Walk of Caine (ugh stupid Google Search)
Chris Berger
can't get google groups to give me any reasonable search results (or
white-wolf's rulings page, or google web search). ("walk of caine")
returns 0 results, and (walk of caine) returns like 1000, none of
which are relevant as far as I can see. (walk of caine author:lsj)
returns 7 results, of which definitely none answer the question.
Anyway, Walk of Caine says "Choose X ready Blood Brothers you control
who belong to the same circle as this acting vampire (including this
acting vampire). Each chosen vampire must burn a blood, or this card
has no effect." The question is, does the acting vampire *have* to be
chosen? The way I read it, "(including this acting vampire)" is
reminder text, indicating the the acting vampire belongs to the same
circle as the acting vampire. Normally, text in parentheses is
reminder text, not an additional restriction on card use (usually, but
not always, I realize).
Another tangentially related question... let's say the acting vampire
*does* have to be chosen, and I'm not aware of this until *after* I
play a Force of Will bleed with my tapped vampire that only has 1
blood. Now, my Force of Will bleed is no longer going to be enough to
oust my prey, so I want to cancel the action if possible. If I play
the Walk of Caine and the acting vampire burns his last blood, and
thus can't pay for Force of Will at resolution, does he still take the
aggravated damage? The way I read it, the text "After resolution,
this vampire takes 2 unpreventable aggravated damage even if the
action is blocked" applies only if the action is successful (because
all action text applies by default only on a successful action), or if
it is blocked (due to specific card text). If the action fizzles due
to not being able to pay for it, I'm guessing the acting minion should
be safe...
LSJ
> This has to have been asked before, but no matter how hard I try, I
> can't get google groups to give me any reasonable search results (or
> white-wolf's rulings page, or google web search). ("walk of caine")
> returns 0 results, and (walk of caine) returns like 1000, none of
> which are relevant as far as I can see. (walk of caine author:lsj)
> returns 7 results, of which definitely none answer the question.
AFAIK, this question has never been asked.
> Anyway, Walk of Caine says "Choose X ready Blood Brothers you control
> who belong to the same circle as this acting vampire (including this
> acting vampire). Each chosen vampire must burn a blood, or this card
> has no effect." The question is, does the acting vampire *have* to be
> chosen?
Yes. Choose some vampires, including this acting vampire.
> The way I read it, "(including this acting vampire)" is
> reminder text, indicating the the acting vampire belongs to the same
> circle as the acting vampire. Normally, text in parentheses is
> reminder text, not an additional restriction on card use (usually, but
> not always, I realize).
'bout 50-50, I'd guess.
> Another tangentially related question... let's say the acting vampire
> *does* have to be chosen, and I'm not aware of this until *after* I
> play a Force of Will bleed with my tapped vampire that only has 1
> blood. Now, my Force of Will bleed is no longer going to be enough to
> oust my prey, so I want to cancel the action if possible. If I play
> the Walk of Caine and the acting vampire burns his last blood, and
> thus can't pay for Force of Will at resolution, does he still take the
> aggravated damage? The way I read it, the text "After resolution,
> this vampire takes 2 unpreventable aggravated damage even if the
> action is blocked" applies only if the action is successful (because
> all action text applies by default only on a successful action), or if
> it is blocked (due to specific card text). If the action fizzles due
> to not being able to pay for it, I'm guessing the acting minion should
> be safe...
"Even if blocked" cannot apply *only* if successful, since "blocked"
means "not successful".
Anyway, he takes the agg.
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/msg/208604d6ee907cd5
Chris Berger
>
> > The way I read it, the text "After resolution,
> > this vampire takes 2 unpreventable aggravated damage even if the
> > action is blocked" applies only if the action is successful (because
> > all action text applies by default only on a successful action), or if
> > it is blocked (due to specific card text). If the action fizzles due
> > to not being able to pay for it, I'm guessing the acting minion should
> > be safe...
>
> "Even if blocked" cannot apply *only* if successful, since "blocked"
> means "not successful".
>
No, but it could mean:
"only if the action is successful (because
all action text applies by default only on a successful action), or
if
it is blocked (due to specific card text)".
> Anyway, he takes the agg.http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/msg/2086...
Why is it different from Freak Drive, which can be played "only if the
action is successful" at inferior and "but also if blocked" at
superior, and cannot be played on an action that is failed in some
other way?
LSJ
> On Feb 18, 10:13 am, LSJ <vtes...@white-wolf.com> wrote:
> > > The way I read it, the text "After resolution,
> > > this vampire takes 2 unpreventable aggravated damage even if the
> > > action is blocked" applies only if the action is successful (because
> > > all action text applies by default only on a successful action), or if
> > > it is blocked (due to specific card text). If the action fizzles due
> > > to not being able to pay for it, I'm guessing the acting minion should
> > > be safe...
>
> > "Even if blocked" cannot apply *only* if successful, since "blocked"
> > means "not successful".
>
> No, but it could mean:
> "only if the action is successful (because
> all action text applies by default only on a successful action), or
> if
> it is blocked (due to specific card text)".
Granted. I misread your original statement, sorry.
> > Anyway, he takes the agg.http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/msg/2086...
>
> Why is it different from Freak Drive, which can be played "only if the
> action is successful" at inferior and "but also if blocked" at
> superior, and cannot be played on an action that is failed in some
> other way?
"Even if blocked" on an action indicates that the effect is not tied
to successful action resolution (making the described effect like the
"+1 stealth" or "Do not replace until" text on such cards).
"Even if blocked" on a modifiers indicates conditions under which the
modifier can be used.
Chris Berger
> Yes. Choose some vampires, including this acting vampire.
>
>
> > > Anyway, he takes the agg.http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/msg/2086...
>
HULK SMASH!!!
=P Oh, well. So much for my ability to determine what cards do from
card text.