Gary gives up ** RGP Radio shuts down **
John Sharrard
Check out this announcement
http://www.rgpradionetwork.com/
Here is the text from the web site
*****************
Due to continued behind the scenes blackmail, threats and outright
terrorism to guests, supporters and sponsors, we have made the
decision to shut down RGP Radio. We wanted to start a radio network
that would allow people to speak with each other instead of typing,
but instead about 50 "bad apples" have decided to play games behind
the scenes and put at jeopardy peoples ability to do business. We
hate letting these people win, but they are so determined, hacking
web-sites, making threats and calling people at their homes late at
night, we simply have to stop. As the shows get better and more
ground breaking, the mis-fits get more angry and jealous.
Meanwhile their efforts are starting to take away from time from my
family and day business. This hobby is simply not ready for this type
of open radio. The bad apples in this hobby want control and this
radio network, blows that control away. Suddenly we not only have an
equal voice, but a stronger voice than they do.
Special thanks to The Virginia Bull, Jeff Mcafee, The King in Mathews,
Mike Pacak, Wayne Gilliard, Kevin from Classic, Sam Harvey, Greg
Milatic, all the great listeners and my wife for putting up with this
... You guys have been awesome !!!
Again we hate to see 50 "bad apples" rule hobby content, but they are
just too determined to bring our friends down in a business that has a
very tight economic climate.
We are going to be starting a new internet radio network based on
politics and the future of our country. It will be sponsored by our
Precious Metals company. Hopefully that group will be more accepting
of some open views and controversy than some in this group have been.
Again thank you to all our great listeners !!!
You guys are the BEST !!!
Enjoy the hobby ... Gary/Arizona
Cryin'InMyBeer
Not a surprise.
Especially how he blames everyone else!
Boo-hoo.
metallik
that there are still two other shows to listen to. Check out the
archive of John Trudeau on TOPCast.
BTW, fifty bad apples is quite a lot... LOL
nomad
Now if him and his croonies stop polluting here at the typing olympics
then we can finally have full closure.
nomad
Kansas Pinball
> *****************
> Due to continued behind the scenes blackmail, threats and outright
> terrorism to guests, supporters and sponsors, we have made the
> decision to shut down RGP Radio. We wanted to start a radio network
> that would allow people to speak with each other instead of typing,
> but instead about 50 "bad apples" have decided to play games behind
> the scenes and put at jeopardy peoples ability to do business. We
> hate letting these people win, but they are so determined, hacking
> web-sites, making threats and calling people at their homes late at
> night, we simply have to stop. As the shows get better and more
> ground breaking, the mis-fits get more angry and jealous.
Gary,
Thank you for listing off, for everyone to see, the things YOU have
been doing behind the scenes. I am glad to see you making progress and
i am glad to hear you are going to spend more time with your family
and your new child.
I'm sure the remaining two radio shows will pick up the slack and I
promise to put all my support into them to help keep this great idea
going.
Doug
FritzThePin
tho, if i'm not mistaken, in this past week, all 3 shows have
basically questioned calling it quits.
dont give up, just chill out on the bullshit.. See if you can do a
show without mentioning the "drama", Gary.. The Bull seems happy
enough to talk about playing pinball.. sounds good- do more of that.
I dont want to hear about typing :) i wanna hear about more about
Krull.
Both Topcast and RGPR were great on Sunday.. Fantastic interviews,
great people.. I and many others appreciate the efforts that all the
radio people are putting into it.
multiple shows a week is probably too much saturation
mike
fishcakes
>
> - Show quoted text -
Just curious to know why somebody would be against a radio show. I'm
sure I'm ignorant on the subject being new to pinball, but isn't a
talk in show or a place where peolple can share ideas and help each
other a good thing.
Kind Regards
kirb
> I'm sure the remaining two radio shows will pick up the slack and I
> promise to put all my support into them to help keep this great idea
> going.
What slack? The other two shows have been leaving the hatefest in the
dust. The guest list SHOULD now open up without fear of being attacked
the way others have.
I do give gary credit- he went a lot longer before crashing and
burning than I thought he would. Now if he only keeps his word this
time....
Kirb
Karl M
> Just curious to know why somebody would be against a radio show. I'm
> sure I'm ignorant on the subject being new to pinball, but isn't a
> talk in show or a place where peolple can share ideas and help each
> other a good thing.
>
The show isn't the problem, it's the host. Google his recent posts
and you'll understand.
I wouldn't get too excited though, he'll be back... He's addicted to
the drama. He's probably hoping a bunch of people will come to his
defense and plead with him to keep it going so he can "reluctantly"
come back.
metallik
> sure I'm ignorant on the subject being new to pinball, but isn't a
> talk in show or a place where peolple can share ideas and help each
> other a good thing.
Simple - instead of discussing pinball, a lot of his shows were
dedicated to attacking and insulting plenty of good people in the
hobby. Gary also has a long history of posting hateful insults, lies
and whatnot here to the group - he also has admitted he only comes
here to cause trouble (and he has caused plenty of it over the
years). He plays people against each other and does whatever he can
to gain attention.
It was closer to Rush Limbaugh than a pinball show.
fishcakes
Why did someone give me a poor/bad post about my question? I just
asked a question to learn about it as a newcomer.
Fred Kemper
--
Fred
TX
CARGPB#8 (AKA bad apple #36)
******************
"John Sharrard" <jsha...@bctonline.com> wrote
Kansas Pinball
Don't worry about those start. Gary likes to rate people with 1-star
if he doesn't feel someone is totally on his side etc. Post in here
with positive information, good questions etc, and you won't need
stars from us to determine if your post was received well. You will
get plenty of responses to your posts. ;)
Welcome to the group and I'm sure all of us are looking forward to
what you have to contribute.
Doug
Karl M
> Why did someone give me a poor/bad post about my question? I just
> asked a question to learn about it as a newcomer.
Don't take it personally. People here are just really tired of the
abuse and drama that has surfaced from Gary's supporters, and they
aren't sure if you're really a newcomer or one of the multiple email
identities that Gary has posted under.
If you really want to know what he's all about, read his recent posts
and ask yourself if he's the kind of person that's qualified to
represent the pin community.
frenchy
Except Rush Limbaugh is talented : )
Maybe Gary's announcement is a hoax to stir up a bunch of RGP posts...
only the Shadow (or Alec Baldwin) knows....
Del
The 1st few Shows were really good,( Darins & Chris's ) & I had the
shows tuned in at my place & my Friends & I enjoyed those 1st few
shows.
It took a turn for the worse when he started bashing the very people
who
do the most for our hobby & tried to devide our group.
In the end I had his mail reminders marked asSpam & didn't bother to
keep up, This Hobby is only as Good as the people in it & its up to us
to call a Spade a Spade & go about our business.
I have no hard feelings against Gary for trying something new that had
promess, But the results show he took this one a little to far, I hope
the fighting between friends Ends & maybe we can have out group back
now after over 3 months of Pure Hell !!
Pin-Del,
CARGPB28
frenchy
> Not knowing when to Quit was Gary's un-doings.
>
> The 1st few Shows were really good,( Darins & Chris's ) & I had the
> shows tuned in at my place & my Friends & I enjoyed those 1st few
> shows.> It took a turn for the worse when he started bashing the very people
> who> do the most for our hobby & tried to devide our group.>>
The Sam Harvey call-in (next to last show) was GREAT. It was the only
show I listened to so I didn't really hear all the negative crap, but
I know it was there reading about it. His divisiveness and spamming-
from-hell did his show in.
fishcakes
>
> - Show quoted text -
Thanks. Appreciate the insight. I've already gained so much from the
group and tried where I could to contibute on the basics. Kind
Regards.
MIKE PAYNE
Good and thank god, too bad it wasnt like a heart attack or something.
Then not only are we rid of the radio and all the stupid bullcrap, we
WOULD BE RID OF GARY!
I specially love where he blames everyone else. Gary sir you are the
king of liars...
FritzThePin
> Good and thank god, too bad it wasnt like a heart attack or something.
feel the hatred..
fight fire with fire i suppose
mike
David Schulpius
like this. I have no room in my soul for public hate towards others
and I saw plenty of this on both sides. I think this show would have
been better accepted if both sides would have shown more respect and
tolerance of peoples ideas and opinions. There was a glimmer of hope
once as both sides attempted to try this a few times but didn't last
to long. Although it's sad that a outlet like this was stamped out, it
was no surprise considering how we rip each other apart on this
newsgroup. I think both sides take responsibility for the embarrassing
behavior that ended what started out as a great idea and asset to this
hobby.
You guys can rip me all you want for what I just said but it's what I
believe in my heart and I stand by it (see, even I'm afraid to speak
my truth with a disclaimer attached to it).
This RGP newsgroup is a great place to come for help, information and
friendship. I intend to continue to be a part of it for those reasons.
I enjoy seeing people work together and help each other out. I try to
do this when I can and try to stay out of bad threads and add to the
hard feelings. However once in a while I'll stick my head in when
something really bugs me. Enough said.
Dave
On Mar 5, 11:08 am, "Fred Kemper" <pbgar...@davlin.net> wrote:
> Yay!
>
> --
> Fred
> TX
> CARGPB#8 (AKA bad apple #36)
> ******************
>
> "John Sharrard" <jsharr...@bctonline.com> wrote
phoenixarcade.com
blame everyone but himself. he cant look in the mirror and see whats
happening to himself and the negative effect he has had on others.
this is all an attention ploy. he will be back in some form or another
and spewing lots of hate among many people in here. troll posts, name
calling, fake id's, deleting posts etc... he is a sick man that needs
serious help.
David Schulpius
Wow! That's a real sick thing to say! Wishing for someones death. Do
you really want him to die? This kind of thinking and talking just
leaves my mouth hanging open.
Dave
Abby Normal
> that there are still two other shows to listen to. Check out the
> archive of John Trudeau on TOPCast.
I have to say, listened to topcast for the first time today, and I
really enjoyed it. Picked up some useful info too. Great job guys!
> BTW, fifty bad apples is quite a lot... LOL
I looked it up, there are about 42 pounds of apples in a bushel, so
yes, 50 is rather a lot!
cpiel
> Good and thank god, too bad it wasnt like a heart attack or something.
Mike sir, you are the king of hatred for making such a statement -
disgusting.
CrazyFlipperFingers
You're sick man.......that's probably worse than anything Gary ever
posted here.
kirb
> Well, it's to bad that this idea of Gary's and his hard work went down
> like this. I have no room in my soul for public hate towards others
> and I saw plenty of this on both sides. I think this show would have
> been better accepted if both sides would have shown more respect and
> tolerance of peoples ideas and opinions. There was a glimmer of hope
> once as both sides attempted to try this a few times but didn't last
> to long. Although it's sad that a outlet like this was stamped out, it
> was no surprise considering how we rip each other apart on this
> newsgroup. I think both sides take responsibility for the embarrassing
> behavior that ended what started out as a great idea and asset to this
> hobby.
>
> You guys can rip me all you want for what I just said but it's what I
> believe in my heart and I stand by it (see, even I'm afraid to speak
> my truth with a disclaimer attached to it).
>
> This RGP newsgroup is a great place to come for help, information and
> friendship. I intend to continue to be a part of it for those reasons.
> I enjoy seeing people work together and help each other out. I try to
> do this when I can and try to stay out of bad threads and add to the
> hard feelings. However once in a while I'll stick my head in when
> something really bugs me. Enough said.
>
> Dave
There is nothing wrong with using this group to share opinions, argue
a little, or just talk pinball....just like the group USED to be 2-3
years ago. Let's hope it moves back that was again soon.
Kirb
ChrisWoodruff
Kansas Pinball wrote:
>
> I'm sure the remaining two radio shows will pick up the slack and I
> promise to put all my support into them to help keep this great idea
> going.
>
What are the two other shows? I am only aware of TOPCast.
Thanks
Chris
wgir...@gmail.com
anyone have a set of NOS Cyclone plastics they want to sell?
chuck
Gary always lies. This is an attention ploy. I would bet good money
this isn't over.
I hope I'm wrong...
axe...@earthlink.net
frenchy
> Well, it's to bad that this idea of Gary's and his hard work went down
> like this. I have no room in my soul for public hate towards others
> and I saw plenty of this on both sides. >>
Putting all the arguing aside, Gary's mass-self-promotion of his
'radio' show on RGP should have been enough to doom the show. Naming
his show RGP, while at the same time making RGP a mess with his mass
spam operation. A self-defeating effort.
GoalyGuy333
This is right after my post-
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.pinball/browse_thread/thread/bc34bfda18e9e477/46638573ce1513c6?hl=en#46638573ce1513c6
How weird.
Dave Mabry
I think this post says more about its author than anyone. And I suspect
that after thinking about it he probably regrets his choice of wording.
I, for one, am sorry to see something that enhanced the hobby for me go
away. And it is especially troublesome that part of the cause of its
demise was the hacking into Jeff's web site.
There have been so many underhanded attempts to derail this "RGP Radio"
that it makes me disgusted. I really was disappointed that the attempt
to interview Pat Lawlor was submarined by one of the group's posters.
It was especially sad that when that poster admited what he had done he
was congratulated.
Like Gary or not, his radio show was interesting and apolitical at times
and controversial and personal at times. Does that sound like the news
group?
I'll still listen to the other web casts about pinball, but I am sorry
to see one of the three go.
Dave
ArcadeDude
Fred Kemper
No hope. No promise. Nothing at all in the way of "opinions" there.
Self serving crap, nothing more. No hard work in terrorizing folk,
mocking
them, namecalling, belittling, etc.. It won't be missed on any
side.
Or did you listen to any of the *shows*?
***
Of course you are welcome to speak your mind here.
There's just one of the better differences.
Fred
TX
CARGPB#8
=====================================
Abby Normal
> I, for one, am sorry to see something that enhanced the hobby for me go
> away. And it is especially troublesome that part of the cause of its
> demise was the hacking into Jeff's web site.
I hadn't heard about this, anyone know the details?
chem...@ptd.net
priviledge of "choice". I do not know who had the 1st radio show; how
did these 3 come to start all near the same time.
I believe Gary had invested his time and money...no one else's. The
interviews were interesting with the availability of listening to
people I would never get to speak with.
It is one thing to launch keyboard tirades; is is absolutely
unacceptable to delve into a persons personal/professional life
especially if it causes irrepairable harm. There is never any sense
for that.
How can there be "hard feelings" over a great hobby where we have a
common love??!?
Just MHO.
John
ldnayman
Glad they are gone, and hope others who actually have an interest in
pinball continue to run with it. It really is a good idea, though
probably best to keep it a hobby, no an all-consuming 2nd or 3rd job.
I'd like to think my lobster post is what made them realize they had
no future. May RGP Radio's spirit be dipped in drawn butter on the way
to heaven.
Of course you can't believe a thing they say, it will be back on a
sporadic basis whenever they feel like stirring up the commode.
metallik
> away. And it is especially troublesome that part of the cause of its
> demise was the hacking into Jeff's web site.
Did anyone actually prove this? It's not like gary hasn't lied in the
past... :) I sincerely doubt anyone hacked anything - it's just
another excuse of gary's.
> Like Gary or not, his radio show was interesting and apolitical at times
> and controversial and personal at times. Does that sound like the news
So you think a megalomaniac and a drunk calling someone "cody cum" and
"load olsen" over the internet is entertaining?
If you want to listen to that, I suggest heading down to the local
schoolyard and listening to the 3rd grade kids insult each other. If
you want to listen to pinball stuff, stick with TOPcast -- Clay's
repair guides have helped fix thousands of machines over the years--
or Talkpinball -- Lloyd's still doing exactly what Gary Stern needs -
operating clean games on location and doing whatever he can to grow
the player base. The only thing gary was growing was his ego and self
loathing. He knows nothing about pinball, and even the 'good' shows
weren't very good because he didn't have a clue what to ask the guests
about.
Dan Beck
Gary's vitriol certainly could be poisonous, but I do not think hacking
someone's livelihood is a justifiable protest. Such an act makes me
wonder...if such an action (hacking the website) could be considered a
criminal offense, do you suppose some individuals on this group may be
placed in the uncomfortable position of answering difficult questions, in
order to exonerate themselves? In this case, I am sure glad I can easily
say "not me".
Respectfully submitted,
Dan
"Dave Mabry" <dma...@mich.com> wrote in message
news:mOqdnQjaB5_...@giganews.com...
chuckster
Wizard of OZ". Gawee says to Vagina Bull: "Help me I'm melting".
Vagina Bull says to Gawee: "HEP can do a full restoration and bring
you back to life".
DO NOT write Gawee off yet, since this may be one of his zany, wacky
1980's radio stunts he famous for. I say: Gawee WILL be back because
he loves the abuse.
On Mar 5, 2:16 pm, cheme...@ptd.net wrote:
> Yes, 3 radio shows is a little much; however we all have the
> priviledge of "choice". I do not know who had the 1st radio show; how
> did these 3 come to start all near the same time.
>
> I believe Gary had invested his time and money...no one else's. The
> interviews were interesting with the availability of listenin
metallik
> someone's livelihood is a justifiable protest. Such an act makes me
> wonder...if such an action (hacking the website) could be considered a
Dan, it's *very* unlikely that anything was hacked. Jeff's post:
does not mention anything about hacking. The only person saying the
site got hacked is gary, and we all know he's a proven liar. Jeff's
site is hosted on a professional webhosting service - I can't imagine
it'd be hacked by some pinball fan upset with gary's stupid show. The
hacking nonsense is just gary desperate for sympathy - don't fall for
it.
cpiel
If the hacker(s) can be identified, I would certainly press charges
and publicize their name(s) here for all to see. Plenty of scum
rising to the surface these day.
Expat
deafdumb&blindboy
> If the hacker(s) can be identified, I would certainly press charges
> and publicize their name(s) here for all to see. Plenty of scum
> rising to the surface these day.
Spoken from one who really knows scum on a personal basis. If you
believe anything that Gawee says, as Cliff obviously does, then your
own credibility is questionable, to say the least. What the demise of
Gawee's crap has to do with any so-called hacking is irrelevant, it is
more Gawee BS. I'm just happy to see him shut up and maybe go away for
a while, it would be the best thing by far for rgp. What this place
needs now is a little peace and refocusing on pinball instead of
Gawee. He's a tumor that needs excising.
J.
Expat
C'mon Cliff now it's time to put away the Tin Foil Hat,I ain't even
gonna rub it in ;)...though you were making some pretty outlandish
posts about RGP Radio conquering the world just a few days ago.Me
personally,I sensed the the panic in gawee's posting the last few
days,I'm not surprised he packed it in.He wasn't doing it for the love
of the hobby,that's why he folded like a "two dollar whore" ;)
Dan Beck
If indeed Gary is lying (and I acknowledge that very real possibility) how
come Jeff has not come out and said so? In my mind it would calculate to be
a positive move for credibility on Jeff's part; I don't think Jeff relies
solely on Gary's business. A lie is a lie, and this one would be a grand
whopper, inexcusable by any standard. If, on the other hand, Jeff's site
was hacked, well I think we can agree on the ramifications of that...
I listened to both the John Trudeau segment on TOPcast and the Kevin Wayte
segment on RGP Radio. Both made for great background information as I was
performing computer chores and such this morning in the office. As much as
you do not wish to give Gary any credit he does has some pinball knowledge
(I did not say profound amounts, aand I believe he would admit to the same),
he does have interview skills, comparable to the TOPcast interviewer.
Regards,
Dan
mnpinball
listen to my passion of pinball. The thing I did not like with Gary
was the one-sidedness and antagonising nature of Gary.
Gary seems to be an instigator: Definition of Instigator.
in·sti·gate /ˈɪnstɪˌgeɪt/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled
Pronunciation[in-sti-geyt] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–verb (used with object), -gat·ed, -gat·ing. 1. to cause by
incitement; foment: to instigate a quarrel.
2. to urge, provoke, or incite to some action or course: to instigate
the people to revolt.
If he would have kept a good unbiased nature of program and not
favoured sides it would have worked, it just isn't in him.
Jason.
http://usergallery.myhomegameroom.com/gallery/mnpinball
http://www.myspace.com/minnesotapinball
http://www.myspace.com/sternpinball
Abby Normal
wrote:
> Gary's vitriol certainly could be poisonous, but I do not think hacking
> someone's livelihood is a justifiable protest. Such an act makes me
> wonder...if such an action (hacking the website) could be considered a
> criminal offense, do you suppose some individuals on this group may be
> placed in the uncomfortable position of answering difficult questions, in
> order to exonerate themselves? In this case, I am sure glad I can easily
> say "not me".
Let's think about that for a second, very few people around here have
the skills required to do such a thing, and of the ones that do, don't
care enough to bother. At least the ones I know of.
I really doubt there was a hack at all, and if there was I doubt it
was related to anything here.
TheKorn
news:1173125125....@p10g2000cwp.googlegroups.com:
> C'mon Cliff now it's time to put away the Tin Foil Hat,I ain't even
> gonna rub it in ;)...though you were making some pretty outlandish
> posts about RGP Radio conquering the world just a few days ago.Me
> personally,I sensed the the panic in gawee's posting the last few
> days,I'm not surprised he packed it in.He wasn't doing it for the love
> of the hobby,that's why he folded like a "two dollar whore" ;)
WAIT!! I've SEEN a two dollar whore fold, fast, on yuutube! :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9pcoRSp9RU
--
Have a home video that's trapped on your camera? Want to share it on the
web or on DVD?
kirb
wrote:
> Larry, I sincerely hope you are correct, but some lingering doubts remain...
> If indeed Gary is lying (and I acknowledge that very real possibility) how
> come Jeff has not come out and said so? In my mind it would calculate to be
> a positive move for credibility on Jeff's part; I don't think Jeff relies
> solely on Gary's business. A lie is a lie, and this one would be a grand
> whopper, inexcusable by any standard. If, on the other hand, Jeff's site
> was hacked, well I think we can agree on the ramifications of that...
>
> I listened to both the John Trudeau segment on TOPcast and the Kevin Wayte
> segment on RGP Radio. Both made for great background information as I was
> performing computer chores and such this morning in the office. As much as
> you do not wish to give Gary any credit he does has some pinball knowledge
> (I did not say profound amounts, aand I believe he would admit to the same),
> he does have interview skills, comparable to the TOPcast interviewer.
>
> Regards,
> Dan
Clay's last few shows have been fantastic in the interview department.
He is no radio pro, but does know enough about pinball to ask the
questions that most wouldn't think of.
I'm happy with the direction Clay's show is going. Llyod's is only
going to get better as well.
I can pretty much count on both shows staying pinball related without
even a question.
Kirb
David Schulpius
Yes, I heard some of the stuff that was being said. After it turned
south I tuned out. As I said above I agree that the show went down the
wrong path by lashing out at people and businesses. It reminded me of
National Enquirer by the way the show was trying to dig up crap on
people and show it to the world. Not good and nothing I approve of but
you have to agree that this stuff sells. For some reason people love a
train wreck. It would have been great if the show would have stayed
away from the sensationalism and stuck with what is good in pinball.
As far as hard work; Yes I have to stick with my statement. Good, bad
or ugly, it has to be a lot of work to set do all this.
Peace, Dave
On Mar 5, 1:04 pm, "Fred Kemper" <pbgar...@davlin.net> wrote:
> Right. Only problem is that you were never in the crosshairs...
>
> No hope. No promise. Nothing at all in the way of "opinions" there.
>
> Self serving crap, nothing more. No hard work in terrorizing folk,
> mocking
> them, namecalling, belittling, etc.. It won't be missed on any
> side.
>
> Or did you listen to any of the *shows*?
>
> ***
>
> Of course you are welcome to speak your mind here.
>
> There's just one of the better differences.
>
> Fred
> TX
> CARGPB#8
> =====================================
>
metallik
> If indeed Gary is lying (and I acknowledge that very real possibility) how
> come Jeff has not come out and said so?
That's a real good question.. Jeff, any comment?
> solely on Gary's business. A lie is a lie, and this one would be a grand
> whopper, inexcusable by any standard. If, on the other hand, Jeff's site
Eh, all gary's lies are about the same. He throws around terms such
as 'hacking' without having a clue as to what is actually involved.
Jeff's site is hosted on a commercial hosting company, one that likely
hosts hundreds, if not thousands of other sites. They will obviously
know how to secure their servers, and there are undoubtedly plenty of
other sites on those servers that are more tempting hacker targets
than a pinball-parts store. The chances of some pissed-off RGPer
having the skills to exploit a commercial webhost AND the desire to do
so over something as dumb as a radio show is extremely remote. Also,
what exactly was "hacked"? Generally, hackers will deface a site,
replacing the normal page with some kind of 'you got owned' message.
Was any such message ever on Jeff's site? Heck, how do we know Jeff
didn't give gary access to the page to upload archives of the show,
and gary deliberately "hacked" the site using that password? Social
hacking tends to be easier than technical sometimes.. :)
metallik
> train wreck. It would have been great if the show would have stayed
> away from the sensationalism and stuck with what is good in pinball.
Nothing to worry about, there are two other shows that do just that.
Give 'em a listen :)
chuckster
bad because I really wanted to hear what HEL (high end lobsters) had
to say. ;)
cpiel
Thanks.
> ...though you were making some pretty outlandish posts about RGP Radio conquering the world just a few days ago.
Really? The stats Gary reported were quite high and I just though it
would have been good for Jeff to post them to end the debate.
>Me personally,I sensed the the panic in gawee's posting the last few
> days,I'm not surprised he packed it in.He wasn't doing it for the love
> of the hobby,that's why he folded like a "two dollar whore" ;)
Frankly, Darin's post pretty much did it for me. I'd given Gary the
support to prove he could bring something positive to the table, which
he did on numerous shows including some of Jeff's IMO. What I cannot
stomach is hearing how he made various promises to Darin and broke
them without a second thought. I can't associate with someone I can't
trust. Having said that, it was still a slime move if there really
was a hacker involved in all this.
ArcadeDude
hmmmm
Dave Mabry
metallik wrote:
>>I, for one, am sorry to see something that enhanced the hobby for me go
>>away. And it is especially troublesome that part of the cause of its
>>demise was the hacking into Jeff's web site.
>
>
> Did anyone actually prove this? It's not like gary hasn't lied in the
> past... :) I sincerely doubt anyone hacked anything - it's just
> another excuse of gary's.
Well, let me say one thing about that. I've seen similar things from
"someone" in this ng. There was a time, some of you will remember, that
I recorded a TV show on the History Channel. It was called "The History
of Pinball" and it was a cute 1/2 hour show. It was not offered for
sale on the History Channel and many people here had not seen it. And
it was not scheduled for another airing. I put it on a Bit Torrent
tracker for anyone to share. There were many here who didn't want to
bother to learn to use bittorrent. Jeff offered to host that show on
his web site so it would be a simple download. It was about 2.5GB and
Jeff paid extra out of his pocket so that he could give back to the
hobby. It was downloaded about 700 times (as I recall) and cost Jeff
quite a bit, more than he expected. But he was willing to do it to give
back to his customers.
Well, for some reason, someone in the ng decided that they would call
the History Channel and tattle that Jeff was hosting their copyrighted
material. How ironic! The History Channel contacted Jeff's ISP and his
web site was taken down for that infringement. Hosting a 30 minute show
for those in this hobby who wanted to see it... This is the same group
that jumps all over Gene or Wayne when they try to enforce copyrights
they own the rights to.
So, I don't doubt it a bit. There are those in this group who will go
to great lengths when they don't like someone. And "hacking" a web
site, whatever the details are, is exactly the kind of thing I would
expect. So I am puzzled by anyone's incredulity about this.
Milt
> Today is a good day !
>
> Check out this announcement
>
> http://www.rgpradionetwork.com/
>
>
> Here is the text from the web site
>
>
> *****************
> Due to continued behind the scenes blackmail, threats and outright
> terrorism to guests, supporters and sponsors, we have made the
> decision to shut down RGP Radio. We wanted to start a radio network
> that would allow people to speak with each other instead of typing,
> but instead about 50 "bad apples" have decided to play games behind
> the scenes and put at jeopardy peoples ability to do business. We
> hate letting these people win, but they are so determined, hacking
> web-sites, making threats and calling people at their homes late at
> night, we simply have to stop. As the shows get better and more
> ground breaking, the mis-fits get more angry and jealous.
>
This doesn't surprise me, especially the fact he has to blame others for
his problems and make it seem like he was doing something wonderful and
great and the mean and evil people caused him to stop.
At any rate, so long and good riddance to his sorry excuse for a pinball
show. Leave it to the people that actually know about pinball machines.
cpiel
> On Mar 5, 11:52 am, "cpiel" <c...@verizon.net> wrote:
> > If the hacker(s) can be identified, I would certainly press charges
>
> > and publicize their name(s) here for all to see. Plenty of scum
> > rising to the surface these day.
>
> Spoken from one who really knows scum on a personal basis.
You care to elaborate on that John?
> If you
> believe anything that Gawee says, as Cliff obviously does, then your
> own credibility is questionable, to say the least.
I've never believed "everything that Gary says" (google), but I did/do
support the idea of a radio program for pinball.
> What the demise of
> Gawee's crap has to do with any so-called hacking is irrelevant, it is
> more Gawee BS.
Maybe your right, but Jeff hasn't confirmed one way or the other.
kirb
> Well, for some reason, someone in the ng decided that they would call
> the History Channel and tattle that Jeff was hosting their copyrighted
> material.
Was THIS ever proven to be a RGP person?
Kirb
Dave Mabry
kirb wrote:
Do you honestly doubt it?
Milt
It could have been anyone, to be perfectly honest.
Dave Mabry
Milt wrote:
Of course it could have been anyone. But it was only discussed here and
there was quite a discussion about the HC copyright, so it was
predictable. I'm amazed that anyone would think it was someone _not_
from the ng. Oh well. Guess I'm wrong.
PV
"John Sharrard" <jsha...@bctonline.com> wrote in message
news:76iou2950ntfcfb5b...@4ax.com...
> Today is a good day !
>
Yes it is, today we played pinball in my house!
PV
Ken
I doubt it for two reasons.
Reason 1. Even tho some people don't like Jeff at Classic Arcades
(google for this. I don't know details nor do I care, it's just what
I've read - a lot of folks like him as well), I don't think someone
from here would go out of his or her way to 'tattle' on Jeff for his
video posting. Despite what people think about Jeff, no one sabotages
something good for the hobby.
Don't start on the 'Gary was good for the hobby' argument thing,
either. People sabotaging Pat Lawlor (as you indicated in one of your
earlier posts) was out of respect to Pat. In short, people wanted to
protect Pat more than anyone wanted to hurt Gary. I thought of
contacting Pat myself for a few minutes, but didn't have to in the
end. Hurting Gary isn't worth the effort. Protecting a pinball
designer that we respect (I said respect, not love or hate, but
respect) is. So warning PL about Gary, was, I think, good for the
hobby.
Reason 2. Large corporations have watchdog groups (and laywers) who
police (among other realms) the internet in search of copywrite
infringement. Even if someone wanted to directly hurt Jeff, it would
only be a matter of time before it was found out. See YouTube vs.
Viacom for the latest soap opera.
If you think this isn't true, then I'll relay a little story. I have
friends who run craft shows. Disney would send people to local craft
shows to make sure no one is using Mickey, etc on any crafts. When
they were first starting out, they did not know about this fact and
had a client get busted by Disney. They (the crafters and the craft
show opperators) recieved legal threats and the crafter was forced to
destroy all Disney related material or pay (I think it was children't
furniture with characters on them). Anyway, long story short, no
lawsuits were filed and no money was settled out, but the formal
warnings were in place and to this day, their forms state that no
copywrited or licensed crafts may be produced and sold without written
consent. I think Disney is more concerned with getting the artwork
correct and to set standards through their licensing than the actual
profit, but the two go hand in hand. You can't get licensing unless
you are willing to pay and are able to produce quality product
So you see, any time you re-air even part of a show (unless you alter
it enough to fall under the paroidy clause - a grey area subject to
the courts), you need permission. Jeff of all people should have
known this. The internet has made the world too small and people,
corporations, etc need to protect their assets and properties.
It doesn't mean we all have to like it, but it is what it is.
I doubt very much that it was an RGP member who tipped off The History
Channel, but if it was, you'd better include Gary in your list of
people to accuse. That guy burns more bridges than anyone I've ever
seen. Just read Darren's post.
-Ken
miracleman
> WAIT!! I've SEEN a two dollar whore fold, fast, on yuutube! :)
>
Wow.
That's a pretty cold/racist joke, dude.
A link that has aboslutely nothing to do with this thread aside from
saying asian women are whores?
Apology needed or respect gone.
Andy
"Abby Normal" <MissAbb...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1173126072.6...@s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com...
...and how the hell do you know that Abby? There are *plenty* of people
here who know how to hack servers. Hell, I'd venture to guess 10-20% of the
people here are IN computers, including myself.
I think hacking someone's website who runs a business is deplorable no
matter who the target is or what you think about them.
Andy
Rondogg
>
> http://www.rgpradionetwork.com/
>
> Here is the text from the web site
>
> *****************
> Due to continued behind the scenes blackmail, threats and outright
> terrorism to guests, supporters and sponsors, we have made the
> decision to shut down RGP Radio. We wanted to start a radio network
> that would allow people to speak with each other instead of typing,
> but instead about 50 "bad apples" have decided to play games behind
> the scenes and put at jeopardy peoples ability to do business. We
> hate letting these people win, but they are so determined, hacking
> web-sites, making threats and calling people at their homes late at
> night, we simply have to stop. As the shows get better and more
> ground breaking, the mis-fits get more angry and jealous.
>
> family and day business. This hobby is simply not ready for this type
> of open radio. The bad apples in this hobby want control and this
> radio network, blows that control away. Suddenly we not only have an
> equal voice, but a stronger voice than they do.
>
> Special thanks to The Virginia Bull, Jeff Mcafee, The King in Mathews,
> Mike Pacak, Wayne Gilliard, Kevin from Classic, Sam Harvey, Greg
> Milatic, all the great listeners and my wife for putting up with this
> ... You guys have been awesome !!!
>
> Again we hate to see 50 "bad apples" rule hobby content, but they are
> just too determined to bring our friends down in a business that has a
> very tight economic climate.
>
> We are going to be starting a new internet radio network based on
> politics and the future of our country. It will be sponsored by our
> Precious Metals company. Hopefully that group will be more accepting
> of some open views and controversy than some in this group have been.
>
> Again thank you to all our great listeners !!!
>
> You guys are the BEST !!!
>
> Enjoy the hobby ... Gary/Arizona
Hell yeah! Now if he would only start collecting speedboats or
something else.
Ron
Abby Normal
> ...and how the hell do you know that Abby? There are *plenty* of people
> here who know how to hack servers. Hell, I'd venture to guess 10-20% of the
> people here are IN computers, including myself.
Well,mostly because I haven't seen any proof of hacking, and Gary is a
known liar.
Sure, there are some with the skills, myself included. But I really
doubt anyone would bother. Gary was clearly going to take himself down
without any outside help.
> I think hacking someone's website who runs a business is deplorable no
> matter who the target is or what you think about them.
I didn't say it was ok to hack someones site, I said I didn't believe
it had happened.
TheKorn
news:1173135501.3...@n33g2000cwc.googlegroups.com:
I'll spot you that it wasn't in the greatest of taste, and sorry you were
offended.
Josh A.
> I think Disney is more concerned with getting the artwork
> correct and to set standards through their licensing
> than the actual profit, but the two go hand in hand.
Chicken and egg.
Disney lawyer: Principal Skinner, "The Happiest Place on Earth" is a
registered Disneyland copyright.
Principal Skinner: Come now, gentlemen, it's just a small school
carnival.
Lawyer: And it's heading for a great big lawsuit. You made a big
mistake, Skinner!
Principal Skinner: Well, so did you. You got an ex-Green Beret mad.
[he finger-thrusts the first Disney goon in the adam's apple, then
kicks the lawyer in the chest; they both go down groaning; as the
second goon runs away, Skinner picks up the lawyer's briefcase and
flings it into the air; in the distance, it knocks down the goon]
Principal Skinner: Copyright expired.
Andy
"Dave Mabry" <dma...@mich.com> wrote in message
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Very well said Dave.
Andy
"Ken" <jetsu...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:1173135514.3...@t69g2000cwt.googlegroups.com...
> Reason 1. Even tho some people don't like Jeff at Classic Arcades
> (google for this. I don't know details nor do I care, it's just what
> I've read - a lot of folks like him as well), I don't think someone
> from here would go out of his or her way to 'tattle' on Jeff for his
> video posting. Despite what people think about Jeff, no one sabotages
> something good for the hobby.
WHAT!?!?!?!!?!? Of course they do, happens DAILY HERE.
Abby Normal
> WHAT!?!?!?!!?!? Of course they do, happens DAILY HERE.
There are a few people who do, but over all most people are above that
sort of thing. Gary has proven he is not. He wasn't sabotaged by
anyone other than himself.
miracleman
> I'll spot you that it wasn't in the greatest of taste, and sorry you were
> offended.
Accepted.
Moving on...
(please keep an eye on me for any similar fox poos)
Nwojedi
did before. So doesn't make a difference if he's off playing radio or
not. My life will not be effected in the slightest.
indy-gus
>
> - Show quoted text -
It was probably Gaweee.
indy gus
indy-gus
> > something good for the hobby.
>
> WHAT!?!?!?!!?!? Of course they do, happens DAILY HERE.
You are saying gary was good for the hobby??????????
You're justed pissed 'cause your buddy is gone (but not for long)
indy-gus
Ken
> "Ken" <jetsurg...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
Well, OK. Gary and Jeff R. do. My bad.
But I still don't think someone from RGP would alert The History
Channel directly. That's like killing the golden goose. It's far too
easy to google search to see if your properties are being infringed
upon.
-Ken
K
First of all, let me say that I haven't been reading RGP much at all
in the past few years, but not for any particular reason. However,
back in the 90's, I read it a lot (mostly a lurker) and always found
it interesting and useful. Recently I heard about RGP radio and
downloaded three shows. I listened to them while I was out walking/
exercising and really enjoyed them. One was with the guy who created
Tilt: The Battle to Save Pinball. (I had already preordered a copy
before hearing this one, but still found it very interesting.) The
other two were call-in shows. I have to say I didn't find anything
controversial/objectionable about any of those three shows. There
were some technical difficulities that were annoying, but I assumed
they would be corrected as time went by. I didn't have any
preconceived notions about the shows or the host and still don't. As
someone who was "just a listener", I thought the show had a lot to
offer. I didn't always agree with the host's opinions (that's natural
for a radio show), but I liked the show. I was totally surprised when
I went to download some more broadcasts today and found that the show
had been canceled. I had only listened to three broadcasts, but it's
hard to imagine what went so horribly wrong. Anyway, from an unbiased
third-party position, I'm sorry the show has ended. I have now come
here and found that other people felt differently about the show and
the host than I did. At this point, I still don't see what the big
deal was.
Oh well, here's one burning question/observation I have...
I've been playing pins since the 70's, owned a handful of them, and
attended a number of shows in the past. With that in mind, I have
encountered NOTHING but wonderful people in the pinball hobby!
Seriously, I can't think of a better group of people I'd like to hang
out with. It seems really strange to me that there can be so much
nastiness in this newsgroup, yet everyone I've encountered face-to-
face in the real pinball world has been incredibly nice. I'm not sure
why there's such a dichotomy (especially more recently on RGP from the
little bit I have observed).
Anyone else find the same, different, or other?
kirb
So, because YOU can't imagine anyone else doing it must make your
statement true. This is just as bad as Gary spouting lies and half-
truths.
So, when GTB alerts IPDB to stop posting GTB rom codes it MUST be RGP
who alerted them. Same goes for Wayne and the C&D letters.
RGP is to blame for everything. Nice.
kirb
metallik
> to great lengths when they don't like someone. And "hacking" a web
> site, whatever the details are, is exactly the kind of thing I would
> expect. So I am puzzled by anyone's incredulity about this.
The incredulity is not based on intent, it's based on the action being
discussed. Reporting something to the Discovery Channel merely takes
a telephone and time. Hacking a website, especially one hosted by a
commercial service company with trained IT security experts, is beyond
the skills of just about everyone on RGP.
metallik
> support the idea of a radio program for pinball.
You should support Clay, Korn, Lloyd and Jesse then... they put on
good shows.
80's GUY!
> On Mar 5, 12:38 pm, "David Schulpius" <dschulp...@wi.rr.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Well, it's to bad that this idea of Gary's and his hard work went down
> > like this. I have no room in my soul for public hate towards others
> > and I saw plenty of this on both sides. I think this show would have
> > been better accepted if both sides would have shown more respect and
> > tolerance of peoples ideas and opinions. There was a glimmer of hope
> > once as both sides attempted to try this a few times but didn't last
> > to long. Although it's sad that a outlet like this was stamped out, it
> > was no surprise considering how we rip each other apart on this
> > newsgroup. I think both sides take responsibility for the embarrassing
> > behavior that ended what started out as a great idea and asset to this
> > hobby.
>
> > You guys can rip me all you want for what I just said but it's what I
> > believe in my heart and I stand by it (see, even I'm afraid to speak
> > my truth with a disclaimer attached to it).
>
> > This RGP newsgroup is a great place to come for help, information and
> > friendship. I intend to continue to be a part of it for those reasons.
> > I enjoy seeing people work together and help each other out. I try to
> > do this when I can and try to stay out of bad threads and add to the
> > hard feelings. However once in a while I'll stick my head in when
> > something really bugs me. Enough said.
>
> > Dave
>
> There is nothing wrong with using this group to share opinions, argue
> a little, or just talk pinball....just like the group USED to be 2-3
> years ago. Let's hope it moves back that was again soon.
>
> Kirb- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Back then, I think the guy trying to trade Mattress sets for pins was
the most troll thing going! Ah......RGP is almost like a great
friend who has been away and now has come back home!
Pin Geek
"80's GUY!" <bma...@sc.rr.com> wrote in message
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Do not underestimate the power of the dark side, admiral.
And.......whatever. What I'm trying to say is, this won't last. Somebody's
gonna go off on somebody else.
--
Josh
http://www.pingeek.com
home of the $1 coin op and collectibles auctions.
Always NO RESERVE!
Get your pinball show dvds here:
http://www.thepinballshow.com
>
Pinball Magic
www.marvin3m.com/topcast
"K" <lint...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Abby Normal
> Hacking a website, especially one hosted by a
> commercial service company with trained IT security experts, is beyond
> the skills of just about everyone on RGP.
I can think of a few who have the skill, but not the interest.
As one of my mentors once said "Before you act, ask yourself, 'Is this
guy really worth a felony?'." And lets be honest here, Gary is not.
Besides, website hacking is so childish.
TheKorn
news:o4WdncOEyupjbHHY...@comcast.com:
> Do not underestimate the power of the dark side, admiral.
> And.......whatever. What I'm trying to say is, this won't last.
> Somebody's gonna go off on somebody else.
Speaking of which, what kind of a hat are you going to wear to expo this
year? :D
--
Have a home video that's trapped on your camera? Want to share it on the
web or on DVD?
Metahugh
Hugh
FritzThePin
> deal was.
>
> Anyone else find the same, different, or other?
cant agree more. I'm relatively new to the forum, have gotten lots of
help so far.. but i have no comparison to what it was before i got
here (the "good old days" apparently) Apparently there was no drama,
and everyone loved each other :)
that being said, i've read more hateful shit from people typing on
these boards that dont like Garys show, going to the extent of
wishing a Heart Attack for the host. All joking aside, that was
uncalled for. For every bad thing Gary may or may not have done, the
board made up for it with some of the most hateful talk i've read.
Talk about perpetuating the very thing they say they dont like. Every
post into a gary radio thread puts it right back at the top, and helps
advertise more. "waa, go away gary i hate your show, so much i havent
even listened to it"
For the people that dont like him, tell you what.. keep on typing
about him.. that'll make him go away. "RGP Radio shuts down" right at
the same time that they get a 24 hour feed going.. :) theres some
timing coincedence.
I support all the shows, its a lot of effort for these guys, and i
think ALL the hosts are doing a great job.. 3 very different
flavors.. pick what you like. remember, its radio, not your life.
mike
chuck
> this isn't over.
>
> I hope I'm wrong...- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Ok, so he's done with rgpradio... since he announces that he turns it
on 24 hours a day AND cares enough to dispute his listener numbers.
Also, he eludes to emails coming in from fans. My prediction: (gary
speaking) due to the incredible support we received (bullshit) we
(proving he has MPD) have decided to carry on rgpradio (rgppodcast).
Any body want to bet me?
axe...@earthlink.net
years insulting/alienating/gossiping/backstabbing people on this
group. Not just posting here, but over the phone, emailing, and in
person. When he started his radio show, most of the group wished him
well and begged him to keep it about pinball and not use it as another
platform for trolling.
Well, he decided to use it as another platform for trolling.
I understand why you might not understand why there's such heavy
backlash toward him. Well--- people spent months and years politely
trying to get him to post and act like a decent human being, and it
never got anywhere. The angry post-backs did not happen overnight. It
took literally YEARS for it to come to that. So you are coming in at
the end of a long process, and I agree it seems rough and ridiculous.
I killfiled him instantly when I got back into reading RGP last fall.
Ignoring him works well. More recently, though, he started attacking
people that I personally know here in Minneapolis, guys who always go
out of their way to help people in this hobby, guys you would love to
hang out and play pin with all day. This is extremely offensive to me
and anyone else who knows the people he's attacking. It is way over
the line of decency. It's ridiculous! There can no longer be any
honest argument that he is anything but an idiot troll.
In some cases, his show was an outlet to hear people from the pinball
community speak (if you could stand Gary as a host, which I couldn't.)
In other cases, including the Feb 14 show, which was so negative that
it was only hosted for download for about 5 minutes, the show was
outrageously mean-spirited and intentionally divisive.
Gary is reaping what he has sowed. The heart attack comment was also
out of line, but frankly, for every one heart attack comment, Gary has
made about 100 vile posts about good people in here.
Chris
FritzThePin
very similar stories when i emailed people regarding related
subjects..
I showed up onto the scene at a funny time (month or so before rgpr):
being able to hear people tell the stories of things i had only read
little blips about on the web was fantastic(Tilt dvd guy, Darren,
Wayne).
that being said.
I just got a Victory and am tearing it apart, to hear John Trudeau
talking about game design while i was working on his machine was
priceless. Thanks for that show Topcast. Only wish i could have
called in on time. Get him on again! :)
mike
K
> You can still get your fill of pinball "radio" atwww.talkpinball.comandwww.marvin3m.com/topcast
>
>
Excellent! Thanks for the tip, I'll check it out!
Dr. Smith
it has a built in safety feature and anyone who tries to snag it...
gets snagged himself.
http://jerryhager.com/odds/henry_blake.jpg
...It would also be more stylish than the last hat.
-Doc
5voltsr...@gmail.com
> > Just curious to know why somebody would be against a radio show. I'm
> > sure I'm ignorant on the subject being new to pinball, but isn't a
> > talk in show or a place where peolple can share ideas and help each
> > other a good thing.
>
> Simple - instead of discussing pinball, a lot of his shows were
> dedicated to attacking and insulting plenty of good people in the
> hobby. Gary also has a long history of posting hateful insults, lies
> and whatnot here to the group - he also has admitted he only comes
> here to cause trouble (and he has caused plenty of it over the
> years).
He plays people against each other and does whatever he can
> to gain attention.
Kind of like in Needfull Things--Max Von Sydow as Leeland Gault (the
devil).
>
> It was closer to Rush Limbaugh than a pinball show.
Pin Geek
--
Josh
http://www.pingeek.com
home of the $1 coin op and collectibles auctions.
Always NO RESERVE!
Get your pinball show dvds here:
http://www.thepinballshow.com
<5voltsr...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Fuey
either! ;)
Mike
>
> Hell yeah! Now if he would only start collecting speedboats or
> something else.
>
> Ron
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