(LSJ) Charming Lobby questions
floppyzedolfin
Can Sylvie Helgon burn a Charming Lobby card from my hand to gain +1
stealth or +1 intercept during an action ?
Can Charming Lobby be burned from hand to gain 1 vote during a
referendum ?
(Strangely enough, I couldn't find this one on the NG)
Thanks
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Charming Lobby
Cardtype: Action
Discipline: Presence
+1 stealth political action.
[pre] This vampire calls a referendum listed on a political action
card in your hand (play that card) or allowed by an effect in play. If
the referendum passes, then the next referendum called by any vampire
thereafter passes automatically.
[PRE] As above, and this vampire gains 2 votes in that first
referendum.
Sylvie Helgon
Cardtype: Vampire
Clan: Ahrimanes
Group: 6
Capacity: 9
Discipline: aus vic ANI PRE PRO SPI
Sabbat: Once each action, Sylvie may burn a political action card
[POLITICAL ACTION] from your hand to get +1 stealth or +1 intercept.
Sterile.
[CTM]
Charming Lobby is a political action that calls the first referendum CE
LSJ
> Can Sylvie Helgon burn a Charming Lobby card from my hand to gain +1
> stealth or +1 intercept during an action ?
No.
> Can Charming Lobby be burned from hand to gain 1 vote during a
> referendum ?
No.
> (Strangely enough, I couldn't find this one on the NG)
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/msg/3e2e7be02d157160
floppyzedolfin
> On May 11, 10:34 am, floppyzedolfin <floppyzedol...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Can Sylvie Helgon burn a Charming Lobby card from my hand to gain +1
> > stealth or +1 intercept during an action ?
>
> No.
>
> > Can Charming Lobby be burned from hand to gain 1 vote during a
> > referendum ?
>
> No.
>
> > (Strangely enough, I couldn't find this one on the NG)
>
Right. I didn't know whether that one could be trusted, since the CTM
on CL is of CE, and this ruling was from pre-CE.
Thanks !
LSJ
Then save a step by linking it.
Here's a post-CE version:
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/msg/8ad687dacdeb92a6
Blooded Sand
>
> > Can Sylvie Helgon burn a Charming Lobby card from my hand to gain +1
> > stealth or +1 intercept during an action ?
>
> No.
>
> > Can Charming Lobby be burned from hand to gain 1 vote during a
> > referendum ?
>
> No.
Charming lobby does state political action, it is a card, where does
it not meet the requirements?
LSJ
It is an action card.
See the linked articles and surrounding threads.
Blooded Sand
And political action is not an action card?
sorry, but i read the rulings and links, (only about 3 links deep i
must admit)
and this looks like a decision by fiat. Which is fine, but is not the
same as saying that it is not a political action. As the card text
quite clearly state that it is a political action. And it is a card.
So where is the disconnect?
LSJ
> On May 11, 7:45 pm, LSJ <vtes...@white-wolf.com> wrote:
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> > On May 11, 1:43 pm, Blooded Sand <sandm...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > On May 11, 4:40 pm, LSJ <vtes...@white-wolf.com> wrote:> On May 11, 10:34 am, floppyzedolfin <floppyzedol...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > Can Sylvie Helgon burn a Charming Lobby card from my hand to gain +1
> > > > > stealth or +1 intercept during an action ?
>
> > > > No.
>
> > > > > Can Charming Lobby be burned from hand to gain 1 vote during a
> > > > > referendum ?
>
> > > > No.
>
> > > some clarification, maybe?
> > > Charming lobby does state political action, it is a card, where does
> > > it not meet the requirements?
>
> > It is an action card.
>
> > See the linked articles and surrounding threads.
>
> And political action is not an action card?
It is.
And a retainer is an action card, but that doesn't make The Summoning
a retainer.
Charming Lobby is not a Political Action card.
You can tell because political action cards have the political action
card icon up near the action card icon, and Charming Lobby doesn't
have that icon.
> sorry, but i read the rulings and links, (only about 3 links deep i
> must admit)
>
> and this looks like a decision by fiat. Which is fine, but is not the
> same as saying that it is not a political action. As the card text
> quite clearly state that it is a political action. And it is a card.
> So where is the disconnect?
It is not a "political action card" although it is an "action card"
and the action it grants is a "political action".
Political Action Card : Political Action :: Retainer Card : Employ
Retainer Action
Try replacing all instances of "political action card" with
"Referendum Card" (but leave "political action" as it is in other
cases) to get the idea (parallel to "retainer card" and "employ
action")
Blooded Sand
k, makes sense. but you can see where it could be somewhat confusing,
having a card named as type political action not be a political action
card, right?
Maybe that could be made somewhat clearer?
Jozxyqk
> > It is not a "political action card" although it is an "action card"
> > and the action it grants is a "political action".
> >
> > Political Action Card : Political Action :: Retainer Card : Employ
> > Retainer Action
> k, makes sense. but you can see where it could be somewhat confusing,
> having a card named as type political action not be a political action
> card, right?
No more confusing than a "successful bleed action" being different from a
"successful bleed"...
Blooded Sand
i suppose.
but in this case they are both cards, they both state political
action....
a bleed action and a bleed are not the same, due to one being an
action, and the other not....
floppyzedolfin
Sylvie Helgon plays Charming Lobby on Reins of Power.
During the action, she burns the Reins of Power from her controller's
hand (no RoP left there), for stealth.
Action isn't blocked.
Does it fizzle?
Bureaucratic Overload was in play. Does she burn 0, 1 or 2 blood?
Can Reins of Power still be played / called in this game?
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Reins of Power
Cardtype: Political Action
Successful referendum means each Methuselah may choose a ready vampire
he or she controls. Each Methuselah gains 6 pool. Each Methuselah also
burns an amount of pool equal to the capacity of his or her predator's
chosen vampire. Only one Reins of Power can be played or called in a
game.
Charming Lobby
Cardtype: Action
Discipline: Presence
+1 stealth political action.
[pre] This vampire calls a referendum listed on a political action
card in your hand (play that card) or allowed by an effect in play. If
the referendum passes, then the next referendum called by any vampire
thereafter passes automatically.
[PRE] As above, and this vampire gains 2 votes in that first
referendum.
Sylvie Helgon
Cardtype: Vampire
Clan: Ahrimanes
Group: 6
Capacity: 9
Discipline: aus vic ANI PRE PRO SPI
Sabbat: Once each action, Sylvie may burn a political action card
[POLITICAL ACTION] from your hand to get +1 stealth or +1 intercept.
Sterile.
Bureaucratic Overload
Cardtype: Master
Unique master.
Put this card in play. Political actions cost 1 additional blood. Any
vampire can call a referendum to burn this card as a +1 stealth
political action.
LSJ
> Hi, again.
>
> Sylvie Helgon plays Charming Lobby on Reins of Power.
> During the action, she burns the Reins of Power from her controller's
> hand (no RoP left there), for stealth.
>
> Action isn't blocked.
> Does it fizzle?
Yes.
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/msg/91d8cb721e705af4
> Bureaucratic Overload was in play. Does she burn 0, 1 or 2 blood?
(2? What?)
0.
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/msg/cfa1e1cce387e53f
> Can Reins of Power still be played / called in this game?
Yes. It hasn't been played/called yet.