Out of turn Master

wedge

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Oct 12, 2009, 1:29:51 PM10/12/09

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Is there anything in the game that allows you to play a second OotM?
With Anthelios in the game should there be a way to do so?
It is to bad Bleeding the Vine does not say pay a pool to untap. House
of Sorrow may still have a place with it anyway.

Matt

LSJ

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Oct 12, 2009, 1:38:02 PM10/12/09

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wedge wrote:
> Is there anything in the game that allows you to play a second OotM?

Taking your turn (i.e., squaring away your debt from the first one).

wedge

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Oct 12, 2009, 1:53:54 PM10/12/09

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Is it true that when another meth plays a master, you can not untap
Bleeding the Vine w/ House of Sorrow to cancel it because of timing?

XZealot

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Oct 12, 2009, 1:56:55 PM10/12/09

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So are you saying if 1st Tradition is in play and I play a OOT master
and later skip my turn, then I can not play another OOT master because
my debt from the first one hasn't been paid?

LSJ

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Oct 12, 2009, 1:59:05 PM10/12/09

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wedge wrote:
> Is it true that when another meth plays a master, you can not untap
> Bleeding the Vine w/ House of Sorrow to cancel it because of timing?

Yes.
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/msg/0e8b3bc6600e2322

wedge

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Oct 12, 2009, 2:02:30 PM10/12/09

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> Yes.http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/msg/0e8b...

If I use HoS to untap BtV, is it true that I must pay a pool because I
could not tap BtV?

LSJ

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Oct 12, 2009, 2:03:20 PM10/12/09

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The rulebook is saying that, yeah.
http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/rulebook/rulebook.html#sec1_6_2

LSJ

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Oct 12, 2009, 2:04:38 PM10/12/09

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wedge wrote:
> On Oct 12, 10:59 am, LSJ <vtes...@white-wolf.com> wrote:
>> wedge wrote:
>>> Is it true that when another meth plays a master, you can not untap
>>> Bleeding the Vine w/ House of Sorrow to cancel it because of timing?

>> Yes.http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/msg/0e8b....

>
> If I use HoS to untap BtV, is it true that I must pay a pool because I
> could not tap BtV?

Why could you not tap BtV?

wedge

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Oct 12, 2009, 2:13:01 PM10/12/09

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House of Sorrow says do not untap

Bleeding the Vine says tap or pay a pool

I thought that would be like tap to X, since it is a single sentence.

LSJ

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Oct 12, 2009, 2:19:12 PM10/12/09

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So tap BtV. You've already untapped it with HoS.

If you've tapped it in the meantime and find that it's tapped when you go to
handle its card text, then sure, you'd have to burn a pool.

frubeng

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Oct 12, 2009, 3:23:36 PM10/12/09

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Maybe reading the card might help:

Bleeding the Vine
Unique master.
Put this card into play. During your untap phase, tap this card or
burn 1 pool. You may tap this card to cancel a non-out-of-turn master
card played by another Methuselah as that card is played. That card
has no effect (no cost is paid), and that Methuselah gains another
master phase action

alf

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Oct 13, 2009, 3:17:59 AM10/13/09

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LSJ schrieb:

> If you've tapped it in the meantime and find that it's tapped when you
> go to handle its card text, then sure, you'd have to burn a pool.

I thought it was allowed to tap a tapped card.
So if BtV doesn't untap at the start of my untap, I could still tap it
and won't have to pay the pool.

Or not?

Cheers
Alf

LSJ

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Oct 13, 2009, 6:33:00 AM10/13/09

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You're also allowed to apply a "burn 1 blood" effect to an empty vampire.
And see Society of Leopold.