(LSJ) Final Loosening vs "Steal 2 blood"
floppyzedolfin
Francois Villon announces his action to steal 2 blood from vampire A
who has 2 blood.
There is no successful block. vampire B plays Final Loosening [aus].
Obviously, Villon only gains 1 blood.
Does A lose 2 blood (one would go to Villon, the other to the blood
bank) ?
Thanks
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Final Loosening
Cardtype: Reaction
Discipline: Auspex/Dementation/Fortitude
Requires an anarch.
[aus] Play when the acting vampire would gain 1 or more blood. The
acting vampire and this reacting anarch each gain 1 blood instead.
[dem] Gain 4 votes.
[for] Only usable when an ally is acting. The action fails and the
ally takes 1 damage. Tap this reacting anarch.
François Villon
Cardtype: Vampire
Clan: Toreador
Group: 2
Capacity: 10
Discipline: chi obf pot AUS CEL PRE
Camarilla Prince of Paris: François may steal up to 2 blood from a
younger vampire as a +1 stealth (D) action. +1 bleed.
Juggernaut1981
Francois would remove 2 blood from the target, gain 1, the player of
Final Loosening would gain 1. But IANLSJ...
LSJ
> Hi,
> Francois Villon announces his action to steal 2 blood from vampire A
> who has 2 blood.
> There is no successful block. vampire B plays Final Loosening [aus].
>
> Obviously, Villon only gains 1 blood.
> Does A lose 2 blood (one would go to Villon, the other to the blood
> bank) ?
François Villon steals 1 blood from vampire A (move 1 blood from A to
FV).
Vampire B gains 1 blood from the bank.
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/msg/29edab727280d3da
floppyzedolfin
> On Oct 11, 7:52 am, floppyzedolfin <floppyzedol...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> > Francois Villon announces his action to steal 2 blood from vampire A
> > who has 2 blood.
> > There is no successful block. vampire B plays Final Loosening [aus].
>
> > Obviously, Villon only gains 1 blood.
> > Does A lose 2 blood (one would go to Villon, the other to the blood
> > bank) ?
>
> François Villon steals 1 blood from vampire A (move 1 blood from A to
> FV).
> Vampire B gains 1 blood from the bank.
>
>
Thanks. I wasn't sure how exactly the "reduce" part applied to "steal"
effects. This makes things clear.
Juggernaut1981
> On Oct 11, 7:52 am, floppyzedolfin <floppyzedol...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> > Francois Villon announces his action to steal 2 blood from vampire A
> > who has 2 blood.
> > There is no successful block. vampire B plays Final Loosening [aus].
>
> > Obviously, Villon only gains 1 blood.
> > Does A lose 2 blood (one would go to Villon, the other to the blood
> > bank) ?
>
> François Villon steals 1 blood from vampire A (move 1 blood from A to
> FV).
> Vampire B gains 1 blood from the bank.
LSJ, I didn't see in that post a reference to why the target, Vamp X,
of Francois' card text would only lose 1 blood to Francois. I
understand that Francois can only gain one (Final Loosening) and that
the Anarch gains 1 (Final Loosening) but not why Vamp X would lose 1
blood instead of 2. Wouldn't Francois successfully steal 2, end up
gaining 1 (FL) and the other "washes off" since Francois can only gain
1 due to FL?
> > Final Loosening
> > Cardtype: Reaction
> > Discipline: Auspex/Dementation/Fortitude
> > Requires an anarch.
> > [aus] Play when the acting vampire would gain 1 or more blood. The
> > acting vampire and this reacting anarch each gain 1 blood instead.
> > [dem] Gain 4 votes.
> > [for] Only usable when an ally is acting. The action fails and the
> > ally takes 1 damage. Tap this reacting anarch.
>
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LSJ
> On Oct 12, 12:40 am, LSJ <vtes...@white-wolf.com> wrote:
>
> > On Oct 11, 7:52 am, floppyzedolfin <floppyzedol...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > Hi,
> > > Francois Villon announces his action to steal 2 blood from vampire A
> > > who has 2 blood.
> > > There is no successful block. vampire B plays Final Loosening [aus].
>
> > > Obviously, Villon only gains 1 blood.
> > > Does A lose 2 blood (one would go to Villon, the other to the blood
> > > bank) ?
>
> > François Villon steals 1 blood from vampire A (move 1 blood from A to
> > FV).
> > Vampire B gains 1 blood from the bank.
>
> LSJ, I didn't see in that post a reference to why the target, Vamp X,
> of Francois' card text would only lose 1 blood to Francois. I
> understand that Francois can only gain one (Final Loosening) and that
> the Anarch gains 1 (Final Loosening) but not why Vamp X would lose 1
> blood instead of 2. Wouldn't Francois successfully steal 2, end up
> gaining 1 (FL) and the other "washes off" since Francois can only gain
> 1 due to FL?
He normally would gain 2 (from vampire A).
Final Loosening reduces that to 1 (but still from vampire A).
Juggernaut1981
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As a follow-up... Can Final Loosening have any effect on Theft of
Vitae (or similar such as Kraken's Kiss, etc) where a strike would
steal blood?
YY
No, it is not a combat card, and so cannot be played during combat
(even if a non-combatant plays it)
Reference: http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/msg/8e9e86d8639c2f83
Cheers.
-YY
floppyzedolfin
> He normally would gain 2 (from vampire A).
>
> Final Loosening reduces that to 1 (but still from vampire A).
I suppose "steal" and "move" have similar behaviour regarding the
"reduce" part.
Let's consider this example to check that I got it correctly:
Vampire A plays Rave, and move 5 blood to Vampire B.
Vampire C plays Final Loosening on Vampire B.
Consequences: There is only 1 blood that moves from A to B (the other
4 counters remain on A), and C gains 1 blood from the blood bank.
Is this correct?
~~
Rave
Cardtype: Action
+1 stealth action.
Move as much blood (or life) and/or equipment from the acting minion
to any ready vampires you control.
Abdul alHazred
IANLSJ, but since Final Loosening only works when the acting minion
gains blood it´s kinda moot.
although if rave is substituted whith redistribution then the question
is if a vampire gains blood when its moved around and the amount of
blood moved declared as the action is declared.
cheers Tomas
Redistribution
Action Discipline: Sanguinus
+1 stealth action.
[san] This acting vampire gains a blood. Then move any amount of blood
and equipment among the Blood Brothers in this circle.
[SAN] As above, and untap this acting vampire.
floppyzedolfin
> On 12 Okt, 10:12, floppyzedolfin <floppyzedol...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
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> > On Oct 12, 5:37 am, LSJ <vtes...@white-wolf.com> wrote:
>
> > > He normally would gain 2 (from vampire A).
>
> > > Final Loosening reduces that to 1 (but still from vampire A).
>
> > I suppose "steal" and "move" have similar behaviour regarding the
> > "reduce" part.
>
> > Let's consider this example to check that I got it correctly:
>
> > Vampire A plays Rave, and move 5 blood to Vampire B.
> > Vampire C plays Final Loosening on Vampire B.
>
Good point... re-reading the cardtexts would help. Redistribution does
it, which is good. Thanks for correcting that :)