YAAP: 10-conduct survivor ascension
TJR
death. I was aiming for an 11-conduct pacifist survivor. Literacy was
the only allowance. However, 70 turns before ascending, 18 tiles away
from the high altar: "The door splinters! You kill the acid blob."
That wand typo was the only monsters I ever killed, and I didn't
profit in any way.
All in all, this was the fifth played attempt, and it took me 57
hours, 54061 turns, and 25,552 points of score to ascend.
Under the hood, this game is quite similar to my previous pacifist
[1]. The food conduct techniques have been integrated into the wiki. I
rerolled for rings of slow digestion and polymorph control to avoid
working through hundreds of doomed games. Farming for archon to tame
was tedious, as always.
You can review the dumplog [2] and the starting TTYREC [3].
[1] http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.roguelike.nethack/browse_thread/thread/de4dbd1dd2b206a9
[2] http://alt.org/nethack/userdata/tjr3/dumplog/1277816049.nh343.txt
TJR
enjoy eating in real life too much to go foodless in the game.
JoaoSantos
> This post is somewhere between an ascension post and an annoying
> death. I was aiming for an 11-conduct pacifist survivor. Literacy was
> the only allowance. However, 70 turns before ascending, 18 tiles away
> from the high altar: "The door splinters! You kill the acid blob."
> That wand typo was the only monsters I ever killed, and I didn't
> profit in any way.
Damn... so close...
Anyway, congrats for the achieved conducts. 10 is still hard.
solidsnail
TJR
solidsnail: Thank you! How's your extinctionist going? I'm thinking of
going for 11-conduct again, but not before the weekend.
JoaoSantos
[...]
> solidsnail: Thank you! How's your extinctionist going? I'm thinking of
> going for 11-conduct again, but not before the weekend.
It's quite advanced; appart from djinns and skeletons almost
everything is extinct or 120x-killed. However, due to real life I
haven't been able to play much.
I did have one wall-head-banging screwup. This exctinctionist has
collected all artifacts (quest items included). However, when I was
stone to fleshing some water monster I cast STF at self (actually, I
had just started loaded the game and the numpad was off) and the heart
of Ahriman is now just a meatball named Heart of Heariman. Hey, it's
still the same object, so it will go in the artifacts sack!
Good luck on your new try!
solidsnail
Patashu
Wait, you can do that to the Heart of Ahriman? It seems out of place
that you can 'destroy' one artifact but not the rest.
Janis Papanagnou
> On Aug 26, 1:23 am, JoaoSantos <joao.s.san...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I did have one wall-head-banging screwup. This exctinctionist has
>> collected all artifacts (quest items included). However, when I was
>> stone to fleshing some water monster I cast STF at self (actually, I
>> had just started loaded the game and the numpad was off) and the heart
>> of Ahriman is now just a meatball named Heart of Heariman. Hey, it's
>> still the same object, so it will go in the artifacts sack!
>
> that you can 'destroy' one artifact but not the rest.
But you *can* destroy artifacts (with the exception of the invocation
items and The Amulet).
Janis
Erwin M.
Right. If it can go into a BoH, it can be blown up (or vaporized if the
BoH is cursed). That's why the Big Four can't be put into a BoH.
Patashu
> Janis Papanagnou wrote:
> > Patashu schrieb:
> >> that you can 'destroy' one artifact but not the rest.
>
> > But you *can* destroy artifacts (with the exception of the invocation
> > items and The Amulet).
>
> Right. If it can go into a BoH, it can be blown up (or vaporized if the
> BoH is cursed). That's why the Big Four can't be put into a BoH.
Oh, I forgot you could do that. Thanks.
TJR
A cursed bag of holding is a very useful tool for farming. It helps
get rid of junk, especially projectiles and wands that can be used
against you, or stuff your pets keep dragging around. You can empty it
in zero turns by looting it and pressing escape: Just paste those
commands a few dozen times. In this game, I didn't have one, so I
carried stuff to a chest. I got some 30 pages of items.
G-Mon
news:7192911f-86af-4e9b...@h19g2000yqb.googlegroups.co
m:
> A cursed bag of holding is a very useful tool for farming. It
> helps get rid of junk, especially projectiles and wands that can
> be used against you, or stuff your pets keep dragging around. You
> can empty it in zero turns by looting it and pressing escape: Just
> paste those commands a few dozen times. In this game, I didn't
> have one, so I carried stuff to a chest. I got some 30 pages of
> items.
You can also use a junk container (e.g. one of those regular sacks,
once you have a BoH and an oilskin sack) and a means of polymorph,
assuming you're not going for polyitemless conduct. You may even get a
useful tool out of it.
hh...@thinksystem.net
deity-grantable weapons and 13 quest artifacts)? If so, please do post
when this game finishes.
I have toyed with the idea of going for all artifacts after I did a
game where I ascended with all 24 artifact weapons (I even started a
couple of attempts, but did not get too far). I am curious about the
number of wishes that were required to get them all. I know I did a
calculation once, but I can't find it. 12 other-quest artifacts that
only accessible by wishing. In a best case I think it looks like:
1st Chance/wish = 1, 1 wish
2nd Chance/wish = 1, 1 wish
3rd Chance/wish = 2/3, 3/2 wishes
4th Chance/wish = 2/4, 4/2 wishes
...
All 12, 1+1+(3+4+5+6+7+8+9+10+11+12)/2 = 39.5 wishes.
So, did you spend something like 40 wishes to get the other quest
artifacts?
--
-Harold Hill
JoaoSantos
If you want to check my discoveries at the moment the ttyrec is at:
http://alt.org/nethack/userdata/solidsnail/ttyrec/2010-08-30.15:12:48.ttyrec
I didn't get all artifacts by wishes. When I started this
extinctionist the castle wand provided a lot of quest artifacts (4 or
5) and only then decided to 'get them all'. The means to get remaining
artifacts was by playing with bones. That is, I created a chaotic
account with all the artifacts which would die on VoD, and about 4
lawfull accounts with all lawfull artifacts each. Killed the chaotic,
descended with the lawfulls until getting the bones. If I recall
correctly then I did the same with a simple barbarian because I still
lacked the infamous Heart of Ahriman. I did get a bit of help from
Kirubu, which played one or two of those auxiliary games (it gets
boring).
I got concerned when my main account (solidsnail) didn't get the bones
at the VoD (an auxiliary account I had ready did). Due to the layout
of my game I could only 'guarantee' a level bones either in the rodney
tower middle level or in the vlad tower middle level. However, the
rodney tower level contained the stairs to vlad, so my last chance
was vlad's tower, which fortunately worked.
solidsnail
On Aug 30, 4:08 pm, "hh...@thinksystem.net" <hh...@thinksystem.net>
wrote:
[...]
David Damerell
>5) and only then decided to 'get them all'. The means to get remaining
>artifacts was by playing with bones.
Or cheating, as we call it.
--
David Damerell <dame...@chiark.greenend.org.uk> Oil is for sissies
Today is Second Thursday, August.
Tomorrow will be Second Friday, August.
JoaoSantos
wrote:
> Quoting JoaoSantos <joao.s.san...@gmail.com>:
>
> >5) and only then decided to 'get them all'. The means to get remaining
> >artifacts was by playing with bones.
>
> Or cheating, as we call it.
> --
> Today is Second Thursday, August.
> Tomorrow will be Second Friday, August.
I assume by "we" you mean the entire nethack community?
I don't call it cheating, but I guess I am partial in this.
solidsnail
David Damerell
>On Sep 2, 2:10=A0pm, David Damerell <damer...@chiark.greenend.org.uk>
>>Quoting =A0JoaoSantos =A0<joao.s.san...@gmail.com>:
>>>5) and only then decided to 'get them all'. The means to get remaining
>>>artifacts was by playing with bones.
>>Or cheating, as we call it.
>I don't call it cheating, but I guess I am partial in this.
You can not call bones-stuffing cheating, but you'll have to engage in a
Humpty Dumpty exercise where a means to get any item you like leaves you
playing the same game as the rest of us.
The really laughable thing is how much time you wasted. You'd have done
better to plan to cheat from the start and had the bones stuffers gamble
on fountains until you had a decent selection. Or, better yet, start a
game in wizard mode, wish up all the artifacts, quit, and go back to
playing the game for real.
--
David Damerell <dame...@chiark.greenend.org.uk> Oil is for sissies
JoaoSantos
wrote:
> Quoting JoaoSantos <joao.s.san...@gmail.com>:
>
> >On Sep 2, 2:10=A0pm, David Damerell <damer...@chiark.greenend.org.uk>
> >>Quoting =A0JoaoSantos =A0<joao.s.san...@gmail.com>:
> >>>5) and only then decided to 'get them all'. The means to get remaining
> >>>artifacts was by playing with bones.
> >>Or cheating, as we call it.
> >I assume by "we" you mean the entire nethack community?
> >I don't call it cheating, but I guess I am partial in this.
>
> You can not call bones-stuffing cheating, but you'll have to engage in a
> Humpty Dumpty exercise where a means to get any item you like leaves you
> playing the same game as the rest of us.
I will just briefly state the reason why I think it is not cheating: I
did not need the bones or any of its content to finish the game or
achieve any measurable conduct/time-limit/turn-limit. It is just
adding flavor to a regular extinctionist game. I admit you might still
call it cheating. It is just that I felt that "we" statement was
somewhat condescending.
> The really laughable thing is how much time you wasted. You'd have done
> better to plan to cheat from the start and had the bones stuffers gamble
> on fountains until you had a decent selection. Or, better yet, start a
> game in wizard mode, wish up all the artifacts, quit, and go back to
> playing the game for real.
> --
> David Damerell <damer...@chiark.greenend.org.uk> Oil is for sissies
> Today is Second Thursday, August.
> Tomorrow will be Second Friday, August.
Laughable? Time wasted? Will you be so kind as to pinpoint exactly the
treshold of time above which playing a game is wasting time? Is
playing a regular game not wasting time?
As for playing in wizard mode, it was not possible, since I'm playing
on NAO. Which actually makes all the bones juggling more risky.
regards,
solidsnail
David Damerell
>David Damerell:
>>The really laughable thing is how much time you wasted. You'd have done
>>better to plan to cheat from the start and had the bones stuffers gamble
>>on fountains until you had a decent selection. Or, better yet, start a
>>game in wizard mode, wish up all the artifacts, quit, and go back to
>>playing the game for real.
>treshold of time above which playing a game is wasting time?
If you want to seriously say that one never refers to something that
consumes turns or clock time to no particular benefit in a game of Nethack
as "wasting time", be my guest.
>As for playing in wizard mode, it was not possible, since I'm playing
>on NAO.
Quite. You'd do better to cheat locally - much quicker.
--
David Damerell <dame...@chiark.greenend.org.uk> Oil is for sissies
Today is Second Friday, August.
Tomorrow will be Second Saturday, August - a weekend.
TJR
wrote:
> Quoting JoaoSantos <joao.s.san...@gmail.com>:
> The really laughable thing is how much time you wasted. You'd have done
I'ts amusing somebody is telling this an extinctionist.
David Damerell
>On Sep 2, 6:36=A0pm, David Damerell <damer...@chiark.greenend.org.uk>
>>Quoting =A0JoaoSantos =A0<joao.s.san...@gmail.com>:
>>The really laughable thing is how much time you wasted. You'd have done
>It's amusing somebody is telling this an extinctionist.
Why? Most extinctionists seem to go to considerable effort to execute
their goals in the minimum clock time - and no wonder, given how long it
takes otherwise.
--
David Damerell <dame...@chiark.greenend.org.uk> Oil is for sissies