This post is somewhere between an ascension post and an annoying death. I was aiming for an 11-conduct pacifist survivor. Literacy was the only allowance. However, 70 turns before ascending, 18 tiles away from the high altar: "The door splinters! You kill the acid blob." That wand typo was the only monsters I ever killed, and I didn't profit in any way.
All in all, this was the fifth played attempt, and it took me 57 hours, 54061 turns, and 25,552 points of score to ascend.
Under the hood, this game is quite similar to my previous pacifist [1]. The food conduct techniques have been integrated into the wiki. I rerolled for rings of slow digestion and polymorph control to avoid working through hundreds of doomed games. Farming for archon to tame was tedious, as always.
You can review the dumplog [2] and the starting TTYREC [3].
On Aug 24, 7:52 am, TJR <tilmina...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> This post is somewhere between an ascension post and an annoying > death. I was aiming for an 11-conduct pacifist survivor. Literacy was > the only allowance. However, 70 turns before ascending, 18 tiles away > from the high altar: "The door splinters! You kill the acid blob." > That wand typo was the only monsters I ever killed, and I didn't > profit in any way.
[...]
Damn... so close... Anyway, congrats for the achieved conducts. 10 is still hard.
On Aug 25, 4:40 pm, JoaoSantos <joao.s.san...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Aug 24, 7:52 am, TJR <tilmina...@googlemail.com> wrote:> This post is somewhere between an ascension post and an annoying > > death. I was aiming for an 11-conduct pacifist survivor. Literacy was > > the only allowance. However, 70 turns before ascending, 18 tiles away > > from the high altar: "The door splinters! You kill the acid blob." > > That wand typo was the only monsters I ever killed, and I didn't > > profit in any way.
> [...]
> Damn... so close... > Anyway, congrats for the achieved conducts. 10 is still hard.
> solidsnail
solidsnail: Thank you! How's your extinctionist going? I'm thinking of going for 11-conduct again, but not before the weekend.
On Aug 25, 3:58 pm, TJR <tilmina...@googlemail.com> wrote: [...]
> solidsnail: Thank you! How's your extinctionist going? I'm thinking of > going for 11-conduct again, but not before the weekend.
It's quite advanced; appart from djinns and skeletons almost everything is extinct or 120x-killed. However, due to real life I haven't been able to play much. I did have one wall-head-banging screwup. This exctinctionist has collected all artifacts (quest items included). However, when I was stone to fleshing some water monster I cast STF at self (actually, I had just started loaded the game and the numpad was off) and the heart of Ahriman is now just a meatball named Heart of Heariman. Hey, it's still the same object, so it will go in the artifacts sack!
> On Aug 25, 3:58 pm, TJR <tilmina...@googlemail.com> wrote: > [...]
> > solidsnail: Thank you! How's your extinctionist going? I'm thinking of > > going for 11-conduct again, but not before the weekend.
> It's quite advanced; appart from djinns and skeletons almost > everything is extinct or 120x-killed. However, due to real life I > haven't been able to play much. > I did have one wall-head-banging screwup. This exctinctionist has > collected all artifacts (quest items included). However, when I was > stone to fleshing some water monster I cast STF at self (actually, I > had just started loaded the game and the numpad was off) and the heart > of Ahriman is now just a meatball named Heart of Heariman. Hey, it's > still the same object, so it will go in the artifacts sack!
> Good luck on your new try!
> solidsnail
Wait, you can do that to the Heart of Ahriman? It seems out of place that you can 'destroy' one artifact but not the rest.
> On Aug 26, 1:23 am, JoaoSantos <joao.s.san...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I did have one wall-head-banging screwup. This exctinctionist has >> collected all artifacts (quest items included). However, when I was >> stone to fleshing some water monster I cast STF at self (actually, I >> had just started loaded the game and the numpad was off) and the heart >> of Ahriman is now just a meatball named Heart of Heariman. Hey, it's >> still the same object, so it will go in the artifacts sack!
> Wait, you can do that to the Heart of Ahriman? It seems out of place > that you can 'destroy' one artifact but not the rest.
But you *can* destroy artifacts (with the exception of the invocation items and The Amulet).
Janis Papanagnou wrote: > Patashu schrieb: >> On Aug 26, 1:23 am, JoaoSantos <joao.s.san...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> I did have one wall-head-banging screwup. This exctinctionist has >>> collected all artifacts (quest items included). However, when I was >>> stone to fleshing some water monster I cast STF at self (actually, I >>> had just started loaded the game and the numpad was off) and the heart >>> of Ahriman is now just a meatball named Heart of Heariman. Hey, it's >>> still the same object, so it will go in the artifacts sack!
>> Wait, you can do that to the Heart of Ahriman? It seems out of place >> that you can 'destroy' one artifact but not the rest.
> But you *can* destroy artifacts (with the exception of the invocation > items and The Amulet).
Right. If it can go into a BoH, it can be blown up (or vaporized if the BoH is cursed). That's why the Big Four can't be put into a BoH.
On Aug 26, 8:57 am, "Erwin M." <erwin...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Janis Papanagnou wrote: > > Patashu schrieb: > >> Wait, you can do that to the Heart of Ahriman? It seems out of place > >> that you can 'destroy' one artifact but not the rest.
> > But you *can* destroy artifacts (with the exception of the invocation > > items and The Amulet).
> Right. If it can go into a BoH, it can be blown up (or vaporized if the > BoH is cursed). That's why the Big Four can't be put into a BoH.
On 27 Aug., 12:53, Patashu <patas...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Aug 26, 8:57 am, "Erwin M." <erwin...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Janis Papanagnou wrote: > > > Patashu schrieb: > > >> Wait, you can do that to the Heart of Ahriman? It seems out of place > > >> that you can 'destroy' one artifact but not the rest.
> > > But you *can* destroy artifacts (with the exception of the invocation > > > items and The Amulet).
> > Right. If it can go into a BoH, it can be blown up (or vaporized if the > > BoH is cursed). That's why the Big Four can't be put into a BoH.
> Oh, I forgot you could do that. Thanks.
A cursed bag of holding is a very useful tool for farming. It helps get rid of junk, especially projectiles and wands that can be used against you, or stuff your pets keep dragging around. You can empty it in zero turns by looting it and pressing escape: Just paste those commands a few dozen times. In this game, I didn't have one, so I carried stuff to a chest. I got some 30 pages of items.
> A cursed bag of holding is a very useful tool for farming. It > helps get rid of junk, especially projectiles and wands that can > be used against you, or stuff your pets keep dragging around. You > can empty it in zero turns by looting it and pressing escape: Just > paste those commands a few dozen times. In this game, I didn't > have one, so I carried stuff to a chest. I got some 30 pages of > items.
You can also use a junk container (e.g. one of those regular sacks, once you have a BoH and an oilskin sack) and a means of polymorph, assuming you're not going for polyitemless conduct. You may even get a useful tool out of it.
> On Aug 25, 3:58 pm, TJR <tilmina...@googlemail.com> wrote: > [...]
> > solidsnail: Thank you! How's your extinctionist going? I'm thinking of > > going for 11-conduct again, but not before the weekend.
> It's quite advanced; appart from djinns and skeletons almost > everything is extinct or 120x-killed. However, due to real life I > haven't been able to play much. > I did have one wall-head-banging screwup. This exctinctionist has > collected all artifacts (quest items included). However, when I was > stone to fleshing some water monster I cast STF at self (actually, I > had just started loaded the game and the numpad was off) and the heart > of Ahriman is now just a meatball named Heart of Heariman. Hey, it's > still the same object, so it will go in the artifacts sack!
Am I reading that correctly, that you have gotten all 33 artifacts (20 deity-grantable weapons and 13 quest artifacts)? If so, please do post when this game finishes.
I have toyed with the idea of going for all artifacts after I did a game where I ascended with all 24 artifact weapons (I even started a couple of attempts, but did not get too far). I am curious about the number of wishes that were required to get them all. I know I did a calculation once, but I can't find it. 12 other-quest artifacts that only accessible by wishing. In a best case I think it looks like: 1st Chance/wish = 1, 1 wish 2nd Chance/wish = 1, 1 wish 3rd Chance/wish = 2/3, 3/2 wishes 4th Chance/wish = 2/4, 4/2 wishes ... All 12, 1+1+(3+4+5+6+7+8+9+10+11+12)/2 = 39.5 wishes.
So, did you spend something like 40 wishes to get the other quest artifacts?
I didn't get all artifacts by wishes. When I started this extinctionist the castle wand provided a lot of quest artifacts (4 or 5) and only then decided to 'get them all'. The means to get remaining artifacts was by playing with bones. That is, I created a chaotic account with all the artifacts which would die on VoD, and about 4 lawfull accounts with all lawfull artifacts each. Killed the chaotic, descended with the lawfulls until getting the bones. If I recall correctly then I did the same with a simple barbarian because I still lacked the infamous Heart of Ahriman. I did get a bit of help from Kirubu, which played one or two of those auxiliary games (it gets boring). I got concerned when my main account (solidsnail) didn't get the bones at the VoD (an auxiliary account I had ready did). Due to the layout of my game I could only 'guarantee' a level bones either in the rodney tower middle level or in the vlad tower middle level. However, the rodney tower level contained the stairs to vlad, so my last chance was vlad's tower, which fortunately worked.
solidsnail
On Aug 30, 4:08 pm, "hh...@thinksystem.net" <hh...@thinksystem.net> wrote: [...]
> Am I reading that correctly, that you have gotten all 33 artifacts (20 > deity-grantable weapons and 13 quest artifacts)? If so, please do post > when this game finishes.
> I have toyed with the idea of going for all artifacts after I did a > game where I ascended with all 24 artifact weapons (I even started a > couple of attempts, but did not get too far). I am curious about the > number of wishes that were required to get them all. I know I did a > calculation once, but I can't find it. 12 other-quest artifacts that > only accessible by wishing. In a best case I think it looks like: > 1st Chance/wish = 1, 1 wish > 2nd Chance/wish = 1, 1 wish > 3rd Chance/wish = 2/3, 3/2 wishes > 4th Chance/wish = 2/4, 4/2 wishes > ... > All 12, 1+1+(3+4+5+6+7+8+9+10+11+12)/2 = 39.5 wishes.
> So, did you spend something like 40 wishes to get the other quest > artifacts?
>5) and only then decided to 'get them all'. The means to get remaining >artifacts was by playing with bones.
Or cheating, as we call it. -- David Damerell <damer...@chiark.greenend.org.uk> Oil is for sissies Today is Second Thursday, August. Tomorrow will be Second Friday, August.
> >5) and only then decided to 'get them all'. The means to get remaining > >artifacts was by playing with bones.
> Or cheating, as we call it. > -- > David Damerell <damer...@chiark.greenend.org.uk> Oil is for sissies > Today is Second Thursday, August. > Tomorrow will be Second Friday, August.
I assume by "we" you mean the entire nethack community? I don't call it cheating, but I guess I am partial in this. solidsnail
>On Sep 2, 2:10=A0pm, David Damerell <damer...@chiark.greenend.org.uk> >>Quoting =A0JoaoSantos =A0<joao.s.san...@gmail.com>: >>>5) and only then decided to 'get them all'. The means to get remaining >>>artifacts was by playing with bones. >>Or cheating, as we call it. >I assume by "we" you mean the entire nethack community? >I don't call it cheating, but I guess I am partial in this.
You can not call bones-stuffing cheating, but you'll have to engage in a Humpty Dumpty exercise where a means to get any item you like leaves you playing the same game as the rest of us.
The really laughable thing is how much time you wasted. You'd have done better to plan to cheat from the start and had the bones stuffers gamble on fountains until you had a decent selection. Or, better yet, start a game in wizard mode, wish up all the artifacts, quit, and go back to playing the game for real. -- David Damerell <damer...@chiark.greenend.org.uk> Oil is for sissies Today is Second Thursday, August. Tomorrow will be Second Friday, August.
> >On Sep 2, 2:10=A0pm, David Damerell <damer...@chiark.greenend.org.uk> > >>Quoting =A0JoaoSantos =A0<joao.s.san...@gmail.com>: > >>>5) and only then decided to 'get them all'. The means to get remaining > >>>artifacts was by playing with bones. > >>Or cheating, as we call it. > >I assume by "we" you mean the entire nethack community? > >I don't call it cheating, but I guess I am partial in this.
> You can not call bones-stuffing cheating, but you'll have to engage in a > Humpty Dumpty exercise where a means to get any item you like leaves you > playing the same game as the rest of us.
I will just briefly state the reason why I think it is not cheating: I did not need the bones or any of its content to finish the game or achieve any measurable conduct/time-limit/turn-limit. It is just adding flavor to a regular extinctionist game. I admit you might still call it cheating. It is just that I felt that "we" statement was somewhat condescending.
> The really laughable thing is how much time you wasted. You'd have done > better to plan to cheat from the start and had the bones stuffers gamble > on fountains until you had a decent selection. Or, better yet, start a > game in wizard mode, wish up all the artifacts, quit, and go back to > playing the game for real. > -- > David Damerell <damer...@chiark.greenend.org.uk> Oil is for sissies > Today is Second Thursday, August. > Tomorrow will be Second Friday, August.
Laughable? Time wasted? Will you be so kind as to pinpoint exactly the treshold of time above which playing a game is wasting time? Is playing a regular game not wasting time? As for playing in wizard mode, it was not possible, since I'm playing on NAO. Which actually makes all the bones juggling more risky.
>David Damerell: >>The really laughable thing is how much time you wasted. You'd have done >>better to plan to cheat from the start and had the bones stuffers gamble >>on fountains until you had a decent selection. Or, better yet, start a >>game in wizard mode, wish up all the artifacts, quit, and go back to >>playing the game for real. >Laughable? Time wasted? Will you be so kind as to pinpoint exactly the >treshold of time above which playing a game is wasting time?
If you want to seriously say that one never refers to something that consumes turns or clock time to no particular benefit in a game of Nethack as "wasting time", be my guest.
>As for playing in wizard mode, it was not possible, since I'm playing >on NAO.
Quite. You'd do better to cheat locally - much quicker. -- David Damerell <damer...@chiark.greenend.org.uk> Oil is for sissies Today is Second Friday, August. Tomorrow will be Second Saturday, August - a weekend.
>On Sep 2, 6:36=A0pm, David Damerell <damer...@chiark.greenend.org.uk> >>Quoting =A0JoaoSantos =A0<joao.s.san...@gmail.com>: >>The really laughable thing is how much time you wasted. You'd have done >It's amusing somebody is telling this an extinctionist.
Why? Most extinctionists seem to go to considerable effort to execute their goals in the minimum clock time - and no wonder, given how long it takes otherwise. -- David Damerell <damer...@chiark.greenend.org.uk> Oil is for sissies Today is Second Friday, August. Tomorrow will be Second Saturday, August - a weekend.
