japan/msg/ccbd175e3fca1cdc


>
> 'Learning, Teaching and Schools'
> {HRI 20060815-V3.0}
> (15 Aug 2006 - Version 3.0 on 20 Aug 2006)
> (Taken from 'Koos Nolst Trenite Anecdotes

> - Zero Tolerance for Evil Impulses - etc.')http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.japan/msg/d625a8b0661c944d


> {HRI 20060815-V1.1.1-UAA}http://groups.google.com/group/alt.education/msg/548f10997784fe0a
>
> 'The 'Michelson and Morley religion' - Carl Sagan, the deceased
> science "educator" and TV personality, is a Criminal Mind'

> (12 August 2006 - Version 1.1 on 13 Aug 2006)http://groups.google.com/group/Fine-Particle-Physics/msg/ff4cbfe21228...


>
> 'Resolving Identity Energy, of 'being Socrates' '
> {FPP 20070809}

> (9 August 2007)http://groups.google.com/group/alt.magick/msg/c2a29dfdf2e0aef5


>
> 'Living In The Present - Definition'
> {HRI 20030102-V3.1}

> (2 Jan 2003 - Version 3.1 on 14 July 2007)http://groups.google.com/group/sci.military.naval/msg/a269b01624b7e47f

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Aug 22, 2007, 10:20:09 AM8/22/07
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On Aug 21, 11:34 pm, Leonardo Been <leonardo_b...@yahoo.com> wrote:


> 'Until philosophers are kings, or the kings and princes of this
> world have the spirit and power of philosophy, and political
> greatness and wisdom, meet in one,
>
> and, until those commoner natures,
>
> those who pursue either greatness only, or wisdom
> only, one to the exclusion of the other, until
> those
>
> are compelled to stand aside,
>
> until then,
>
> cities will never have rest from their evils - no, nor
> the human race, as I believe - and
>
> only then will our State have a possibility of life and behold
> the light of day.' *(0)


Sounds wise, until you realize that sheep-like
acceptance of "kings" and god-like rulers is in
itself a ghastly blunder. (Then you just wonder
how someone so "wise" could have been so daft.)

Power corrupts; absolute power (as with kings
and whatnot) corrupts absolutely. So, rather
than look for benevolent, absolute and therefore
corrupted rulers -- which is absurd -- why not
accept the reality, and deal with it?

If we want posturing, we can just read more
postings by IM Innes. Stop corrupting our
youth, fella, or we'll sanction you. Sophists... .


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