Questions about Action Modifiers and Combat cards
JJeff
Can a tapped vampire play an action modifier? How about the action
modifiers that require a vamp that is not the acting minion (Cloak the
Gathering, etc) and do not state that it can be played by a tapped
vampire (like Puppet King)? Makes it wierd that you can do it if
you're tapped.
What about Combat cards? Can those combat cards that require a vampire
out of combat to play be played by a tapped minion? Mostly the
Sanguinus cards, I believe.
It would seem wierd for tapped vamps to do stuff...
J
> modifiers that require a vamp that is not the acting minion (Cloak the
> Gathering, etc) and do not state that it can be played by a tapped
> vampire (like Puppet King)? Makes it wierd that you can do it if
> you're tapped.
Yes.
By default you can only play Action Modifiers when tapped (ie you tap
to declare an action - and during the process of seeing that action
through to resolution, you can play Modifiers). AM played by other
vampires will state whether they can only be played by untapped,
tapped or if they don't mention (ala Cloak the Gathering), they can be
played by any of your vamps.
> What about Combat cards? Can those combat cards that require a vampire
> out of combat to play be played by a tapped minion? Mostly the
> Sanguinus cards, I believe.
>
> It would seem wierd for tapped vamps to do stuff...
Unless it says otherwise, yes they can.
--> J
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nys...@cs.com
> Question:
IANLSJ, but I'm bored, so I'll answer your questions.
> Can a tapped vampire play an action modifier?
Yes. It would be hard to play them otherwise, since one taps when
announcing an action. Vampires in torpor can also use action
modifiers, unless the card says otherwise.
> How about the action
> modifiers that require a vamp that is not the acting minion
> (Cloak the Gathering, etc) ...
Yes.
> [...] and do not state that it can be played by a tapped
> vampire (like Puppet King)?
Oops.
> Makes it wierd that you can do it if
> you're tapped.
I suppose, but there's no rule against it.
> What about Combat cards?
Again, it would be hard to play them otherwise, especially after
blocking or playing a Bum's Rush.
> Can those combat cards that require a vampire
> out of combat to play be played by a tapped minion?
Yes, unless the card says otherwise. Some do say otherwise -- that
they require a ready untapped vampire not involved in the current
combat.
> Mostly the
> Sanguinus cards, I believe.
There is also "Inspire Greatness". You must be "ready" to play it,
but you need not be untapped.
There is also "Nosferatu Putrescence", I guess does not require any
minion at all.
> It would seem wierd for tapped vamps to do stuff...
I suppose. But if you rush a tapped minion, nobody thinks it weird if
the rushed minion plays a "dodge", or whips out a concealed weapon.
JJeff
I think I was told some long time ago on this newgroup by someone I
don't remember the opposite was true and that's how my entire area has
been playing since.
I know a vamp in the action (and the vamp being rushed) is tapped and
yet can play the cards, but a vampire outside of the action/
combat? ... just doesn't seem right...
Can I get a official answer on this one?
Sorry...
James Coupe
.com>, nys...@cs.com writes:
>Yes. It would be hard to play them otherwise, since one taps when
>announcing an action. Vampires in torpor can also use action
>modifiers, unless the card says otherwise.
Vampires in torpor can play action modifiers if they're the acting
minion. They can't, for example, play Cloak the Gathering at superior
to help an acting minion.
# Action modifiers cannot be played by a vampire in torpor
unless that vampire is the acting minion. [RTR 19970306]
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James Coupe
.com>, JJeff <Jeff...@gmail.com> writes:
>Can I get a confirmation of that?
>
>I think I was told some long time ago on this newgroup by someone I
>don't remember the opposite was true and that's how my entire area has
>been playing since.
>
>I know a vamp in the action (and the vamp being rushed) is tapped and
>yet can play the cards, but a vampire outside of the action/
>combat? ... just doesn't seem right...
>
>Can I get a official answer on this one?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/msg/d4c0b74135daa348
LSJ, replying to Izaak:
***
> I really need to know this with ECQ being tomorrow and stuff.
> Can you played Cloak the Gathering (the superior) with a tapped
> minion?
> I was under the impression you could, but I'd like some confirmation
> on this.
Yes.
***
Applies to all Cloak-like action modifiers, unless they have text
requiring the vampire to be untapped.
Janne Hägglund
> On May 14, 1:21 am, JJeff <JeffJ...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Question:
>
> IANLSJ, but I'm bored, so I'll answer your questions.
>
> > Can a tapped vampire play an action modifier?
>
> Yes. It would be hard to play them otherwise, since one taps when
> announcing an action. Vampires in torpor can also use action
> modifiers, unless the card says otherwise.
>
> > How about the action
> > modifiers that require a vamp that is not the acting minion
> > (Cloak the Gathering, etc) ...
>
> Yes.
>
> > [...] and do not state that it can be played by a tapped
> > vampire (like Puppet King)?
>
> Oops.
What's confusing and being left out is the explicit card text in the
*beginning* of Empowering the Puppet King.
First it states: "Only usable by a ready, untapped vampire other than..."
Then *later* it says the vampire can be tapped if it has superior Dominate.
By default, action modifiers can be played by tapped vampires and vampires in
torpor. That's why Empowering the Puppet King has to state: "Only usable by
a ready, untapped vampire and yadda yadda." And superior Cloak the Gathering
says "Usable by a ready vampire, yadda yadda," to prevent vampires in torpor
from playing it.
HG
LSJ
> In message <0e5f439c-0a37-42d5...@w1g2000prd.googlegroups
> ..com>, JJeff <Jeff...@gmail.com> writes:
>> Can I get a confirmation of that?
>>
>> I think I was told some long time ago on this newgroup by someone I
>> don't remember the opposite was true and that's how my entire area has
>> been playing since.
>>
>> I know a vamp in the action (and the vamp being rushed) is tapped and
>> yet can play the cards, but a vampire outside of the action/
>> combat? ... just doesn't seem right...
>>
>> Can I get a official answer on this one?
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/msg/d4c0b74135daa348
> LSJ, replying to Izaak:
> ***
>> I really need to know this with ECQ being tomorrow and stuff.
>> Can you played Cloak the Gathering (the superior) with a tapped
>> minion?
>
>> I was under the impression you could, but I'd like some confirmation
>> on this.
>
> Yes.
> ***
>
> Applies to all Cloak-like action modifiers, unless they have text
> requiring the vampire to be untapped.
>
James is correct. That rule is still the same.
jcrossn...@gmail.com
> Vampires in torpor can play action modifiers if they're the acting
> minion. They can't, for example, play Cloak the Gathering at superior
> to help an acting minion.
>
> # Action modifiers cannot be played by a vampire in torpor
> unless that vampire is the acting minion. [RTR 19970306]
Is this ruling currently in effect? To the best of my knowledge all of
the action modifiers playable by a non-acting minion now specify that
the minion must be ready, making the ruling moot. If a card were to be
released that didn't require readiness, would the ruling apply?
James Coupe
s.com>, jcrossn...@gmail.com writes:
>James wrote:
>> Vampires in torpor can play action modifiers if they're the acting
>> minion. They can't, for example, play Cloak the Gathering at superior
>> to help an acting minion.
>>
>> # Action modifiers cannot be played by a vampire in torpor
>> unless that vampire is the acting minion. [RTR 19970306]
>
>Is this ruling currently in effect?
Yes. It's on the rulings page, and has never been overturned.
> To the best of my knowledge all of
>the action modifiers playable by a non-acting minion now specify that
>the minion must be ready, making the ruling moot. If a card were to be
>released that didn't require readiness, would the ruling apply?
Yes. Of course, such a card could specify that it was playable by a
torporized vampire, if it wanted to.